veteran-class

[elder vessel]

New Vet Talent: Volleyball
Underhand grenades deal 100% more damage, smokes have a wider radius

[unreal nova]

So free nukes for me. 100% more damage?

[torn gorge]

smoke have the same radius as dreg bomber gas smoke

[unreal nova]

More blinds for all.

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1lmdp3a/combat_shotguns_still_feel_like_theyre_missing_a/

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[faint beacon]

I dont think they know its supposed to be a more ammo lighter variant of Exec Shotties

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think they op tested the new agri

[deep bone]

What blessings should I run on the Bolt Pistol

[terse bluff]

lethal proximity is pretty fun and good for crowds

[deep bone]

Ye

[spare wolf]

Veteran is kinda crappy at high lvl havoc idk

Range focused build that is

Shouting build is still feels okay

[deep bone]

I’m still gonna play vet tho tbh

It’s my favourite of the classes

[calm shard]

only really works with 2 guns

Helbore can one shot havoc 40 crushers which is...absurd

Bolter 2 shots crushers, maulers, and reapers, and 1 shots everything else

both do extremely high boss damage if your aim is on poiint too

You can single handedly annihilate a monstrosity before it even reaches your team if you don't miss

Also speaking of Helbore's absurd one shots it does so much damage that it still one shots most enemies even with pus hardened skin

Which is relevant to mention since that god awful modifier is back

[lavish stump]

is this good build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2UtjAJ10j0?

[severe jolt]

why not, I dunno, try playing with it? that's the only way you can know for sure

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a74fcb9-e4da-428c-92a1-d09ea2256ba8/fuplaayz-havoc-plasma-veteran

[elder vessel]

the brainrot build

[lavish stump]

why

[hollow ibex]

plasma, voc and DS

[faint beacon]

The stranglehold Plasma + DS + VOC has on the Veteran community should be studied

[torn gorge]

nah

it was the same for knife zealot previously

[elder vessel]

I have no such weaknesses

[faint beacon]

now its Flamer + DS + FOTF for Zealot

noticing a..

pattern

here...

[torn gorge]

flamer never truly left

[elder vessel]

1000 deaths on chaxe before I touch duelling sword

[torn gorge]

if you perform like one of the vets i just played with, its a matter of weeks at most

[elder vessel]

Allow me to rephrase

100000000 deaths on chaxe before I touch duelling sword

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox if shredder frags, puncture to help with breakpoints.

[deep bone]

Yea I use Frags

So I will run that

[terse bluff]

you have changed my life for the better

new fav weapon

[torn gorge]

easy movetech as well

[deep bone]

Is the Heavy Sword any good for Vet

Or should I ignore it

[torn gorge]

just learn how to L1H2 loops vs hordes and mix PA vs elites

also run with a 3 stam curio

[torn gorge]

its a blender

until you have to face carapace

[deep bone]

True but I have Bolt Pistol

So I can shoot carapace enemy in face and he dies so

[unreal bone]

Chat if Fartshart doesn't release this set soon I'm going to lose it

[deep bone]

That’s a cool set

[unreal bone]

Yeah I agree

Too bad it was leaked almost 3 fucking years ago

[deep bone]

But happy with my vet

Actual Inquisitor drip

[unreal bone]

I want that green set for my Veteran so I can do this.

1 sec

Imagine this set

with the green top instead of the red one.

[unreal nova]

Then you burn all stam pa it's face.

[unreal nova]

Errr, no. 7 shots to kill a crusher.

[torn gorge]

just h1,special

but takes time

heavy sword is not exactly an anti armour weapon

[deep bone]

Cadian 110th

My beloved

[unreal nova]

Trust me, I run knoife bistol since forever. Don't bother shooting. And yes, all 7 has to hit the head.

[unreal bone]

When are we gonna get real psion armor.

[deep bone]

Never

[unreal bone]

It's literally

in the game

[grand perch]

The Styx recolour of the same set was in the last rotation

[unreal bone]

Styx?

[grand perch]

This one

[unreal bone]

It's still in rotation but

that doesn't work with the psion helmet

[lavish stump]

lasgun feels like shit

I get it has no recoil but it is bad against flak

[hollow ibex]

lasgun actually has a lot of recoil in this game

[unreal bone]

It's been over a year since it was put into the game

[torn gorge]

just ES

[unreal bone]

ES?

[torn gorge]

executioner stance

[unreal bone]

oh

[lavish stump]

what is dump stat for energy rifle

or something

[unreal bone]

Energy rifle?

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-raccoon-raccoon-pedro-raccoon-meme-memes-gif-11191191849383051209

[severe jolt]

this + the scion helmet = 10/10

[lavish stump]

Plasma gun I mean

[faint beacon]

Rashad Arby is fair and balanced

[lavish stump]

Idk which weapon to use in melee

Like ds is good but I hate it

[hollow ibex]

rashad ps knife hsword taxe

take your pick

[lavish stump]

Rashad has bad horde clear

Vet generally has bad horde clear

[unreal nova]

If you hate those, well uhh, there's less efficient choices like shovel.

Also, ps is Power Sword.

That's all the horde clear.

[lavish stump]

Oh ps seems nice

[torn gorge]

until high havoc rashad still deletes hordes and everything else

[elder vessel]

rashad has bromentum

[lavish stump]

What would be top pick for melee for vet?

If we ignore ds

[elder vessel]

power sword probably?

[torn gorge]

PS/knife6/rashad

[lavish stump]

Ps and plasma gun

Er nice

[torn gorge]

with the caveat that rashad loses some value in high havoc

but otherwise the roles/identities remain the same

[hollow ibex]

i'm sorry what

rashad is literally one of the best horde clear weapons in the game

but you do need a specific setup for it

check pins

it's basically either 0 or 100

if you build it wrong, it's utter trash

if you build it right, you're a god

[lavish stump]

I want to go as meta as possible

[hollow ibex]

rashad is meta

PS is slightly more meta

because havoc

[lavish stump]

I am aiming for havoc

[hollow ibex]

than take PS for sure

[faint beacon]

me running methhead shit like this in havoc and it works

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f285f2f-0c7c-452c-9c5b-0bb087f18c38/the-gale-h40-build

[lavish stump]

what blessing and breakpoints should I put on power sword?

@hollow ibex

[hollow ibex]

uhhh check pins

Hammer of the Emperor guide

most of it is still up to date, and the PS section is up to date for sure

[tropic notch]

What the scallop

[tropic notch]

Cara elites

[lavish stump]

ok idk why but plasma gun feels awful to use

it is very

idk

[elder vessel]

Maybe use a gun that is actually fun

[lavish stump]

revolver is not fun

[faint beacon]

Bolter

[lavish stump]

bolter is kinda in a same spot tho

I mean yeah plasma gun is fucking powerful

but to manage ammo AND THE OVERHEAT

hell no man that is stupidest thing ever

[unreal nova]

You have 7 shots or 8.

Is easy. The delay before shooting is worse.

[elder vessel]

You literally dont have to manage overheat, primary fire vents for you

[lavish stump]

delay is painful

[severe jolt]

gonna level with you here
yes it feels like absolute shit
but why not use weapons you actually LIKE using?
there's still a lot to choose from

[lavish stump]

like what

[elder vessel]

brautogun my beloved

[lavish stump]

what is viable in havoc?

[unreal nova]

Bistol, recon, hellbore.

[severe jolt]

Recon lasgun, revolver, bolt pistol.

[lavish stump]

they take too much time to kill elites

[unreal nova]

Though hellbore has similar delay shooting.

[severe jolt]

Y'know you don't have to rush through the entire map all at once?

[torn gorge]

this is just running in circles really

you are just asking the same questions repeatedly

[lavish stump]

arbites shoots 1-2 times from his shotgun and literally everything is dead

even bulwarks

and etc

I want similar kind of thing here

like I want to actually do damage and not just fucking wait for my gun to charge and etc

[torn gorge]

wanna top the leaderboards with selfish ammo consumption? play bolter ES

[lavish stump]

ES?

[torn gorge]

executioner stance

[elder vessel]

Exe stance

Classic Vet

[lavish stump]

oh never I hate that ability

nvm

I'll figure something out I guess

[grand perch]

You may have to manage your expectations

[severe jolt]

Play at a lower difficulty then. No one's gonna judge you for that. It's just a game.

[tropic notch]

This is the silliest thing I’ve heard

[torn gorge]

or just play ogryn or inferno psyker

[grand perch]

Try weapon specialist Revolver

[torn gorge]

if all you want is damage

[unreal nova]

Then play Arbites then.

[tropic notch]

Ws with hellbore and shock troop literally gives you inf ammo

Mk4 hellbore my beloved

[unreal nova]

Guy says Arbites gets 1-2 shots but doesn't just play Arbites...

Feels like bait since we all know the minmaxxing required on vet to hit breakpoints on the best weapons.

[torn gorge]

as if shotguns have much lower downtime than plasma

heat management when all you do is left click and auto vent

plus WS let you bypass reloads

[unreal nova]

Look, too hard for "newer" players.

[elder vessel]

Vet chat rn

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

"I wanna do damage and kill elites fast"
*is given the ability to do that exact thing*
"Ew no hate it

[unreal nova]

Is why, why not just play Arbites then?

[torn gorge]

variety is the spice of life

or so they say

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but then he complains about the small vet weapon pool not being his taste.

[faint beacon]

If thats so Vet to me atm is feeling like Chicken thats been cooked for too long and has 0 spices added to it

very dry

[unreal nova]

Can still be eaten, but you have to be starving.

Vet is still playable, but it struggles with everything.

Compared to the other classes.

[faint beacon]

Its still got purpose, its just incredibly dry

[severe jolt]

You can rescue dry chicken by cooking it with chicken flavor noodles.

[unreal nova]

Ammo dispenser.

[unreal nova]

That's buffing the class. Not really happening till after zealot.

Unlikely they'll surprise us with a double tree rework update.

[lavish stump]

I am switching to psyker I guess

cause vet feel incredibly dull and bad to me compared to any other class rn

[severe jolt]

...I'm talking about chicken

[lavish stump]

tho psyker lacks survivability a lot

yeah he has shit tons of damage

but no way to save his ass

[unreal nova]

I'm translating it into the vet analogy.

[lavish stump]

this build sems nice enough? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f42961c-c5a7-4655-ba88-8e62f89ffeeb/commissar-vet-build-auric-maelstrom-havoc-40-krak-grenades-bolter-and-voice-of-command-makes-the-world-go-around

[severe finch]

alright finally getting back to vet whats good on the helbore

[severe jolt]

and I'm too dumb to know what an "allegory" or "metaphor" is
gimme a fucking break
I'm talking about CHICKEN

[lavish stump]

ok this feels kinda fresh lol

I like it so far

[heavy rover]

surgical / weight of fire / amourbane

[unreal nova]

Look, add it to a soup and it'll work.

[severe jolt]

Like literally, if you have dry chicken, you can cook it with chicken flavor noodles, and the broth will make it not dry

[severe jolt]

finally someone who understands me

[tropic notch]

Is the choice of weapons because you’re bored of using everything else?

The tac axe mk 4 guh

[unreal nova]

Any soup.

[severe jolt]

you know what's up

[torn gorge]

krak and chainaxe bolter

[severe jolt]

You might think chicken soup is stupid, but once you're sick and bedridden, that's the one thing you go for. Search your hearts and you know it's true.

[elder vessel]

build guide recommends using boltgun on poxers and groaners

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-falling-down-stairs-gif-5462499368330342031

[loud belfry]

who thinks this? I will kill them

[grand perch]

Chicken soup is life man

[loud belfry]

unless chicken noodle soup doesnt count as such

in which case carry on

[lavish stump]

fucking awesome build

damn it this is like 90% what I want

I might switch from a bolter to something else tho

[grand perch]

Light spam with head taker + deci gets pretty destructive

[elder vessel]

Glad you found a home with chainaxe

gentlemen weapon

[torn gorge]

and chainaxe on bursters?

[lavish stump]

it fucks up flak dudes pretty bad

crushers and etc

[tropic notch]

I love the Chain axe

Mk4 da best

Wish it didn’t suck

[severe jolt]

chicken noodle soup
chicken rice soup
chicken potato soup
vegetable soup with chicken
you have to be genuinely fucked in the head to not like chicken soup

[loud belfry]

true

soup is just generally great. I think it's largely because of the savoriness of the broth which is slightly unique for foods

[elder vessel]

doesn't suck, just not meta

[lavish stump]

why it sucks tho

[unreal nova]

More, I buy the cheap end of day rotisserie chicken for $1.50 and use it for it. XD

[lavish stump]

the meta is fucking DS and I hate that weapon with passion

it is braindead

[tropic notch]

Has its cleave capped

[elder vessel]

sad but true

dumb mechanic that

[lavish stump]

I mean it kinda fits into DS category for me cause

who tf uses ds for cleave to begin with and

[severe jolt]

Rotisserie chicken is literally the meta IRL

[grand perch]

Just another unexplained mechanic to make melee combat opaque

Nah that's duelling chicken

[elder vessel]

does the chainsword have its cleave capped?

[unreal nova]

Buy 1 hour before closing.

[tropic notch]

I don’t believe so

[void dragon]

they should cap the cleave of the DS to 1, that's the one place it belongs

[tropic notch]

It has a funny interaction with wrath

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[lavish stump]

I am jorking it

with chainaxe

[severe jolt]

Dive it out of the trashcan 1 hour after

[lavish stump]

I hate that stupid bolter unholster animation

why tf you are hitting you just making it slower for yourself

ffs

[unreal nova]

This isn't possible here.

[torn gorge]

lights are capped at 4 targets

[grand perch]

Remember that skill you hate, exec stance?

Pulls out bolter instantly

[elder vessel]

wow

[torn gorge]

heavies at 7

but its not a linear decrease

you get a steep drop after 1st and 3rd targets

[elder vessel]

Goddamn

[void dragon]

honestly im finding respect on the humble Exe stance with Bolter and new Helbore, near 1 shot to H40 crushers is insane (an uncharged folowup gets kill)

[faint beacon]

Forgetting Exploit Weakness + Serrated adding to even more stupid damage

[torn gorge]

if you can position yourself correctly exe stance is quite the refreshable gun juice tbh

[faint beacon]

You know you can sprint cancel the pull out animation or QQ it

actually thats reloading it

QQ is for Reloading

[void dragon]

if only the officers of the Lex would stop running around like chickens and smack the lone walker so i can kill the gunner army (had to kill an entire platoon wile one was flailing at me)

[torn gorge]

if its just 1 random you can just dodge at the audio cue

while focusing something else down

[elder vessel]

be me
darktide ability
restore full toughness
Lock down nearby enemies
hearty damage boost
utilized to reposition, assist teammates, complete objectives
be infiltrate
Pic unrelated

[grand perch]

Hearty damage boost... For 5 seconds. At the cost of a talent point

[void dragon]

it was doable, my issue is when its like 5 of them, had that happen in the middle of my exe stance far too often

[torn gorge]

thats what i mean about positioning

[void dragon]

Infiltrate doesnt have damage boost because no one takes that perk

[grand perch]

It's still a good joke

[void dragon]

i cant controle that the pox walkers spawn even from the bathrooms when i JUST did house keeping around me

[elder vessel]

Veteran has like 5 talents that give you a damage boost on using your ability

[near abyss]

Helbore stat dump?

[unreal nova]

The best one is For the Emperor.

Cos everyone gets it. XD

[void dragon]

5? i thought they were 4 tops

[elder vessel]

idfk I dont take them all

I take the one attached to infiltrate at the very least

[void dragon]

yeah dont think i ever had a build that uses all

[normal bay]

Stability

[past stratus]

the 5s duration buffs are such a bait

[sleek garden]

Infiltrate does not give you bonus damage without the node

oops I was scrolled up

[elder vessel]

ifonlytherewereanabilitythatletyoueasilygetintopostitiontoutilizethose5sbuffsimmeadiately

[severe finch]

the vets combat axe any good never really used it?

[sleek garden]

Executors stance

It's so simple

[severe finch]

got a lucky drop

[past stratus]

afaik the Combat Axe is a pretty good weapon overrall

[severe finch]

what perks and talents are the go to?

[elder vessel]

that doesn't fit my narrative so im gonna ignore it

[severe finch]

and i guess which mark

[past stratus]

for blessings the hammer of the emperor says Brutal Momentum and Headtaker for the most part

[severe finch]

that tracks

[past stratus]

the rest is up to your own needs/preferences

[severe finch]

okay didnt know if the marks had any real affect on swing patterns

[elder vessel]

thats the only thing mks have an effect on?

[lavish stump]

is reginald dumb fuck?

[elder vessel]

swings and attack stats

[lavish stump]

in regards of builds in darktide

I've heard a lot of people criticize him for bad builds

[past stratus]

I tend to like my melee weapons to be cleavy because I prefer my guns to do good single target damage. So that's usually how I decide the mark/perks on them

[severe finch]

i meant if any of them had a prefered patterns for what they do (ie swings versus chops)

[deep bone]

Ngl the Devils Sword feels great after the buffs

Was using it in havoc 30

Was dealing with the horde quite well

[past stratus]

I personally like his videos because he tends to be pretty mathematical on his approach, but each to their own

[silver walrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e92cee3-adfe-4931-959e-84a1ccda9c1c/meta-plasma-gun-havoc-40 @rough axle

[elder vessel]

I think hes smarter than 99% of darktiders cuz he actually puts together builds instead of asking discord/gameslantern

[silver walrus]

🤡

[past stratus]

he also knows a lot about the mechanics of the game, a lot of his videos helped me a lot

[sleek garden]

does it still not cleave more than 1-2 in 40

i love the devils claw and use the mk1 extensively

but in high havoc savage sweep and rampage cant proc

[elder vessel]

Wonderful retort person who i do not know

[silver walrus]

You're very welcome!

[lavish stump]

using heavy sword

feels nice

[elder vessel]

Never cared for it personally, lacks 40k flair

[past stratus]

I wanna get one eventually but I agree that it does look a bit lame

[elder vessel]

which feels odd saying outloud when my preferred fire arm is the Braced Autogun

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-food-soldier-diet-gif-16663279

Longshit spotted

"Meta Plasma Gun"

longshot

Blaze Away Rising Heat

There's no meta here

Wth

😭

[elder vessel]

wudda fhck does longshot do

[tame lodge]

Nothing

🗣️

It scales horribly

[elder vessel]

Its bugged and does nothing?

[silver walrus]

it does dont listen to this bozo

[tame lodge]

No it does something

It scales horribly

[elder vessel]

Wut it do

[silver walrus]

you probably run wep spec and gets hot lmfao

[silver walrus]

+20% dmg when enemy is 30m from you and less dmg the closer they are

[unreal nova]

It does something, if you are at sniper range.

[elder vessel]

goddamn that sounds like an awful range

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot and Rising Heat are the meta blessings

The alternative

Is Blaze Away Optimized Cooling

[unreal nova]

GL finding decent spots for it barring a few maps on long arse bridges.

[silver walrus]

its not useless but it's just what you grab to get ex takedown

[tame lodge]

Because it is

😭

[unreal nova]

Most of the time gun fights will be in the 12.5m to 25m range barring snipers.

Or below 12.5m.

Depends on how open.

So, basically does little to nothing.

Just go middle or right at top.

[elder vessel]

I feel like most weapons would be grappling with damage falloff at that 30m+

[unreal nova]

You can only use las weapons that isn't recon.

They have reverse falloff

[elder vessel]

man just like

minimum bonus 10% damage

ez

[silver walrus]

just read, idk, the text at the bottom of the build? Don't like longshot or ex takedown dont use it but it does have value

[elder vessel]

yeah 0.6% value

[silver walrus]

If that's what you think

[tame lodge]

If Fatshark was smart

[unreal nova]

If you think 1-2% more damage is good, be you then.

[elder vessel]

I can't believe this guy gave me a clown emoji earlier

[unreal nova]

And that's assuming wider maps.

[past stratus]

longshot does something, it is just not a lot most of the times, the other side of the tree is just so much more useful

[unreal nova]

GL in tighter maps.

Remember base coherency range is 8m already.

[past stratus]

yeah, it's situational to the point where it is going to be a -1 talent point in most of your games

[silver walrus]

? You act like taking longshot is the whole build lmfao

[unreal nova]

You can see how short it really is.

[unreal nova]

You act like it's a good node that does something.

[ancient path]

swap hot shots position with the reload node so i can have better reloads ;\

[tame lodge]

Fatshark if they were smart

[past stratus]

I don't think neither Exhilarating Takedown or Volley adept are worth a -1 talent most of the time

[silver walrus]

yeah? I act like I read the node and understand how to use it while thinking what nodes are under it.

[unreal nova]

At least someone understands why ppl skip the left side top.

Thought you mean either.

[past stratus]

One Motion + Out for blood + 5% movement speed are consistently good all game with a lot of different setups and situations

[unreal nova]

Or more, "I think neither of them."

But yeah. Middle and right gives way more in general.

[past stratus]

I've never used middle, Coherency is something I always kind of give the side-eye. Maybe it is a lack of trust in my fellow humans

[unreal nova]

Sure, one motion isn't as good for fast swap guns, but it's good for slower guns. And we know hellbore is on the menu now.

[ocean otter]

L class

[elder vessel]

true but

but

[unreal nova]

It's a set up that requires ppl sticking. Can work in higher havocs but O4B just is consistenly better then.

[elder vessel]

uhh

uhhhhhjjj

cadia stands?

[unreal nova]

You mean sand?

[elder vessel]

CADIA SANDS

[past stratus]

yeah, I think it is just generally a safer setup

I never looked it up and it might be just delusion but I have an impression that one motion also works on grenades

[unreal nova]

It does btw.

Is why you take right as Grenadier.

[tame lodge]

I hate sand

[unreal nova]

O4B is hilarious with boom spam.

[tame lodge]

It's coarse

[elder vessel]

why doesn't veteran have a grenade based keystone

[tame lodge]

Rough

Irritating

And it gets everywhere

[tropic notch]

I ate sand

[unreal nova]

Is mean, is what Cadia is now so...

[elder vessel]

I call it sand

rhymes with grug

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-eat-eat-sand-yummy-gif-20549525

[past stratus]

Ah good to know that I'm not just delusional lol

[elder vessel]

waiting for quick toss smokes that detonate on impact

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

and waiting for all abilities blitz and auras to be connected to the same travel node

[past stratus]

looking at it now, left side talents are full of bait

like Kill Zone and Deadshot

[tame lodge]

Kill Zone is aight

Since the buffs that is

[unreal nova]

It's just more noticeable if you run kraks.

[tame lodge]

But like

Get Back In The Fight! is trash

[past stratus]

Any talents that require people to not be target of an attack is a meme to me

[unreal nova]

CAB is already hard to use in such a game but is a billion times better. Mostly since blocking attacks still causes it to break.

And if you run Power Sword... Wat is dodge?

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-roblox-es2-eatsand-eat-sand-2-gif-15059591329165741255

[hollow ibex]

playing vet again. jfc it's so much harder than arbi

[final monolith]

What’s the best weapon for the make every shot count penance? I’ve been having trouble with the combat shotgun. I have one with 80 rounds, does it go any lower?

[hollow ibex]

double barrel still prob

use only double shot

[grand perch]

longshit is indefensible

[hollow ibex]

and you'll get it

[grand perch]

late to the party but dont take longshit

[tame lodge]

[past stratus]

I love the power sword but this is so true

[spark canopy]

pretty nice infiltration buff

[spark canopy]

double barrel and do the train mission

[final monolith]

Awesome thanks

I was originally doing assassination missions

[outer wolf]

Is it worth running a build without keystones?

I think it was back in the day

[hollow ibex]

usually only for recon las

[unreal nova]

I know. I tried using PS, not my thing. Most ppl rather not misinform others on nodes.

[unreal nova]

Only if you run recons.

[hot crag]

Dayum, did my first havoc 40 and I got true survivor and the penance that require you to not get hit by a single melee attack

[past stratus]

I mainly use the Power Sword on Veteran because it feels like it gives me a quick solution to being flanked. The Special plus a Heavy usually is enough to give me space to run away from something

[hot crag]

Feels* so good, the teammates are goated

[unreal nova]

I get it, but I do love my mobility. XD

Even if Arbites is ruining it...

Well, I still have my bistol.

[past stratus]

I think the Devil Claw might be a better alternative for what I need out of a melee weapon nowadays

but idk how to use that weapon yet

[unreal nova]

It just really sucks against flak from memory.

Or was it Cara.

One of them.

[past stratus]

😵‍💫

that's not good, those are mainly the things I worry about when swarms happen

[lavish stump]

uh mates

how in the world did I get this?

4232

HOW

FROM WHERE?

I HAVE NO IDEA

[unreal nova]

Event.

[lavish stump]

what event??

[unreal nova]

It handed out like 4k of it.

Do Inferno missions 10x to unlock stuff.

Go to mourningstar, press tab.

The hit the button to swap pages.

It's back+x on controller.

Flip to the current event.

[lavish stump]

ohhhhhhhhh

damn that was a hefty amount

I leveled to max my gear lol

[unreal nova]

But that plasma isn't that good though?

You want a thermal dump.

If you don't wanna minmax.

[lone radish]

OHH LMAO

i was like bruh what event where do i see this i just got 4k of that shit

[lavish stump]

just repeating a build

[lone radish]

well time to inferno

[unreal nova]

Do note it's a 1 time thing. So check where you are first.

[lone radish]

do the rewards end after the 4k dia?

[unreal nova]

You still wanna do at least min 10 for the frame.

[unreal nova]

Naw, there's more. Why I said to check the event checklist.

Just to see how many to collect everything.

[tacit sonnet]

What does +cleave% stat do EXACTLY?

Is it just more targets hit per attack?

Or does it also improve damage distribution

and what happens if my cleave is 1 and I get like +30% cleave

[hollow ibex]

i think it just gives you 1.3 cleave

[tacit sonnet]

And what does 1.3 cleave mean?

[torn gorge]

both actually

[unreal nova]

Oh. So even worse than I thought.

[elder vessel]

you can cleave an additional 1.3 hitmass?

which i think is like 2-3 more poxers

[unreal nova]

Depends on difficulty.

[tacit sonnet]

And what about damage distribution?

Does it improve with +cleave%?

[heavy rover]

What is an arbites favorite musical?

Lex Miserables

[torn gorge]

1.3mass is about a single poxwalker actually

or chaff equivalent

forgot the actual value

and no, melee weapons dont start at 1 cleave

[grand perch]

poxwalker is at 1.5 iirc

[torn gorge]

considering elites and what not have much bigger mass

alongside the property of stopping most cleave in general

[tacit sonnet]

just as example, I know very little things have 1 cleave

[unreal nova]

Wait till you fight the mobians. XD

[tacit sonnet]

I already have

I know

[torn gorge]

technically its how much mass your weapon can go through

it does not improve the damage distribution

[tacit sonnet]

So it's just hitmass

got it

[torn gorge]

ye

and each unit has an individual hitmass associated

bigger targets have more mass

each weapon has a separate attack and stagger cleave values

[tacit sonnet]

ye, I already know that

[torn gorge]

for example thammer can ragdoll lot of enemies but will only damage the first 2 (or 3 i forgot)

[past stratus]

wait the combat axe is kind of cracked, what is the recommended mark for this one?

[unreal nova]

Rashad.

[tacit sonnet]

I have 800 hours in darktide and I just never knew what exactly does +cleave do. It was just more enemies hit

[unreal nova]

Is why ppl just call it by the mark name.

THe other two marks are.. meh and dumpster.

[tacit sonnet]

You never know what does fatshark mean, they are really bad with decriptions and names

[past stratus]

ty ty!

[tacit sonnet]

antax is good

[unreal nova]

I know one is usable but meh and the other is a joke do not use unless masochist or trying a challenge.

[torn gorge]

i think kuli should have a guide explaining the various game mechanics on steam?

[tacit sonnet]

Rashard is best

Antax is good

3rd one is shit

And no reason to use any of them over rashad

[torn gorge]

antax has a better arc on the first light attack

but thats about it

[past stratus]

ok this weapon has the funniest Heavy spam of all the melees lmao

[torn gorge]

its an axe

you become a woodchopper

[normal bay]

Axe murderer vibes

[past stratus]

yeah pretty satisfying

[unreal nova]

Ehm, hedchopper.

[past stratus]

idk if the laspistol is a good mix with it but fuck it, I'm just leveling weapons anyways

[solemn violet]

Which Marks do you recommend for Caxe and PS when you want them to not suck against hordes but also being able to deal with Elites? Edit: Just realised you probs talked about that 5 msg ago

[lavish stump]

what other ranged options are good for vet on havoc 40?

I am digging plasma so far but I'd like to have more options

[unreal nova]

Laspistol still good gun, use the fast mark.

[unreal nova]

Rashad and Mk 6 PS.

Well, the newer mark.

I think that's the 6. Not ingame to check names.

[solemn violet]

The one where the Heavies are just horizontal or the one where they are diagonal?

[plain osprey]

Hot take hour, what Veteran talent tree node needs a buff the most?

Go

[past stratus]

yeah that's what I have, just a bit painful against heavily armored targets

[hollow ibex]

voice of command

[unreal nova]

You know there's a bunch, right? Longshit being the one everyone talks about cos you know. Covering fire is just a worse ver of Canine Morales but doesn't affect the vet themnselves.

[unreal nova]

I mean, las weapons generally suck against armor.

[grand perch]

but not if youre unhinged enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9nBh7uT7Ug

[lavish stump]

what are other good options in regards of ranged weapons?

for havoc 40 that is not plasma

I am thinking bolter tho ammo in a mag is an issue

quite an issue I'd say

[plain osprey]

Thats spicy. I love it

[plain osprey]

I use Bolt pistol

[tacit sonnet]

was this guide update for new shotguns?

[spark canopy]

Recon Lasgun

or Heavy Las Pistol

[lavish stump]

for special sniping?

[spark canopy]

Combat Shotgun also got a buff

yeah

they'll both work

[lavish stump]

I have never seen anyone use combat shotguns

[spark canopy]

they're goated

well, now they are

[hollow ibex]

no it hasn't been updated in months

[quiet valley]

This list is pre update but move all the combat shotguns up one tier and thats about right

[spark canopy]

they can do some pretty nasty headshot damage

[lavish stump]

or shotguns in general outside of ogryn and arbites

[hollow ibex]

the updated shotties are pretty good

[unreal nova]

You know I have a recon build just to brrrrrrrrrrrrrr crushers.

[quiet valley]

Onslaught user detected

[lavish stump]

so only double barrel is viable LMAO

even for special sniping?

[unreal nova]

Look, it's funny on malice. >_>

[quiet valley]

Combat shotguns* sorry

DB got a buff but its a nothing burger, stays about the same

[unreal nova]

I did sub 20 Havs on said build as well.

Because funni.

[lavish stump]

so shotguns are still bad for havoc

got it

havoc 40 specificaly

[elder vessel]

what's your obsession with havoc 40

[lavish stump]

cause every other missions are already boring

I am a sweat

[unreal nova]

Some people only care for HARDEST stuff.

[quiet valley]

I mean shotguns are viable, not the best thing you can bring but they put in work

[warm schooner]

been my experience as well

[elder vessel]

fuck that noise

havoc 40 has like 2 loadouts

[red robin]

I just want build variety ngl

[elder vessel]

1.5 loadouts

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[red robin]

Wish devils claws got better flak adm and new blessings

[grand perch]

i play about 5 in 40

[lavish stump]

I am kinda running this build so yeah

[quiet valley]

Crazy take lol

[lavish stump]

so any weapon suggestion would be appreciated

[mighty anvil]

Havok is meta slave simulator for 99% of people who play it.

[elder vessel]

im exaggerating, im sure the actual number is bigger

[lavish stump]

I really like recon lasgun but it sucks against carpace and etc as I feel

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/ten-gif-1986190923307584831

Havoc build guesstimation

[mighty anvil]

Auric > Havok

[quiet valley]

You can take Onslaught and waste talent points/ammo, or just Melee Carapace like a sane person

[lavish stump]

what is onlsaught

[pure niche]

Any reason you don't see much Surgical + shattering run together on Bolter?

[quiet valley]

brittleness on repeated hit

[quiet valley]

Its decent

[mighty anvil]

anything i should change on this?

[pure niche]

Calvalcade is a bit dumpy (when not on zealot).
Puncture seems underwhelming (but I'm prob wrong)
Shattering I guess doesn't help much into bosses, (though I didn't dump collateral, and went mobility so could).

So was leaning towards those 2.

[grand perch]

nah its good

[quiet valley]

Pinning Fire is slept on, I run Pinning and Surgical, Flak/Unyielding for H40

[grand perch]

hardly slept on, its recommended in paths guide

[lavish stump]

has anyone done havoc 40 with a lasgun tho?

[quiet valley]

yea every one, they are very good

except Infantry Las

its mid imo

usable but mid

[pure niche]

No ammo issues with bolter there?

[elder vessel]

usable but mid, my favorite

[hollow ibex]

is this for havoc?

[lavish stump]

how do I build it with this build?

like what blessing which mark etc

[mighty anvil]

nope auric

[quiet valley]

Depends how hungry your teammates/ How heavy your trigger finger is

[hollow ibex]

you won't need cara + elite

likely just one

[hollow birch]

Not really

[hollow ibex]

check your crusher breakpoints

[mighty anvil]

fuck math no

[hollow birch]

combat shotgun kind of fucks if boss gets staggered

[grand perch]

literally take off elite damage and see if your BP changes in psykh

no math only testing

[hollow birch]

Btw how is the helbore IV post buff

[lavish stump]

what about other stuff like elites and specials

[hollow birch]

slug em

[mighty anvil]

ehh

[lavish stump]

they die fast or no?

[mighty anvil]

ill do it tomorrow

[lavish stump]

like 1-2 shots

[unreal nova]

I just want my auric heresy back. Lower breakpoints but more shit fun.

[hollow birch]

If you use fullbore ye

fullbore with slug my beloved

[hollow ibex]

no just test in psyk lol. takes like 30 seconds.

[lavish stump]

hmm I actually might go with shotgun or recon lasgun

tho I lean towards shotgun way more

[hollow birch]

Helbore still one of my favorites

Typically just worse plasgun but might feel better after the buffs

[lavish stump]

so it can do havoc 40 right?

[quiet valley]

Helbore slaps

[hollow birch]

I wouldn't be saying it's a favorite of mine if it couldnt clear any content in the game

[quiet valley]

shits out dmg, for free, zero ammo pickups

[lavish stump]

dump mobility I presume

[quiet valley]

punches carapace

[quiet valley]

Stability

[hollow birch]

If you dont like the ironsights can also just use the weapon attachment mod

[lavish stump]

stability? doesn't it affect damage and pellets

[hollow birch]

Weapon sway

[quiet valley]

Thought you were talking about Helbore

[lavish stump]

I was talking about a combat shotgun mate

not a helbore

lmao

[quiet valley]

yeah then mob

[lavish stump]

damn it so it is bad in havoc

recon lasgun it is then

@hollow birch so yes or no for combat shotgun?

I have no experience with vet and thats why I am asking all this

I need to be sure 100% to go either shotgun or reecon lasgun

oh fullbore is a blessing

[lavish stump]

what is slug in blessing?

[quiet valley]

wtf rayman vet

[tame lodge]

Agripina special ammo is a slug

It procs Full Bore reliably

[elder vessel]

Nice goggles king

[mighty anvil]

shotgun good after buff?

[past stratus]

it seems so, I see a lot of zealots using it

but not a lot of vets but then again, I don't see a lot of vets in general

[thorn lark]

Most of them are Arbites larping

[void dragon]

They are all using infiltrate because other classes are Op

[lavish stump]

so it is good in havoc right,

[mighty anvil]

whats infiltrate meta?

[elder vessel]

you take infiltrate specifically to not be meta

Infiltrate is the VoC Brainrot detox

[deep bone]

What’s the best Helbore

I wanna use it after the buffs

[tame lodge]

3a or 4

3a is super comfy

Use it

[tame lodge]

It hits really hard yes

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eca2931-6ed1-4ac5-85f0-0531c49b23d9/vet-havoc40-reconkrak
I went for this build

instead of knife I use DS

[warm schooner]

definitely been enjoying helbore for high havoc

[lavish stump]

what is dump stat for recon tho?

collateral or mobility?

[unreal nova]

Collateral.

[mighty anvil]

oh

You ever heard of a series called Dark Souls?

[loud belfry]

that's an obscure one

[elder vessel]

no i have not heard of dark souls please elaborate

[loud belfry]

little known series "dark souls"

[elder vessel]

I love niche and obscure classics like call of duty

[loud belfry]

crazy what's out there if you do some digging

[mighty anvil]

You might like it, its made for people who like a challenge. It's pretty much the litmus test for a hardcore gamer.

[elder vessel]

where are you going with this

[loud belfry]

🗣️

[tame lodge]

All this niche and obscure talk

[mighty anvil]

You've never played a souls game really?

[tame lodge]

And not a single mention of Minecraft

[elder vessel]

Played DS3

[tame lodge]

That's how niche it is

[elder vessel]

And a Lil Ering

Just a lil

[mighty anvil]

Elden Ring is casual

Where im going is im trying to figure out who i'm talking too is all

[elder vessel]

Idk I only played a little bit of it

[mighty anvil]

ur the first infiltrate vet i've met

[elder vessel]

cool

[mighty anvil]

What was ur build in ds3

[elder vessel]

I wouldn't compare infiltrate experience to dark souls

but yeah

[elder vessel]

dont remember but it was standard big sword big armor gaming

[mighty anvil]

meta

lol

[elder vessel]

I do

not care

[mighty anvil]

Fair enough

[loud belfry]

[sleek garden]

decided i wanted to do a nice havoc 21 just to have a different challenge than auric maelstrom

twins, scab captain and two chaos spawns at once

eh

[warm schooner]

welcome to havoc

[lavish stump]

combat shotgun dump stat?

[scenic bear]

mob

[elder vessel]

it's the one that doesn't effect your damage for like 99% of weapons

[loud belfry]

glorpility

[gaunt hare]

adept assassin is still kicking my ass, but learning melee weakspot kills count for the penance and a hi intensity dark communion raising me from 57 to 92 helped me out

[sleek garden]

i just pushed a poxwalker and it ghosted and he just walloped me to kill me

pointless

[gaunt hare]

is the normal sight or branx forge sight better on the bolt pistol

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed7157d-4500-49fd-8c9d-8570cb3e563c/havoc-doomguy-shotkrak-veteran

is this good shotgun build,

[elder vessel]

have you considered trying the build

and then evaluating your own thoughts

[loud belfry]

wtf is thinking

[warm schooner]

something chatgpt does

[loud belfry]

so true

[sleek garden]

when the teacher asks you to write down your name but the chatgpt servers are down

[void dragon]

I had times where I test something and end up still doubting what can be done to fine tune it up, so I kinda get that questions, sometimes you can't help yourself to be sure so ask second opinions

[elder vessel]

true enough but this guy has done nothing but ask for Havoc 40 viable builds

[void dragon]

Me who adjust all my builds, even smoke stealth ones, to be Havoc worthy: I get the spirit but he should aim to H25 if you ask me, H40 will always be about meta

Hell even H30 is quite crazy for the average pub folks

[unreal nova]

And gets annoyed because all the H40 builds uses weapons he doesn't like or something. Vets need to minmax the hardest of all the classes to get a viable build.

[snow pendant]

does anyone have combat shotgun builds to recommend ?

[mighty anvil]

Havok40 is just meta simulator for majority of vet players.

[unreal nova]

You have no choice unlike the other classes. You don't minmax, you do nothing but be an ammo dispenser.

[mighty anvil]

I wanted to ask because I take months off from this game, when I last played there was no havok and Auric was top dog.
Now I come back and auric spawns were nerfed and havok came? Why did they nerf Auric spawns??

[gray anvil]

tbh i wanna try my revovler build in havoc once i get used to the game again

[unreal nova]

I suspect it's a mess with them cutting out stuff and such.

[neon estuary]

i'm thinking of making changes for my veteran's curios.... should i go with 1 wound, 2 3 stims or just 1 wound, toughness, and 3 stims? I'm being conflicted over weather i should my veteran more tanky or.... well i use stamina for the deadshot perk.

idk if its ridiculous to make my veteran a tank gunner...

[heavy rover]

greetings fellow deadshot user 🤝

[neon estuary]

okay then... still.... which curios will i pick for my veteran...

[heavy rover]

normally I do 2 toughness 1 stamina

[neon estuary]

no, i still need 1 wound

guess i'll make my veteran a tanky gunner then

[heavy rover]

if you need 1 wound, then maybe try 1 wound, 1 stamina, 1 toughness

though eventually, once you're comfortable enough to go without wound, then I suggest 2 toughness and 1 stamina

[neon estuary]

think i'll make each curio 1 combat ability regeneration, toughness, and stamina regeneration

[elder vessel]

mfw im infiltrating

[heavy rover]

it's still considered stealth if there's no one left alive to spot you

[hollow ibex]

sprint efficiency is typically better than stam regen

on vet

[elder vessel]

what if they just gave Vet an extra talent point

just free of charge

he gets a bonus one, as a treat

[neon estuary]

for a fast agility veteran yes but for a very tanky gunner for a veteran.... idk ... its all about being a tank that can do alot of damage....

[torn gorge]

If you want that then you should lean more into toughness stacking and various resistances

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't be enough

[torn gorge]

The caveat is you can only pick faster teammate rez or mmf

[sleek garden]

why didn't your screen turn gold

[elder vessel]

Why would it

[elder vessel]

Why would it

Answer the question

[hollow ibex]

i think he assumed you were using ES

[sleek garden]

That's just exy stance gameplay

You could have pretended to go invisible

[hearty turtle]

Need some help with veteran, just started playing it. What's a good build?

[empty surge]

voice of command is imo the best ability

i recommend looking at gameslantern

they have lots of builds there

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds?sort=relevant&class=914459f6-eb99-4e97-9106-0dd374107069

[hearty turtle]

I also wanna try for the penances later to get the cosmetics

[tame lodge]

Gimme a sec

[torn gorge]

depends on what content you are doing outside of high havoc you can play most builds that let you complete penances

[jovial wagon]

See in higher difficulty

Should I bring krak or a different nade

[sudden cedar]

Here we go again.

🍿

[jovial wagon]

Oh does this happen often

[heavy rover]

yeah

the thing about vet is that it's a pretty flexible class

so there are many options depending on what you want to play

you can even go keystone-less

[tame lodge]

Well currently vets best grenade is frag

[jovial wagon]

I see

[quick seal]

this shit is so frustrating

[tame lodge]

So recommending Kraks as "Entry level" kinda sparks some discussion

[arctic rampart]

kraks are ok. they have a 'fuse' timer which is annoying but it feels good for noobs.

the more you play the more you'll always use regular frags, unless going for penances or bored

demolition team on maelstrom is pretty neat you get to throw like 70-100 frags a match

[torn gorge]

all nades have a use case

it is just up to the player to set up a loadout that can cover most situations

nothing wrong in doing so running smokes or kraks

[bitter flicker]

I like using kraks for annoying things

[torn gorge]

bulwarks ye

but frag nade usually get em on their ass anyway

unless they are green

[bitter flicker]

But that being said the bleeding one usually works out well

Saying this as a new player tho so mileage may vary

[torn gorge]

frag is just versatile

can make space

deal decent damage on a large aoe area

knockdown/stagger

[quick seal]

oh my god this sucks so much ass

always some guy randomly dying past a drop-down point

where I can't run back to revive him

[torn gorge]

try to wait for the last one to jump down

[livid hill]

Do we have thoughts on recon lasgun? I think its fun but I'm just worried it might confuse my teammates (yk, cause it sorta looks like a scab gunner)

[tame lodge]

Solid pick

Just be careful to not be ammo hungry

[hearty turtle]

I just wanna get the deadeye stuff from for the emperor 3

[torn gorge]

run infantry lasgun or bolter

and take the node that highlight all ranged units

[tribal tinsel]

Give me yo plasma builds, please.

[tame lodge]

One sec

Or 2

[tribal tinsel]

👍

[tribal tinsel]

I see
What about weapon perks/blessings?

[tame lodge]

Unarmored is for dreg gunner 1 headshot

[hearty turtle]

First is the dang grenade penance

[tribal tinsel]

Oki

[torn gorge]

the krak one?

[hearty turtle]

Hit 5 without it bouncing

[torn gorge]

oh that one is relatively easy, you just have to find an elevation point and a horde

you can do that on chasm logistratum

run something like this

but again most things are flexible

[hollow ibex]

hab dreyko's prob the easiest

there's a huge overlook right at the start

if you don't get a horde there, restart

[torn gorge]

i did mine on chasm logistratum at the elevator before the first event

[arctic rampart]

I like the fast firing one and mostly hipfire it. It's good not great .. but fun! Onslaught is a trap, too expensive to use with it. Take 10% rending instead.

[livid hill]

yay

[arctic rampart]

U dont actually need the no-ammo-on-crit trait if you run survivalist, Unless you're no-ammo run and probably should take something even more efficient in such case then

[livid hill]

i mean the way my build is set up thats the best ill get

[livid hill]

i like it bc i reload less

and my whole build is centered around like, keeping up the pressure on gunners

if that makes sense

i HATE gunners

[arctic rampart]

Not really, just kill em

Pressure not as good as dead

[livid hill]

i cant always do that is the thing

[scenic bear]

You’re already shooting them

[arctic rampart]

If u need to kill them ads and hit them in the head. Dodge and hipfire shoot em if they're already shooting

[livid hill]

i mean in theory yes but when ur dealing with everything else its nice to jsut quickly make them shut up

[arctic rampart]

I guess you can use a suppression build. I see some people doing that and it works

[livid hill]

see i tried to do this as a newbie nd it got me killed a lot cause i was too focused on killing the gunners to notice everything else around me

[livid hill]

its not FULLY that, but yeah i mean, its mobility and anti gunner

i do kill gunners too

[arctic rampart]

Ah ok. Yeah this happens. For me after like 300 hours (?) I reflex dodge/hear everything and don't have to think about it. Its like when you learn to drive you have to hyper focus but after 10 years its second nature

[livid hill]

yeah idk ig its just a matter of perspective. i still dont have those reflexes unfortunately :(

do u guys think bleed nades or smoke nades

smoke nades i think COULD be useful here but i also doubt their overall usefulness

[arctic rampart]

Smoke nades are really hard to use WELL. If you don't know, its bleed nades 1000000%

For me binding dodge to a convenient key really helped

[livid hill]

this is generally my experience yes

i struggle with slide, is there a momentum mechanic in this game that determines when u slide vs just crouch? cause it feels like it

especially when there's enemies everywhere and I'm out of dodges I cant slide at all

[tame lodge]

There is a minimum speed for sliding

Like

4m/s

Or something like that

Negative dodges might not achieve that speed

[arctic rampart]

bind crouch to a better key, by default its not great IMO

www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/14 this mod has a dodge counter you can turn on . its a UI mod that is subtly powerful

alternate option.. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/280?tab=images but I prefer the numericui one

[torn gorge]

if you crouch you did not start sprinting

takes some muscle memory building to get used to it

same as any movetech with weapons

[livid hill]

yes, true, but my muscle memory is tied to ctrl so i cant really change it now

[past stratus]

I can see smoke grenades working in a pre-made group that is in VC, so you can call what you're doing and people can take advantage of it. In public games it feels like griefing a lot of the time

[livid hill]

what do i do when i get chased by a chaos spawn and everyone else is somewhere else

i cant fight a chaos spawn by myself

do I just die

[past stratus]

switch to melee, block and look for an opportunity to sprint away

everyone should be paying attention to the bosses

[livid hill]

its more like a maelstorm sorta situation where there are like 20 bosses

[livid hill]

okay

[past stratus]

I never heard about that many bosses, I don't think that's a winnable situation no matter how skilled you are as a Veteran

[young sequoia]

you may find this helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ14EgHLWY8

[scenic bear]

isnt tanner the dont listen to anything this guy says guy

[young sequoia]

[past stratus]

the information in that video is objectively good

and it's nothing even debatable, just basic mechanics of the game

[young sequoia]

regardless of the efficacy, they are soloable. and learning how is worthwhile, even if you prefer a diff video/guide ^^

[livid hill]

im sorry i hate this guys voice can u summarize

[past stratus]

lol

[tacit sonnet]

tl dr just dodge and hit him

Eventually he dies

[torn gorge]

there are few attack patterns

some you can sneak attacks inbetween

others you just have to dodge

and dodgeslide the grab

[young sequoia]

no but check out my secret technique

[tame lodge]

Dodge to the right to avoid the grab

[faint beacon]

yes

They have caused shockwaves we've had to correct since- fucking ages in here

Just do not listen to anything they say

Take info from others on here as much as I hate to say it cause Reddit and the Forums are even worse

[young sequoia]

mfw returning player and oblivious to the discourse:

[faint beacon]

Tanner is just uh-

A very terrible person to put it softly

Not even just petty reasons like misinformation about whats good on vet, no they've said some genuine unhinged racist shit

that and was a genuine problem in the Darktide discord, so the wardens promptly did their jobs

[young sequoia]

okay good to know

[faint beacon]

Look im just saying the egotistical femboy is a racist? color me not surprised LMAO

[young sequoia]

[unreal nova]

Is okay in pubs, you just need to aim better to not blind your team unless they modded it away.

[past stratus]

Yeah, I usually just bounce between Krak and Shredder, mostly Shredder because I find the most utility in that. I usually have enough single target damage on my guns.

[young sequoia]

well you know what isn't terrible? mastery system forcing me to finally play all the weapons. bayonets been fun

[abstract sand]

[faint beacon]

I mean yeah they got a big buff so they're bound to be pretty damn fun now

[unreal nova]

More or less, kraks are better early on when gear sucks so you have a hard time meleeing oggies.

[faint beacon]

admittedly not the absolute best of the best but still a top pick