veteran-class

[faint beacon]

they just fire slow

[unreal nova]

Cheating with sacrifice though if you hate it. XD

[past stratus]

Yeah I used Krak way more while leveling, back then Crushers were a big pain in the ass

[unreal nova]

I mean, need to get in armourbane asap. XD

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kzC62hNuO3EOSJiR_?invite=cr-MSxVaTIsMTA3NDAxNTcz

PSA: Why I only run Lone Wolf

[hollow ibex]

my dog is a good boy, he would never do that

[livid hill]

is it just me or is vet like not a very good class to clutch with. it feels like when even just one of my team is alive im good but when im the last person I gfet stomped

[past stratus]

You know I was thinking about it when I was looking at my Helbore earlier today. Is it really worth getting armourbane on that gun? I feel like the damage takes too long to ramp up and it is not big enough to make a difference.

[faint beacon]

its easily one of the worst

you dont have ease of access Toughness regens like the others or a Get out of jail free card

[hollow ibex]

i was playing a bunch of arbi, then went back to play my vet

[unreal nova]

No, the stupid penance, lul.

[hollow ibex]

vet is soooo much harder to play lol

night and day

[faint beacon]

so its more of a feat to clutch consistently with Vet

[livid hill]

like i used to think i was just bad but like without friends i die pretty quickly

[unreal nova]

You get 1 shout, and your 'nades.

If it didn't clear, you are dead.

[faint beacon]

manage those or die

Or you'll have to backtrack

a lot

and I mean A LOT

[past stratus]

Ahhh ok

[livid hill]

me and one other person? i can usually make it with flying colors if we're both careful, but me alone? no chance

[past stratus]

yeah Vet is a "I need things to go according to the plan" class

[livid hill]

i see zealots clutch a lot, cause like, they got the last little save and the toughness regen thing

idk i guess i just wanted affirmation that Im not just bad ig, because I was the last man standing and I lasted like 2 minutes alone

[unreal nova]

Is why, why the dook are you all dead, do you want to lose as I gamble the 5% chance to get to next rescue?

[livid hill]

huh

[unreal nova]

Need more 'nades.

5% chance on elite/special kill. Need to keep snowballing.

[torn gorge]

you can learn to clutch even by yourself

[livid hill]

idk vet is my favourite class bc i get to go fast and shoot fast and i get to listen to fem loose cannon (<3)

[past stratus]

best chance I ever got at clutching anything was when I was using the Dueling Sword and the Recon, it felt like I had enough mobility and versatility to try and kite things around until I could sprint to the recue

[torn gorge]

play knife6

safer weapon

higher mobility

[unreal nova]

Knoife Bistol, whatever is out, I still go fast.

[torn gorge]

then you can pair it with a higher impact ranged weapon

like a bolter

although voc usually trivialise the clutch effort

compared to what used to be with just ES

[past stratus]

knife is pretty good but the DS is just broken

the fact that I can line up elites in a hallway and one shot them

with a single Heavy

[hollow ibex]

yeah this is why DS is getting nerfed

well one of many reasons

[unreal nova]

There's a reason nobody but those types talk about it. They need to crutch with it. DS is so broken on a next lvl.

[faint beacon]

DS is

an unironic crutch

[torn gorge]

so is VoC

and was pre nerf Bolter

[faint beacon]

VoC is the depressing state of Crutch that keeps vet actually useful to his team

that and survivalist and VOC has better pathing for talents you need

again wraps around to me saying Vet needs a rework

Badly

[unreal nova]

Think of vet with no VoC, you would just take another class instead unless you need an ammo dispenser with field improv.

[past stratus]

yeah I avoid it on everything but my infernus psyker, mostly because I don't really melee all that much on that character. Just slide around and sprint a lot

I don't think VOC itself is broken, I think the other talents are just underwhelming

compared to other classes too

[unreal nova]

After Arbites, I think it's okay.

[faint beacon]

I mean there’s a reason I’ve been playing Arbitrator more lately

Vet gets dry really fucking quick

[past stratus]

VoC compared to Book or Bubble, is on the same tier of utility. Now Executioner's Stance and Infiltrator are just... bad.

compare those to other classes's abilities

[faint beacon]

I don’t like golden toughness but Arbites insane DR stacking

That and Casti and Nuncio

I think it’s okay to exist for now till Vet gets a rework, but I’d prefer it be removed

[unreal nova]

At this point, that gold toughness is nothing.

Arby doesn't need it to laugh at most things.

Vet without it basically just dies in comparison.

This is both considering a avg player.

Hell, even if you compare 2 same tier high lvl player, the Arby player will generally have it easier.

[torn gorge]

ES isnt bad tbh

the issue is related to the other talents and toughness regen

[past stratus]

Arbites are strong to the point that they change the way you play the game, on anything other than Auric. Arbites take the other classes for a walk

[torn gorge]

have you tried ogryn?

[young sequoia]

arbities: the latest in fatshark's sleepwalking technology

[torn gorge]

if you think arbites are strong

[past stratus]

it's even a bit depressing, the amount of times I go to kill something only for the arbites dog to just kill it immediately. And then I remember that thing is doing it on its own.

Not even something the Arbites needs to manage

[unreal nova]

Oh, I know. Arbites is better at 400 ping though.

[torn gorge]

even better than mid capstone shieldgrin?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Not kidding.

[torn gorge]

i wont argue with that specific case scenario since i have no experience in such level of ping

but in a better situation ogryn is just way stronger

[unreal nova]

I literally run shieldgryn to help ppl on heresy and I eat more damage than auric Arby.

[past stratus]

I think that in difficulties Auric + it evens out and everyone gets to impact the match

but below that it is not even close

[livid hill]

i hope if it does that it doesnt effect my exec stance build too much :(

i really enjoy exec stance

[faint beacon]

That’s core mechanic of vet

I doubt they’d remove it

Probably massively change how it works but buff the shit out of it seeing rarely anyone plays it

[livid hill]

idk i dont doubt it needs a rework but ive thought abt my build so much it scares me

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-spongebob-plankton-true-truth-gif-5372815280279127843

Honestly from playing both sides

Unless it’s like a Maelstrom

[torn gorge]

maelstrom isnt even that more difficult

[faint beacon]

Or hi intense seed director on auric

It’s literally a cake walk

[torn gorge]

than your average histg

play low man

solo/duo still very enjoyable

[faint beacon]

I-II-V-E-G is peak Darktide aside from havoc

[atomic void]

just play damnation malestroms

2 of the teamates are gonna be really bad 100% everytime

its like playing solo

res simulator

[torn gorge]

you misspelled no ammo pickup scab melee nurgle blessing

[past stratus]

I don't dislike Arbites, I just think their little murder missile of a dog needs a bit of a nerf

[faint beacon]

I think it’s especially miserable playing in a fucking Hound stack as Vet

Good fucking luck ever hitting your shots when princess is homing towards your target already

[torn gorge]

you say that implying that people playing in auric are good or somewhat competent

[atomic void]

yeah im ngl idk how any sharpshooter playstyle can coexist with ogryn or arabebbes they just send everything on their asses

[faint beacon]

That’s the joke

They don’t

[unreal nova]

I know, I'm just saying Arby just generally does more at that lvl of ping with less going down unless I spawn into a trapper wave on mortis.

[torn gorge]

last scab melee only i played on hab dreyko had a zealot rush ahead and die giving us around 30 crushers coming out of a door

[faint beacon]

That’s why I’m playing Combat Shotty more lately

[unreal nova]

At that point is luck.

[atomic void]

there's a lot of bad ones but damnations are especially funny cause you will get some fresh level 30 who'll fold 10 times by the end of the mission

[torn gorge]

and they werent alone

[faint beacon]

Till less Arbites stacks happen

Or more Lone Wolf players play

Cause I’m getting really tired

Playing my lukewarm rifle

And getting cucked out of a perfect shot

Every fucking time

By princess

[atomic void]

im getting bored of the stacks too

gimme flavor

i want to hear the dialogue between them and the gang

[faint beacon]

Vigilants suffer in hound stacks that’s all I’m stating

[atomic void]

for sure

[torn gorge]

vigilant suffer period

[faint beacon]

They’re solid rifles

Just Arbites hound players are your kryptonite

Aka you will barely ever hit your shots

[torn gorge]

they are a sidegrade of IAGs

[young sequoia]

all yall are missing the most important point about arbities: they don't have a Funny weapon.
Vet - shovel bonk
zealot - thammer whack-a-mole
ogryn - well, most of them, but also rock
arbities - ??? overtuned copslop

[grand perch]

Just aim faster lol

[torn gorge]

and both do suffer from increased density

[past stratus]

It's ironic that after months of playing Helbore, it finally got buffed. And I can't get any decent gameplay with it because the weapon cannot coexist with Arbites in general. Fuck my life.

[atomic void]

nah man i run some games with a friend who spams hellbore and he tops dmg

the trick is

[faint beacon]

I can’t tell if your being serious or sarcastic cause it usually pounces before I can even register it

[atomic void]

send the arabebebes to deal with melee

and snipe everything

but u gotta be on comms

[torn gorge]

just wait till dogs pounce on something and killsteal it

[grand perch]

Sarcastic

[torn gorge]

that way the arbites wont get their stack

|| please dont grief ||

[faint beacon]

I’ve started doing that when I’m forced into hound stacks

I’m considering DCing but like

That’s so fucking fruitless on Day 6?

it’s gonna be like this for a few weeks

[atomic void]

but they do, the shotpistol

[torn gorge]

im starting to see more lone wolf arbites fwiw

but at least their dogs are not as disruptive as smykers

[faint beacon]

I played LW Arby since Day 1

[torn gorge]

that really makes you want to quit the match

[faint beacon]

See what you do is

You wait till that witch is near a barrel

[unreal nova]

I don't care. Dog kills buff me and everything around me so all you would do is stop that.

[faint beacon]

And then mag dump into it

[atomic void]

shotpistol is funny when u think about it
its not a shotgun but also not a pistol
it has a shield because???? and the special sends u into a WESTSIDE MF animation

[torn gorge]

i was talking about keeping protocol

[faint beacon]

Notice lack of psyker

good

[torn gorge]

if you dont get the killing blow you wont get the stack

[past stratus]

I think that in Auric the Lone Wolf does a bit better than others but that's just my observation. I also noticed that lots of players got some bad habits leveling arbites and die some silly deaths in harder difficulties.

[torn gorge]

not that it matters considering higher difficulties but still

[unreal nova]

Oh. I run forceful so...

[torn gorge]

[faint beacon]

https://youtu.be/JTaSdsXlKt4?si=W3o8nAinwz5bRVlK

[torn gorge]

left capstone is a bag of goodies

[faint beacon]

Yeah because it’s this Cyber

Lmao

[torn gorge]

and its very fun

[young sequoia]

omg flashbacks to my childhood

[atomic void]

goated

[torn gorge]

also in regards to high auric, it really depends on the comp

[unreal nova]

I know, but I really wanna bully crushers.

[faint beacon]

I’d die for a singular shot pistol

[torn gorge]

dogs talents/left side let you ease your ammo requirements

and nades

[faint beacon]

Give it like double the ammo but maintain its safe gimmick of close range only

[atomic void]

i really like the shield aspect but yeah id love a singular version

[faint beacon]

Reserve ammo

[torn gorge]

if there are others that would benefit more from it

[faint beacon]

I want to Black ops 2 LARP

By blowing out their kneecaps

[past stratus]

I think Vet should get the corruption/gas talent, breathers are standard issue equipment for the astra militarum 😠

[torn gorge]

really people sleep on go get em/voltaic mandible combo

[faint beacon]

Wasted easily over what- 4 years of my life on zombies alone till the 3rd one dropped

[torn gorge]

the fact that the good boy is gonna maul all the lone shooters is a boon

[unreal nova]

And stupid lvls of impact helps bully. Though I really should try going more stagger.

[faint beacon]

Call me crazy

[torn gorge]

also the fact that doggo ignores poxbursters

[unreal nova]

The right ult.

[faint beacon]

But I think vet should be a class

[young sequoia]

[faint beacon]

With a talent that gives Ranged DR

[unreal nova]

I use that though. They have flak? Brittle.

[faint beacon]

like raw overall DR exclusive to only ranged hits, melee registers at full

[torn gorge]

you dont even need the brittleness talent

thats the fun part

voltaic is enough

[atomic void]

i died bunch of times to dogs pushing the burster i pushed right back at me

they gotta fix this asap

[unreal nova]

Look, if they die faster, am happy.

[faint beacon]

@atomic void

[atomic void]

BRO THIS

why

[torn gorge]

if you take unleashed brutality its honestly on you

[atomic void]

oh im playing lone wolf most of the time

its other people's dogs

[faint beacon]

Literally

[atomic void]

since every single lobby has like 2 arbites at least

[faint beacon]

And one minimum with a dog

[torn gorge]

[faint beacon]

God has graced you if you have a LW stack

[torn gorge]

people think that talent is mandatory and yuge value

[faint beacon]

I’ve only had it happen once

[unreal nova]

I think you are better off saving your point for something else if you REALLY want to skip Go get 'em.

[atomic void]

lone wolf stacks? i only use it for free nades

[faint beacon]

Stack as in

All players are Arbites Lone Wolves

[atomic void]

oh 4 stack yeah im dumb

[livid hill]

id love like a gunlugger ogryn thingy where you reload faster or some shite

[torn gorge]

if you swing by #arbites-class youll see most people running unleashed brutality and swearing by it

[faint beacon]

That shit is peak when it happens

[atomic void]

i had some funny arbites 4 stacks
i had 3 other randoms going lone wolf break the line
We just......ran over everything

it was so funny

[faint beacon]

Fuck even is unleashed brutality

[atomic void]

and another one i typed in chat and asked them to switch to casig and then we just robocoped all over the place

[torn gorge]

how about a stack of gunlugger rumber ogryns instead

[atomic void]

that's called mortis trials

with 1 singular ogryn in the game

[faint beacon]

That’s called DCing from the match

[atomic void]

this went from being really funny to annoying super quick

[faint beacon]

cause I still refuse to play with Glugger Rumbler players

[atomic void]

i have this on my dog build tho

its good

[faint beacon]

Oh that

I only use that on my Elite takedown build

Which is like 1

[unreal nova]

Other doggo target thing.

[faint beacon]

The other one is just dog passively existing build

And then everything else is Lone Wolf

[torn gorge]

the other is dog roaming and deleting all the lone ranged units that scattered around

[unreal nova]

It's probably better to save point than skill that imo.

[torn gorge]

also way more pounces in general

because of the roaming

so you get higher uptime on the left capstone

[unreal nova]

You mean more maxed forceful.

[torn gorge]

gotta go fast

[atomic void]

i wanna make a meme build with all the movement speed bonus perks

and casig stance

and literally just....press W

[unreal nova]

I like being a tanky thing that simply takes no damage and bullies crushers kay.

[torn gorge]

you can be that on most talent configurations

tbh

[unreal nova]

Yes, but going overkill tanky is nice.

[torn gorge]

i can see that

[unreal nova]

Also, colossus on tanky arby is hilarious.

What is this, 4 damage to toughness?

[torn gorge]

my main gripe is being unable to get both dog on ranged duty and BTL/forceful due to point tax

so in a way going forceful/BTL sort of leans into lone wolf

[atomic void]

its one of the few point taxes in the entire tree tbh

tree feels very generous lol

[torn gorge]

ye im not against it

[unreal nova]

Though I prefer voltaic on tanky to compensate for damage on bosses.

If they kill themselves on me, it's not my fault.

[torn gorge]

colossus?

oh

mortis

uhh

voltaic and the hybrid just have better synergy imo

was also a bit of a disappointment that the gun centric choice is kind of meh as well

[atomic void]

colossus is peak on marty zealot

u solve it's biggest weakness

[torn gorge]

you can just magdump bolter with that as usual

[atomic void]

and keep all the crazy buffs

[unreal nova]

I don't shoot except trappers.

So voltaic or colossus is more for me.

[torn gorge]

i have played very little of zealot in mortis

mainly because its kinda meh

[unreal nova]

Volt mostly for shock melee and instakill.

[torn gorge]

compared to other classes

although

20s incendiary nades are fun

[unreal nova]

But yeah, I mostly did it to see the 10 sec dog bomb.

[torn gorge]

ogryn and vet are the 2 strongest classes there

ES vet with bolter

infinite ammo

[unreal nova]

Bleed shock every 10 sec funni.

[faint beacon]

Tbf you still could you just gotta find out what to sacrifice at the top or bottom

I’ve never really had moments of like

Damn I wish I had less tax nodes on Arby like ever

[unreal nova]

Is just vet.

Taxes everywhere.

[faint beacon]

I just go oh shit I can’t get it? Okay let me re-arrange this and I’m all good

[torn gorge]

eh

there is quite the opportunity tax

[unreal nova]

Vet is just, you want smoke and survivalist? 2 points tax.

[torn gorge]

lot of nodes are in general rather impactful/more impactful that having voltaic doggo around

[unreal nova]

You want infil as well? More taxes.

[torn gorge]

i know

[atomic void]

i mostly did it for immortal martydom build
im not joking i was tanking sniper shot after sniper shot
you literally stop taking any dmg
the game also gives u two additional wounds so u can go crazier

[torn gorge]

i was there pre release so i have seen all the permutations

[unreal nova]

So much taxes.

[torn gorge]

but vet has been a solved puzzle for way too long

hence why i havent really updated loadouts in months now

[past stratus]

I feel like this here is the basis for every single build that I do. I maybe change the grenade but that's about it.

[unreal nova]

The problem is you gotta minmax to really do much on it.

Don't minmax and you fail breakpoints.

On a class that relies on kills.

[past stratus]

there is little variety and the variety doesn't drastically change gameplay

the things that would change the gameplay are just... not good.

[torn gorge]

depends on weapons

some talents change

if you wanna run helbore you can take agile engagement

for some bayonet action

as an example

although i generally do not run keystone-less

[past stratus]

yeah me neither, and even keystone i tend to just default for Weapon Specialist because it can work fairly well with most loadouts

and the marking one that I always forget the name is just annoying to use

[torn gorge]

middle one gives easy access to party wide damage buff

so depending on pathing that can be used to achieve some breakpoints

iirc the knife6 bolter ES setup i have runs it

[past stratus]

sometimes I try to experiment but all the deviations look too expensive and out of the way which means sacrificing some of the tools that we have that make the class have at least some value. It feels like I'm griefing myself and my team

[unreal nova]

Or just purposely gimping myself for variety which is just not great and absolutely not fun at all.

[past stratus]

VoC and survivalist are the two things that are consistently valuable for the team, it used to be that we were good at sniping enemies too but nowadays Arbites can dog high value targets while also being insanely tanky 😭

[torn gorge]

Still can't snipe as fast as ES

[gilded wraith]

How does smoke grenade fair in mortis?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-lightning-thunder-electricity-gif-15861194

If you're lucky you get AoE shock smoke

[past stratus]

in theory, ES requires you to skillfully click heads. Dog requires you to spam tag in a general direction 💀

[unreal nova]

You don't get that, you just sad vet noises.

[torn gorge]

Enough weapons have very generous aim assist that the aim requirement itself is rather lenient

And there are also weapons you can get away with just bodyshots

[unreal nova]

Dog doesn't need tag even. Go get 'em is enough. XD

[tame lodge]

Make sure to run infiltrate so you can get the indulgence that turns a teammate invisible as well

Infiltrate Jumpscare

[past stratus]

who here loves being in a group with 3 arbites and hearing the absolute symphony of tag spamming in hordes

[unreal nova]

This is Tide games, you turn off aim assist unless you enjoy being crushed.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chrollo-chrollo-lucilfer-hxh-hunterxhunter-1999-gif-1740478040876516389

[unreal nova]

If trapper or boss, sure.

[unreal nova]

Team go huh? It has happened to me. I just ran my 'nadier and my screen went greyscale.

[past stratus]

at least I can still have fun killing things when I play Ogryn 😌

[unreal nova]

Because the only thing more op all around is oggy.

[past stratus]

yeah

[lavish stump]

Combat shotgun is actually not a bad weapon for special sniping

Lol

[lavish stump]

Tho I am still thinking what blessings to use

[hardy comet]

really, right side? i thought everyone starts on middle nodes

[unreal nova]

Vet tree, yes. Middle is okay but usually right is better for the top.

Never tell ppl to go left.

[slim pagoda]

ever since arbites dropped haven't seen a vet in havoc, what gives

did all vets convert overnight

[unreal nova]

Why play vet when you can play vet but better? Lone wulf Arby or meleegryn with heavy stubber.

[tame lodge]

You wouldn't see a vet on havoc even before Arbites release

[slim pagoda]

thats crazy

[lavish stump]

what...

why tf did I level him then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7a66KGuIL8 is this build any good? have anyone tested it?
power sword + bolter with no keystone

[unreal nova]

You do see them... sometimes.

They potato the first usually.

[stable plaza]

Why play VET when arbiter does everything you do but way better and without the constant pain of being told to use smokes

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[stable plaza]

Yuh uh

[hot crag]

Fake news

Survivalist/instant team toughness/ focus target/field improvisation

Arby doesn't have

[gritty mural]

at the very least vet has much better boss damage

arbite is just a very durable generalist that can get value easily

[hot crag]

Arby is more of a selfish class imo, vet is better supporting the whole team

[unreal nova]

Only if you minmax into it.

So you won't have half those support nodes.

[raw needle]

real and true

[sudden cedar]

Because the Arbitrator has Survivalist and Field Improv.

[topaz lance]

This is true except for survivalist.

[deep bone]

Yea but Arby don’t got Inquisitor drip like vet

So I’m gonna keep playing vet

[grand perch]

nah thanks i dont wanna look like a warhammer fantasy isekai

[dry cloak]

I only bpught wepon skins for now

Maybe next month ill buy something

[grand perch]

my friend bought the current psyker robes and now it looks like ive got a cultist from warcraft 3 in my team

[dry cloak]

Heh they do look nice

Like them most from current rotation

[lavish stump]

I kinda went for this build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f452771-a319-47fc-b2a6-a61e0ff33d62

open for recommendations

I am thinking of dropping field improv for focus target

[bold sierra]

i WANT A VETERAN FOR HAVOC 40 GOD DAMMIT

guys PLAY MORE VETERAN :((((

[brave acorn]

You do it first

[lavish stump]

stamina regen or gunner res?

[past stratus]

idk stamina regen is something you ever go out of your way to get

[sick sluice]

gunner res

just gotta manage stam better

[young sequoia]

throw in a little 1x stamina regen spice

[neon estuary]

i use stamina regen to recover from the deadshot perk

[sick sluice]

if we're throwing in spice id rather prescience

[neon estuary]

hmmm... how do you get a pic of a whole talent tree? to show what perks ya pick?

[unreal nova]

Most just use gameslantern and just either screenshot there or save as build and link.

[neon estuary]

alright, thanks... just thinking of mine if is good enough

[unreal nova]

If you really wanna take it ingame... There is a mod to shrink trees down, but IDK if it was patched for Arby.

[neon estuary]

there we go

not sure if determined is useful...

[willow tendon]

cursed

[deep bone]

What Blessings should I run on the Heavy Sword

I wanna run that with the Helbore Mk.III

[deep bone]

I personally like Frags with Exe stance lets you control hordes easier

[neon estuary]

yeah but i need krak grenades to deal with bosses and armored targets while i use recon lasgun or boltgun to deal with the crowd

still if the determined perk isn't useful then whats the point of having it when the enemy kept shooting you and interfere your aiming?

[sudden cedar]

Truth be told.

Kraks will deal a good amount of single target damage against armoured targets.

No doubt about that.

Shredder Frags will deal with everything the same way however

And you get more of them.

We had this discussion a few days ago.

[neon estuary]

huh.... then what about using it against bosses then?

[grand perch]

what weapons do you want to run

[sudden cedar]

It will apply bleed

And you have your melee for that

[grand perch]

kraks are bad against bosses, their damage just isnt enough. only good to stagger them

kraks are considered by some to be the worst blitz ability in the game. i would tend to agree

[neon estuary]

well i mostly use recon lasgun or boltgun

[grand perch]

2 very different guns that

[neon estuary]

i'm more focus on infantry grinding, thats my job as a veteran

[unreal nova]

Only good in mortis if you wanna gamble on the 50% 1 krak ded DH funni.

[lavish stump]

is this outdated?

veteran weapon tier list

[past stratus]

Longshot and Deadshot, ES and MMF. That's a rarety right there

[past stratus]

No

[neon estuary]

dueling swords broken?

[unreal nova]

Chainsword A tier means trashfire list.

Chainsword atm is like Inf las.

[past stratus]

Chainsword is a decent horde clearer

[unreal nova]

Needs buffing.

[past stratus]

wait I think it is outdated because I think Claw sword is a little better now, right?

[lavish stump]

so generaly a good idea would be use knife on vet

[unreal nova]

No. Power Sword.

[lavish stump]

power sword has bad mobility

[unreal nova]

Knoife only if you know what you are doing.

You do NOT have horde clear with it.

[past stratus]

Weapons have purpose, the dagger is generally good if you need mobility and single target damage on your melee weapon

[unreal nova]

Especially not in havoc.

[past stratus]

they are not one size fits all choices

[unreal nova]

So if you bring bolter, you are karked.

Unless you wanna just have ppl babysit you on hordes.

[grand perch]

you can basically redistribute all of these points for recon or bolter

[neon estuary]

.........

[grand perch]

try going for some of these, generelly speaking

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e435bd1-a582-4e6d-97ec-6e79c097de1d/big-doms-havoc-40-krak-grenades
using this rn

[grand perch]

forgot to mark shredder

[grand perch]

awful build for 40

kraks are already shit for the amounts of armor and lack of CC compared to shredder

[neon estuary]

such complicated situation i'm in but ok....

[lavish stump]

the dude is using it in 40 tho

[grand perch]

yeah and i cleared 40 with a double barrel and smokes

[lavish stump]

can you give me suggestion then

[grand perch]

doesnt mean its good

[lavish stump]

cause I am bolter nerd

[past stratus]

Twinned blast is definitely a choice

[grand perch]

we could start by not using slaughterer on powersword

brutal momentum and power cycler is infintely better

like...except power cycler everytrhing sucks on that sword

[lavish stump]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-10958450238748380204

can you give me your build suggestion for a bolter build?

[past stratus]

Bolter without One Motion also sounds like a bad time

[lavish stump]

I use bolter against elites and special sniping

puncture kinda just finishes them off

[grand perch]

quick look at talent tree for bolter id rather to like this if i were to use voc with it

[unreal nova]

Twinned kraks is a spicy thing with luck, you can kill more if the split or they both home into same target.

[lavish stump]

so twin blast stays?

[grand perch]

i personally wouldnt use it but its not bad

[lavish stump]

I'd love to see your perfect build suggestion tho

cause I really hate fucking plasma gun

I know its powerful I just don't like it

[past stratus]

I tested Twinned the other day when all the grenadier videos started popping up in my youtube feed. And it was like 1 or 2 procs every 10 grenades 😭

[grand perch]

thats kind of the thing

[past stratus]

bro I don't wanna gamba in my darktide

[grand perch]

too luck based

[unreal nova]

Every 10? That's lucky. My no twinned streak is 50+

[grand perch]

but the damage value of 2 for the price of one, especially the way bleed damage stacks up is nice

[lavish stump]

maybe for the emperror instead of twinned blast

idk

[grand perch]

desperado, lower right tree is good

[unreal nova]

At some point, I think the game just hates me.

[past stratus]

that's just a -1 talent on most of your games 💀

[unreal nova]

Is why if I share my build, I rather give the alternative one where skip twinned for born leader.

[lavish stump]

and also I have never ever got value from field improvisation outside of free grenades

lol

[unreal nova]

The 'nades are for your teammates.

[past stratus]

Field improv gets the most value for me, clearing corruption

and wounds

[lavish stump]

I got 6 krak grenades last game lol

throwing at pack of crushers

[unreal nova]

Unless you are last one alive to clutch...

Did you just double dip for kraks...

[past stratus]

I already posted what I usually go for as far as talents go

[past stratus]

here

[unreal nova]

I give up. I'm gonna go play some merge game or something.

[lavish stump]

no I mean I threw 6 grenades at the same time

each of grenade I threw was doubled

[serene bough]

Field improv for yourself is acceptable when you pack 16 shredders and a bistol

[lavish stump]

consecutively

[past stratus]

never play gachas

[unreal nova]

Oh, I always pity.

I'll pull on AFK Journey and show all of you what I mean.

[past stratus]

lmao

[unreal nova]

If you want.

[past stratus]

masochism

[lavish stump]

@grand perch what about bolter blessings

[unreal nova]

I still think better the oggy gets a refill first.

[unreal nova]

Sadomaso.

[grand perch]

sadly im no expert on bolter breakpoints in h40

i do this

[lavish stump]

same as I lol

tho desperado is nice I think I get something better

[grand perch]

mainly for increased effectivenes against ogryn packs and bosses. i think gunner BPs are a bit iffy in this setup tho

[lavish stump]

idk

[serene bough]

Oggy can have my field improv no problem

As long as no greasy zealot uses im okay

[past stratus]

even hammer of the Emperor sounds unsure about what to do with the Spear bolter

[lavish stump]

lmao

I am shocked to see no arbites

[grand perch]

nah he recommends either pinning + shattering for quick bursts (as in magdump situations), or puncture / surgical / cavalcade for more general use

[past stratus]

yeah idk much about the Spear Bolter but I wouldn't go surgical on it

[plain osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/74fPZQvrBNA?si=DpX0PkKpPP58MT4F

Still my favorite voiceline to this day

[night marten]

Bro professional get's shit on by everyone.

But bro an cook if you give him the chance.

[loud belfry]

i barrel him to make sure he doesnt have that chance

[neon estuary]

a complicated build but trouble is conflicted between executioner's stance and focus target...

[past stratus]

I've always been professional, I tried the the Cadian because people kept saying he was the best but I coudn't stand it

[grand perch]

surgical is fantastic tho

[past stratus]

professional is perfect for veteran imo

[past stratus]

I know, I use it on the Helbore it is probably my most used blessing. I just don't think it is worth on other weapons

[grand perch]

surgical is very recommended if you actually aim shots with bolter

[lavish stump]

is shock maul any good

[midnight totem]

Yes

[hardy comet]

what weapon we betting they gonna add for next weapon update?

[grand perch]

none for vet

hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[unreal nova]

Like don't think about it. Every class will get another first knowing how things go.

[lavish stump]

like power sword good?

cause power sword fucking rocks

[midnight totem]

I think shock maul is vet's third best melee weapon atm

power sword and knife are top two, very close to each other

shock maul's not a far third either

[hardy comet]

they promised vet gets a weapon next time

but betting it will be like arbi and vet get it

[unreal nova]

Yes, this year, could be 31st Dec.

[hardy comet]

betting next major update it will be added

maybe in 3 months

watch it be melta finally and its for vet and zealot

[unreal nova]

Plasma pistol.

[hardy comet]

that one will be nice

[unreal nova]

I mean, the laziest is hellgun. Recolour the scab gunners' gun.

[hardy comet]

would love to see plasma pistol skins with different plasma glow

isnt hell gun just the improved lasgun?

or is that hotshot?

[unreal nova]

Yes, but shoots faster.

[unreal nova]

Hot shot slang name.

So minigun but las.

[sudden cedar]

Hot-Shot Lasgun is the official name, while troopers often refer to it as Hellgun

[hardy comet]

really wouldnt fit because the rapidfire lasgun is already the recon las gun

plus would be heavy so good luck keeping up with your team while its equiped

[sudden cedar]

Hellguns can be used for semi-automatic and rapid fire(presumably full auto)

[final hamlet]

Veteran Auras feel a bit weak or small, which should I pick, the little 5% of Damage or the little 5% of sprint speed?

[sudden cedar]

As said before, it requires a backpack with power cells and other equipment to properly function

@final hamlet Survivalist is what everyone would say.

[final hamlet]

the 1% of ammo for Elite and Special every 5 seconds?

[sudden cedar]

@hardy comet While we do have a the Recon Lasgun, the Hellgun is prized for armour-penetrating capabilities

@final hamlet Correct

[hardy comet]

any time i look up hotshot/ hellgun it just tells me they are lasguns but improved to do more damage

[sudden cedar]

However, Hellguns/Hell-type weapons are usually only issued as armaments to the Tempestus Scions(Stormtroopers).

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hot-Shot_Lasgun

[neon estuary]

Cadian kasrkins and deathkorp of krieg's grenadiers also have hellguns

[unreal nova]

It just feels like we should have been Scions.

[final hamlet]

the 1% sounds very little, but will prob good on higher difficulties with more Elite and Special I assume, thanks, I will switch to that !

[sudden cedar]

Now, Darktide Operatives, at least the main 4, operate as part of an Inquisitorial Warband, which means that depending on the influence of the Inquisitor, Grendyl, there is the possibility that they can aquire Hellguns.

[lavish stump]

is power mace on par with power sword?

[lavish stump]

shock mace*

[neon estuary]

hellguns would be nice.... depends if they wanna make high damage LMG or DMR out of them

[hardy comet]

i can see the hotshot volley gun being a weapon for ogryns just because they wont be hindered by the weight of the power pack

[sudden cedar]

Would they? I have my doubts. There are a lot of Veterans that already only know how to shoot and not to melee.

[narrow widget]

ammo economy important for big dakka

[unreal nova]

Could even be a trust 30 weapon and nobody would really complain.

[hardy comet]

that or a multigun for ogryn modified to have a ogryn grip

[sudden cedar]

Ogryns would usually only have Ogryn-proof weaponry. I can't really see them using rather delicate Las-weapons

As Ogryns are known to use Ranged Weapons as improvised Melee Weapons.

Which wouldn't really be good for such a weapon.

[hardy comet]

delicate las weapons, skip to cutscene of a trooper pulling a lusgun out of the mud

[sudden cedar]

Well yes.

But using them as melee weapons is another thing.

[hardy comet]

hense why i also considered the multi gun

because if its fitted to a vhicle, it should also be able to resist small arms damage

[sudden cedar]

There is also the option of a Hellpistol and something called Hotshot Marksman Rifle

[hardy comet]

i mean, hotshot marksman rifle just sounds like a higher damage long las

[sudden cedar]

There is not much know about that weapon.

[hardy comet]

watch them end up adding the long las as a weapon, make the zoom on it just the same as the heavy stubber and same fire rate as hellbor but no charge timer

[lavish stump]

is shock mace on par with power sword?

[hardy comet]

idk, power sword has kind of been bad since it got nerfed originally

[lavish stump]

wdym bad it is one of the best weapons on veteran

[sudden cedar]

It has awful mobility.

[lavish stump]

I know that

but that its only downside

tho

[sudden cedar]

That is a quite punishing downside if you mess up.

[steep flower]

In combination with bad push att (as in vs hordes)

[lavish stump]

so is shock mace better?

[hardy comet]

oh boy do i love having to do an activation animation just to make my weapon be on par with a dualing sword, great sword or pickaxe

[steep flower]

Try it & deduct yourself

[lavish stump]

I know I can just run DS and not even think about it

[lavish stump]

no

[steep flower]

Cope

[lavish stump]

yes

what is good then lol

like on vet specificaly

[hardy comet]

the mace actually does more damage than power sword xD

[steep flower]

Whatever works for the build/your range option/playstyle

[hardy comet]

power sword needs a rework

[narrow widget]

but not as good horde clear

[steep flower]

Horde clear yeah; horde control tho is 👌

Not to mention nice dmg vs armor

[narrow widget]

i feel like power sword is just one of those weapons that is good into most things but then has one mechanic that really holds it back ((((keeping the sword powered))))

[hardy comet]

if they rework the power sword to just work the same as relic blade then i might use it

[unreal nova]

Is why ppl say it needs to get the heat mechanic.

[hardy comet]

i really hate needing to activate the sword ever 2 or 3 swings just to actually be effective

[lavish stump]

isn't it same for shock mace

[hardy comet]

thing is they might need to just replace all the perks with the same perks relic blade has

shock mace special attack is just poke and zap

[narrow widget]

youre thinking of crusher

[lavish stump]

oh yes

[hardy comet]

crusher is kind of just thunderhammer light

[lavish stump]

what are even good options outside of DS? DS is in its own tier

like general usage on all content

from auric to havoc 40

[hardy comet]

need to try if devils claw buff is good still

[narrow widget]

combat blade and probably the chain weapons

[hardy comet]

heavy sword seems pretty alright

[neon estuary]

i'm a little curious, why is the dualing sword broken after i look at the ranking pic?

[lavish stump]

it can do everything

yeah horde clear kinda bad

but general has a shit tons of damage

and a good moveset as mobility

[neon estuary]

you mean.... ridiuclously op?

[faint beacon]

Yes

[lavish stump]

2 tap crushers

yeah

[unreal nova]

Name me another weapon that isn't on oggy that can 4 hit a crusher with 0 talents?

[hardy comet]

because uncanny strike and precog are both op perks, so op that people only chose either one

[unreal nova]

Using only heavies.

[lavish stump]

2 tap if you use thrust

[faint beacon]

A melee weapon needs draw backs to be considered balanced but DS really doesn’t have one at all

[neon estuary]

well, no wonder the dualing sword is a weapon for a gentleman after all....

[faint beacon]

Power Sword has a draw back called very terrible mobility so you have to think of using stamina and dodging

[hardy comet]

you get 24% damage for just poking the enemy face for 3.5 seconds... and it stacks 5 times

[lavish stump]

I might go with chain sword

but idk

[hardy comet]

i do like chain axe

specificaly the mark 12

[serene bough]

Ive always preferred the knife

[lavish stump]

I am kinda thinking between chainsword and axe

axe I used I kinda liked it but it felt lacking

like chain weapons are GREAT on zealot

but vet not so

[serene bough]

Chaxe is tolerable but the sword needs massive buffs

Its very underperformed rn

[sudden cedar]

What actually is great on a Zealot.

Duelling Sword, Knife.

[serene bough]

Relic blade is good too I think

[sudden cedar]

And of course below that is a slew of other weapons.

[serene bough]

I dont play zealot wouldn't know

[narrow widget]

chain weapons again
t hammer

[sudden cedar]

Thunder Hammer is trash.

Unfortunately.

[narrow widget]

t hammer has its use in havoc with all the monstrosity spawns

[unreal nova]

Newly buffed evis.

[sudden cedar]

A Zealot with Thunder Hammer is not needed for bosses in havoc

[lavish stump]

precognition is basically just +50dmg all time lol

[narrow widget]

like i dont think id ever turn down a t hammer martyrdom zealot

[sudden cedar]

It only puts the zealot in a bad spot.

[crude wind]

THammer is A+ in Havoc, absolutely deletes monsters. Just need to know how to play it

[hardy comet]

at least it is only on weak spots but still, should be like 25% damage for dodge

[serene bough]

Is evis better than relic blade now

[crude wind]

Nope

Better tho

[hardy comet]

thought might be on par now

[serene bough]

I see

[crude wind]

It suffers from slow wind ups on it's heavies still

[serene bough]

I would like to use chain sword and not gimp myself

[crude wind]

Not great into armour etc

But it's not awful, it's not terrible

It works

[lavish stump]

also special attack is busted

[unreal nova]

It's just usable now. Decent but not like GOOD.

[serene bough]

I see

[hardy comet]

didnt the fake nerfs mention it would be replaced with parry?

[lavish stump]

it is not lol

[crude wind]

They did yes

[lavish stump]

it is not yet

[crude wind]

He said fake nerfs

[lavish stump]

people generally use mk4 rapier

tho I have not even tried others outside mk4 lol

[unreal nova]

Is not fake, more like early leaks.

[lavish stump]

are they as good?

[faint beacon]

Very much needed nerfs imo lmao

[crude wind]

Timing is everything

[faint beacon]

“Veteran can’t play Havoc without DS or plasma!”

[narrow widget]

dueling sword got me like bilbo with the one ring

[serene bough]

Only things beyond the DS I would like to see nerfed are soul blaze, uncanny strikes, and golden toughness

[faint beacon]

Nah Skullcrusher also

[serene bough]

Otherwise id prefer buffs

Idk enough about skullcrusher

[faint beacon]

Overpowered

Very overpowered

[crude wind]

There are so many problematic things

[hardy comet]

only weapon rn i want to see nerfed is dualing sword

[narrow widget]

flame staff

[crude wind]

Rumbler is the most broken weapon in the game

[narrow widget]

🙏

[faint beacon]

Turn the game off for everyone the gun

[crude wind]

Yeah, I fucking hate it lol

[unreal nova]

I feel like it depends on the weapon.

[faint beacon]

Most annoying thing you can get matched into lately is a 3 cyber mastiff stack

[serene bough]

I know but these items are jsut what id prefer nerfed, otherwise I'd mostly prefer buffs

[crude wind]

Guess no one having fun today lol

[serene bough]

But rumbler and skullcrusher are also valid

[hardy comet]

even if its just nerfing uncanny and precog instead of dualing sword itself

[crude wind]

Buff underperformers, nerf massive over performers, leave middle alone

[hardy comet]

that feels like less an issue of flame staff being good and more voidstrike/voidblast staffs are weak

[faint beacon]

Infinite cleave

[narrow widget]

both can be true at the same time

[faint beacon]

That’s an issue

[hardy comet]

ahh yes, i love my infinate cleave weapon that does zero damage to anything with armour

[narrow widget]

where are you getting that from

[hardy comet]

flame staff is good at one thing alone

[faint beacon]

Blaze away is right there

[narrow widget]

flame staff shits out damage on armor as well

[lavish stump]

nah other marks of DS are legit dogshit lmao

[crude wind]

You can get close to max armour strip on flame staff

[lavish stump]

the only good is mark 4

[crude wind]

Nau

They all good

[unreal nova]

Giving strike inf cleave wouldn't change that much. It would just be plasma. XD

[crude wind]

4 is just Uber cracked

[lavish stump]

I don't like 2h

[narrow widget]

4 is just the most braindead mark imo

[faint beacon]

Talking about removing all instances of infinite cleave

[narrow widget]

the others are good as well

[unreal nova]

But for flamers would make no sense though.

[serene bough]

I hope the buff the ilas soon too

Its my favorite

[faint beacon]

No it would you make elites and specials have an increased mass against it so it either stop at them or only go a few inches forward

[serene bough]

🙂

[faint beacon]

2 years later

[hardy comet]

just checked

was only doing good damge with armour from random head pops popping

[unreal nova]

Which makes no sense. If you shot a flamer at people, it'll just cook everyone.

Unless they were built like walls.

And by that, I mean concrete walls.

[lavish stump]

they need to give veteran a nuke grenade like for ogryn

[crude wind]

Me too

[faint beacon]

More people standing in front of a fire wall is less of the chance of the fire hitting you

I don’t see your point

And my point still stands that Inferno and Flamer shouldn’t have inf cleave

[crude wind]

They should not

[sonic kayak]

Frags with Tinkerer give them the same radius as Ogryn frag bombs

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-7560275565266243199

[unreal nova]

The heat alone will still hurt though. But everyone does that wiggle anyway.

[faint beacon]

Psyker mains in shambles in regards to havoc if it ever happens LMAO

[unreal nova]

Think still smaller with both it and lethal.

[crude wind]

Whole class is propped up by unhealthy dot/brittle interaction or Trauma inf cleave

[narrow widget]

psyker mains have to deal with the warp
theyre always in shambles anyway

[crude wind]

Really bad spot to be in design wise

[unreal nova]

Frags are like 20m radius after everything.

[hardy comet]

and what, just have the fire just fall dead stop at the first enemy? completely ruining the only reason to use a flame thrower?

[narrow widget]

it shouldnt go through bulwark shields is all im sayin

[unreal nova]

The heat alone should force them to drop the shield.

[serene bough]

Idk they're buffing weapons now

[faint beacon]

Assuming I’m saying trash, if it’s a larger hitmass enemy it should stop on them

[serene bough]

Maybe by end of the year

[hardy comet]

ahh yes, the weapon that shoots clouds of fire would not be able to just go around a shield to cook the enemy on the other side reguardless of the slab of metal between

[unreal nova]

Is why I said it makes no sense.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[serene bough]

Breathe in deep

[hardy comet]

i honestly want them to add melta gun, but its just all existing plasma guns are converted to melta gun and the "new" weapon is plasma gun that actually shoots balls of plasma

[serene bough]

They'll add eventually

[deep bone]

Plasma Pistol when

[hardy comet]

watch them add plasma pistol and it works more like a plasma weapon than the plasma gun

[deep bone]

Fr

[hardy comet]

just like how they added relic blade being a better power sword than the power sword

[deep bone]

I want it absolutely blast a heretic with a Plasma Pistol

[dusk osprey]

every time i hear that grenade go off next to me i stg i get war flashbacks to getting Fat Boy'd by rando engis in drg

[deep bone]

Inferno Pistol would be cool

[hardy comet]

side note, thought they would add a "malfuncioning" power sword for zealot but its got fire effects instead of power sword infinate cleave

[hardy comet]

do any guardsmen use it?

[deep bone]

Yea and Inquisitorial Troops

[hardy comet]

i would love to see ogruns get the stub cannon that the brute guys in necromunda use

even if its just a clean up "imperial guard approved" version of the stub cannon

[deep bone]

I wanna see more diverse weapon options for Vet

A Hotshot LasGun would be amazing

[hardy comet]

make the shot pistol (without shield) universal

[deep bone]

That would be cool

[hardy comet]

do you mean that as in just a better las gun or a minigun?

[deep bone]

The one that Scab Heavy Gunners use

It’s a heavy slower firing automatic LasGun that outputs a lot of damage

Give it a Overheat system

[hardy comet]

any time someoen asks for that i should just go into the meet grinder and kill a bullwark with the recon lasgun

[deep bone]

Yea but recon LasGun gives me a headache

I can’t justify using it without running Elysian Drop Trooper equipment

The Accatran Pattern LasGun is used by drop troopers exclusively

My brain won’t let me use it

Plus Hotshot LasGun would be cool af

Would be a heavy weapon option for vet

[hardy comet]

again, good luck moving at half the speed that the rest of your team does

[torn gorge]

wouldnt that require a backpack to begin with?

[hardy comet]

good luck dodging a crusher overhead because you cant dodge nearly as far

[deep bone]

Technically the Plasma gun we have in game uses a Backpack in lore

[topaz lance]

I do believe that they'll eventually release a hotshot lasgun because it's a popular demand, but I also really don't see it being different than the recon lasguns. The designspace is already occupied.

[hardy comet]

no it doesnt

[deep bone]

But they didn’t add that for gameplay purposes

[deep bone]

The M35 Magnacore does

[hardy comet]

monkeys paw, they add it but its for ogryn

[deep bone]

Wait nvm

We’re using the Mk.II

Yea it’s the weaker non backpack version

[topaz lance]

hehe I think Ogryns aren't trusted with las weapons normally.

[torn gorge]

dont hold your breath for weapons that require a backpack

[hardy comet]

key word, normally

[deep bone]

They could add it as a skin for the recon lmao

[hardy comet]

thing is in lore ogruns have like 3 weapons

[deep bone]

I will be happy seeing the Infantry Las get buffed

[left comet]

is the helbore good?

[deep bone]

Kantreal Mk,VII my beloved

[deep bone]

Yes

[dusk osprey]

was just abt to say that it's probably gonna be oggy's lasweapon atp loll

[hardy comet]

at least that way it wont just be a better recon lasgun

[deep bone]

Ogryn is fine for weapons I can’t really think of anything they can give them

Maybe a two handed hammer cause why not

[left comet]

which mark is best for the helbore?

[deep bone]

In a perfect world fatfish will give us a Plasma Pistol for Vet

NCOs use them

Or a Melta Gun

Or hell weapon customisation

[dusk osprey]

i want a cowboy veteran as a melee weapon that i can swing around like a chaos spawn for the next ogryn weapon

[topaz lance]

Actually, I am not sure which often requested weapon for vet would actually b interesting gameplay-wise.
Melta would probably just be a double barrel with a broader cone and a focus on damage vs. armored. It doesn't seem engaging imo.

[narrow widget]

and infantry autogun and shredder autopistol will get buffed 🙏

[deep bone]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

I hate Autoguns lol

[topaz lance]

vigilant autoguns are probably the ranged weapons most due for a buff imo.

[hardy comet]

standard issue cadian plasmagun, cool let me check the cadian box real quick... no plasmagun back pack

[hollow ibex]

iag/shredder's ok tbh

[narrow widget]

i honestly forgot they existed

[topaz lance]

case in point

[hardy comet]

meltagun is dream, can likely be a plasma pistol

[deep bone]

Whenever I play vet I go down 2 paths I’m either using the most Lore accurate guard loadout or Inquisitor

[hardy comet]

imagine they add an infantry grenade launcher to vet and arbi

[faint beacon]

IAGs are in an okay spot. Shredder pistol is in a great spot

[narrow widget]

theyre so ammo hungry that literally anything else would be less detrimental to the team imo

[deep bone]

And Autoguns aren’t standard issue to the Guard anymore

[topaz lance]

now we're talking

[faint beacon]

The only three I can say are “bad from power creep” are Infantry Las, Chainswords, and Vigils

[hollow ibex]

use melee more

some guns just aren't meant to sprayed all match

[lavish stump]

scoreboard plugin did irrepirable damage to community

[grand perch]

never going to happen i bet

[narrow widget]

i hardly use ranged tho
and i hardly use autoguns/pistols anyway tbh

[deep bone]

Helbore feels amazing now

[torn gorge]

[deep bone]

So I’m happy about that

[hardy comet]

just not as strong as thrown grenades or ogryn launcher because gameplay but they have shown guardsmen models and arbi models with a grenade launcher

[lavish stump]

is it that good

[grand perch]

helbore is S tier

[hollow ibex]

then the ammo problems aren't applicable to you

[narrow widget]

but when i can only get a few magdumps out before running out of ammo it just doesnt feel good

[lavish stump]

I am considering to switching from boltor

[deep bone]

But as I said Autoguns aren’t standard to guard regiments now days so I rarely use them

PDFs use them

[hardy comet]

really if you want to run gun main vet you should use las so you can get free ammo on crit

[lavish stump]

what is dump stat for hellbore

[neon estuary]

the dualing sword isn't seem op to me

[hardy comet]

i belive they are standard issue to some regemenets, but all the cadian ones get las guns

[deep bone]

But the Guard don’t cause of the Logistical strain that transporting autogun ammo is bad

[narrow widget]

ammo

[grand perch]

specialised ork hunters like them a lot, since orks dont respect PEW PEW lasers. they flee quicker when using loud autoguns

[lavish stump]

ammo??

[narrow widget]

yea

[deep bone]

As of the 41st millennium Autoguns aren’t used nearly as much as Las weapons

[hardy comet]

not to mention they likely gave all conscripts on the morningstar autoguns because they are so cheep and any hive scum knows how to use one

[narrow widget]

id still like for the autoguns to be viable in havoc tho

[hardy comet]

yeah sure, let me just look at any non standard guardsmen kit

[deep bone]

Lasguns are superior to Autoguns anyway

The Ability to change the damage output on the fly and the fact they are easy to resupply and maintain is just amazing

[lavish stump]

ammo it is then I guess

are you for real tho

really dump ammo?

on hellbore?

[deep bone]

They are used by Militia and reserve forces

[narrow widget]

yea

[grand perch]

no

stability

[deep bone]

But lasguns are mass produced and significantly more potent at putting down most targets

[grand perch]

its a single shot rifle with charge up, stab is useless

[deep bone]

I believe the Mk.III is the best Helbore

I like the Mk.IV aswell

[lavish stump]

and the blessing would be?

[deep bone]

I use the Helbore with my Inquisitor Vet

Cause Ordo Hereticus Witch-Hunters use nearly everything lmao

[lavish stump]

what are best blessings for hellbore?

[grand perch]

helbore's surgical + weight of fire / armourbane / hotshot / falter

default 2nd pick would be weight of fire

[deep bone]

Weight of fire is amazing

[heavy rover]

Weight of fire with mk V helbore is hilarious

[hollow ibex]

i don't it's needed outside of mk iv

[lavish stump]

and what is best hellbore mark?

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I personally prefer surgical and armourbane

[hardy comet]

almost every single necromunda kit, auto guns. beast man kit, auto pistols. chaos cultists, auto pistols. and navy breachers justall use shotguns, arbits using their own shotguns too

[hollow ibex]

iv or iii

[deep bone]

Adeptus Arbites use their own standard of equipment that differ from the Guard

The Munitorum don’t give Autoguns to Mainline infantry anymore

[hardy comet]

key note, each major regement has their own versions of weapons, so kriegers dont use the same lasguns as cadians

[deep bone]

Yea

Kantreal M36 lasguns are used by standard regiments

Kriegers use the Lucius pattern

[lavish stump]

btw do I need to change anything in regards of my build based on your previous corrections on screenshot?

[deep bone]

Steel Legion use the Kantreal which usually has a shorter barrel and no stock

Catachan Use shortened M36 lasguns

[hardy comet]

so there is likely many more conflicts in the galaxy where some guardsmen regements are just getting eaten by nids or fighting orcs using auto guns

its just GW only really have up to date lore for kriegers and cadians for most part now

[torn gorge]

[deep bone]

Autoguns are used by Reserve forces and Planetary Defense forces but the standard is lasguns

[sonic kayak]

I'm pretty sure that some or most autoguns fire depleted uranium rounds no? I remember that somewhere

[torn gorge]

tfw no martini henry lasgun from praetorian guard

[deep bone]

So backwater regiments may have them

Autoguns suck anyway lol

[hardy comet]

for all we know they will redo catachan models sometime in the next 10 years and they get auto guns on the new models

[deep bone]

Probably

[lavish stump]

which perks should I put on hellbore?

[hardy comet]

so do las guns

[lavish stump]

flak+unyielding?

[deep bone]

No lasguns are great it’s just not great when fighting fucking demons and shit

[hardy comet]

las guns suck so bad they had to make special upgraded las guns as an excuse for why scions are actually compitent at killing

[deep bone]

But Las weaponry in lore is quite effective against lightly armoured targets

It’s just the guard have to fight ridiculous enemy’s

[lavish stump]

holy christ hellbore FUCKS UP CRUSHERS LMAO

[hardy comet]

las guns are great... if you are fighting anything that isnt wearing armour/ doesnt have natural resistances to damage.... so yeah, only good against the cannon fodder of any faction

[deep bone]

That’s why Plasma guns are fielded alongside Lasguns

[ancient path]

wish i could revoke some ppls auric storm survivor titles

dude goes down 3~ times, takes all medicae

while playing arbi

[deep bone]

Tyranid Gaunts and Traitorous Militarum fall to Lasguns

[ancient path]

get the hell out of auric

[deep bone]

It’s just when fighting overpowered shit obviously they are gonna suck

[hardy comet]

that is why guardsman instead of relying on a flashlight will instead use artillery, tanks and heavy weapons squads

[deep bone]

But heavy artillery and armour support can help with that

Yea

[hardy comet]

hello, welcome to 40k, EVERYTHING IS OVER POWERED

[deep bone]

Yea

The guard have it rough

[hardy comet]

you see that little baby cannon fodder enemy for the tyranids? well that thing can shrug off boltor rounds

[deep bone]

That’s why they are my favourite cause even against all the broken shit in the universe they still stand vigilant against them

[lavish stump]

what are good breakpoints to get on hellbore?

[unreal nova]

Except humans with flashlights.

Unless big tanks show up.

[deep bone]

Bane blade moment

[hardy comet]

the guard only stand against any enemy because they will just throw enough meat into the a trench that it creats a new trench on top while they wait for the weapons that actually deal damage to rearm

[deep bone]

They died for the Emperor

Cadia Stands

[hardy comet]

guardsmen logic is just, throw enough infantry to soak up bullets from the orks while our heavy weapons take out any major targets

[unreal nova]

So the actual vets are all PTSDing messes.

[deep bone]

Based

Yea being a Veteran of the Astra Militarum must be a nightmare