veteran-class

[red robin]

12.5 m?

[placid shoal]

ok

[red robin]

Idk man, that tends to be the close range number, but don’t take my word for it

[ember nest]

I have seen some silly things from like really good players

[placid shoal]

right on, I'll just stick to infernus set up, likely somewhere near there

[past stratus]

I think Vet's problem isn't how much you can squeeze out of the class but how you do it. There is one (1) really good build that does a really good job even in higher difficulties. And to get it you must go a very specific pathway avoiding a lot of bait talents that are there just to bait you. And even then with that very good build, you still have to know how to play and be very careful. Idk about others but it gets tiring after a while.

[red robin]

Me forgoing years of dodge instincts just to aura farm overhead parries with the claw (I died again)

[open ravine]

I feel mortis infiltrate buff should be added to the skill as a permanent buff. Having infiltrate provide a brief team stealth and allow for melee in stealth is great

[ember nest]

Zealots hunting you as we speak

I can hear the charging thunder hammers

Ur bout to get backshots buddy

[strange crow]

Bet will do

[past stratus]

Stealth in a team game where everyone has to kill their share of baddies to progress properly is just counter productive

I stealth, my share of baddies collapses on my team mate.

[unreal nova]

Heh. But yeah. Is like what if the psyker inquisitor set but you get serious and drop the second coat.

[open ravine]

Stealth thummer zealot are extinct I swear

[ember nest]

You still see them in auric but much like me

[red robin]

If I use infiltrate, I 100% double down on killing every elite or special I can to compensate for aggro loss

[ember nest]

They are probably penance farming

[past stratus]

yeah but it wouldn't just be nicer if you pulled a gun and killed the same elite without the loss of aggro? Or send your immortal furry missile (dog) to kill it?

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/its-me-anastasia-coats-off-gif-15100217

[red robin]

Yeah, sometimes I just want to ignore chaff and not melee them to just play ranged simulator more

[past stratus]

You risk a team mate getting overwhelmed so you can go stealth and do ONE (1) big attack on ONE (1) elite. In a game that you constantly get overwhelmed by 20 elites at the same time?

[red robin]

It’s also a matter of principle to not be shout vet every game and change it up by using a poorly designed ability (infiltrate)

[ember nest]

As far as zealots go they'll usually outweigh the downsides by actually murdering the elite and chaining it over and over

[past stratus]

I understand how cool stealth can be for the stealthing player, I just think it is a shit mechanic on horde games

[ember nest]

Vet has too much downtime between infils imo unless I'm missing smth

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/meerlaughs-imunbotherd-funny-gif-10476253793517125475

Me

[ember nest]

If it allowed you to like hunt crusher packs

Or to systematically exterminate all the specials

It would be peak

[red robin]

Honestly infiltrate is just free obj clear

[ember nest]

But it doesnt

It just lets you- yeah

[red robin]

But like good team mates trivializes that

[ember nest]

It lets you do the minigames without effort if ur team is dog

[red robin]

I kinda just like infiltrate just on weapon specialist double barrel

Every other weapon feels mid with infiltrate

[past stratus]

it's a fun ability I don't think anyone would say otherwise

it is just not good

for the overall game

[red robin]

Nothing is good compared to shout

[past stratus]

I mean stealth in general not just vet

[red robin]

Build variety, I’m praying for youuuu!!

[past stratus]

stealth Zealots were the most obnoxious thing in existence

[unreal nova]

What gud teammates sometimes?

[past stratus]

it is fun for the stealthing guy that gets to larp as the metal gear man

[red robin]

It’s fun to fuck over my team, I think they have had it good for too long

[unreal nova]

I would like 3 dogs as teammates. They play better than the 3 Arbys.

[past stratus]

bro is on a mission while his team gets destroyed lmao

[red robin]

Infiltrate gives the same energy as the unemployed friend on a side quest type beat

[placid shoal]

perhaps hyperbole but does anyone ever feel more lag on vet than the other classes?

[past stratus]

it essentially is that

[ember nest]

Not rlly

[red robin]

Love ranged latency of hitting headshots 1-3 times before getting a kill on las pistol

Or hit head and get bodyshot

[placid shoal]

sometimes I'll shout and it'll come out what feels like almost a whole second later

[unreal nova]

I am not joking. When you hear dogs jumping on chaff about to hit you, you know the gud puppos all deserve pats.

While 300 ping minigame cos nobody wants to do it fun.

[red robin]

You pick your dedicated server to be closest to you?

Idk man

[placid shoal]

ya idk

[red robin]

I’ve never experienced a whole second of input latency

But I don’t doubt its existence

[unreal nova]

It don't matter, shout isn't on a crap delay or anything. There's just a slight castpoint if you understand DOTA2 terms.

[red robin]

Explain it to me in league of legends terms

Who’s shaco jungle in this situation

[ember nest]

Playing arbites and then going back to psyker has made me genuinely paranoid

[unreal nova]

That game is what turnrates and what castpoints last I heard so...

[ember nest]

The frequency in which the dog said "no" to some random poxer in an otherwise empty room

[unreal nova]

Ah, reminds me of first game on vet after like 4 days of Arby. I potato'd on vet for the first time in forever.

Forgot I can't just bs block stuff and still 10% toughness regen per sec.

[narrow widget]

arbi just like
blinks and regens 120% toughness

[unreal nova]

Is more, but still.

[ember nest]

Basically

Ogryn
Arbi
Psyker
Zel

All feel incredibly rewarded for doing their core stuff

Zel has talents that give u toughness and reduction on dodge

And a ton of melee toughness

Etc

Crits that stack into more crits

Vet has to like go out of its way to fufill specific circumstances, it feels like

Tech ically u can take that one perk that, if you shoot someone to death, people around it get toughness

But like

[unreal nova]

No work on self unlike the arby ver.

[narrow widget]

I like went back from arbi to vet and had the wildest experience like "damn I played like that???"

[past stratus]

I always take that talent because I feel like the best choices for veteran are often team based

and this might be a hot take but I'd like Veteran to be a class that has strong team support options

but a lot of the coherency shit is just poopoo

[red robin]

True

[ember nest]

Wait really

Its ONLY teamates????

[scenic basin]

Recon seems to struggle with damage in havoc. Any advice?

[hollow ibex]

use dumdum instead of hh

run an actual melee weapon

don't use onslaught

[scenic basin]

What are good options against carapace then? besides dueling sword

Anything with uncanny strike I assume

And what to go for instead of onslaught? Marksman focus?

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[hollow ibex]

for havoc?

psword

taxe is also good, lower dps but very safe due to excellent mobility

[hollow ibex]

MMF is basically worthless with recon, try going center with FT

try your best to take redirect fire, and don't take 8 stacks

[ember nest]

Thats so stupid man why

Nvm

Old school dt tax

I keep forgetting that vet is a relic

[scenic basin]

Mobility is dump stat for psword right?

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets

ps dodge is bad enough as it is

[scenic basin]

also what's the set up for it? Power cycler + slaughterer/sunder? also what mark and perks?

[unreal nova]

More or less.

[hollow ibex]

pc4 + brumentum is the best. or pc4 + sunder.

for havoc prob carapace elite

might get you two shot crusher breakpoint

but would double check that

[unreal nova]

I wouldn't even complain if vet got a reduced ver due to easier to proc, but nothing.

[ember nest]

Dump cleave on ps because it already has a ton of it + brutal momentum, right?

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets just barely makes a difference so yeah it's the dump

[ember nest]

Ty

[scenic basin]

Why brutal momentum? don't energized hits already have infinte cleave unless hitting carapace?

[hollow ibex]

no they don't have infinite cleave, it's something like 10 cleave

brumentum also helps with cleave damage distribution

sunder if you want to cleave everything, but you end up doing less damage overall

because brumentum is silly strong

[scenic basin]

So something like this? Not sure about what mk to choose

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's good, though would test breakpoints for crushers

and you'll want mk6

for light spam horde clea

and PA + L for single target

and for block cancel

and for bonus sprint efficiency

[unreal nova]

If only no power cycler tax.

Bromemtum and sunder.

[hollow ibex]

oof that'd be insane

[unreal nova]

IKR.

[past stratus]

brutal momentum makes it so you can slice through 5 crushers

[hollow ibex]

imagine if you could

[past stratus]

yeah that would be nice

but a bit broken

[scenic basin]

On release Psword had 3 energized hits by default. power cycler extended it to 7

But then zealots complained

[hoary gorge]

is it just me or does the progenium-issue backpack use the wrong material for the leather bits

They're reflective like metal

[unreal nova]

When they 1 tapped bosses then?

[sleek garden]

I use sunder over brutal momentum because I hate crushers

[sleek garden]

Maybe they're coated in something waterproof

[hoary gorge]

it's inconsistent with all other leather in the game, must be a material issue

[past stratus]

too much nurgle heretical goo made it shiny in an icky way

[unreal nova]

Ping kitefin to ask her to check.

[scenic basin]

vEt sHoUlD bE RaNGed FocUSed

[narrow widget]

1 swing take it or leave it

[scenic basin]

aNd NOt hHave GoOd MelEE

[past stratus]

Range focus in horde games :)

that surely works

[unreal nova]

Such smurt.

[narrow widget]

worked for WWZ

[hoary gorge]

@icy flume could you check that pretty please

Aslo check the stygian kantrael mk IVG flak helmet , the goggle mesh is busted in such a weird way

[past stratus]

I want Vet to have a support three part

side

or whatever

let me shout more

[unreal nova]

I think ppl think L4D too much.

[hollow ibex]

it's ironic because vet's def a hybrid now

[sleek garden]

Autogun

It's like using the m16 in l4d

Range focus achieved

[past stratus]

autogun goes clink clink clink against carapace

I just hope that if they ever rework vet, they make it so their coherency talents are actually good and worth getting

since they insist in it

[narrow widget]

rework coherency so it's actually usable half the time

[past stratus]

it's expensive points you put into it for drip sized buffs currently

in havoc games people stick together so coherency works, it is just vet talents are so stingy. Pay a whole ass talent for some tiny buff

[ember nest]

Veterans getting toughness sustain by playing the game normally would be great

[past stratus]

idk man, when it comes to toughness regeneration I think Vet and Zealot are good examples. Everyone else that seems to be overtuned on it

Arby gains toughness for just breathing

[ember nest]

Do u want a ton of crit on relic blade? Press the ability button and swing into a crowed or proc rage

Now with the correct talents crit enemies bleed, all your wideass swings make more shit bleed cause you get more crits on bleeding things, and it just feedback loops forever

[past stratus]

I don't think that is how everyone should be

[ember nest]

Zealot also gains toughness just by breathing

Just not as rediculously as arby

[past stratus]

Zealot gains toughness by being in combat, it is thematic and not infalible as Arby

[ember nest]

Indeed, thats what I mean

[faint beacon]

Issue

Arby can generate toughness by sprinting or pushing the air

Everyone else besides Ogryn and Psyker cannot

[ember nest]

^

[past stratus]

I keep telling you that I see arbys fighting in gas clouds

full toughness

that ain right

[faint beacon]

DR

[ember nest]

I mean I can kinda do that on vet too but I need shout

[faint beacon]

And toughness regen

[faint beacon]

You need to be running CK

Shout

[ember nest]

Shout procs and I get into a decent melee im fine

Arbites can do it w/o that

[faint beacon]

And killing every single elite you see

[ember nest]

Yep

[faint beacon]

Vs Arby who just

Clicks

[narrow widget]

arbys wading through flamers, bombers, and tox with no repercussions

[unreal nova]

Hug puppo. No hug puppo and puppo mauling? Regen.

[ember nest]

As for zealot I don't tend to care abt tox as long as there's shit to hit in the cloud

[unreal nova]

Do note I run forceful.

[ember nest]

If there isn't then I must leave the cloud

[grand perch]

that moment when youre trying to pick someone up who ledged himself while in stealth, and someone else stands in the exact same spot and doesnt understand he's not the one picking the guy up. then a mutant grabs you cause he made it go there

naturally ledged guy died

[faint beacon]

Kill people who don’t assist in clearly easy saves

Also Arby Shield and Ogryn shield plant has proven to be useful to save people after I shield planted and let our veteran revive Bumner without immediately getting torn to shreds

H40

[cloud thunder]

Rebreather

[past stratus]

yeah I know

I still don't know the difference between regular shield blocking and special shield blocking on Ogryn

I thought it could bounce off shit like muties or other knockout effects

but not really

[hollow ibex]

not sure what you're talking about, i nearly lost all my toughness here 😦

[ember nest]

I don't quite think popping ur ult to walk down a burning hall is quite the same

As an arby not popping ult and just fighting shit while on fire

And still living

[hollow ibex]

i don't think you can do this with any other class tho

without taking hp damage

[narrow widget]

truly a travesty
they should give arby gold toughness on castigator stance

[barren girder]

need that node nuked from the game on god

[ember nest]

Thats a node vet should have

[pastel yew]

eh if someone wants to spend a point to not take easily avoidable tox gas

so be it

[ember nest]

🥺

[barren girder]

way too many arbiters in my lobbies causing team wipes by assuming everyone else has it

[pastel yew]

there is basically no future in which I take this

[barren girder]

and rushing through the damn gas

separating the team

[pastel yew]

I mean depends... outside of havoc? splitting doesnt matter

[barren girder]

...it is in havoc

[pastel yew]

mmh

then my argument would be if they're that bad they'd have just fucked up in some other way ;p

[barren girder]

also tend to notice arbiters as most likely to run through fires

[pastel yew]

I've not done any arbites havoc yet

idk if I Want to until they get adjusted

if they even do

[barren girder]

based

[pastel yew]

I hate how much stagger they have

this is kind of an interesting point in time as

we already see people leaving negative reviews because of plasmagun, ds nerfs...

I wonder how bad they'd freak if arbites got nerfed

I don't think their damage is that nutty its just part of their stagger that gives mad boosts. if they had less stagger they wouldnt be able to ignore the game

[barren girder]

helldivers and its consequences have been disastrous for the co-op horde genre

[pastel yew]

yeahh

[livid cape]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

I had made this comment somewhere but

[barren girder]

https://tenor.com/view/theodore-kaczynski-ted-kaczynski-gif-22081042

[pastel yew]

I feel like casual players are way too catered to

its to the point where the tiny sliver of difficulty left in the game will get erroded and they'll think you're a buzzkill for calling for balance

like bro

you can play a lower difficulty

there are literally a billion turbo shitter difficulties that are completely unused

[hollow ibex]

true

[barren girder]

have a friend who mains arbiter and got h40 and almost has true survivor after 2 weeks of playin

im worried theyll never try other classes bc of how much easier arby is

[pastel yew]

LOL

I wouldnt be so concerned

different things appeal to different people

I tend not to play complex characters out of the box when I play hard games either

lets you get the basics down then swap to something more fun (veteran)

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah, who was it that wanted MM?

[pastel yew]

I dont really care how challenging the game is for others though, so long as it's not making my experience worse

[unreal nova]

I even had supper and washed up.

[barren girder]

in havoc 40
"im worried i have a lot of bad habits i need to work on that arbiter lets me get away with"
"try a diff class then, zealot should help round out your melee game"
"no"

[pastel yew]

tbf

zealot still has

melee training wheels on too

just not as bad

[barren girder]

yup

thats why i suggested it

smoother change

[pastel yew]

mmh thats fair yeah

[barren girder]

not gonna suggest psyk and vet to an arby main skdjskdj

[unreal nova]

Notifs don't tell me reeeeeeeeeeee

[barren girder]

i main psyker and have given up on gettin true surv

[pastel yew]

scammed

[barren girder]

dying is a peril of the warp

[pastel yew]

you'll get it eventually

just like

statistically

[barren girder]

....i do wanna try running WS DB on havoc now tho

[unreal nova]

No. I offered to help someone before cooking.

[pastel yew]

how is the double barrel post buff?

[barren girder]

apparently it can reach purg staff levels

[past stratus]

guys I know the Rebreather talent, I just think it is not balanced and trivializes one of the most deadly enemies in the game

[pastel yew]

check your message history

[unreal nova]

But that person isn't showing up there.

That's the problem.

[pastel yew]

I gotta admit, I don't agree

or

I agree it trivializes them

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/ryu-street-fighter-ryu-from-streets-zoobe-shoto-gif-1026716298201644779

[pastel yew]

I just dont agree that they're hyper deadly

[past stratus]

also don't get me started on how the Rebreather is standard issue Astra Militarum equipment and Vet should have it as well

[pastel yew]

anyone wearing a gasmask cosmetic

gets it

no talent required

this is the way

[past stratus]

imagine cosmetics having impact in gameplay

crazy world

[pastel yew]

get everyone to cover those hideous darktide faces

its a win win

[past stratus]

also just because skilled players learn how to position and avoid gas bombers doesn't stop them from being deadly. Tox Bombers are deadly in lower skill gameplay

[past stratus]

which makes Rebreather even worse because Arby players don't learn how to deal with it

[pastel yew]

average darktide squad without gasmasks....

[pastel yew]

there is something to be said here for sure

but to me it comes down to "does this effect me" and the answer is not really

or perhaps just marginally compared to arbites mega stunlock

idk why they didnt just have... high damage melee and a separate high stun stagger melee

why combine em

[unreal nova]

I can get on now if you are still up.

[past stratus]

it affects me directly when I hop in to do a chill regular Auric, got thrown into a pre-made group with 3 arbys spamming voice chat as they W key through the map and die in the first 5 minutes.

[pastel yew]

you just gotta change your perspective, enter the temple

this is a learning experience, you're about to doom guy

[past stratus]

Shift+W key into death, into a heated argument in VC

😵‍💫

[unreal nova]

Manual searching pain.

[pastel yew]

yeaaaa

at least discord has some search filtering which is nice but

still no fun

I still feel grumpy theres no mid point between hav40 and auric maelstrom

I just want a casual q thats hard

[narrow widget]

WDYM I CANT JUST RUN INTO THE CRUSHER OVERHEAD

[unreal nova]

Yep. But still gotta see if he needs it still.

[pastel yew]

imagine not being able to tank like 4 crusher overheads

[barren girder]

true combo

[pastel yew]

literal pleb classes

they cant even breath in the fart gas

inferior rebreather designs

[past stratus]

also I like the difficulties as is, if you're too good for maelstrom then that's just the price you pay for being an elite gamer

suffering from success

[pastel yew]

I mean its just worth recognising that when this stuff was added it was a lot harder

and power creep has steadily made these things easier over time

some of that is me getting better sure, but I've still some terrible habits

power creep is also almost guaranteed to get worse

since more people are calling for vet and such to be buffed up to ogryn arbites level

[past stratus]

good thing that you're a Veteran and you can challenge yourself by playing the Squigly mode

[pastel yew]

dont you think it just

[past stratus]

this one here.

[pastel yew]

feels a little weird that most of the games difficulties exist for no reason

beyond playin once or twice as you level

[tame lodge]

Imagine getting overheaded

[pastel yew]

worm build

[tame lodge]

This post was brought to you by the dodging gang

[real lynx]

me taking this perk and just tanking them instead of dodging to get value out of the perk

[tame lodge]

Shadow dodging money gang

We love dodging hits

[pastel yew]

dodging is something I used to do, now I aura farm... uno reverse the crusher one shot by face tanking it and then exploding them

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-dracula-graham-mctavish-castlevania-indestructible-gif-10189213848515819736

[past stratus]

if you clear havoc 40 on squigly mode you get the right to negative review the game saying it is too easy, catering to casuals, shit game. Do not buy

[pastel yew]

tbf catering to casuals is very much true regardless of who says it

[tame lodge]

I will not fall for propaganda

[pastel yew]

it took them almost two years

almost TWO YEARS

to nerf the plasma gun

and in that time they BUFFED it

things have only ever been made stronger for the most part

[pastel yew]

what... you actually want to play a game? like... where you input things and... get rewarded based on your action rather than because of arbitrary node selection in your skill tree?

https://tenor.com/view/seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-14039051

disgusting

[tame lodge]

An entire talent tree located in your kitchen?

[pastel yew]

mm'yess

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[pastel yew]

no my builds are far too potent for you

the world isnt ready for stam max deadshot meta

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-ahh-dog-gif-4024709941344493127

[pastel yew]

they should add

imperial assassin class..

squishier than psyker

better single target than veteran

give me 1 hit point and mad defensive options

[past stratus]

only if I can be an Eversor and kill my own teamates in a fit of rage before I die of heart attack from all of the chems they injected in me for the mission

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/witness-rage-mad-max-gif-4527107021531365595

[junior grail]

New Vet ability

EXECUTE

• Downs an ally but buffing the whole team for the whole run

[past stratus]

true comissar build 😌

[ember nest]

Is that zudah head

@junior grail

[junior grail]

Oho recognised

[ember nest]

Peak 🗣️

[pastel yew]

only downs ??.... let me straight up remove someone from the match

each player killed n kicked buffs the team

[junior grail]

That's a normal game with randos

[midnight totem]

truth

my negative review for darktide stays until they fix the shop

[pastel yew]

fix? it aint broken... it's working as intended :3

minimal effort & quality for the maximum price

[midnight totem]

People fix shit that ain't broke all the time

[pastel yew]

I did like everyone getting so hyped about the free funny money from the last event

except it was like

500

which buys you precisely fuck and all

[hollow ibex]

one discounted skin

[faint beacon]

Hey you can buy the knife skin for…. Uhmmm

400

[unreal nova]

You mean 900?

[faint beacon]

Istfg it was 400

It’s literally just the knife in red and black that’s it lmao

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[livid hill]

Yeah lmao. I might actually

It would be fun

[barren girder]

is survivalist mandatory in havoc or is it fine to run move speed aura there too so i still have access to agile engagement?

[tame lodge]

It's fine without it

Just don't go trigger happy

[marble moat]

Does lethal proximity also I creas AOE for frags?

[past stratus]

Has FS ever mention why they made the bots in DT so soulless and useless?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[serene bough]

nothing is mandatory per se but survivalist is unequivocally the best aura you could pick for havoc

you can path through the other auras to get agile engagement better, but unless you're running with a full squad already, people will expect you to bring surv

[graceful moon]

god i hate doing the 90% penance with randoms

[red robin]

Revolver/Plasma and pick easy shots

Spec for a strong melee vet with invis for gap closing or shout if you just want to face roll your way through

If you see another vet with survivalist then damn idk what to say mang

[barren girder]

is there anything as ammo positive as helbore? i remember trying recon but i dont think i was going whole missions without picking up ammo tins the way i am on helbore lmao

[hollow ibex]

i think it's the most ammo efficient gun in the game

[barren girder]

sick

im still not sure what build people use to reach 1 hs breakpoint for crushers tho, unless exe stance really is necessary for that

[hollow ibex]

ES will make a big difference

and then FT or MMF prob

[barren girder]

so i really gotta two tap if i dont wanna run ES?

not the worst thing in the world tho, being able to whittle down crusher/mauler packs at range even without straight up killing is great

[hollow ibex]

yeah prob

i mean the 1 tap is a bit of a meme anyway

[barren girder]

gotcha

[uneven cedar]

Does For The Emperor proc when Infiltrate is used or when Infiltrate's stealth ends?

[barren girder]

still probs gonna run the brown mark since 3a cant pen cara

[hollow ibex]

could use armor bane

[barren girder]

maybe when the rewards from this week's havoc kick in, im back to being diamantine broke lmfao

i do have another helbore ready for testing mk3a more though

[marble bridge]

how throwing is this?

for recon las shenanigans

[hollow ibex]

why mmf

[marble bridge]

i dont especially like wspec and the 2 points wouldnt really get me much else i care for

[hollow ibex]

mmf is borderline useless

with recon

you can just go keystoneless

esp if you're going to dump a bunch of points into onslaught

you can also drop determined

[marble bridge]

because im gonna suppress them and not get shot at?

or its just bad

[heavy rover]

You can run vet keystone-less

[hollow ibex]

recon las doesn't really have suppression issues

unlike ilas

[heavy rover]

Like you can assign those points to grenade talents

Gives you more breathing room when you spam grenades at your feet

[marble bridge]

ill try it then

[tame lodge]

You don't need determined if you hold the trigger

Got enough rate of fire on the recon

[marble bridge]

then thats just grenadier vet and why am i trying to even make a different loadout lmfao

[tame lodge]

You suppress them back

[marble bridge]

true actually

[hollow ibex]

half the time you can just hipfire anyway

[heavy rover]

It's like that evolution meme. Instead of revert to crab, it's revert to grenadier vet

[strange crow]

Sorry I fell asleep, lmk if you're still down

[marble bridge]

i am very specifically trying not to just make another grenadier vet lol

if i wanted to spam my grenades i'd play smyker

[sonic pecan]

did they fix veteran today'

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-drinking-christopher-reeve-whiskey-johnnie-walker-gif-19913817

[sonic pecan]

alright then back to sleep i go

[hollow ibex]

keep sleeping

[past stratus]

Focus Target is so nice with the Recon

[long dove]

how do you know when you get the Havoc rewards?

[tame lodge]

You have to claim them

Every Sunday

[narrow widget]

once per week visit the havoc terminal and the reward cache will open

showering you with all the plasteel and diamantine you could ever want

[long dove]

Yay

I'm new to havoc sorry

Is recon with dueling Saber or psword with plasma better to run?

[safe kestrel]

They make medicine that forces a coma now

[tame lodge]

If we are talking havoc
Power sword+ ranged of preference

Is the best choice

This havoc requires you to kill lots of things really fast

Psword is the best choice

[faint beacon]

Tactical Axe is right there also

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-calm-immune-bait-inverted-gif-581415801618242689

[faint beacon]

Can’t comprehend a good weapon when you see it

🚬

[barren girder]

another WS question: is it generally worth trying to keep 100% melee specialist uptime even if it chews through your ammo? i'd assume it would be for havoc especially when using shotties, but how about lower difficulties?

[faint beacon]

Not really honestly

Ranged is more worth it

Melee is just a nice touch

[barren girder]

so just have the stacks banked for when necessary, then whip out gun with buff

unless it's dense horde you really need to thin then shoot double barrel every time you get 3 stacks for guaranteed crit bleed?

[faint beacon]

Yup

Manstopper will delete a horde

[tame lodge]

looks inside
Capped
Low cleave

[barren girder]

for mixed horde it doesn't really fully kill ragers i noticed, but i assume the point there is to thin them out with the bleed to be able to shred them faster with the PS?

[tame lodge]

[long dove]

I'll experiment with both builds to see which I like more.

[faint beacon]

Staggers everything in the game baring monstrosities

🚬

[tame lodge]

ahem

The best stagger is death

ahem

ahem

Ugh I think there's something stuck

[faint beacon]

The shit ton of chaffe I’m killing and something Ermm

[tame lodge]

blah

hrurp

ACH

[faint beacon]

The elites getting knocked around whilst rapidly being whittled to death

Urrp

[tame lodge]

3 cleave lol

[faint beacon]

Can’t hear you blah blah blah

[tame lodge]

3 cap lol

[red robin]

What weapon yall referencing?

[unreal nova]

Well, I'm up atm.

[faint beacon]

Tactical Axe

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe

[red robin]

Zamnn

[barren cave]

Karsolas pickaxe is crazy

[red robin]

Any new tech on taxes?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[red robin]

With the changes?

[tame lodge]

Throw them on the trashcan

They made them more nimble

[red robin]

It’s so over

[tame lodge]

So you can attack from running

[red robin]

Neat

All it needs is charging heavy attack that speeds you up

Love little tech like that

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is now usable but still leaves a bad aftertaste

[red robin]

Or the swinging momentum speeds you up a bit

[faint beacon]

It has knife mobility and increased damage against carapace now

It’s good

[red robin]

Vt2 days of bret sword swinging to run around

[faint beacon]

Higui is just a hater

[tame lodge]

Because I'm right

[red robin]

If taxe ain’t right then imma be wrong

[barren girder]

just give it a shot and if you fw it use it

[faint beacon]

This is him

[barren girder]

too many things to take a grain of salt of on this discord ima be real

[red robin]

I like anything that I’ve haven’t gotten bored of

[barren cave]

What does the smoke nade do

I need to use it for the penance

Seems like it does nothing

[tame lodge]

It disrupts every ranged enemy with a gun
Dogs
And beast of nurgle

Just remember to stay inside the smokes

Depending on your surroundings

Makes you immune to flamers

[long dove]

I wish Chword was decent/ good in havoc

[faint beacon]

You can actually toss BM for Shred + HT

mainly if you're running the Push = 75% Cleave

Arby is like one of the only classes that can get away with that, its weird knowing they have a shit ton more options on Taxe cause of that Talent

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe is also capped

So with BM you get to damage 4

Truly a shit weapon

[past stratus]

I do not like the Taxe moveset

this is my daily taxe hate post

[hollow ibex]

buff taxe again

i like seeing taxe haters cope

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

^ me sipping the tears of taxe haters (which is of course, cheap lipton tea)

[past stratus]

no you see, I know the taxe is a decent weapon

I just don't like how it plays

the animations are fast and floaty

[tame lodge]

Unironically yes

Remove the cap then it's a good weapon

[hollow ibex]

honestly taxe is prob a bit too good rn even with the cap

[tame lodge]

Nah

Cap insta shit

[barren girder]

what source can i go to to check weapon caps

[tame lodge]

No exceptions

[tame lodge]

The Psykhanium

[barren girder]

oh theres no collated data sheet or w/e? damn

[hollow ibex]

what weapons even have caps now

just taxe heavies?

[midnight totem]

I don't hate tac axe

[tame lodge]

And chain axes

[midnight totem]

But axes are ugly

[hollow ibex]

oh right

i forgot about chaxes

[barren girder]

wait so taxe has a cap but combat axe doesn't? bruh

[hollow ibex]

Rashad effective has a cap

One of the others has like no cleave iirc

[tame lodge]

Achlys

All lights and h1

0.001 cleave

💀

[hollow ibex]

i think gale said it's good on arbi

and then antax is just a worse rashad

well actually they both prob are

but sounds like achlys has better synergies

with arbi

[barren girder]

yea i was wondering if i could just use taxe for WS DB when i dont feel like playing power sword since i find taxe performance better against carapace compared to rashad

[hollow ibex]

rashad should be able to 3-shot crushers

on vet

taxe is prob a bit slower

[barren girder]

huh, does it need crit?

i cant make it do that

[hollow ibex]

i think that's with one crit

which should be very easy with desperado

[barren girder]

hm

i'll play around with it when i can hop on later

[tall torrent]

Tac axe
Chainaxe

[tall torrent]

Combat axes have next to no cleave

[tall torrent]

Me (but I’m on vacation rn)

[hollow ibex]

yeah i forgot chaxe is a thing

[round crystal]

i love the chain axe

i mostly play auric though, am trying to break into havoc

[abstract sand]

do an auric maelstrom to unlock it

it will give you a higher starting havoc grade

[hollow ibex]

makes sense with all those buffs stacked

[tame lodge]

I was looking for a video like that recently

But it was Sneaky Cats one

Where they one shot like 5 crushers in a row

[past stratus]

When are getting peak melee in darktide? https://youtu.be/2qYJI_HLFsY?si=5Vwybg4CODQSOd2B

[marble bridge]

can we get actual pole weapons too

like the elf javelins or something

[civic apex]

You’ll have more auto guns and like it

:c

[calm shard]

tempted to engage in deranged behavior and drop both grenade regens on my exe stance infantry autogun build

[hollow ibex]

wtf

show me where syvat touched you

you poor man

[calm shard]

eh actually

probably not worth

those 2 points wouldn't go into anything substantial

[past stratus]

Are you dropping it for longshot and deadshot too?

[calm shard]

I already always use deadshot on exe builds

Not in melee often enough to have good uptime on it xd

[hollow ibex]

pro tip, don't take longshit

[past stratus]

Tell that to Syvat

[hollow ibex]

i prob already have

[civic apex]

The guns feel weird to use as the only dmg source

Most of the enemies die by melee anyways

[civic apex]

Mmmmm ammo

[calm shard]

nah

helbore IV

never grabbed an ammo tin

[civic apex]

Wild

Survivalist op

Nerf

[hollow ibex]

vet too op in general

nerf pls

[civic apex]

Nerf helbore buff arb

Arb needs inf cleave

[faint beacon]

its funny how long longshot has been bad and they just simply refuse to do anything with it

[past stratus]

oh I played with a John Warhammer before

Vet

[tame lodge]

Only then it'll stop being a mid class

🚬

[hollow ibex]

pay2lose class

[serene bough]

I still think the sensible balance option for vet is to nerf recon back to dogshit tier

[round crystal]

vet keystones should be scattered to replace the shit nodes

and replaced with heavy weapons keystones, like grenade launcher, volley gun, unique relic blade or powerfist + bolt pistol maybe. that are all usable for a small bit after combat ability

[unreal nova]

Commissar Raege.

[ember nest]

you want a relic blade

keystone

?

[round crystal]

wait wait hear me out

[hollow ibex]

turret keystone

[ember nest]

what's with people and turrets

[round crystal]

its one handed and paired with a bolt pistol. and you whip that bitch out with your combat ability

[unreal nova]

Engineer. Drop and no need to aim.

[ember nest]

okay but the're either going to be dogshit, or trivialize parts of the game. There's no happy medium w/ those.

[round crystal]

you're probably right

[unreal nova]

Do you not know Commissar Raege?

[round crystal]

uhhh, is that a tabletop character?

[unreal nova]

Probs like Outcast Engineer, if you know what you are doing. Game is now walking sim for the other 3.

[round crystal]

the only books ive read so far are siege of vraks and the gaunts ghosts series

[unreal nova]

No.

Very Hawt Commissar lady.

[sonic kayak]

That's Fuklaw's teacher, innit?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[sonic kayak]

That's some proper kultur right there

[unreal nova]

She's like immortal beauty.

Always think she runs Bistol+Powerfist and taught Fuklaw about it.

[round crystal]

its a cool combo. Have been dying waiting for vet content, I hope we get some cool new weapons soonish

and emperor willing, a skill tree rework

[hollow ibex]

by 2027, surely

[round crystal]

what year is it now

[past stratus]

hopium

[round crystal]

its all I've got

[civic apex]

Arbitrator is vet 2.0

You’ll lose it when you see zealot 2.0

[wide obsidian]

Thats what I told my friend

[ember nest]

eh

I just want a more meaningful turret stance (some heavy personal damage mitigation would do nicely) and something that makes infiltrate not a "get your buddies smacked by a crusher" button

[hollow ibex]

castigator but turret lol

[ember nest]

nah castigator's purpose is a bit different

That's more of a "you can't fuckign stop me" stance

[hollow ibex]

tbh you can already do castigator turret if you want

just stand still and blast things

[ember nest]

turret stance as in you are the turret
castigator's doesn't really give you much of a damage buff unless you somehow kill a ton of elites/specials during it

exe gives u a damage buff

[hollow ibex]

true

[civic apex]

Don’t really need a damage boost if you can two shot a pack of specials in h40

[ember nest]

so something like that that just gave you a decent amount of toughness DR and no flinch would be good because in the situations you want to use it, you're usually getting shot at

[civic apex]

Isn’t it the stagger that causes the primary aim troubles?

[ember nest]

like the enemies staggering or you staggering

[civic apex]

You getting staggered

[ember nest]

ye I think so

[civic apex]

You being suppressed is minimal

And the stagger stems from taking dmg

[ember nest]

you can take a perk that leaves you unsuprressed the whole time iirc

[civic apex]

The suppression is very hard to notice

On oneself

[ember nest]

I notice it when I get suppressed

[civic apex]

Ah, i find it not impactful on my aim

[past stratus]

suppress this

[ember nest]

?

[calm shard]

heavily weapon dependent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1326350550991896599/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.01.07_-_18.41.43.117.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=687452b5&is=68730135&hm=530e1ab2d78ab63b5c3b23997cc5142cb6af5c6422a7f8994141163655b5f91c& send help

[civic apex]

Oh I don’t really use the gun guns

[hollow ibex]

average guardsman experience

[past stratus]

what the heck I didn't remember the Ilas had such violent suppression

maybe the guy that picks the suppression immunity talent is right

[calm shard]

Ilas gets the worst of it

Genuinely unusable if you are being suppressed by anything

Iag is bad but managable at short range

bolter is irritating but usually doesn't matter

shotguns also get it pretty bad but who gives a shit their use case isn't against enemies that can suppress you anyways

[manic umbra]

What’s the build for taxe rn

Been sleeping on it for too long

[past stratus]

for any melee you just pick desperado and trench fighter

[manic umbra]

I mean blessings/perks*

And best mark

[tame lodge]

Keep sleeping

🗣️

It's just a casual melee build

[past stratus]

idk what it is but let me try to guess. Brutal Momentum + whatever the fuck

yeah the Hammer says Brutal Momentum + Headtaker

[hollow ibex]

mk7

perks i run unarmored + carapace

though tbh you could prob swap out carapace for something else

[hollow ibex]

and this

or HT + deci if you like to suffer

mk4 is also funny for the memes, but strictly worse

[grand pumice]

hows plasma gun?

[hollow ibex]

still very strong, still very boring

[grand pumice]

asking for friend whos a newb vet

[hollow ibex]

still a bitch to roll

[manic umbra]

never woulda thought i'd see taxe being meta

ish

[grand pumice]

elaborate on strong

[hollow ibex]

good damage, very good cleave, good mag econ, decent ammo econ, good breakpoints if built right

[grand pumice]

w

told him as much

[tall torrent]

Super strong but also the hardest weapon in the game to perfect roll

[past stratus]

I'm rolling with 60% thermal resistance on mine and it is not too bad

using optimized cooling

[hollow ibex]

best i got was a 70-70 after 2.5m to that scammer brunt

[calm shard]

I got mine in 2 minutes lol

the duality of darktide luck

And I don't even use it because I don't like the plasma gun

[fleet cloud]

Bomber resist includes those AOE fire pads as a result of their bombs right?

[calm shard]

did you need to ask in every single chat

pretty sure somebody coulda answered in any one of them

[fleet cloud]

yes

yes i did

[sly blaze]

How do yall feel about competitive Urge, i feel like its worth it in higher difficulty

[tall torrent]

Yes
But it doesn’t matter that much

[tall torrent]

It’s mid at best

[calm shard]

bad uptime, kinda okay buff

even in that high density it's not...great

[tame lodge]

It's alright but there's better choices

[sly blaze]

yeah i also feel that the uptime is not too great

[tame lodge]

It's there™

And it exists ™

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[sly blaze]

REAL

[past stratus]

isn't competitive urge like 2,5% chance to get a pretty underwhelming buff?

[tall torrent]

The buff itself is ok

But 2.5% chance on pure RNG, triggered exclusively by kills not by you, for a buff that lasts only 8s

Is pretty meh

If it wasn’t pure RNG (cumulative 2.5% chance up to 100%) and worked off ur own kills then it’d be good enough

[calm shard]

yeah I could make that work, especially if I was running double barrel

[flat cypress]

Does anyone have a good build for veteran my buddy’s playing it and has no clue what to do for his skill tree

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

has instructions on how the build is meant to be used

at the bottom

[round crystal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f60550a-6a7f-44cb-8d65-df7758febd63/veteran-squad-leaeder

[umbral scaffold]

It's nice to see some different weapons and skills compared to the usual ds plas voc build

Hopefully vet returns to its former glory soon

[calm shard]

I think it would be really funny if shock trooper worked on all weapons

Can you imagine infinite ammo bolter or infantry autogun

actually probably not hard to imagine them

becaues of helbore and recon lasgun xd

[tame lodge]

Or like

Mortis Trials

[grand perch]

this could have easily chosen a keystone

instead it gets competitive urge and extra suppression....right

[round crystal]

It has access to all three keystones if someone wanted to take one yes. If you really, really an extra 20% of damage after waiting 10 seconds, you are very welcome to go for focus target. Weapon master doesn't really add anything to this build, and neither does marksmans focus...

So yes. Competitive Urge which is basically always on in high intensity giving a constant +20% base damage, +20% melee impact, and +20% suppression was chosen instead. The extra suppression given by KTHD makes gunners and reapers a complete non issue.

[grand perch]

ngl giving up the steady bonus damage from ft and extra swing speed / fire rate bonus from WS to lean into meme mechanics like suppression and an infamously unreliable competitive urge is kind of crazy

[round crystal]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Feel free to run something different!

[hollow ibex]

i've seen worse on GL

[round crystal]

Frankly you could run that build with 5 or 6 nodes left over and be completely fine on Damnation / Auric

[warm schooner]

competitive urge is just odd

[round crystal]

it is odd

[grand perch]

for certain

[round crystal]

its basically a buff every 40 kills

[warm schooner]

it really doesn't proc as often as you might think

[round crystal]

no, but by law of averages, it usually will when you're in the thick of things. It's just for fun on a simple build

[warm schooner]

keystone is w.e, even marksman or some of the earlier talents makes more sense

or stamina regen delay reduction

more reliable, fires more often

marksman especially if you can reliably land weakpoint hits is nice

[round crystal]

brauto just doesn't make great use of that

[warm schooner]

since it works on melee or range

[round crystal]

its already going to delete anything at close range

chainaxe would for boss damage

but thats about it

Already 1 shot crushers with chaxe

reapers melt

[warm schooner]

killing bosses faster is not nothing

[round crystal]

true, but the build has regen kraks

[past stratus]

I think an important aspect of this conversation is that the keystones, no matter how janky still give you control over your gameplay. You do a thing and you receive your benefits. So you can plan your steps while you play and effectively deal with situations with those in mind.

it is not comparable to the gacha talent that has a small percentage of giving you a buff

not that I'm against anyone playing a gamba build, twinned blast, and all of that

just being pragmatic about it

[round crystal]

RNG is not preferred. Ideally, the veteran would have a tree more closely resembling the Arbitrators and we would be having a different conversation.

I am the author of that build, and I have already adjusted it to include your suggestions, it was just built that way originally because the build already had absolutely everything it needed for the difficulty it was created for.

The type of people willing to run brauto and chaxe at this point are not going to notice weakspot damage on shout.

[midnight totem]

Lol competitive urge, lmao

[tawny timber]

does not have grenade regen tho

[round crystal]

demo team is superior on high intensity shock troop.

[tawny timber]

"RNG is not preferred"

type shi

[round crystal]

Okay, you can take one grenade a minute, or chuck a couple of shredders in auric and get them back when they go off lol.

I don't think I'm wrong for suggesting that demo team is far superior. Not to mention, every time demo team gives you a nade, it resets the timer for demolition stockpile, meaning it will basically never trigger on higher difficulties.

[past stratus]

The problem of the build is lack of control on a class that is all about control. Veteran is not a run and gun, plug and play type of class. In higher difficulties you have to be very aware of all the steps you take to engage combat. If you take a mistep, it is very likely that you might get punished. So knowing that once I swap from my sword with 10 stacks of WS, I have a guaranteed crit and knowing that with my current setup a crit from my Bistol will 100% kill a gunner. Means that I can plan my actions to get rid of that gunner for sure, based on only my own ability to perform the task (hitting the shot)

[round crystal]

That has never been my experience with that build.

[past stratus]

maybe you're a god gamer, who knows?

maybe you thrive in incertainty

built different or whatever

[round crystal]

It's the agripinaa braced.... it doesn't really need crits. neither does the chain axe

I know that if I charge a heavy, whatever it hits will die. If I shoot a group of enemies, they will get supressed, and then die..

why don't we all just run the plasma gun and dueling sword with WS, that'll be neat!

[tame lodge]

Too much single target

[past stratus]

I don't like Plasma gun with WS

FT is way more comfortable

[tame lodge]

Oh I wasn't talking about your build

That being said

[round crystal]

oh okay

[tame lodge]

Orestes 12

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-ahh-dog-gif-4024709941344493127

[round crystal]

what, you prefer the variant that chains on light attacks?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[round crystal]

fair

[tame lodge]

[round crystal]

this buiild is meant to be noob friendly

[tame lodge]

It can actually clear hordes (both still capped)

[round crystal]

Shovel is the only thing I can think of that might round it out better in melee

obv the plasma sword but those builds are already out there

and the dodge is not forgiving

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-without-lawyers-gif-11914569

a world without cleave damage distribution cap

[formal ice]

The world where Veteran got buffed (very unlikely to happen irl)

[grand perch]

no CDDC would buff hotshot veteran by a lot

[little path]

What I want is the LMG lasgun these traitor gunners havae

[round crystal]

would interfere with backpack cosmetics : (

probably a no go lol

would love the volley gun though

[little path]

Most backpacks look ugly anyway

[round crystal]

true

I want a power fist for vet unique weapon

[little path]

I think that would go on like

a sisters of battle class

[little path]

wtf

[round crystal]

guardsman def get em

[little path]

that's goofy as hell

Give me 4 marks

and only 1 is good

but yeah for me a true LMG weapon for guardsman would be nice

or a true DMR weapon

that isn't the lucius because the lucius is a pain in the ass to use

[round crystal]

I think the twin linked stubber the ogryn has was originally supposed to be an automatic vet weapon

its on our art, up in the top of the skill tree

lucius would benefit immensely from not being so slow to swap to ; (

I would love a long las, but this games balancing would make that so terrible

[little path]

also get rid of the charge mechanic

[ember nest]

I just want our fuckin hotshot las man

[round crystal]

yeah

I wanna cosplay the tanith 1st

[little path]

hope for hotshot/hellgun

and hotshot volley

[round crystal]

and more closed helmets

[little path]

wait no, they made hotshots and gellguns separate thhons now

[round crystal]

hotshot is basically like a plasma gun now right?

[ember nest]

no

[round crystal]

hotshot lasgun was armor piercing with a power pack

[ember nest]

depends on the mark

technically scab gunners use them

[round crystal]

hotshot volley gun?

or is that not a thing

also, for long las, they could make it a special ammo for infantry lasgun

like the special ammo for exterminator shotgun

thats how it works in lore anyways

[ember nest]

overcharge mechanics could be kinda neat

[round crystal]

Dan Abnett wrote Gaunts Ghosts, and is writing the story for Darktide. Wouldn't hurt to use some of his stuff

[little path]

okay okay

so now currently in official lore

[round crystal]

in that series, there are hotshot battery packs I think. they also have overcharge or undercharge on their lasguns

[little path]

hotshots and hells are kind of the same thing

[round crystal]

what are they now

[little path]

With names being interchangable OR based on pattern

[ember nest]

vets should be reworked to effectively allow for bootleg stormtroopers

[little path]

but overall basically just interchangable names

[ember nest]

that's more or less what we've become at this point

[little path]

so kasrkin

[ember nest]

kinda but more on the side of tempestus scions

[round crystal]

minus the carapace armor and heavy weapons

A Tempestus Scion in service to the Inquisition.

[ember nest]

we're doing shit as dangerous as they do, in less numbers

I think we're qualified

[round crystal]

sorry, hope images aren't a problem.

we are officially part of the warband at level 30 right?

[little path]

🤷

rannick is a fucking moron so uuuh

who knows

[ember nest]

from what the dialogue says yeah

but

the whole situation is

a little weird, just because of what grendyl's done

[round crystal]

grendel is a strange creature

[ember nest]

he's pressganged a lot of random mfs into this campaign

[little path]

we know who grendyl is now

[round crystal]

who be

[little path]

A ghost

[round crystal]

?

[little path]

he haunt the ship

[round crystal]

o i c

[ember nest]

we

[little path]

he is literally the ship

[ember nest]

that's

so funny

so we're crazy ass mfs running around and serving a strange ghostman who has...posessed brahm's ship?

this is why I like 40k

[little path]

Also he's the shipmitress brahms grand dad

he literally just keeps listing the ship in his kid's inheritence

[round crystal]

but if he's with a rogue trader

why does he care about / order around the inquisition

[little path]

so when one kid dies the ship is passed down to the next kid

and then uses the kid as a mouth piece/ puppet

by uuuh

being spooky at them I guess

[little path]

He is an official inquisitor.... we think

[round crystal]

i think..

[little path]

probably

[ember nest]

inquisitors be dedicated

[round crystal]

that grendel is zola

and it was a prank

but now its gone too far to back out

[ember nest]

she joined after though

like way after

[round crystal]

as far as we know

[ember nest]

you gotta remember that grendyl's been around for about as long as Morrow has

[little path]

but what if

[round crystal]

sure but zola is a genstealer

[little path]

zola is the god emperor

[ember nest]

which used to confused the shit out of me before the whole "Ghost" thing

[round crystal]

they can live for at least thirty years

[little path]

and has actually pretended this whole time

Yeah grendyl be a ghost

he might be in a spirit stone

[ember nest]

when u hear that the inquisitor that kidnapped morrow is grendyl's...friend

[little path]

like an eldar one

maybe

But yeah give us Hotshot/hellgun/Both as different guns. One being an LMG and other being DMR

also power fist

and then give ogryn just regular fists

like if you unequip your weapon you just throw hands

[ember nest]

I forsee this game getting slowly more rediculous as time goes on

I see the day when the chainsword somehow ends up in S teir

[round crystal]

i mean

chainsword is one of best horde clear in game, no?

[little path]

nu

[round crystal]

it just doesn't really do carapace

[ember nest]

uh

maybe the eviscerator

[round crystal]

not even