veteran-class

[unreal nova]

Just hope other player is willing to deal with the specials from the back.

I wish they nerfed the numbers on those like they did with arby.

2500 kills is hell.

[long dove]

Part of me may try to use recon and just get 15 stacks and sit there unloading.

Doesn't help atm that I'm getting the dumbest teams tonight

[unreal nova]

No, do not do 15 stacks.

[remote knoll]

I like veteran but after playing arbitrator all of these classes need a rework, they should not feel this weak.

[unreal nova]

Not worth.

[long dove]

Ogryn doesn't

[remote knoll]

True

Ogryn good

[long dove]

Figured 15 gives me space to move

[unreal nova]

Psykers still okay.

[normal bay]

Psyker doesn't need much either tbh

[long dove]

Vet is next on rework

[unreal nova]

Is max stacks. You take 15, you need 15 to get kill credit.

[remote knoll]

Arbitrator can walk on flame grenade i touched it as vet with full toughness and health and went down instantly

[long dove]

It says 10 or more but I guess it lies

[normal bay]

Camouflage node, stay crouched. Profit

[grand perch]

Don't use recon with mmf outside of farming penance please.

Very little benefit

[unreal nova]

Is why ppl just say crabwalk simulator.

[remote knoll]

I played veteran earlier in the game when it released then took a massive break, like a year long break and it felt way stronger then than it does now.

[long dove]

I'm not. I use it on my havoc build

[remote knoll]

For make every shot count mission i recommend revolver with all ammo boost and regen perks removed on the train map and shooting into hordes

I did it today

[normal bay]

Double Barrel

[unreal nova]

I did archivum for mine. Shot crushers. XD

[normal bay]

No need to aim

[unreal nova]

I count every time to minmax.

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah, did you manage on overwatch?

[remote knoll]

True but you have to shoot more, the quicker u can get rid of bullets and use melee then beat the mission the better usually

[unreal nova]

Still lets you shoot hordes.

[normal bay]

I ran out of ammo halfway through, wasn't an issue

[long dove]

Yup. Overwatcha nd the accuracy one done

[unreal nova]

MMF is just a boring chore.

[long dove]

Hmm autogun or recon if I'm doing the crabwalk?

[long dove]

Yeah it is.

[unreal nova]

Anything with accuracy and tons of bullets.

[grand perch]

Unless you actually enjoy mmf. Like me

[normal bay]

I tried both, recon just has way more ammo with shock trooper

[unreal nova]

WS only. FT might work now after doggo.

[normal bay]

Vraks IAG feels really nice to use with MMF though

[long dove]

After playing with it it just feels unreliable unless I'm doing something like helbore

[grand perch]

Keeping stacks is the biggest hurdle

[long dove]

Yeah, at that point I rather use FT

[grand perch]

I haven't found out yet who I need to bribe to rework mmf ahead of time

Most pain in the ass keystone of all

[uneven cedar]

Am I missing something or is the shovel's special attack hilariously pointless?

[grand perch]

Which shovel

[normal bay]

Well on the mk1 it has great stagger and on the folding shovels it can one shot a crusher

[uneven cedar]

The sapper.

[uneven cedar]

Hmmmm...

[unreal nova]

Mk 1 is poke rager heds for funni.

Mk 3 and 7 is crack armored.

[uneven cedar]

Oh I think my game's UI bugged when testing it out in the Psykanium.

I thought I swapped from the mk1 to the mk3 but I didn't.

I like the mk3 special.

This is fun.

[lost silo]

do i need +2 stam on melee weapon

[uneven cedar]

It would depend on your build.

I don't think so generally speaking.

[unreal nova]

Mk3 is better than mk 7 personally.

Mk7 tries to be mk 1 and mk 3 but it does both worse.

[uneven cedar]

Only just started a veteran so I haven't got the mk7 unlocked yet but the mk3 is very fun.

I only wish it's attack patterns weren't so brainless.

[unreal nova]

Mk 1 is purely for horde cc, mk 3 is focused on killing crushers and arnoured.

[lost silo]

what if i need a horde control weapon ?

[unreal nova]

2 fold heavy to kill auric crushers.

[uneven cedar]

0o0

[unreal nova]

Try skullcrusher and decimator. Cara flak.

[uneven cedar]

I am intrigued.

[unreal nova]

Don't need uncanny.

[uneven cedar]

It's always skullcrusher lmao.

[lost silo]

also is better to go %25 flak and cara or %25 unarmoured and cara

[unreal nova]

Just hit heads.

[normal bay]

As a weapon perk? No, not worth it

[uneven cedar]

Imo flak is generally not an issue.

[unreal nova]

I prefer flak to ensure deletion of every special and gunners in 1 fold heavy.

[lost silo]

unarmoured is it

uh oh

2 opinions

i'm confused

[uneven cedar]

Go with theirs.

[lost silo]

okah

[uneven cedar]

There's a reason why I'm giving an opinion.

[unreal nova]

You can try it out to see your preference.

[uneven cedar]

I only just unlocked Havoc like 2 days ago lmao.

I learning.

[unreal nova]

But the shovel kinda sucks at unyielding anyway so I don't think is worth.

[normal bay]

Can one shot them with thrust + cara

[unreal nova]

Yes, but then you have thrust.

[normal bay]

I regret nothing (my horde clear sucks)

[unreal nova]

I'm generally offering a more general one where you can still clear hordes because deci.

[lost silo]

when should i start a new class ?

[uneven cedar]

When you want to.

[lost silo]

ok then

[normal bay]

I levelled up all my classes at the same time

[uneven cedar]

You can have up to 8 characters.

[grand perch]

I don't understand decimator, I put it on my shovel and it doesn't kill every 10th man in a platoon

[uneven cedar]

xD

[viral chasm]

does devil claw sword special can counter boss attack?

[unreal nova]

Uncanny is just pointless on shovel since no real bonus breakpoints from my tests.

[uneven cedar]

Most, yes.

[grand perch]

Am I too Roman to understand these barbaric blessings?

[uneven cedar]

But some it does not. I believe it's overheads that can't be parried? Not super sure.

[unreal nova]

Just bonk more.

[unreal nova]

You can. Need perfect parry.

[normal bay]

Yes

But I don't know what you need to be to understand Fatsharks descriptions

[unreal nova]

So 0.3 sec before it hits.

[normal bay]

Some are just straight up wrong

[uneven cedar]

Oh that's very learnable.

[viral chasm]

so how you guys feel DC after the buff?
and why so many impact blessings on a sword

[uneven cedar]

Does impact affect the parry stagger?

[long dove]

Oh any tips for ways to get Adept Assassin completed?

[normal bay]

Still has bad horde clear, still struggles with armour

[normal bay]

Not really, you just play WS as intended and aim for heads

[long dove]

What's DC again?

[viral chasm]

devil claw sword

or was it dragon?

[long dove]

Ah, that and heavy sword I never really liked

[uneven cedar]

Every weapon should just be replaced with the Relic Blade. 😃

[long dove]

Lol

[unreal nova]

Needs more buffs, mostly to flak cara adms.

[lost silo]

is it normal to see someone solo a daemon host

[normal bay]

Normal no

But it happens from time to time

There some silly builds with thammers, rumblers etc

[red fox]

still have no idea what to do if deaemonhost wakes up

[rigid pilot]

Run and cry

[normal bay]

Kill it if there aren't many enemies about

[rigid pilot]

If it's on you

[red fox]

oh good i've been doing the right thing

running and crying

[rigid pilot]

If it's on your friend try to kill it

Why not

Stinky daemonhost

[normal bay]

You shouldn't actually run unless you need to buy the team time to clean up. Block 3 attacks then dodge. If you run and dodge desperately, it's very hard to hit the damn thing

[lost silo]

should i do psyker or zealot next

[rigid pilot]

Find a pillar

Pillar > daemonhost

Play Dead by Daylight

[lost silo]

what about the door

[rigid pilot]

Hard to setup

[lost silo]

anyway

psyker or zealot next ?

[rigid pilot]

Psyker

Zealot is getting reworked anyway

Soon maybe idk

[unreal nova]

Anything you can ring around works.

[tall torrent]

Do u know anything about steam guide formatting

[normal bay]

"Soon TM"

[unreal nova]

Shut it on them. Funni.

[abstract sand]

yeah but its a pain in the arse

[tall torrent]

Good
You’re gonna be exclusively using that for the guide

[rigid pilot]

There's already new lines of code in the files for zealot (speculation) talents

[tall torrent]

Get ready to [b][/b] a lot

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent You gonna add that Deci/skull works on mk3 as well?

It's basically the same breakpoints as uncanny.

[half ginkgo]

Speaking about shovels - what would be the roll on Mk7, if paired with Plasma/Boltgun? Skullcrusher + Deci, Flak + Maniac, Defense dump?

[steep flower]

CC it, utilize the stagger to kill it, juke it around

[grand perch]

Also don't try to block it's blows while holding a grenade

I've found that doesn't work

[tacit sonnet]

hold block and dodge it's attacks

Ideally you go into psykanium and learn it's attacks, dh's comboes are pretty simple

When it stops attacking, you get your dodges back

[red fox]

shocked, honestly

[red fox]

i dno't have the mod 😭

[scenic basin]

Best weapons for Havoc besides plasma and dueling sword?

[dry niche]

Revolver is pretty amazing

[half ginkgo]

Recon, knife. Boltgun may work. PSword and CSword have potentials but imo risky. I am still testing Mk3 and Mk7 shovels

[red fox]

Recon is good in havoc?

[red fox]

Isit now, tell me more

[dry niche]

The projectile for the revolver feels almost as big as the plasmas, go play around with it in meatgrinder

[tall torrent]

Best for vet rn is technically helbore but it’s not for everyone

Recon is always easy tho

[half ginkgo]

Yup. 9/10 Helbore vets suck

I haven’t played too much with Helbores after the buff. Is Mk5 still the go-to version?

[tall torrent]

No

IIIa or IV

Can hit 1 taps in havoc scaling

Which makes them the best guns

[half ginkgo]

Thank the Emperor, never was a fun of Mk5. Mk4 was always my jam. Now I just need to figure out if it can also work with shovel, for obvious reasons

[tall torrent]

Do urself a favor and bring power sword

[manic moon]

both hellbore builds?

[half ginkgo]

Lol, PSword never left my loadouts since OBT

[manic moon]

what to put on the guns

[tall torrent]

IIIa unarmored + maniac
IV unyielding + whatever honestly

If IIIa had 60 more damage then I’d run elite over unarmored

[manic moon]

shout+ no keystone?

[sudden cedar]

@red fox Recon Lasgun is amazing in applying Burn DoT on things. Helps to conserve ammo and also bypass damage reductions for ranged attacks.

[tall torrent]

I like IIIa and I run WS for power sword

It’s a front heavy keystone anyway

If u run IV I think go with focus target

[manic moon]

ty imma try those out

can u dm me a talent build for those?

[half ginkgo]

This makes sense. Need to drop in grinder later and see what to put on 4 in addition to unyielding

[manic moon]

im in desperate need fo something else for my vet for havocs

[tall torrent]

Elite saves u 1 point (don’t need superiority complex for Dreg gunner 1hs)

[half ginkgo]

TY, that 1 flex point on las builds is occasionally needed

[tall torrent]

Just a basic hybrid build

U can swap marksman for smth else it’s up to preference

Helbore rn is essentially Ogryn’s achlys heavy stubber but with 100x better ammo econ

Which makes it the best sniping gun in the game

[grand perch]

Like with MMF?

[sudden cedar]

No Field Improv

[tall torrent]

Mid talent

[sudden cedar]

Its value is beyond compare.

[half ginkgo]

I think this is for Mk3a, right? For Mk4 I would drop Superiority and Marksman and path to Bring it Down + Focus Target. Question if Focus is needed for any BPs on 4

[tall torrent]

For IV I’d run focus target

[half ginkgo]

Just focus right? With no augments to it?

[tall torrent]

Redirect or target down

8 stacks is pretty bad

IIIa breakpoints

IV breakpoints

U can do the maths from there

Core breakpoints for ranged in havoc are
2100 unarmored
2100 maniac
1800 flak

[half ginkgo]

Thank you, much appreciated

[tall torrent]

Can also run unarmored or maniac

Unarmored gives 1hs Dreg gunner without crit

Maniac gives 1hs both flamers without crit

[tall torrent]

You can always choose to be the one with it

[sudden cedar]

Well i don't play Veteran to begin with.

[grand perch]

Too taxed for field improv

Can't have shit on atoma

[tall torrent]

Would consider it if vet tree had 6 more flex points

They can fix a lot of current vet tree’s problems by making veteran cap at lv40

[scenic basin]

Loved helbore on release, got a build for it?

And for recon?

[tall torrent]

@scenic basin

[tall torrent]

I don’t enjoy playing recon cuz it’s just spray and doesn’t need headshot
U can spec hard into it or just bring it as backup for melee build it’s kinda up to u

[past stratus]

I want to try a "I'm just here to help" build, where I take all of the coherency talents, field improv, those FT nodes that buff your team when the target dies. Get a gun to just spread brittleness, maybe use smoke grenades

Just follow my team around shouting

[tall torrent]

Congratulations that’s probably gonna be less useful than arb’s dog

[uneven cedar]

Trying to figure out if I dump ammo or charge rate on the Helbore.

[tall torrent]

Stability

[uneven cedar]

...

[past stratus]

Yeah basically. It's insane that FS has put so much of it in Vet's tree

also let's be real here, most players are less useful than the arby dog. How many of them will without fail, consistently murder enemies, never die, never consume any resources, never make any mistakes.

And save you from other dogs

[tame lodge]

Lmao

But yeah

Weapon so stable it spawn horses

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[heavy rover]

A gun that spreads brittleness? That'd be a helbore with armourbane

[heavy rover]

Here's my helbore build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc

[past stratus]

idk if I'd ever take a helbore on a meme build where I chose the worse talents FS created for Vet lol

[heavy rover]

I mean if you want a fun meme, try the helbore mk V with weight of fire and armourbane

It shoots charged shots stupid fast, and you'll be stacking brittleness for every shot

I may or may not be biased towards the helbore

I should probably update my name on this server to include #1 helbore fan or something

[past stratus]

I love the helbore when I'm actually trying, I was more thinking of something like the flame staff brittleness spread, idk if Vet has anything equivalent

[heavy rover]

Ah

Yeah not really for that case

Unless you run something like recon with onslaught talent but that's not really ideal

[half ginkgo]

@tall torrent if you run WS on IIIa Helbore, would you still run Surgical as your 2nd blessing?

[tame lodge]

I saw WS and Helbore on the same sentence and received a shock

Then I remembered it might work now

[past stratus]

you have to be real snappy with it

[dry niche]

Probably not exactly what you are thinking but I run GloryHunter plasma combined with Confirmed Kill making Bornleader restore sizable chunks of toughness for my team.

[past stratus]

yeah that probably works, I'm just always confused to why Vet has so many support nodes

[dry niche]

His tree could use a rework honestly

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-were-aware-of-that-james-t-kirk-william-shatner-star-trek-the-original-series-gif-23455293

[last shale]

does any enemy wearing armor count for the krak grenade penance?

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[last shale]

sweet ty

[manic umbra]

Same question tbh^

Or is hellbore really something you need patience in ADSing to shine instead of quick swapping as much as possible to proc WS

Been trying to make hellbore work but it just feels so sluggish to me coming from a former chronic revolver user lol

[half ginkgo]

I feel WS may be OK on IIIa, but I would for sure go Focus Target on IV. Reason I am asking all of this, is I am currently a bit stuck and bored on work, so trying to frankenstein something of a build to test later

yeah, I feel ya. I am also getting bored of just running Plasma/Boltgun/Recon in high Havoc, so looking for a switch

[tall torrent]

Yea surgical is usually first pick

[half ginkgo]

kk, ty, I will try to test it later and will see how it plays

although, I am pretty much running high havoc with a pre-made so YMMV

[heavy rover]

I would gladly vouch for running the helbore on havoc

I've done havoc 40 with it

[tall torrent]

Falter is a decent pick for stopping attacks if u don’t 1 tap

Hotshot is funny and I wish it wasn’t bugged

WoF always decent pick

[past stratus]

I enjoyed Hotshot when I used it, it feels forgiving

[manic umbra]

what’s the play style hybrid/WS hellbore builds supposed to be like

[half ginkgo]

never played too much with the hotshot. what's the appeal here? make it feel like mini-plasma?

[grand perch]

It applies to your melee as well

Also it's bugged so the tier 1 blessing gives the best value

[past stratus]

this might be wrong but WS to me is the keystone that best illustrates how you should be playing DT. You do a bunch of melee then you pull your gun for a few seconds to deal with dangerous or far away threats

So the play style is always kind of locked into that

[half ginkgo]

yup, and Reciprocity, Desperado and Trench Fighter Drills are just 3 very good perks. So if I can path to grab these without gimping the build too much, I am always happey to do it

[past stratus]

I really wish those nodes were better positioned, maybe in the middle of the tree

[half ginkgo]

yeah, agreed. I hope vet rework comes out after the zel.

[steep flower]

Pretty good; replace rending strikes with focus target keystone & you’ll be slaying

[heavy rover]

I was hoping to keep rending strikes to up the damage to shredders and on power sword, does it make a notable difference?

[ocean swallow]

what's the dump stat for plasma ?

charge rate ?

[tacit sonnet]

@tired egret

[steep flower]

Lol nah; i was thinking you took it to up the dmg vs cara with armorbane but if thats your reasoning then nah

[scenic basin]

What's the perk set up for helbore on this ? @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Which helbore

[scenic basin]

mk3a

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Maniac

[scenic basin]

I also assume you run surgical/weight of fire + armorbane?

[tall torrent]

No

Surgical
Falter / hotshot / WoF

Armourbane is nearly worthless

Helbore is not a sustained dps gun

[scenic basin]

And why unarmored?

[steep flower]

Wdym by that?

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1hs in havoc scaling

And tox bomber 1hs in havoc scaling

[unreal nova]

Is 68 thermal 72 charge rate for real minmax.

[trim badger]

69 thermal 71 charge

[heavy rover]

Ah I see. Sweet, focus target it is then

[scenic basin]

Do stacks from WS speed up the charge rate for helbore?

[steep flower]

No

[tall torrent]

No

It affects the coded interval for firing

Charge speed is unrelated to that

[steep flower]

Wdym by that?

[tame lodge]

It goes

Sween boom

And not

Dakkadakkadakkadakka

[last shale]

burst damage yes dps no

[frank basin]

That axolot becoming path acolyte

[languid sparrow]

Vet lads, tell me this drip wouldn't slap

samurai darth vader

[last shale]

[tall torrent]

It’s not a gun u shoot repeatedly at 1 guy with most of the time

[manic umbra]

What’s the target prio with hellbore

Obvs specialists and shooters first, but does it have any place vs melee elites?

[tall torrent]

IIIa and IV do high damage to both ragers on weakspot hit, and IIIa can one tap both if crit weakspot

IV can normally one tap scab rager to the head without crit

However this is not smth I would count on

Rager headshots are finicky

Bring a melee that can stagger groups of them

As for carapace and ogryn enemies

Melee is ur better solution

[manic umbra]

Fair enough

Guessing it’s too slow for reapers as well

[tall torrent]

Well

U kill them in 2 headshots with IIIa if 1 crit

And usually 1 crit headshot with IV

Falter also allows u to stop their ranged attack on headshot (only for IIIa and IV)

Helbore is about as cracked as it gets for sniping them

[half ginkgo]

Yup, also +unyielding (and maybe +elites) on IV, although for IV specifically Surgical + WoF would be my pick

[tall torrent]

V is just shy of a little bit of damage to be good

When veteran gets a talent tree that doesn’t make damage juicing a pain I think all 3 will be top tier

But rn it’s just IIIa and IV that are top tier

[half ginkgo]

The thing about V - when you see it (along with shovel) on a teammate, expect to put extra work in this pug

Now, I just got completely random thought - is it possible to make a Havoc 40 vet build using Infantry Lasgun/Heavy Laspistol? 🤣

[iron marten]

H40 with markv helbore is fine

Though the helbore4 is still better

[grand perch]

ew

[iron marten]

Quite literally the hardest hitting weapon

[heavy rover]

I used to run infantry lasgun back in the first season of havoc, I got havoc 40 and true survivor thanks to ghost

[tall torrent]

Laspistol is fine

[iron marten]

Gunners in havoc 1.0 was something alright

[tall torrent]

Inf las is also ok

[heavy rover]

Also I ran deadshot on that infantry las build

Gotta make that tiny tin of ammo stretch for as long as possible back then

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRblg6sSHh0

[half ginkgo]

Ghost is goated, same with Deadshot on Laspistol

[tall torrent]

I don’t like helbore IV as much
It sorta soft locks u into dedicated left/middle build

Doesn’t play that well with WS

[half ginkgo]

Ty, will watch in a bit

[iron marten]

I just wish the bayonet of the helbore4 wasn't that

But it's good enough for trash specialists

[tall torrent]

I wish helbore charge speed was closer to plasma

Helbore IV just feels way too slow

[iron marten]

Must be the stockholm syndrome speaking but I don't mind it lol

[serene bough]

id like the ilas or laspistol optic attached to helbore

iron sights on that gun is still so ass

[odd summit]

Dont worry im NOT using the weapon customization mod to put a scope on the helbores

[red fox]

For rashad do we like unarmoured or maniac more

[odd summit]

No siree not me

[iron marten]

unarmoured is pretty much a must pick

[red fox]

Whats the logic behind that out of curiosity, is it just for the general horde?

[vestal widget]

its to hit breakpoints

[iron marten]

Mainly for bruisers so you can hit the breakpoint with headtaker and brutal momentum

[vestal widget]

against bruisers

yeah

[iron marten]

You go from killing 1 every 2 swings to killing 4 per swing

[barren nimbus]

what is a bruiser

[red fox]

i seee

[iron marten]

Infected dudes with the flak armour

Hard to explain

[barren nimbus]

o

damn the scab has friends and the dreg doesnt

[red fox]

Dreg bruiser is my nemesis

[hollow ibex]

they're pretty dangerous as horde enemies go

[vestal widget]

you need unarmoured perk to get a one shot vs the one that visually doesn't have headarmour

[nimble wadi]

I heard weapon customization causes bugs and kills your frame rate

Idk if that’s true

[grand perch]

not really

especially if you deactivate weapons shown on the body you save a lot of fps

[honest quiver]

woag

[steep flower]

The timer between shots is the worst cause charge on the shot itself can be fixed with WoF

Thats why its soo dog

Its not present on other helly marks

[zenith carbon]

@tropic notch what helbore do you run on this build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[frank basin]

Mk1 devil claw will cut their head

[tropic notch]

4 or 3a

[past stratus]

I like how slow the IV is because it is rewarding to shoot it, though it does feel bad in general when the game is more fast paced

which I think the game pace definitely changed with this new patch

[heavy rover]

Does field improv affect the whole team or does it have to be the vet who drops ammo crate / health ?

[unreal nova]

Whole team.

You can even be in rescue.

[spare wolf]

Can't wait FS nerf the shit out of plasma gun and make 1 single viable veteran build render useless

[unreal nova]

Only time it won't if you aren't on the map in some way.

[spare wolf]

Only then the vet skill tree skill rework can commence due to backlash

[tropic notch]

He doesn’t know about the hellbore or dbarrel 🥀

[spare wolf]

Why would you even use dbarrel as vet tho

When arbites exists

Hellbore is off-meta weapon at best

[tropic notch]

It’s his best weapon with weapons specialist

[zenith carbon]

true, a viable weapon stops being viable when they add new classes

[tropic notch]

Not at all it’s buff made it amazing

[hollow ibex]

dbarrel wrecks

[tropic notch]

Yeah ws with always prepared makes you feel like you’re playing ultrakill

[hollow ibex]

been buffed significantly, and is very definitely THE meta ranged weapon on vet atm

[tropic notch]

It bad doe!!!!!!

Buff it!

[hollow ibex]

true...

[zenith carbon]

this reminds me of someone complaining the other day that you cant shoot through teamates

[spare wolf]

Uh-huh

Now i get that why vet keep being in this status for a long time

[elder vessel]

RIP bozo plasma RIP bozo DS

[zenith carbon]

nerf helbore

[umbral scaffold]

even better on psyker

[hollow ibex]

Nah psyker can’t run flechette

[tame lodge]

Good to know Paradise spread enough DB psyker propaganda

[unreal nova]

Taxed too much, no points for it.

[grand perch]

why wouldnt they

[sleek garden]

i need to try and use the power sword again

ive been messing around with a combat axe and the devils claw

[hollow ibex]

Cause it’s very dumb to give up scattershot or manstopper

[sleek garden]

you should be able to abuse limbsplitter by block cancelling

[heavy rover]

I miss the times when Lightning Reflexes had no cooldown

[tropic notch]

Ur silly!

[unreal nova]

Nu. I just want to help team when it isn't just 3x arby.

[tame lodge]

Limbsplitter propaganda in the big 25

[steep flower]

Flechette & manstopper for vet with WS

[hollow ibex]

Yeh

[faint beacon]

This isn't restricted to only ranged

so its just a different flavor of WS but on Psyker

[pallid jetty]

since when does shovel have rending on weakspot hit blessing

[tame lodge]

Since Forever

Idk

[red robin]

Any revelations on claw?

[tame lodge]

It has Uncanny and Skullcrusher

How's it so mid

Shovels should be peak

[sleek garden]

i love parry

and swinging sideways heavies

also aim for dreg bruiser chests and scab shooter legs

[tropic notch]

Are you playing psyker now?

[red robin]

You demo the parry follow up attack?

[tropic notch]

It’s buff helped it

[red robin]

The parry attack into inputted follow up

[faint beacon]

Very ancient

hasn't been touched in ages

[sleek garden]

I use the mk1 so it's just parry light heavy

Or if you are parrying multiple you just push and go back to heavies

[red robin]

Any science on perks and blessing?

[sleek garden]

It needs cleave so cleave blessing

[red robin]

I’m Mr unorthodox and like trying anything on it

[tropic notch]

Give shovel parry

[tropic notch]

It has cleave with hotshot

[red robin]

MK1 special kinda got a mutant party

Parry

[sleek garden]

Taking it with hammerblow and savage sweep can stun lock a horde

[red robin]

True

[sleek garden]

it won't kill them all very fast

But it's probably the safest anti horde option

I take rampage though

[red robin]

Hammerblow on arby reminded me how fun impact and stagger is

Shame vet got a dated kit tho

Also I wish claw had perfect parry blessings

Like one that gives the parry attack 100% crit on perfect block with 2-4 seconds of finesse strength buff

If arbites can have weakspot strength coded in, I fail to see why vet won’t get it

Marksmen focus has finesse strength listed but it’s basically coded in game as dmg

[faint beacon]

remember what they took from you as an Arby player

Staggerclaw would've been the funniest fucking thing seeing

[sudden cedar]

How can something being taken away that they never had to begin with?

[tame lodge]

[sudden cedar]

Nonsense

[velvet gale]

What grenade do you go with on a vet?

[unreal bone]

I see a lot of people saying shredders

[grand perch]

shredder is your go to nade

[tame lodge]

Frags

[unreal bone]

Tbh I wish smoke nades didn't blow

[grand perch]

kraks are debatibly the worst blitz in the game

smokes are fkn great

[open ravine]

Kraks are a nice safe bet if you aren't running any oh shit carapace spam weapon but shredder does the best utility

[tame lodge]

Shredders just do everything lol

[velvet gale]

Thanks all 🙂

[safe kiln]

i love uncanny bleed interaction

[faint beacon]

remember when smokes were debatably the considered worst blitz in the game

🚬

[grand perch]

stop smoking its bad mkay

but do smoke

smoking is good for you

[faint beacon]

The zealot players getting tilted you brought smokes untill the 5 billion reaper pack shows up

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-im-so-confused-gif-16814388

[abstract sand]

i hate kraks

[maiden wasp]

Okay, but you say this like it's unfounded. It genuinely causes the ai to do weird shit that will actively fuck you over if you're under heavy melee pressure.

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-nodding-nodding-yes-horse-nodding-silly-gif-5152303604886252799

[open ravine]

If they halfed the timer on kraks they would become S tier

[narrow frost]

They still are S tier for me

[tropic notch]

Live footage of a mobeain 6th gunner before he get truth nuked my dogC4

[tropic notch]

I personally love shredder

[nimble wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-i-love-you-ily-gif-4247002

[faint beacon]

I'd expect a player with 100 hours to at least understand what the smokes do and be able to adapt around them cause they're a huge benefit instead of a downside lmao

[sage kettle]

cough cough

[faint beacon]

if you don't know how to use it to your benefit genuine skill issue

[sage kettle]

you love the option most people use?

[sudden cedar]

Hours played does not equal any amount of skill you may expect

[midnight totem]

Youth is no guarantee of innovation and age is no guarantee of efficiency

[elder vessel]

frags are good and simple
kraks are simple and bad (except into bulwarks, fuck them)
smokes are good and fucky

smokes would be mildly less fucky if they were quick toss like throwing knives

[ember nest]

Whats actually good about smokes

[elder vessel]

throw them between you and the gunners for ranged safety

they have to reposition from Albuquerque to Timbuktu to get LoS on you again

[ember nest]

Hmm

[sudden cedar]

Screw that, they do in 80 days around the world when they see smoke

[tame lodge]

AI disruption

Stay inside the smoke

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/around-the-world-daft-punk-spin-pikachu-pikachu-spin-gif-23371288

[tame lodge]

Immunity to ranged

Immune to dog pounce

Flamers won't fire

Or will run around

Shotgunners will have to get closer

Trappers will have to hug you

[faint beacon]

BON's will have to literally get right in your face in order to vomit

instead of from a distance

[heavy rover]

I wish there wasn't such a huge tax for the vet tree

[faint beacon]

snipers completely give up

Rodin (Rodin LT in Havoc included) literally just quits functioning unless you get close to him and then he'll attempt kicking you

[vestal widget]

..... huh

[tame lodge]

Yeah disrupt ranged enemies

And bon glorps is ranged

[faint beacon]

He literally just stands still and gives up till the smoke goes away

[sudden cedar]

One would think he's used to it, but no.

[tame lodge]

Bro's faded on stimms

Can't see shit in the smoke

[faint beacon]

Faded on that Tox Gas

[sudden cedar]

That's why he's throwing Gas Mines everywhere. So he can huff it.

[warm walrus]

does vet bother with chainsword or not really

Pretty sure it's not really, I just like the sound

[elder vessel]

nobody bothers with chainsword

if you want some competent chain weaponry, I recommend the chainaxe

[warm walrus]

Bet

[elder vessel]

flak maniac, headtaker slaughterer, dump defenses

[hollow ibex]

Only Ari can make chord not dogshit

[warm walrus]

I just liked the sound design

The rev just screams "someone's day is about to get ruined and it aint me"

[faint beacon]

Chord is just old

very old

[unreal bone]

God bro

Heinous Ritual is one of the worst fucking havoc modifiers

When a hexbound daemonhost spawns on the otherside of the map

So you just lose

[tame lodge]

Chain weapons are not that charming on vet or psyker

[warm walrus]

Psyker?

You mean zealot?

[tame lodge]

No no

[unreal bone]

Psyker has some chain weapons I think doesn't it?

[tame lodge]

Chain weapons are broken op on zealot

[warm walrus]

Huh.

[unreal bone]

Yeah chainaxe is on psyker

[tame lodge]

Not so much on psyker or vet

[unreal bone]

Chainsword

[warm walrus]

I never knew that, I main force sword

[unreal bone]

also on psyker

[unreal bone]

Exactly

[warm walrus]

Aye

Zealot tho...

Evis, csword, aaaand chaxe?

[elder vessel]

pay your lip service to the chaxe it is a beautiful weapon

[elder vessel]

they all fuck on zealot

[warm walrus]

huh, bet

[elder vessel]

but only because zealot is a melee class

If you slap enough damage and attk speed buffs on a weapon, it will eventually become Stier

[safe kiln]

martyrdom can make the worst weapon feel good

[junior oak]

What would you guys say is the plas guns dump stat?

[narrow frost]

71-72 charge 69-68 thermal

dump charge if you dont care to minmax

[junior oak]

So you'd rather a more balanced roll than a dump

Fair

[narrow frost]

its 1 of 2 weapons that actually wants it more then a flat dump

[junior oak]

Whats the other?

[sleek garden]

this should be he oher way around

[narrow frost]

ripper

66% ammo and rest collat dump

[safe kiln]

ripper wants a certain ammo stat

[elder vessel]

nobody is at peace while running martyrdom, thats the fun of it

[junior oak]

Which class is the ripper on?

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn

[junior oak]

Ahhh, makes sense

I never think of that gun lol

Thank you lads

[safe kiln]

after playing martyrdom I cant play anything with low attack speed anymore

[elder vessel]

eviscerator eventually stops feeling like a chain greatsword and more of a chain katana

[junior oak]

Im trying to do the fun task of getting the best roll of every weapon on every character rn

And finishing up masteries

What would be the helbore dump stat? I personally picked ammo

[elder vessel]

Stability

Why wouldnt it be stability

[tame lodge]

Stability first
Ammo second

[junior oak]

I see

thanks

[tame lodge]

Weapon so stable it's akin to immune to suppression

[junior oak]

so mobility < stability < ammo?

[hollow ibex]

Depends on the weapon but mobility and defense are often dumps

Stability, warp resist and collateral sometimes

[junior oak]

I meant for ranged mostly, ik defence is a dump too

[open ravine]

This was annoying we were doing a heresy shock troop inferno mission and the one player purposely shots the dh but none of us could dps it and so 2 of us just moved on while this guys tries and fails then gets pissy with us because we did the correct thing in that situation

[peak siren]

huhu, "Lethal Proximity
Point blank shots cause an explosion. Explosion Radius increases by 10-25%."

does it NOT increase our grenade explosions anymore? cant feel a difference in psykhanium

[unreal nova]

Just use it with krak. Throw it at the silver eagle on the floor infront of the dog. If it hits the dog, it still works.

Psykhanium.

[peak siren]

so in missions it doesnt work consistantly?

[unreal nova]

No, it's just actual blast radius is still too small.

But is an easy way to see if Lethal is changed.

[open ravine]

Kraks were designed when there were less elites

[sage kettle]

casual i only have one thing to say

CLOSE ! KILL! AND DO IT AGAIN!

[unreal nova]

Because normally, kraks will not even glance a hit on the dog.

[open ravine]

Now that I actually think about it arbites and ogryn are designed around the current difficulty while vet and zealot are still the old difficulty.
pysker just was cracked from the start and only has had some tweaks to be viable even now in the difficulty it wasn't designed for

[unreal nova]

Game was made harder to please ppl without buffing the og chars to fit, classic.

[tropic notch]

Me personally I would have just soloed the dh

[livid hill]

ik this but idc bc commissar cain cosplay

[gaunt anchor]

I wish they would like do something for marksman focus on vet man

[maiden wasp]

Being able to use them to your benefit doesn't change the fact that they still do things to the ai that if you are not expecting it could get you or your teammates killed which is compounded by the fact that often you are not the one throwing the smokes when this happens. I never said smokes are bad, I said that you make it sound like the anger pointed at a compounding factor to ai doing weird things is unfounded.

[open ravine]

I feel if they made crits count towards generating stacks it would be made so much better

[faint beacon]

Skill Issue?

Like seriously I dont see how thats an issue if its more beneficial especially when its easy to learn what it does lmao

[maiden wasp]

Additionally if your only way of dealing with gunner or reaper packs is smokes, you've misplayed heavily. Also suppression exists as a mechanic if you're looking to open sightlines into packs of already firing gunners. Ask @narrow frost about how nuts elecrtokinetic staff suppression is.

[livid hill]

imo its just not as useful as the other two keystones and its harder to use bc this game has a lot of running and sliding and dodging

but it is useable

[maiden wasp]

More beneficial in a vacuum maby, but not in the face of the cavern that is shredders or krak utility.

[open ravine]

I feel while marksman is great on the las weapons and autoguns it can run into issues on shotguns, bolters and plasma as the hit zone makes it so head shots while viable are not as consistent but vet gets crits quite often so having crits count towards marksman stacks would make it universally viable

[maiden wasp]

If you like smokes that's fine, but at a certain point it does become a redundant utility that could be replaced with better positioning and gamesense and gives you access to the insane utility of the veterans other grenades when not being used.

[hearty panther]

Smokes are good.

[open ravine]

Smoke could do withe either ES outlines while enemies are inside or provide a brief stealth effect on detonations so the gang can do teenage mutant ninja turtle disappearing act

Basically just some fun and somewhat helpful additions

feels a bit niche for me

[gaunt anchor]

Even with marksman weapons, I prefer focus target as it just so much more useful and consistent

[tropic notch]

Me when I’m pinned by gunners and I smoke and they stop shooting

It’s not a vacuum

[open ravine]

Yeah I also think maybe reworking marksman to give increasing toughness reduction could be nice, basically help turn us into a scion while laying down the fire

[gaunt anchor]

I wish we could become tempesrous aquilions :(

[maiden wasp]

It's a misplay

[open ravine]

Yeah but that was back when the difficulty of the game was lower and now vet acts like wet tissue paper without certain builds

[tropic notch]

I mean if I stumbled upon 112 gunners smokes are godly

Helps with res as well

[open ravine]

Yes vet was op back then but I feel now that vet would feel okay

They certainly weren't at what ogryn is now

[livid hill]

vet is good now and has some fun builds but it is not up to snuff with arby and ogryn tbh

you have to work a lil harder to do good as vet

still doable but idk, it doesn't have the variety of arby and ogryn which should be better soon

[open ravine]

Vet is designed for the old difficulty and needs to be reworked for the current difficulty

Get rid of majority of greys and update blue nodes to be more proactive and add more tree merging to allow for rerouting without spending on tax

[livid hill]

i agree

also would be nice to make it more compact like arby

[storm oriole]

ever since i've played arbites, going back to veteran makes me miss execution order for that elite highlighting
i feel like i have a major skill issue when i can't have 100% uptime on VoC in fights

[faint beacon]

its mainly cause Arby is overtuned so its noticeable between what should be balanced and what clearly isn't

[open ravine]

I almost feel like EO is a stolen vet skill

[storm oriole]

but it would totally be way too strong on vet even for just highlights

[open ravine]

Its too strong on arbite

[storm oriole]

fair

[hollow ibex]

lol nah

[open ravine]

I feel it should be nerfed to only mark line of sight enemies

Not just mark everything in a 50 meter radius

[maiden wasp]

okay, so 2 things of note here, becuse you clearly haven't been following this conversation for v long. 1: I never said that smokes were bad, that is not how we got to this point, I said that the annoyance toward smoke users is not unjustified after @faint beacon made a comment about zealot players "getting tilted you brought smokes untill the 5 billion reaper pack shows up" to which i proposed some reasons for why this annoyance wouldn't be completely unfounded. This devolved into a back and forth that boils down to a non argument about the relative value between shredder/krak grenades and smokes which changes varies wildly between hypothetical scenarios and levels of play. My response is that shredders and kraks will help you out of far more scenarios, or keep things more manageable than smokes will in 90% of games. Finally, 2: get preggers reacted.

[hearty panther]

Smokes are good.

[storm oriole]

on the topic of nades, people praise shredder nades quite a bit but even with a build that lets me spam them, they feel slightly underwhelming?
or am i expecting too much from the hype

[open ravine]

The good tenderisers

[hollow ibex]

You really need to drop two nades to kill shit. And if everything does before your bleed really kicks in, they’re trash

[open ravine]

And breakup gunner mobs allowing you to breathe

[hollow ibex]

It’s just that they’re one of vets only sources of infinite cleave

And even if it’s straight up worse than what psyker can do

Infinite cleave is infinite cleave

[open ravine]

Cough cough plasma

[orchid hemlock]

Nades on Vets are grossly misinformed due to a Vet main I shall not speak here

[storm oriole]

i see, they still serve a solid purpose then

[open ravine]

Cough cough power sword as well

[hollow ibex]

One of. And plasma doesn’t have infinite cleave.

[hollow ibex]

Also not infinite cleave.

[orchid hemlock]

The real reason shredder nades are good is the same reason why Purge staff is the best staff in havoc

[open ravine]

Pretty close though

[heavy rover]

it's also good to save them to stagger bulwark / crusher crowds

[orchid hemlock]

No

[open ravine]

Only carapace really stops it

[narrow frost]

Bm stops at 3, no?

[hollow ibex]

It drops off fast once the big elites get involved

[hearty panther]

Brutal Momentum is a funny kind of infinite cleave where it's theoretically infinite hitmass cleave but only up to five different targets.

[heavy rover]

would sunder give the infinite cleave you're looking for?

sunder to power sword, i mean

[hearty panther]

Sunder does not, but it does let you bypass some things that would normally hard-stop cleaving.

[heavy rover]

ah

[void dragon]

i always knew Veteran was being replaced by Arby but never imagined that it would consistently be "double its damage, far more tanky" levels of better

that bleeding thing is really nasty

and even without it they can put so much damage

[warm schooner]

nothing like walking into a h40 as a brand new 30 arby and then wrecking face despite having no idea how to build the class

still prefer vet though

[void dragon]

its still refreshing to have the class capable to clean a room of elites because Exe stance helbore is really good now, or box down an entire horde with the ole 1-2 of shovel - DBshotgun cleave

[open ravine]

Besides certain weapons I feel vet still out DPS arbite

[void dragon]

nah, kinda the other way around, Vet needs its best game guns to outgun an arby

bolter with Exe stance its actually quite killer

but the thing is that arby is super sturdy for the capacity it has for death

at most ranges

[warm schooner]

you can get away with some absurd shit

the saving grace so far is that most arbis are absolute trash from what I've seen

[void dragon]

mate, it doesnt matter, i have saw some really bad ones that dont know where they are swinging their attacks, but the class is carrying them

HARD

[warm schooner]

its so true

at least in high havoc positioning starts to matter

so eventually they can't math their way out of the problem

[storm oriole]

nvm i forgot to take grenade tinkerer, that's some hella range increase

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-spray-paint-bug-eye-man-gif-21526624

Paints you

I should super preg you

Cuz is funny

[warm schooner]

it's nice to see people saying smokes have some use now as opposed to before

where I'd get shit on for just having it equipped in lobbies

[storm oriole]

people do that in most games, almost unavoidable

i'm willing to bet that you can put a good player on a build that would be considered horrible overall and they would still do better than those who criticize others

[void dragon]

smokes are really useful because getting deployable cover and forcing ai enemies to engage in melee is VERY strong
people that though otherwise just see no bonus damage and ditch them as lesser

but when the obj is in the open with an army of gunners arround, they will remember that its not just damage what they need

[unreal bone]

I think that's enough darktide

Crusher did overswing

I dodged

Crusher tracked me through dodge with his overhead

I think he was tracking my teammate actually

[sudden cedar]

Teammates are just another difficulty modifier

[unreal bone]

I'm trying my god damn hardest to level up havoc rank lol

[sudden cedar]

I suggest leveling up your skill and not havoc. "Leveling" up havoc will come on its own when you improve your own gameplay.

[unreal bone]

Brother my gameplay is fine

I can't dodge a crusher overhead that isn't meant for me

when my teammate is just walking in my ass

The crusher overhead was tracking him that's why my dodge didn't stop it

[sonic kayak]

Ah yes

Slotting

[unreal bone]

Like brother didn't even try to dodge it he just kept the finger on the W key

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1021953999362068590/1092711438126157905/childed.gif

[sonic kayak]

My condolences

[unreal bone]

I don't know how I find these fucking people

"I'm just gonna walk in a straight line towards the pox hound"

"I'm sure I won't get pounced"

[sudden cedar]

Best thing to do in this situation is to not follow them into the pit of death and let natural selection take its course.

[unreal bone]

Then I'm stuck fighting 3 chaos spawns alone.

Which I mean tbh I could maybe do on arbite

but not on psyker

[sudden cedar]

Happens

[warm walrus]

found me a ds with 60 mob

what's the usual build and what's expected for the nerf

[warm schooner]

ds works with everything, no one knows what the changes will be

[fervent mesa]

does rashad have an especific wave clear combo? it feels pretty bad to use

[warm schooner]

rashad needs a specific set of blessings, perks, stat break points, and talents before it hits god tier level wave clear

once you have those just mash m1 and occasionally push attack

[hollow ibex]

Yeah Rashad is all or nothing

[fervent mesa]

makes sense i was struggling a lot with it but i havent upgraded it fully yet

[hollow ibex]

I’d just try it when you’re max level and have a max roll with the right perks or blessings

Rashad really is trash if it can’t hit bruiser breakpoints with light attacks

[safe kiln]

rashad is a classic example of a weapon that relies on brutal momentum

u dont hit those breakpoints u arent killing shit

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Light Light Light Light Light Light Light

If there's 3 dreg Ragers

Push Attack

Light Light Light Light

Or was it pa 3 lights

[south canyon]

Howdy, anyone up for penance assistance

[livid hill]

my loose cannon vet has a commissar hat and also voc and I like to think she stole the hat from the commissar on the morningstar and is just like prancing around playing commissar to piss all of her superiors off

[south canyon]

Friends?

[tropic notch]

I cannot for I am at work

[severe zinc]

You think we’ll ever get a melta?

[south canyon]

Yes

Multi-melta for ogryn

[void dragon]

power fist with a claw skin for vet...in 3040

in other news, i have come back to using the Plasma gun and i must say that without factoring the stupid cleave it has, the gun do feels kinda mid

[south canyon]

I love rail gun my beloved

But most plasma gun builds are either melee focused with heavy plasma support or are target priority builds which are both limiting to the gun you have in your hands.

[void dragon]

bleu pew gun doesnt feel that nice for me, the day they remove that cleave that makes it good on havoc it will be a really interesting day, because to this day i dont get the hype

[south canyon]

I always thought it was the closest wed have to a anti tank rifle bc it got thru stuff but they kinda made it to where that's only reliable if you use it frequently most people use it then go back to like a bolter or auto gun

[unreal nova]

Don't copy me.

[void dragon]

my canon for me loose cannon vet getting commissar gear is that she once stole it from a death one in an operation and began to give orders to everyone, no one realized she was not the real one and at the end of that the coat and hat mysteriously disappeared, so now in the mourningstar it is confiscated but since she always figure a way to take it back people just let her wear it around.

[livid hill]

I love that

[tall torrent]

If it doesn’t get 1 taps on gunners and flamers then yes

[long dove]

Jesus the players

2 auric games in a row where everyone dies in 5 minutes

[unreal nova]

Is why I said the new system just annoys people. Bad players just get carried to auric by the good ones.'

Also, bad players from before the update were more or less grandfathered in as well.

[long dove]

also the amount of BS atm

I got hit byu a burster

flung me into a Crusher hit

then flamer on my downed body

I jsut wanna do this damn penance

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

I’ll practice more

[void dragon]

In my defense, someone tossed me off a cliff with a barrel

[unreal nova]

But basically, hat was stolen from the last commissar attached to her old squad. Useless kark fell to Nurgle faster than anyone else so she took his hat and played motivational speaker to keep morale high as it's just them and remnants of other squads holding out. The Inquisitor thing was uhhh, a one night stand with a now MIA lady. Traded her stuff for simple thing to go AWOL, knowing too much and just wanting to be over it all.

[tropic notch]

Tbh sometimes you get plain unlucky im ngl

[long dove]

and another Auric failed

Jesus these people are awful

[unreal nova]

Play other servers maybe?

[warm schooner]

these people

[tropic notch]

Sorry I’ll practice more

[long dove]

Like it would be nice to at least make it passed the first room

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[tropic notch]

What region do you play in?

[void dragon]

I blame op classes, people that has no clue what they are doing go into higher missions think too high of themselves

[long dove]

however what happened last night where a friend went down to a sniper and the other guy just stood there in front of the sniper pickign my friend up. We were at the end, literally ripped defeat from the jaws of victory

[long dove]

should be NA

[void dragon]

Bravest Emperor's soldier

[tropic notch]

People going form Arby and oggy to vet or zealot

[long dove]

it's usually psykes and what not

[tropic notch]

Or psyker

If you’re not thinking as psyker you’ll just die

[void dragon]

Psyker you legit need to have at least decent mechanics

[long dove]

or the two Arby's that held ammo boxes the entire run while the Ogryn and I sat on empty ammo. They dropped both only at the end.

[void dragon]

I once saw one that could not melee to save it's life (I tried to keep him alive, it was not possible)

[tropic notch]

What region? West?

[void dragon]

Bet they got carried by dog and thought too much that they needed no dog and then they died

[long dove]

no idea, how do I check?

[void dragon]

Dog carry a lot of folks because their ai is quite good to protect them

[long dove]

Oh no the Arby's were fine. I think they were duo

[tropic notch]

Should be on mission board im in west Tennessee so I’m na west

[long dove]

Also I'm noticing more people not picking me up and just letting me die

[void dragon]

Yeah, but the damage the dog save is good, and since they are greedy they don't share ammo crates

[tropic notch]

Sometimes that happens to me it’s better to have one player for the the entire team

[warm schooner]

Honestly going for bad revives causes a lot of team wipes

[tropic notch]

Yesterday i got to greedy in a havoc 40 and was punished by reapers

Died

Was mulching everything tho

[void dragon]

Reapers and being alive is a paradox

[long dove]

oh currently on NA east

[tropic notch]

You should’ve seen the kill feed

[south canyon]

Who up playing with they penances?

Mines hard

I need help

[long dove]

which is fair but when I can easily be picked up and they just ignore me

then they just wipe to everything afterwards

[long dove]

what penance?

[tropic notch]

Tbh they aren’t too difficult it’s when I jump instead of dodge or they are too spaced out

But mostly they suck

[south canyon]

On overwatch been trying to do it legitimately with randoms for 3 days. Everyone in party finder isn't helping either im about to kick down difficulty and cheese it. I got it on my main account by sheer luck now I want my back up to get it.

[void dragon]

That's why I keep the jump button in a different key, it's annoying trying to dodge and getting a jump

[tropic notch]

Halt a lot of momentum for me

[void dragon]

Prob one of the first things I did

[tropic notch]

I be playing on controller

On pc

[long dove]

Do it on malice bro or just ask a friend to let you fall off the map and then finish it alone

[tropic notch]

Haiiii @unreal nova

[void dragon]

• a wild Karien is judging us

[unreal nova]

I have been here.

[south canyon]

I'm gonna go grab dinner and take a break for now but if you gents are on later id love to have you.

[unreal nova]

I just crashed coursed my Vet's lore and such.

And just lazing aroud cos thundastorm.

[south canyon]

Hard without friends no one is know likes warhammer or darktide

[tropic notch]

It’s easy I’d be glad to help

[void dragon]

that sounds heretical of them

[long dove]

oof

[unreal nova]

I mean, always just do stuff on the lowest possible diff...

[long dove]

Right now I'm just wanting to work on Killshot Ready

[south canyon]

Shoot me a dm and I'll text back when ive recuperate wish you could just play offline solo.

[tropic notch]

What’s your build looking as well?

[south canyon]

Randoms are less skilled lately on lower with influx of new ppl

[long dove]

after Killshot Ready is down can just work on Adept Assassin and Armourbane normally

[unreal nova]

I mean, you just have to carry them.

[south canyon]

Got a mobility critical build the typical lasgun boss melter rn

[unreal nova]

Go Bistol for Armourbane. Lethal Prox into scab hordes.

[south canyon]

😦 then id be looking out for them and me

[long dove]

whatya mean?

[south canyon]

I mean yeah, I think they've just been on a hunt kick which i just got out of, mine craft and hunt have been my go to last month.

[unreal nova]

Lethal Prox makes the explosion radius bigger, so you can get more kills.

[long dove]

I only thought that effected the Bistol shot

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button try this

[unreal nova]

You throw them into mobians or scabs because they count as armoured.

[long dove]

huh I gotta try that then

[unreal nova]

Nope, they affect grenades, if nothing changed.

Specifically, Frag, Shredders, Kraks, Impact.

[long dove]

I wonder if the Mortis Trials is an easier way to get Killshot Ready completed

[south canyon]

Hell yeah kinda my gun psycher build

[unreal nova]

THe easiest is most boring. 45 mins in mercantile.

Farm in kitchen with another player to go private.

[long dove]

oh do I have to have the Bistol out for the explosion radius buff?

[tropic notch]

This will help a ton it’s probably vets best build atm

[south canyon]

Epic

[tropic notch]

If you wanna debate hellbore and such

[unreal nova]

Nope. THe way it's coded means you don't need it.

[long dove]

Oh hell yeah. Recommended difficulty?

[south canyon]

Thanks homie I'll make em scream or whatever after dinner

[unreal nova]

Armourbane? Any. Just gotta roll scabs.

[tropic notch]

Havoc 40 approved

[unreal nova]

Auric or damnation means you can possibly get more per blast.

[tropic notch]

Oh wait nvm just read that

Auric

[long dove]

oh no I meant the Killshot Ready

[unreal nova]

Oh, That's any diff. I did mine in low havoc duos with a friend.

Damnation spawn rates with malice HP lul.

You just need a second player to start private and NEVER put the second C4 mine to the wall.

Go into the room to the right of it. That's the kitchen.

[void dragon]

Today has been quite bad for my morale, not a single game capable to outgun the Arby menace

[tropic notch]

It’s crazy Fr

Not even venting purg psyker can lol

[void dragon]

Bolter, sniper, recon, just not get enough to beat them in damage, even when I cleaned a room full of gunners with me sniper Helbore, it was epic

[tropic notch]

I just went back to zealot

[void dragon]

Still no even close tho

I cry

For I hate zealot

[unreal nova]

Dog alone outdamages a psyker.

[quick seal]

Sorry brother. I feel the same frequently. I know the feeling bro

[void dragon]

And Orgyn, me ole main, is on the chaos side now

[tropic notch]

Zealot trails behind him well atleast I do if they have a dog

[void dragon]

Only me spark head is the only I can race in raw damage vs the police

[long dove]

Okay thank you!

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

[tropic notch]

Melee psyker

[void dragon]

It sucks more because I LOVE tank classes but hate OP ones, so I'm in sadness

[unreal nova]

Make sure you take the crabwalk node and just melee with crouch... I suggest keep swinging or a turbo controller.

[quick seal]

I love shock trooper and I will always have a place in my heart for recon lasgun

[tropic notch]

Melee soykers rise…

[void dragon]

Meleker with bolter and vent actually bested them relatively consistently

[tropic notch]

I’m telling you

It’s pretty funny

[void dragon]

Im sorry, I WANT To like them. But their tree is just GARBO

[void dragon]

I know, is one of me most played styles with brain burst

[tropic notch]

Idk why melee psyker will out dps everything lol

[void dragon]

Actually completed close with the Arby with the BB build

[void dragon]

Glass cannon

[long dove]

I was just gonna use a gun

[tropic notch]

Did I show you my assail gaze tac axe 40 run?

[long dove]

but if not I can just just use a macro I think unless that's bannable

[unreal nova]

Naw, those are mods most people don't reeeeeeeeeee at. It's basically an autoclicker.

[void dragon]

i dont think i saw you posting that? assail gaze tac feel like a natural combo tho

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1390588600311353506/hav40_melee_psyker.png?ex=686ebcce&is=686d6b4e&hm=f5bcef31df21650aaabb9518b9e9f58966a6272de772df19161ddab80d5477f2&

That shovel vet kinda went off

I did die due to getting double bursterd

Only once tho lol

[long dove]

Yeah by macro I meant autoclicker. I used to use one for Foxhole

[tropic notch]

Modifiers were rampaging final toll

[unreal nova]

Basically, in most cases, don't talk about it in game.

[void dragon]

i like those because in havocs i had ritual bug and trigger in absurd scenarios

i swear someone at obesefish is getting its giggles from being an a$$

[tropic notch]

Tbh I did struggle against a max rampaging bulwark and crusher

I tried to whittle them down with trauma and they just became red

But they got brittleness doe!

[void dragon]

you really need fire to kill the bulwarks when they get red, huge Plasteel wall of jerks

[tropic notch]

Real

[red fox]

I really wanna get that mod just so i can see if im the shitter in every party

[tropic notch]

I just think it’s neat

[red fox]

yea, i like seeing a breakdown in helldivers

[tropic notch]

I’m ngl i never compared myself to others in havoc 1.0 or even now

Havoc 1.0 I’d have like 500k because I was book boy

Operation keep psyker alive

[long dove]

I need to learn how to install mods for this game

I wanna see myself get better

[tropic notch]

I used to think killing a crusher and running around with a knife was godlike gameplay

[red fox]

Yea same

[tropic notch]

Watching good players clutch

The best way I got good was watching other people play and recreating it

[red robin]

Inshallah

[tropic notch]

There was this zealot named vovi who is amazing and showed me how strong he could be

So I watched him

Copied him

[red fox]

i was so close to clutching the other day and after clearing all the gunners and ragers and snipers it aws just the horde left and then game said woe 5 crushers

[tropic notch]

Now I solo deamonhost just like him

[red robin]

Only thing I take pride in is conscientious on team play, like stimming corruption or pinging ammo

[tropic notch]

And just like he was told his gameplay gives people motion sickness i too was told that lol

The pipeline from seeing good gameplay to doing it is so real

[red robin]

Fortunately vet is built to just not need ammo pickups or grenades (if running grenade & ammo regen + optional shocktrooper)

[red robin]

Gotta use immersive evasion mod with the setting dialed up + weapon fov

[red fox]

stares in bolter vet

[red robin]

Love that mod

[tropic notch]

I saw that I thought about getting it lol

I love weapon fov

[red robin]

Adds a lot to frenetic gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/jim-lahey-trailer-park-boys-drinking-steps-falling-gif-15347462444659833676

Every dodge feels like this

[tall torrent]

Weapon fov can break a lot of weapons’ first person view

Cuz most cosmetics don’t render enough of ur character’s arm

[tropic notch]

I know it’s pretty silly

I kinda like it

[tall torrent]

U like seeing half ur arm not render with a melee attack?

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

Yeah

Is there a problem officer

[unreal nova]

Just looks like a poorly made unity trash game.