veteran-class

[tropic notch]

Mk4, defense dump, flak + maniac, headtaker + slaughter

[red robin]

Neat

[red robin]

Sucks those two blessings are mandatory due to needing cleave

[red robin]

Like 100% best blessings in slot

But man I just wanna try the nothing burger blessings

[tropic notch]

Thunderous wouldn’t be terrible

[red robin]

yeahh

Just wishing the movement speed one didn’t feel like ass

Be cool if it had movement slow reduction baked in

Nothing burger but I just want movement shooter gameplay

[tropic notch]

I hope vet gets a talent like rapid movement like Arby has

@unreal nova you like that?

[ember nest]

DR on exe 🙏

[narrow widget]

I love how arby has a talent called 'March' while vet doesn't get any of that shit

same thing for rebreather tbh

[ember nest]

does arby directly mimmick any of the VT classes

[narrow widget]

[narrow widget]

footknight

[ember nest]

ain't footnight really good

[unreal nova]

You sus. And unless you both are fem enough, probs not.

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201362226842443837/1388271314338316298/OH.gif

[ember nest]

a better question is

what specific class could vet pretend to be to no longer be shout.mp4

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-not-hehe-gif-23710013

[unreal nova]

Ded?

[ember nest]

ded?

[gentle lake]

how do I make the helbore lasgun good.

[past stratus]

you aim it at enemies

hope that helps

[unreal nova]

No shout, ded.

[gentle lake]

It's not enough

:(

[red robin]

Footknight with bretonnian longsword was my fav thing

[narrow widget]

play an aim trainer

[red robin]

Take vt2 opportunist and just ultra stagger everything

[gentle lake]

I am not using a fuckin aim trainer son

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[ember nest]

thank you for not answering it 😔

[tropic notch]

Chainaxe is chainsword if the chainsword didn’t suck!!!!!! Why is it so ass!

[red robin]

Chainsword baton gameplay wild

[tropic notch]

Just did a melee psyker run with it and coped the entire time

[red robin]

Wish there was revving horde cleave baked in

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[past stratus]

For real answer, if you want to learn the Helbore, pick up the Mk III with Surgical and Infernus IMO. Play with it for a while, when you feel comfortable with the way the weapon works, change to MK IV and change Infernus for Weight of Fire and try to hit heads

iirc the stat dump is stability, perks flak + unyelding

[gentle lake]

what does dump stats mean and how do u do it

its just gamblnig at brunts yeah

[narrow widget]

who's stat

[past stratus]

yeah you go to brunt and you buy it until you get 80 on everything and 60 on stability

[narrow widget]

yeah just look for 60 stability from brunt

[gentle lake]

Hmm.

and it's just grey weapons yeah?

How huge is the gameplay difference

[past stratus]

yeah but you can turn grey into shiny orange

by the glory of the Omnissiah

[gentle lake]

Yeah I always do that

[past stratus]

and enough diamantine

[gentle lake]

So it's just focusing on a single stat until its a good number

[past stratus]

Mk III has fast charged shot, it is comfier for people that are not used with the charged shot gameplay

[narrow widget]

yea and that guarantees the other stats will be maxed

[past stratus]

Mk III is also capable of doing some fast shooting if you really want to shoot hordes for some reason

[gentle lake]

Ah thats quite good!

[past stratus]

but the ultimate goal should be to be one tapping things with a fully charged shot using the Mk IV

unless you're Papa, Papa likes the Mk III

[gentle lake]

Pardon for not paying attention, hold on

[past stratus]

ye np

[gentle lake]

Yeah!

[past stratus]

that is just my take as a Helbore enjoyer

[gentle lake]

But I'll just stab them :P

[past stratus]

the bayonet is unironically good with the Mk III

[narrow widget]

the humble q button

[past stratus]

the MkIV bayonet is kind of dog.

[formal hamlet]

What's the recommended perks, blessings and mark for Brautogun?

[unreal forge]

playing aurics and trying the heavy sword for the first time and this shit takes like 3 hits to kill poxwalkers

3 very slow hits

[gentle lake]

I forgor, is killing herectics good or bad

[elder vessel]

Veteran
A.S.S.
Duelling sword
Shout
Frags
Surv
Terrible Ammo Management

and a recon lasgun

[past stratus]

Inquisitor, it is this guy here 👆 yeah, you can take him

[barren cave]

What blessings and perks on bolter

[gentle lake]

this girl right here! also where am I going...

Is there a disney land in the imperium

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-infinity-gauntlet-power-thanos-gif-15000377

[gentle lake]

I haven't used the bolt gun in a while ngl.

[past stratus]

Gaming

[gentle lake]

Mainly bc I found it boring after using it for too long plus ogryn is addicting.

and revolver is a better weapon in my opininon.

equips faster etc

[past stratus]

Bolter is for the mag dump memes

killing beast of nurgle in seconds

[narrow widget]

for spraying
pinning fire, cavalcade
carapace, unyielding

for ADSing instead of pinning fire take surgical

[gentle lake]

fair.

[elder vessel]

AND AN EXTRA WOUND

[past stratus]

ngl sometimes when I get trapped from behind a bulwark then stealth poxbomber-ed. I wish I had one more wound

fuck you AI director I hate you too

[narrow widget]

if you were a better soldier maybe cadia wouldn't have fallen and you wouldn't be in that situation

hope that helps ;)

[past stratus]

my only cadian is my ogryn

because fuck Cadia, Cadians won't shut up about it

boo hoo your planet go boom

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0

[elder vessel]

My cadian is a psyker

[narrow widget]

I don't have cadians

[past stratus]

this here is why the Professional is the GOAT Veteran

the others are not even close

[elder vessel]

no

Loose Cannon takes the cake

[faint beacon]

Truth nuke

[unreal nova]

Fem LC. Best Gremlin.

[faint beacon]

Truth Exterminatus

[hollow ibex]

Nah I want to tell everyone about Cadia

Cutthroat is the best by far

Have I mentioned that he’s from Cadia?

[faint beacon]

Most annoying

GOTTEM

[hollow ibex]

Got who

[sudden cedar]

Cadians just whine all the time.

[unreal nova]

Best at making ppl wanna blow them off the map.

[hollow ibex]

I love how toxic he is

And bitter

[sudden cedar]

🧂

[elder vessel]

"Thank you for your insight, Magos Obvious"

🗣️ 🗣️

[hollow ibex]

looks like a bunch of people wished they were cadian

they hate us cuz they anus!

[unreal forge]

skill issue provost

[round crystal]

I like female professional more or I would run cut throat honestly

[bright cipher]

nice

[formal hamlet]

What's the recommended perks, blessings and mark for braced autogun and tactical axe? I'm working on their masteries right now.

[round crystal]

headtaker and brutal momentum on vet for tac axe right?

and Mark VII

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[round crystal]

I run the Agripinaa Mk VIII Braced Auto with Speedload and Deathspitter, but if you have any reload speed talents you could swap it for something like Inspiring Barrage or Ceaseless Barrage. Also, basically never actually brace it

Just tap fire and you can get accurate sniper kills at long range

[hollow ibex]

deathspitter fire frenzy is the default on BAG

i don't think you need reload blessings

the mag econ is pretty decent

[formal hamlet]

What about perks on them both?

[round crystal]

Flak and Maniac on brauto

[hollow ibex]

for taxe i run unarmored + cara

and yeah flakiac on brauto

[hearty turtle]

What's would you say the essential/non negotiable perks are for vet?

[formal hamlet]

Did not know I don't need to brace the brauto, good shout.

[round crystal]

competitive urge, deadshot, shock trooper, demolition stockpile, catch a breath

[formal hamlet]

What's my anti armour tool here?

[hollow ibex]

def not comp urge lol

[round crystal]

the tac axe

[hollow ibex]

CAB is also nice, but not necessary

[formal hamlet]

I was using a different mark of Taxe and felt like I wasn't doing enough to armoured enemies, hopefully this new mark will fix that.

[hollow ibex]

mk7 has good anti armor

[round crystal]

this was a joke please don't hate crime me

[formal hamlet]

Just heavy attack their heads I assume?

[hollow ibex]

mk4 is prob better at anti armor, but the horde clear is signifcantly worse

[hollow ibex]

light spam

[faint beacon]

Comp urge value sky rocketing cause of Arby stacks

LMAO

[round crystal]

rip buff on kill builds for everyone else

[formal hamlet]

Also just did the don't get hit by melee penance, almost done with all my Vet penances. Any advice for doing Make Every Shot Count easier?

[hearty turtle]

Got a good generalist build for vet? I was using one suggested to me earlier and was wondering if anyone has any others

[hollow ibex]

uhh did i send you my general build already?

idr

[formal hamlet]

Any particular weapon(s) you like?

That might dictate some of the nodes people suggest.

[hearty turtle]

Using the recon, the bolt and might try plas when I get a good roll

[hearty turtle]

Don't think so

[formal hamlet]

For example I hear you don't need attack speed on power sword, but you may want it for combat axe.

[round crystal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f605f0b-f4d8-4970-b97e-2747743b451c/auric-operative

my recon las build

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

this would work for bistol

and plasma

[round crystal]

people here will probably suggest swapping the axe for power sword or something

[hollow ibex]

swap GBITF for CAB, and field improve for demo stockpile

otherwise looks good

GBITF is basically worthless

[round crystal]

why demo stockpile?

demo team resets its timer right?

[hearty turtle]

This is what I was suggested

[hollow ibex]

to even out some of the rng with demo team

[formal hamlet]

Surprised they won't suggest the duelling sword first. I hear that's really good for now.

[hollow ibex]

and grenades are way too powerful

[round crystal]

about to get nerfed

[hollow ibex]

you want every source of regen

[round crystal]

one sec im looking

[hollow ibex]

yup this is a good starting point

from that framework you can build whatever you want

[hearty turtle]

Would you say the bottom keystone is necessary?

[hollow ibex]

usually would recommend taking it

[unreal nova]

7 stacks?

[hollow ibex]

focus target that is

[formal hamlet]

I've been told with Vet you can technically not even go for a keystone in some builds.

[hearty turtle]

I wanna get rending and superiority plus bring it down

[faint beacon]

because the keystones are so lukewarm you can just ignore them

[unreal nova]

Wait, that's the other one top mid.

Urge is that one related to kills.

[ember nest]

wrong channel

[unreal nova]

Also, no. Don't care to come from a sandbox.

[round crystal]

what is GBITF?

[round crystal]

I have been scouring the perk tree looking for that acronym lol

Is it really?

[unreal nova]

Take Catch a Breath instead.

[hollow ibex]

yeah

CAB is actually good now

[round crystal]

Won't it get you out of fire and what not?

ah I see

[formal hamlet]

I'm glad I've remembered a bunch of the advice I've been given here lately. Feel like I could put together a half decent build on my own at this point. Probably a few bad points here and there but seems like once you learn what are the really good nodes you kinda just creep your way towards those, right?

[hollow ibex]

basically yeah

that's how you build vet

avoid the traps, get the good damage / utility nodes

path towards the keystone you want

[round crystal]

I wish more was viable

every build that isn't super duper niche uses all of these exact nodes

[hollow ibex]

its not like arbi where you can build whatever the fuck you want

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, I love chain axe. I’ve done a build on zealot to great effect, but was wondering if vet was able to make it work proper

[unreal forge]

vet makes dueling sword look balanced

[round crystal]

also sirosky, are you sure about demo stockpile?

I am switching everything else mentioned so far

[unreal nova]

Is gud on higher diffs.

[formal hamlet]

Any hopes of a Vet rework any time soon? I was watching some Mister. E videos and, not sure how reliable this guy's information is, but he was saying that Veteran was the weakest class and wasn't bringing much to the team besides yellow toughness shout and maybe one other thing that I forgot.

[round crystal]

after zealot

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean in a 30 minute match, it gives you 30 grenades

[unreal nova]

Check back in a year.

[hollow ibex]

and it provides consistency

demo team is great, but it's very inconsistent

[unreal nova]

Get both, 'nades for days.

[unreal forge]

thats optimistic

you should always get both demo stockpile and team I agree

[hollow ibex]

the only times where i'd say skip one

is in lower difficulties, where demo team is not going to proc often

or if you're using smokes

in auric and lower

[unreal nova]

Yes, but I don't think it'll be soon even if needed.

[unreal forge]

even in auric demo team just never procs lol

thats def a havoc tier ability

[unreal nova]

5% is 5%.

[hollow ibex]

absolutely not

demo team is a big value even in auric

[unreal nova]

Depends on luck. XD

[unreal forge]

ive been playing a lot of vet in aurics and uhhhh no it just never procs

[hearty turtle]

Only have enough for 2 more nodes, what should I get/remove?

[hollow ibex]

skill issue tbh

[unreal forge]

like ever

enemy density in aurics is just too low for that shit to be noticeable

[round crystal]

superiority complex bottom left

[hollow ibex]

and drop that revive node

[round crystal]

and demo team

[unreal forge]

what weapons you using?

[hearty turtle]

What revive?

[unreal forge]

definitely get superiority complex regardless but kill zone might also be really good if youre using a lasgun

[unreal forge]

get the +1 grenade instead

but also the revive node is not bad

revive speed is clutch, and it gives assist speed too which is very rare and really good

[unreal nova]

Never think of failure.

[hearty turtle]

Melee is power sword, guns switch between recon, bolt and possible plasma when I get a good roll

[unreal forge]

then don't pick any talents because all talents are supposed to prevent you from failure

[unreal nova]

Never build for failure.

[unreal forge]

if you want to go that route of logic

[hearty turtle]

I mean to put the agile engagement node, mb

[round crystal]

i actually love agile engagement with helbore

[unreal forge]

definitely build for failure, failure is inevitable no matter how many sustain nodes you have

i've had a fair share of saves in havoc that wouldn't be possible without the +24% revive speed i usually have in my curios

[round crystal]

Would you guys suggest any changes for this build?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6059aa-1493-4a18-88c7-77966ee56dfd/navis-imperialis-armsmen

[hearty turtle]

Ok this is what I meant to say I have

[unreal nova]

So why not take revive on shout then?

[hearty turtle]

What do I go for/drop? I could get a combo of rending strikes/superiority complex/ focus target/weapons specialist

[unreal forge]

because the downsides from it are huge compared to the 1 point investment into the revive speed perk

thats what I'm sayin

[hearty turtle]

Any suggestions?

[unreal forge]

how many points do you have left

you're using kraks, definitely get grenadier

also what weapons are you using?

[unreal nova]

Is more, if you wanna just take nodes to deal with an incoming teamwipe vs a node that could just prevent the team wipe situation in the first place.

[unreal forge]

very few nodes do that

and you can't exactly pinpoint them

it's very hard to say "this 1 out of 30 talents definitely prevented a team wipe situation"

[hearty turtle]

Got 2 left, and I'm using the power sword, and swapping between recon, bolt gun, and possibly plasma when I get a good roll

[unreal forge]

you have 3 other teammates that can say the same

but it is VERY obvious when a node or perk helps you come back from a team wipe

[unreal forge]

last few points can depend on what weapon you are using. if you're using the recon lasgun, you might want focus target keystone, kill zone, superiority complex and shock trooper

[unreal nova]

And if you get into a situation that a vet needs to pick up, it's basically a goner.

[unreal forge]

this is just false dude

what even is this argument

if you're using the bolter, you want tactical reload for sure

for plasma gun, there's no specific talents you want for it. very cheap weapon to build for

[unreal nova]

Because, if the tankier chars are already down, how much can you take stam/toughness wise to pick up ppl?

[unreal forge]

you don't have to

like Azreal said, you can shout and frag

and if you have revive speed perks, then you can revive your teammates before the enemies recover from the stagger

[hearty turtle]

Also, got a good infiltrate build?

[unreal nova]

If it's red, GL.

But if someone goes down, it's not 1x staker, it's usually a horde of them.

And whatever other elites in the dook causing the real damage.

[unreal forge]

Karien ur just assuming that if anyone needs to be picked up then the game is over but that's just not true

[unreal nova]

Nuncio works to a degree as well.

[hearty turtle]

That's 4 points

[unreal forge]

Recon is an expensive weapon to invest into lol

I tried it whout superiority complex and without kill zone and it just deals too little damage without those two perks, from my experience

[formal hamlet]

Anyone have advice for completing Make Every Shot Count penance?

[unreal nova]

Is more, barring very few vets, most of the time, they are the one on the floor first.

[unreal forge]

the moment someone goes down, how the team reacts to it is what can decide a team wipe

[unreal forge]

and this was in Aurics, I can't even imagine what it'd be like in H40

[formal hamlet]

When someone goes down I rush to their body and get hit by a dog/trapper mid-revive.

https://tenor.com/view/sharpe-henry-simmerson-napoleonic-gif-14067507922285483856

[unreal nova]

From when I played, fastest death is a vet. not even 3 mins.

[round crystal]

now that's solderin

[unreal forge]

Psyker is tabletop accurate, you're overpowered until you get a bad dice roll and lose everything

question, Gets Hot! or Shattering Impact?

[hollow ibex]

maybe when you're playing

i feel like pubs, it's a tossup if vet or psyker goes down first

[unreal forge]

is bro afraid to lose his h40 rank

that's what I'm saying

so y be picky about it

[hearty turtle]

Double barrel shotty shoot into enemies you know you can hit, when empty just melee till the end

[formal hamlet]

Also is Mark VI combat blade the best one for Vet? I noticed my knife on my Zealot and Vet are not the same marks.

[trim badger]

All havoc 40 vet builds should use Focus Target

otherwise I feel it's kind of a waste

[hearty turtle]

So what would you remove to get to kill zone?

[unreal forge]

probably the bottom right side talents ngl good as they seem

those are better fit for a plasma gun

[hearty turtle]

Also, have an infiltrate build or a build that uses scavenger?

[unreal forge]

every build uses survivalist usually. the other auras are bad by comparison to it

no infiltrate build no, never used it, never will

[hearty turtle]

Should I swap my aura then?

[sharp ingot]

what be the dump stat on a plasma gun?

[long dove]

so far been denied twice to jon havoc

oof

[round crystal]

what title are you using

[long dove]

a bkue one

[sharp ingot]

do people actually look at the titles?

[round crystal]

swap to reject and retry?

[hollow ibex]

closed and kill is the best aura

cope

[hollow ibex]

here

[sharp ingot]

what is this sorcery

[hearty turtle]

At this point I might just ask Bath

[round crystal]

they would look at dedicated adept.

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[hollow ibex]

fatshart moment

[hearty turtle]

Oh hey Perfectionist, you're the one I got the build from, what would you change for bolt gun and recon?

[unreal forge]

usually survivalist and frags are the hard meta for veteran

kraks unfortunately fall off

[round crystal]

question! Do they usually run them with bolt pistol / puncture, or are they just considered good in general?

[plain osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KPqfqd3JNH0?si=P7mkHCUIA7XIYClA

Best laugh in the game at the end

[unreal forge]

bolt pistol is a good weapon yeah. works with any build really

oh i didnt realize he was talking about that interaction

[round crystal]

that interaction yes

both good input though thank you

[past stratus]

the bistol is pretty good with WS

[unreal forge]

i cant believe this shit exists

past times

[faint beacon]

shit goes hard on Taxe with Serrated

Scab Captain B' Gone

[past stratus]

just because other classes do things good doesn't mean you have to stop wanting to do things good too

[unreal forge]

Zealot also deletes bosses dont forget that

enough of this Ogryn and Arby slander

[faint beacon]

Honestly its more of a "These classes are ludicrously overpowered"

[unreal forge]

deleting bosses is out of veteran's focus anyway

[past stratus]

saying they are good is not slander lmao

[faint beacon]

That- was Veteran's thing for ages

was doing really good Boss chunking with ranged

[unreal forge]

I think Vet's best focus is just hard specialist killing and grenades

[faint beacon]

Ogryn and Arby can do literally anything

[past stratus]

If you're a god gamer and you can get all the weakspot shots with a Helbore on a Beast of Nurgle you do insane damage too. But alas, the weakspot has a secret dodge mechanic

[unreal forge]

it's the frontliner advantage design, a staple of Fatshark

frontliners in VT2 are the best too

nothing kills specials better than plasma gun

Vet's just a one trick pony

Mk8 is trash

4 shots, long range shots will require at least 2 to kill the average specialist/elite

holy overrated dude

that weapon is outdone by the combat shotgun

in every way

[past stratus]

currently the arby shotgun does snipe enemies across the map but that is something I believe will probably be toned down because it is a little silly

[unreal forge]

it is false

false as fuck

[faint beacon]

not gonna happen for sometime or at all

[unreal forge]

I've actually used that weapon it is not doing that at all

[faint beacon]

FS is scared of doing actual impactful nerfs

[hearty turtle]

@tall torrent need some help with builds

[unreal forge]

as they should be

killing crushers is insane dude.

[formal hamlet]

Which of my abilities keeps giving me bloody ammo when I'm trying to do the no ammo penance lol. I should have looked at my talents before attempting this.

[unreal forge]

is there footage of this?

are you talking about the one with the 6 shots or the one with 4 shots?

the one with 6 shots is the one that people overhype to shit

but it is still 10 times better than the Mk8

and still worse than the Agri CS

I don't know what game you are playing

[faint beacon]

I wish Helby IV could manage that...

[unreal forge]

I need footage for your claims dude

because I've used that weapon and it just is not impressive

nowhere close to even the level of the Agri, let alone Plasma

maybe you have figured out a secret I don't know of

[past stratus]

I don't think anyone in good conscience can say that the Plasma is not broken, gonna be real here

[unreal forge]

didn't they fix that?

[faint beacon]

No worries its nerfed till Monday

[unreal forge]

or did they claim to fix that but didn't?

[faint beacon]

cause EO and TW don't even apply buffs in game atm

[unreal forge]

Forceful supremacy

[hearty turtle]

So shredder grenades are better?

[unreal forge]

are u sure it's not a psykhanium-only thing?

[unreal forge]

yes

[calm shard]

yeah

EO just sometimes doesn't apply when you kill a marked target

[unreal forge]

🤨

[calm shard]

It's common enough that you can notice it and it's annoying

[unreal forge]

we're talking about Keeping Protocol applying to non-monstrosities

[calm shard]

oh

[hearty turtle]

How so? Kraks delete crushers

[past stratus]

Crushers stop being a problem once you have a good gun

or melee weapon

[calm shard]

I wouldn't say deletes them

the long fuse makes them passable at killing crushers at best

[unreal forge]

so does your dueling sword, plasma gun and bolter. But frags still hard stagger crushers and apply very good damage by themselves. Outside of this, frags are also very versatile in ways that the kraks aren't

[past stratus]

big ass hordes of millions of elites is much more of an issue than a single crusher

[warm schooner]

kraks aren't great efficiency, better options for taking out crushers, opportunity cost of other blitzes is better

much rather take frag or smoke

yup

[hearty turtle]

Should I take tinkerer then for shredder?

[unreal forge]

grenade tinkerer is indeed good

I'd take it if I can afford it

[past stratus]

Krak takes forever to go off, only has two charges which fucks the economy with other grenade generating talents, it is generally just a clunky blitz

[hearty turtle]

Best keystone?

[warm schooner]

depends

[past stratus]

it's between WS and Focus imo

[unreal forge]

depends on your weapon

[past stratus]

idk about this keystoneless build I never tried it

[hearty turtle]

What about top of tree leading to grenade?

[unreal forge]

I haven't played Veteran in Havoc in forever but when I do this is probably what I will run with PGun and DS

[warm schooner]

interesting

[sharp ingot]

what counts as an armored enemy for the krak penance?

[hearty turtle]

How's this so far? Got 2 points left

[warm schooner]

if you're going right side for first tier, definitely need out for blood

the reload speed is w.e

for plasma anyways

[past stratus]

I'd change rending strikes and kill zone to get trench Fighter

and yeah, you need out for blood

[hollow ibex]

you should always take one toughness recovery talent from the top

in this case, o4b like sahgress said

and guildwriter

[warm schooner]

stam regen boost or marksman are decent pickups, rending strikes is kinda meh tbh

sort of depends if you want to shoot more or melee more

[hollow ibex]

if for plasma yeah would skip rending

[hearty turtle]

Using power sword and will be swapping between Recon and Bolt gun, depending on what I feel like using

[warm schooner]

oh then definitely go down to trench fighter

power sword without trench fighter feels so damn slow

[hollow ibex]

ehh

[past stratus]

this is my usual generic build if I want Survivalist. The last 5 points is whatever you want

[hollow ibex]

i think psword is one of the melee weapons that's actually ok to take without trench fighter

[warm schooner]

I mean you can

[hearty turtle]

It's fast

[warm schooner]

I'm just saying from a personal feel perspective

especially in combo with WS

[past stratus]

with Plasma I like to go Focus Target but that's just me

[warm schooner]

but I tend to play more melee heavy when I play plasma

because I find plasma to be wretched to use

[hollow ibex]

fair

[warm schooner]

so melee fun takes the edge off

[past stratus]

idk how people play without melee talents, even with the PSword it feels like shit to play without Trench Fighter

even in Auric Maelstrom I spend most of my time in melee as well, only pulling a ranged weapon to deal with dangerous targets safely

[hearty turtle]

So no rending strikes? I was following bath.rawr's guide for recon

[warm schooner]

I'd drop it personally and get something else

it's worth labbing to see why some of us say that

[tall torrent]

I am still in Japan

It got patched

[hearty turtle]

I didn't know that

[past stratus]

if you go keystoneless you can probably get rending strikes

[hearty turtle]

Is it recommended?

[past stratus]

bath knows his stuff so maybe there is some synergy with it, in my part. I went to the psykharium and hit shit with Rending strikes

and it didn't feel worth it

[hearty turtle]

Is it a good idea going keystoneless?

[warm schooner]

it can work depending on what you want to do

[hollow ibex]

for recon it's fine

for most other builds, keystone still has good value

[warm schooner]

a lot of vets don't like the keystones

and with how far you have to invest to get them, it makes sense

[past stratus]

I think that if you're new to veteran you should use keytstones and understand how they work

before jumping into specific builds like that, but that's just me

[unreal forge]

focus target just always seems good to me

everything that leads down to it is good

[past stratus]

I think so too, Focus Target also helps cultivating a good habit of tagging dangerous stuff

[hollow ibex]

yeah FT's just good with everything

generic damage boost mfer

[gilded rock]

It stacks so fast that you really don't need to wait

[past stratus]

playing like that just isn't worth imo. I used to hate FT for that exact same reason

but it is not worth it

[gilded rock]

Especially combo'd with Target Down or whatever it is that gives even more damage on marked kill

[past stratus]

just use your stacks

holding on to stacks is a bad habit

[hearty turtle]

Any infiltrate builds?

I just wanna use it to get the pen

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

this is prob my fav infil build

[past stratus]

while we're at that, I want to say that I think WS is one of the best keystones in the game because it rewards you for swapping between melee and ranged depending on the situation. Which is a good way to wire your brain even when playing with different classes

[gilded rock]

No field improv, twinned, or lethal proximity or a fragging build

This makes me sad

[hollow ibex]

because it's an infil fragger, and vet can't afford to have a good infil build and also fragmax

it already has the fragging essentials anyway

[tall torrent]

💀 crazy

[hollow ibex]

yeah FM and tinkerer are luxuries

which can't be afforded on most builds

[past stratus]

tinker is really good for grenade builds right? Idk about twinned though

[gilded rock]

Field improv isn't that cracked but it's good anti-corruption in Havocs and is a lot of fun to plop an ammo crate down and go "fuck you die fuck you die" to a whole room with radius-boosted shredders

Definitely not always optimal to take them but always more fun

I love gambling bros...

[past stratus]

is it? I went to the Psykhanium to throw grenades and my rate was around 1 twinned every 12 or so grenades

[hollow ibex]

yeah i definitely think so

[past stratus]

that for me is... a meme.

[hollow ibex]

hard to afford it

[past stratus]

I rather get anything else

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk about ha40

[hearty turtle]

@hollow ibex and how does one play it effectively?

[gilded rock]

I mean it's a 1 in 5 chance

Decent unless you're unlucky

[past stratus]

🤷 maybe I am unlucky

[tall torrent]

It kinda is and kinda isn’t
Because u will usually throw 2 frags at a time which has a 36% chance to work at least once between those 2 frags

[past stratus]

I rather not spend one very important talent point in a very taxed class

to gamble

[warm schooner]

I mean demolition team is a gamba

[hollow ibex]

basically this, except you use the shotgun to blast elites and clear hordes. the DB is a very strong horde clear gun on this build, because you take manstopper for infi cleave and flechette to proc bleed on everything you hit with infi cleave

and flechette procing will kill most specialists if the shot doesn't kill them

and then spam nades when you want

i think it's already mandatory in auric tbh

if you're using frags

maybe even kraks

fair to pass on it with smokes

nah

def good enough

look bro, i still main aurics lol

[steep flower]

Lets play a game; guess weapons used by classes present in the scoreboard

[warm schooner]

why make us guess your psyker weapons

[steep flower]

cause they make the build i use

[past stratus]

damn Evelyn did a lot of boss damage

[steep flower]

slow enought to achieve victory

[sudden cedar]

Very out of character for me

At least in those Havoc games

Slow and steady wins the race.

[warm schooner]

those 4 deaths probably slowed things down too

[sudden cedar]

You could be right about that.

[keen stone]

Bursters goes boom

[past stratus]

ever since arby I feel like everyone and their mom is a havoc 40 gamer

it became the standard game mode

[sudden cedar]

Wasn't the only thing that went boom.

[past stratus]

instead of the hardest difficulty

lmao

[warm schooner]

dunno man, the majority of arbies I see in h40 party finder are kinda clueless

[sudden cedar]

A lot of people are clueless in H40

[warm schooner]

well yes

[atomic void]

nah just a bunch of people exploited the bug

[past stratus]

sometimes I see people come here for advice and people throwing them some H40 wisdom and think to myself "this guy is probably leveling or playing some regular heresy games and we're information dumping him"

[atomic void]

old trees vs new trees

havoc on release was meant to be the mode that stresses the meta and challenges the people who want to min max everything and break the game

ogryn and arbi justr happen to be released post havoc with better trees

new ogryn**

[steep flower]

the only bubbles i accept are the ones in my bathtub

[sudden cedar]

Veteran could always just run smokes..

[atomic void]

also it is meant to be unfair, havoc is supposed to be unfair cbt bullshit that forces u to sweat for the entire game

[unreal nova]

1 in 12 is pretty lucky. Lul.

[atomic void]

it just so happens that older trees had a clear meta

[past stratus]

Never play gachas, Karien. 😔

[sudden cedar]

Depends on your team.

[atomic void]

i like the new varied trees but balancing for havoc kinda breaks the point of havoc

[past stratus]

oh Reginald is live doing a podcast of sorts about balance, if anyone cares about it

[warm schooner]

I dunno if it's balancing for havoc so much as balancing for a majority of the playerbase that wants to feel effective without really understanding what is going on

[past stratus]

with Mr E

[gilded rock]

killing a crusher in three fast hits

now this is awesome

[hollow ibex]

Arbi maul really is the DS of Arbi lol

[unreal nova]

I just need to save for pity. It'll be fine.

[marble bridge]

isn’t vet’s whole problem that the one viable build is aoe spam

[past stratus]

💸

[tall torrent]

Lv40 veteran would fix a lot of the tree’s problems unironically

[unreal nova]

Save. Means I don't spend. Do you think I'm made of money?

[warm schooner]

only one viable build

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s so much more complex than that

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

Point is, we are so taxed we need at least 7 free points.

[long dove]

Ugh failing at havoc 20

Damn sniper gauntlet and daemonhosts

[warm schooner]

I refuse to play party finder havoc that have either lights out or sniper gauntlet due to people's brains collectively shutting down when there is vision reduction

[gilded rock]

Or you can just stun, practically on-demand

[tall torrent]

Like, if ur vet rework plan isn’t at least 4 pages long in its most simplified form, something is wrong

[atomic void]

its giga strong but i like it cause it encourages good habits
heavy light mix for single target, push attack into 2 heavies then a light for hordes
just makes u play the game "proper"

[unreal nova]

But Path, it could be, remove all the taxes and put them baseline, make everything more open to picking and fix longshot asap. Oh and buff most nodes.

[formal hamlet]

There a place where I can check the optimal perk/blessing choices for all weapons so I don't need to keep asking?

[honest quiver]

her ass is NOT awake!!!!

[past stratus]

taking a little nap before killing heretics

[formal hamlet]

I'm pushing to power up my power sword.

[long dove]

Also the in the party, the only one surviving to literally face the world and pick us up is the Arbite

[atomic void]

depends on the weapon
when u play a crusher or a relic blade mark 10 you're doing AOEs by mashing lights so the push attack is high dmg single target

[gilded rock]

Alternatively, the Push is doing stagger in front of you so you can afford to do a single target attack at one specific guy with the PA

I think it is still a good idea conceptually

[atomic void]

^^^^

[gilded rock]

Fair enough, I see your point

[unreal nova]

Yay, another 60 pull pity char.

[past stratus]

😭

masochist

[unreal nova]

At least I got Damion now to the collection.

[long dove]

I just got thrown by a mutant into a chaos spawn who then picked me up and threw me into a buster that killed me

Just fuck me in particular I guess

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-smurfs-playing-catch-toss-the-ball-pass-it-around-smurf-village-gif-19633201

[long dove]

Pretty much

[past stratus]

Genshin? I don't play gachas because I consider myself not lucky enough to lmao

[long dove]

I love when a sniper shoots me but I wasn't in the laser

[past stratus]

also my favorite mutie combo is throw into fire into trapper

[slender crown]

cutthroat voicelines keeping the class alive in my heart of hearts

[unreal nova]

No. My GF plays that. I play AFKJourney.

[long dove]

I play Azur Lane

[past stratus]

ohh I played afkJourney for a while, not anymore

[crimson mica]

Did the game get boring?

[unreal nova]

Pay2Win? VERY.

Get ready to wallet for every Hypo and Cele to even get on the leaderboard now.

And they better be Paragon 4.

So you need to Paragon 3 like half the roster.

So... Tens of thousands unless you are blessed by the goddess of luck.

[marble bridge]

see azur lane is goat because you could semi-reasonably get to the peak of everything at a vaguely similar rate to whales while being f2p*

*just need to occasionally buy character slots or get used to deleting them

[unreal nova]

60 per pity. 40 for cele/Hypo pull BUT those are limited paid monthly so GL fighting older whales.

[past stratus]

in my case I just didn't get very invested in it. I don't like gacha because I tend to be unlucky with that sort of thing in games

I started because my friends played it

[unreal nova]

You get 1 Cele/Hypo to supreme+ every season at best, if you are on a dead server to be able to sit on at least top 50 PvP every month.

Or for some reason you have a PvP comp.

Though GL with actual whales, you just get stomped.

I legit only have 3 since the starter year was pitiful hell.

Minmaxxed into Reiner, Pharesto and Twins.

Though my Twins is Paragon 1.

[long dove]

Yup!

Not even out of the first room of the 21 level and 2 minibosses spawm

2 of us are already dead lmao

[gilded rock]

Star Rail is a pretty damn good gacha, and you can easily get away with playing F2P

Turn based combat that's actually fun

[unreal nova]

If you aren't shipping Hanya x Sparkle... Or Fei Xiao x Robin... I stare.

No, I do not care if it's crackship.

[marble bridge]

it being hoyoslop means it sucks tho

[long dove]

Anyone wanna do some havoc?

[fallen fiber]

I've spent most of my time playing the other classes. I just leveled a vet to 30 but I didn't really enjoy it. What am I missing? Why does vet feel so inferior to the other classes?

[unreal nova]

Because they are. Vet NEEDS a rework and a buff in general.

[long dove]

I still love Vet

[narrow widget]

because he lowk is

compared to arbites, ogryn, and zealot, he has relatively little toughness regen/survivability, which might be the issue you're running into

cuz you need kills and shout

[unreal nova]

And since 3 classes usually outdamage and clear so fast, GL with your toughness.

[long dove]

I thought Vet had the best toughness?

[narrow widget]

now its arbites

[unreal nova]

If you paid for Arby... You won't think so.

[narrow widget]

bro regains toughness for doing literally anything

[unreal nova]

15% Toughness regen per sec passively.

[narrow widget]

same for ogryn except ogryn actually needs to hit melee attacks

[long dove]

I have Arby's, I played it a bit but Vet still feels the most comfortable with me.

[narrow widget]

if there are no chaff enemies, good luck getting toughness back as vet

[fallen fiber]

I also feel like I do more ranged damage with the other classes. I thought that was what Vet was all about

[unreal nova]

My teammates hurt me more than enemies.

Because they shoot barrels and boomers like idiots.

[narrow widget]

yea play vet as a hybrid class

hes like slightly more ranged based zealot

[long dove]

Anyone wanna do some games together ?

[narrow widget]

im out of town rn cant

[civic apex]

its such a joke that arb and ogryn exist with the other three classes

[narrow widget]

arby and ogryn need nerfs rn

[fallen fiber]

Or the other classes need buffs

[narrow widget]

rumbler, flame staff, and dueling sword as well

[narrow widget]

hell nah more buffs would ruin the game rn

if they buffed to arby level

[civic apex]

there is like no skill expression

[unreal forge]

lol no they wouldnt

[civic apex]

you literally just spam cc

[unreal forge]

this is such a doomer way to look at the game

it's unrealistic and pessimistic

it's not nearly as "on life support" as people imply it is

[narrow widget]

bro with arby's and ogryn its literally just a walking simulator to the end of the level

[unreal forge]

it isn't, you're just unrealistic

[unreal nova]

You realised the current oggy spam is because of Dueling sword, right?

[unreal forge]

there's no oggy spam

[unreal nova]

Chaos oggy.

THe enemy.

[narrow widget]

crusher/bulwark spam

[unreal nova]

1-2 get 4 poked by DS4 with 0 talents.

[unreal forge]

there's a lot of things to deal with them

blaming DS4 exclusively is weird

[fallen fiber]

Well I wanna give Vet a bit more time for me to find something I love. Anyone have a recommended build that is at least on par?

[unreal nova]

Zealots deleted them in a fraction of a sec.

[unreal forge]

not that I think oggy spam is bad

[civic apex]

the cc is the biggest problem

[unreal nova]

I'm talking about OLD DT.

Where it wasn't 50 million oggies.

[civic apex]

taunt literally disabling flamers, grenadiers, ranged enemies that aren't "gunners"

[narrow widget]

rest of the tree is up to you

[unreal forge]

what's that veteran line, "forget the past, focus on the now" or something like that

game isn't going back to pre-patch 13

it's a horde shooter, turned into a horde shooter at least

[tropic notch]

vets the buildTM

[narrow widget]

the build™

[unreal nova]

Still, Oggies need a hard nerf.

[narrow widget]

i say up to you but 99% of the time you just end up going down the bottom right path for weapon specialist anyway

[unreal nova]

THey have no downsides unless you are a BAD player.

[unreal forge]

ogryn has downsides

[narrow widget]

their like 2 downsides are disablers and ranged enemies

[unreal forge]

slower than everyone, bigger hitbox than everyone

[unreal nova]

Heavy stubber ALONE, 0 talents, do as much as a MINMAXXED vet.

[unreal forge]

one of his ranged weapons stands out

the rest are mediocre

heavy stubber does not compete with Vet, what the fuck?

[unreal nova]

And don't get anyone started on Rumbler.

[unreal nova]

1 hit breakpoints.

[unreal forge]

you have to slow yourself down to shit, you get tons of recoil, it has no cleave and it does MUCH less damage than Vet

[civic apex]

recoil is a joke

[unreal forge]

and if you use the surgical meme to hit breakpoints you just become even slower

[civic apex]

why even consider recoil

[unreal forge]

ah yes just hold ADS for a full second before every shot, entirely reasonable and works dude

[narrow widget]

i dont play much oggy but surgical??? meme????

[unreal forge]

just as good as a Veteran spamming M1 and doing triple your damage

[civic apex]

-65% ammo in havoc kinda prevents vet from doing that

[unreal forge]

like, what world you live in? heavy stubber better than vet?

[unreal forge]

it doesn't

not with the plasma gun

[civic apex]

it works if the whole team lets you have ammo

[unreal forge]

with ammo regen and your teammates giving you ammo because your weapon is the best weapon, you won't run dry for doing your job

[unreal nova]

Lol, no. Tell me you don't play oggy by that. I have seen Meleegryn shooting down gunner waves on a mostly left build.

[unreal forge]

I'll do you one better, use Ripper Mk5. Heavy Stubber is dogshit

better ammo, much faster on the action, good hipfire, good minimum pellet count

still extremely mediocre

[unreal nova]

So you expect everyone to babysit your ammo needs.

[civic apex]

literally not a soul is using ripper

[unreal forge]

all of Ogryn's ranged weapons are D tier and then there's Rumbler at Godlike-tier

[civic apex]

heavy stubber is not bad

[unreal nova]

Okay, guy who thinks he's the god emperor to get like 95% of the world to serve him.

[unreal forge]

there's a clear design vision, Ogryn is supposed to suck at long range

[civic apex]

most of the game is played at close range all the time

[unreal forge]

you play this game much?

[civic apex]

yes

[unreal forge]

Gunners existing at further than 20m with a horde covering them is the main use case of ranged weapons

[unreal nova]

The thing is, the H Stubber does the long range thing as well as the avg minmaxxed meta build vet.

[atomic void]

the sniper is peak

unironically

[unreal forge]

lack of long range capability is a noticeable downside

[unreal nova]

For 0 talent cost.

[civic apex]

heavy stubber has no problems dealing with the gunners

[unreal forge]

VT2 has classes with no ranged weapons because in that game it is feasible to not rely on ranged weapons. Why didn't they copy that for Darktide? Because by design you are supposed to fight at long range, and you do

[unreal nova]

Maybe 1, if you like the brace toughness regen.

[civic apex]

taunt literally disables every ranged enemy except for gunners and heavy stubber can deal with the gunners

[narrow widget]

by design its supposed to be a more hybridized melee ranged playstyle than vt2

[unreal forge]

let's look at heavy stubber
low DPS high recoil low ammo low movement speed weapon
let's look at plasma gun
high DPS insane ammo economy good movement speed fast swap speed

[narrow widget]

most encounters still occur at melee

[unreal forge]

YES dude the exact same as Vet

[narrow widget]

wrong message vro

[civic apex]

it gets you roughly 100 gunner kills with its whole ammo

[unreal forge]

it doesn't

and any time you are spending shooting gunners is time you are not spending doing your job

which is a frontliner, not a gunner hunter

[narrow widget]

but like vet gets mogged by arby at both melee and ranged lowk bc of the high minimum pellet count on mk3/mk8 shotgun

[unreal forge]

you get your buffs from melee, not from shooting

[civic apex]

you still can clear the whole horde better and also deal with gunners

[unreal forge]

I've actually played a lot with the Heavy Stubber, and I've played a lot of Veteran

Heavy Stubber does not replace a Veteran in Havoc

not even close

[unreal nova]

Can you solo mulch mixed hordes as easy? No.

[unreal forge]

I've tried it, I was frustrated with teammates not killing gunners, but Ogryn is just not built for it

[unreal nova]

Oggies just spam and mixed horde dies.

[unreal forge]

It's almost like Ogryn is a 11 foot tall frontliner and that's his job

and Veteran is a guy with a gun that stands behind the Ogryn

[unreal nova]

The stubber clears gunners/snipers/bombers fine in 1-2 shots.

[narrow widget]

who gets replaced by arby insanely easily

[unreal forge]

which is why I went back to Veteran for my then-Havoc grinding

[unreal forge]

False meme from Reginald

[unreal nova]

Vet can shoot stuff, will die to 10 crushers and 6 maulers.

[unreal forge]

Reginald showed footage of him taking 3 seconds to kill 1 sniper from 40m away in Auric
it's just a bad faith argument and bias

[civic apex]

there literally aren't enough ranged enemies

[narrow widget]

bro i 2 tap gunners at range with a shotgun

[unreal nova]

If shout is down, even then, it buys you whatever the knock down time to clear.

[unreal forge]

sorry man my 4 frags?

my VoC with 15 second golden toughness?

my dueling sword 2 shotting the crushers?

[unreal nova]

Do it while cornered.

[unreal forge]

frags and VOC are supposed to get you out of corners

[shy raft]

This is the biggest lie ever lmao

[unreal forge]

you're not supposed to get cornered, in the first place

[unreal nova]

And if you still have 'nades, you probably either got lucky... or you aren't throwing enough.

[civic apex]

if we are going to use teh best stuff then rumbler ogryn can be compared

[shy raft]

VoC vet with dueling sword and a certain keystone makes it on par with zealot in close combat

[unreal forge]

and again, you are claiming that Veteran is le underpowered because he's not a frontliner, even though he's not supposed to be a frontliner

[narrow widget]

we're comparing them to oggy/arby

[unreal nova]

Fine, Let's just Rumbler.

[unreal forge]

Veteran's job isn't to deal with the Crushers, every other class is better at this

[unreal nova]

You want broken BS, we go broken BS.

[unreal forge]

even better, now you suck even harder at dealing with Gunners

[unreal nova]

Thing bullies everything, kills everything. Bosses just melt like nothing.

[unreal forge]

now you are even more vulnerable to sparsely placed groups of Gunners

[shy raft]

Vet needs shave the damn tax nodes

[unreal nova]

And if you think you are getting all ammo, let's assume the oggy also gets all ammo.

[unreal forge]

Rumbler Ogryn still relies on the Veteran to kill Gunners

[narrow widget]

i agree with this take actually
classes need to go back to having defined roles in the team comp

[civic apex]

there are a select few environments where the gunners can be that dispersed

[civic apex]

arbitrator and ogryn can do everything

[unreal forge]

They do, I think it's mostly Zealot that doesn't. Ogryn and Arbitrator being newer designs do this much better

[shy raft]

Rumbler ogryn with chained toughness perk and mk4 cleaver do not relies even the emperor

[past stratus]

why are we yapping about ogryn?

[narrow widget]

if we're talking rumblergryn he just plops a shot into the gunner horde and suppresses them, then runs in

[unreal forge]

just wondering are you guys arguing for Aurics or Havoc

[shy raft]

diving into 20 crushers 50 gunners and 20 ragers in havoc with cleaver, only to survive with full toughness

[unreal forge]

because "horde of gunners" makes it sound a lot like Auric

[unreal nova]

Because guy says Oggy doesn't need nerfs.

[unreal forge]

Ogryn doesn't need nerfs, Rumbler and Bully Club do I believe

[past stratus]

ahhh

[unreal nova]

And Vet is as tanky, can handle everything just as well.

[unreal forge]

I think his tree is fine

[unreal forge]

.

exact opposite of what you just claimed I said

[unreal nova]

Yes, and an Oggy can do EVERYTHING.

[unreal forge]

he can't

[past stratus]

I've been hearing to Mr E and Reginald yap but I haven't really registered much but here is what they think about Ogryn's talents

[unreal nova]

Ask actually high tier players on it.

[narrow widget]

i think oggy tree has some overtuned spots but taking some numbers down a notch and nerfing rumbler/bully club imo is the right way to go

[unreal forge]

throwing a rock to kill a gunner 50 meters away is possible yes
this isn't the same level of efficiency as a Veteran with a long range weapon killing a gunner from 50 meters away

[unreal nova]

They are the ones luling and using Heavy Stubber in a Bullyclub build to do everything and carry people.

[unreal forge]

Veteran still excels at what he is supposed to, but the problem is that only his The Build™ does this well

[ember nest]

what is "dodge linger"

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the problem for vet rn is hes in competition with arby

[unreal nova]

When you dodge, you count as dodging for a tiny bit after. Oggies do not get it. You can get a node to increase it on Arby.

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who does what he wants to do but better in almost every respect

[past stratus]

it's an internal mechanic that dictates how long you get protection from enemies after dodging. It is like i-frames but not exactly i-frames. All classes has different linger values. With Vet being one of the lowest with Psyker and Zealot being the highest

[unreal forge]

probably

[ember nest]

he is bardin ranger without any of the things that make bardin ranger good in competition with footknight

now ask yourself which class would be better just off of that info alone lol

[unreal nova]

Even if we talk Lone Wulf Arby, he has Lone Wulf, which for 1 talent, grants about 8 talents worths on Vet tree.

And it trades the dog, which vet doesn't get at all.

[unreal forge]

it's Fatshark

they want DLC classes to be S tier

always have

[ember nest]

no

[unreal forge]

every DLC class in VT2 is S tier, even after nerfs

at the end of the day it is a videogame and people enjoy having a class that is assuredly fun as Arbites

the bang for their buck

I think Fatshark looks at Darktide as more of a videogame than many of their diehard fans do

when dogbleed was a thing for all of 2 days, some guy in Arbites chat was crying about dog being overpowered for 12 hours straight. That's how much Darktide means to his life, I guess

[round crystal]

"The Build?" Is this the build you are talking about?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6283d8-7b9e-4906-b9a1-c0a5dec2ec6c/peak-performance-h40

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ik its highly highly likely that we wont see a large enough arby nerf in the forseeable future im just coping

[ember nest]

if vt2 is anything to go by, any changes to it won't be the kind of "nuke" some people seem to want

[unreal forge]

and like, why are so many people like this? Do you not play anything else? Why does a triviality such as the slight improper balance of a videogame change your mood so drastically?

I believe Fatshark is much more grounded in reality

[past stratus]

this is what they think Arby needs to change

[unreal nova]

Still, is why I'm saying, Oggy is still way better in good hands.

[unreal forge]

They wanted players to get to do cool things and if it is overpowered for a while it's not the end of the world

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what the hell is this

[round crystal]

..Peak

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[past stratus]

listening to them list every toughness regen and defense that arbites has is pretty ridiculous

[unreal nova]

Because it's actually hilarious on lower diffs.

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brother this is a chat in the discord server of the game we are talking about

[unreal nova]

My teammmates do more damage to me than enemies.

[unreal forge]

What about buffing his non-dog blitzes so they're actually worth taking when you don't have grenade regen

which is a general problem for every class really

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guarantee you i would not be coping this hard in any other server

[unreal nova]

By lower, I mean aurics.

[unreal forge]

not having grenade regen sucks!!!

[civic apex]

its not slight

[unreal forge]

It's much smaller than the world-ending "1 hour playtime player beat havoc 40 blindfolded because he picked Arbites"

[civic apex]

no its not world ending

no one is saying that

[unreal forge]

watch people like Reginald and Mr. E stream and they keep dying and losing despite, for some reason, picking the meta every single run

hypocrisy at its finest

it's pride most of all

[past stratus]

you're the most upset here

[civic apex]

i dont watch other people play the game who aren't submitting an important run

[past stratus]

you've been spamming this chat my guy

lmao

[unreal forge]

I'm not mad, I just yap a lot

[civic apex]

lets focus on just the game

[past stratus]

plus Mr E and Reginald are of the idea that other classes should be brought up

[unreal forge]

are u not?

[past stratus]

I don't really care about anything other than fixing Vet to be fun

[unreal forge]

you're awesome

[unreal nova]

Because he would be banned for inciting a war or something. been in some servers before.

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i think vet, zealot, psyker should be looked at
i think arby/oggy should also be looked at (in a negative way)

[past stratus]

I think Arbites is ridiculous and it was extremely boring to level my ogryn during the Arbites patch

but eventually it all fall into place, it is one patch

[unreal nova]

More or less. Psykers still the best of the older classes. Could still do with a rework due to certain stupid node placements.

[civic apex]

i mean i know the mister e dude just uses a shit ton of book spam w/ double cdr lol

[unreal forge]

dude there was a stream featuring Reginald during the early-access Arbitrator period, where he was being his usual condescending self, about "Martyrdom Zealot is extremely good and you are terrible if you can't make it work"
he proceeded to die 10 times playing Martyrdom Zealot

nonetheless he will preach endlessly in his videos about Marty Zealot being good and will claim he beats H40 blinfolded with that keystone

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17 fucking stat nodes

[round crystal]

I thought martyrdom was just for thunder hammer meme builds?

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[civic apex]

i think marty is fine

[unreal forge]

Regardless of how good you are, the negative is a huge negative

[hearty panther]

the tdr being additive also pretty nice

[civic apex]

if you don't want to be rewarded for being great at the game, that is strange

marty should be strong

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GOOD

GREAT EVEN

[unreal nova]

Thus, certain stupid node placements. Souldrinker on the melee/shooty side is the most questionable one. Other the swapping weapon speed on the staffker side... >_>

[unreal forge]

Martyrdom is a good concept but I think it needs expanding to it... as does the rest of the Zealot tree, so saying this is redundant

that is a good point

yeahhh

Zealot gets powerspikes

compared to Ogryn and Arbites, where they get their power sprinkled throughout their trees

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i feel bad for zealot players ong

[unreal forge]

wdyt of the idea that second life should just be Zealot's class iconic instead of a talent?

[unreal nova]

There's a joke about Zealot builds. If they aren't taking those and calling their build meta... They karked up.

[unreal forge]

I like the idea that survivalist should be Vet's class iconic and not an aura

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🙏

i wish fire team was better

[unreal nova]

[unreal nova]

Because, tell me what the heck does taking cover do when you just get shot to heck supposedly behind cover?

[unreal forge]

I had that idea and like, that's just insane no?

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nade regen and other ammo economy stuff should be extreme investments imo

[unreal forge]

the fact he doesn't even get a damage resistance while peeking is insaaaane

one every 90 sec would be great but yeah doesn't sound op

[civic apex]

I also don’t like arb being so strong b/c it’s a generalist

[hearty panther]

20% chance on any elite or special kill for ogryn nade sounds fine

[unreal nova]

This is why the innate is basically useless and worthless. If it gave you high supression resist and some TDR, sure, I guess.

[civic apex]

That sounds ridiculous

[hearty panther]

what nooo

its totally fine

[civic apex]

Oh it was satire

[unreal nova]

But it's like, They can ALREADY shoot me when I'm behind it for full damage, and if I peek... Well, i get shot even more.

[hearty panther]

think of the booms

one for each hand!

[civic apex]

Give one to the vet too while you’re at it😂

[hearty panther]

ogryn live dream of being rambo and unpin grenades with teeth

[crimson pebble]

tbh the box grenade hardly ever actually kills anything more so just throws everything around and you can only keep 1 frag at a time

[hearty panther]

did it overlap with the new trees?

i only recall yeah

stun nades

[unreal nova]

You mean the 20 sec 'nade regen ontop of the current, yes.

4 'nades a min passively...

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vro they literally made superman
Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!!!

[unreal nova]

Except the target of the box... If you hit specific enemies. XD

[unreal forge]

Arb is undeniably more fun than the not-overpowered classes too

FACTUAL

[civic apex]

I would like arb a lot if it was more real based

[unreal nova]

The only char that could beat an Arby is oggy... But then you need a skilled Oggy.

[civic apex]

B/c crusher bolter was fun

[unreal forge]

if people actually cared for OP and not fun, Ogryn would be the most played instead of least played

[unreal nova]

Bad ones crumble anyway...

[civic apex]

Ogryn is 2nd most played rn

And was most played b4 arb

[unreal nova]

Ppl play OP.

[civic apex]

Arb would become the weakest if there was havoc 100

[unreal forge]

is there a source for this

[ember nest]

someone drop the ogryn truth nuke gif

[unreal nova]

And Vet doesn't feel OP.

[civic apex]

Anecdotal😎

[unreal nova]

You feel pointless and a mobile dispenser.

[unreal forge]

don't find that to be true at all

I see more of every other class than Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Dogs and oggies took all your bleed kills anyway.

Since long CD, long enough delay on frags.

[unreal forge]

you should start keeping track of the amount of classes that request to join your games, excluding Arbites

[civic apex]

Mine might be skewed, I only play h40

I don’t let arbs into my games

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"hi please let me join I play arb"

[civic apex]

And one ogryn at most

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https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[barren girder]

how come

[unreal nova]

I wanna know how stupid taunt nuncio would be like.

[civic apex]

They usually suck

And playing with bad people who also don’t play with the team is annoying

Arb does not give a fuck about a team

[barren girder]

doubt theyre any worse than my psyker but i do play with the team (by necessity 💀 )

[civic apex]

Psyker I feel is very easy to play in h40

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average psyker getting hit once

[civic apex]

Playing zealot very well (not book bitch) or vet is probably the hardest

[unreal nova]

What psyker?

[civic apex]

Vent is also pretty chill

Scrier’s is definitely harder

If I’m running book I don’t want to spam it. Mainly doing it if ledges are easy or important on the map

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honestly vet just kinda vibes and gets value bc survivalist
its harder to outperform other classes (((arby))) but like he's still gonna be in meta teams just for survivalist

well survivalist demo team

but like

[civic apex]

You can keep up w/ zel melee and also do another job w/ vet

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tru

[civic apex]

Vet has a lot of tools with THE BUILD which is nice

[hollow ibex]

feel like vet has one build in havoc lol

[civic apex]

You can mimic a zealot with ds which I believe has a consensus of being problematic

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it just feels so bad when I get to swing like 3 times and go back to swinging a wet noodle

yea

[unreal nova]

Because they never fixed the, if you get hit while attacking, the blade turns off.

[civic apex]

It’s if you get slammed

[unreal nova]

Like they didn't bother with the.

if you block an attack, CaB and that other one also turns off.

[barren girder]

speaking of relic blade - is the activation meant to be used during any horde or just mixed hordes?

[civic apex]

Mixed

[barren girder]

ooooh

thanks!

[civic apex]

If it’s rampaging it’s okay to power for any horde

[barren girder]

contempalting picking up my zealot again but the weapons dont have my interest too much

[hollow ibex]

are we counting bruisers as trash too

[unreal nova]

It's still usable in general while you wait for it to cool.

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dps isn't a problem but it doesn't feel good