veteran-class

[hardy comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yx7gdPyB0

[sonic kayak]

When your traditional officer is a nepo baby, sure

[deep bone]

lol

[sonic kayak]

On the other hand, guardsmen on average easily stop any military our planet has today

[deep bone]

The Guard aren’t just suicide soldiers

[sonic kayak]

They are exceptionally good fighters with weapons that we can't even think to use, the problem is they are wasted

[deep bone]

They are effective when you give them the correct field support much like any army

[sonic kayak]

Or leave them to their own devices since they are very self-sufficient, like say, the Iron Guard or Catachans

[hardy comet]

"hey guys, this army that has a tone of sci fi technology will be able to beat modern military"

no shit

[unreal nova]

Catachan hails from space Australia.

[deep bone]

Real

Space Bogans

[sonic kayak]

"Hey guys, this is an army of over potentially trillions of soldiers, all potentially trained to near tier 1 operative status as basic training, any lack of efficiency is sadly due to the incompetence of their commanders"

[deep bone]

I’m currently working on a Astra Militarum army not sure what colour I want to paint them

[unreal nova]

The fact you reach 14 alive is already... yeah.

[sonic kayak]

There's a reason why the Guard is not the same as the Solar Auxilia

[deep bone]

I am making my regiment based on Cadian regiments cause there my favourite

[hardy comet]

i mean, if you're talking about scions yeah, but your standard guardsman that isnt from a death world is likely some hive ganger or conscript

[sonic kayak]

Soldiers with the best training left to their own devices without anyone to control them? Leaving the battlefield decision making to their leaders on the ground? Dangerous (to some)

[deep bone]

Might make them based on the Cadian 110th

[unreal nova]

Even before anything war, they are taught to make use of anything to survive.

[sonic kayak]

Which is why Scions are so scary, because they are better than that

[deep bone]

Kasrkin Shock Trooper’s are cool af

[sonic kayak]

Or even better, Kasrkin

The human equivalent of the Deathwatch

[hardy comet]

so a good portion of guardsman infantry would have the same kind of training that a drug dealer today has

[sonic kayak]

Maybe a PDF regiment, sure

[unreal nova]

You can hold a gun and shoot it.

[hardy comet]

just like "you know what end to point at the enemy and how to shoot? good, go replace the people that just died on the frontline"

[sonic kayak]

But your bog standard guardsmen are exceptionally well trained

[candid agate]

6 months of training minimum for each one

[sonic kayak]

The problem is that, instead of learning and adapting, no one learns the tools they have so they just make more of them to throw more of them at the wall until it breaks

Not a IG problem, that's a tactical problem

[deep bone]

There is a difference between the standard troopers and conscripts

[unreal nova]

Is why I kinda want more from vet. Needs more to feel a cut above the avg fodder.

[sonic kayak]

Even on naval ships, cannons are all loaded manually

[unreal nova]

Is an Imperium problem.

[deep bone]

Most of the leadership within the guard sucks

[sonic kayak]

The Imperium's best resource are humans

[unreal nova]

Making innovation somewhat illegal.

[deep bone]

Commissars spend more time shooting their own men then actually leading them

[unreal nova]

Modding guns can even get you shot.

[sonic kayak]

A tool is only as good as the operator, who in this case are the higher-ups, which is the whole point of the 40k Imperium

[hardy comet]

comisars are trained to shoot deserters because they know their conscripts will try to flee as soon as they just see your standard set eyes on a standard demon

[deep bone]

And they wonder why so many guard want them dead

[sonic kayak]

People like Cain or Gaunt stand out because to us, that's relatively common sense, but to 40k, that's exceptionally rare

[unreal nova]

Which isn't fair when they hide it from ppl in the first place.

[sonic kayak]

Common sense ain't common

[deep bone]

Imperium moment

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-iron-within-warhammer-40k-iron-within-gif-15901333303769814082

[sonic kayak]

I have the best tools in the world for free, but because my friend said they suck I'm gonna throw them out

[unreal nova]

If ppl know more, they would be harder to control to them.

[hardy comet]

i mean when even just knowing demons exist can cause a cult to show up makse sense

[unreal nova]

I mean, stop treating ppl that badly that a cult feels more welcoming.

[deep bone]

True

[unreal nova]

.-.

[hardy comet]

dude, compare it to the modern world, you got actual pirates that people simp for when all they do is terrorise trade ships

[deep bone]

If I was given the choice between dying in a hive city Eaton corpse starch and shit or join a cult that would treat me better and give me cool robes and shit if choose the cult too lmao

[sonic kayak]

Come rest, weary traveler. I'm sure you're tired. How about a nice warm meal? Soup. I made soup. Freshest ingredients. Have some bread. Homemade. Oh, I know it's a reprieve from what you've been through. Are you still cold? How about a blanket? Wool.

This is how a cult forms

[hardy comet]

not to mention sociopaths that just go "yo, maybe if i do worship some demon, i can be strong enough to be king of the world"

[unreal nova]

Would you join a Slaanesh cult if they offered you luxury food in excess?

[deep bone]

Oh no people in the hive city are being nice to each other

https://tenor.com/view/exterminatus-explosion-overkill-planet-killer-wipeout-gif-2255562371502138943

[unreal nova]

That you can have all you want?

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent there any noteable differences for the MkV Helby (Light Variant) after the buffs or is it still the same old

[deep bone]

If I was a starved hive city resident yes

[faint beacon]

Considering trying it when I’m off work

[deep bone]

Bro imagine being born in Atoma

[faint beacon]

I’ve used the other two but actively avoided the MkV

[unreal nova]

Thus...

[deep bone]

Looking out your window and seeing a Spawn of chaos eat a guard squad

[sonic kayak]

Imagine literally slaving your ass off and instead of getting beaten, someone pats you on the back and says you did a good job

Couldn't be the Imperium

[deep bone]

Moebian 21st got absolutely jumped

Disgraceful

Planetary Defense Forces suck lmao

[sonic kayak]

Out of everyone in this fucking war, the 21st got shafted the most

[deep bone]

Yea

[marsh quiver]

have pings been broken recently?

[deep bone]

They can’t win against the Moebian 6th even when they have Leman Russ support

[sonic kayak]

That's what you get for minding your own business in the Imperium

[unreal nova]

Thus, I understand the situation.

[hardy comet]

no doubt there are cults that show up everywhere in the imperium, even on ultramar

[marsh quiver]

found it super hard to tag certain enemies even when I'm looking right at them

[sonic kayak]

There are even cults on Terra

[deep bone]

I have had that too

[hardy comet]

true

[unreal nova]

Turn companion pings back to 2 pings if playing other classes or lone wulf.

[sonic kayak]

They're a problem when they become loud enough, otherwise you'll always have dissent

[deep bone]

Yea the Ecclesiarch

[sonic kayak]

"Workplace hazard"

[hardy comet]

i said ultramar because that is the closest to paradise in impirium

[marsh quiver]

It felt like I was back in beta where ranged elites were untaggable if they had a railing betwen us and them

[deep bone]

The Inquisition is a cult

[marsh quiver]

I'm already on two pings, didn't change that

[candid agate]

ngl, hexbound daemonhosts are the worst modifiers to a mission, they are so buggy and badly done, they should just be abandoned

[deep bone]

I hate Pox Hardened Skin

[left comet]

which gun is best for the serial killer penance>

[marsh quiver]

love triggering hexbound rituals by taking the elevator

hexbound is like

4 rooms over

[unreal nova]

I guess they dooked something else on top then.

[faint beacon]

They’re fun till you get a bugged hexbound that immediately starts fast summoning half way across the map forcing you to fight it

[candid agate]

i love hexbounds beginning legit behind a wall

[sonic kayak]

My favorite is when you can't track them well because they're in the fucking ground

[unreal nova]

That's still there btw. Railings are walls, lul.

[marsh quiver]

there's this one hexbound on spireside vault that will trigger immediately when you're technically still really far away in terms of progression

[hardy comet]

thing is, cults on tera and ultramar are likely shut down quick because inquisitors frequent that area

[candid agate]

where we have to do interrogators to get past that wall

[marsh quiver]

because the lift brings you close to it

[deep bone]

Ordo Hereticus is based

[marsh quiver]

that one is pretty much a guaranteed hexbound spawn because you can't get there safely in time

[marsh quiver]

they used to be way, way worse in beta

[hardy comet]

side note, wonder how sweet a darktide game would be if its chaos cultists ad the classes

[marsh quiver]

for a long time it was fine after, now it seems like it's back to beta levels of ping again

[unreal nova]

I can see a trapper and even shoot it, but ping? Nope.

[marsh quiver]

yeah, I'm not super happy about the pings being broken

[deep bone]

Vermintide had the same problems

I adore Vermintide

I love that game

[hardy comet]

pings work fine for me

[unreal nova]

Is annoying since I wanna send doggo to go bite her.

[deep bone]

I like the Arbites class

But I’m still gonna be a Vet main

It’s the closest thing to being a guardsman as I can get

[torn gorge]

thats shocking

[deep bone]

I want this set in green

[open ravine]

I'm confused it is green or are you running a mod to make it seem green

[sonic kayak]

He might mean the armor in green

The cloth is green yes, but not the armor plates

[neon estuary]

actually i like the way the color looks

[stark lotus]

I don't.

[neon estuary]

not a fan of black and green?

[grand perch]

green is good

gordon gekko had it almost right

[sonic kayak]

Green is good. Have a bonus.

IYKYK

[neon estuary]

at least black and green looks great on mine

problem is the beret though....

[narrow widget]

red goes nicely with that color scheme tho

nice 90-10 color split

[neon estuary]

red beret means you're paratrooper and doesn't fit on my veteran

[narrow widget]

ig

[sonic kayak]

Are you say Elysian Drop Troopers aren't veterans?

[neon estuary]

no no, mine is more of a... commando kind of veteran. No offense really

i just prefer green or black beret to fit my veteran's style

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion is all I’m using

I’ll be surprised if FS manages to make Arbitrator outfits based on those regiments

[sonic kayak]

You're saying paratroopers aren't commandos? The guys that invented commandoing?

[neon estuary]

stop trolling on me, i ment no disrespect really!

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/administrator-tf2-team-fortress-2-announcer-gif-8393486578934788793

[grand perch]

i am however saying 40k doesnt have the same beret rules as contemporary armies

[plain osprey]

Just tried to use the indignatus crusher in an CIVI... Never doing that again

[neon estuary]

so i tried using the dualing sword, not ridiculously op to me

[torn gorge]

try it more

[normal bay]

Have you tried poking them harder?

[neon estuary]

its very complicated when dealing with heavily crowded enemies

[normal bay]

Then go try kill a crusher with a heavy sword

To remind yourself of the pain

[hollow ibex]

500 dps 🔥

[nimble wadi]

Is combat shotgun any good on vet?

[sonic kayak]

It sure is

[hollow ibex]

Agri is a beast

[nimble wadi]

What blessings/perks?

[hollow ibex]

this is what i run but you could prob replace flak with something else if you want

[lavish stump]

Even on havoc?

I kinda wanted a build w it but never figured it out

[hollow ibex]

ainz was using it in havoc so prob

idk/idc about havoc

[faint beacon]

It’s solid in havoc

He does fullbore manstopper

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed7157d-4500-49fd-8c9d-8570cb3e563c/havoc-doomguy-shotkrak-veteran I tested this and honestly I didn't like it at all

lol

[lavish stump]

even on higher levels like 40?

[hollow ibex]

he was doing a true duo on h40 with it yes

[lavish stump]

can anybody link his build lol

[open ravine]

Why don't people use the twins shortcut anymore

[lavish stump]

@narrow frost can you please share your combat shotgun build on vet?

I am 90% sure he is using VoC

[hollow ibex]

he wasn't playing vet

he was playing arbi

[lavish stump]

oh damn

[faint beacon]

Agri is still good on Vet

[lavish stump]

but with what build tho

[faint beacon]

WS or FT pathing and you could do either VOC or EStance

EStance for slug sniping

[lavish stump]

is this good for it?

[lavish stump]

and what is WS or FT?

and what blessing should I get for shotgun tho

[sonic kayak]

That's the bread and butter of most Vet builds

WS = Weapon Specialist, bottom right keystone
FT = Focus Target, bottom middle

[lavish stump]

they need to do something with his auras

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s solid

[lavish stump]

5% damage my ass

[faint beacon]

If you’re spamming out slugs try to take Tac Reload

[sonic kayak]

Meanwhile Arbites getting free Skullcrusher every 3 nodes

[lavish stump]

oh he is getting nerfed hard

at least I cope

he has way to much going on for him in every situation

[sleek garden]

i like arbites playstyle a lot but i agree

arbites is crazy good

[lavish stump]

but he is like top 3

[sleek garden]

every match i play when im not arbites im struggling to keep up because they kill everything so fast they're already moving on to the next area

[sonic kayak]

He's a product of the times

Veteran and Zealot aren't

[sleek garden]

dogs kill every trapper sniper bomber before you can see them

do enemies just need to be tougher

[loud belfry]

preferably more enemies

[lavish stump]

give hp to dog

problem solved

[sonic kayak]

Meanwhile I just outdamaged 2 Arbites and a Zealot with the shotgun

[lavish stump]

none of the enemies even acknowledge existence of a dog

[sleek garden]

what shotgun are you using

[lavish stump]

he is just a free bot

[jovial wagon]

does executioner's stance do good enough in late game content

[sonic kayak]

Accatran

[jovial wagon]

wanna jump back on it

[lavish stump]

same

my boss damage is always on top lol

[sleek garden]

if you're a head clicker god you can do well for yourself with an infantry weapon by 1-3 tapping every specialist/shooter/non carapace elite

[unreal nova]

You mean free hammerblow.

[jovial wagon]

thanks

[sonic kayak]

Auric ain't shit anymore

[jovial wagon]

I didn't use it the intended way though lol. I used it on hordes

it would usually melt them

[sonic kayak]

The one with 110k boss damage was a THammer Zealot

[jovial wagon]

but I main bolt pistol with this so maybe I should make a third loadout slot and try a build for it

[sonic kayak]

Just used shotgun + power sword

[normal bay]

1686 kills in auric

Was it the event mission?

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, Inferno + Hunting Packs

Those deaths were both Arbites

[lavish stump]

my usual games are 4 thousand enemise killed lol

[normal bay]

Those missions have super low spawns for some reason

[sleek garden]

on auric? you're moving way too slow

[unreal nova]

I don't know how ppl die on Arbites barring pure solo because trying to clutch.

[sleek garden]

mine usually end up around 2k for 40 minutes

[normal bay]

You're just fucking about at that point

[lavish stump]

I am not

[normal bay]

2-3k depending on mission is normal

[sonic kayak]

Meanwhile the new maelstrom with "no random hordes" playing like a CIVI but with gunners instead of melee on Ascension Riser:

[unreal nova]

Or just being knocked off the map.

[lavish stump]

it was civi we did that mission like for 1 hour

scab enemies

[sonic kayak]

Patrols of fucking reapers

What bullshit did they do to the horde management

[barren nimbus]

Did they make havoc easier this patch

[lavish stump]

so anyway fullbore + which blessing?

[sonic kayak]

Can't go wrong with No Respite

[barren nimbus]

Manstopper

[sonic kayak]

Fullbore and Manstopper is fun with slugs

Hitting an enemy with a slug counts as "all pellets hitting the same enemy"

[barren nimbus]

I think the combat shotgun only fires 4 pellets so fullbore is usually fine

Its kinda sad but the combat shotgun seems very good in normal modes but awful in havoc

[sonic kayak]

Wait I think I was doing Scattershot + Manstopper back then

[lavish stump]

it is good in havoc

not bad but decent

[barren nimbus]

Eh

Even the new arbites shotgun is somewhat lacking. It has bad breakpoints even when you max its damage out

[sonic kayak]

It takes care of gunners so it works for me

[lavish stump]

what is general good blessing for every situation?

fullbore + no respite?

[barren nimbus]

For what weapon

[sonic kayak]

I follow the simple philosophy of guns for shooters, melee for anything in-between

[lavish stump]

combat shotgun

[barren nimbus]

Manstopper is the best perk, the other is slightly more interchangeable

But the flame variant of the combat shotgun fires 4 pellets so fullbore works pretty well

[hollow ibex]

nah

for agri best is simply full bore/no respite

the rest it depends

manstopper is hardly the best across all 3 marks

[sleek garden]

zarona can one shot reapers and possibly bulawrks

manstopper works great on zarona because of the special shell

the flame shotgun already has decent cleave and a wide shot so crits on hitting multiple people is good

[lavish stump]

what about double barrel

[sleek garden]

both barrels i think

if it has full bore you can get in someones face and annihilate them with a one two

[lavish stump]

nah man shotgun sucks ass

lmao

I just tested it

I need my weapon to be able to kill stuff in 1-2 shots

not dumping the mag

[hollow ibex]

aim better

[lavish stump]

nah shotgun is literally not about aiming

idk what I wanted I guess

[sudden cedar]

They are to some extent

[lavish stump]

that is not good

[sudden cedar]

I mean what are you looking for anyway.

[hollow ibex]

sorry but a lot of the shotguns are finesse weapons

[lavish stump]

weapon where I aim in general way start shooting and everything is dead

this fits bolter but I am bored with bolter

[sudden cedar]

I see.

Play Zealot and use the Flamer.

[faint beacon]

Finesse = Weakspot

[loud belfry]

ripper on ogryn is kinda cute like that

[sudden cedar]

It fits your description of a weapon and its usage.

[faint beacon]

Veteran is the Weakspot rewarding class

[sudden cedar]

What is the Veteran called again?

[loud belfry]

definitely not sharpshooter

[faint beacon]

Aka if you can aim a good chunk of weapons can def make them work

[grand perch]

[faint beacon]

Not anymore after Ogryn lmao

[narrow frost]

I wake

[sudden cedar]

Ah yes, "Veteran: Sharpshooter"

[narrow frost]

Gale look at this

Arby havoc 40 duo

Sadly we died

Ham's Internet went out

[faint beacon]

Unfortunate

[sudden cedar]

Sad.

[faint beacon]

What was the build

[narrow frost]

My normal build

Crusher agri combat shotgun

Impact made, break the line

[lavish stump]

ainz hello

can you make double barrel shotgun work

[narrow frost]

Yeah

Gotta pull up my video one sec

[lavish stump]

for veteran I presume

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/IhrV7dDOmqo?si=lHlVmFp8ow1CcSO9

Havoc 40, all 4 vets with smoeks

And my build is on the comments

[lavish stump]

smoke??

[narrow frost]

Yes

Yes

It's very good

Especially in havoc

It's just a more spammable psyker bubble

[sudden cedar]

And it does not have the drawback of suddenly vanishing leaving you without cover

[narrow frost]

And it does even more

[grand perch]

except toughness regeneration

or blocking grenades

[narrow frost]

Since it also stops dogs and makes trappers get alot closer before shooting

[sudden cedar]

Well, you would have other sources of toughness regen

Not that you must, but you could use the Nuncio-Aquila now.

[faint beacon]

A lot closer before shooting aka

DB value

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MypqMu6qcI

would be part 2

[faint beacon]

I’m so glad you added that

Smoke.

Smoke.

Are you smoking yet?

[narrow frost]

Smoke.

Smoke.

[faint beacon]

I love smoke nades

I just WISH

IT WASNT MILES AWAY FROM SURVIVALIST

CAUSE THAT PATHING HAS SOME OF MY FAVORITE TALENTS

[patent birch]

so which combat shotty is good

[unreal nova]

He wants Arbites shotgun on Vet.

[faint beacon]

Closest thing youll get is Acca Shotty

[sudden cedar]

Probably

[faint beacon]

But that has ranged issues

Shits on everything up close and medium ranged though

[unreal nova]

Not powerful enough, MUST 1-2 tap entire hordes.

[unreal nova]

Also needs to have range.

[lavish stump]

arbites weapons will be shared in future

mark my words

they are just class specific for now

[high token]

anything major changed in vet since the update? haven't played for a while

[lavish stump]

nothing

he is garbage

[faint beacon]

Experiencing a year drought

[high token]

so, the usual

[faint beacon]

So no not really aside from weapon buffs like Combat Shotties and Helbores

[sudden cedar]

I don't think they will be shared

[faint beacon]

I doubt it also

Exterm Shotties and Shields are incredibly unique to them

But I could see the Arby Smaul

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Arby got more shared weapons later

They’re probably testing the waters rn

Ex. Devils Claw

Etc

I kinda want them not to have DS though

Cause then everyone will run that instead of the actual fun weapons

[atomic void]

they dont use toothpicks thankfully

[lavish stump]

is game fucking dead

why it takes so long to find auric malestorm

wtf

[faint beacon]

They have been seen with knives though

I’d prefer they get a heavier one that’s less on mobility and more on small horde clear and good single target

[atomic void]

knives are very common no?

i want all their upcoming weapons to focus on the stagger everything theme

mauls hammers and stuff

also give them and vet heavy stubber

[faint beacon]

Hence I’m saying if they get a knife make it a Bowie knife that cleaves decently but not as good as the swords

And weaker/slower in single target

[atomic void]

bowie knife my beloved

[lavish stump]

why is everyone suddenly playing fucking veteran? for the past 20 games I was the only veteran

now its every other game

[faint beacon]

Day-

6?

Yeah day 6

Arby burn out is setting in

Honestly I’m thankful cause I don’t like stacks

That or 3 of them

2-1 is fine

[lavish stump]

we need shotgun that behaves like boltor

[barren nimbus]

Feel like it’s always been played at a standard level, at least for havoc. If you’re doing regular missions it’s probably cause shooting is fun

I’m literally just waiting to find a havoc veteran that is useful

[sudden cedar]

@barren nimbus @steep flower Here is a Havoc Veteran that is useful.

[steep flower]

Speaking off i will be playing havoc; need 2

[sudden cedar]

I would be up to it later.

[barren nimbus]

I think I have him added, whats your veteran name @steep flower

Oh hes EU I forgot

So I’d never find him

[steep flower]

Grandpa :3

[nimble wadi]

@proven egret is Accatran any good or should I stick with agri for combat shotgun

[steep flower]

try it & see for yourself; its not as bad as ppl paint it

[barren nimbus]

The flame shotgun mark is pretty decent, just has some mediocre breakpoints

[faint beacon]

People say its shit cause it falls off at range

But it destroys up close

[lavish stump]

lol he is useful

he provides good utility

also smoke grenade is actually busted

[faint beacon]

Hes get out damaged easily but like has insane utility

[lavish stump]

also I can't get enough of fucking bolter maan

see crushers

one mag and all of them are gone

[lavish stump]

I am not playing veteran for damage tho

I know that most of players will ignore ranged specials and shit

so that it is my job to kill them

need me a smoke grenade build

[faint beacon]

Well I used too but now it’s more just dedicate HVT gameplay or utility

[lavish stump]

HVT?

[barren nimbus]

It’s kinda tragic that arbites kinda is just a more well rounded veteran

[faint beacon]

Arby is the actual kill everything class I play

High Value Target

Aka elites or specials

[lavish stump]

I hope he gets nerfed and get veteran treatment for year

so I can fucking see him less

[barren nimbus]

I already barely see them in havoc since golden toughness is stupid

Survivalist is so shit it genuinely needs a massive buff

It would be fine if veteran was good, but I see it a lot this patch where people will play veteran for survivalist and they will just perform terribly

[sudden cedar]

Maybe because they just are terrible.

[lavish stump]

+++

veteran is very very good on havoc

the issue is that he literally just has one build

but I just like VoC

more than his other abilities

[steep flower]

if you think build as in VoC then kinda ye

[lavish stump]

anyway he is not gonna get any changes until like 2026

which is terrible

I hope player count drops very low so they will act upon it

or do something idk

[warm schooner]

new players same old bad opinions

[lavish stump]

I am not a new player tho

lol

[barren nimbus]

Idk why they don’t micro buff veteran in the mean time

[midnight totem]

I fucking love Power Matrix on Havoc

[lavish stump]

I've seen terrible rng that this game had on release

[midnight totem]

first drop down, get hit with two plague ogryns, chaos spawn, and twins

on the second most ledge heavy arena in the game

[lavish stump]

I think I am a vet main now lol

I don't have fun as other classes as I do with vet

[unreal nova]

They did... but tone deaf buffs, lul.

[lavish stump]

is this build good for shotgun vet btw? double barrel

[barren nimbus]

Double barrel kinda needs right keystone

[lavish stump]

for havoc

[jovial wagon]

speaking of shotgun vet

can I make a stealth db surprise build

[lavish stump]

I am playing havoc mostly

[jovial wagon]

or does the stealth only increase melee

[lavish stump]

why tf gameslanter has no filter for grenades per class

lol

[barren nimbus]

It’s insane to me when i went on reddit the other day to see people pissing in their diaper over the plasma gun, meanwhile I’m losing to literal robots running an autoclicker on an invincible stupid class

[lavish stump]

which voice is best for veteran do you think?

afaik people hate cadian voice now

[barren nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369453143267737680/1388325604830609428/image.png?ex=68628cba&is=68613b3a&hm=4013b0d29a17acfaf14ce918ff7e26dae3f5838b29aa83ac675299af84961e8a&

This guy fired 12 bullets

[narrow frost]

Sorry

Was me

[frank basin]

Return to vermintide

[sudden cedar]

All that Cadians do is whine about how they miss Cadia.

And how everyone that isn't a Cadian can get lost.

@barren nimbus Just so that i understand, how are you "losing" to someone in a PvE Game that emphasizes teamwork, exspecially in Havoc?

[narrow frost]

Wrong ainz, but I only use the agri

[hollow ibex]

accatran is still good only for the memes tbh

[faint beacon]

Agri has range

Acca doesn’t

But Acca still hits incredibly hard up close

[frank basin]

Agri is feel more real shotgun

Sniping cross the room

[lavish stump]

I hate this so much

where are psykers

[frank basin]

They probably bored playing psyker

[sudden cedar]

Have you thought about using the LFG in this Discord?

[faint beacon]

Arby is pretty insane for frontline control on havoc but like

That’s assuming they actually do Break The Line, Forceful, LW

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[red robin]

man

ive been using combat shotgun

makes me miss reload node executioners stance

[lavish stump]

btw I have like rank 16 in havoc but it doesnt show in my nickname

[midnight totem]

stealth has a node that increases close damage, so it can work

but I think its worthless cause the node, while it gives a big bonus

[sudden cedar]

@lavish stump You may not have this rank yet, just the assignment

[midnight totem]

only lasts 5 seconds

[faint beacon]

You have to complete an assignment to get the rank

The clearance level is what you have access to

Aka you could play with a H40 team and get the shiny 40 medal next your name but your clearance could still be 23

[jovial wagon]

ah okay thanks

[midnight totem]

yeah, there's a mandatory below stealth that gives like, 15 close damage for 10 seconds after ability use

that feels just so much better, you know?

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[atomic void]

if u won the mission u won

its a pve game

[faint beacon]

Justified crash out if it’s a 3 stack mastiff match

If not then it is no longer justified

[jovial wagon]

I don't mind people like, one shotting everything they come across

but it's a lil annoying when I'm comboing a rager, dodging like an absolute speed fiend

and then some wanker comes over and just bonks him

I don't really believe in "kill stealing" but come on man I was doing that. I was having fun

[sudden cedar]

They just want to help you. Most likely.

[faint beacon]

It’s more annoying when I have the perfect shot then princess cucks me out of a headshot on a gunner

And now I have to bodyshot it to kill it

[sudden cedar]

I absolutely think there is some sort of kill stealing

Like a Zealot charging something only to find it dead on arrival

[jovial wagon]

sm2 has this with zealot lol

not zealot

vanguard

[atomic void]

kill stealing has been a thing since i started playing
nothing u can do about it lol

[sudden cedar]

Charging something to procc talents and what not is helpful

Finding the target dead leaves you open

and in worst cases unable to regain toughness you may have lost

[atomic void]

yep i hate vanguards who just grapple and steal exec especially when i NEED the exec to get my contested hp back

[jovial wagon]

it goes two ways. You either hook to a guy and your execution gets stolen, or you're about to execute someone and then it gets stopped by them hooking in to take it. In that game it's genuinely bad though because executions are actually needed for armour and what cyber just said, contested health

[atomic void]

people just want to do glory kills and dont understand the mechanic behind it

[nimble wadi]

Does caxe need unarmored with BM to ensure breakpoints or no

[faint beacon]

Ye

[jovial wagon]

What’s the deal with chainswords? Subreddit seems to dislike them

I find them fun

[hollow ibex]

oh nothing much

they're just ass

[jovial wagon]

I like them idk

[warm schooner]

they just fall off hard in the higher difficulties

mostly just havoc really

[jovial wagon]

that makes sense

[hollow ibex]

they fall off in damnation tbh

[jovial wagon]

I did notice that

[warm schooner]

yeah but you can do whatever in damnation so it doesn't really matter that much

[hollow ibex]

problem is they're really only good at shredding poxxers

[jovial wagon]

I don't hear much praise for power swords but I really like them too

[hollow ibex]

anything above that, even bruisers

they start to struggle

[jovial wagon]

I mean the duelling sword sucks ass at clearing crowds but I see that being used the most

[hollow ibex]

that's just the top vet melee

[jovial wagon]

isn't it veteran's only unique gun

*weapon

other than plasma gun

[warm schooner]

helbore

[jovial wagon]

helbore's not a gun it's a flashlight with a bayonet

[warm schooner]

lol

no

helbore is amazing

[jovial wagon]

I can't enjoy it

[warm schooner]

that's fair, I had to use a mod to get new sights

the irons were so bad it was painful to use

[jovial wagon]

see it's that little

switch

before you equip it

[warm schooner]

they made it faster with the latest patch

[jovial wagon]

if you equipped it for the first time I'd get it. Kinda like how halo has little animations for when you first equip a gun, you actually need to cock it and that

but it's everytime

[grand perch]

you must not have used the helbore in the last 6 days

S tier since the patch

[unreal nova]

What irons? That's just the thing to slide a scope on.

[teal lance]

Should I make my Veteran look like Ciaphas Cain? The Commissar hat and the coat from the newest store page might make a convincing look.

[sudden cedar]

Do what ever brings you joy.

No one will stop you and the only one you have to ask is yourself.

[tall torrent]

Got better
But the other 2 hit better breakpoints

[unreal nova]

It is your money after all to do as you wish with it.

[stable ridge]

Im struggling with makinga good kantrel lasgun, any suggestions?

[young sequoia]

not so bad nowadays :)

[lavish stump]

What dif

[young sequoia]

equips faster

[lavish stump]

I mean

Difficulty

[young sequoia]

auric

[lavish stump]

What how

Two shotting?!!

[normal bay]

That's not difficult

[lavish stump]

It takes 4-5 for me lol

[grand perch]

mk 4 can oneshot crushers

[hollow ibex]

wdym

[normal bay]

IIIa can one tap reapers with marksman + crit iirc

[hollow ibex]

that's easy for a helbore lol

you can one shot crushers with the right setup

[lavish stump]

I need that setup then lol

[distant mural]

They are just happy its not a demon again. 😂

[jovial wagon]

Ooo that’s brilliant thank you

[faint beacon]

I’m just trying to find something that fires faster and can compete with Mastiff spam

[tall torrent]

Run ahead with a power sword

[faint beacon]

Path you know how stubborn I am

You know damn well I’m not gonna do that

Lmao

[tall torrent]

Ok run ahead with a Rashad then

[faint beacon]

BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY

I’m just curious how to build a MkV or literally nothing changed

[tall torrent]

Then what’s the difference between that and running ahead with a power sword 💀

[faint beacon]

I hate it’s mobility that’s the difference

[tall torrent]

U still need unarmored for Dreg gunner 1 taps

U can sorta forego maniac because maniac perk on its own doesn’t give u flamer 1 taps until inverse falloff kicks in (it’s like 1399 damage in 1 headshot), and run unyielding instead for reaper 2 tap if 1 crit weakspot

And u still crit headshot 1 tap flamer regardless of maniac, regardless of range

[clever hedge]

Do you have a full hellbore build you enjoy? Recovering hellbore hater and wanted to give it a go again

[faint beacon]

Fires incredibly fast so id figure just normal fire at it regardless of location

[faint beacon]

I could probably send a similar build that’s ammo efficient later if I remember

Helbore is a solid S tier if you can aim

[young sequoia]

yeah this was purely for the oneshot psykanium test

[hollow ibex]

the cool part is that you barely have to aim now too

the hitbox is so big lol

[faint beacon]

.05 hit box btw

Vigilant wishes it had that

Hitreg issues my beloved

[hollow ibex]

agri slugs didn't get a hitbox buff right? kinda wished it did

not that it needs to be stronger lol

[faint beacon]

No

[hollow ibex]

would be nice

heretic head-seeking technology

smart guns

[faint beacon]

I’m for doing that if the weapon is having notorious hitreg issues

Aka literally Helbore (no longer)

And vigils

ILAS I’m not too sure

Also I’ll casually convert Helbore users to trying out the Vigils if they want something a bit more difficult but in a similarish play style

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-cigar-cigar-skeleton-gif-24778130

My Agri IX cult will grow you can’t stop me

[frank basin]

Always you love agri ix

Since armor pen for vigil suck on high

[faint beacon]

@grand perch does Infantry las have hit register issues like the Helbore previously used too, and Vigils?

Asking cause I know he uses the MkIIb

[tall torrent]

Nah, always charge shot

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah I’m saying charge shot followed with a normal if it’s that 1399 on a Flamer

[tall torrent]

I think it’s better to get used to IIIa and IV

Cuz they scale much better for havoc

[faint beacon]

Yeah I was planning on that for Havoc but like outside of it I’d assume V is still solid

[ancient path]

someone carry my arbi through damnation for exp

uprising is boring as shit

[barren nimbus]

Did they nerf havoc 40

It’s very possible arby is just op but I used to play veteran and its really easy now

[sonic kayak]

Would you like to join Slappy and I?

[quaint sparrow]

Umm

Uhhh

What?

How?

[quick seal]

It’s a rounding thing

[ancient path]

ya

[quick seal]

The ammo is like a 60.5% and some other stat is a 79.5%

It just rounds up in the UI

[sonic kayak]

We're doing Auric, that's fine?

[ancient path]

im level 5 lmfao

i mean id do it because im not a bitch

[quaint sparrow]

I see... so still a good roll to buy then

XD

[ancient path]

but im just letting you know

[sonic kayak]

All good, took a fresh lvl 7 into an Auric Maelstrom once, they survived only with 3 deaths

[ancient path]

let me just do some item stuff and im game

how do i find my fatshark code

[sonic kayak]

You can just copy mine

The numbers in my name

[quick seal]

Hi

[nimble wadi]

After playing Ogryn and arby for a while vet feels squishy lol

Yeah we have shout but I feel like Ogryn and Arby’s have way more defensive passives

[feral jetty]

hello soldiers

I hope yall are having a good day

[sonic kayak]

Well, Ogryn has the bulk, Arbites has the sustain

Vet is in the middle but neither

[feral jetty]

i'm down if you ever want

[nimble wadi]

[feral jetty]

could always use new friends

[feral jetty]

I am okay, ty for askin

[faint beacon]

again this is why im thinking it would be cool if Vet in its rework was given strictly Ranged DR talents so you still get heavily punished in melee

knowing them they'll still add DR/TDR here and there

but I want it to be Vets identity to have better sustain in firefights

[quick seal]

this is my safe space

where all my fellow veterans are

every time i'm in-game, I get queued with three other identical-looking arbites

[barren nimbus]

That’s cool and all but they just released a super veteran with no real weaknesses, and then there’s also ogryn

[faint beacon]

They're going to overbuff Zealot

[barren nimbus]

I would be happier if current veteran was the standard of balance, because veteran had weaknesses and strengths, and needed help. Now we have two classes that are space marines while veteran is in a wheelchair

[faint beacon]

this has been the way with them for some fucking reason

and im not happy

[barren nimbus]

Rebalancing zealot before veteran is pathetic

[faint beacon]

Also thats why I said Strictly Ranged TDR/DR

so if a Vet cant handle a fight in melee they should promptly eat shit

[warm schooner]

ever since that lead gameplay designer left, things have taken a turn balance wise

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

There's no

And I mean

No

Versatility on zealots build

You will take The Build ™

And be happy about it

[barren nimbus]

Zealot literally has twice the viable abilities

And not to mention zealots perks are literally 6x better

[quick seal]

zealot's chorus feels super jank

[barren nimbus]

The moment veteran drops below 75% toughness the lights turn off and you die

[tame lodge]

Nope

Chastise>>>>>>

[quick seal]

like sometimes I press down the button and it stops chorusing when I don't want it to, like the whole thing feels super janky

[quick seal]

Yes

I agree

[tame lodge]

And I hope you like throwing knives

Because that's all you will be getting

[barren nimbus]

I really enjoy chastise with thunder hammer. I would regularly get 500k boss damage, then Flamer carries horde clear

[steady prism]

It isn't just balance.. Its a lack of vision and or planning. Zealot is suppose to be melee DPS.. Critical strike and other things. Arbites and I think Ogryn do not have much in the way of Critical. That is fine because they are suppose to be semi tanks/frontline

Veteran is suppose to be the ranged specialist but then gets so few options to deal with Armor. If anything Veteran is in the worse position design wise

[barren nimbus]

Throwing knives are probably more powerful than shredders. I get shredders are mathematically strong but I feel like their performance is dog shit for me

[quick seal]

I agree

I perform better with knives than shredders

[steady prism]

While it may not perform as well.. At least Shredders can recharge every minute

[barren nimbus]

Dont knives come back when you kill an elite?

They also come back from ammo

[steady prism]

They are suppose to but a few times they did not for me

[barren nimbus]

There’s literally so many easy changes they could make to completely revitalize veteran. If krak grenades blew up like instantly after sticking something and then maybe applied brittleness, they’d shake the meta and it would take a dev 10 minutes

[hollow ibex]

shredders are so good tho

only downside is the long fuse time

which can make them feel bad

[quick seal]

smoke rework 🙏

pleaseeeee

[hollow ibex]

but if you time them ahead of time, they're way stronger than impacts

[quick seal]

If krak grenades blew up like instantly after sticking something and then maybe applied brittleness, they’d shake the meta and it would take a dev 10 minutes
wait this is actually so smart

you should go work at fatshark

[barren nimbus]

I would get ass fucked by corpo scum then probably be drowned in a river

[quick seal]

ohhhh

ass fucked.... oh ok

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[steady prism]

A rework won't fix Veteran I think. I have to agree with the forums asking for Specialties. The base class should be a fine introduction then at level 30 you can choose a specialty. a more focused tree is the only path forward I think

[barren nimbus]

veteran is boring and pigeonholed bad, but I don’t get why they aren’t just doing a bandaid microbuff until the rework a year from now. Literally 30 minutes of adjustments would please everyone

I’m relatively fine with veteran as is under the circumstances of a very small buff

[steady prism]

I wouldn't say boring but certainly in a bad position. It is too spread out to actually do one thing correct (outside of ranged). You have to go out of your way for stamina to hold hordes in melee. you don't have good damage reduction unless its at range.. the list of issues piles up

It is why I moved to Arbites. I recognize how poorly designed it is and that Arbites is not only crazy strong but more efficient

[deep bone]

What’s the best Shotgun for Veteran

[arctic rampart]

flamer carries horde clear? did they rework flamer? last time I checked flame staff would carry horde clear but flamer was only ok in mixes dense hordes.

[arctic rampart]

double barrel

[barren nimbus]

Flamer is pretty identical to flame staff besides lacking infinite ammo

[deep bone]

Yea I wanna try the combat shotguns

So what one would I wanna use

[arctic rampart]

I think they'r eall super subpar compared to other guns. Use whatever you want if its fun for you lul

[elder vessel]

Quick toss smokes

that detonate on impact

[arctic rampart]

I like how the change vets can look forawrd to is to nerf their best gun. What, you wanted anything shiney like every other class? .. Where's the melta gun you insensitive clods

[barren nimbus]

They genuinely might have brain damage if they think the plasma gun is problematic

[tame lodge]

Can't go wrong with Agripina

Actually you can

[pseudo fiber]

The plasma gun is problematic because its current design is boring dogshit

[tame lodge]

Just aim down sights

[deep bone]

I personally am likening the Accatran

I’m also trying out the Tac Axe and holy terra it’s amazing

It feels great

[pseudo fiber]

Horde? Uncharged shot
Specialist? Uncharged shot
Elite? Uncharged shot
Crushers and bulwarks? Uncharged shot
Bosses? Uncharged shot

It's fucking boring

[deep bone]

Yea

[pseudo fiber]

They should have nerfed plasma Uncharged shots like last year god knows why it took so long

[deep bone]

I personally don’t like using Plasma it’s a very passive gun

It don’t feel like I’m using my brain

That’s why I like using Lasguns

[faint beacon]

so much fun!

isn't this a fun gameplay loop?

Pressing m1 over and over with no drawback cause m1 has a safety mechanic!

[steady prism]

Agripinna is the go to Shotgun for most classes.. Even Arbites. While Arbites has a powerful shotgun, it isn't as consistent as the Agri

[tame lodge]

It's why Path stated that Arby's shotguns are mid huh

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[steady prism]

Indeed. I think they are using the Mk 3 execution though. I will test the other model later today.. the other model has more far damage than the Agri

[ancient path]

how do you guys like the shock maul + shield for arbi?

[steady prism]

That discussion is best for the Arbites channel but I will quickly say it is the Horde holder.. I am easily solo'ing hordes even against elites. My match last night.. I solo held a wave of normal mobs with 3 crushers mixed in

[ancient path]

arbi channel is kinda weird

so i'd rather be here

[crisp rapids]

so vets 3 stacks basically guarantees a crit?

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[crisp rapids]

nice

any good double barrel setup?

like

i am not proking full bore consistently

with it

[tame lodge]

Manstopper Flechette

Basically infinite cleave bleed

[crisp rapids]

and guarantee the crit trough that

the specialist ye?

what about deathsplitter / scattershot/ and both barels? (ig i don tneed that if i load my gun per kill)

[tame lodge]

You're running Weapon Specialist

With the Always Prepared modifier

You don't need to reload

Otherwise

It would be Deathspitter + Double Barrel

[crisp rapids]

ig i dont do deathsplitter cause i am dwapping constantly ye?

swapping*

[faint beacon]

Yes

3 melee kills is 100% crit, anything further is just increase Fire Rate

[crisp rapids]

which the shottie needs not

what about perks?

[faint beacon]

Which Shotty exactly seeing The Combat Shotguns are good now

[crisp rapids]

doble barrel

[faint beacon]

Flakiac

(Flak + Maniac)

[crisp rapids]

shall be done

i am doing a goofy stalthvet

but it was kinda arraight

so now i wanna make it goofy

again

why not unyeldingbtw?

[hollow ibex]

you fight flak/maniac enemies most of the time

[fossil basalt]

Unyielding is only a handful of enemies that should not usually be unloaded into

[hollow ibex]

and DB is primarily used for horde clear/wrecking human elites

[crisp rapids]

bruh the double barrels feels ass lmao

poiunt blank a mutie

[fossil basalt]

be fatshark
shotguns ass
make a better shotgun
buff the others so they're not quite as strong as the new one
they're still ass

[steady prism]

Unyielding is these two plus Beast of Nurgle, Daemonhost, and Plague Ogryn

[hollow ibex]

you simply need to respect what the gun is intended to do

cqc street sweeping

and long range specialist sniping

[crisp rapids]

it feels weird

double barrels a mutie

and he doesnt die

[tame lodge]

one of the buffed shotgun surpasses the "better" shotgun

[fossil basalt]

is it kan again?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Agri

[steady prism]

Fatshark logic these days is "how can I appease the Chinese overlords? (tencent". They used to make good games like I said in the past. I bring up War of the Roses as the best example

[hollow ibex]

on auric, you should be able to one shot them if you use both barrels

at close range

[fossil basalt]

I had some fun with agri, I still like the duckbill shot
the combat variant of it is butt

[hollow ibex]

zarona's not too bad now, but the spreadshot is considerably weaker than mk3

the primary shot's good

[steady prism]

wait until you try the Mk 3 exe on Arbi.. its more butt than that ahaha

[crisp rapids]

even if its at 1 ammo?

can i fore both?

[barren nimbus]

No way!

Weapon: x
Horde: left click
Single target: left click

Snooze

[hollow ibex]

hey mk3 shotty is pretty good

[tame lodge]

Rashad

No wait, Rashad uses push attack

Uh

Xiiig

[hollow ibex]

xiii uses PA too

it's part of the "proper" combo

i think most people just yolo light spam tho

[steady prism]

I use the Antax axe. The special attack is great for bopping ragers (when playing my veteran). When I am on my Arbi though.. I press F, bonk, and maybe use a Flash on my shield. Ugh Arbi is making me forget how to play Veteran proper

[tame lodge]

Shred Wrath
My beloved

[fossil basalt]

I genuinely like the Mk3

But that's because I fucking love suppressing enemies

[steady prism]

If I ever use a shotgun on either Veteran or Arbi.. I am using the Agri. that is just me though

[hollow ibex]

can't go wrong with agri 👍

[steady prism]

True. Though I prefer bolt pistol on Arbi. Spearhead on Veteran. Nothing like sending a 998 caliber round down range (yes that is the actual lore caliber to the Bolter)

[crisp rapids]

ok so,

i still have no clue how it works

and playing vet after playing with arbiter

its wild

i feel like i have to do soo much shit

to evne come close

to how much value arbiters give

[hollow ibex]

yeah vet's like twice the effort for half the results

[steady prism]

Yes. With Veteran you have to put your try hard pants on. With Arbites.. you can go full bot and be fine. I will see if I can find the score board but I did one high difficulty match with Arbi where I took over 500 damage.. all of it was my toughness. no health damage

[hollow ibex]

you really have to sweat your ass off to keep up as vet

[torn gorge]

[steady prism]

Indeed. Vet is now the squish'iest class. It is hilarious that as Arbi I get 25% damage reduction just for bonking elites

[crisp rapids]

yeah

also, the double barrels still feels odd?

like i get my shot off before the thing evne activates

my weapon specialist

the fucking executioner shotgun, makes the doulbe barrel feel like paper

am i doing something wrong?

[hollow ibex]

what's your db look like?

and your build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

[hollow ibex]

this is my standard WS + DB build

[hollow ibex]

ok looks fine

you just need to make sure that you're primarily firing the DB

after getting 3 stacks of WS

that guarantees the crit

and then you'll proc manstopper and flechette

so basically it's just 3 melee kills > switch to DB and fire gun > 3 melee kills > switch to DB and fire gun

[crisp rapids]

so ig its just arbi

that makes stuff

seems like i am doing nothing

i am doing fine i supose

the exec shot just fucking mogs me

[barren nimbus]

Combat shotgun isn’t bad comparatively

I feel like, as good as the executioner shotgun is, it’s sorta not worth doing because all your melee is aoe anyway

[crisp rapids]

i meant DB

they shot from the4 other sid eof the map

with their shotgun

like exec shot just better than antyhign else

this shit feels soo fucking ass

theyneed no buffs stacks or anythign

this shit cant kill ass

[unreal nova]

Twice? You mean 5 times the effort.

Clutching with a vet is like asking for your spine to be broken.

[faint beacon]

Trust me you're not alone im noticing it

I dont like that I have to willingly throw myself into danger in order to be as remotely helpful as an Arby who's literally

holding W

and pressing M1

[crisp rapids]

yeah

[faint beacon]

I like the concept of the class but its

[crisp rapids]

like the DB you gotta get 3 stacks, swap, shot, to have a chance at killing something.

[faint beacon]

MEGA overtuned

[crisp rapids]

tis stupid

i shoot with both barrels, and if i am nto face to face to anything

i just dont do any fuckign damage

its so ass

like how did they make this feel its a wet fucking noodle?

even the revolver now feels wack comparetivelly.

cause the arbites get some fucking overpenetration and amazing horizontal spread

and the plasmagun fires slower thanthe thing aarg

😔 the game was so fine before this class

[torn gorge]

truly, rumbler ogryns and DS were perfectly tuned

among other things

[crisp rapids]

it was fine

not saying it was perfect

but clearly not arbte level

[torn gorge]

you are really overreacting

[crisp rapids]

really not

i tried a couple missions, i cant do anything that the arbite doesnt do objectivelly better faster while beeing tankier

kinda

arbite just feels like better vet rn

[faint beacon]

The class is genuinely overtuned and does need targeted nerfs to not make it as oppressive against the older classes

this is a truth

[crisp rapids]

real

[faint beacon]

I do really like the idea

that we have a Crowd Control stagger rewarding class

[crimson mica]

Vet needs a rework though

[faint beacon]

I do not like the idea, that its just shy Ogryn tier levels of powerful

Crusher

[crisp rapids]

so what hapepned to the ogryn?

i havent played hinm

[faint beacon]

Rework

[crisp rapids]

since i got it to 30

[faint beacon]

insanely busted

[crisp rapids]

and i ahte it

explain rmoe

[faint beacon]

Imagine like

Arby DR

but like you get it for breathing

its stupid

very very stupid

That and Rumbler ogryns can turn the game off worse than psykers

Smite players to be exact

[crisp rapids]

look me

[faint beacon]

well that and Purg Staff users

[crisp rapids]

smite is worse tbh

but yeah

[faint beacon]

You should be promptly beaten with rocks...

[crisp rapids]

smite is very stupid

[faint beacon]

bad habit, and fucks over your team more than it helps

why im very against Smite

Zealot and Vet to be exact need dodging perks and they cant do that with a Smyker

Though Ogryn ALSO

has Payback Time

which is a dodge perk

and Arby has Dodge perks

shit

you fuck over everyone LMAO

[tame lodge]

Good

https://tenor.com/view/chad-man-chadiest-black-gif-25067424

[faint beacon]

All im saying is kill the habit before it gets worse lmao

[crisp rapids]

i been trying other shtie no worry

[faint beacon]

Just had the mandated barrel gloriana death because people cannot for the fucking life of them

NOT

SHOOT

BARRELS

[crisp rapids]

🙏 as god intended, the vets will explode

[faint beacon]

May you overload on peril 1 million times

[crisp rapids]

i cant

i am running smite

[unreal nova]

You need to barrel smykers.

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kAQRO7C7s2eIdCxzw?invite=cr-MSx3NnUsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[void dragon]

MAN Arbites players do twice as much damage as my veteran, its neat that i basically need no ammo (deadshot + laspistol) but they doing TWICE of the damage is nuts

[faint beacon]

to update both of you on what happened

LMAO

"Uh Oh" the arby says as the game crashes

LMAO

[void dragon]

you were fragging so good Obesefish had to pull the plug on you

[faint beacon]

"Sir the Smyker was killed in the barrel blast"

[crisp rapids]

i used to run smite shreak while the ppl in the psyker chat

kept talking it was soo bad

nj shite

check the history

they kept saying how it did no damage

[faint beacon]

Well is it Ehance Psy keystone

cause thats what causes it to nuke

but again Please refrain

there's a shit ton of cool Psyker builds also

[tame lodge]

Double down on smite

[faint beacon]

Such as Uh- Gale's millionth Agri IX Vigilant Auto propaganda build

[tame lodge]

Go gaze smite

Infinite smite

[faint beacon]

GAZE SMITE