@faint beacon I am sure you won't. Cadians really do cry all the time about it after all.
#veteran-class
sudden cedar
faint beacon
<@820414945543716944> I am sure you won't. Cadians really do cry all the time ab...
Ironic part is I play a Steel Legion LC, could care less about the rubble of Cadia atm
🚬
sudden cedar
As you should.
atomic void
its funny how people who follow ze lore dont mind the "Crying"
but people who have no idea what cadia is think its annoying crying 
i dont see the issue with a character referencing their "holy land" often tbh
strange crow
Loose cannon prob close enough
Emotionless Krieg are lowkey boring, old lore was better
Steve Lyons 🥀
rough cobalt
Cosmetics question but which chestplate is best fitting with scion helmet?, everything I got feels off
ember nest
Emotionless Krieg are lowkey boring, old lore was better
are they emotionless now? I thought they just come off that way
I would like dreary vet voice to fit kreiger
like one who clearly wants more to be happening but is stuck in this relatively low energy situation
sleek garden
i hate fire staggering me the moment i try to dodge
when it touches you it just cancels it
calm shard
scab bomber grenades momentarily stun you when they detonate
strange crow
are they emotionless now? I thought they just come off that way
Maybe, but it’s a pretty stark contrast from the OG lore where they’re not too different from regular humans
steep flower
@rough cobalt OI I'M BACK; WANNA TALK & PLAY?
sleek garden
scab bomber grenades momentarily stun you when they detonate
i got hit by the flamer fire
faint beacon
are they emotionless now? I thought they just come off that way
It’s mainly cause recent lore they’re trying to sell they’re completely indoctrinated
sleek garden
i was dodging backwards when it touched me so it cancelled my dodge and i ate an overhead
sudden cedar
Unlucky.
barren girder
anyone got a WS db shotgun build w/ blessings and perks?
rough cobalt
<@1000468313702408272> OI I'M BACK; WANNA TALK & PLAY?
Sure I'm at the end of assassination mission tho (gonna wait here if you decide to join up https://discord.gg/GDM4zrFp)
past stratus
anyone got a WS db shotgun build w/ blessings and perks?
For talents you can do standard ws build but put the reloading node. It works pretty okay with it.
Speed aura and agile engagement
barren girder
im not sure what the use case scenarios are for the DB blessings listed on the guide
tame lodge
With WS at 3 stacks
You have a guaranteed critical shot
Manstopper is basically infinite cleave on crit
Flechette is bleed on crit
So now you have infinite cleave that applies bleed to all targets hit
Double Barrel Deathspitter is for non WS builds
barren girder
im guessing flech + manstopper also shreds mixed hordes with that setup?
also hm i know i'd do more dmg with agile engagement but im a bit hesitant to lose survivalist aura 😔 ✊
ember nest
It’s mainly cause recent lore they’re trying to sell they’re completely indoctri...
I mean they are completely indoctrinated, but that doesn't mean "emotionless"
iirc the most recent batch of kreigers are almost all vatborn too
past stratus
also hm i know i'd do more dmg with agile engagement but im a bit hesitant to lo...
Survivalist doesn't do as much as we think. The other day someone did the math here, I was also very attached to it but I'm enjoying the extra speed
barren girder
what about the lack of catch a breath?
hollow ibex
you can live without CAB
livid hill
i heacanon that loose cannon has ptsd and uses humor and sarcasm to not seem vulnerable bc theyre afraid of getting seriously attached to people that are probably just gonna die again
barren girder
gotcha
not sure how i feel with flech + manstopper against mixed hordes
probs better in higher diff with the horde density i guess
just feels redundant rn with the power sword
hollow ibex
not sure how i feel with flech + manstopper against mixed hordes
it's what you should be running on DB
with WS
basically mandatory
every other set up is inferior
because flechette also helps with snipign specialists
hollow ibex
bleed will finish off specialists if your crit shot doesn't
also you're applying bleed to basically an entire horde
so it ends up doing a lot of damage
barren girder
im guessing the more armored elites i really just gotta handle with PS then?
barren girder
maybe i just need to fully upgrade it to 500
hollow ibex
well maybe not bulwarks, those might need both barrels and a love tap
barren girder
doesnt feel great against the armored ragers
hybrid plover
You wanna use a weapon with uncanny if you want the bleed to really shine against armored targets
ember nest
who's gota a worthwhile vigilant autogun or infantry autogun build
hybrid plover
Shovel, knife or dueling sword (blegh) will do it.
barren girder
oof gotcha
if thats the case i might just stick to helbore + ps as my main vet build xP
hybrid plover
Just have to make sure to keep your stacks at max, take the shot quick and switch right back because uncanny will only be active while your melee weapon is equipped
calm shard
death dealer very fun in mortis trials
CLEARLY this means that shock trooper should apply to all guns
;)
hybrid plover
A good DB vet can unironically outdamage a purge psyker on the best of days
calm shard
I think the only reason it doesn't is the bolter
And weapon specialist's guaranteed crit
ember nest
what if shooting bleed targets mean count as weakpoint
hybrid plover
what if shooting bleed targets mean count as weakpoint
What do you mean?
ember nest
like what if, while a target was bleeding, hits counted as weakpoint hits
it would be so funny
it would be so silly even
what gun is this
I need to larp but I don't know the autogun marks
calm shard
what gun is this
that's a graia braced autogun
hollow ibex
doesnt feel great against the armored ragers
yeah because they have carapace bodies
so you really gotta land headshots
which is kinda hard with all pellets like DB tbh
barren girder
oh! gotcha
faint beacon
Chest is carapace
Everything else is flak
Fun fact they used to be all flak and literally a joke of an enemy
heavy rover
does sunder on the power sword cleave through bulwarks, crushers, and maulers?
long dove
another day, another afternoon of trying to complete a penance
sudden cedar
Good luck
calm shard
Fun fact they used to be all flak and literally a joke of an enemy
Even now I'd consider them a joke of an enemy
One dreg rager is more of a threat than like 15 of them
faint beacon
They can stop push attack staggering cause they have more hit-mass
A pack of scab ragers is noticeably dangerous if you don’t run something that’s a group stagger
hollow ibex
One dreg rager is more of a threat than like 15 of them
Wdym scab ragers are basically an upgrade
calm shard
Or well specifically their lunge attack is slower, and they don't always do it
Dreg Ragers always do that lunge attack, and it's nearly instant
Scab Ragers will randomly decide to do either the lunge attack, or the regular combo irregardless of distance
But they attack much slower for both
Makes them much much easier to kite and deal with in hordes
Dreg Rager can, and will instantly kill you if you backdodge a horde to try and make space
Scab Ragers can't really
They are a pain in the ass to kill tho I'll give them that
hollow ibex
Yeah idk I don’t really melee Dreg ragers unless I have a weapon that can quickly stagger them
I find scabs to be harder to deal with
young sequoia
Chest is carapace
omg when did they change this? im just now finding out 
faint beacon
omg when did they change this? im just now finding out <:cute_cry_no:10397068733...
Ages ago
Like last year iirc
Mainly cause they needed a glow up cause back then they seriously were a joke
young sequoia
okay makes sense, thats about when i took a break
faint beacon
I vividly recall saying they should get a carapace chest piece to make them more of a threat and I think I wasn’t alone on that opinion seeing they now have carapace
Rewards aiming for their limbs instead of center mass
grand perch
hes so enthusiastic
i wonder if thats due to him trying to push the trauma of losing another squadmate aside, or proper enthusiasm
grand perch
its the best for plasma imo
marble yew
Im about to lose it dewd
darktide app showed a 17% toughness curio for sale resetting in 1 min and i didnt make it in time lol
vague wigeon
darktide app showed a 17% toughness curio for sale resetting in 1 min and i didn...
17% toughness curios don't exist
gleaming viper
whats so special abt 17% toughess
vague wigeon
whats so special abt 17% toughess
It's the best you can have
Like, ideally you'll have +48% toughness
Wait
17 × 3 + 5 × 3
63% toughness
gleaming viper
is it just the best all around like no reason to use anything else
calm shard
p much yeah
veteran and zealot like to run stamina curios sometimes
I run 2 stamina 1 toughness on my vet
past stratus
I like using one HP curio
vague wigeon
On classes with high toughness it's generally best to run toughness curios
calm shard
which is all of them
toughness is much better than health simply because toughness regenerates
vague wigeon
Tho I run 2 toughness and 1 stamina on vet
past stratus
But I also run 3x toughness at times
vague wigeon
which is all of them
Nah, 50-75 toughness won't gain much from percentage bonus
calm shard
Nah, 50-75 toughness won't gain much from percentage bonus
Nobodies toughness is that low though
past stratus
Yeah basically, in all honesty I feel like even with 3x toughness I'm still super squishy. Vet is just giga squishy
I should try extra stamina some day
warm schooner
I run either one or two stam in high havoc build depending
Having extra push attacks and sprint time is oftentimes quite nice
Also more proactive then the added toughness
Also unironic Deadshot usage
vague wigeon
Nobodies toughness is that low though
Zealot has 75 bas toughness
Base*
Psyker even less IIRC
I mean, I know, it's BASE toughness
But still
hidden moth
tried a rec lasgun build where the concept is u just hold m1 foerever. with fully loaded and shock trooper. infernus/headhunter on gun
ttk feels too high
esp against carapace enemies
are other lasgun variants any better or that's just how the gun is in general
warm schooner
Did you use onslaught if you want to shoot cara?
hollow ibex
tried a rec lasgun build where the concept is u just hold m1 foerever. with full...
So a shit build
vague wigeon
That's called actually efficient gun
tropic notch
tried a rec lasgun build where the concept is u just hold m1 foerever. with full...
If you’re wanting to do an all ranged build play psyker
warm schooner
(not saying that's necessarily a good idea)
hollow ibex
Sorry but you got baited into the ultimate noob vet playstyle
vague wigeon
Don't listen to Sirosky. That's a good build
tropic notch
Did you use onslaught if you want to shoot cara?
Onslaught isn’t worth
vague wigeon
It will work but will become boring after 10 missions
hidden moth
Did you use onslaught if you want to shoot cara?
onslaught looks crazy good
warm schooner
Onslaught isn’t worth
Yes I didn't say it was a good idea
tropic notch
I’d do power sword dbarrel
vague wigeon
onslaught looks crazy good
You need it for recon
hollow ibex
It will work but will become boring after 10 missions
You will be least damage with most ammo taken unless your teammates are braindead
hollow ibex
You need it for recon
You don’t
warm schooner
But you can try it
hollow ibex
onslaught looks crazy good
It’s a trap
hidden moth
yeah, looks like it's needed lol
hollow ibex
Looks good on paper
hidden moth
GUH
hollow ibex
Actually a crutch
vague wigeon
You will be least damage with most ammo taken unless your teammates are braindea...
Lol, no, you are wrong
hidden moth
You will be least damage with most ammo taken unless your teammates are braindea...
not for this build
the ammo regen is crazy
tropic notch
Recon vets do anything challenge impossible died and left
vague wigeon
Recon with shocktrooper and ramped crit chance it crazily ammo efficient
hollow ibex
not for this build
you have bad teammates then
vague wigeon
Mira than any gun
hidden moth
Recon with shocktrooper and ramped crit chance it crazily ammo efficient
yeah thats teh build
hollow ibex
doing a ranged only build is generally not a good idea on vet
the only exceptions are prob helbore
and ES Bolter (assuming team gives you all ammo)
hidden moth
what are the sweat choices for gun nowadays?
hidden moth
i assume boltgun and plasma gun are peak
tropic notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @hidden moth my build for vet
hollow ibex
what are the sweat choices for gun nowadays?
helbore, bolter, bistol, recon, plasma
tame lodge
What's DS blessings?
Uncanny Riposte Precognition
hollow ibex
shred and uncanny?
uncanny and precog, but shred/riposte would be ok too
vague wigeon
i assume boltgun and plasma gun are peak
Boltgun is pretty good, plasma isn't
tropic notch
shred and uncanny?
Uncanny riposte/precog
tame lodge
Any combination of these 3 should work
little path
what are the sweat choices for gun nowadays?
Plasma, bistol. That's about it
hidden moth
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/te...
doublebarrelshotgun goodddude?
vague wigeon
hollow ibex
it's not a generalist weapon
little path
oh also shotugn I guess
tropic notch
doublebarrelshotgun goodddude?
It’s vets best weapon specialist weapon
tropic notch
tfw no embeds
Gotta yap more
hollow ibex
<@100304036246335488>
Try this. It's very good, but very boring
https://youtu...
of course the ammo taken stat is hidden
vague wigeon
of course the ammo taken stat is hidden
Dude, I tried this build
tropic notch
<@100304036246335488>
Try this. It's very good, but very boring
https://youtu...
I’d only use recon if I’m dealing with pus hardened
vague wigeon
You NEVER. run out of ammo
hollow ibex
where the fuck is the actual build tho
past stratus
Even with the Helbore I still try to get desperado and trench fighter. It is very rare to sit back and shoot uncontested
hidden moth
<@100304036246335488>
Try this. It's very good, but very boring
https://youtu...
sometimes you crave this kind of build. it's like fast food
unga bunga hold m1
tropic notch
where the fuck is the actual build tho
Meme build lol
narrow widget
where's my squiggly line meme build 
hidden moth
LMAO
little path
Overall "gunner" builds aren't the aboslute meta for vet
vague wigeon
Tho I have adjusted it for myself.
I switched dueling sword for PSword
narrow widget
surely it's havoc 40 viable
little path
but still very strong
it's just that the """"""Absolute meta""""""" for vet is shout vet
with plasma or bistol
hidden moth
yep
little path
if you want the extra absolute hyper "meta"
hidden moth
im a no book, no shout, no bubble kinda guy
tropic notch
Look in vet chat and dey are still being silly
hidden moth
really popular teams
past stratus
Vet ain't the best class to be a hipster
narrow widget
if you want the extra absolute hyper "meta"
so ur saying that my hyper optimized build isn't meta 🥺
little path
bro is playing snake
past stratus
The triple node mmf at the end is the cherry on top
hidden moth
so ur saying that my hyper optimized build isn't meta 🥺
this looks like fortnite bushcamper build
narrow widget
The triple node mmf at the end is the cherry on top
ur right I should take out the string at the bottom and put it all into infiltrate
vague wigeon
I’d only use recon if I’m dealing with pus hardened
I mean, recon is so versatile that you can use it versus anything
vague wigeon
Trash mobs, flak, carapace, maniacs, bosses
narrow widget
master of the craft
past stratus
Perfect
little path
(maybe not carapace)
hidden moth
Trash mobs, flak, carapace, maniacs, bosses
felt good against bosses, but anything carapace and I might as well not be in the game
little path
Yes you COULD use the burn blessing to wittle them down but like... maybe don't
vague wigeon
(maybe not carapace)
Nah, it melts crushers
little path
maybe just stab em in the face
hidden moth
thrust
vague wigeon
Nah, it melts crushers
With onslaught
little path
nslaught
vague wigeon
But it you ate taking weapons with high fire rate you want onslaught anyway
little path
Was onslaught the one that resets all bonuses as soon as you hit something else
or was that another perk/blessing/talent
little path
or just stab em in the face
vague wigeon
And recon las will stack them back anyway in no time
hidden moth
Was onslaught the one that resets all bonuses as soon as you hit something else
brittleness stacks on continuous hits
little path
the TITHE MUST FLOW
hidden moth
holy shit im orange
narrow widget
hidden moth
little path
brittleness stacks on continuous hits
The wording is continous hits to a single target
hidden moth
yep
vague wigeon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255620750467928074/1356636588171591840/h...
Fucking flashbang
little path
I believe it basically resets the bonus as soon as anything else is hit
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255620750467928074/1356636588171591840/h...
Gloriana starting section my beloved
little path
fun in meme builds though probably
vague wigeon
You still want it to shoot bosses and crushers
little path
Uneeded on bosses, crushers, sure
vague wigeon
As I said - try the build I've sent to you @hidden moth
long dove
I need like
vague wigeon
Nah
hidden moth
it has too much aura
wait nvm, i was thinking of the wrong one
vague wigeon
Unlike useless builds with plasma and weapon spec this one is actually works
vague wigeon
But it's up to you
vague wigeon
Where build
In the video, bruh
hollow ibex
In the video, bruh
I didn’t see no build
little path
Timestamp the build
vague wigeon
Sound like your problem
hidden moth
vague wigeon
Because it is there
hollow ibex
Sound like your problem
Next time just post the build instead of some shitters video
hollow ibex
what the fuck is this DS lol
hidden moth
does uncanny still work for DOT's?
hollow ibex
running stam regen
vague wigeon
does uncanny still work for DOT's?
Yep
little path
does uncanny still work for DOT's?
Yes
hidden moth
basado
hollow ibex
running opening salvo
vague wigeon
running stam regen
Because you do run stam regen
long dove
what is that build???
hollow ibex
Because you do run stam regen
you don't
vague wigeon
You do, unless you are bad
hollow ibex
nah
vague wigeon
Because vet's regen sucks
warm schooner
vague wigeon
you clearly don't know shit about vet
Now you are talking to yourself
hollow ibex
Now you are talking to yourself
i'm talking to this clueless mfer right here 
hidden moth
opening salvo on the rec lasgun goes kinda hard
vague wigeon
sprint eff > stam regen on vet
SPRINT EFFICIENCY
hollow ibex
opening salvo on the rec lasgun goes kinda hard
waste of a point when you have reciprocity
little path
stam regen is definitely a weird one
vague wigeon
Like
hollow ibex
SPRINT EFFICIENCY<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
go read the guide in the pins. educate yourself.
if you can read
hollow ibex
and yoru reaction tells me you didn't even try it
vague wigeon
Than sprit eff
vague wigeon
I did, bro
hollow ibex
keep using your inferior stam perks
narrow widget
Because vet's regen sucks
veteran
worse stamina regen than a psyker who has probably never had to run in his life
hollow ibex
not my problem
narrow widget
yea
vague wigeon
You're just a walking meme on the vet topic@hollow ibex
hollow ibex
You're just a walking meme on the vet topic<@195316712143323137>
tbh 90% of what i say is just what path researched
if you have a problem with that
prove him wrong
calm shard
I use stamina regen :(
calm shard
I'm losing my stamina to push attacks and deadshot not sprinting
hollow ibex
I'm losing my stamina to push attacks and deadshot not sprinting
too much psyker
vague wigeon
tbh 90% of what i say is just what path researched
90% of what you say is malice-level bullshit that won't survive even in damnation, let alone aurics or havocs
little path
People actually run deadshot?
calm shard
too much psyker
honestly probably true
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https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605
take this into havoc party finder bro trust me
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f5e3882-1148-4302-b437-df5547e99151
warm schooner
Yes people run Deadshot effectively in high havoc
tame lodge
Oh Svyat is back
hollow ibex
90% of what you say is malice-level bullshit that won't survive even in damnatio...
i don't want to hear this from the guy advocating for onslaught
fucking clown
hidden moth
take this into havoc party finder bro trust me
https://darktide.gameslantern.com...
he said "bro trust me", it must be good
little path
90% of what you say is malice-level bullshit that won't survive even in damnatio...
bro, anything and everything works in auric
it's auric
calm shard
It's REALLY funny on the Vraks infantry autogun though
hollow ibex
bro, anything and everything works in auric
not for @vague wigeon
calm shard
Just obliterate a crusher in less than a second with your little rifle
hollow ibex
It's ***REALLY*** funny on the Vraks infantry autogun though
yeah it's very funny with vraks
vague wigeon
fucking clown
Nice to meet you, fucking clown. I'm Svyat
calm shard
I would never run it on a serious build though
It's just too expensive and weapon dependent
hollow ibex
It's just too expensive and weapon dependent
3 points just because you don't know how to melee crushers 😭
necessary for some people tho
vague wigeon
bro, anything and everything works in auric
If you are good - yes.
I mean, there are dude who finished havoc 40 with lvl 1 char.
But also there are dudes who follow Sirosky's advises(Or advises of similar people) and spent the whole game in spectator mode
calm shard
Uh no offense to you but Sirosky is definitely correct here because Path isn't exactly a nobody
And sprint efficiency being good is Path's advice
They made the guide that's pinned in this discord
hollow ibex
nah trust me, the guy who extensively researched and spent months writing a 100 page guide on the class is wrong
warm schooner
Nothing wrong with sprint efficiency for sure
warm schooner
Who cares
hidden moth
hollow ibex
Let people play what they like
i'm totally fine with that, unless it's a rumblergryn or smyker
little path
How often do y'all take the Left keystone?
hollow ibex
How often do y'all take the Left keystone?
i never but freaks like @calm shard will take it
calm shard
How often do y'all take the Left keystone?
I take it all the damn time because I am horribly addicted to executioner's stance
little path
I'm redoing my exe stance builds (I like to use them for fun)
calm shard
The D A M A G E
little path
I'm just not sure if it's better to take the keystone
or take other perks like onsalught for the memes
or trench figher fo rlike
some more effectiveness in not dying in melee
but also I'm using the DS so like
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How often do y'all take the Left keystone?
I don't see why youd take it over ws
little path
I'm probably not dying anyway
calm shard
I don't see why youd take it over ws
the D A M A G E
little path
I don't see why youd take it over ws
For fun exec stance builds
vague wigeon
And sprint efficiency being good is Path's advice
Sprint efficiency is a meme stat.
Again, you are taking stamina not only for sprint.
And, well, I don't really care about who or how said stuff. I check it in game and say facts.
Even everyone's beloved youtubers like Reginald, Mr. E or Tanner can be wrong
calm shard
Those three are almost always wrong
hollow ibex
well tanner's just gone now too right?
calm shard
Path literally made the guide to the class that is pinned in this discord
vague wigeon
And if something - I'd rather put Tanner above Sirosky because even Tanner was making like correct points
hidden moth
Path *literally made the guide to the class that is pinned in this discord*
where
calm shard
You gonna go into the Ogryn chat and say that the people who wrote the Ogrynomicon are wrong?
little path
Sprint efficiency is a meme stat.
Again, you are taking stamina not only for sp...
Brother you're basically saying "Only my research matters"
faint beacon
well tanner's just gone now too right? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
yeah they're on a blacklist for a reason
hollow ibex
And if something - I'd rather put Tanner above Sirosky because even Tanner was m...
yeah i'm not a misogynistic racist like tanner, who's also totally fucking braindead. i need to aspire to do better.
that way i can join the ranks of legendary vet players
like tanner and syvat
vague wigeon
Brother you're basically saying "Only my research matters"
Not research.
I check research of other people as see how correct they are
formal ice
well tanner's just gone now too right? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I will kill you if you keep mentioning Darktide's Voldemort
hollow ibex
'he who shall not be named'
vague wigeon
I mean, from Tanner I got the opinion about plasma being OP
But guess what? He was wrong
faint beacon
I will kill you if you keep mentioning Darktide's Voldemort
its funny as hell cause they're blacklisted
little path
plasma? Not op?
vague wigeon
But aside from this he made pretty good points
little path
eeh I mean
little path
not OP but probably still top 3 guns
calm shard
But aside from this he made pretty good points
huh
formal ice
But guess what? He was wrong
Didn't he also said that the best dump stat is damage?
faint beacon
Didn't he also said that the best dump stat is damage?
little path
Don't think I've heard anyone say that except like
2 years ago when talking about the flame weapons
narrow widget
Didn't he also said that the best dump stat is damage?
don't think anyone has ever said that
faint beacon
2 years ago when talking about the flame weapons
Flamer is like the only weapon that wants damage dump
thats it
little path
I don't play zealot. I just know people used to say that about the purgatus staff as well
and they were not correct
formal ice
don't think anyone has ever said that
Dude there was someone on another class chat talking about damage being best dump
vague wigeon
plasma? Not op?
It is OP if you consider infantry lasgun OP.
Because plasma is basically infantry lasgun(Breakpoint-wise) but with cleave and a ton of fire-restrictions. Oh, and it also can deal with carapace
faint beacon
don't think anyone has ever said that
People hardcore argued that for bleed knife back in the day which- made no sense
vague wigeon
Didn't he also said that the best dump stat is damage?
I didn't heard this point from him
formal ice
I am very sure he made a video about it
vague wigeon
Maybe because I'm not watching every video of every youtuber
little path
It is OP if you consider infantry lasgun OP.
Because plasma is basically infan...
Isn't that why it's kinda way better?
formal ice
I am very sure...
little path
because plasma can just 1 tap out the box
while lasguns require crits and other buffs
calm shard
It is OP if you consider infantry lasgun OP.
Because plasma is basically infan...
plasma gun takes way less investment to hit the breakpoints that ilas does
little path
and also shoot through a crowd
calm shard
and underselling the cleave like that is not helping your case
calm shard
because the plasma gun goes through walls
vague wigeon
because plasma can just 1 tap out the box
To the head, with perks and, sometimes, blessings
tame lodge
I don't play zealot. I just know people used to say that about the purgatus staf...
It used to be purgas as well
vague wigeon
because the plasma gun ***goes through walls***
Oh, I tend to forget this
little path
no crits required
tame lodge
But blaze Away showed up
last shale
calm shard
It also has like damn near infinite cleave into enemies
It can go through multiple maulers iirc
faint beacon
But blaze Away showed up
Now it’s a nuke with it lmao
little path
I wish they didn't add the brittleness blessing on the purge staff
vague wigeon
no crits required
With lasgun you have crits almost guaranteed
faint beacon
<:SickVomitBoy:1141432011907682445>
It fires nerf darts
vague wigeon
And lasgun has "Bro just shoot again" option
faint beacon
Actually holy shit an Agri Shotty does more than that lmao
little path
lasgun you gotta ADS though to be accurate
vague wigeon
Unlike plasma which will overheat
little path
overheating is basically a joke mechanic
calm shard
Unlike plasma which will overheat
Yeah after eight shots
faint beacon
lasgun you gotta ADS though to be accurate
Unless you’re being suppressed and you didn’t take Determined
calm shard
And it doesn't explode unless you use the useless right clicks
faint beacon
Now your sight is bouncing all over the screen cause it’s the rare effected by suppression weapon
vague wigeon
lasgun you gotta ADS though to be accurate
Oh, also plasma blast will cover you line of sight so good luck shooting without pauses
vague wigeon
Yeah after **eight** shots
Eight shots is nothing
calm shard
I know how to press the tag button so yeah I'll keep shooting
little path
okay that's not something I've ever heard ANYONE complaina bout
I have NEVER
in my life seen someone say the plasma shot is too blinding
calm shard
I think the most enemies that I've ever had to shoot back to back in a match is like...11?
faint beacon
Nothing burger statement
vague wigeon
I know how to press the tag button so yeah I'll keep shooting
And will lose some of the precious shots into nothing or lose blaze away stacks
calm shard
And that's with executioners stance where I am going out of my way to kill every elite and special
little path
And will lose some of the precious shots into nothing or lose blaze away stacks
so then don't miss?
calm shard
Yeah missing is not a fault of the weapon
vague wigeon
like flamers and purge staff sure
How tf purge staff if blinding
vague wigeon
so then don't miss?
How if you can't see anything?
little path
not for you, for your team
faint beacon
Alright yeah no that’s ragebait lmao
little path
also for you sometimes
vague wigeon
Kinda
little path
It's so good but the 2 extra points is like.... eeeh
faint beacon
You get toughness from shredders
little path
yeah IK
faint beacon
It’s useful
little path
it just regends so much
vague wigeon
It's so good but the 2 extra points is like.... eeeh
It's basically any non-middle path experience
hollow ibex
But you really only need 1 path
And with the taxes you should really only take one path
little path
yeah and confirmed kill + Close order is so godamn good
calm shard
yeah and confirmed kill + Close order is so godamn good
eh
little path
33 toughnes DR and the regen from elite kills is so tasty
I'll try to reword the question
which path would y'all take on a for fun exec stance build
faint beacon
Hot take
calm shard
not having good toughness regen when the elites/specials are all dead is miserable though
calm shard
which path would y'all take on a for fun exec stance build
O4B every time
You need the toughness regen from killing basic ranged enemies
vague wigeon
which path would y'all take on a for fun exec stance build
Out for blood and middle
faint beacon
Exhil Takedown would be good if it counted melee also but nerfed the toughness gain to like idfk 5/10% so it’s not a better O4B
Probably Weakspot kill also instead of hit
calm shard
It would also be good if I didn't have to waste a talent point on Longshot for it
I want that ability badly
faint beacon
Longshart
faint beacon
That would be too much tbh
little path
Basically all 3 of the nodes attached to exec should be by default
I'll fight you on this
also buff it from 5 seconds to 10
can't even reload my bolter in time to shoot again
calm shard
Basically all 3 of the nodes attached to exec should be by default
I would rather the team marking ability be removed entirely
vague wigeon
which path would y'all take on a for fun exec stance build
This.
But change starting talents for middle path + weapon swap and out for blood
calm shard
Than be default behaviour
vague wigeon
No grenades but 1-2 taps with headshots on lascarbine
little path
No grenades 🤢
hollow ibex
This.
But change starting talents for middle path + weapon swap and out for bl...
lol what the fuck is this
faint beacon
I would rather the team marking ability be removed entirely
They should just have it refresh the vets timer at a far shorter cost imo
hollow ibex
ChatGPT ahhh build
faint beacon
That + a small group buff
vague wigeon
Yep, but you need to ramp crits
vague wigeon
lol what the fuck is this
Something that works, unlike your bullshit
calm shard
Granted running heavy gun investment on vet is always going to be a bit scuffed
can't afford to go bottom right
calm shard
Something that works, unlike your bullshit
You have Deadshot with no way to regenerate your stamina
Your build "works'" for all of 10 seconds before sputtering and dying like a broken engine
faint beacon
🥀
vague wigeon
You have Deadshot with **no way to regenerate your stamina**
Keystone nodes + stamina regen curio
tame lodge
💀
calm shard
You also dodged the stamina regen delay node above it
past stratus
unironically longshot into deadshot is crazier than the last time when he went "Plasma guns should never need to headshot"
faint beacon
Dead shot with no stamina gain on the class with the most abysmal dogshit stamina Econ in the game
vague wigeon
Your build "works'" for all of 10 seconds before sputtering and dying like a bro...
If it is so for you - it's a skill issue
calm shard
You have no stamina regen
Your build is literally on a time limit
There is no skilling your way out of that
vague wigeon
Are you stupid?
faint beacon
calm shard
It doesn't do that by default
vague wigeon
And you have stamina regen curios
calm shard
little path
Keystone nodes + stamina regen curio
Doesn't that get paused while you're shooting
calm shard
You didn't take that node on the build you posted
tame lodge
You don't have that
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You took Camouflage
🥀
tame lodge
You have camouflage
calm shard
vague wigeon
You have camouflage
Oh fucking hell
faint beacon
Jarvis pull up “Target Down!” On Focus Target
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Jarvis clip that
vague wigeon
But not on the screen
little path
Catch your breath got buffed right?
faint beacon
Yes
little path
Any good now?
vague wigeon
I also still have determined on it
faint beacon
Get hit
tame lodge
Get hit
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Get stuck in!
little path
wtf does the wording make it say get swung at
little path
bruh fuck these devs
tame lodge
Can't block the attack as well
faint beacon
bruh fuck these devs
It’s Fatshark
calm shard
wtf does the wording make it say get swung at
No it's if you block or get hit by the attack
narrow widget
wtf does the wording make it say get swung at
Targeted by a melee attack
little path
every curio has a hidden decimal
faint beacon
You should know this by now
narrow widget
hollow ibex
Something that works, unlike your bullshit
bet you're really carrying those sedation matches aren't you! what a good boy.
steep flower
Either CK or O4B pathing
I take both & its good 
vague wigeon
bet you're really carrying those sedation matches aren't you! what a good boy.
Keep seething
calm shard
I mean you also posted a veteran build that had no grenade regen
So your knowledge of the class is tenuous at best
vague wigeon
This.
But change starting talents for middle path + weapon swap and out for bl...
So basically this.
But again, no nades
calm shard
Considering how strong Shredders are known to be
vague wigeon
I mean you also posted a veteran build that had no grenade regen
This is conscious decision, bruh
narrow widget
So basically this.
But again, no nades
why are you taking both toughness replenishment options but no nades
vague wigeon
why are you taking both toughness replenishment options but no nades
First of all
Why should I?
past stratus
real gamers go Knife only, no abilities and no keystones.
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real gamers go Knife only, no abilities and no keystones.
real 40k fans go mk4 chainsqord only
little path
First of all
Why should I?
Because grenades combined with O4B destroys crowds, knocks over every enemy, applies bleed which is boosted by Uncanny on weapons
calm shard
Aside from this - I sacrificed them for more damage
You didn't sacrifice them for more damage you sacrificed them for toughness regen, marking shooters, and 10% crit chance on reload :/
little path
gives you and your team room when needed
vague wigeon
Because grenades combined with O4B destroys crowds, knocks over every enemy, app...
I don't use weapons with uncanny in this build.
I do with grenade build tho
calm shard
Because if you wanna talk damage you're missing Bring It Down and For The Emperor
little path
okay but what about all the other points
past stratus
real 40k fans go mk4 chainsqord only
Sister Repentia build, chainsword, no defensive talents, no other weapons. No Toughness curios, only stamina and damage
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Sister Repentia build, chainsword, no defensive talents, no other weapons. No To...
and faith in the emperor 🫡
past stratus
and faith in the emperor 🫡
that's all you need 🙏
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vague wigeon
Because if you wanna talk damage you're missing Bring It Down and For The Empero...
Nah, for the emperor has too short uptime so I switched it firstly for extra toughness for the team, then for suppression
hollow ibex
Faith is a crutch
vague wigeon
Tbh I can't feel any of these talents
steep flower
Tbh I can't feel any of these talents
Cause you die with this build; it is to be expected
vague wigeon
Cause you die with this build; it is to be expected
Kinda the opposite
little path
Okay I can at least agree that the uptime on all the orange nodes are pretty short for an exec stance build
hollow ibex
you guys should do a h40 together
little path
but I also don't think toughness regen for my allies is worthwhile
long dove
is mortis easiest way to get the headshots I need>
little path
If they didn't build terrible they usually can regen more than enough toughness on their own
vague wigeon
You have iron will and two toughness regen talents.
You shouldn't go down.
If you do - skill issue
steep flower
you guys should do a h40 together
Would be thrilling to see mah man in action; build is 1 thing, gameplay is 2nd
warm schooner
stream it
vague wigeon
And to fix no melee talents I brought psword
steep flower
You have iron will and two toughness regen talents.
You shouldn't go down.
I...
don't forget COD
calm shard
I usually use heavy sword but that's because I run Helbore IV on exe
Bad carapace adm can't hurt me if I just kill them in one shot with my infinite ammo death ray
steep flower
I usually use heavy sword but that's because I run Helbore IV on exe
Hsword my beloved 
vague wigeon
To ye, basically you kill anything from the distance, aside from crushers and the things you can't kill from the distance you kill with psword
past stratus
Psword without any melee talents
warm schooner
psword without any movement speed nodes feels like such ass
vague wigeon
Psword without any melee talents
You literally don't need any for it
calm shard
You very much can kill crushers from a distance
warm schooner
or swing speed
calm shard
Especially with executioner's stance
steep flower
You literally don't need any for it
on that i can agree
calm shard
It's actually quite easy with the good guns for exe stance play
vague wigeon
You very much can kill crushers from a distance
Not with kantael
calm shard
Yeah which is why I specified the good guns for exe stance play after the fact
steep flower
Because I dislike helbore
How so?
vague wigeon
I mean, helbore is cool, but its ADS sucks
past stratus
The only melee I want to play if I don't have desperado and Trench is the DS or the Knife. The PSword feels like a clunky chunk of metal with no modifiers
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is mortis easiest way to get the headshots I need>
for mmf penance? just go to mercantile in the first room around the corner and fire the duckbill combat shotgun (I think it was zarona) at head level
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easiest way to cheese the penance
vague wigeon
Also plasma needs the same system as helbore
long dove
for mmf penance? just go to mercantile in the first room around the corner and f...
For Adept Assassin
vague wigeon
So it could aim with iron sights
abstract sand
Sister Repentia build, chainsword, no defensive talents, no other weapons. No To...
No
vague wigeon
For Adept Assassin
Oh dawn. The worst penance
long dove
250 crit weakpoint kills with weapon expert active
long dove
Oh dawn. The worst penance
I only have like 20 left
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250 crit weakpoint kills with weapon expert active
oh that
take any melee + revolver and get 3 melee kills, swap revolver, and burst heads
abstract sand
Oh wait
little path
So it could aim with iron sights
no thanks
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in other words just play the game
abstract sand
This is Veteran class chat
long dove
just getting to kill something wihtout it being yoinked is the problem
past stratus
do martyrdom
no because that is actually cool and useful, we were making a lil hehehaha
vague wigeon
I only have like 20 left
I was doing it in mortis trials with bolt pistol
little path
I would rather have a clear screen with just a zoom than have it covered up by iron sights
narrow widget
Nevermind. Do whatever you want
long dove
I was doing it in mortis trials with bolt pistol
bistol to me is a bit iffy. Zarona has be more consistant
past stratus
Zealot can be Repentia unironically
long dove
I also can't do mortis or wahtever by myself apparently?
abstract sand
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Yeah you're going to hell for this
past stratus
with evi and all
vague wigeon
bistol to me is a bit iffy. Zarona has be more consistant
Just preference.
narrow widget
Yeah you're going to hell for this
the tree is perfectly optimized for this
0 talent points left over
long dove
Just preference.
oh I know. i tried with Bistol
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god willed this to happen
past stratus
The Squigly build.
vague wigeon
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
FFS what is this
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FFS what is this
it's peak is what it is
vague wigeon
How does it work?
long dove
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
what on earth?
abstract sand
How does it work?
it doesn't
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How does it work?
it doesnt
long dove
How does it work?
barely
abstract sand
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it tries its best
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maybe you should just give it a chance
past stratus
it's not about gameplay it's about the aesthetic
vague wigeon
Looking at it made me miss camouflage talent
The old one
When you could actually play ranged
As it was supposed to
little path
Old camo was stupidly broken
long dove
is there a way to do a mission solo?
vague wigeon
Nope
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no
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is there a way to do a mission solo?
actually wait yea
vague wigeon
Only private lobby with friend
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South Africa servers
long dove
oh fair lol
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and pray that no one joins
vague wigeon
y'know how you can change servers in the mission board?
Yeah, but...
long dove
I just wanted to try and do Malice run and try and get the headshots I needed before doing Mercantile for MMF
vague wigeon
I mean
I didn't expect them to be this dead
Because I saw it but never did
Wouldn't ping fuck you?
long dove
Don't mean to be that guy but I didn't expect South Africa to have a thriving gaming community
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idk I did that for the mmf penance and was averaging 350 ping
so it wasn't exactly unplayable
but it wasn't ideal either
long dove
idk for some reason yesterday I could connect o Hong Kong servers and get 3ms
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(I live in NA east)
past stratus
isn't there a solo mod?
vague wigeon
Is there?
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idk if it counts for penances though
long dove
well South Africa here I come
vague wigeon
Well, game not exactly designed to be played alone
calm shard
isn't there a solo mod?
Yes, but you can't do penances with it
past stratus
Yes, but you can't do penances with it
ah i see, I forget people hunt penances and stuff
grand perch
without question
little path
RAAAAAAH
vague wigeon
Flame one
little path
aight so why agripinaa
vague wigeon
If you don't like slug one - take flame one
little path
I hate all the combat shotties
vague wigeon
aight so why agripinaa
Because slugs
vague wigeon
I hate all the combat shotties
Tbh same. They feel like plastic guns
grand perch
agrip has tight spread and can do crazy damage with certain setup. probably still great damage even if you dont spec heavily into the shotty
vague wigeon
Is exterminator shotgun good?
Yes.
Is it better than CS? No.
Does it feel better? Fuck yeah
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replace it with a BOIOIOIOING
grand perch
oh god that thought
little path
The lower cleave and worse base damage is also part of it
grand perch
id take a literal nerf gun over boioioing
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id take a literal nerf gun over boioioing
I need a silly sound replacement for everything I got it all planned out n shit
bolter gets the metal pipe falling sfx
vague wigeon
agrip has tight spread and can do crazy damage with certain setup. probably stil...
Tight spread like
"You can trigger full bore blessing while shooting targets literally 40 meters away" tight
vague wigeon
The lower cleave and worse base damage is also part of it
Per shot? Probably.
But generally combat shotgun has better damage
desert viper
if you put a slug round in it'll proc full bore
vague wigeon
And more ammo
vague wigeon
if you put a slug round in it'll proc full bore
I was talking about buck
desert viper
oh dang
vague wigeon
Not slugs
You can even find video in Arby chat
Tho It was like week ago
Maybe not 40 but 30 definitely
Like, shooting mailers and Gunners in meat grinders while standing behind ragers
This distance
long dove
What's the name of mission with the kitchen?
vague wigeon
Kitchen?
long dove
I think it's that one
vague wigeon
There's also always rangers behind first wall
long dove
Yeah that
red robin
Stimming at the carnival
long dove
Is there a way to just queue into that or pray it pops up?
red robin
Me when I want to run rolling steel but it’s never around
grand perch
it went out for smokes
red robin
I just want the high octane rolling steel ost and scrambling about to win
Literally my fav song
I ran a 5k while listening to it and jesper kyds genius inspired me to give it my all
Tism really is a superpower
“If my vet can do it so can I”
vague wigeon
Is there a way to just queue into that or pray it pops up?
Play campaign and you will have it guaranteed
tropic notch
“If my vet can do it so can I”
Now think about zealots cardio
fringe aspen
i want the infantry autogun to feel good wehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
kicking and screaming
grand perch
sit down on that couch and tell me how you feel using IAG
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Now think about zealots cardio
psykers cardio bro can run longer than vet
tropic notch
psykers cardio bro can run longer than vet
I mean they can also fly
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true
grand perch
they can also explode
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I will survive!
fringe aspen
sit down on that couch and tell me how you feel using IAG
it feels really nice when i shoot into all targets but crushers but then i realize my ammo efficiency is awful and bad
and it has no cleave
sadface crying emoji
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it feels really nice when i shoot into all targets but crushers but then i reali...
clearly you aren't sucking up enough ammo
fringe aspen
these massive bullets have zero cleave are they only giving us hollow points?
fringe aspen
purging heretics the only way i know how
Nerf or Nothing
tame lodge
these massive bullets have zero cleave are they only giving us hollow points?
If you're talking about vraks5
1.1something
If Agri
2.1
You're not hitting 4 cleave anytime soon
long dove
I hate that power sword bug so much
past stratus
bug?
long dove
the one where I power it and get it and it loses charge
so I only get like one powered swing
hollow ibex
fatshart: it's been fixed bro
safe kestrel
Anyone have voice of command talent tree layouts to recommend? I can’t access the cloud document and have it populate the right way
gleaming viper
is 20% max hp curio worth getting
hollow ibex
is 20% max hp curio worth getting
yeah max is 21
21s are pretty rare
so until you get a 21, 20 is going to be perfectly fine
gleaming viper
is hp a good curio stat
hollow ibex
is hp a good curio stat
yeah, though prob a bit less useful in havoc
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https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fr...
why this instead of duck and dive
hollow ibex
why this instead of duck and dive
that's a flex point tbh, but duck and dive isn't super useful unless you're using deadshot or something
which this build does not use
so i'd rather take 25 toughness, which is a lot if you're running 2 hp curios
which is what i normally do for auric vet
safe kestrel
That’s pretty cool and funny. Intuitively I went with the same bottom right because everything else looked bad by comparison
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That’s pretty cool and funny. Intuitively I went with the same bottom right beca...
iron will and demo team are talents I always take whenever possible
safe kestrel
iron will and demo team are talents I always take whenever possible
How long/much does that 50% last in a higher level game like auric or above?
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it'll save you from the first and second hits and then ideally you shout to gain that toughness back or start playing tighter
safe kestrel
How does the chat rate the leaks grenade vs the shredder?
safe kestrel
it'll save you from the first and second hits and then ideally you shout to gain...
Nice
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shredder frag objectively the best vet grenade for general use and just chucking around randomly like this build wants you to do, but kraks and smokes do see some niche use
biggest part is just how spammable the nade is tho
safe kestrel
I’m starting out pretty good at getting it right on the target I want
My build looks mostly like his except taking kraks
heavy rover
Anyone have voice of command talent tree layouts to recommend? I can’t access th...
here's my build that I run if you want to have a look. There are notes at the bottom with regards to flexibility https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc
solemn violet
Is Brutal Momemtum on the Power Sword worth it? I thought the powered-up strikes have extreme cleave already? (Hence why dump stat is Cleave Targets for example)
heavy rover
Brutal Momentum is pretty much the go-to for power sword
safe kestrel
What exactly does “ignore enemy hit mass” mean?
past stratus
Power Cycler is the main thing in the Power Sword
little path
You can swing through all enemies
solemn violet
Thats crazy. I thought for sure with the powered up strikes you don't need that and rather take a dmg blessing because you are already locked into power cycler. (But I am also not into cleave math)
heavy rover
yeah I meant in addition to power cycler, sorry if I wasn't clear
little path
I think it's because the powerswords don't have infinite cleave anymore
they nerfed it because it was OP
long dove
To do the power cancel on the Psword I just immediately hit block when I hit the charge button right?
long dove
you really don't want the sick ass charge animation???
Not when I'm in a horde lmao
heavy rover
yeah
long dove
also do anyof these backpacks go with this armor?
little path
No
long dove
So I should prolly just take it off entirely
little path
yes
long dove
fair
little path
maybe if it was a vox caster
I like to run the top middle pack with the deadeye sentry uniform
the green one with the waist coat
solemn violet
top middle
long dove
Sacred Texts?
little path
nu
solemn violet
sacred texts clip trough 90% of cosmetics - avoid
little path
most backpacks are quite ugly
gleaming viper
is longshot worth using with plasma gun
gleaming viper
like is the range dropoff really bad
little path
basically it's super very rarely ever worth the talent point
there's better talents for damage boosts
and vet's talent tree has so many "mandatory" nodes
long dove
oh btw
little path
that the point for longshot could be put to better use
long dove
All Penances completed on Vet!
gleaming viper
kinda hard to decide on which 2 to go for from the first 3 branches
exhilerating takedown / confirmed kill / out for blood
all seem like good options for survivability? but idk which one would be best
little path
exhil is basically not part of the discussion
it's not bad
it's just that longshot is the first point required
confirmed and O4B are both strong
most people go with O4B because the shredder grenades are fucking stronk
@long dove
These are my two loadouts for vet
only time I feel like the backpack works is the green one
gleaming viper
i dont like the roll mat backpack its ugly
gleaming viper
i have like 2 free points that idk what to do with
little path
heavy armor and full prepped for getting stuck in for days
little path
i have like 2 free points that idk what to do with
can't help unless you showed the build
little path
People send screenshots of games lantern
gleaming viper
little path
well you're pretty close to the "meta" loadout for vet
gleaming viper
ive just been kinda going for whatever sounds best