veteran-class

[neat axle]

Plus gear

[tawdry osprey]

damn is it that bad

[unreal nova]

Get your maths right.

That's a tax point.

[gritty mural]

it was a educated guess

[unreal nova]

It's worse than you think. More so if you factor all the tax nodes to pick them all up.

[undone sigil]

anyone got any tips for on overwatch?

[unreal nova]

26 points min to get everything on a nearly unusable talent tree.

And we are still short of the ranged aspd and 5% toughness damage reduction.

[past stratus]

I don't like the +1 grenade talent

[unreal nova]

VoC and getting good. Or beg/ask someone to help you cheese it.

Just hang at the start and die.

Let the other person solo with bots.

[gritty mural]

go rolling steel to blitz it

[neat axle]

as i mentioned bfore for someone just earlier

this is actually alot easier to be done if have Infiltration as skill. Generally recommend anything you can use to hit multi target both range and melee but normally use skill if feel to diced
especially if have a loyal ogryn make it much much easier

Best mission if can is the one with Train dispite how it push you push to complete
it easier do to how fast you can use skill navigate around them using infaltration
and dont be to far team as they be one to catch the aggro
also make sure sub with infultration has the -90% threat
as that give longer breathing room
along two charge "Overwatch that give +1 charge"

[tall torrent]

Grab a guy that can solo the map
Load in
Jump off the map at the start
The other guy speed runs the mission and never rescues u

[left crag]

just as devs intended

[faint beacon]

Still never fixed it

but they fixed Auric Storm and True Surv

lmao

[magic trout]

Differences between chainsword?
Which one is better?

[barren nimbus]

I think the green one is better

[unique meadow]

I just started the game level 5
What should my talent tree look like?

Any specific weapons i should be running to save me time later?

[unique meadow]

What do you recommend?
I noticed you got something pinned to this channel.

Whats the best build for veteran?

[tall torrent]

Depends on what weapons u are using

[unique meadow]

Honestly idk which weapon i should be using

[tall torrent]

I’m on vacation in Japan rn so I won’t be active most of the time

[tall torrent]

Are u very new to the game or

[unique meadow]

Niice my girl is from japan

[unique meadow]

Yeah I just started today

[tall torrent]

Ok step 1 learn melee
Figure out how to minimize all damage taken in melee
Don’t shoot anything u can hit with melee in the next 2s

[unique meadow]

Trying to save myself heartache later by getting setup properly from the start

[unique meadow]

Melee is best build for veteran?

[tall torrent]

Melee is a baseline requirement to play the game at higher difficulties

It’s smth ur gonna have to learn regardless if ur build is centred on melee

[unique meadow]

Kk

[unique meadow]

What should my talent tree look like?

Any specific weapons i should be running to save me time later?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=686c29a5&is=686ad825&hm=dddfce9aa04fb3a8be88c836702747c369963d2b77afbbe96af30cfce2611522&

This is beginner for up to auric difficulty

As for melee I would recommend u learn power sword VI for veteran

Scales well across all difficulties

[unique meadow]

[tall torrent]

And doesn’t create as many bad habits as smth like duelling sword

[unique meadow]

Kk

[frank ledge]

Ds, bad!

[unique meadow]

Ty kindly for the tips

[frank ledge]

Did I do it right fellow veterans, did I win the darktide?

[tall torrent]

As for how to build power sword

And how to use it

[unique meadow]

Do it unlock it and buy it from armory?

[tall torrent]

Just search videos I’ve posted here

[tall torrent]

Buy from armoury

Cleave target dump

Carapace
Elite
Power cycler
Brutal momentum

[unique meadow]

Kk

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1389421676915195914/Screencast_20250630_214427.mp4?ex=686c7845&is=686b26c5&hm=97bb0290b1515d9427f03b5af63d85dcc7a01bcb723ff4fec431e0ca4c0c4a14&

[unique meadow]

[tall torrent]

The best gun for veteran outside of havoc & mortis is the mk2a revolver

[unique meadow]

And inside havoc?

[tall torrent]

wouldn’t worry about havoc if I was just starting out in the game

[unique meadow]

Kk

[tall torrent]

Helbore, recon, plasma, boltgun, boltpistol

Are prob the top 5 for veteran in havoc

Helbore is worth learning but not necessarily for beginner

[unique meadow]

Kk

[unique meadow]

I appreciate the tips kind sir 🙏🏼

[past stratus]

The Helbore is really good at teaching you to pick your targets carefully, but it makes you tunnel vision and that is how you die in Darktide most of the time

[warm walrus]

60 mob bistol, that's good right

[hollow ibex]

usable but you'll want to get 60 collateral at some point

[warm walrus]

aye aye

[tropic notch]

Sure I’ll post mine

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[red fox]

Hey guys, could i get some tips for Damnation on Vet, i've been doing okay after coming form Heresy but im downing/dying at least once on Damnation, i don't down or die in heresy.

I'm running boltie with a mk7 shovel, my recent deaths was accidentally turning a corner and then getting deleted by a group of ranged mobs, dodging one crusher and then having the crusher behind him one shot me through the first one, and also getting ambushed by a group of ragers behind me. What can i do or practice to improve? I can more or less juggle a horde wihtout taking damage but when getting rushed by specialists, i can't clear enough space to pull out the boltie in time sometimes

[sharp epoch]

what is your ability and like keystone

[red fox]

Sorry! Should've elaborated, executioner, no keystone, relying on a lot of top tree toughness rebuilding skills

VOC seems kinda unfun

i know it's good but

[sharp epoch]

i mean that works but your problem is positioning it seems like

you need to be able to make space when being rushed by armor/ragers so that would be grenades or shout + your dodges

with exe theres no shout so you need to rely on your team to provide the cc and stagger

unless you got some frags too

so basically play by your team and use frags when being attacked by the melee elites, for ranged shooters just use cover. so yeah your problem is basically positioning

[red fox]

What can i do to better position? i feel like dodging back away from rager doesn't get me enough distance somtimes, and the shredder grenade pull takes aaaaages

[tall torrent]

No, collateral dump

[tall torrent]

You may start with equipping a melee that is actually made to fight multiple ragers with

Stagger helps vs ragers a lot

[warm walrus]

damn really? gotcha, thanks

[red fox]

Isn't that something the shovel is good at?

I usually try and lucky one shot head tap them with the pickaxe mode

[tall torrent]

Sapper shovels are not really good at stagger

The only one that’s good at stagger is mk1 and it’s only single target stagger

Which doesn’t rly matter all that much when 3+ ragers are doing their combos at you

[marsh pivot]

Hey lads
What would you say in changing the db for the revolver in a commando build?

I can show you what I'm working with build wise

Thoughts?

Would a revolver do okay here?

[warm schooner]

figures the person bitching out my loadout does that much

[marsh pivot]

Maybe this for a revolver?

[warm schooner]

replace point blank with hand cannon

[marsh pivot]

Okay. Would it pair well with the build above?

[warm schooner]

should be fine if you're taking it to just delete specials

[marsh pivot]

That I am, and I'm using the knife for hordes/ bosses

I just wish I could have added more bleed to it

Prolly should have put on bleed blessing and somehow the bleed talent?

[red fox]

oh really, what would you recommend at Damnation? I tried PS before but the survivability on it for me is just terrible

[warm schooner]

bleed talent on vet is subpar

bleed blessing on knife is okay, people are a mixed mind on it

[tall torrent]

I think power sword is worth learning
But Rashad combat axe is also really good

[grand perch]

To put it lightly

[tame lodge]

Lacerate? Dogshit

Flesh Tearer

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[red fox]

It's just so weak without the charge up, and it's got poor dodge and mobility right? i feel like getting caught in a bad spot is hard to get out of with it

[warm walrus]

For smoke nade/infiltrate vet
how's rashad aaaand bistol or plasma

im going p far down the right tree so rashad can do work, but im struggling thinking of a ranged

[warm schooner]

plasma works with just precision strikes, revolver is fine, double barrel can work

[warm walrus]

dbs not a bad idea actually i saw a vet wreck shit with it

[tall torrent]

Yea u gotta power it up

[lost silo]

what stat do i dump on helbore ?

[tall torrent]

Stability

[lost silo]

okah

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate is 2 point tax which probably means ur prob gonna lose smth important to make Rashad + boltpistol both perform optimally

[lost silo]

what perk do i get for chain weapon and power weapon ?

[red fox]

Hrnnn, i do have a maxed out PS, i'll experiment i suppose

haven't used it since Malice

[smoky pivot]

Hello veteraners

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-imperial-guard-gif-6078754968357460894

[steep flower]

Only due to its position really

[steep flower]

Yuh; lacerate is frown upon but if you think about it in practice its 100% chance to apply as long as you hit the body while flesh tearer requires a crit

[stiff glacier]

flesh tearer is really good if you go for skills that let you really fish those crits

[rigid pilot]

I prefer weakspot damage on bleeding targets on vet

If going right side vet

[sullen jackal]

69K is nice damage tho :v

[frank basin]

Hello viet player

I got group of Vietnamese play 40k stuff like Darktide; if you’re interested joining the group

[lost silo]

nah i'm good

[manic moon]

do we know if fs want to address veteran's problem of having 99% of power budget in shout+regen nades?

[frank basin]

Too easy to play considering skill ceiling for newbs if without those

I run dclaw mk1 and shout… without gold toughness

[rigid pilot]

Fatshark official answer: play havoc

Or just QP/mael with a less meta loadout

[frank basin]

Regular damn is my main course and breakfast

[rigid pilot]

They removed sedition and now I'm starving

[frank basin]

Try uprising flakes

Only 10% meta loadout ingredients use

90% plain pubs

[rigid pilot]

Things meta in uprising so much different

Shout probably really bad

[frank basin]

No it’s all arbite these day

[rigid pilot]

True..

[frank basin]

Arbite flavor only.

I’m getting sick eating those

[rigid pilot]

You have dog or dogless flavour

[frank basin]

I tried Douglas. Taste is mild

And doug is creamy

I don’t like too creamy

[rigid pilot]

[frank basin]

Take Douglas for plain and dip some arbite nade sauce

😋

Crunchy crusher texture

Not half bad

[unreal nova]

Problem is, barring armoured and oggies hitting crits on heads means targets are usually dead.

[stiff glacier]

Indeed

Ive tried mix of onslaught and serated blade on catachan sword

Maybe bit unnecessary

[frank basin]

I have serrated blade with devil claw mk1, is great for low tier horde and of course is awful on armor carapace, (unless you toss krak for it)

[stiff glacier]

I threw the onslaught in there for that reason

And desperado

[frank basin]

Onslaught is work on ranged weapon fast rof

Not great for melee

Unless you use exploit weakness

Crit for brittleness

Still not great

At least hurt the armor

[stiff glacier]

Yea but its funny to use mk4 with the onslaught and just slap lights

Exploit weakness feels underwhelming

[frank basin]

You will get tink tink tink tink a lot

Until you hit the flesh

[stiff glacier]

It was not by my hand i was once more given flesh

I havent tried mk1 after patch

Ive always defaulted to mk4

I should give it a try

[frank basin]

Is pretty much heavy loops for horde, I use savage sweep and shred + precision strike

Manage kill shotgunner and gunner on headshot in 2-3 hit

With heavy attack

It feel satisfied for me to slash through 3 head of elite gunner/shotgunner one hit after got blessing buff from enemies

Maybe like that

Always aim for the head

That 30% headshot damage is for melee and ranged

[steep flower]

Cause it is; its dogwater

[umbral scaffold]

man the reload on the grippy grippy and the double shotguns are sooooooo painful

it works but the downtown to reload during auric or higher is just so small

80% of the game is just reloading

[frank basin]

Weapon specialist would aid you for that

[grand perch]

Though it's funny it stacks brittleness over the usual max limit

You would think that's more useful than it is

[steep flower]

I thankfully don’t cause the target dies before the effect happens

[grand perch]

You want tactical reload (combat shotguns) or always prepared (double barrel)

[steep flower]

I wonder if its an oversight tho

[umbral scaffold]

THNX

[heavy rover]

awww they patched puncture for dog

[normal bay]

Imagine they fixed the bistol interactions

Arby getting vet nerfed

[pseudo fiber]

They did it for just the dog too I was terrified we were gonna get shredders sniped

[heavy rover]

damn arbeetus, taking away our fun

[nimble wadi]

Is there any reason to use the mark VI knife over the III

[tame lodge]

Yeah 6 is better

Better horde clear

10% faster Push Attack for dps

Anyways

They fixed Chained Deathblow

Took them almost a year

[thorn lark]

Mk3 pa is slightly faster I think

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[unreal nova]

Naw, I think lethal still buffs all the explosions. Will test later if nobody does.

[tame lodge]

Chained Deathblow was introduced September 2024

Fixed today

https://tenor.com/view/rotate-gif-25402076

[normal bay]

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1391759947892658308/image.png?ex=686d10f5&is=686bbf75&hm=701f148ada0409ab88bfb0870fd6c1f436f12eb2df9979b3ab5ad9d8cf933198&

Now

[tame lodge]

Hi

Red Specialist here

This is a good red

Also

A Recolor

💀

[nimble wadi]

What’s the difference between the power sword marks

I mean the attack pattern seems only slightly different

[tame lodge]

Mk6 has better single target damage

[safe kiln]

mk6 is pretty much always better than the mk3 ngl

[tame lodge]

Push Attack plus lights

Slightly better horde clear

Better safety

Like the only thing that mk3 might be better at is dealing with pack of ragers

[nimble wadi]

Also with psword are you always activating

[tame lodge]

Because perfectly horizontal heavies with Sunder

Means more Ragers staggered

[red fox]

What's the trick with making P sword not make me feel so defenseless

once im s tuck in a horde it feels so hard to get out compared to like, shovel

[heavy rover]

are you referring to something like doing a block cancel on the power up animation?

[safe kiln]

that's partially also because the psword has ass dodges

i refuse to play power sword on any build that isn't a weapon spec build

[steep flower]

Positioning & keeping your own hubris in check

[red fox]

I don't act ually know how to, but i just meant in general i feel so unsafe with that weapon

[red fox]

Yea i feel it hard

I miss my shovel but the clearing power of PS is good

[heavy rover]

yeah, I feel you. I get so into the clearing with power sword, one slip and I'm overwhelmed

[vague wigeon]

Ffs, new auric mortis trials are HARD

Endless waves with endless bosses are kinda a bit over the top

[red fox]

I just feel like i get so little room to breathe when i push and whack, compared to the stagger of a shovel

[red robin]

Wait foreal?

Chained death blow actually works now?

[red robin]

What is this? Commodore rotation?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[tame lodge]

According to the hotfix yeah

[red robin]

Damnnn

[tame lodge]

I did no tests

[red robin]

What’s chained deathblow again?

Crits on headshot kill?

[unreal nova]

People did ask for HARD. They got exactly what they wanted. At least they didn't touch the lower diffs for those who enjoyed those.

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[split root]

There's nothing as good as blowing a gunner's head clean off of its shoulders with a boltgun lol

[tame lodge]

Up 20%

[red robin]

Might demo perfect strike and chained deathblow on vet

[vague wigeon]

I wished it was harder too, but simple boss spam is boring

[red robin]

With hotshot 1 las

Because I’m pretty sure it becomes infinite cleave

[unreal nova]

To be fair, how would you make it harder other than inflating numbers more.

[red robin]

75% hit mass reduction from perfect strike and 80% hit mass reduction from hotshot

[vague wigeon]

Inflation numbet but not making thme endless?

My point is

Just had a run

wave 3

We killed like 15 plague ogryns

Maybe more

But game just keps spamming more plague ogryns

Not fun

This cound be different bosses at lest

[nimble wadi]

Is the longshot talent a gimmick?

[tame lodge]

A poor one

[safe kiln]

it does nothing until past 12.5m range

[clever hedge]

Never worth

[red fox]

you need it for exhilirating and reload on elite kill tho no

[grand perch]

exhilirating takedown is the weakest of the 3 toughness regen nodes up there

definitely not worth taking longshit for it

[lost silo]

chat what curios do i run for hybrid build ?

should i do 2 toughness 1 wound or 2 toughness and 1 stamina

[tame lodge]

2 toughness 1 stamina

[lost silo]

is that the most optimal option ?

[tame lodge]

Probably

2 tg 1 HP also works

Just

Not wounds

[lost silo]

alr

what if i want to run frontline ?

[tame lodge]

If you're starting it's okay to use wounds

But as times go
Just forego wounds

[tame lodge]

Toughness

[lost silo]

alr

[red fox]

instead of get more down

learn not to down

\o/

[lost silo]

the moment my ass touches the ground it's always in one of the weirdest place

so almost guarantee death

[red fox]

Tell me more about your ass and the things it touches

[lost silo]

pool of flames

uh

inside the beast belly

uh

beaten by the daemonhost

[safe kiln]

so the beast can only vore you when you get slimed on

[lost silo]

fair enough

[red fox]

most upsetting way to say that but ye

[lost silo]

also why do i see some people with like

15 stamina bars

or some with 6 wounds

[safe kiln]

6 wounds?

either ogryn wound maxxing

[narrow widget]

martyrdom veteran build incoming

[normal bay]

Martyrdom zealots

[safe kiln]

or a zealot playing martyrdom

6 is pretty common wound count for marty since it lets u run a stam or toughness curio

[grand perch]

how very australian

[lost silo]

then what about people with shitload of stamina

[safe kiln]

this is just triple stam curio

[narrow widget]

[lost silo]

what is it used for

[safe kiln]

more stam to block, sprint, push, etc

[normal bay]

Deadshot builds on vet

Memes

[safe kiln]

stam is very useful!

[red fox]

is that actually good?

[narrow widget]

no

[red fox]

seems like a heavy trade off

yea thought so

[narrow widget]

at least ive never seen it in actual practice

[lost silo]

how does one achieve 6 wounds anyway

[normal bay]

I'm not a fan of deadshot, you have to be very good to get the most out of it, or you'll be a sitting duck with no stam

[safe kiln]

impossible for any class that isnt ogryn or zealot

[red fox]

doesn't help that the bolter ADS is buggy af

[lost silo]

say if it's zealot

[normal bay]

Zealot has a node that gives you two wounds + 2 wound curios

[grand perch]

depends

[safe kiln]

2 wound curio + the node that gives 2 wounds ye

[narrow widget]

2 inherent wounds on zealot, 2 wounds from zealot talent, 2 wound curios

[grand perch]

my default havoc 40 build is a deadshot meme

[safe kiln]

hellbore?

[lost silo]

alrighty

[grand perch]

laspistol mark X

[red fox]

Also whats the go to strat when 15 dogs appear and start jumping at you

[grand perch]

slightly changed version of scabs build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

[red fox]

i can block like 4-5 before they start jumping from behind you

[normal bay]

Start blasting

[safe kiln]

is that the light or heavy variant i dont remember which mark is which on the laspistol lol

[normal bay]

X is the Heavy one

[red fox]

can you shove dogs away with the bolter?

[narrow widget]

chuck a nade or two

[lost silo]

what about the perks

[normal bay]

With the special punch I think

[safe kiln]

positioning around a corner so none of them can jump on you

[normal bay]

Haven't tried it myself

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-spam-dustbowl-spawn-gif-20281790

spam nades

[lost silo]

chat what perk do i run on curios vet hybrid build

[grand perch]

hybrid meaning? weapon specialist?

[lost silo]

a little bit of everything

[narrow widget]

idk but i always take gunner resistance stamina regen

[red fox]

Gunner resistance is looking mighty tempting recently

[pseudo fiber]

Double toughness +3 stamina
3x gunner resist
Sprint efficiency
Revive speed

30% exp

Chance of curio on mission rewards

[narrow widget]

???

[pseudo fiber]

Don't do that last one

[red fox]

lmao

[lost silo]

what da hell

[faint beacon]

State mandated error code

[lost silo]

i usually run health toughness and toughness regen because idk what should i go so

i decided to be basic

[narrow widget]

stamina regen always helpful

[lost silo]

replace which one tho

[narrow widget]

toughness regen

[red fox]

isn't toughness regen only the passive regen

[pseudo fiber]

Toughness regen isn't good

[narrow widget]

you have shout for a reason

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lost silo]

alr

is only death does the duty end a good talent

[narrow widget]

no just shout and pick the person up while the enemies are staggered

[faint beacon]

Toughness regen is bad cause its only regen and if any enemy (they normally are) are attempting to slot you in melee it turns your coherency regen off

aka

yes

its bad

[steep flower]

Don’t run toughness regen its dogshit

[steep flower]

And other toughness restore talents

[steep flower]

You should run 3 ability cooldown reduction on every build; trust me

[lost silo]

this or stamina

[steep flower]

Also 3 +toughness perks, 2 gunner resists is enough for any build to be tanky enough, last 1 perk on a curio is either stamina regen or hp

[steep flower]

Once you’ll learn how to micromanage stamina usage you will not need tremendous amounts of stamina regen

[narrow widget]

revive speed

[steep flower]

2 situational; its good but the ammount of times it will be used is scarse + you have invis/shout with golden toughness to back you up & allow you to revive

I never take it; in v2 its peak, in darktide its niche

[narrow widget]

what if i need those extra .1 seconds

[sudden cedar]

There can also be the mindset that if you need revive speed, you expect your teammates to go down to justify taking it. Outside of that specific circumstance, revive speed won't do anything.

Sure, it may help getting someone up again, but it would be better to prevent this from happening in the first place.

[steep flower]

Then you already fked up the timing of the stagger you apply on enemies and the time required to revive a teammate

[lost silo]

so toughness gunner resist and ability regen on first 2

and toughness ability and stam/hp on last

[lost silo]

also tell me

[hollow ibex]

sprint efficiency, not stam regen

[lost silo]

this is confusing

[hollow ibex]

if you want better stam economy, stam regen is the normal go-to

but vet has the unique benefit of having the worst fucking stam regen delay of the human classes

which makes stam regen considerably less useful

[safe kiln]

1 sec delay

[hollow ibex]

you'll get more mileage by simply using less stam to begin with

through taking sprint eff

[steep flower]

No; ability cooldown on all curios, toughness too (in terms of perks), 2 gunner resists

[safe kiln]

by comparison zealot gets .75 delay and 1.5 regen/sec, arby and psyker share .5 delay 1 regen/sec, oggy shares with vet 1 delay and 1 regen/sec

[lost silo]

and what's the last one

[steep flower]

If its like 1 i guess but in general nah

[hollow ibex]

3x spring eff is godly on vet

[steep flower]

Either stamina regen (i run that) or anything that might help in areas you struggle with

[lost silo]

oah

okah

[steep flower]

It is nice on like any class but forgoing toughness/ability cooldown/gunner resist in favor of being able to sprint more is not good enough

I rather have 10% more toughness than 30% sprint eff anyday

(I don’t even consider replacing ability cooldown or gunner resists in favor of sprint eff; that would be diabolical)

[vague wigeon]

Ffs, average skill level really went down with arby DLC

Just had the game

Gunpsyker was going down all the time. when i decided to spectate her - i saw how she met 4 chaff mobs with flak helmnets and started surging them to death

Meanwhile she had recon las an dueling sword

Arbiter remains the last one alive
@
Uses his charge to charge into poxburster and dies

Bruh

And there was me splayin everything with recon las on the vet to get melk's quests done

[steep flower]

You mean smite

[vague wigeon]

So we were kinda owrth each other

But still

[vague wigeon]

I mean i don't fuking remember

The fucking palpatine thing

Lighting

[barren nimbus]

I just realized that the dog overrides all my grenade damage, very cool

[steep flower]

If its a gunpsyker tgen obviously there is no staff and you refering to the action as ‚surging’ implies its lightning and thus it would be surge staff but psyker has a gun so no staff which leave only blitz which is smite

[steep flower]

Its called ‚smite’

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, absolute power

[pseudo fiber]

https://imgur.com/a/MT3KnjV

Is this not fun for you?

[steep flower]

The staff that casts lightning is ‚surge’

[vague wigeon]

Fucking hell

Is this auric?

[pseudo fiber]

Probably

[barren nimbus]

So arbites get shredders and they get a dog that also takes all my shredder damage and gives it to them

[tame lodge]

Why is it playing leapfrog

😭

[pseudo fiber]

Remember the fucking dog from elden ring

That did like 24 billion bleed damage

[steep flower]

Ye the hitbox glitch on blood dogs special crawl bite attack

[pseudo fiber]

We got that in darktide baby

[steep flower]

Not even close but i get the similarities

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1391803058886807696/7D1D001.MP4?ex=686d391b&is=686be79b&hm=a300692d43b751b402c60f7cc9f32768cf1c483c9dfd8ff0b904e202d353bdae&

2k dps on scab rager 😭

[vague wigeon]

Hell

That's OP

[barren nimbus]

wow thats so cool that the dog is just a walking shredder grenade

[vague wigeon]

Love the dog name btw

[sleek garden]

how is it doing 1k damagte

[safe kiln]

all for free 😄 no resource consumption

[tame lodge]

I'm telling you man

[pseudo fiber]

Lol

[tame lodge]

You pay 12 bucks for the dog

[atomic void]

this is all 100% a bug
now the real question is when is it getting fixed
any bets?

[tame lodge]

Not for the human

[atomic void]

i say 2030

[sleek garden]

its not a bug

[pseudo fiber]

Okay actual answer the new hotfix made the dogs bleed get buffed from dog buffs

[pseudo fiber]

Like... August

[barren nimbus]

the shredder damage override still annoys me and it will never be fixed

[tame lodge]

It took them a whole year to fix Chained Deathblow bug

[atomic void]

the bleed getting juicied is not in the patch notes, someone fucked the code up

[sleek garden]

i see

[steep flower]

Keystone; enemies were marked that means +150% dmg

[sleek garden]

so theres 0 reason to take anything but arbites right now is what im hearing

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[atomic void]

well the reason is u play what u want and not what wins

[tame lodge]

You do it for the dog

[sleek garden]

because the dog can barrel through a horde to pounce a specialist and kill the entire horde by accident

[atomic void]

itll be fixed next year trust

[steep flower]

Nah b

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[steep flower]

Why not both? Don’t be a burden on your team

[sleek garden]

its okay ill still be playing veteran infantry lasgun through my tears

[tame lodge]

Oh you trying to dodge and get your proper buffs up

Nuh uh

Arby's just staggered everything

[steep flower]

Can we have that homer simpson meme with ‚do it for her’ template?

[atomic void]

i mean yeah im not saying go throw, im just saying i play whatever class i feel like playing and not the hottest item on the menu

[tame lodge]

Because fuck your on dodge blessings

[sleek garden]

maybe ill be able to shoot that shotgunner conga li-the arbiter just one shot them all with his shotgun

[steep flower]

Oggy was doing it already

[sleek garden]

i'll toss a krak at the- the ogryn just one shot it with a pickaxe

i'm gonna throw a shredder into the ho- the entire horde is dead

[tame lodge]

And Psyker

[steep flower]

Better phrasing

[tame lodge]

[atomic void]

imma be honest

u could also turn the game off with flamer and relic blade zealot

ALMOST like the entire game has an issue with busted things

people only came to realize after two busted reworks in a row

[pseudo fiber]

Tell that to reddit

[hollow ibex]

i think even reddit is slowly realizing

[sleek garden]

reddit is like if everyone is cracked nobody is

and then they wonder where the enemies are

and then instead of retuning weapons they'll buff enemy health by 3x

its ok because they'll buff the catachan sword sideways slash and give the duelling sword the same buff

[narrow widget]

i saw a few posts a couple days ago like "we should give arbites ammo on dog kills"

like ?????

[sleek garden]

the arbites even at lvl 1 in the baby mode one shots enemies

i dont think my psyker could do that with strikedowns on the baby devils claw they gave me

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

Where's my badflakosis cure

[sleek garden]

erm rampage

[bold sierra]

they kinda messed up the laspistol's crit VFX lol, the laser just kinda freezes mid-air when it crits

[sleek garden]

actually i think the devils claw is unironically the only weapon in the game where you still need to pay attention to where you hit people

because when you have to fight dreg bruisers its better to aim for the body when fighting multiple

and it doesnt do any damage to carapace on maulers so you are still trying to land strikedowns on the body

[bold sierra]

honestly I mostly pull out my dclaw to fight against a horde of dreg ragers, it's best against that

[sleek garden]

i love devils claw for that

its the one thing its good for

lop a million rager heads off

[bold sierra]

absolute baller

[sleek garden]

maybe lose 5 health

[bold sierra]

it can also block boss attacks which is dope

[sleek garden]

i need to make my achlys combat axe one shot bruisers

because that is one of the other sad weapons

[pseudo fiber]

It's like a perfect zoo for the worst players you've ever seen

[sleek garden]

it trades any cleave for slightly faster attacks

[bold sierra]

honestly I love achlys on zealot, not that good on vet tho, Brutal Momentum with the side sweep heavy + thrust is actually really good, can go through like 6-7 21st moebian guys on Havoc 40, and those guys are CHUNKY

[sleek garden]

the spike has a modifier against flak and carapace i think

gonna do some testing with one real quick

[candid junco]

What's the dump stat for a Spearhead Boltgun?

Or a Bolt Pistol

[bold sierra]

mostly Collateral

[hollow ibex]

bistol is collateral

bolter's mob

[candid junco]

Wouldn't bistol benefit from Mobility?

[hollow ibex]

yes

so you dump collateral

[bold sierra]

honestly 80 collateral on Bolter doesn't do that much, or anything at all most of the times, having a bit of extra mobility on Bolter is always nice, given how long the reload is

[hollow ibex]

because collateral does nothing for bistol

[candid junco]

Also I've heard that Collateral on a bolter can stagger too much

[bold sierra]

^

that too

[hollow ibex]

dumping mobility on bolter

is mostly to open up bulwark shields in 2 shots with ES

idk if there's other stagger breakpoints for bolter

[candid junco]

Damn, misread the names

[hollow ibex]

impacted by dumping collateral

[candid junco]

Interesting, thanks

[candid junco]

So for a build not using ES would it make a difference?

[hollow ibex]

not sure what other breakpoints it might impact

@tall torrent is prob the only person who's tested this lol

[sleek garden]

oh they fixed every weapon gibbing

back giant holes in enemy faces

yay

how are you still moving

[steep flower]

Mobility for both of those

[steep flower]

Bulwarks

[sleek garden]

should i take decapitator

[steep flower]

The what now

[candid junco]

I feel like it'd be somewhat useful on a bistol

[sleek garden]

decapitator on me achlys combat axe

[sudden cedar]

Achlys Combat Axe

[steep flower]

Well… brutal momentum exists

[steep flower]

Combine both

[sudden cedar]

With the buffs to the Combat Shotguns, i need a better worst weapon

[steep flower]

Shredder

[tame lodge]

Decapitator still ass

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[sudden cedar]

Thought as much

Achlys Combat Axe and Ius Shredder Autopistol

[steep flower]

I dunno man; buff seems massive

[tame lodge]

The buffs are

The activation isn't

You gotta 100 to 0 something

[steep flower]

Thats not hard

[tame lodge]

If a teammate touches an enemy

You lose that condition

[narrow widget]

vig autogun

[sudden cedar]

No.

Vigilant Autogun is fine.

The Columnus.. maybe. But just maybe.

[unreal nova]

Sad about it. Gibfest is funni.

[steep flower]

Actually; the 3 burst one is second worse you could use

[sudden cedar]

Yeah, the recoil is brutal

For what role this weapon is supposed to fill out.. or rather function maybe?

Anyway, it is not good.

[gaunt hare]

the vigilant autogun sucks ass, deals no damage and has crazy recoil depending on the mark

[gaunt hare]

marksman weapon

[narrow widget]

the scope 💔

[sudden cedar]

Graia Vigilant.

[steep flower]

You build it wrong then but the recoil needs to be adressed

[narrow widget]

wtf is this 💔

[sudden cedar]

A dodge counter.

[gaunt hare]

oh yeah, it has no scope either

same problem as the helbore

[steep flower]

Basically gutter sights

[sudden cedar]

I have no issues hitting the head with the Graia tho.

[steep flower]

Like on a shotgun

[sudden cedar]

Someone with a less sophisticated weapon is usually faster tho.

Like, Plasma Gun or Bolt Gun

[gaunt hare]

i like how there’s a thing on the shotgun that if you dodge it has realistic spread

[sudden cedar]

Dance of Death.

[unreal nova]

Or run and gun if it has it... lul. Why don't all shotguns have it?

[sleek garden]

if you stand still or crouch with the vigilant autos they have no recoil

wrong reply

its over

[narrow widget]

💔

[faint beacon]

Vigils could use changes but imo from least amount of changes/buffs to most

Graia -> Agri -> Column

[sleek garden]

vigils seem to be an an alright spot i just wish they had ghost

i miss ghost so much

[faint beacon]

They do just

You’re throwing if you pick ghost on the others marks

[sudden cedar]

Ghost is immunity to suppression?

[safe kiln]

ranged attacks in general on weakspot

[faint beacon]

Graia is the only one that can use it

[sleek garden]

ghost is ranged immunity on headshot

[sudden cedar]

Or ranged ignore you?

Sounds like a comfort pick. But again, i see it from a Zealot perspective and not a Veteran.

[sleek garden]

why would you take ghost over crit banking and deadly accurate

[gaunt hare]

ah so it’s infiltrator zealot giving the realistic spread

[sleek garden]

but at the same time i want to be anti shooter

[sudden cedar]

Infiltrator Zealot? What?

[gaunt hare]

right path

[sudden cedar]

If you refer to Shroudfield, that is not required.

[faint beacon]

Opening Salvo + Ghost
Elite Maniac

Graia lets you actually snipe and not get punished for it

[sleek garden]

im gonna take the burst auto

[gaunt hare]

yeah i know it’s not i’m just trying to get right path zealot penances rn

[steep flower]

Oh no… the PTSD… its happening I wish you luck

[gaunt hare]

i got the shroudfield and momentum one, but the tknife and kill 200 ranged enemies out of coherency are kicking my ass

[sudden cedar]

You could be grateful it is only 200.

Some penances require bonkers amount of enemies.

[sleek garden]

burst rifle is really tough to use

at least on train

sad

[gaunt hare]

yeah like the krak nade and prenerf arbites penances

(krak one is tedious cause people love to steal kills for it

[sleek garden]

i spawned in and the ship was leaving?

[bold sierra]

honestly I prefer this sight wayyy more than inf lasgun's scope reticle lol

[faint beacon]

It’s just tough in general especially when paired with Exterm User Arby’s

Just expect to barely get any elite or special picks when that happens

[grand perch]

i think i just heard an ogrynheimer get very excited

more love from fatalist arby to fem cutthroat

[steep flower]

exter shotty is alright; nothing OP, nothing below par; just good

[nimble wadi]

How do I use rev heavy attacks on chain axe without getting getting wrecked by everything around me while locked in the animation

[untold mulch]

Prayer?

[safe kiln]

create space with shout/shredders beforehand

or dodge out of the animation

[untold mulch]

I assume Caxe has the same thing with Chainsword that the last tick of damage is usually the one that matters so dodging out is a pain

[warm walrus]

posting here rq uh

rashad caxe on infiltrate/smoke build, i plan to mess with it a bit on malice/heresy, what's a good gun to run with it

i saw bistol might not work because infil being a 2 point tax might take me away from the good stuff

[sonic kayak]

@faint beacon I forgot to ask, how're you running your Taxe with your build?

[faint beacon]

On what

Havoc or Auric

[sonic kayak]

either

With your shotgun build

[faint beacon]

Huge difference between the two

But I’m literally just doing the BNB pathing down to FT

Left side to Sup Complex

And right side only to Desperado

[livid hill]

I think to augment the vet's sort of grenadier play style I think a grenade launcher or missile launcher would be awesome.

[warm walrus]

actually i wonder would helbore be based here

[warm walrus]

id be down for a grenade launcher actually

there's precedent with it given guardsmen can grab a gl in dawn of war

[livid hill]

Maybe the missile launcher can lock onto carapace so its like a portable krak grenade type thing

[warm walrus]

i see it kind of a low ammo but incredibly strong weapon

[livid hill]

Yes exactly

[warm walrus]

think doom bfg

you break it out when shit has hit the fan and you need the area clear now

shots here and there are fine but you don't magdump unless shit has absolutely hit the fan

wait no ogryn grenade gauntlet

okay maybe less strong but definitely could be a powerful special sniper

[livid hill]

I'm thinking like a milkor mgl to differentiate it from the ogryn's grenade launchers and maybe you could give it air burst or some kind of special ammo thingy

[warm walrus]

mmm, true

[livid hill]

I was thinking smaller radius and less damage but then more grenades in the clip

[warm walrus]

aye

[hollow ibex]

Tfw ogryn is a better grenadier than vet

[warm walrus]

uhh i was also thinking deployable weapons for vet too given how sergeant merrick in dow2 is built different

[livid hill]

He's bigger lol

[livid hill]

Yes yes

[low wadi]

what are best weps rn?

ranged

[livid hill]

Dow is also why i want a heavy bolter for ogryn

[warm walrus]

imagine a vet deploying a heavy bolter and he just erases an entire lane regardless of who's in it, poxwalker or crusher

[warm walrus]

i have a lot of success with bolter

im hearing plasma/helbore's solid too

recon as well

[livid hill]

Recon and plasma but its more complicated that that

You can get away with a lot of weapons tho

[tame lodge]

Helbore
Plasma
Recon
Bolter
Zarona revolver
Bolt Pistol
Agripina Combat Shotgun

[livid hill]

So like, you should experiment see what you likes

[tame lodge]

Vraks5

In no particular order

[livid hill]

How do you use the helbore i want to learn

[low wadi]

thanks guys!

[tame lodge]

You point and click

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[warm schooner]

learn to dodge without seeing the attack coming

[tame lodge]

Surgical HIGHLY recommended

[warm schooner]

helbore isn't the aiming as things go higher, it's not getting clowned on by poxwalker backshots

[livid hill]

But its like. Its just hard when you're not really an amazing shot like me and you're always having to move around

[warm walrus]

side note im amused at how sefoni acts if she doesn't like you

[livid hill]

I can do this bc of the little sound backstabs make a second before they happen

[warm schooner]

also laspistol mk10 is slept on

[tame lodge]

That's where surgical helps

If you hit body

[livid hill]

Thank you

[tame lodge]

It would still be a CRIT because surgical

[tawdry osprey]

yall use shattering impact on plasma gun ?

[frank basin]

Getting too many back for some dodges make ineffective

[tame lodge]

Nope

Either Rising Heat + Gets Hot

Or

Blaze Away + Optimized Cooling

[tawdry osprey]

hmm

[tawdry osprey]

what about boltgun?

[tame lodge]

Usually paired with Puncture

[safe kiln]

puncture pinning fire

[tame lodge]

Funny brittle bleed

[tawdry osprey]

what's the cap on bleed

[tame lodge]

16 stacks iirc

[frank basin]

Yup

16 stack

Brittleness also too

[tawdry osprey]

shattering impact + puncture so puncture stacks brittle?

[frank basin]

40% of 16 stack

[ionic trail]

so, if there are any Vraks IAG users in here, what's the secret sauce?

I've got DumDum and deathspitter (had a failed bout of Raking Fire on it) on mine and it's a god roll, with Infiltrate. I've been able to make it work to limited success by trying to infiltrate up to groups of gunners and gunning them down with it, but.

It always feels like it runs out of ammo the second I need it to actually go full auto (unlike my recon) or otherwise doesn't do enough damage. this build currently uses Focus Target as a keystone.

any advice on what I might be missing, or is there nothing to miss and it's just.. like this?

(this is on damnation btw. Just damnation)

[safe kiln]

what's the build?

[frank basin]

My man. 🤝

[tame lodge]

The shots apply brittleness and bleed
The bleed damage is buffed by brittleness

[ionic trail]

hold up let me take the 5 business days it'll require for my darktide to load in.

[tawdry osprey]

that sounds like my kinda thing i love dots and debuffing the enemy

[ionic trail]

yeah it's still loading lmao haven't even seen char select yet

the burdens of a HDD

alright, finally..

So let's see.

[tawdry osprey]

use an online build website so you don't have to log on everytime

[ionic trail]

You are absolutely right.

[tawdry osprey]

here's the most popular one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[steep flower]

@sonic kayak OI MAN; I CAN SHOW YA THE BUILD BEFORE I PLAY WITH OTHER PPL

[sonic kayak]

now's a good time, yeah

just don't play with other ppl smh

[ionic trail]

I have a feeling I see a few weak spots, like maybe trying to force a keystone instead of just not getting one in exchange for Onslaught might have helped, and the fact that neither of my weapons are godrolls (I said it was, I was dead wrong lmao sorry)

thoughts?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f55f8b6-c58a-4f26-836e-b33f0a265040/vraks-iag-build

this build is stretched out tbf and makes some questionable decisions in the name of trying to allow me to use the grenades more frequently, it might ALSO be that but.. all I have are theories. I trust getting other people's opinions a bit more

[safe kiln]

well the vraks iag has never had amazing ammo economy but you don't have survivalist or the 25% extra ammo node

also are you shooting horde enemies?

[ionic trail]

not usually, no.

[safe kiln]

hmm

[ionic trail]

I usually try to infiltrate closer to problem groups of specials to gun them down, it works 50% of the time

and it was always the main clip that was problematic rather than reserve, I found. I did intentionally give up the ammo node though in the name of trying to force a keystone + a few grenade nodes so that might be a pain spot?

[safe kiln]

oh you're not killing fast enough before needing to reload?

[ionic trail]

it often feels like that yeah

[safe kiln]

are you consistently hitting headshots?

[ionic trail]

... huh. Not as much as I'd like, actually.

that'd do it

[safe kiln]

yeah IAG bodyshot dps isnt great

[ionic trail]

So definitely go for headshots on this thing, alright.

I've seen a post around here from .rawr about whether or not to use Onslaught. in your opinion

do you think it'd eb worth giving up everything below Iron Will to get the ammo node and maybe try to get to Onslaught?

I feel like it'd also help, since I do feel like I'm forcing the build to get that keystone with how much in other areas i just didn't take

[safe kiln]

onslaught will let you shoot into carapace but otherwise its not too big a deal

[ionic trail]

hmmn, alright

thank you, this helped.

one last question that's probably a bit of a meme but uh

marksman's focus. i've never really used it and it seems odd but ... the benefits it could offer

is IAG even able to be used with it???

I've seen posts that mention IAG and MMF

but not that many

focus target seems better since i ping a lot

[safe kiln]

IAG is decent with mmf

[hollow ibex]

Yes but MMF is ass to play

IAG is one of the few guns with actual synergies with MMF

[ionic trail]

Hmmmnnn 🤔

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/A8wwf5WF lets make this quick

[safe kiln]

onslaught would help with boss dps and let you damage carapace

[ionic trail]

You're right.

... tempting. .. this gives me things to think about

[safe kiln]

but ye IAGs hugely benefit from landing consistent headshots

[faint beacon]

Helbore

Vigilant

Combat Shotgun

Infantry Las

I will keep going

Doesn’t mean MMF is fun or fantastic cause it’s miserable using

But it synergizes

[safe kiln]

i wish it was easier to see a weapons adm and finesse bonus

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VQW8dhmy8

[tame lodge]

You wouldn't think that Combat shotguns and MMF would combine

But here we are

[midnight totem]

Fatshark should hire me, I would overpower balance out vet right quick.

[grand perch]

agrip with its nutty finesse damage

makes my MMF heart go faster

[faint beacon]

SAP also

Hold Click on boss head and it stumbles over and dies

[ionic trail]

my beloved agrip shotgun has high finesse...?

... oh shit. 👁️

as if i needed more reasons to like it

[grand perch]

boy has it

all shotguns are finesse weapons (for some fucking reason)

[faint beacon]

Aim

Click on head

Enemy go bye bye

[grand perch]

look at that increase from base damage to weakspot / crit hits on agrip combat shotty

nuts

[ionic trail]

holy FUCK

[grand perch]

i should mention thats the damage table for the slug shot

[ionic trail]

i love the slug shot tbh

[faint beacon]

Who could’ve guessed

[grand perch]

normal shot still excellent

[faint beacon]

When a comically large bullet hits you in the head

YOU FUCKING DIE

[ionic trail]

sending them to nurgle via the express route

[faint beacon]

Fun Fact

[safe kiln]

vraks in comparison ^

[faint beacon]

Agri slug round immediately opens up bulwarks

So you can slug round their shield stagger them out of their defense stance

And unload into their head

Agri is a fuck you to bulwarks

Lmao

[grand perch]

i feel obliged to repost this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hof73e-1EPQ

feat. galetastic bottom tag line

[faint beacon]

I made that bottom caption…

[safe kiln]

i should play more mmf

[ionic trail]

Executioner's Stance, It's been 50 years since I've used you...

it's how I first got into the shotgun back before any of the vet and weapon building reworks

they had just nerfed the recon

my beloved

and I was left wondering "what the fuck do I do now"

[faint beacon]

It’s fucking Hilarious how Agri is now a staple veteran weapon

Lmao

[ionic trail]

and in my darkest hour, there it was.

the agri shotgun.

it deserves the fame tbh
such a good weapon

yeah im gonna be insane and try to make the IAG work with MMF

[safe kiln]

surgical norespite for mk4 lucius or armorbane?

[faint beacon]

I made MMF Vigils work

IAG MMF is absolutely easily possible

[safe kiln]

very viable in aurics might run into ammo issues in havoc?

[ionic trail]

I can't see myself being a havoc player anytime soon so that works for me

my friends and I are slowly trying to work into aurics and I covet the auric titles/medals you can use next to your name

havoc... havoc can wait until aurics are comfy

[safe kiln]

i mostly play auric mael, dont feel like finding a havoc group

[ionic trail]

does the helbore even stagger enemies?

[hollow ibex]

It can

Falter helbore exists as well

[faint beacon]

You generally do unless it’s Las weapon with Shocktrooper

[ionic trail]

hunh... I've been meaning to go back to the Helbore recently as well. .. so many things to try

[faint beacon]

Besides havoc demands more melee

[ionic trail]

have my veteran that I have using the IAG

yes, it is an affront to the omnissiah. I have not shown it to hadron in weeks for fear of being summarily executed

[safe kiln]

im so happy weapon customization mod is clientside only

[grand perch]

The agrip IAG hits some funny BPs with MMF if memory serves

[faint beacon]

I semi wish it wasn’t to see fucked up evil weapons

[ionic trail]

honestly same, though i wish there were ways to share it to friends

like, im badmouthing the gun above but i love it and it honestly still looks really good

there are some downright

fucking UGLY combinations you can make

[faint beacon]

I liked he AIAG I just get reminded at times it’s lukewarm

[ionic trail]

i have made monstrosities before. never used them, but it's... eugh

[safe kiln]

I've seen some truly cursed weapons

from a friend ^

[ionic trail]

oh dear.

[faint beacon]

Change the scope and I can see that being less cursed

[hollow ibex]

Better than colum at least

[ionic trail]

... i did use it to turn my bolter into a regal looking giant assault rifle

[hollow ibex]

Looks like a stubby SAW tbh

[ionic trail]

... it does

[jolly raft]

What’s the ideal combos for both horde clear and single target using the mk xiiig assault chainsword? I’m still fairly new

[hollow ibex]

You could just light spam for horde tbh

But theoretically it’s something stupid like PA L H

Single target it depends

Can be rev heavy then heavy

Or H H L

[jolly raft]

Copy that thank you.

[long dove]

to take good pics I need mods huh?

[sleek garden]

that giant muzzle isnt even on the barrel

thats like a gargantuan gas tube

[ionic trail]

it makes the bolts fly faster shhh

[vernal blade]

The most commissar look

[hollow ibex]

[vapid thunder]

whats the niche of laspistol

[tacit sonnet]

ranged enemies destroyer

[vapid thunder]

so poppin gunners/specialists?

[warm schooner]

boss damage as well

[tacit sonnet]

Yes, you just click heads of all shooters and specialists

[warm schooner]

really easy to get free trades and wreck monstrosities, dueling is super easy too

[vapid thunder]

sounds like a worse revolver tbh

[warm schooner]

nah

revolver has worse ammo economy now

especially with the cleave being severely nerfed

[sleek garden]

revolver is specialist/elite annihilator

laspistol has a lot more ammo and is more versatile

[warm schooner]

I would never take revolver into havoc for example

not anymore anyways

[sleek garden]

Take it with ghost, it works great against shooters

[warm schooner]

with CAB the way it is and how good the mobility on the pistol, you don't need ghost

I can solo entire rooms of gunners and reapers

[sleek garden]

Cab?

[warm schooner]

catch a breath

use the perk that gives toughness on elite kills and sustain toughness and you should be able to hold down all ranged by yourself, ghost is a crutch now imo

also don't even need the suppression immunity

deadshot is also not a meme with laspistol mk 10, I run with 2 +3 stams and use the focus target +tough and +stam on marked kill and it works really well

with enough elites it easily pays for itself

[hollow ibex]

You just contradicted yourself in the same message

[warm schooner]

some people don't just play auric

[hollow ibex]

Taking two stam curios to make a build work is memeing

[safe kiln]

what's wrong with stam curios

[warm schooner]

prejudice

also the stam helps when you have next to no melee clear and need to push your way through the horde sometimes

[limber tartan]

How do I make the power sword good?

[safe kiln]

block cancel

learn the pa -> light single target combo

play weapon spec so the horrendous dodges are slightly less shit

[hollow ibex]

Not necessary on most builds. That’s all

[hollow ibex]

Maybe its bc you’re running a meme deadshot build 😭

[limber tartan]

Stam curios are so good because of mortis trials randomly spawning a demonhost or two, sometimes you just need to keep blocking and the extra tick really helps. Same with getting taken from behind by ragers, it takes a lot of stam to block attacks from behind especially from multiple enemies

[hollow ibex]

Mortis trials is a meme as well

[limber tartan]

Thanks I didn't know there was animation canceling at all in this game lol

[hollow ibex]

You can permastun DH with a dinky little pistol

If you take the right perks

Forget blocking

[limber tartan]

Idk I don't find this game challenging if you just go online and find the right builds, I find this game much more enjoyable when I'm trying to figure out how to max out soul blaze and such stacks by myself

[hollow ibex]

Hope you’re ready to be misled and constantly gaslighted no matter what you do

[warm schooner]

this chat has a lot of bad opinions tbh so finding anything "right" is always a challenge

[hollow ibex]

Wake me up when deadshit isn’t a meme 😴

Ah yes. Let us give the class with by far the worse fucking stam economy in the game a talent that constantly drains their stamina

[safe kiln]

at least vets get some talents that give stamina back

[hollow ibex]

Yeah true and those talents tend to be quite good

[next wigeon]

Any advice on a build centered around the Recon Lasgun? Not as familiar with the Veteran as I'd like to admit lol.

[past stratus]

I usually go FT for Recon with all the default build nodes

infernus and some other blessing

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[gilded rock]

If ghost synergizes with duck and dive or whatever restores stamina on ranged dodge, then deadshot would be pretty funny

[safe kiln]

it... might? if ghost puts you into a dodging state against ranged attacks

[gilded rock]

Yeah I'm not actually sure if it does

I would play my hlasp marksman focus build more but its maniac damage makes me sad

[heavy rover]

I mean I did used to run deadshot for havoc, and it worked

and then the helbore buffs came

[gilded rock]

Definitely worth if you can manage it

[lofty lintel]

if i get a wep wih a really low stat can i empower it to 80 or is it not optimal

[safe kiln]

if the max stat is 80 yes, if the max stat is not, it'll empower to whatever the max stat is

[long dove]

anyone got tips to get the "On Overwatch" Penance?

[midnight totem]

Don't get hit

[long dove]

Never would have thought of it

lmao

[midnight totem]

Lmao, sorry

more seriously

If you got a friend or two to babysit you

I'd suggest an ogryn with taunt

you can use shout vet selfishly of course, use shout to keep distance

toss grenades at your feet

[long dove]

and then the single dreg spawns from the abyss to tenderly touch my ass and ruin the run

[midnight totem]

or you can use infiltrate vet to keep aggro off yourself

[unreal nova]

You want cheese or CHEESE?

[chrome gust]

@karmic goblet

[midnight totem]

I mean, you should always keep your head on a swivel

[unreal nova]

Cos there's a CHEESE if you can beg someone to solo malice for you.

[safe kiln]

you can find a premade and just perma hold block and be constantly looking around

[safe kiln]

is this the jump off the map and get revived at the end

[unreal nova]

Just let them run off and hang at the start to die.

[long dove]

does that work?

[midnight totem]

does that still work? thought they patche it

[unreal nova]

Yes. Still works. DO NOT RESCUE.

[safe kiln]

oh you dont even get rescued at the end?

[unreal nova]

Don't want them to accidentally take a hit and ruin it.

One unlucky backstab and...

.-.

[safe kiln]

i was going to suggest shooting all barrels ahead of time and holding block for 99% of the run

[gilded rock]

It's only counting health damage for that one, right?

[unreal nova]

Melee hp damage.

[gilded rock]

Either way the cheese is easier

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Why you can go shout vet and get gud when it's down...

[midnight totem]

Grab a devil's claw and parry