veteran-class

[safe kestrel]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking

[unreal forge]

He hates me specifically

[unreal nova]

I mean, uses meta yet complains about it.

[safe kestrel]

I know it’s not all streamers/influencers, but golly I end up hating a lot of them

[unreal nova]

It's OP unless I'm using it.

[tropic notch]

I watched reg some he’s seems cool

[civic apex]

that would then indicate the player is bad

exceptionally bad

[unreal nova]

I know.

[marble bridge]

i think that’s the joke

[past stratus]

he is a bit blunt at times but overall his takes are pretty reasonable. He is also a spreadsheet/math guy, so most of the time the information he gives is useful

[unreal nova]

The jokes are Mr E.

God knows why his builds are so high up.

[marble bridge]

tanner if he was spreadsheet autism (dps testing) not spreadsheet autism (hoi4)

[tropic notch]

I hate gameslantern builds

[past stratus]

I've watched some of tanner's content before I joined this discord, didn't know about any drama. So I found his videos pretty ok, but apparently he is not a good guy

[unreal nova]

They are funni to look at, though. You can't lie.

[ember nest]

tanner is myspace as a person and like that's either gonna be passable or horrible depending on who u ask

[marble bridge]

he intentionally let in incredibly bigoted people and let them spam slurs at me until it got “too disruptive” (literally unable to read chat) and then banned them

fyre can vouch he was also there i think

[hearty panther]

god these mortis trials are snoozy

i just want my shiny dangle thingy

[unreal nova]

Basically aurics only unless you chasing the "speedrun".

[marble bridge]

i wish mortis was matchmake although i should really use the party finder at some point

[tropic notch]

The only time I was active in that sever was to shitpost I never kept up with the drama

[unreal nova]

It is?

[civic apex]

im banned from there

[tropic notch]

People said I was pregnant and trans lol

[hearty panther]

im not sure lower diff is much faster than higher diff since most of the wait even at aurics is for the shit to actually reach you to die and waiting for sefoni to stop having her warpgasms between waves

[marble bridge]

WHAT i’m so stupid

[unreal nova]

Mortis trials is the thing Sefoni gives us.

[ember nest]

she really do be moaning

[marble bridge]

good for you tbh

[unreal nova]

Congrats. i didn't know. When?

[unreal nova]

Is just easier to kill to go for the penance.

[marble bridge]

the issue was that i was set to private for some reason (when you do this on the main table it just matchmakes anyways when you’re solo)

[past stratus]

I see, well from what I know he is not doing darktide content anymore so I guess we're safe here

[unreal nova]

That's if you hit quickplay.

Quickplay is now always public.

[safe kestrel]

Tanner is nerd. He did make an omg the arbites are so broken video but all they did was speed run and evade on havoc

[narrow frost]

0 hp gaming

[ember nest]

?

wrong youtuber

[safe kestrel]

I don’t even search these people up. I look up a couple Darktide videos and YouTube sloporithms force it on me

[ember nest]

that's like

reginald who did that

[safe kestrel]

Tanner lindberg?

Was it?

Oop

[ember nest]

yes

[barren girder]

tanner quit before arbites came out ye

[safe kestrel]

Good for everyone

[ember nest]

tanner hasn't done a diarktide video in like

3 months

[tropic notch]

I’m not

[safe kestrel]

Not a fan of the Reginald guy either then. The complaint is valid but that’s not the way to show it I think

[barren girder]

congratulations fyre!!

[tropic notch]

I’m pregnant

[barren girder]

he made a better vid afterward that was less reactionary and actually well thought out

[unreal nova]

Is okay, we are all accepting. Do tell us when the kid arrives.

[tropic notch]

Yaaaaa

[safe kestrel]

But did you get tested? You don’t really know if you didn’t

[barren girder]

fyre's immaculate conception 🙏

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon where’s my child support

[unreal forge]

True balance is achievable and Reginald has a sheet to prove it

[safe kestrel]

Telling on yourself now

[unreal nova]

He's the dad? OMG.

[safe kestrel]

It’s all out there now

[ember nest]

stun his growth

force them to psyker

[safe kestrel]

Forced taxe play ofc

[unreal forge]

My child will play Arbitrator and enjoy the game

[civic apex]

that would accelerate it

[tropic notch]

He’s gonna be melee psyker

Tac axe melee psyker

[ember nest]

nah nah med

I know what you did...

[safe kestrel]

Edited! Autocorrect has a sick mind

[hearty panther]

I would never allow my child to be a degenerate gamer

[safe kestrel]

I told yall

[tropic notch]

I’d play oggy If he had a tac axe

But he doesn’t

[unreal forge]

isn't it the cleaver?!

[tropic notch]

So i don’t play him

[safe kestrel]

Baby gonna be cone shaped so he can get between the trash mobs and spam lights

[past stratus]

I do not like the taxe, this is my mandatory daily taxe hate post.

[tropic notch]

DIEEEEEE

[civic apex]

perfect for the dunce hat

[tropic notch]

TRIPLE BURSTER BARRAGE

[unreal nova]

Nuh uh, no harsh actions. Bad for the baby.

[safe kestrel]

Pox burster son or trapper daughter?

[safe kestrel]

I’m gonna be sick

[unreal forge]

Tac Axe: I have a brainless M1 spam moveset
Bully Club: I have a brainless M1 spam moveset

[tropic notch]

You spam pa and heavy with tac axe

[narrow frost]

taxe isnt m1 spam

[safe kestrel]

I never use it but you get the joke

[unreal forge]

ok so it's the same combo set as Dueling Sword

[narrow frost]

no

[unreal forge]

so I can still make the joke

is too

[tropic notch]

Narp

Ur all wrong!!!!!

[unreal forge]

light spam for hordes heavy spam for heavies... heh... so brainless

[tropic notch]

It’s heavy light or pa heavy!!!!

[unreal forge]

you are only an intellectual if you use the Crusher

[tropic notch]

[civic apex]

crusher and relic blade my beloved

[tropic notch]

Chat how to we convert them

[safe kestrel]

Idk but you’re brave for taxe on psyker I could never

[civic apex]

taxe means more empathic evasion tbh

[unreal forge]

FGS is another brainless weapon
Light spam hordes, heavy spam for single-targets

No skill expression in this game

[civic apex]

well, you do have the ability

its more than bully club

so im happy with it

bully club does have that dh tech

bully club is light for everything

[little path]

was the mk2 or mk10 laspistol meta

[marble bridge]

is that why i suck

[little path]

mk2 shoots faster lower damage
mk10 higher damage

[marble bridge]

i’ve been m1 spamming it

[dry cloak]

The meta one is mk2 but realistically use the one that feels better

Mk10 for me

[little path]

I also hate using the mk2

but I also use the full auto mod which makes it less shitty

[dry cloak]

I like mk10 for weapon spec

Allows for 1 shot hs on scab gunners

[tropic notch]

2

[dry cloak]

Spaaaace try mk10 but it handles like a big pistol and not a 9mm like mk2

[little path]

Is mortis trials or regular missions better for farming mats and dockets

Inquisitorial funbucks

[dry cloak]

Reg missions

[hearty panther]

Regs

[dry cloak]

Best for farming mats is doing a hogher havoc

To get few k of both plasteel and diam

[warm schooner]

Mk10 is good in high havoc

Easily top boss damage using scabs' build, oftentimes as much as the rest of the team put together

[safe kestrel]

Power sword dump stat?

[ember nest]

I think it's unironically cleave iirc

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets

[dry cloak]

Its cleave

[hollow ibex]

don't dump cleave damage

gotta dump the right cleave stat lol

[safe kestrel]

It feels so strange that’s the case but I’ll follow that ty

Cleave targets?

[silk cypress]

Is there a way to get the armor set that you see in the cutscene when you log in?

[past stratus]

I hate myself so I dump mobility

the voices in my head tell me that if more damage then I don't need extra movement

[midnight wyvern]

yes

hope this helps!!

[silk cypress]

It did, vaguely.

Hope I’m using that word right

[unreal nova]

I think they meant atm.

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-dissolve-gif-25749443

[tropic notch]

Anyone have paths guide to the combat axe

[drifting bobcat]

no clue

[gaunt hare]

spam push attack on hordes

[fleet cloud]

is there a way around that long ass animation for the spearhead boltgun? i REALLY wanna use it, but that animation is insanely long

[gaunt hare]

ex stance on mortis trials

fr tho yea the animation is too long

[civic apex]

Are you using anim cancels for it?

[fleet cloud]

I DONT KNWO WHAT AR HOW THAT IS

sorry, cpas was on

[civic apex]

There are points where you can sprint to skip excess animation

For example, sprint as soon as the bullet count reads 15

Visually, when you bull that notch back on the left or when you put the new mag in

You can also bring reload nodes if you prefer

However I acknowledge that you might not have spare talent points

[unreal nova]

I mean, if you go right for O4B, that's basically it.

[past stratus]

make sure to take One Motion, helps with slow guns

[fleet cloud]

im actually runign arbites. and i REALLY want to like teh spearhead. bleed AND brittle talents? on a gun that does decent dmg? thats nuts

figured some beterans may have a solution

y'all been using it longer

[civic apex]

There is a reload node on arb above execution order

But anim cancels should help

[fleet cloud]

my build is pretty node tight. rocking 65-94% dmg resist depending on wether using stance/have toughness

[civic apex]

Then reload canceling will be important

[fleet cloud]

ill have to learn. because im fine with one or 2 heavy armored targets. but i need a firearm answer to crusher/mauler swarms

i CAN kill them. it just takes time

[civic apex]

Try it out in the psykanium, see which parts of the animation you can skip

[fleet cloud]

i really need to go through all the other weapons blessings oo

because i been using the shotpistol and shield, but i find myself not using the shield part of it much

so if i can find an alternative to "make shit in that direction" dissapear, then it may fit my build bbetter

[grand perch]

depending on your ranged to deal with crusher hordes is not a great habit. theres a few ranged that are good at it, but you really wanna be able to handle them melee

with rashad, get the mod that spawns creatures in psykhanium and try to deal with more and more crushers at the same time. it may help to spread your overheads around a little, since crushers get stagger immunity for a little bit but the first heavy attack on their head always staggers them. so you can stagger a few of them in a row

[past stratus]

Hardest thing to learn in dt, how to melee scary bad guys

[little path]

is any of thr chaxes good

[fleet cloud]

i understand that

i really do

but that concept doesnt work with the build im making

im able to kill anything pretty reliably, but when i get 10-20 elites, i need something to down them faster

i CAN do it with my melee, it just takes longer than i want to allow. longer theyre alive, more chances they can hurt my team mates

[grand perch]

Oh we're talking arbiters? Thought this was a vet thing

[fleet cloud]

ye

spearhead is about the only option arby has, so i was asking vets how to get around the dog watrer animations

[civic apex]

you've been given pretty much all of the information that has to do with actually speeding it up

[fleet cloud]

i know

thats why i stopeed asking

i was respondign to the guy telling me to melee

[steep flower]

I would not recommend that node; its basically worse version of volley adept for vet; use the reload aura & if you’re crazy 10% reload speed on weapon perk. Animation cancels are only at the very end of the reload when you get ammo in the mag really

[steep flower]

Mk IV

[steep flower]

Good vs shooters; you can peak safely & counter them

[civic apex]

they wanted more reload speed

im not gonna optimize their whole build

i'll let them have fun with it

[steep flower]

Nah i use bolt pistol, fan revolver - they are good too in their own regard (especially bolt pistol - the dmg bonuses you get give you new breakpoints in havoc where i could 1 shot certain specials i could not on other classes)

[steep flower]

He do be right tho; arbys melee is very good

[fleet cloud]

so ill explain in detail, just in case i worded poorly. my arby build is FINE against 1-3 crusher. hell, i can fight 50, and not worry about dying. and i could kill them all with my melee reliably. i settled opn the bolt gun as a method of "fuck, there is 20 elites in one cluster, time to mag dump" as a means of getting rid of them as fast as i can with reliability, so that my team doesnt go down from a stray crusher, or mauler cleave.

but the animation on boltgun is ass. so i came here to see how yall dealt with it. got my answer, and now im using it happily

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[steep flower]

Use crusher/arby shockmaul you will be sending them flying and staggering crushers ez (with a correct build ofc)

[sudden cedar]

Extra Points for doing it near a ledge to send them back into the pit where they belong

[fleet cloud]

i run a heavy tank/supp for my group. everyone in the game loves runnign "muh dmg" builds.

so i like making my pubs the best little dmg dealers they can be

[steep flower]

I did not spec for dmg myself that much; just enough with crusher and i have CC & dmg (cause skullcrusher & concussive talent are balanced)

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/boW89.gif

[fleet cloud]

i end up doing this in every game. ill alway run come combo of tank/support/healer to make my team the best they can be. even a braindead pubby can be decent with a good support

love bringing new people into the game. always tell them "just stick near me and dotn wonder to the opposite side of the map for no reason, youll figure it out"

[gentle lake]

dump stats on recon lasgun and boltgun?

[fleet cloud]

ill always say mobility, but then again im a masochist

[gentle lake]

Make it low or high?

[fleet cloud]

i run low mobility

even on my zealot

[sudden cedar]

Low Mobility

[fleet cloud]

makes little difference

[gentle lake]

Oh so make it as low as possible so the other stats go up?

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

80/80/80/80/60

[fleet cloud]

great rule of thumb for all weapons. mobility or defense is good dumps. (defense is mobility for shield and block weapon)

[gentle lake]

So I should aim for like 0% mobility or like...10%?

[fleet cloud]

you cant get 0

[gentle lake]

It's just somehing ive always been confused on

whats the lowest

[fleet cloud]

60 is the lowest max you can get

hang on, ill grab a ss

the left number can be increased with money and resource investment

the right number is the max it can go to

heres my current boltgun

even though it says i got 24% mobility, i can get it to 60 after i entreat it

so the right number is the one you wanna focus on

[gentle lake]

On mobility is the right number I should focus on

Lowest Ive got is 60 dawg

no

I mean 69

[fleet cloud]

lol

noice

[gentle lake]

[fleet cloud]

you dont have to reroll it in brunt if you dont want to. just keep an eye on his rando weapons

ive gotten a crazy amount of god roll stat weapons by just keepign a loose eye in his stock

[gentle lake]

me after being 200k indebt:

[fleet cloud]

even if i dont intend on using a gun, ill grab a godroll if i dont have one of that weapon type

never know when a patch or update will make that weapon great

happens all the time. like the revolver

[gentle lake]

Did I win

[fleet cloud]

revolver used to be meh, one update made it a great weapon

[sudden cedar]

You got that unlucky?

[fleet cloud]

there ya go

[gentle lake]

Gambling really does pay off...

[fleet cloud]

thats your boltgun

"hey kids, let me tell you about the joys of gambeling"

[gentle lake]

Moral of the story.

[fleet cloud]

so for me SPECIFICALLY i use this combo. carapace is the lowest dmg value in its array, so increasing it helps. Elites are all the heavy armored guys (crusher, mauler, ect), shattering impact removes 40% armor, and puncture adds crazy bleed. can kill any ogryn sized enemy in 4 body shots

[civic apex]

wait until you get into purg staffs

thats real gambling

or curios

purg is peak gambling though

[fleet cloud]

FUCK I GOTTA GO CHECK MY CURIO ROLLS

thanks for reminding me

[gentle lake]

I am money..

I ran outta diamantine

[torn skiff]

hi money

[gentle lake]

Society.

[steep flower]

Instead of elite dmg i run unyielding dmg; better vs bulwarks, reapers & especially bosses

[sudden cedar]

If you are running Purgatus, stay away from Kinetic Flayer

[fleet cloud]

theres no shame in that

[sudden cedar]

Some would pick it for the memes and laughs, but it will eventually fuck you over. Or your team.

[fleet cloud]

carapace+unyielding 25% combo is a GREAT way to cover most pain in the ass enemies

[steep flower]

Can confirm on my own skin…

[sudden cedar]

Same. On the receiving end.

[gentle lake]

Whats kinetic flayer

a talent?

[gentle lake]

Check the garbage

[fleet cloud]

with the boltgun specifically, the 10% elite with the 25% carapace pushes itr JUUST past a breakpoint of 4 shot body kills as opposed to 5-6

[sudden cedar]

Kinetic Flayer is a talent choice for Venting Shriek that will automatically use Brain Burst on i think 10 Seconds cooldown. The target is random.

Which means, it can hit the Poxburster right in front of you.

Exspecially if nothing else is around.

[steep flower]

Augment for brain burst; 10% chance to brainburst elite, special or boss upon dealing dmg if you are below critical peril

[fleet cloud]

kinetic flayer is an insane ability. doesnt matter what dmg source, theres a chance that you can brain burst

makes it evil with flame staff

[steep flower]

I like that skin

[gentle lake]

What blessing should I grab for boltgun

I got surgerical

[steep flower]

On anything else it is nice to have; on purgatus its bad for that sole reason

[gentle lake]

Hm yeah

[fleet cloud]

brittle rids 40% armor, bleed is nasty

its just a great F@#$ you combo

[steep flower]

Its alright but everyone runs combinations of shattering & puncture or pinning fire or cavalcade

[gentle lake]

Need a good vetty build

I'm usin a tactical axe

[steep flower]

There are a couple

[fleet cloud]

good luck. vet is in a bad place rn. you can absolutely do lvl 40 havoc with vet, but that will be because your good with vet

[steep flower]

And builds cannot just be copied; they need to be explained for you to perform well

[fleet cloud]

im a shit heel that plays invisi-vet

[gentle lake]

I want a whopper...

[sonic wedge]

No wonder why I felt like vet is not the same as it used to be before

[fleet cloud]

vet and zealot need reworks BAD

[sonic wedge]

I can barely survive auric missions (not maelstrom) even with proper curios

and I run auric maelstrom a lot

[fleet cloud]

ogryn and arby feel really good. like can have multiple viable builds comfortably good

psyker can be nearly brain dead

lots of people on reddit are calling for teh nerfing of these 3, i say buff the 2 that are lacking

then again, your not making any major changes to society if you live on reddit anyway, so i dont take their opinion too deep

[sonic wedge]

I dont understand the concept of nerfing the classes though since having good classes with GREAT gear and viability options with their talent tree means pain is more manageable

[fleet cloud]

head over to any warframe forum/discord and ack about nerfing trinity. its a meme at this point

[sonic wedge]

HAHAHAHA

Nerf Trinity but at the same time continuous to use trinity because its OP

next level tomfoolery

[fleet cloud]

"trinity got nerfed....its tuesday already?"

[sonic wedge]

hahaha

after I felt that Vetaran was off during the recent uupdates I switched to a different class while trying to experiment with new viable options for veteran

still feels a bit weak though no matter what I do

[compact oracle]

vet didnt really get weaker, game got harder

at least, not recently

[unreal bone]

Why do I fucking play havoc lol

[fleet cloud]

only need to play 1 time aweek for the chest

[grand perch]

Amazing chest ahead

[fleet cloud]

rando auric

died 2 times

BOTH times, plague ogryn spawned AND THREW MY ASS OFF THE MAP

game knows the only way to kill me now is to toss my happy ass into the endless void

[unreal bone]

Another havoc derank

I fucking hate heinous rituals bro

Literally every time I get it it's a garaunteed derank because it wigs out and fucks me

[stoic thorn]

Rejects when a bot named gaster joins their game and they end up back in the prison ship

[tall torrent]

Vet has not changed much from before

[pseudo fiber]

Once again can we not do both

[narrow widget]

it's the arbites brainrot bro
can't go back to playing normally anymore my fingers like start twitching and want to play the most unsafe positions

[autumn ferry]

i keep getting the most braindead arbitrators ever i stg man 😭

mfs have a free elite picker button and dont use it

[sonic wedge]

hahahah that may be true for me as well but in this case its zealot playstyle

I get used to just dash to elites and specials to deal a lot of crit damage and when I instinctively do it with veteran I instead shout which catches me offguard lmao

[past stratus]

I like swapping between Vet and Psyker because of that, similar playstyles and similar concerns

[sonic wedge]

I may do that so I can be conditioned again

[formal hamlet]

I've almost done all my Veteran penances. I just gotta hit X enemies with smoke, X enemies with krak, and kill X enemies with 10 stacks of marksman's focus.

[olive halo]

so why do so many people recommend power sword when it seems to take like, 4 hits to kill the basic dudes with guns?

[autumn ferry]

its at its best when youre spamming the special attack with the one blessing that gives you more swings with it

[olive halo]

im not even on damnation or havoc, just malice (as a level 12 veteran)

ah thats why

[past stratus]

with proper stats, blessings and perks the PSword cleaves through enemies easily

but yeah it is a wet noodle without the activation

[tame lodge]

Powered = lawnmower heretic killer 3000GT
Unpowered = pool noodle

[olive halo]

Fr

I assumed power cycle was a talent and didn't look at the blessings whatsoever

Went from 6 hits to kill to 2 💀

[formal hamlet]

You can kill a crusher with 3 hits to the face on highest difficulty iirc.

[past stratus]

I really wish they made the unpowered at least good at killing pox walkers

[formal hamlet]

Same, this whole thing of powered weapons having bad stats when not powered makes them feel rather clunky.

[past stratus]

not even moebian armored guy, just regular pox walkers

I don't mind it being shit against flak unpowered

[formal hamlet]

I sorta preferred the way Space Marine 2 did it, where each mode was for different enemies rather than constantly powering it on like I've got a faulty sword.

[narrow widget]

zealots on their way to complain again

[past stratus]

about what? the relic? The relic is a real weapon unpowered

[formal hamlet]

Feel like I got my power sword on power saving mode in Darktide.

Yeah the relic sword feels less clunky, and both marks feel quite good for different things too.

[narrow widget]

stupid fragging sword won't turn on

[formal hamlet]

I wish we had the same mechanic from relic sword on power sword.

[dry niche]

Crazy that relic sword has block frames when turning on

[tall torrent]

2 in damnation
3 in havoc40 scaling

[past stratus]

idk, I like activation on the power sword. It fits it thematically, it makes it different from other power weapons. I just wish I didn't have to activate it for every single swing

[formal hamlet]

My man I've been sitting here trying to get your guide to work properly for 15 minutes. Considered pinging you but didn't want to bother you over it.

[tropic notch]

Path can I see your combat axe page on your steam guide?

[narrow widget]

I just imagine the vet like
constantly revving the power sword like a lawnmower that won't start

[carmine zealot]

They should get rid of power cycler and just make it 3 powered swings base.

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

No I’m eating dinner

[narrow widget]

is that melon soda

[tall torrent]

Yes

[grand perch]

No he's drinking green

[past stratus]

that looks good

[narrow widget]

I'd kill for some melon soda

[tropic notch]

He’s sloping out!

[carmine zealot]

Looks like Pepper Lunch.

[formal hamlet]

I just woke up and my breakfast is an energy drink and a peach flavoured disposable vape.

[grand perch]

Beats corpse starch

[formal hamlet]

Has anyone managed to get the links in the Hammer of the Emperor guide to actually work?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Open it as pdf file

Web page is ass

Blame Microsoft

[grand perch]

Here's my lunch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1392100587117482105/Screenshot_20250708-1156402.png?ex=68763733&is=6874e5b3&hm=2df9cb367d18f7ab4b6c122ce0632195dc04934ef9def44afcc841929066950b&

[formal hamlet]

I've just done that as my latest attempt. It's definitely an improvement, but are these not meant to link to the relevant guides as well?

[tame lodge]

Green specialist here

That's an ok green

[grand perch]

Green is my thing as well

That's a good green

[steep flower]

Man this looks soo good; bet it was tasty!

[steep flower]

I make food at home but i would not take a picture of it; its sloppy & messy but very good in taste

[narrow widget]

corpse starch stocks soaring

[tall torrent]

Click on them

The hyperlinks should still work

Except the zealot one

That one never got finished

[narrow widget]

enter the zealot one and it's just the build™

no other text just a talent tree

[formal hamlet]

Ah, yeah, I tested on the Zealot one so I missed that, they do indeed work. 👍

[tall torrent]

Well, I did put “work in progress” for it

[formal hamlet]

I was trying to use this guide to find recommended blessings, perks and such for weapons.

You do seem to recommend perks and blessings, do you also recommend the "best" marks for each weapon?

I'm not seeing it but just in case I'm blind, wanted to ask.

I'm always asking "which perks, blessings, mark for X weapon" so trying to check the guide to minimise those sorts of questions in this channel.

[tall torrent]

Usually, no

I try to be more objective

Also that link’s guide is outdated by several months

The steam ver I’m working on will change a lot of things in comparison

[formal hamlet]

You told me last time you were in the process of moving the guide to Steam, I tried looking it up on Steam to find the more recent variant but nothing came up in my search. I figure it's not public yet.

[tall torrent]

It’s still usable just not the best thing it can be

[tall torrent]

Yea, still a lot of work left

I’ll try to finish all veteran related parts by the end of this month

And hit publish

And I’ll add other stuff over time

[formal hamlet]

I mean in the meantime this PDF guide is plenty for me, reading it at the moment because I wanted to know what are the "must have" or super good perks I want to be creeping towards when making my own builds.

[steep flower]

I personally can’t wait what Path cooked in his cauldron

[past stratus]

the hammer one for vet is pretty good, it usually answers all my questions very thankful for it

[formal hamlet]

If the steam guide is more of this, but better, looking forward to that.

[steep flower]

Hammer?

[formal hamlet]

Hammer of the Emperor, the guide we're talking about basically.

[steep flower]

Link?

[formal hamlet]

Should be top message in pins.

[past stratus]

in the pins ye

[formal hamlet]

Okay so new and improve tactical axe is still spam left click, right?

Been levelling mastery on this thing and I think I agree with people about it kinda being boring to use.

It does its job well at least.

[past stratus]

I already did my daily taxe hate post 😔

[formal hamlet]

Also, any tricks for making boltgun draw speed less clunky besides using executioner's stance? I hear it's a very good gun for any class that has access to it, like a meta option, but swapping to it in a fight feels like it takes 20 years. I learned from the Hammer guide last night I can do an animation cancel with Helbore to make it draw faster, anything like that on boltgun?

Oh, yeah I can do the same thing on boltgun apparently, sweet.

[narrow widget]

double it and give it to the next person

[queen sky]

On Overwatch is proving to be an entirely miserable task. Will it still count if I drop into a mission via Quickplay?

[narrow widget]

yea

[formal hamlet]

I did it last night and it was surprisingly easy!

[queen sky]

thanks

[grand perch]

Cringe

[formal hamlet]

I used to dread that penance early days of Darktide.

[queen sky]

any tips to avoid packs of poxwalkers dropping from the ceiling, or is it just keep rolling Quickplay and hope you drop in right as everyone's heading for the valk?

[narrow widget]

play shout and frontline

[formal hamlet]

Get yourself a solid melee you're comfy with, and just spam shout from start to finish of mission on the lowest diff it lets you do it on.

I did it first run and I'd even taken corruption damage and such so I thought it was a fail, but got it at mission end.

[queen sky]

how does shout prevent being hit, other than occasional knockback?

[narrow widget]

it only matters if you've taken health damage

shout gives golden toughness

[formal hamlet]

I think the yellow toughness absorbs melee hit and doesn't count as you being properly hit.

[queen sky]

oh christ lmfao i've been leaving games because i keep taking melee toughness damage

stupid fucking penance descriptions

thanks

[formal hamlet]

Haha yeah, luckily it's not that strict.

The one where I gotta use up all my ammo and 90% accuracy took me 2-3 runs to get because I forgot I left survivalist on, game kept giving me more ammo.

[sonic wedge]

cheese it and let your squad 3 man the entire mission hahaha

[formal hamlet]

Honestly that might make it harder lol.

[sonic wedge]

hahahaha cheer them on for additional touughness

[sonic wedge]

wait so getting more ammo disqualifies it?

[queen sky]

you have to end the mission with a completely empty weapon

not just use 100% worth of ammo

[formal hamlet]

No idea, but I was worried it might, and I didn't get the penance at the time so I thought it might be part of the problem.

[past stratus]

someone said that you can throw yourself from a pit, die and just let the rest of the group finish it

something like that

[sonic wedge]

yes thats how you do it hahaha

[formal hamlet]

I heard someone say they cheesed it by using up almost all their ammo and then alt F4ing but didn't wanna do that.

[sonic wedge]

I had 92% accuracy and empty weapon ammo but still didnt get the penance

During that run I was picking up ammo

[tame lodge]

Play the same map 100 times and memorize spawn points

[past stratus]

the ammo one just go into the game with a shotgun, shoot your two shots on the first fella you see. Swap to your melee and never swap back again

[formal hamlet]

Which gun did you try it with? I was recommended double barrel, but I did it with plasma using ADS shots to consume more ammo lol.

[past stratus]

should be fairly easy in lower diff

[formal hamlet]

Okay shotgun sounds way easier indeed.

[sonic wedge]

I used bolt pistol so Im encouraged to be accurate

[formal hamlet]

I've mostly been letting penances happen on their own since day 1 so kinda chuffed I'm almost done with all Vet penances now.

[sonic wedge]

I think I had survivalist but I still made sure to use that one ammo on a non elite/special before extracting

[narrow widget]

or just play archivum sycorax

[formal hamlet]

Only took me like, how long's the game been out now? Over a year?

[narrow widget]

[sonic wedge]

3 years

[formal hamlet]

It's been 3 years already? Christ.

[sonic wedge]

I only started like 4 months ago

[past stratus]

I swear a lot of new players do this unintentionally. They just hold W and charge forward spamming M1 with their melee weapon

[queen sky]

i thought you have to have an empty ammo reserve too?

[formal hamlet]

3 years and we only just got a new class added to the game.

[sonic wedge]

I mean they were also working on vermintide 2 and other warhammer games they released

[past stratus]

idk but that is just as easily done too

[formal hamlet]

What else have they done besides Vermintide 2?

I hear they're done with Vermintide now, been playing that recently too, but I really really miss the clear audio warnings when you're about to get melee hit. Apparently they exist, but they're so much more subtle compared to Darktide's audio cues imo.

[sonic wedge]

they are so subtle unless you are actively listeninng to it

and yes they are done with vermintide now after they released the last free update patch

[tame lodge]

Unless your audio settings is bugged and the warning just ceases to exist

Rude awakening to slave rat backstab damage

[narrow widget]

gutter runner from the top rope with no sound cue:

[sonic wedge]

you get jumped in east side london rat

[tame lodge]

Found it

I think this one specifically messed me up

[past stratus]

we still get that warm feeling when you're facing a wall of bulwarks and crushers and all of sudden an immaterial net surges from their shield or belly and hits you

love that

[sonic wedge]

hahahaha

[tame lodge]

It's also funny how DT had a similar audio bug where you just had to change from auto to something else

[sonic wedge]

when the AI spawns 15 crushers in different spawnpoints just because it wants to

sensational

then adds a bulwark to the mix

[past stratus]

idk about you guys but I have been playing lower difficulties while leveling my weapons, and I've been facing some insane shit

a damnation game that should be chill and fun, having shit like Lights Out as a modifier

[sonic wedge]

when doing quickplay damnation goes wrong

[past stratus]

or insane spawns like 10 mutants and 5 flamers in a room

[unreal nova]

Wait till you get red ones.

[sonic wedge]

while you're at it, it spawns a monstrosity too :D

[past stratus]

the said lights out game I had had a new player walking to a daemonhost and while we were fighting that, the game spawned a boss on us

that was the sweatiest game I ever played

[sonic wedge]

you mean the sweetest?

[sonic wedge]

I will accept my fate and die for the emperor

[unreal nova]

Rejected. Need to bonk more.

[ember nest]

Is this still a thing?

Or did it get fixed

[sonic wedge]

bonk till death

[tame lodge]

It was around when I started playing VT2

Like a year or so ago

[unreal nova]

If you can bonk, bonk.

[sonic wedge]

hahahah

[ember nest]

FULL SEND IT 🗣️ RELIC BLADE GO

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-bonk-gif-1640802954755837923

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/blood-manipulation-anime-higashi-anime-demon-slayer-zenitsu-gif-6023496764703103703

legit was my imagination with that message

[ember nest]

LMFAO

[formal hamlet]

Anyone using Hammer guide on PDF? Is there a quick way to go "back" after clicking a link that takes me elsewhere in a document?

[tame lodge]

Idk

Closest I can think is control f

[formal hamlet]

I'm using the table of contents for that but surprised I can't use my browser key inputs to go "back" and "forward", I don't use PDFs much.

[sonic wedge]

I have a question, are you willing to sacrifice more RAM?

[formal hamlet]

Depends on what I'm sacrificing it for.

For the emperor? No.

[sonic wedge]

Because if so, just do Shift + left click on the link extension on your pdf

when you do that, it opens a whole new tab with the specific link you have clicked

without sacrificing the pdf page that you are viewing

[formal hamlet]

Ah, so this opens it in a new window.

[sonic wedge]

indeed

its either shift or ctrl

[formal hamlet]

Yeah this is good to know for certain situations. 👍

[sonic wedge]

oh its control

Ctrl

not shift

shift opens a new browser entirely HAHAHA

Ctrl only opens a new tab

[formal hamlet]

Oh lemme see control.

[narrow widget]

can't even spare some ram for the emperor

[unreal nova]

The online version barely has any features due to the reader lul.

[formal hamlet]

Ah, opens it in a new tab with control, okay that works for me.

[sonic wedge]

You are in the fine line between heresy

Nempthis supports Xenos because of their tag

[formal hamlet]

The Google chaos god uses up enough of it as is.

[sonic wedge]

Heresy

[formal hamlet]

I am a Tau player, checks out.

[sonic wedge]

hahahaa

[formal hamlet]

Man levelling up this infantry lasgun feels so gross. Shooting a guy multiple times in the head to get the kills feels so weird.

I hope they can do more with this gun in the future, feels incredibly meh at the moment.

[sonic wedge]

I mean it is your starting gun, very straightforward

get the fast shooting version of the lasgun so you can spam sshots

[formal hamlet]

I suppose if it was single shot head popping enemies I wouldn't have as much incentive to use my Helbore.

[sonic wedge]

depending on what lasgun mark you use will dictate how you are going to be playing with it

[teal canyon]

Lasguns fukken suuucks, man

[formal hamlet]

I was recommended the fast shooting one on here, yet I saw the Mark IX was considered the best variant on Mister E's tier list so I thought maybe that's "the one".

[unreal nova]

I'm a Slaaneshi.

[past stratus]

it can be pretty ok with the right stats, perks and blessings

[sonic wedge]

If you want high damage then use the lasgun version with high damage then use blessings that rewards you with weakpoint damage and high crit if needed

[formal hamlet]

Tried both, I prefer the faster variant since they both takes multi shots anyway so might as well get the one with less shit handling.

[past stratus]

but if you wanna play a lasgun that shoots a bit fast, I'd just use the Helbore MkIII

or the Recon

[teal canyon]

Lasguns cant kill, or stun, or supress

[formal hamlet]

The Recon is a great time, I love swapping to my Recon build when I just wanna brrrrrrr through a mission.

[teal canyon]

Even recon is just worse autogun imo

[past stratus]

the Helbore is a better las rifle, very very strong

[formal hamlet]

Possibly, but I think the ammo management of recon wins out for me.

[past stratus]

but takes some getting used to

[formal hamlet]

Helbore's my favourite gun in the game, happy to see them slowly buff it.

[sonic wedge]

Yup, with the right talent tree for the recon lasgun you wont lose out on ammo

[narrow widget]

where are my bolter heads

[sonic wedge]

Here

[narrow widget]

you mean left

[teal canyon]

Me

[past stratus]

if the plasma didn't exist, I'd say that the Helbore is the strongest Vet gun

[formal hamlet]

Bolter is a great time too, I've got a memey exec stance build for that which I like to run for fun.

[sonic wedge]

[tame lodge]

The heavy version got powercrept

[formal hamlet]

Blew myself up with plasma gun first time in my life yesterday, after 3 years.

[tame lodge]

It used to be top pick in the past

[teal canyon]

Oh yes, kill one person every 2 seconds if you have aimbot

[narrow widget]

you can blow up with plas gun??

[hybrid burrow]

ive been wanting a fun exec stance with boltgun for quite some time

[tame lodge]

Yes

[sonic wedge]

if you overheat it

[narrow widget]

zamn

[tame lodge]

Only on charged shots

[formal hamlet]

I was intentionally using alt fire to use up more ammo to get my penance done.

[narrow widget]

I thought it just locked you out until it cooled down

[sonic wedge]

Nope

[formal hamlet]

The animation when you blow up is so goofy.

[tame lodge]

You can spam uncharged shots until it auto vents

But charged detonates

[sonic wedge]

It locks eyes on you and initiates its self distruct sequence

[teal canyon]

Bolter is better helbore

[formal hamlet]

He holds the plasma in his hand and stares at it for 10 years as it gets ready to explode. Like my man, just toss the gun, it's not attatched to your hand.

[past stratus]

yeah, on higher difficulties is a reliable way to kill dangerous targets from basically any range

lets you two tap crushers with headshots

[tame lodge]

Bait used to be believable

🚬

[past stratus]

you can crit one tap Reappers

[tropic notch]

This is why ur chud!

[teal canyon]

Crushers aint a threat since forever

[narrow widget]

yk who else can one tap reapers

[tropic notch]

You need to become cool and use dbarrel

[narrow widget]

rumbler for some god forsaken reason

[teal canyon]

Dbarrel rocks

[tame lodge]

Unyielding goes brrrr

[past stratus]

the rumbler is a godamn grenade launcher, I don't mind that it can kill a crusher lmao

[formal hamlet]

I need to find a better way to farm diamantide or whatever it's called, got a lot of weapons that need empowering to 500.

[past stratus]

I just think it can do it a bit too fast atm

[narrow widget]

play havoc

[sonic wedge]

play havoc and claim rewards every week

or whenever the timer expires

[teal canyon]

Not only bolter way more fun to use, ITS even have same mechanic but in reverse

[formal hamlet]

Oh okay, not sure if I'm Havoc ready yet. I did it one time, but I'm still trying to get consistent on Auric difficulty.

I normally play on Heresy/Damnation depending on what build I feel like using.

[narrow widget]

the lower havoc levels are the equivalent of like malice/heresy missions

so regardless it's just free resoruces

[formal hamlet]

Oh, for real? Maybe I should be doing some Havoc in that case. Lemme go check out the mission viewer for that now.

[sonic wedge]

if you get the auric maelstrom survivor penance which requires you to survive 5 auric maelstrom missions back to back without dying then you are semi ready for havoc

[formal hamlet]

So basically don't quick play on it?

[hollow plank]

Does anyone have advice how to prolong the life of my veteran? I’ve been trying to do the Adept Assassin penance and I keep getting exploded by hordes of pox walkers and bezerkers

[formal hamlet]

Okay so this is the Havoc thing. I never check this normally.

[narrow widget]

take shout and spam it

[steep flower]

There is no quickplay for havoc; you party finder or use LFG here

[tame lodge]

Dodge

And push

Every now and then

Against ragers

Shoot them

[formal hamlet]

What's this deployments until demotion thing about?

[sonic wedge]

thats a bad havoc condition combo hahaha

[steep flower]

Its not just shout; its overall skill & weapons used

[tame lodge]

Unless you know that your melee can stagger them

[narrow widget]

HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR!!!! TO ME GIVE EM HELL!!!!! FIGHT!!!! OR ANSWER TO ME!!!! NO DYING TILL I SAY SO!!!!

[steep flower]

You fail 3 times you demote 1 lv

[sonic wedge]

SO basically you get three tries of havoc missions, if you fail all three then your level will be demoted

your level is that number you see on the top left

[hollow plank]

I assume Curios used matters too?

[sonic wedge]

yes

[formal hamlet]

And what does this level actually do? Apparently I'm 16.

[sonic wedge]

it will dictate how hard your havoc missions will be

[narrow widget]

you start at 16 if you've completed an auric maelstrom

[sonic wedge]

the higher the rank, the more fucked you are

[steep flower]

To a degree; 2 toughness is great, for vet specifically i would recommend hp curio too

[formal hamlet]

Wait so I don't want to do too well in Havoc, then?

[teal canyon]

Dbarrel weapon specialist with shout

[narrow widget]

you can always join a lower ranked party

[past stratus]

I am also an HP curio enjoyer with Vet

[sonic wedge]

that depends on you hahaahha

[formal hamlet]

Never tried LFGing for Darktide, I just solo queue, will give this Havoc a shot today!

[narrow widget]

ik it's meta but I'm too addicted to stamina 💔 💔

[steep flower]

Without 21% hp you die to a poxburster in havoc

98 hp gaming btw

[hollow plank]

Right now I just got One HP, Toughness, and wound and each has a tier 4 curse reduction, HP, and Toughness Regen

[past stratus]

I've always felt that the third toughness curio didn't make me feel any safer

[narrow widget]

toughness regen 💀 💀 💀 💀

[past stratus]

I feel ya, I got sprint efficiency on my perks lately because of that. I like to zoom when I can

[steep flower]

Curse is not needed, toughness regen is dogshit don’t use it, wounds are nice when you want to learn but should be later replaced with second toughness curio

[quick burrow]

i am returning old player whats the hot veteran build these days

[formal hamlet]

I've been using the same curious for every build, 2 toughness ones and 1 stamina.

[narrow widget]

same one as always

[hollow plank]

What about the perks on them? Just do like HP and mix damage reductions?

[past stratus]

Frag, shout and whatever keystone you do better with

[narrow widget]

toughness, HP, gunner resist, cdr, stamina regen

[steep flower]

Hp is not that needed; classic formula for curio perks is;
3 combat ability regen
3 toughness
2 gunner resists
1 stamina regen/hp

[quick burrow]

exe stance still not loved 😦

[hybrid burrow]

dont the 3 stacks get shafted because of the diminishing returns? i always though it as better to stack to a max of 2 and then get something else

[past stratus]

I used to run sniper resist on my curious when I was learning the game 😌

[tame lodge]

You can still use

[steep flower]

In terms of resists yes, in terms of rest no

[tame lodge]

200 HP 1 sniper res you tank 2 shots

[narrow widget]

simply don't get shot

[past stratus]

nowadays I rarely get hit, if I do it is probably because I made a silly mistake

but when I was learning it was great, let me get away with it

[hollow plank]

Ok and for doing Adept Assassin penance I’d assume a crowd clear melee with some high damage accurate weapon?

[past stratus]

same as wound curios, let you get downed more. Good for learning

[steep flower]

For comparison; with 3 ability cooldown reductions your 30 sec shout will be 26 sec upon use; do the rest of the math yourself how often you will be shouting during an endgame match

[past stratus]

around 10s on a Maelstrom match because of Tactical Awareness

[hollow plank]

Ive been using the Bolt Pistol and the power sword for it and it seem to be working I just keep getting mauled

[sonic wedge]

it fully depends on your playstyle

[steep flower]

Thats just flat out reduction per kill; on itself is bonkers but combine it with every extra 4 sec everytime you use an ability it starts to pile on on how many free shouts you get

[sonic wedge]

If your playstyle is more for a "I hate crowds" kind of playstyle then yes use melees that are good with crowd control

[hybrid burrow]

thats a lot of screaming

[sonic wedge]

If your playstyle is more on faster attacks with good damage then you can use weapons that benefits with finesse stats

[past stratus]

a lot of times I sit on a shout CD because I'm busy with other stuff

[steep flower]

Once i return home i can teach you everything you need to know in vc; wanna?

[past stratus]

which is a mistake but tactical awareness takes me by surprise

[teal canyon]

IM running this[https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f639326-b578-471a-a5cf-46036a3e1dec/stupid-sexy-shots]

[narrow widget]

it takes like half a second

[hollow plank]

I typically go for a more cowardly playstyle. I stand behind my friend who mains Ogryn and and watch his back with a chain sword and explode gunners and snipers with the plasma gun so he can deal with crowds

[steep flower]

Could be better

[hollow plank]

I don’t get home till about 5:30 EST but if your on then sure

[sonic wedge]

Ah, in that case you can either go for the good old powersword or dueling sword

[past stratus]

it's not that I can't I just don't notice the cooldown reset

[orchid hemlock]

Chainsword 😞

[steep flower]

Thats like midnight for me

[sonic wedge]

chainsword is good to be fair but it doesnt do well with crowd control nor do any attack combos that helps you with hordes

its straightforward "chainsaw" on a sword

[steep flower]

Will be able to squeeze an hour to explain everything

[narrow widget]

I really like how chainsword attacks are you just flailing it around like a blunt object

[steep flower]

Will ping you here in chat & wait; be on alert

[hollow plank]

👍

[sonic wedge]

I incorporate combos as well but I find it like a weapon that is meant to target enemies

thats just for me imo

I dont know how others use it so it may be different

[teal canyon]

Its the way it is for specific reasons

[steep flower]

Name them (imagine Aku saying that in that one scene from Samurai Jack)

[teal canyon]

First - melee nodes are powerful and quite good with rashad, making it powerful enough to oneshot specialists and get ragers regret life choices.
Grenades are essential for horde clear, and since you always killing spec/elite, you ginna extract value from it with bonuses from elite kill bonuses. And giving toughness to team passively is great since you gonna regenerate it alot from elikills

My phone is dying. Right .. now

[muted peak]

I need to get veteran sentry pants

top is awesome but doesn't fit with my current pants

[ember nest]

Get the 53rd gear 🗣️

[muted peak]

there is a 53rd gear?

goddamn how can I get it

[ember nest]

50 havocs

[muted peak]

bruh

🥀

[ember nest]

Nah u got it

[muted peak]

I'm on heresy on my top op bro 🥀

and don't have skill

[ember nest]

Ion care I grinded out 2 classes and like 20 weapons 🗣️

U can get there

(Since arbites release)

[muted peak]

I'm a broke ass student

can't buy arbites

[ember nest]

Good thing its free

[muted peak]

WHAT

[ember nest]

(The havok gear)

[muted peak]

oh

my disappointment is immeasurable

[ember nest]

I have not actually used arbites in havok yet

[sonic wedge]

The only thing you need for the 53rd gear is another traumatized friend to play with you on havoc missions until you complete 40-50 missions

[unreal nova]

The pants is winning 25.

H25

[ember nest]

Ye

[sonic wedge]

ah did not know that

I only based it on the armor

[steep flower]

If you go one motion, out for blood & tactical reload you will have better results than going left top side of your tree especially since you have boltgun. Rashad is nice with all those melee bonuses & counters ragers but you have grenades & a boltgun; you might as well shoot them/grenade them & save yourself 5 points for other things you might need for this build cause now your exec stance is semi optimal (get highlight augments; even the one for ogryn would be nice cause you will be targeting them first with boltgun)

[unreal nova]

It's likely the first one you get.

[ember nest]

How to be better than most players: be in coherency

[sonic wedge]

ngl I have yet to find any friends to play havoc missions with me

[ember nest]

[midnight totem]

This discord is one of the best resources for finding havoc gamers

[sonic wedge]

The friend who invited me to play darktide is now on playing real life and can no longer play darktide

[narrow widget]

nah man I'm literally him

[ember nest]

The arbites before getting crusher overheaded

[narrow widget]

he lives anyway

[ember nest]

Lol no

[sonic wedge]

Nah bro

[unreal nova]

He does live, lul.

[ember nest]

Go on

[civic apex]

True grit node

[narrow widget]

it's like hardly a scratch as well

[ember nest]

Oh the 50 damage one

Lame

[narrow widget]

and then he instantly regains all his toughness bc fuck you I guess

[ember nest]

The power of future feetknight

[sonic wedge]

Bro the in game items are inflated so hard its not even worth it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lighthouse-the-lighthouse-wake-laugh-wake-laughing-gif-16420751

[ember nest]

[unreal nova]

But you need or die.

[sonic wedge]

wait

[unreal nova]

RL DLC srsbsn.

[sonic wedge]

I just found out today

Heresy has maelstrom

I thought it was Damnation with maelstrom

or am I just dumb

[unreal nova]

It used to be randomly malice to damn mael.

But the gen seems to love only heresy.

[sonic wedge]

damn

I was franticlly searching for maelstrom damnation

for warmups for auric maelstroms

[unreal nova]

Need time. You die because 3 months -12 years starvation

[narrow widget]

just run auric maelstrom without warmup idk idk

[unreal nova]

Depends on crops.

[narrow widget]

stealth is so overtuned rn

[tame lodge]

Infinite food glitch?

Smh

[narrow widget]

like why even farm atp

[tame lodge]

Reported

[unreal nova]

I guess you unlocked 10 years in jail.

[ember nest]

The game doesn't even have dlc

All of it is there but timegated

[unreal nova]

Is MTX.

Also education mtx to get more money.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[ember nest]

Weird pvp enabled larp zone

Of course ppl like it

[gentle lake]

How big is the difference with dump stats anyway

I could check but a lil lazy

[unreal nova]

What weapon?

[gentle lake]

Well I have boltgun with a dumpstat

[unreal nova]

Collateral or Mobility.

[gentle lake]

mob

Like what changes

[unreal nova]

Mobility is basically 2% loss in dodge range and sprint speed usually. Collateral for boltgun causes you to need 1 extra shot to open bulwarks.

[gentle lake]

Hm.

[unreal nova]

May or may not change bp for pinning fire.

[teal canyon]

Honestly, no. Reload bonuses for kill is simply better same as toughness. Meanwhile tactical reload gives you less bonus for far more anxiety. And out of blood give you petite amounts compared to +30% for a elitespec kills. Besides, you really dont need anything else. Yeah, you missing purple nodes but left one is useless and center one is just damage. And you already have plenty of those.

[unreal nova]

O4B works on chaff.

And by chaff, each one grants 10% toughness now for melee kills.

[teal canyon]

Oh no, trashmob! Give me all the bonuses!

[unreal nova]

If the base is 5%.

Or throw a 'nade and refill to full.

[gentle lake]

I'm just trying to understand if rolling for dumpstats is really worth it in the grand scheme of things.

[unreal nova]

Usually if 4 stats are damage related
XD

[gentle lake]

Does it make 5 shots 4 shots to kill an enemy?

[unreal nova]

Like I said, gotta test pinning fire bp yourself. I don't remember too much about it.

[gentle lake]

Hm

[unreal nova]

All I know is if you dump collateral, you need 1 extra shot to open them.

[safe kestrel]

This sounds something like real life

[midnight totem]

I go right tree solely for the 5 percent ms node

[teal canyon]

Besides, +30 +33 +50 reduced toughness damage is doing wonders sometimes

[sharp ingot]

Anyone happen to know what enemies count as armored for the armor breaker penance?

[tame lodge]

Basically all scabs

[sharp ingot]

📝

[unreal nova]

Take a lethal prox Bistol as well. Slightly more things clipped means chance to get more kills.

[sharp ingot]

Iongeddit

Like I understand

None of that first sentence

[narrow widget]

Bolt pistol with lethal proximity as a blessing

lethal proximity applies to all explosions, including your grenades

[sharp ingot]

Oic

[unreal nova]

It's not THAT big, but still.

[sharp ingot]

I was already looking for a good bolt pistol for my vet tho so if it also helps the nades that's hella nice

[narrow widget]

lethal proximity puncture my beloved

[sharp ingot]

📝

[wraith perch]

What's the plasma dump stat?

[queen sky]

@tired egret

[wraith perch]

so kind of 70/70?

[queen sky]

those numbers specifically

[wraith perch]

oh, I see, hidden stuff

[queen sky]

the breakpoints get really specific with plasma gun mechanics

it's to do with the way heat builds up and dissipates on the gun

you can fit one more shot in a 0-100% climb

i think there may be some leeway, but i've not seen 70/70 ever reccomended

[hollow ibex]

70/70 is fine so long as you can get 8 shots

uncharged

not a perfect roll, but it won't matter

esp when plasma is going to get reworked soon tm anyway

[wraith perch]

got you, thanks, interesting numbers 😂

[hollow ibex]

i wouldn't dump millions of dockets into finding a "perfect" roll rn

[orchid hemlock]

Ur a perfect roll

[wraith perch]

I never do anymore, I just look at NPCs hourly or daily and if there is there, else move on

[narrow widget]

wasn't it like 68 72 or smth

[hollow ibex]

well with decimal points yeah technically

[wraith perch]

.33 repeating of course

[past stratus]

I got 60 thermal on mine and I already think that shit is broken

[unreal nova]

That is a little rng but if it works, is true minmax.

[blissful fractal]

best consistent lasgun

in ya'll opinion

[hollow ibex]

helbore mk 3

[queen sky]

high rof recon las

[blissful fractal]

which one the super high rof or just the high rof

[unreal nova]

VIc Recon.

[blissful fractal]

i wish they had a galaxy pattern or tanith pattern fr

[queen sky]

highest

that thing is like sweeping a laser pointer

feels excellent

[blissful fractal]

thats the one i use, my brain gets tickled usin a lasgun

[queen sky]

set it up with las and reload talents and you will murderise both bosses and hordes

just gotta remember to aim for heads or it suffers

[unreal nova]

VIc is better in general at some point.

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[unreal nova]

If you hit heds and such.

[hollow ibex]

VIc is the best if you're sweating

[faint beacon]

MkVII and IIb feel pretty fun also

[hollow ibex]

ilas? 🤮

[faint beacon]

Unless you don’t take Determined

Yeah Ilas

Cause it’s actually fun to use and requires a brain

[hollow ibex]

tbh if you're going to use ilas, might as well just use helbore at that point lol

[faint beacon]

🚬

[queen sky]

it really is a shame how bad the ilas is

[blissful fractal]

ilas my beloved

[queen sky]

the feel is awful and it struggles with both bosses and hordes

[blissful fractal]

wish i could just use an iron on the ilas

[grand perch]

you can with mods

[unreal nova]

With lower performance and increased crash risks.

[sudden cedar]

Shotgunners.

[grand perch]

theyre just emotional support for sniper bro

[carmine zealot]

Would lower recoil help it?

[queen sky]

no, the RoF is still awful

it struggles to do enough damage

the recon lasgun has firepower through volume, and the plasma gun has firepower through per-shot damage

[grand perch]

damage is plenty with exec and / or MMF

[queen sky]

ilas and hellgun are not unusable, but they do feel noticably worse

[faint beacon]

It’s the only weapon where you have to take Determined also

Lmao

[grand perch]

you know my stance on determined

you never have to

[faint beacon]

Still don’t know why it isn’t a passive

[carmine zealot]

there's a hellgun?

or helbore?

[faint beacon]

Like a straight up passive for Veteran

[queen sky]

sorry yeah hellbore

[faint beacon]

We have a joke of a passive lmao

[queen sky]

the lucius pattern dealy

[carmine zealot]

peek cover is our passive i think

used to be extra ammo

[queen sky]

i think i use cover peeking on the archivum sycorax hack midway through, and that's it

lets me huddle behind the console while still picking off gunners and snipers

[carmine zealot]

game's too fast for cover and sniper mechanics

[queen sky]

never found any other situation where it's worth it to peek

either you need to be hustling to the objective, or the defence point is too open

[sonic kayak]

chickchick You ain't even real soldiers!

[faint beacon]

There really isn’t much advantage to peeking either

They just aim for your head

[carmine zealot]

Ever since they removed the reduced threat when not moving mechanic it's become really hard for me to snipe without losing most of my health to stray poxwalker backshots.

Although the problem with reduced threat was that the remaining three members take all the aggro.

[faint beacon]

I feel like anything reduced threat should exclusively be to Ability usage

However they do need to do something with Vets passive cause holy shit it may as well not exist

[lost silo]

what's the best lasgun

[carmine zealot]

Spearhead

[lost silo]

that's a boltgun

[quick burrow]

is the column autogun still good or is it beat out by the recons

[sonic kayak]

Irrelevant outside of Havoc

In Havoc, Recon edges out due to Shock Trooper

[quick burrow]

okay i like recons anyway cause i like ammo restore and pew pew pew, which is you think best one now? and is collat still the dump stat for easier head shots? or is it mob

[sonic kayak]

Most cases you'll be using Onslaught + Infernus, so it's a debuff stick too

I don't like the 12 but it procs stacks the fastest, which is the popular one

Collat is still the dump stat

[quick burrow]

so just gota modify this one ?

[sonic kayak]

Yep

[carmine zealot]

Recon's decent but I object to bullpups on general principles.

[quick burrow]

i have a ton of moderatly good rolled guns from my previous play haha

didnt come back until just recently

[sonic kayak]

Flak and Maniac I think are the perks

Dumdum + Infernus

Can always double-check in the Hammer of the Emperor guide in the pins, it's like 95% up to date still

[sleek garden]

Why those two anyway

I forgot what I took on it but I think it was dumdum but definitely not infernus

My recon lasgun can one shot scab shooters to the head after a few stacks of marksmans focus

so I can kinda use it like an infantry lasgun

[sonic kayak]

Infernus can be swapped if you're not in Havoc, otherwise it's fun if niche boss/elite damage

It also ramps up if you're using Onslaught, and your perks affect your DoT

[sleek garden]

I kinda like terrifying barrage

because it actually stops groaners and point blank shooters

[quick burrow]

wait u use marksman on recon?

[sleek garden]

yeah

[quick burrow]

im prob outdated haha i remember it used to be no keystones as popular choice

[sleek garden]

No I play wrong

[sonic kayak]

That's still the case

[sleek garden]

I go down the left side of the tree and try to rack up all the ranged stuff

[sonic kayak]

Terrifying Barrage is wild though lol

[quick burrow]

something like this ?

[sleek garden]

I take exy stance

[sonic kayak]

At that rate just use the Mk 2 laspistol

[sleek garden]

No normally I use the infantry lasgun

I like the recon as a more mobile version of it

I don't use marksmans focus for stuff like plasma and revolver though

[sonic kayak]

But the laspistol is arguably better than the lasgun, and you still have a lot of RoF + mobility, and you're not gimping yourself

[sleek garden]

Laspistol cannot one shot a scab gunner at 13 meters

I know it sucks but I like shooting people with a rifle

[sonic kayak]

[sleek garden]

I have used laspistol on rolling steel, and there I like it a lot