veteran-class

[gray anvil]

both

[grim barn]

whats the better recon lasgun mk

[grand perch]

All good for different purposes

Fastest firing is good for burn damage and other on hit effects like onslaught.
Another mark has the best ammo economy
Third one has additional cleave

Don't remember right now what the marks were of each

[abstract sand]

my personal preference for recon: XII with Dumdum and Infernus

[grim barn]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-bubble-bubble-tadc-tadc-digital-circus-dc-bubble-gif-6487182368078100696

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-tongue-flight-flight-reacts-excited-gif-17057509

[steep flower]

Ok my friend; time for a quick lesson on 'Damage modifiers that buff Boltgun'

1. Longshot (Not the best choice, preferably do not pick it)
2. 'Ranged Damage Boost' nodes below 'Survivalist' aura & 'Executioners Stance' ability (considering how every good vet build is made you get both)
3. 'Agile Engagement' (Usually not picked for Boltgun but still a very potent choice)
4. 'Fire Team' aura (LMAO don't take it - 'Survivalist' gives soo much more value)
5. 'Kill Zone' (Very good)
6. 'Executioners Stance' ability (You wanna use VoC but yeah)
7. 'Surprise Attack' modifier for 'Infiltrate' Ability (You wanna use VoC but yeah)
8. 'Precision Strikes' (Obvious as water being wet )
9. 'Superiority Complex (Boltgun was designed to deal with Elites so yeah)
10. 'Marksman' ability modifier (It is insane)
11. 'For the Emperor!' ability modifier (it is nice)
12. 'Competitive Urge' (boost is nice but gamble on chance on this one is bad imo)
13. 'Bring it Down!' (Same story as with 'Superiority Complex')
14. 'Rending Strikes' (it is ok but usually you gonna pick something of more value for boltgun)
15. 'Close Quarters Killzone' ability modifier (It is good)
16. 'Onslaught' (not for boltgun, don't use it)
17. 'Skirmisher' (very gimmicky but could be used to great extend)
18. 'Marksmans Focus' keystone (Finesse Strength is great but ultimately its not for boltgun unless you are REALLY good)
19. 'Chink in their Armour' keystone modifier (LMAO don't use it its dogshit, use 'Rending Strikes' if you want passive rending)
20. 'Focus Target!' keystone (always reliable in any vet build, imo the best keystone for havoc)
21. 'Redirect Fire!' keystone modifier (it is nice)

I purposely not included 'Crit Chance' related talents btw

What about your team? Always put team before yourself - this is a team based game after all

[tropic notch]

I hate them…. My team needs to sit back and relax at the respawn anchor

[steep flower]

It is soo much more if you know what you're doing; I understand everyone likes easy solutions but cmon...

[grand perch]

I think that particular brick wall is gone papa

[steep flower]

How so?

Still; it is there to read for everyone

[deep bone]

Mfw people complain about vet being bad but then refuse to use the good weapons on him

veteran is still good at what he does tbh I don’t have an issue with his kit and I have played every class so far I can see with a fair amount of confidence that Vet is still a good class

Especially if your playing with a good team set up

[frank ledge]

Veteran has issues this you cannot deny.

It's like denying Ogryn had issues before his rework

[normal bay]

A TDR boost on exe stance and some tax node removal would do wonders

[grand perch]

Give exec 80% DR like casti

[normal bay]

Castigator stance arbi with a teammates aquila next to him

150% tdr

Other buffs active, which is easy to do, can probs hit 200%

Does that even work? I have no idea

[frank ledge]

Left side keystone and ceab veteran for example don't work well with this game

It's powerful yes but it breaks the flow hard

[tall torrent]

Do u want me to show u some ideas I cooked up for vet

[grand perch]

Sure why not

[tall torrent]

Dm

[odd sparrow]

they do stack but not in that way

if you have one 50% dmg reduction buff you obviously now take 50% dmg less damage. for simplification imagine you get shot for 100 damage, which is reduced to now 50

If you add another 50% damage reduction buff the 50 damage is further reduced by 50% which now makes the total 25 dmg.

this keeps going for each damage reduction buff you add

[tame void]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[deep bone]

100% but he’s still useable

I think people are overreacting a little

Making him out like he’s completely useless

He’s still good

And hopefully fatshark buffs him next patch

Exe stance needs some love

So does infiltrate

[frank ledge]

And crab veteran

[hollow birch]

Compared to the rest of the cast hes glass without the cannon part

Not only that plasgun and dueling sword have upcoming nerfs

[topaz lance]

nah,
The issue is the vet tree, zealot tree is the same.
The Arbeetees tree is so much better that you would have to try really hard to screw up.
You can basically randomly choose things and still be effective in the higher difficulties.
For vet/zealot it's one path only with a few flex nodes.
There's just no comparison.

[steep flower]

I see you use shotgun & chainaxe combo; i can approve

[steep flower]

If only you knew

[elder vessel]

He has a lot of nodes that are borderline redundant

its been how long since these trees came out and Surv is still his only aura

[steep flower]

Determined

[elder vessel]

nah I take determined fuck supression

[steep flower]

Don’t need it for shotty btw

[elder vessel]

idegaf you could not pay me to suffer the suppression mechanic

[steep flower]

Unless agri slug spam then i guess but still

[elder vessel]

but like

Longshot?

Yeah longshot that im taking that garbage

[steep flower]

Do not forget; you’re using ‚Determined’ with Exec stance; thats enough to have a month worthy of a laugh no offence

[tall torrent]

It depends on weapon

Only like 2 guns actually benefit from it majorly

[steep flower]

Boltgun and?

I feel like Ilas & boltpistol to a degree too, infantry autos, vigils?

[elder vessel]

my soul benefits from not having to deal with suppression

actual dog ass mechanic

that makes me question fatsharks competence

[tall torrent]

Yea but only like 2 guns care about it significantly

[steep flower]

It can be nasty but remember; you’re using exec stance with determined

[sudden cedar]

For a non expert on veteran, why is that worth a laugh?

[topaz lance]

exe stance gives immunity

[steep flower]

Exec stance gives suppresion immunity while active

[tall torrent]

Because exe stance gives suppression immunity while it’s active

[sudden cedar]

That is worth a laugh indeed.

[elder vessel]

and I also have it at all times so I never have to deal with it

1 second of suppression

and I automatically dont want to play anymore

[sudden cedar]

Well fair enough.

[elder vessel]

im not doing that give me my determined

[steep flower]

Even tho you will almost always have exec stance on demand if you’re a good vet & snipe specials

[sudden cedar]

Between people using auto-clickers and macros for targeting, i think picking a talent you don't really need in combination with others talents just for the conveniance.. that is pretty mild.

[elder vessel]

I have explained my hatred for the suppression mechanic as much as I need to justify taking determined I do not give a damn

[steep flower]

Mid

[sudden cedar]

You are.. determined.. to avoid suppression. That i can respect.

[elder vessel]

Determined should become base kit for every reject

FUCK suppression

[steep flower]

*vet

[elder vessel]

EVERY

REJECT

FUCK

SUPPRESSION

[sudden cedar]

Okay.

[steep flower]

Nah dosen’t fit; only vet is like profesionally trained to not flinch under fire

So passive sup immunity for vet is nice

Rest? Nah

[tall torrent]

Nah

[steep flower]

Maybe arbys too?

[tall torrent]

Just veteran

[steep flower]

They are trained

[normal bay]

Ogryn getting around suppression by being too dumb too care

[sudden cedar]

Ogryns just shrug it off.

[tall torrent]

There’s a grand total of 1 gun on arb that cares about suppression and for very good reasons

[steep flower]

‚What was that fly buzzing next to me ear?’
‚Those are enemy bullets big man! Take cover!’
‚Nah ‚

[steep flower]

Boltgun?

[tall torrent]

Revolver

[steep flower]

Yeah forgot about revies; they get fked when suppressed

[normal bay]

Looks at tiny box in front of him

Don't think I can SAH

[elder vessel]

how good is field improvisation these days?

[tall torrent]

Not worth

Never have been tbh

[sudden cedar]

100% worth.

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for helping others do their penances

[sudden cedar]

Always take it. Your team will thank you in Havoc.

And everywhere else really.

[grand perch]

I use it on two builds out of thirty, where they serve a greater purpose

One of a vet support challenge build. The other is grenadier

It's just not worth it in any default build imo

[hasty pasture]

How are you non arbites doing since arbites stole your jobs

[elder vessel]

Waiting for the infiltrate buffs

[steady prism]

Field Improvisation is another method of healing when the Medicae is limited.. It is good. I wish they made the passive stronger by not using additional charges when clearing corruption. Then it would be even better

[past stratus]

I have a friend that always asks me to have field improv. So I usually take out kill zone from my build to dump a point there when we play together.

I'm neutral about it, I think it is very useful sometimes but also -1 talent other times

[steep flower]

Can save your game, unironically

[topaz lance]

Here's an idea: replace one of the useless auras with field improv

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower And very much has, as we know.

[tacit sonnet]

field improv would be a banger aura. At least much better than the other 2

[elder vessel]

grenade damage aura

[steep flower]

Holy Emperor you deserve a full course meal for that one

[elder vessel]

or like some benefit for grenades at least for the ones that dont do outright damage

[steep flower]

So only smoke

[elder vessel]

and flashbang

[steep flower]

Flashbang actually does dmg

[elder vessel]

well like

[steep flower]

Marginal but it does

[elder vessel]

2 damage

[steep flower]

Still

[hot crag]

which tac axe version is the best one? like good horde clear and good boss dmg

[elder vessel]

chainaxe

[hot crag]

really

never tried that tbh

[elder vessel]

chainaxe is the easiest weapon to clear H40 with

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[hot crag]

lmao

[topaz lance]

Mk IV

light spam for hordes, heavy spam for single target

[hot crag]

thx

[steep flower]

Try Mk VII

[steep flower]

Its potent; can attest to it

[heavy rover]

Y this guy made me think of Mads Mikkelsen

[elder vessel]

Try it fr

Good time if you dont want to hug meta

[steep flower]

With a correct build it chews bosses & 2 shots crushers on H40 on vet

[elder vessel]

I think i ran into epic cole in auric

baneofthehomeless

[clever hedge]

Is the vet guide updated for the hellbore buffs?

[grand perch]

P much but you don't need maniac perk anymore

I think he recommended unyielding on mk4 instead. Forgot the rest

[elder vessel]

rezzed me in fire

[spare wolf]

It feels like that

Ranged centric builds are all so dead on high lvl havoc games regardless of classes

I'm guessing that this is because there's simply not enough ammo for how many enemy spawns on high havoc games

I hope FS do something about it so we get to see more viable builds on high havoc games other than shouting builds etc etc

[heavy rover]

I've done havoc 38 with helbore, never had to pick up ammo

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W

[elder vessel]

I can confirm this was NOT actually cole

A poser with the same name

[sudden cedar]

People can't get creative on their own it seems.

[tame lodge]

Did he ate shit while playing?

[elder vessel]

once by dog and another by sniper

[grand perch]

I play exec a lot in 40

[tame lodge]

Hmmm

[elder vessel]

and he rezzed me in a fire pit so uhhhhhhhhh

competence in question

[tame lodge]

When qping with people from this server

Cole gets a Debuff that makes him play poorly

But fire Rez

Nah

Ain't cole

[spare wolf]

I assume that you usually ran with pre made team?

[elder vessel]

• his steam username didn't match so definitely not him

[tame lodge]

Epic_Cole or HP Inkjet

[elder vessel]

toaster of doom

[tame lodge]

Lol

[spare wolf]

Just so happens to be the weapon that's not getting overly punished by ammo economy i see

[heavy rover]

it's my fav weapon now

plus the hitbox is more forgiving

[spare wolf]

I guess helbore and lasrifles can still be used

[heavy rover]

stacking up armourbane makes your really helpful to your teammates dealing with bosses and crowd control

[spare wolf]

But other than those

[heavy rover]

yeah, I used to main infantry las before the helbores got buffed. Ran with ghost and headhunter so I was dedicated anti range/gunner/specialist

[spare wolf]

I guess Ogryn rumbler with lucky shot ammo refund works too

The issue is present for other ranged weapons and builds tho

[elder vessel]

tried the vraks autogun again after months

fun gun

dakka

[grand perch]

Not really. I have one regular gaming friend who loves playing smite psyker, which admittedly does make my job a lot easier. The other two are always randoms

[sudden cedar]

Smite.

[steep flower]

No; its because ppl dunno how to micromanage their ammo usage, they don’t scavenge enough & other ppl who are in no need of ammo grab it (like you have 65/85 ammo; i’m sure that big pack/tin was mandatory for ya to pick despite you using your range sporadically)

[normal bay]

Me watching the entire team run past 2 large ammo bags only to throw down the ammo crate 30s later

[steep flower]

It is not me… right…?

[steep flower]

For twin link yes but thats about it; if you start picking up ammo as ogryn and you are not using twin link stubber then;

1. Your team sucks at dealing with certain threats they should be dealing with and not you primarily (example; using GG to kill specials)
2. You don’t have a survivalist vet on your team
3. You use your range too much in situations where it is not required
4. You pick up ammo when you don’t really need a fill, starving others who might need them more

[grand perch]

I'm sorry it's someone else

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Amen

Let us not mention that i have to spam ping a large ammo box for them to finally stroll over and grab the ammo

Despite them saying they need ammo.

[grand perch]

I'll do you one better. When I have an ammo crate and wanna place it, I run in front of the team and place it in the middle of the way do it's really easy to see

Two days ago I do exactly that with everyone yellow or red ammo

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch They'd still ignore it.

[grand perch]

One person runs past it, drops down a ledge, drops his own ammo kit there

[normal bay]

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-not-gif-14585998

[normal bay]

Still not as bad as the people on last wound ignoring medicae

100% mortality rate in my experience

[past stratus]

which of the heavy sword's mark is recommended?

[tame lodge]

9

[past stratus]

Ty

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/kulfaz-blues-brothers-nein-nein-nein-nein-no-gif-26091829

[elder vessel]

chainaxe

[past stratus]

that is probably the last one I'm going to level

[normal bay]

Missing out

Chaxe supremacy

[steep flower]

I had a boi last night who was like that as oggy; i told him to go heal up, no responce and lo & behold; dies a minute later cause shooters & shotgunners (this was end event on archivum too)

[elder vessel]

Play more chaxe

[past stratus]

eventually

[elder vessel]

now

[sudden cedar]

Play the Achlys Combat Axe

[vivid silo]

I cannot fathom how people can stomach playing this game without a Chain Axe in hand

My ears start bleeding if they aren't constantly massaged by the VRRRRRRR

[topaz lance]

chain axe good and chain axe weird

chain axe feels strange to use imo

[vivid silo]

Aye it's a bit different than other weapons

[normal bay]

Just the inverse

Heavies for horde

Lights for single

[elder vessel]

and you have the other mk (bad) which is the reverse of that

Lights for horde heavies for single

[normal bay]

We do not discuss the 12

[unreal nova]

Me when I trust some ppl to carry better so they should take it.

[normal bay]

Theres a time when a decision must be made

And there is just ignoring the medicae

[crimson pebble]

one of the best push attks in game but youre not ready for that conversation

[unreal nova]

I have until death and book. It'll delay.

[tame lodge]

Don't listen to them

Trying to coerce you into playing a weapon with a damaged targets cap of 4

Smh

[unreal nova]

We just need to be louder on it so the cap gets removed, duh.

[elder vessel]

its not bad

its just not meta

[normal bay]

Oh no, mediocre horde clear

The poxwalkers will bully me

[elder vessel]

Upside

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-warhammer40k-warhammer-berserker-gif-16784535

[unreal nova]

Stares at the sword that must not be named.

[normal bay]

YOU CAN PLEASE THE BLOOD GOD-EMPORER

[tame lodge]

It's also hilarious how Chaxe 12 lights have 8 cleave

Few weapons have that high cleave on lights

[slender lion]

Any good autoguns to use in havoc

[elder vessel]

Vraks IAG

Agri Brauto

And idks about Vigilant Autoguns

Shoutout to the Graia Brauto that increases fire rate when braced

[tame lodge]

Vigilants

That's it

[elder vessel]

Which Vigilant

[sudden cedar]

Vigilant Autogun. My beloved.

[elder vessel]

Which Vigilant

[sudden cedar]

Agripinaa or Graia

Columnus is fine at close range, but it forces you into doing bodyshots so that you may land a headshot because the recoil is quite rough

For non-veterans of course

[elder vessel]

Ah Graia my beloved

[faint beacon]

She Vigilant on my Auto till I Agrippina IX

[unreal nova]

Can't you just dodge and counter fire?

[sudden cedar]

Of course

The Columnus has still awful recoil

[tame lodge]

7
The semi auto

Gotta make every shot count

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like the Graia

[elder vessel]

Why does Graia and Agrippina make all the best guns

[tame lodge]

Know what's funny

Agripina is usually tied to high rate of fire

Or was it accatran

Hmmm

No it was accatran

Yeah accatran is tied to high rate of fire

Then accatran shotgun shows up with the worst rof of the shotguns

[unreal nova]

The brands in this game makes no sense to what they do.

Is annoying at times lul.

[sudden cedar]

Graia is the best.

It could have outgrown Mars.

Or no, that was Ryza, my bad.

[unreal nova]

Wat.

[thick rose]

does boltgun work with weapon specialist?

[unreal nova]

By the time you pull it out, you have 2 secs to kill something.

So... make of that as you will.

[past stratus]

the pistol works pretty good

[unreal nova]

Yes, but boltgun usually means bolter.

[steep flower]

I more separate them by color

[past stratus]

oh the spear one

yeah that shit takes forever to pull out

[steep flower]

Blue
Green
Brown

[past stratus]

I think it might take longer than the Helbore now lmao

[unreal nova]

If you mean Bistol, yes. It doesn't have the breakpoints to really do it though but will work.

[steep flower]

It is the longest draw ready weapon now, tied with flamer

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova The Adeptus Mechanicus Forge World of Ryza, famous for its experience in creating Plasma Weapons, was on a path of prosperity in amassing influence and power to rival the primary Forge World of the Adeptus Mechanicus, Mars.

[unreal nova]

Bolter is like... you are better off plasma WS memes than bolter tbh.

[sudden cedar]

And then Heresy happened and everything went down the drain.

[past stratus]

the bolter pistol is so nice for weapon specialist, it is what I'm leveling now and I like it way more than the laspistol

[unreal nova]

Oh, that. I don't read up on those as much lul.

[steep flower]

I need to show you my boltgun build then in action

[unreal nova]

Ah. Then yeah, it works.

[unreal nova]

Look, you can run weird stuff. Most ppl can't. I won't suggest stuff the avg ppl will just suffer trying to run.

[sudden cedar]

As for Agripinaa, it is a Forge World in close proximity to the Eye of Terror and what used to be Cadia. Taking that into account, they would have likely supplied Cadia with Wargear and must have become quite proficient in that.

[bleak oasis]

Power sword blessings and perks?

[unreal nova]

Always power cycler.

[steep flower]

Bruv; it is not a weird build like my shotgun/chainaxe; its what boltgun should be utilized for vet imo

[unreal nova]

WS, with a gun that takes nearly 3 secs to pull out.

[sudden cedar]

If they suffer it means they can learn.

[bleak oasis]

And the rest?

[steep flower]

I don’t use WS on boltgun

[unreal nova]

I don't remember.

[unreal nova]

They were asking about WS!

[past stratus]

I used to use WS with the old helbore, just for the melee part of it

after the buff you can use it pretty comfortably

[steep flower]

Ye but i replied to you stating that Plasma WS is better than using boltgun

[unreal nova]

I made a power sword, used it for mastery, gave up after.

[unreal nova]

Yes, because it is better... even if memes, for WS.

[steep flower]

But i see now the full context

Still; my offer & point stand

[unreal nova]

I still won't suggest it, but well, can't stop ppl.

[cyan breach]

Quick question, what is the dump stat on the dueling sword? Mobility?

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[elder vessel]

pretty sure you could dump damage on the duelling sword and still have a competent weapon

[tame lodge]

But let's not do that

https://tenor.com/view/happy-beach-steam-emoji-sunset-gif-3837748048620888892

[heavy rover]

it would be funny tho

[bleak oasis]

Power cycler + Slaughterer and Maniac/Unyielding on Power Sword sound about right?

[unreal nova]

Cleave damage or mobility.

[unreal nova]

You mean CLEAVE damage.

[grand perch]

Cycler + bromentum, carapace and elite damage

[elder vessel]

you know what I mean

[cyan breach]

Okay, cool, I'll pick this up then

Followup question, what's the meta for the plasma gun these days? I'm jumping back in after like a year off

[tame lodge]

Flak Unarmored

Gets Hot Rising Heat

Dump wise

Uh

@tired egret

[cyan breach]

lol, got it

[elder vessel]

I like my shotgun

[serene bough]

juicy

shotgunner clusters are always my favorite to dispatch

[nimble jay]

I am genuinely considering refunding this game, and buying something simmilar, like DRG.

[tame lodge]

No dodge no sprinting no nothing

Bro just said

It's shotgunning time

[harsh geyser]

I mean just do it, no need to announce it lol

[unreal nova]

I mean, if you hate the issues, might be worth it then. Come back when they hit final major update or so maybe.

[nimble jay]

I can't even make a character.

I'm really close to losing my shit over this.

[unreal nova]

How long have you waited on the log in screen?

[nimble jay]

The clearance is processed, the screen turns black, there are some sounds of flames (I think) in the background, and then it shuts off.

Its all because of this fucking shader cache.

When I have it, it displays an error.

I delete the cache, and the game crashes.

[harsh geyser]

What the spec of your computer?

[nimble jay]

As in?

[barren nimbus]

The mark 12 is the best chain axe right

[harsh geyser]

What’s your cpu gpu, do you have enough space in whatever drive darktide is running on

[nimble jay]

I do have the space.

Though, the graphics are way worse off.

Since its:

1. An older computer.
2. Not game focused computer.

[harsh geyser]

Darktide is very GPU intensive

[nimble jay]

Is DRG better in that regard?

[harsh geyser]

It’s running on a modified unity engine

So yeah

[barren nimbus]

Deep Rock Galactic is pretty stale compared to darktide

Game is like the happy meal darktide

[nimble jay]

That's because its not the same setting.

Everything is happy meal compared to 40k.

[barren nimbus]

Mostly talking about replayability. DRG is very good but it’s maximum difficulty is like darktides medium difficulty

[nimble jay]

DRG is a Votann game.

[barren nimbus]

Have you updated your drivers? What cpu and gpu do you have

[nimble jay]

They have good tech.

[unreal nova]

Just give us full specs, really.

[barren nimbus]

I think you can customize your graphics settings from the main menu. I would recommend turning everything to low before you log in

Optionally there are potatoe settings through mods if you are running on an uber shit pc

[elder vessel]

You want the Mk4

the normal one

the mk 12 isnt very good compared to 4, and moreover doesn't feel quite right

Last time I used it I felt like I was slapping meat around with a club rather than ripping through flesh with a chainsaw

[barren nimbus]

Really? It has LA cleaves and heavy strike downs which feels very good in the testing range. The mark 4 is really wack

[elder vessel]

The Mk4 is the reverse

Light strike downs and heavy cleaves

The setup pretty much everyone goes for is Flakiac/headtaker+slaughterer

Heavy away at crowds and mix in push attacks

light away at armored boys

[barren nimbus]

What do you special? Someone gave me the bleed special build and I think thats why I hated it

Feels like absolute ass

[elder vessel]

special is purely optional, but ig you could special crushers and finish the job with lights

[barren nimbus]

Is the lucius the best helbore?

[elder vessel]

idk

[barren nimbus]

I really want to try the cleave blessing but its hard to get it on

[tame lodge]

All Helbores are Lucius

So yeah

[barren nimbus]

They are lmfao

Im using the mk 4

I remember you used to want the faster firing one because it pulled out faster or something

[nimble jay]

Kriegers made their lasguns durable, and hard hitting.

And also due to their inspiration, I don't think that rapid fire was intended for the design.

[barren nimbus]

I’ve had the krieger outfits for so long but never really wore them

[tame lodge]

The "best" one rn is mk3a

Mk4 still the hardest hitting weapon in the game though

[barren nimbus]

Is that with havoc in mind? I understand the differences but breakpoints are weird in havoc

Is the cleave blessing good? It seems nice, surgical is kind of meh with faster fire rate

[nimble jay]

They decrease your surviving chances, so that's probably smart.

[heavy rover]

personally I run the mk iiia helbore with surgical and armourbane, and I've done havoc 30's with no issues on ammo. I don't even pick up ammo unless I'm restocking after I died

I've yet to try it with the cleave from hotshot, though my preference is for brittleness to help the rest of the team

[barren nimbus]

They should give the helbore and laspistol some innate cleave to really make them great. I ran the laspistol one time and it was actually really fun with ghost

[heavy rover]

yeah, laspistol with ghost was fun

then the helbore buff came and I dropped everything for the helbores

[midnight totem]

I think

Executioner stance or marksman focus nodes

Should give a bit of cleave

[tame lodge]

It does have 3 cleave

[midnight totem]

Marksman focus nodes give cleave

[tame lodge]

Which is already above average for most weapons

[viral nacelle]

Does vet have a havoc viable infantry las gun build now? I had a guy doing one in an h36 and it honestly was goated and he did great

I didn’t have time to steal it afterwards

[faint beacon]

I mean kinda?

[heavy rover]

I'm assuming the infantry las was running Ghost and Headhunter

[faint beacon]

It’s not gonna hit breakpoints

[heavy rover]

I used to run infantry las on havoc 30's

[viral nacelle]

Breakpoints are Darktide astrology 🙏

[barren nimbus]

I think the las pistol actually performs better

[viral nacelle]

I just want to shooty dooty with me flashlight

But at comically high levels of difficulty

[faint beacon]

Las pistol does cause it’s more mobile

However the Infantry is pretty decent

More like a moral choice

[viral nacelle]

If you guys were gonna build an infantry las vet build with ammo trait, shout and I think frags what would you do?

Again, high havoc so no auric mael business

[barren nimbus]

you take the same perks you always take for everything

[viral nacelle]

Assume I play vet very rarely and suck at building it

I am a psyker melee maniac I don’t know how to cadia

[elder vessel]

shout frag and surv

easy

[viral nacelle]

Building it tho

[elder vessel]

if youre speaking on meta

be based tho

go infiltrate

[viral nacelle]

I am speaking specifically an infantry las h40 shout build

[barren nimbus]

Allow your teammates to take all the damage heheh

[elder vessel]

and "infiltrate" them

[faint beacon]

Probably focus on FT keystone, matters if you’re running Survivalist or not with Shocktrooper

And I’d personally take Tac Axe

You could do PS but I find movement to be my savior on H40 Instead

[tame lodge]

"I'm here to shoot at everything that moves"

[steep flower]

Rending Strikes > Bring It Down!

[elder vessel]

Rending strikes + bring it down

[tame lodge]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Rending is assisting with Flak on ILAS

that and if they’re taking Taxe it helps

So I see the reasoning

[knotty veldt]

Excluding the duelling sword, after the update what melee weps are best on vet? I love the power sword but wanna try something else out since stuff got changed anything worth trying?

[tame lodge]

Power Sword

Rashad Axe

Knife 6

Heavy Sword 9

[faint beacon]

Excluding from High havoc

[tame lodge]

Didn't test the tactical axe nor the Smaul nor the Dclaw post buff

No actually

I tested the Dclaw

Still shit

[sudden cedar]

What a surprise

[barren nimbus]

I feel like the ogryn perk is better than the las ammo perk for non recon builds

[faint beacon]

It’s the same shenanigans but better

[tame lodge]

Yeah lasgun is pretty ammo efficient

[faint beacon]

Taxe 4 HT + Deci

[barren nimbus]

How do you guys feel about the middle top tree compared to right? I don’t really care about the swap speed for most weapons

[tame lodge]

You can run surv without Shock trooper

And vice versa

However
I came here to shoot this Lasgun

I'm going to fire mah laser

[barren nimbus]

I was also told this perk is ass, is that true idk

[tame lodge]

No

[narrow frost]

Nothing got changed for melee in a long time

[barren nimbus]

Is that the targeted by melee attacks?

[tame lodge]

It would be the other

[knotty veldt]

tac axe got a buff didnt it?

[tame lodge]

Catch A Breath is miles better than Get Back In The Fight

[knotty veldt]

and the devils claw iirc

[tame lodge]

And you need to get hit/block a melee attack for it to go offline

[narrow frost]

That's true, forgot. Both still are good taxe was already amazing

[tame lodge]

No, the highlighted one is Catch A Breath

[barren nimbus]

I’ll go back to it then. Someone credible told me it sucked

[knotty veldt]

might try that out, whats a good blessing/perk setup for it?

[unreal nova]

Middle is okay. Less worth it than right though unless you hard specialise into killing elite and specials. O4B will keep you alive on hordes of only chaff and such.

[tame lodge]

Still shit

[faint beacon]

It’s good

[narrow frost]

Mk 7, dump mobility. Flak unarmored, brutal momentum, head taker. Push attack then heavy for horde clear. Light spam for cara/unyield

[faint beacon]

Very good

It’s just right side is a lot more generalist

[unreal nova]

It's just more specialised as stated.

[barren nimbus]

I wonder if middle got micro buffed by the dog being a person. Would have more uptime

[knotty veldt]

Thats what i was wondering mostly, iirc one of the big changes was the changed the base move speed of the axe to be more in line with stuff like the knife so wouldnt keeping mobility maxed be a good idea so you can be zippy fast with it?

[elder vessel]

honorable mention to the chainaxe

[unreal nova]

Maybe. I dunno if there's a cap and such.

[barren nimbus]

I personally don’t really give a shit about weapon swap speed but I’m gonna go back to right on my helbore build

[narrow frost]

Every other stat affects damage. And taxe didnt even need the speed buffs, it's dodges we're already knife like

[faint beacon]

If you steal the special or elite being mauled technically yes

[unreal nova]

It's honestly how you play. Middle specialises in killing specials and elites, but you might suffer against massive hordes of chaff.

[narrow frost]

Gale you saw my dog video?

[faint beacon]

Yeah I saw

[narrow frost]

It only took an hour and I full cleared.....

[faint beacon]

You saw my comment

Lmao

[narrow frost]

This needs to be patched

[faint beacon]

Why do you think I don’t like dog

[barren nimbus]

I played with 3 arbites and me as veteran this morning and I literally had nothing to offer my team besides voc

[unreal nova]

I think he meant the coherency TDR.

[faint beacon]

I genuinely feel like it’s cheating at times

[barren nimbus]

The dogs killed everything I was supposed to

[elder vessel]

You used pushes and charges faker

[narrow frost]

It's exploiting

[elder vessel]

fakey fake

fakeeeeee

[unreal nova]

And survivalist?

[faint beacon]

Certified Arby Moment

It’s why I’ve been leaning off the class even though I do like it’s playstyle concept

[narrow frost]

But it's not like you need dog to win

[faint beacon]

I don’t want to carry it’s bad habits

[narrow frost]

Both of us were non dog

[faint beacon]

Skcrusher right

[narrow frost]

Both crusher

Both agri combat shotgun

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher with it obviously

[narrow frost]

Yes

[faint beacon]

I’ve considered doing Agni Smaul

Not the Muni III

[barren nimbus]

12 bullets per minute pogchamp

Goated passive

[unreal nova]

Still ammo for the ammo hungwy lot.

[barren nimbus]

I feel like veteran is so low played people are fully adapted to never having it compared to old havoc

[tame lodge]

Wish Efficiency cool down was lower

4 secs is crazy

[unreal nova]

Seriously, I saw 2 constanly spamming it after we got a C&K Vet.

They were mad the vet took the 5% movespeed.

[barren nimbus]

Like I played with 2 arbites a flame zealot and an ogryn and nobody had an issue

Tbf the ogryn just autoclicked but still

[unreal nova]

Me. If I used my gun, it's because I heard a trapper and I don't care, I will shoot 3 times if it ensures the bitch is ded.

[nimble jay]

Darktide not working, DRG working like a charm.

[barren nimbus]

DRG also has minecraft graphics

[narrow frost]

DRG also has drawfs

[barren nimbus]

Minimize ogryn height

[narrow frost]

DRG also has rocks

And stones

[unreal nova]

Look, you can swing a pickaxe and kill things with it, just like Oggy gameplay, yes?

[elder vessel]

Still a mile more impactful than +5% move speed

[barren nimbus]

Is there a mod that can isolate dog damage on stats yet? I honestly want to know how much the dog is doing in a 40 minute game

[tame lodge]

Drawfs 😭

[barren nimbus]

5% damage is op bro

(Half of what every other class gets)

[unreal nova]

Eh, I don't care either way. I barely use my gun except as a statstick for dog boom. MS just lets me stay with the vet.

Since built like a brick wall for the most part.

[faint beacon]

Mushroom

[unreal nova]

We're rich!

[faint beacon]

Mushroom

[tropic notch]

Mushroom

[deep bone]

What should I run with Helbore Shock Trooper or determined?

Suppression immunity sounds nice

[tame lodge]

Trooper

[deep bone]

Fair enough

[grand perch]

it very much need the speed buffs because having a small weapon like this and not be fast was silly AF

[tame lodge]

Trooper

It's already immune

[deep bone]

I’m trying Tac Axe rn

Never used it before

[tame lodge]

Technically immune adjacent

[deep bone]

What Tac Axe should I use?

[tame lodge]

None

2 or 7

People often recommend 7

[barren nimbus]

I actually had fun leveling tac axe this patch but I also think it’s because they made normal missions super easy

Because I even had fun using the mini uzi

[hollow ibex]

Don’t sleep on 4 either

The horde clear is still mid but the single target fucks

[topaz lance]

I like IV the most actually

very easy to use

[hollow ibex]

Yah basically a mini Rashad in terms of moveset

[solar bone]

They should buff plasma gun. After using new exterminator shotgun on arby plasma feels k8nd of medicore.

[hollow ibex]

Horde clear is much worse than Rashad but single rather feels about the same

[tame lodge]

Don't know if rage bait or serious

So I just going to post confused cat gif

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-huh-confused-meme-gif-3282660700962977407

[torn gorge]

probably a leveling experience

[gaunt hare]

why don’t the pcs carry an amount of reserve ammo proportional to the magazine size for the big boltgun, are they stupid?

[solar bone]

Not trying to bait. Genuinely feel plasma could use some attention. New shotgun can one ore two shots entire packs in a line. Plasma is good to and has more ammo it just feels like of the two exterminator easier to use and very effective with ease of use. Two shooting a crusher with a shotgun just made me feel like plasma desevered more.

[strange crow]

I think maybe other things could use a buff before plasma

[gaunt hare]

i mean to be fair, pre nerf plasma was just deleting everything but bosses with its primary and fs finally made it the big risk big reward weapon they were trying to have it be

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t mind a Vigil buff 👉👈

[solar bone]

I think the class as a whole could use some attention, but saying that might be annoying so people I guess in retrospect.

[atomic void]

brother the new shotguns do not the cleave plasma has

[solar bone]

No you're right. But for some reason you can still kill 5-6 gunners in a line no issue

[atomic void]

plasma is on the chop chop list for nerfs not the other way around

[tame lodge]

Can't wait for the plasma cleave nerf so I can Perma complain about it on the Forum

[gaunt hare]

didn’t they already nerf it though?

like i’m pretty sure the arbites update reduced primary fire cleave from 100 to 10

[atomic void]

they did not nerf anything on vet

[gaunt hare]

oh

[atomic void]

that was a draft not meant to be published

[torn gorge]

[narrow frost]

plasma hasnt been changed since like crafting update

[atomic void]

ive seen an alarming amount of people thinking ds4 and plasma got nerfed 💀

some even called me a shill when i said read patch notes

[tame lodge]

Didn't happen yet

But that would be crazy

[gaunt hare]

thanks for clarifying

[tame lodge]

I know 100 is too much

But 10 is shit

Not even that

Plasma gun M1 and M2 only share 1 attack template

The way it works

[torn gorge]

you could cleave 6 poxwalkers with that profile

such value

[tame lodge]

Is that M1 would have only half of 10

So around 5

[atomic void]

they wanna make people use the charged for big dmg and not lights

would become like sm2 heavy plasma

which is unironically peak

[tame lodge]

Yeah I don't mind the whole damage part

I do mind the cleave

[atomic void]

u shoot a hole in the ground and a big kaboom kills 10 elites

[tame lodge]

I'm a cleave addict

[atomic void]

if they're gonna nerf the cleave do it like this

make it an aoe weapon

[torn gorge]

difference is that DT plasma is not about radial aoe

[atomic void]

u charge the shot and nuke an area

[solar bone]

They should make the charge more worth than the unchanged fire then

[torn gorge]

but overpenetration instead

[gaunt hare]

surprised the charge doesn’t have an aoe explosion

[atomic void]

that would make it turbo broken

the light spam already deleted entire rooms

[torn gorge]

and if you make a bimodal fire weapon you risk invading design space for other guns

[atomic void]

hot take they shouldnt even think about nerfing it, not now at least cause ogryn and arbite exist

save it for later

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-flint-and-steel-gif-4491320584761369279

[torn gorge]

you are just asking to change plasma current identity/design

[tame lodge]

Although some changes to M2 are welcome

[atomic void]

save the nerf for when they eventually touch up vet tree and make the charged worthwhile

[atomic void]

i mean if that draft is what they think they dont want u to be spamming that m1

they want u to charge

so they're indeed changing the identity to match their vision

[torn gorge]

maybe in a world where the overpenetration role is covered by long las and melta gun at different ranges?

[tame lodge]

They even reduced the amount of ammo used on m2 on that draft

[atomic void]

real question is why not just make another mark?

[gaunt hare]

i’m still waiting for my volley gun and volley las

[torn gorge]

but otherwise turning the plasma into a grenade launcher would only block the addition of a future grenade launcher

as for other marks powercreep is a thing

[barren nimbus]

Veteran has been too good for too long. It’s time these meta chasing veterans get brought down a peg

[tame lodge]

Like Zarona vs Agripina revolver

One is generalist, the other is unyielding beat down

[solar bone]

Idk. Its the only gun I'm aware of that can outright kill you for misusing it. You manage heat and ammo. If any weapon deserves to be a bit strong I'm alright with it being there. What I ahould have said if they wanted ppl to charge it more they should balance it so the charge is better, and maybe that is what they intend with the cleave?

[torn gorge]

and how much has agripinaa been used in comparison of zarona?

[solar bone]

It just seems like a plasma gun in 40k should be strong to me is all

And it is

[barren nimbus]

Where is my hotshot lasgun

[solar bone]

Just probably not in the way I think it should be

[atomic void]

agrippina is pretty popular now, at least i see a lot of people raving about it here

[gaunt hare]

i mean psyker’s staves can kill you from misuse too

[gaunt hare]

wait really?

[solar bone]

That's why I said gun

[atomic void]

yeah the shotguns are good post buffs

agri shotgun has silly boss dmg

no sorry, zerona

[solar bone]

Pyskers are their own little microcosm of kill yourself.

[torn gorge]

we are talking about revolvers though

[barren nimbus]

Their breakpoints in havoc 40 are a little tough to work with but the combat shotgun is insane in auric

[gaunt hare]

but we’re talking about cowboy main guns not shotties

[torn gorge]

[atomic void]

they're not really balancing weapons around havoc so i kinda exclude that from my mind

[solar bone]

This but for like so many guns.

[torn gorge]

and the downward trend in popularity of zarona revolver is solely due unfavourable breakpoints in havoc

melee vet with zarona still best vet in auric

[atomic void]

nvm i thought we're talking about shotties lmao
These names are the same

[barren nimbus]

People keep saying that but ogryn was clearly balanced around havoc because ogryn post buff was one of the strongest auric classes

[atomic void]

ogryn is new

with new balancing

same with the cops

the rest of the weapons on all humans were balanced waaaaaaaaay pre havoc

and is meant to be the cbt mode that pushes things to extreme

[barren nimbus]

Yeah I get that. It’s a shame we need to wait a year to go over veteran guns

[atomic void]

yeah that part is messed up

its ok they'll add heavy stubbers and melta gun trust

[solar bone]

Im probably about to get eaten alive for saying this but I like the way arby tree works in comparison to vet. I kind of hope they revisit vet again.

[atomic void]

nah its a great tree

[barren nimbus]

Veteran is easily the most fun class but the fun is yanked out from under you because every gun is terrible and literally just needs someone to click the up arrow on the damage number

[atomic void]

the class being overtuned is one thing

but the tree is great

[tame lodge]

One of the funny thing about arby

[atomic void]

u can mix and match freely

very little tax nodes

[tame lodge]

Is the random 25 toughness talent

[atomic void]

its just havoc

[barren nimbus]

The only tax is a top tier talent

[atomic void]

a lot of these guns shred in auric

havoc just makes most builds not work optimally

[barren nimbus]

Yeah true. I only play havoc

[low oar]

Two of them lol
Both forced

[atomic void]

there you go

[tame lodge]

Thought FS stopped putting toughness nodes on the tree

[atomic void]

the way i see it, classes that got reworked/added post havoc are designed to hang in havoc without hardcore minmaxxing
havoc was intorduced to challenge the best players and requires either top tier skills or top tier min maxing so that makes a lot of builds harder to work with on pre update classes

[elder vessel]

Havoc was a mistake

[solar bone]

I play alot of zealot and heard it's getting a rework as well. Kind of scared to see where it goes as it still feels really powerful to me. That being said it's a definitively narrow in that power so maybe the rework will fix some of all the builds being so samey

[faint beacon]

Killing the messenger not the man

Havoc wasn’t a mistake, BALANCING AROUND IT is

[elder vessel]

The messenger is an accomplice to the crime

[faint beacon]

Havoc is a blessing to people looking to learn or want a very difficult challenge

[barren nimbus]

Tbh I actually wish more classes were balanced like veteran. This game will be very fucking boring very fast if Arbites is the new standard. You genuinely have to be fully quadriplegic to die in auric as an Ogryn, and we all see it in havoc now, these people just top frag literally doing nothing running a macro on their bully mace in havoc, never dying

[faint beacon]

I don’t like

That they’re balancing classes around it now

It was never meant to happen

[atomic void]

i can see why they're doing it tbh, pretty much all their hardcore base moved to it and maybe they wanted to let them play with more than 1 build all the time but it also opened a can of worms

[faint beacon]

H40 was supposed to be a fun challenge and accomplishment for the dedicated

[atomic void]

you will quit the game when new vet update drops and bro is as cracked then

[faint beacon]

Well little Timmy can play it and he cries if he can’t complete it

[torn gorge]

tbh

could be solved by either adding 1 more difficulty

[sleek garden]

theres so many shotguns right now because of arbiter and ogryn kickback i dont feel like bringing one

[torn gorge]

or further juice auric

[sleek garden]

otherwise id be bringing in the zarona shotgun for testing in auric

[barren nimbus]

I would have no issue whatsoever with current veteran if arbites and ogryn weren't just literal doomslayers while I'm a reject

[atomic void]

add havoc 30 as difficulty 6

boom

[sleek garden]

this is the truest nuke dropped

ogryns playstyle right now is literally just spam light

and hes unkillable

[atomic void]

i mean people were asking for a zealot/vet rework before both got added
even i you're fine with the power level, the differnce in viable builds is night and day

[solar bone]

I think if they buff the classes to be to strong they'll just turn the difficulty dial up and then were stuck in the cycle of obese fish. Nerbuffing.

[atomic void]

actually viable builds is not the right word, build variety is

[torn gorge]

you are just conflating what is easy/accessible to what has the highest ceiling tbh

[atomic void]

since anything is viable if you're good

[faint beacon]

Pretty much? Just minus the Health and Toughness drawbacks actually havoc has

[torn gorge]

reason why people think arbites is giga op

[sleek garden]

the highest skill ceiling is bring a pickaxe and spam lights until you meet a monstrosity

[faint beacon]

That’s what made Havoc, Havoc and the fire rate buffs

[sleek garden]

then its charge heavy and kill it in two swings

be serious

[frank basin]

Hello dagon

[barren nimbus]

Current veteran had strengths, and it has weaknesses. That is good class design and balance, it also encourages you to play different classes. Ogryn and Arbites have no weaknesses, and therefore theres no reason to get off them besides golden toughness

[torn gorge]

truth of the matter is nowhere near level of ogryns or other focused/established builds for havoc but the accessibility/forgiveness of the class make you think its on the same level

[atomic void]

current veteran is also shout spam and you will be pressed to find people playing stealth or exec stance lets be real
people been asking for a tree rework that makes build variety real for ages

on both vet and zealot

now u can do that without juciing tf out of things like ogryn tho

[faint beacon]

Don’t let Zealot chat see that take

They’ll skin you for it

[barren nimbus]

You already said it, I like reworks and build variety, but yeah the power level will overall lower the games fun

[atomic void]

ill burn them with my flamer

[barren nimbus]

I also personally like shout spam because it benefits my team

[faint beacon]

Vet with the most taxed tree in the game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546727346355568652/1296950998295777300/giphy.gif

[atomic void]

i just want them to make exec stance better defensively

so i see more vets with it on my team

[barren nimbus]

So castigators

[atomic void]

a proper exec stance vet is a godsend

[atomic void]

casig cant even touch a good exec stance player in terms of dmg output, it just has stupid dmg reduction

[low oar]

I honestly think the 5 sec change to survivalist was one of the worst changes

[faint beacon]

Ranged DR talents for vet would be cool imo

[torn gorge]

[barren nimbus]

The only time Ive ever seen anyone with it they were ass cheeks and died immedietely (what absolutely zero toughness regen does to a darktide character)

[faint beacon]

So you don’t get as punished in engaging in what vet should be doing

But get punished if you aren’t smart in melee

[atomic void]

thats what i mean defensivly, just make it so u dont insta fold while you're using it

[faint beacon]

Aka

[low oar]

Toughness Regen for just shooting 😎

[torn gorge]

so vet year 1?

[atomic void]

yesss

[faint beacon]

Gun fights? You can take a beating

[torn gorge]

and everyone complaining how strong vet was compared to the rest?

[barren nimbus]

I would honestly just want veteran to have immunity to supression

[faint beacon]

Poxwalker hitting you

[torn gorge]

[faint beacon]

Fold like a deck of cards

[barren nimbus]

I think thematically it would ne huge

[atomic void]

they could make this his class unique

[elder vessel]

:/

[atomic void]

instead of fkn

shoot from cover

[barren nimbus]

LMAO

[faint beacon]

That should be a bonus

[atomic void]

spotted the freak

[faint beacon]

It does nothing btw

Lmao

[barren nimbus]

let me poke out of cover in havoc 40

broken passive

[atomic void]

cant evne use it in auric

shit was made for malice

[barren nimbus]

does it only go up or can you siege side lean?

Ive played veteran for like 100 hours and Ive used it once

[elder vessel]

everyone should be suppression immune because suppression on players is a fuckass mechanic that kills the fun anybody was having

[barren nimbus]

I think its somewhat important for other classes to have it purely so veteran can be the proper shooter

suggesting veteran was immune

[faint beacon]

No

Only above cover

[elder vessel]

I think all the classes should be able to have fun without getting cucked by shooters

[barren nimbus]

But then why play veteran, essentially

[faint beacon]

I’ll be dead serious I don’t think it really does much aside of assist with recoil

And that’s it

[atomic void]

tbf supression is a none issue majority of the time

[faint beacon]

Determined is a Tax node solely made to fuck over the humble ILAS user

And I will not take any other opinions

[elder vessel]

when it is an issue I fucki g despise it

[atomic void]

is that 25% supression node

[barren nimbus]

What I love is being stunlocked by a gunner

[elder vessel]

Supression immunity node

[faint beacon]

Suppression immunity

[atomic void]

oh

yeah

literally just dodge slide

or shoot them?

[low oar]

Ex stance should probably get toughness resistance during it again
Just not to the ridiculous degree during launch

[barren nimbus]

Bro do not give me a supression immunity tax, just make veteran immune to sepression

[elder vessel]

I always take because you have heard my opinions on supression

[faint beacon]

You literally cannot aim with ILAS if you don’t have determined

It’s the most effected by suppressed

[low oar]

Also, infiltrate should have some of the nodes just baked into it without having to pick up more
It's ridiculous how much you have to spend to make it viable

[elder vessel]

make the 30% damage node innate and make it last longer

[atomic void]

i probably used that weapon once or twice

[low oar]

Not even good
Just usable

[atomic void]

so i wouldnt know but damn

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s old

Very old

[rose reef]

any of the infantry autoguns worth it?

[low oar]

What's ILAS?

Infantry lasguns?

[atomic void]

infantry las gun

[solar bone]

Suppression immunity for a vet kind of makes sense tbh. From some of the lore it doesnt seem to crazy for a vet to be used to having millions of guns fire near around or in their direction all at once.

[atomic void]

its the weapon of all time

[tropic notch]

Galeeeeee

[rose reef]

i wanna use one of these thigns but not sure how viable it is

[low oar]

Ah.
I remember kanteral MK12 days at launch
Although, I find the MGIV funny more than anything if you have an autoclicker

[barren nimbus]

40k game developers making the lasgun and chainsword the most dog shit weapons known to human kind

[elder vessel]

thats the best one

[tropic notch]

Can I see you vigilant auto build?

[elder vessel]

Dakka

its got a lotta raw deeps

[rose reef]

always wanted to use one so might just buy this off melk

and change the blessings

[atomic void]

yeah this is the funny part about this game
at least bolter and plasma are good

[faint beacon]

When I’m home

[low oar]

MGIV with an autoclicker is pretty much the discount recon lasgun build

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546727346355568652/1296950998295777300/giphy.gif

[atomic void]

evis was also cucked before they removed the cap

[rose reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ripbozo-packwatch-rip-bozo-pack-watch-smoking-smoke-gif-25173473

[barren nimbus]

it's so funny how the bolt rifle in sm2 is terrible too

[low oar]

It's gotten a ton of buffs since launch to my knowledge

[rose reef]

bolt rifle is great

wym

especially with all the perks in it

[atomic void]

bolter are good in sm2 now

took them few months tho

[past stratus]

I think Veteran should have cool teamwork feats and abilities since the whole class theme is being a Guardsmen from the Astra Militarum

[rose reef]

true

[atomic void]

thing is they cant make them more destructive without breaking the game

[barren nimbus]

isnt it the worst tactical gun I thought

[atomic void]

that would be auto bolter

and even that is decent now

bolters across the board are good

[rose reef]

auto bolter poor but still alright

yeah all of them are worth leveling tbh

heavy bolter is nuts

[atomic void]

but they cant be as destructive as darktide version cause elites literally chill out in the distance for few seconds before they do anything

u would literally

just kill them all

if we could kill them the same way we kill crushers

[rose reef]

TRUE if everything was realistic though those tyranids would be even worse to deal with

[low oar]

Vet should be able to call in leman russ or artillery support

[rose reef]

so ill take it

where would you even get that in a hive city

[atomic void]

if u play siege mode on normal, they have diff 3 health pools and they get SHREDDED

it feels really good

but siege also spawns billion of them

its honestly really fun

[rose reef]

siege is amazing

[atomic void]

but also really easy cause sm2 is easy with low health pools

[rose reef]

best pve addition

[low oar]

I dunno
The comms Plex mission is the same question
How the fuck do we use a satellite dish underground

[gaunt hare]

very strong dish

[rose reef]

cooms plex is throne side though right? we''re not underground entirely

[barren nimbus]

I wish it performed better. I get like 30fps on wave 11

makes the game unfun

[rose reef]

damn whats ur pc

[low oar]

You can see buildings hanging from the roof lol

[barren nimbus]

im cpu bound on every game with a 5600x\

3070

[rose reef]

you can but my point is we're many levels up and getting a signal through all that seems way more probably than if we were in whats what one area super deep in? thats like a that bog in ds1

lol

[atomic void]

sm2 was straight up not made to handle big hordes and u can tell with siege
the game has AAA tier graphics and stuff going on

[rose reef]

mfw i reply to the wrong person

[atomic void]

there's a reason why operations never had insane spawns

[rose reef]

damn i was going to play but now i might play space marine

[barren nimbus]

it actually pisses me off you cant potato the game

[atomic void]

yeah you cant

[rose reef]

but that games so wonky im pretty sure i would have to restart my pc for optimal preformance on it before playing and launch only it before everything else

[atomic void]

dw even on better cpus your perf will eat shit

[deep bone]

I would love to play either but my tv just died

[atomic void]

sm2 having hordes is like trying to make a single player AAA game spawn billion mobs

game looks too good for its own good

[barren nimbus]

Ive been headcasing with darktide because my game struggles sometimes in havoc 40

but theres again not much you can do

[atomic void]

darktide on damnation and darktide on anything higher is like an entirely different game is swear

the engine breaks

all these silent bursters trappers ect are the engine not being able to handle 1 billion things

[barren nimbus]

I genuinely feel baited by the gaming community at large, everyone rants about how a gpu is important and I've literally never even used my gpu in any game

every game, every time, is cpu throttled

[atomic void]

gpus are important obviously but cpu bottlenecks are what breaks games yeah

its why 3dx cpus got so popular

[rose reef]

how can a crusher, an ogryn in full armor with cement cinderblocks for weapons

be so quiet....

never again will i question the stealth skill of the raven guards

[sleek garden]

why do arbites move so crazy fast

im playing veteran and trying to do the objectives and my teammates fly by drop off the objective and speed away and im trying to battle 3 maulers with a devils claw

[barren nimbus]

Arbites are as slow as psykurs

I think they may have the best stam regen though

veteran has the worst (I think)

[tall torrent]

not quite

[torn gorge]

[hollow ibex]

By far it’s not even funny

[mighty anvil]

I outran a psyker lol

[hearty turtle]

@tall torrent what's the dump and perks for recon?

[mighty anvil]

Vet needs some serious buffs or im gonna stay an Arbites main

[barren nimbus]

does that include their weapons? arbites feel super slow

[tall torrent]

arb has mostly weapons that don't have high +sprint bonus
usually the fastest u can run with is boltpistol at +0.6m/s

arb does however have very good +move speed talents and u can pretty easily sustain +10~20% move speed

[mighty anvil]

Vet should get another CC option

[hearty turtle]

What mark would you say is best?

[mighty anvil]

Maybe like a flashlight attachment that stuns enemies

[tall torrent]

VIc

[hearty turtle]

Dump stat?

Collateral or mobility?

[tall torrent]

collat

doesn't matter in vast majority of cases

anything it would stagger from sustained shooting, ur likelier to kill before stagger goes off

[past stratus]

what impresses me the most in arbites is their weapon draw speed, I've been watching chocoB spam havoc 40 with it and the speed he can draw the shotgun and snipe enemies far away with it is insane to me

[tall torrent]

nah it's not that fast

fastest is still revolver

0.2s draw to fire

[elder vessel]

can we appreciate how cool the autoguns are in this game

[hearty turtle]

Why is one of the perks for plasma unarmored? And what's the best stats for it?

[barren nimbus]

Guys I dont think Im a chainaxe fan

[barren nimbus]

headshots

[elder vessel]

for being bog standard machine guns they are really 40k flaired

[tame lodge]

1 shot headshot dreg gunner

Stat wise

Uh

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

If you can't afford that

[barren nimbus]

you move so fucking flow charging heavies

[tame lodge]

A charge dump will be fine

[elder vessel]

the fucking

the gif

at the end

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[tame lodge]

Breakpoints inclusion huh

[tall torrent]

ya

simplified breakpoint section tremendously

[barren nimbus]

lets try havoc 30 chain axe

training wheels arc time

[elder vessel]

OH NO

[elder vessel]

ended quickly thank god

[neon current]

hold on a fuckin second, electro is melee dmg aye?

think I figured out why I'm only getting 10% crit with mauls / shield mauls

it's counting the electro ticks as well

[safe raptor]

what's the dump stat on duelling sword? cleave or mobility

[neon current]

either

it's so mobile 60 or 80 won't make much of a diff