veteran-class

[gleaming viper]

cant decide where to put the last 2 points tho

[hollow ibex]

always drop 8 stack FT

and take redirect fire instead

[hollow ibex]

8 stack FT is a trap

[little path]

orange one gives just more damgae when you shout

5% grenades means more spamming grenades

[gleaming viper]

you think the grenade one is worth it vs just some more surviability

[narrow widget]

right side grab reciprocity
you honestly don't need the 8 stack FT subnode

[little path]

extra grenades IS survivability

[narrow widget]

demo team always worth it
more nades more better

[little path]

Drop em at your feet, it blows up and knocks everything around you down

[gleaming viper]

cos i feel like my nades are shit and hardly worth using

[little path]

then if any die from the explosion or bleed

Out for blood gives you toughness

[gleaming viper]

whys 8 FT a trap?

i figured itd be good for like bosses n shit

[orchid hemlock]

More nades

Deez

[narrow widget]

dt is a game where you want to constantly be switching targets, so having to wait extra seconds usually isn't worth the investment

[gleaming viper]

hm i havent unlocked max difficulty yet anyway so maybe its better in lower diffs where theres like only occasional tough ppl

[little path]

the main reason is that it's a okay boost in damage but it's also not a worthwhile one. There are better ways to boost damage

if you wanto to run it, run it

[gleaming viper]

nah u guys right

[little path]

any build works in all difficulties

only time you need to start running more "meta" builds is in the havoc game mode

[narrow widget]

they stagger so much so you can get out of sticky situations
also bleed good

[little path]

at like 20+

[gleaming viper]

idek what havoc is lol

[little path]

basically a ranked game mode

it's not very well balanced or good

This game IMO is most fun at auric difficulty where you can just have fun with whatever builds

[gleaming viper]

is there some trick to proccing the dodge perks

[little path]

dodge

[gleaming viper]

i read some ppl have like 100% uptime

[unreal nova]

Drop 2 and nearly everything is dead.

[narrow widget]

run in melee and just dodge

[gleaming viper]

but like im spamming dodge the whole time, but im also spamming melee so theyre all staggered and not attacking

[little path]

the dodge perks are super forgiving on "sucessful dodge"

just dodge

also getting shot at counts

if you dodge bullets that also works

[gleaming viper]

hm ok thanks

[little path]

the ""hyper meta"" build for vet is just this

[gleaming viper]

whats so meta about that

i thought the weapon swap shit sounds annoying

[little path]

but honestly run what's fun. Go for the middle keystone if you want to play as the squad commisar

it's only meta because of how the highest difficulties play

I don't mean auric which is the highest difficulty in normal game mode

I mean highest in havoc

the ranked mode

[gleaming viper]

right

[little path]

basically it spawns so many enemies

you will NEVER

[gleaming viper]

i kinda just assumed full left tree would be peak if all the enemies are elites and whatnot

[little path]

get time to sit back and shoot

[gleaming viper]

fair lol

[little path]

you will always be dodging, always be in melee, always be fighting

so whenever some elite or special or ogryn rolls up

you can whip out your plasma gun and dome them with the bonus damage

[gleaming viper]

right makes sense

[little path]

then go back to fighting the 4 million homeless people

[narrow widget]

infinite plasma ammo

[little path]

but yeah if you want to run the bonus damage on targeting an enemy, do it

[narrow widget]

also guaranteed crit

[little path]

be squad commissar, Run in with a bolt pistol or chainsword

grab all the ally buffing talents if you want

just have fun with the game more than anything else

I usually run most of the entire left tree

because you can turn lasguns into LMGs

with bottomless mags

[narrow widget]

sounds like someone needs to experience

[little path]

this is my favourite build

Run it with a recon lasgun and jsut nerver stop shooting

[unreal nova]

Chainsword sucks though.

[little path]

it's auric

just kill things

[gleaming viper]

haha like i dont fail damnation 50/50

[little path]

Yeah getting used to the gameplay loop can be tough at first

mainly it's the melee that trips people up

but once you get a flow down for melee it's a lot of fun

[gleaming viper]

i mean i despise the activate weapons

[little path]

oh yeah that

yeah most of them suck sadly

They're in some bad situations where a few heavy melee attacks will do more and better damage faster

[narrow widget]

Rashad is heavy oriented tho....

[little path]

SUcks that you can't enjoy sawing into the shell of a nice ripe crusher or mauler

[gleaming viper]

well

im using the power sword

[little path]

to get to the gooey creamy inside

because some infested goblin smacks you from behind

[gleaming viper]

but i still hate wack wack wack turn it on again wack wack wack

[unreal nova]

Still dook to use.

[little path]

Yeah people really want the powersword to be reworked

there's a newer recent weapon that the zealot got that people want on vet

[gleaming viper]

i also hate chainswords and the blaze force sword

[little path]

instead of turning it on then wack wack wack

[gleaming viper]

yea ive used that one

[little path]

it's turn on and the battery slowly overheats

[gleaming viper]

its nice

[little path]

they suffer from older design

[gleaming viper]

if the ping system only works on non-fodder

why doesnt the chainsword also only trigger on non-fodder

[little path]

before the game threw a billion enemies at you

[gleaming viper]

like with the chainsword and blaze force sword activating them makes them actively worse against most things

[little path]

yeaaaaaah

[gleaming viper]

yea i think im using the right stuff

[little path]

I wish they would add some minor buffs to them

[strange crow]

Even without that (which they honestly should have) chainsword would still suck

[gleaming viper]

idk how big of a deal 8% cleave is but its like the best i could get

[little path]

like when you saw into a carapace or flak it causes sparks that staggers dudes

[gleaming viper]

i dont understand why chain weapons arent just always on

or at least powerful when turned on

[little path]

original design problem

originally in the beta they were always turned OFF

like not even low power

you were just swinging a deactivated chainsword like a blunt object

[gleaming viper]

hm yea i have had that problem

[little path]

it wasn't until people complained how stupid that was that they slightly reworked it to be always on low power

[gleaming viper]

i came here like yesterday to ask about the mks and got told mk3 lol

[strange crow]

Mk6 is best melee vet weapon rn iirc

[gleaming viper]

i meant 3

[little path]

I mean it's fine

you can just switch it easily

[gleaming viper]

yea i know just seems to be conflicting information

[little path]

try out both real quick

see what you like

[strange crow]

If in doubt check with path.exe

[narrow widget]

dueling sword nerf hasn't come yet

[gleaming viper]

lol

[strange crow]

Hasn’t been top vet weapon for a while

[narrow widget]

u sure about that

[little path]

[strange crow]

Path has been pretty clear abt it

[gleaming viper]

is path a person

[strange crow]

Zealot gets much more utility out of it

[hollow ibex]

The guy who wrote the guide

[narrow widget]

doesn't mean it's automatically useless on vet

[strange crow]

Yeah he’s the creator of the bet guide and helps out with the other guides

[strange crow]

Bro when did I say that?

Instant strawmanning strat 💀

[narrow widget]

💀

should've worded that better ngl hold on lemme gather my words

[strange crow]

Ok nw

[little path]

what is it now?

[narrow widget]

it being more useful on zealot doesn't mean it's not still insane on vet

[little path]

combat axe?

People have been raving about those uuh

slightly

so not raving but saying thsoe are super strong

CHAIN AXE?

[strange crow]

Yeah I see what you’re saying, but for no investment power sword does better and if you dump the points for it knife is more potent

(According to path)

[gleaming viper]

thoughts on curios stats

now im lvl 30 i dont need xp on all of them

[strange crow]

Should prob get one health curio to get over 200 health and usually 2 toughness for vet to toughnessmaxx

[narrow widget]

stamina toughness toughness, or health toughness toughness

toughness, gunner resistance (on 2), combat ability regen

[strange crow]

Oh wait you meant for the perks

[narrow widget]

we toughnessmaxxing in here

[strange crow]

Prob want 3x 5% health rather than combat ability regen so you don’t have to have 2 health curios, no?

[hollow ibex]

i have 2x toughness and 1x hp

for more flexibility on curio perks

while hitting the 200 hp breakpoint

[gleaming viper]

yea mb

[little path]

I just run 3
-toughness
combat ability regen
toughness
gunner damage resist

[strange crow]

Wait I’m stupid u can hit 200hp with 1x health curio and no health perks?

[narrow widget]

counterpoint combat ability regen allows you to shout at least 2 seconds faster for more HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR action

[upper dock]

health, toughness, gunner damage resist seem to be the go-to. If you like shout spam replace something with combat ability regen

[hollow ibex]

i think you can with 1x hp, 3x hp perks

[strange crow]

Oh yeah that’s what I was saying

[little path]

curios are a lot lot more to taste

[strange crow]

Aka 33% of one elite kill lol

[narrow widget]

hell yeah

[little path]

only curio you always avoid is wounds

unless you're a zealot

[gleaming viper]

soo how come venting the plasma gun hurts me, but venting it instantly by removing the mag is totally safe

[narrow widget]

only thing I love more than toughnessmaxxing is shoutmaxxing

[little path]

fuck you, robot man says so

[upper dock]

3 stamina curios is the best

[little path]

how dare you question the design schematics

[strange crow]

Erm it acshually hurts you since your character clearly says “OW HOT HOT AHH”

[little path]

But also venting the plasmagun is entirely pointless

just never stop mashing LMB

[gleaming viper]

but that does vent it

[little path]

you cannot explode unless you use an overcharged shot while at nearly max heat

and overcharged shots are bad

because fatshark jankyness is at play again

though they did say that reworking the plasmagun was on their list of things to do

on the arbites release patchnotes

[strange crow]

The rework: making charged damage lower than uncharged damage

[little path]

We reworked the charged damage so now playesr won't get confused on which mode to actually use

charged shot now does 1 damage so players know to only use uncharged

I think they should just be more mindful of how it's implemented

[strange crow]

Isn't zealot getting a tree fix first?

Lord knows they need one

[little path]

on plasmagun it's fine

the idea is supposed to be that charged it up gives more heat etc for tradeoff

but the lucius should not be charged

or if they want to keep the charge on lucius

have it auto charge

[safe kestrel]

@gleaming viper no matter what you do just stick with veteran, if not one of the other original classes, until you’re got gud tier of get gud. Veteran is probably the most difficult class to play on high level. Mad respect to anyone sticking it out in its current state

[little path]

and when you shoot it brings it back down to low charge and it autocharges back up

so you can make the tradeoff of more rapid fire for lower damage

but y ou have to let it reset for max damage

[safe kestrel]

If you give up and Arby main you’ll never peak at the game because you won’t understand important mechanics

[gleaming viper]

i dont even own arby lol

[little path]

I wouldn't worry about arby

there's more broken classes

[safe kestrel]

Hats off again to the vet mains. I thought psyker was bad but the tree and game mechanic situation is rough for you guys

[little path]

arby is very strong and fun but not the most OP

[safe kestrel]

Ogryn probably is

[little path]

ogryn probably isn't

[hollow ibex]

ogryn keeps arby from being p2w 👍

[little path]

ogryn DEFINITELY is

[safe kestrel]

You have my respect for that

[hollow ibex]

i still think zealot's pretty strong tbh

problem is one build

[little path]

all the classes are very strong

[narrow widget]

every class got mogged by arby but good lord vet got target mogged

[strange crow]

Yeah but at least vet has most of a usable tree, zealot has like one and a half builds

[little path]

just a few hyper meta builds that work in high havoc is all

[safe kestrel]

It’s honestly how fucked up the devs decided to make things

[narrow widget]

"hmm which vet talents should we pillage today"

[safe kestrel]

I dead ass miss games with the original four classes now

[gleaming viper]

i dont really see the appeal of arby

some hideously ugly dog

and seemingly a bunch of random op stuff

[little path]

Slow walking tank fantasy

[safe kestrel]

I bought arby before playing vet for the first time. I look at this tree and feel shame wash over me

[gleaming viper]

whats up with the mace on arby

[little path]

grab shotgun, walk towards people, kapow

[narrow widget]

it's insanely strong

[gleaming viper]

i obviously havent tried it but that 1 handed mace seems to do more damage than like anything i have

[narrow widget]

like walk around and mash lights strong

[little path]

arby gets a shit load of damage for staggering enemies

and hitting staggered enemies

mace shocks AND staggers enemies

[gleaming viper]

and it also feels cheap like if im lining up a headshot or whatever then dog just go woof on it

[little path]

and you can slap on blessings to increase damage on shock and staggered enemies

so basically you get triple rewarded for staggering enemies

and rewarded for shocking them

[narrow widget]

trust in the emperor and pull the trigger faster

[little path]

All of arby's weapons are strong

shield and mace you can just nonstop push attack

and never be hit

[gleaming viper]

Also why they all look so generic

[little path]

it has so much stamina for pushing and blocking you can just hold W through a horde

[gleaming viper]

Toy soldier ahh

[little path]

they're based on judge dredd

[gleaming viper]

I can see that

[little path]

or more specifically judge dredd was orignally linked to warhammer

They are pretty mid

[safe kestrel]

You can always poach dog kills. We talk about it all the time lmao

[little path]

but it's a lot of fun if you run castigator with the ammo return talent

Just hold aim and walk through everything while shooting

never reload, never take damage, never stop advancing

[narrow widget]

a lot of arby boils down to
"I'm in a sticky situation, I press the win button, I leave unscathed"

[safe kestrel]

It kind of sucks. It’s more reasonable and functional to go bolt pistol or full spearhead

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

the shield's actually very good utility

[gleaming viper]

Why would I ever pick bolt pistol over spearhead

[hollow ibex]

the gun itself is kinda eh tho

[safe kestrel]

That little ass bistol and shield mag always fucks me up on clutches

[little path]

quick draw

[gleaming viper]

Like quicker draw or is there something I'm missing

[little path]

the bistol has some goofy blessing combos that lets you destroy dudes

[calm shard]

lethal proximity makes your grenade explosions bigger

[narrow widget]

nade vet uses lethal proximity puncture

[calm shard]

also unlike the bolter it doesn't take for goddamn ever to pull the thing out

[safe kestrel]

Nah I do that with pistol shield. If I miss because of a lazy shot I area attack and it lands. It’s that dumb proof

[calm shard]

No

Bolt Pistol is significantly worse than Bolter in just about every way

[hollow ibex]

bolter's a great DMR

[gleaming viper]

Why are there no chaos space marines to kill

[hollow ibex]

but most people just go monke mag dump with it

[little path]

take these two

[calm shard]

mag dumping it is a waste of ammo 99% of the time

[gleaming viper]

Does bleed do anything worthwhile

[little path]

turn bistol into a small area horde clear

Kill in area

[safe kestrel]

He’s not wrong. Spearhead is great when you finally get it out after a full weekend

[calm shard]

Makes the Bolt Pistols just barely too low to kill gunners damage less noticable

[little path]

They're both strong

[hollow ibex]

it really isn't that bad. vet gets one motion, and also ES

[little path]

but it's just again a thing of what you're actually planning to do with the gun

bistol is the quick draw, high damage sniping weapon

[gleaming viper]

I plan to shoot

[calm shard]

kinda mid damage

[narrow widget]

the humble revolver

[calm shard]

It's on the low end of precision weapons

[hollow ibex]

unless you're on arbi lol

[little path]

Bolter is the gun you bring when want to spend an extended period of time shooting

[calm shard]

I think it might be the lowest damage precision weapon if we're accounting for crits

Like I think Infantry Lasgun hits harder than it

[gleaming viper]

How come chaos space marines aren't like some kind of boss

Very sad

[little path]

because we have the karnak twins instead

[gleaming viper]

We got deamonhosts and like some sort of nurgle demon where's the epic chaos space marine

[little path]

also technically we're killing threats more dangerous than chaos space marines

[gleaming viper]

That's what I mean

[little path]

Adding mini mini bosses as CSM

[past stratus]

can the bistol even do the epic mag dump thing that the spearhead can do?

[calm shard]

Frankly I don't want to ever see a space marine of any kind in this game

[hollow ibex]

lolno

[calm shard]

They're extremely over represented in 40K as it is

[past stratus]

yeah I didn't remember that

[calm shard]

Keep them out of one fucking piece of media please

[safe kestrel]

If you need to play versatile, bolt pistol is good for short range while not loosing long range capability for snipers etc

[safe kiln]

what are the taxe mk7 combos?

[gleaming viper]

I mean I wouldn't want to see them common but like they're iconic and would make for a good rare elite encounter

[narrow widget]

the humble revolver:

[little path]

CSM appears
Ogryn: Does this rock smell funny to you?
CSM has his neck snapped by a rock breaking the sound barrier

[calm shard]

They're ugly eyesores that you can get a great look at in any other piece of 40K media

Yeah which it would need those 2 shots to kill them

And the Bolter would just one shot them

So it equals out about

[hollow ibex]

horde: PA H
single: light spam

you can also use H L if stam is an issue

[little path]

just a question if what you're looking for

if you want to be able to quick snipe specials then bolter ain't doing that

[gleaming viper]

Does the dueling sword special attack have a purpose

[little path]

bad pull out game

[little path]

stagger anything ingame

crusher about to destroy you with an overhead?

[safe kestrel]

True that lil gun is slept on and BITCHIN

[little path]

poke him in the face

[gleaming viper]

Oh that's nice

[marble bridge]

is this stupid for powersword laspistol or should i change something

[calm shard]

why do you not have iron will

[hollow ibex]

iron will is mandatory

[past stratus]

I think the extra stamina one ain't very good

[calm shard]

They're doing it because they want the also not very good toughness regen from WS

[past stratus]

if you wanna pick nodes from WS, pick the reload one, specially with bistol

[little path]

revolver is slept on because revolver was overused

[safe kiln]

what perks to throw on the mk4 helbore...

[little path]

revolver was the best gun ingame for a while and people got sick of it

[past stratus]

yeah if you're going to get it, at least get the one that lets you reload less

[safe kiln]

running no respite weight of fire

[calm shard]

Carapace/Unyielding

[marble bridge]

dropping field improv for iron will then

[gleaming viper]

Just me or do all the autoguns stink

[calm shard]

Not really

[safe kiln]

vraks iag is fine

[calm shard]

Revolvers hitscan is huge

[safe kiln]

just not that ammo efficient

[little path]

revolver is technically just a better bistol

[calm shard]

Vigilant VII, Vraks Infantry Auto, and Agri Infantry Auto are all good

[little path]

but bistol has the extra added utility of AOE and stagger

[gleaming viper]

Also why are the shotgunners pulling out their melee when I get close ???

[gilded rock]

The coolest thing bistol does is buff Veteran's shredder spam build

[calm shard]

Vraks Infantry Auto is extremely good

[hollow ibex]

nurgle brainrot

[gilded rock]

By far my favorite "meme" build in the game

[past stratus]

the bistol is comfier in my experience, you can bistol a little mob and do big dam + bleed

[little path]

Because their shotgun doesn't have a bash as an altfire

[safe kestrel]

@gleaming viper one day when you’re having to clutch as you run from the horde and a trapper or pox you’d appears in the corner of your eye, you’ll remember this discussion

[safe kiln]

also very good with MMF keystone

[little path]

they're literally just like us fr fr

[narrow widget]

do you really expect someone to keep trying to shoot someone right up in their face

[gleaming viper]

With a shotgun in a video game yeah

[safe kiln]

thoughts on a helbore mmf exec stance build

[marble bridge]

destiny shotguns maybe

[little path]

also because you can't block shotgun pellets

[marble bridge]

these are realistic shotguns that have range lol

[little path]

if a shotgunner just kept shooting even when you're close

shotgunners would probably be the death of most players

[gleaming viper]

Hm I mean irl I don't shoot ppl but like if I had a shotgun I don't think I'd whip out a knife if someone was running at me

[past stratus]

everyone does melee when you're close it is a mechanic of the game

[calm shard]

I run this in Havoc

[past stratus]

you learn it in the tutorial

[little path]

if you missed a few times

and now they're a few seconds from you

[safe kiln]

im practicing with a build rn

[gleaming viper]

Yea I guess

[little path]

the best thing to do would to actually switch to a melee weapon

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1393353860419944530/image.png?ex=6872dd67&is=68718be7&hm=ffab742c688f646541614cd7d6b5e1b978f4d0f2ba338b29c787b7d5ffa5ae87& I run it like this

[little path]

otherwise they could grab your gun barrel and force you into a bad position

if this was IRL of course

[calm shard]

heavy sword or power sword

can't use the melees that need you to invest in them

[little path]

or use your shotgun as the weapon

[past stratus]

if Gunners used the Skyrim Archer strategy of just keep shooting you while you're bashing them in the face they'd be even more annoying

[calm shard]

heavy sword's bad carapace damage doesn't really mtter because like just helbore them

[narrow widget]

reapers

[safe kestrel]

All ranged enemy except bosses, reapers and machine gunners go into melee mode when you close the distance. Use this to your advantage

[gleaming viper]

I know I know I'm just talking

[safe kestrel]

Also flamers obviously

[little path]

But more than anything if shotgunners still used their shotgun even if you were "close"

most runs would just end with you turning a corner

and getting blasted by 8 shotgunners

[narrow widget]

dude honestly if I was shooting at someone and they were dodging like the matrix I'd just throw down the gun and accept my fate

[past stratus]

flamers do a little kick when you get close it is kind of funny

[gleaming viper]

Repent

[calm shard]

shit does like a billion damage I am NOT laughing

[little path]

friendly fire is truly friendly for the nurgle cultists

[past stratus]

it really does which makes it even funnier

[little path]

they don't take damage from it

so they would just nonstop shoot at you

[calm shard]

they do just not very much

snipers and reapers especially do a fuck ton of friendly fire damage

[past stratus]

flamers burns their own guys all the time

[gleaming viper]

What if they made a sequel to this game but instead of being inquisitor agents we were ultramarine and instead of fighting random chaos Cults we fought tyranids

[calm shard]

I think snipers can one shot kill maulers

[narrow widget]

what if they made a sequel to that game

[gleaming viper]

We play as imperial fists

And we build shit

[past stratus]

Space Marines 😴 Ultramarines 🛌

[gleaming viper]

Like minecraft

[past stratus]

I'm so tired of the smurfs

[calm shard]

nah make it a roguelike and you're lamenters

[little path]

and what if instead of engaging gameplay, you pressed a single parry button over and over

[safe kestrel]

I got speed kicked three times in a row today that really pussed me off. Weak game glitch

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gargamel-the-smurfs-smurf-village-chasing-running-away-gif-21276752

[calm shard]

the randomized nature of the run is how the curse of bad luck fucks with you on the way

[past stratus]

not a glitch you just got styled on 😎

[little path]

what if a single medium sized enemy could eat 50 bolt shells

[gleaming viper]

What if we were the grey knights

[little path]

yes

finally

[gleaming viper]

And we had to kill sisters of battle for their blood

[little path]

I can bathe in the blood of women

[past stratus]

me on tabletop building armies to kill smurf players

[little path]

and not be judged

[safe kestrel]

Lmao. Fatshark presents: space marine 2

[little path]

ima be real

maybe if fatshaker made SM2

the gameplay would be better

[safe kestrel]

I got Chad mogged so hard. Adding severe injury to insult

[gleaming viper]

What if we got to play as a blacksmith and spend our whole lives forging a single grey Knight bolter round

[little path]

jankier and more broken yes

but way more engaging

[little path]

and we get to watch him miss a daemon and hit a random guardsmen instead

[calm shard]

the biggest thing that irritates me in that game is how low impact the characters abilities can feel

especially as you're leveling them up

[past stratus]

I hope people keep making games that are not about Space Marines and explore the other cool factions of 40k

[calm shard]

and they all have like 5 year cooldowns

[past stratus]

I'd love a Knight House game

[calm shard]

Iron Halo on heavy is the most useless trash ever and the cooldown is like 4 minutes

[gleaming viper]

What if we get to play as the emperor and we have to hit constant quick time events to save the universe

[narrow widget]

assail for psyker is like combat knife on zealot

[little path]

yooooo

[gleaming viper]

And also it tazes your balls or something

[little path]

cooking mama type game

but you're the custodes serving psykers to the emperor

[gleaming viper]

Real

[past stratus]

Emperor Dance Dance Revolution

[gleaming viper]

What flavor of psyker will it be today

[little path]

gene stealer 4X game

you start as the single patriarch and have to build up the cult

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

[narrow widget]

40k cities skylines

[faint beacon]

Graia still goes hard as fuck on Vet

[safe kestrel]

I told folks I want a game about the average guardsman on the front that manages to live somehow

[past stratus]

Dating Simulator with all the Primarchs while the Horus Heresy happens 😍

[gleaming viper]

Hentai game

[safe kestrel]

I’d buy that game so fast

[narrow widget]

wait y'know what kind of game id buy

40k KSP

[safe kestrel]

Don’t show me a video of a necrom melting some soldier, let me be that soldier

[little path]

problem is being an actual random guardsmen would kinda suck

[past stratus]

yeah that would be fun

[little path]

your guns would do little damage and a random ork could run up and destroy you

[gleaming viper]

Battlefront but it's imperium vs necrons

I think they're cool

[little path]

space marines are the primary focus overall

[atomic void]

once u get your builds done all of them are good

[little path]

I just hate the primaris designs

[atomic void]

its literally "fuck ranged enimies" and its fkn bustd lmao what

[gleaming viper]

Can they drop 50k/end times already

[past stratus]

idk because we have been seeing a lot of non space marine-y games lately. I think a lot of people see the potential for the more human side of the setting

[atomic void]

also cooldown is very fasT?

[little path]

40k is losing their "gothic" design in things

slowly

[gleaming viper]

Emperor gets off his ass, hive mind pulls up, all 20 primarchs come back, necrons unite

All the plastic models become twice the size

[safe kestrel]

Yea but give it a loose story framework to follow, some hand holding at first and lots of checkpoints to go along with long ass campaigns

Like make it the forever winter almost but 40k

[past stratus]

also about this, I think it would be cool if it was a dramatic game like This war or Mine or something like that. Just a game about navigating the trench wars in some remote world. A guardsmen losing his friends, dealing with the cruelty of war and the Imperium

[safe kestrel]

Ngl I just want to see the 40k battle scenery from other shoes than ERMAGAWD IM A SPACE HUNK

[unreal nova]

That's just any vet's backstory.

[gleaming viper]

I mean, if I was in 40k I'd be a main character so it's all good

[past stratus]

yeah wouldn't it be cool as a little story game? I think it would. I like little drama games like that

[safe kestrel]

Short game about vet lost behind enemy lines

So based

[little path]

being able to be a normal human who kills a whole battalion on his own is just lore accurate to 40k

[unreal nova]

You watch your platoon die, you watched multiple platoons die.

[little path]

sly marbo has destroyed entire CSM war hosts on his own

[unreal nova]

You are still here though, by luck, by skill, by sheer karking will...

[little path]

because he's jsut built different

[unreal nova]

I mean, I got that from more serious roleplay.

[past stratus]

yeah, 40k has massive potential for really good storytelling. All it needs to do is take a little piece of grimdark and take it seriously for a moment. Just a little story

[little path]

A game about being a random guardsmen could just play like a tom clancy game or hitman etc

if you get caught in a gunfight you will probably die

so you have to be sneaky

[gleaming viper]

What about a lighthearted story about a rag tag group of random criminals that take on random nurgle cultists

[past stratus]

I was never able to play any of the warhammer ttrpgs 😭

[safe kestrel]

@unreal nova you were right vet is hard this shit is taxed worse than American estate taxes

[past stratus]

I wish I could

[little path]

nah, sounds dumb

no one would play that

[unreal nova]

Only ages ago. New parties hate the fact I own no books. XD.

[heavy rover]

what's next? they'd join the Inquisition because they lived by the end of it?

[little path]

random criminals wouldn't get all the fun toys like powersword, plasma guns, chainswords, get to wear clothes

what are they

some kind of

[unreal nova]

Told you. Tax here, tax there, everywhere tax tax.

[little path]

suicide squad?

[gleaming viper]

Game about helping perturabo create more of his chaos space marines through unorthodox methods

[little path]

some kind of band of rejects?

[past stratus]

Does GW even have a ttrpg going? Or have given the license for someone to do it? I never heard about it

[heavy rover]

Fighting some sort of tide of enemies in the dark?

[little path]

rogue trader

[past stratus]

I meant Tabletop RPGs

not video games

[gleaming viper]

Game about being a random alien species during the great crusade

[past stratus]

I know that back in the day they did but idk if nowadays

[unreal nova]

Look for Dark Heresy, Black Crusade,( Wrath and Glory is the newest).

Deathwatch and there's an IG one.

[past stratus]

that's neat, I'll have to lobotomize my group to convince them to try it 🥹

[unreal nova]

Rogue Trader was stated already.

Only war is the IG one.

[safe kestrel]

I give fatshark a lot of credit for adding levels in the dark and city portions on fire

Only recently I stopped and looked at level starts. The scenery is amazing if you stop and look

Especially chasm terminus

[unreal nova]

Only did Black Crusade homebrew so... Don't ask me. Was probably why the GM didn't care about the lack of books.

10 FPS quality. No more sedation to just look around.

[past stratus]

I think darktide runs pretty ok

[calm shard]

and then half the special mission modifiers are some flavor of not being able to see shit

[past stratus]

my rig isn't that good and I don't really lose frames that often

[atomic void]

darktide is the worst running game i play

actually no that might be sm2 horde mode

[past stratus]

besides when Ogryns throw their big frag, that shit kills all PCs

[gleaming viper]

Darktide runs pretty good for me

[safe kestrel]

Yea that’s ugly but regular missions look amazing

[atomic void]

if you're enabling frame gen its not running well for u

[gleaming viper]

Haven't had any notable drops, stuttering, bugs etc just a good experience

3060ti

[unreal nova]

That was the min. XD

[atomic void]

if your game drops below 100 fps in aurics its not running well either

[gleaming viper]

Idk I judge by how it feels and it feels fine

Microstuttering > average fps

[atomic void]

cinematic silky smooth 10 fps

[unreal nova]

0.1FPS.

[atomic void]

i would pay 1 trillion dollars to get rid of the stuttering

the game just ignores that i have a 5900x lmao

[gleaming viper]

Install the game on your ram

[atomic void]

download more ram

[gleaming viper]

Not having 128gb in 2025 smh

[safe kestrel]

I don’t think you’ll notice it much at first but watch is you get a strong handle on the game

[gleaming viper]

If ud pay 1 tril to fix stuttering then install the game on ram cos it helps a lot

[atomic void]

yeah UE5 is a disaster

my issue with dorktide is the only way to get it not to stutter is to disable allthe cool stuff

[safe kestrel]

Unreal is overused and I’m starting to think it’s a recipe book for lazy or untalented devs

[gleaming viper]

Dune awakening is like the only UE5 game I've played that doesn't run like ass

[safe kestrel]

So like every 3d render game with gibbing has to be unreal?

[atomic void]

gibbing, ragdolls, blood ect are need to be disabled for me

they'll be fine, nvidia has modified UE5 versions that can work well and CDPR is their biggest partner atm
ngl if cyberpunk 2 ends up running poorly then ue5 is just beyond cooked

[gleaming viper]

Tf u mean IF

[safe kestrel]

Yo that gives me an idea. I’m going to turn it off so I know when enemies knocked down are for sure dead because the glitched floor twitching is fucking me up too much

[atomic void]

im saying IF cause im still coping that nvidia will prevent their next cashcow showcase game from running like absolute ass

[gleaming viper]

I mean I think that the game looks nice, but by nature it's quite empty so not a ton of rendering to do normally

[gleaming viper]

Nvidia aren't gonna do anything at all because people are gonna keep buying their shit

[atomic void]

we will see when the game drops in 10 years

cant wait until i play it with my kids

[gleaming viper]

If nvidia releases a turd amd releases a slightly cheaper turd

[atomic void]

amd released some good stuff this gen tbf

[gleaming viper]

Hm it's hard to say because it's subjective lol

[unreal nova]

Generally looks nice but fps is like playing on phone.

And that's pretty bad when phone starts heating up.

[gleaming viper]

As for dune awakening I think the textures, lighting and models are generally very nice

The character animations can be a bit floaty

But I think that's more of a gameplay decision

Is doom dark ages ue5

The forced RT in that sucks imo

[atomic void]

all doom games use their inhouse engine which is absolute peak

alongside decima engine

[gleaming viper]

Doom eternal unmatched peak

[atomic void]

death stranding 2 looks INSANE

and runs like a dream

[gleaming viper]

I had that yea

[atomic void]

absolute shame that decima is only locked to sony's IPs

[gleaming viper]

It also only recognised 6/8gbs

[safe kestrel]

That Kojima drip

[gleaming viper]

I definitely prefer the art style of eternal, but I might be biased by my pc not rendering the DA graphics at peak settings

[atomic void]

yeah mgsv is one of the best games ever technically

looked amazing, ran amazing

[calm shard]

All this effort and processing power to still not look as good as Okami

[gleaming viper]

I much preferred eternal in just about every way

Only major improvement was swimming being made good

[safe kestrel]

I understand where you’re coming from but as an old school gamer I wish more games at all came out with console people in mind

[unreal nova]

Why don't devs use the classic baked stuff anymore? They tended to look better without nuking the system.

[gleaming viper]

I mean frankly I'm not sure doom is a good candidate for a controller game

[atomic void]

i havnt played mcuh of dark ages yet but it honestly looks very very fun and what i palyed was fun
u just gotta stop appraoching it like it's a sequel to eternal cause its not, you play more like a space marine than flippy ninja doomguy
the parrying and stuff felt very smooth and i could do it while dishing out offense so it never felt slow

[gleaming viper]

Apparently they say that using RT made game dev easier and faster

[unreal nova]

I mean, they could let "AI" handle shaders and shadows, I guess.

[atomic void]

also the increase speed stuff is not a gimmick, i cranked that thing up and things were coming at me super fast
game felt like a fast paced bullet hell game

[calm shard]

Man if only there was some other boomer shooter that has shown that you can have high octane movement tech and extremely strong parry systems at the same time

Making Doom Dark Ages slower gameplay clunky for no good reason

[safe kestrel]

I mean we get tired of playing flappy bird tier games after a while

[unreal nova]

But sometimes I like braindead things on phone for destressing.

[atomic void]

i dont really think its that clunky lol
eternal just ruined people's perception of what doom should be
u still move fast and fight fastm, you're just not flipping all over the place

[gleaming viper]

I mean I just completely loved eternal

[atomic void]

eternal is in my top 10 games of all time

[gleaming viper]

Dark ages felt like a diluting/dumbing down of the experience

[atomic void]

i just didnt appraoch the game like its a sequel for eternal

[calm shard]

ULTRAKILL not only has controller support. The absolute strongest setups in that game do not require aim

[unreal nova]

To be fair, they don't need to go that far. You know the top controller players are just going to beat the highest diff anyway.

[gleaming viper]

Parkour removed in favour of pressing 1 button kinda summarises how I feel about it

[atomic void]

when are they finishing ultrakill so i finally play it

[calm shard]

They require precise timing and game knowledge

[gleaming viper]

And the green projectiles you can parry feel so forced

[calm shard]

Also you can give yourself aimbot in the settings if you're into that

It's a minor assist that does not affect your score or achievements at all lol

[atomic void]

tbf i love "Stand and fight "gaming

i love being an absolute monster tank that runs at things and they vanish

[gleaming viper]

Eternal glory kills were peak, DA ones were sad

[atomic void]

and i love the new flail they added

i should play more

only stopped cause the low texture bug drove me insane

[gleaming viper]

All the new melee were sad compared to the doom blade and crucible

[atomic void]

my poor 3070ti cant handle the kino

[atomic void]

nah man

things u weave into your combos vs funny 1 shot weapons

[gleaming viper]

I mean I never bothered with the flail it seemed a bit pointless

I mainly used the bone club which felt goofy as shit

[atomic void]

you're missing out, it dishes out so much dmg and offer utility

and i had like 30% upgrades on it

[gleaming viper]

Eh I finished it on like hard mode or whatever

Whats up with the stupid granular difficulty controls

[atomic void]

they work

i cranked up all speed settings to max

the projectiles come at you waaay faster same with enemy attack speed

[gleaming viper]

I didn't know about that till halfway through

[atomic void]

i saw that in the marketing videos and was like yep

im doing that stuff

[gleaming viper]

My issue with the speed stuff is like

There's clearly an intended speed the games been designed around

Changing it just feels like artificially turning up the difficulty vs the experience actually being improved

Like the sped up shit looks goofy imo

Vs eternal that was well made for the faster speed

[atomic void]

the funny part is it feels fun no matter what setting
its legit not a gimmick and i want more gmes to have it
reminded me of dishonored 2 offering 1 billion things to turn on/off but that's a stealth game

[gleaming viper]

There's this like hand sized moth in my room that I've lost

[atomic void]

bug 100%

[gleaming viper]

As for the difficulty controls

Idk I think they're a bit silly

Like I get playing on extra hard mode

But just have ultra hard mode preset

I highly doubt anyone is manually tuning their difficulty of 78% speed for the optimal experience

And it feels good to say oh I beat ultra nightmare etc

[atomic void]

i like em and would like to see the features in more games

imagine something like Returnal with these settings

actual bullet hell

that game is cool btw

[gleaming viper]

I mean I just don't really see what was wrong with eternals system

Easy, medium hard, permadeath

Whats not to love

[atomic void]

nothing at all, they just wanted to do something different
so far in the trilogy each game plays different
also the thing people are missing is that dark ages is not the DIRECT SEQUEL to eternal, its like a spin off type game

where they're trying out new things

[gleaming viper]

I mean yeah I get that I just don't like it nearly as much lol

[atomic void]

that's fair

[gleaming viper]

I wouldn't be upset if I thought it was awesome

[atomic void]

different folks for different strokes

[gleaming viper]

It just feels like a downgrade in a number of aspects

And then the new features feel lackluster compared to the removed ones

And the hyped up dragon and mecha suit were so ass

[atomic void]

this reminds me they showed footage for ghost of yoeti and some funny people started saying "wow this is a dlc"

game chnages too much
what happened to the game i love

game builds on what made the prequel good
dlc

i love gamers

[gleaming viper]

Absolute marketing gimmick

The dragon

[atomic void]

im not gonna lie it could have been a warhammer game

straight up

the visuals

[gleaming viper]

True

[atomic void]

the combat loop

the shield and flail

[gleaming viper]

I also think the story was uncompelling

Eternal had this absolute peak grand narrative

Dark ages is just like oh let's defend this place I guess

[atomic void]

i find eternal's story to be a bit too????????

[gleaming viper]

I mean there's a lot to it and it can be confusing

[atomic void]

i really dont think doom needs this uber serious storytelling

[gleaming viper]

But the lore is pretty good

And like the khan maykr >>>>>>>>> kreed maykr

[atomic void]

its not about bad or good writing i just dont think this series needs big story focus

[gleaming viper]

And Dr Samuel harden

[atomic void]

remember when people were going crazy over 2016 not wasting any time on all of that lmao

[gleaming viper]

My favourite character obviously

[gaunt hare]

so essentially y’all are saying DOOM should stick to environmental storytelling?

[gleaming viper]

Idk I mean half of Eternal is the absolutely peak cinematic backgrounds

[atomic void]

kinda? its trying to have this grand super serious narrative and while its cool

i just dont think its needed

but i dont hate it

[gleaming viper]

It is a bit complicated at times

In the DLCs it gets a bit contrived

But base Eternal I think the story was fairly clear cut

[split fox]

Veteran buffs are coming boys

The fish listens

[atomic void]

i like wolverine's origin

[gleaming viper]

he was bitten by a wolverine

[split fox]

the question is how long will it take to arrive

Devs confirmed but no date

I’d cry if it’s months

Ah yes

Poor zealots aren’t number one anymore

[unreal nova]

Might be next year after Zealot.

[split fox]

[livid hill]

Where does he day thst

[safe kestrel]

True true

Man this is more important than people think

Btw the zealot should’ve never had hands on the dueling sword. Absolutely greedy that they have it

[safe kiln]

zealot will always be #1 in my heart

[livid hill]

where was this said i really wanna read it

didnt they already say zealot was coming first or am i stupid

[sonic pecan]

This is a lie.

The fish is also a lie.

[gilded rock]

Zealot does what it does amazingly

Zealot does what it does not (literally anything but The Build) horribly

Just keep the power level and make all or most of the talents have a reason to exist, like how Arbites tree is

[stone zealot]

holy

i'm p sure that nade throw stopped the dog on boop

[safe kestrel]

I’d like to see the psyker tree reworked the same way. The idiotic cloverleafs on the sides make several talents pointless

[sonic pecan]

Vet rework within the next hour, Im sure of it.

[safe kestrel]

I can feel it coming like the smell before rain

[sonic pecan]

meltas, hellguns

cosmetics that arent dumb

talents that make sense

leman russ tanks

[safe kestrel]

Hold up tho. I love the beret it goes hard af

[sonic pecan]

ok yes

it does

[safe kestrel]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Source?

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[grand perch]

nanoveterans son

[sonic pecan]

Psychosis

[faint beacon]

Delusion

[gilded rock]

Wdym bro, souldrinker is in the most intelligent place it could possibly be

[safe kestrel]

It’s weak as hell in the first place. It’s absurd being on the right side also

[livid hill]

Vet should be able to hug ogryn

[safe kestrel]

New emoji rolling out

[unreal nova]

Or give them a pat on the head.

[livid hill]

Tell them theyre doin a good job

[safe kestrel]

Ogryn salutes veteran

[livid hill]

Ogryn: "sah! Get up sah! We've got to fight!"

Veteran, dying: "...I'm sorry... I don't... think I can..."

"Sah?"

"It's alright big man, I'll see you again... in a better place than this. Make me proud, would ya?"

"No! Sah! Sah! Speak to me!"

"no... sah..."

"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'LL GET YOU GRUTTIN SNIVELERS!!!"

+900 toughness, 90% toughness damage resistance, 100% corruption resistance, 250% damage, 200% attack speed, cannot be stunned or suppressed

[grand perch]

as a bonus, vet can do this every 5 minutes and fake his death, since ogryn cant remember the last time by then

[livid hill]

"Sah! No! Get up sah!"

"Uhh... wait, I'm not dead?"

looks around and sees the corpses of all the heretics

"Oh. Um. Oh! I mean, blaughhhh I'm dying! Oh what a world!"

Ogryn, on the verge of tears: "sah! No! Not again!"

[unreal nova]

The poor traumatised Oggy.

[jaunty tinsel]

Scion skin + Volleygun

If we put the idea into the aether enough times it's bound to manifest

[unreal nova]

Are you saying ork magic?

[jaunty tinsel]

The combined Veteran Soul

[unreal nova]

So... faith "magic"?

[jaunty tinsel]

It's scientific, from a certain point of view.

[rancid egret]

This needs to be an actual perk. Lol

There's a similar perk, but it doesn't happen when people die but there should be a perk like this. IMHO

[rancid egret]

I appreciate this roleplay read, did you come up with this? Make a comic or YouTube video about it. Good stuff. Very wholesome and humble story.

[unreal nova]

So give vet until death, but it basically lowers aggro on them while disabling them when procced with a dr boost after the immune to damage period. Any ally in coherency range gains buffs.

Every ally buffed by it heals the vet by 5-8% hp.

[rancid egret]

Interesting concept

I really want more weapons though.

A lot more

[austere mica]

We do not need more classes with UD

1 is more than enough

[unreal nova]

Look, it's for funny.

[civic apex]

When are they gonna nerf this busted class?

Fire team krak exe stance marksman vets with helbore are single handedly carrying my h50 matches

I’m from the future

[formal ice]

USD

[grand perch]

KRARK? did you misspell krork and we play OP ork ancestors?

cause thatd be PROPAH ORKY

[civic apex]

Idek hun

[open ravine]

Server spawns appear broken again as I just had a regular mission spawn maelstorm levels of enemies non stop

[civic apex]

You count them?

[unreal nova]

I guess the total kills thing.

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a fun game, i want more of this

@unreal nova

[unreal nova]

I like fun, not pain.

[sudden cedar]

When it comes to Darktide, i like both. At the same time.

[sonic pecan]

PAIN IS FUN, PRAISE SLAANESH

[sudden cedar]

Why else would i be using an Achlys Combat Axe and an Ius Shredder Autopistol?

[unreal nova]

I do not want to have to try to clutch games on my vet. It hurts. Doing zealot things on vet hurts.

[long dove]

So is using scoreboard heresy?

[sudden cedar]

A Veteran can clutch as well, Veteran Style.

[sonic pecan]

Yes. The most horrible kind. Instant excomunicate traitoris.

[unreal nova]

That's in bed. Also, being sadomaso means you also like to hurt things, vet too weak to do that.

[long dove]

Oh

[sonic pecan]

You're hurting the team by playing vet on anything beyond Malice! Let the pain flow.

[unreal nova]

No, I just did speedrun on shout vet. It somehow worked.

[sudden cedar]

Pfff

Weak

[sonic pecan]

Yes, the veteran class is very weak. Thank god the rework is coming today.

[unreal nova]

You play with vet stam.

[unreal nova]

Agony is for those against me. For those I like... depends on the mood.

[sonic pecan]

Today is my birthday so they have to release the veteran rework and bring it on bar with ogryn and arby.

they must

please

[sudden cedar]

Cope

[sonic pecan]

please fatshark, im getting old, i need the patch

[topaz lance]

Give it about 9 months

[sonic pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-im-done-time-to-go-gif-18465294

[vague wigeon]

This is basically how one of the talents in Only War works

[analog lintel]

I thought fatshark said somewhere zealot was next

[fallow beacon]

what blessing to pair with power cycler?

[sonic pecan]

Combat Knife. Infiltrate veteran is the only way now.

[vague wigeon]

Depends on the power sword you use

[fallow beacon]

the mk6

[clever hedge]

Brutal momentum

[civic apex]

They made shout as bad as the other three ults :)** **

That’s your rework

[vague wigeon]

If you are mk3 gigachad - use Sunder.

If mk6 - sunder too, but brutal monumentum will give you better solo target damage

[fallow beacon]

my ranged weapon is the hellbore just fyi

so ideally horde focused would be the go

[vague wigeon]

Just use bayonet them

[fallow beacon]

this is true

[vague wigeon]

Mk3 with sunder is best anti-horde weapon

[open ravine]

About 8 spawns of crusher duos back to back then 6 spawns of rager packs then a DH followed by a plague ogryn then a couple flamers, trappers and dogs

[vague wigeon]

With sunder it won't get stuck in the first carapace enemy in the horde

[open ravine]

This was on a no modifier heresy non campaign mission

[vague wigeon]

And psword has enough stagger to stagger any non-ogryn enemy aside from mutant

[fallow beacon]

once i unlock it i'll slap sunder on it

[vague wigeon]

Here's the video.

I've tested it myself too - it's more or less true.

But best option is always test yourself again and make conclusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqLFHXK5aaA

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum + power cycler

Sunder is strong too, can swap BM for it

[grand perch]

mainly for cleaving multiple carapace enemies

[fallow beacon]

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208

[tall torrent]

Can’t even get everything at 70

5x76 is possible but pretty rare

And it’s a level of breakpoint min max not worth the effort

[past stratus]

I saw chocoB roll a 76 across once, I didn't know that was supposed to be a good thing

[calm shard]

yeah because it isn't

76 in everything means that most weapons lose some combination of damage, crit chance, crit damage, attack speed, armor penetration, cleave, and stamina

It's neat for weirdos that want to collect weirdo weapons

But really bad if you want them to be effective

[dry cloak]

i just ceased to care about 4x80 weapons

unless damage or other important stats arent at 60% max its good

[unreal nova]

Doesn't work if you have OCD.

[sage kettle]

every time a vet brings this

https://tenor.com/view/angry-rc-streamer-scream-shout-too-loud-gif-17094737

[unreal nova]

They have every right if it helps their Breakpoints though. Unless this is high havoc.

[past stratus]

yeah I never had issues getting the 4x80

[narrow widget]

imagine quadruple whammy of infiltrate krak fire team mmf

[sage kettle]

imagine getting 4 vets in general

[unreal nova]

I mean, got 3 before. Just need to ding ding ding harder.

[sage kettle]

Vets at the moment are just seen as a shout and an ammo regen

[unreal nova]

I know. Most ppl know I joke about the dispenser thing.

[sage kettle]

They need some love putting into them , right now they arent too good to take

[unreal nova]

Why getting 3 in a game is funni.

Sec karking smokers IRL. Choking.

[sage kettle]

people are just penance grinding 🤷‍♂️

[unreal nova]

Not me, I maxed out vet and psyker.

Funni when most played and least played.

[sage kettle]

ive done all except zealot , just because loner talent tree is a sham

[unreal nova]

Oggy too annoying. Heavies only still annoying.

Not spending 2 hours loading into mortis to spray into air as well.

[sage kettle]

only things im missing on arb is just playtime

but zealot is painful to do

[unreal nova]

Zealot is karking stealth loner.

Rejected. Not my style.

[sage kettle]

yup and before the penance rework i didnt do the flesh wound penance

so im missing that too

[unreal nova]

Still okay, just run train and play careful.

Just need another player.

Or better, 2 ppl needing it.

[sage kettle]

that's the hardest penance

[unreal nova]

Can ask, ppl always help when free.

[sage kettle]

I'll see , not too bothered about it at the moment

[strange crow]

Only class penance I have left is malleus monstronum

One day…

[past stratus]

I'm just finishing leveling my Plasma and it is so broken. If it wasn't for the rest of the class being in a pretty underwhelming state, the nerf would be very justified.

this gun does it all

[red robin]

100%

Vet rework bringing everything up would require plasma to be toned down

[open ravine]

Plasma needs a rework of some kind and not a pure nerf

[narrow widget]

we're not even sure about whether there even will be vet rework in the near future

[red robin]

Erm

[narrow widget]

fs hasn't said anything official iirc

so for all we know, zealot could be up next

[red robin]

I done did seen a Reddit post of a dev in game saying it’s on the pipeline

It’s up in the noosphere

[sudden cedar]

Veteran is fine.

Not as flashy and shiny, but very much serviceable.

[ember nest]

A worthy sacrifice

[red robin]

Omg a fellow saint

[ember nest]

[narrow widget]

serviceable but not in a great state

[red robin]

Bro is interaction farming with that take

[ember nest]

Vet is shout

[narrow widget]

survivalist

[ember nest]

Some sort of tiny support creature with a plasma gun

[sudden cedar]

I don't think so. Veteran is a very important member of any team.

[ember nest]

[sudden cedar]

And not just for Survivalist and Golden Toughness.

[open ravine]

It's not and this is cope even if you aren't intending it to be. Vet has been lackluster since the trees first reworked and a lot of players feel like vet needs something also they have fallen behind in terms of weapons.

[narrow widget]

he has like 1 use-case and it's survivalist

everything else you're better off taking arbi

[ember nest]

There have been very few times where I have been on a team and went "damn I wish we had a veteran"

[red robin]

Sheer optimism and positive attitude from this guy is endearing

[ember nest]

There have been multiple times where gunner spawns were going insane and I wished we had a book zel or a bubble psyker

[red robin]

Bro will succeed in anything with this mindset

[ember nest]

But a vet?

No

They're nice to have don't get me wrong

[sudden cedar]

What craftsman would blame their tools for poor performance?

[ember nest]

Ah this is bait

[red robin]

Lmao

[narrow widget]

holy bait

[red robin]

Epic personality trait

[ember nest]

I will say I like playing a vet with a knife, recon, and shout in aurics and just kinda shmooving everywhere as I see fit

[red robin]

[open ravine]

Veteran lost his identity as gunner in a sense when they made his ranged buffs require very specific situations not always in the players control to work and then did a heavy focus on Jack of all trades master of none type tree stuff.

[sudden cedar]

Is it really? Or is it just because everyone here seems to have a very negative point of view on the whole matter that nothing else seems to be acceptable? I will not deny that Veteran does need work and help, but i just don't paint everything so horrible.

The results in the Havoc Matches i am in paint a different picture of the whole situation.

[open ravine]

Vet is viable but he isn't good at anything in particular is what people get from him

[ember nest]

^

[sudden cedar]

@open ravine We can agree on that. Never said something else.

[unreal nova]

Poke me like an hour or later if you want it still. Cooking atm.

[sudden cedar]

However, what is so bad at an allrounder?

[open ravine]

Oh no just saying that is why a lot of people want vet reworked

[sudden cedar]

I see it more as a positive.

[open ravine]

They is supposed to be the ranged dudes

[red robin]

Bro emitting this aura through text

[open ravine]

They were sold as the ranged dudes

[unreal nova]

Naw. 65% ranged 35% melee mostly.

[narrow widget]

which one

[open ravine]

Zealot kinda got away from becoming another just Jack of all trades by having strong melee blue nodea

[narrow widget]

I got 2

[unreal nova]

Most ppl think 100% ranged though.

[sudden cedar]

Damn, you really are very negative. Or so it seems.

[red robin]

It’s so over

[ember nest]

Im glad I started with vet becauae it means I got to experience the pros of other classes as compared to a relatively blunt baseline

If I would have started with zel I would have kms on vet

[red robin]

I learned specialist murdering on vet mostly

And that translated to every other class

[narrow widget]

if I started on anything other than vet I'd be so much worse at the game tbh

[ember nest]

I need to make an actual ws build and not penance farmer 9000

[ember nest]

Imagine starting as modern oggy

[red robin]

Ty huntsmen Kruber in vt2 teaching me to murder all specials on sight

[narrow widget]

[unreal nova]

Learn to play on vet, 0 damage taken run on arby ensures.

[ember nest]

So

That may or may not have happened

And is how I got that penance recently

[unreal nova]

I got it on vet anyway so....

Lul.

[red robin]

Vet is the hyperbolic time chamber of darktide

[ember nest]

I ended up blitzing through a ton of penances after my hiatus

Like

[heavy rover]

I got my vet penance when I got true survivor

[ember nest]

I went from 900 penance points to

5200ish

Over the last 2 weeks

[red robin]

True

[unreal nova]

Throw in 300 ping gaming.

[open ravine]

Yeah its stuck with the nerfs from pre class rework as if punished for ever being strong

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-21635922

[ember nest]

What if exe stance treated all hits against status'd targets as weakpoint hits

[red robin]

Mmf would be so nutty

[ember nest]

Just blatantly evil balance

[red robin]

But damn armor still an issue for ranged gameplay

[narrow widget]

fr they should nerf exe stance, infiltrate, and mmf harder
clearly survivalist and shout aren't doing enough so they should buff them

[ember nest]

What is the point of exe stance

Sorrt

Of infiltrate

[red robin]

I kill trivialize basic ass shooters

[ember nest]

Exe stance is click yellow dudes and/or bolter boss

[red robin]

That’s exe stance

Infiltrate for me is either revive tool or double barrel gap closer

Or obj clearer

Niche and exciting gameplay for an ability choice

xd

[open ravine]

It is a gutted version of a stronger version that existed before the classes looked like they do now

[red robin]

Infiltrate the, hi enemy aggro go kill my team move

[ember nest]

Me when I press it 0.2 seconds before the crusher overhead and mysteriously the psyker next to me goes down

[red robin]

God

Arbites spoiled me

I’ve never played ogyrn

So idk how shielding ranged atks feels like

[placid shoal]

anyone know the distance of "close range" for recon lazgun?

[red robin]

But arbites shield nice