veteran-class

[torn gorge]

ye which abides by the min pellet count rule

[formal hamlet]

What rule is that.

[unreal nova]

It's like sniping with kickback but not as wide of a spray.

[torn gorge]

targets will be considered hit by a minimum amount of pellets even when only 1 pellet hits them

[formal hamlet]

Oh interesting. Good to know.

[torn gorge]

number varies on weapon

[formal hamlet]

No wonder my shotguns do alright at longer distances.

[tame lodge]

Yup

[torn gorge]

thats also a reason why mk8 is very reliable with head clicking since you can aim slight above some target head and get a full headshot

more so than slug

[unreal nova]

I mean, slug is more for the... Extremely hilarious knockback.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I was wondering why I was popping heads with shotguns so much easier, even with t he birdshot one I'd surprise myself with how often I'd get a medium range one tap to the head.

[torn gorge]

i think shotpistol is a 2 tap at max range even for gunners?

[unreal nova]

I know most need 3 bodyshots.

[torn gorge]

you are meant to click heads

[unreal nova]

2 head shots.

[torn gorge]

which is very easy because pellet weapon

[unreal nova]

Naw, sometimes I just rather make trapper DEAD DEAD FAST FAST.

[torn gorge]

its also much faster than mk8 in ads target acquisition

you can 1 tap trappers

[unreal nova]

Can care less where it hits, just she dies FASTER.

Because not taking any risk at 300 ping.

You basically can't dodge nets unless you actually can prcog IRL.

As in, see like 3 secs into the future.

Also, I use Bistol because funny bleed dog bomb.

Bigger explosion and better kill breakpoint.

[gaunt hare]

man i wish the "adept assassin" didn't require so many elite/special weakspot kills, I cannot hit the broad side of a barn frfr

[unreal nova]

Was the last thing I finished tbh.

[sudden cedar]

An opportunity to hone that skill

[unreal nova]

Cos a bistol can't kill on crit a flamer for example from memory.

You will bleed kill it, so doesn't count.

[unreal nova]

Controller is harder to aim.

[terse bluff]

To the person who recommended the dueling sword, the emperor protects 🙏

[hollow ibex]

bad recommendation because 1) it's being nerfed and 2) it'll actively make you a worse player

[faint beacon]

Weapons that enforce bad habits are generally good to avoid

[ancient path]

put that thing down

you want a REAL sword!? devils claw is right there

joking, play what you want

[unreal nova]

That thing needs more buffs. You want sword, go heavy sword.

[ancient path]

no. devils claw has a parry

and i find parrying crusher overheads hilarious

[unreal nova]

I suppose that's a taste thing.

[ancient path]

4'8 irish girl holding a sword funny vs 9'10 ogryn with a big fucking hammer

[terse bluff]

oh fr? back to powersword then

[ancient path]

can't beat good structure and form, heretic

[hollow ibex]

can't go wrong with psword on vet

[ancient path]

it is ol reliable.

[formal hamlet]

I've been using the relic sword on Zealot recently and I wish psword had the same special mechanic.

[ancient path]

only thing devils claw cant kill is carapiece but thats why the god emperor gave you a gun

[ancient path]

would be nice to not lose power stance when a heretic sneezes on you

[torn gorge]

lot of people wish that tbh

its not an upopular take

[formal hamlet]

Saw some great names on Darktide today.

Hulk H'ogryn.

[tame lodge]

Good good
Be welcome

Use it to your hearts content

[formal hamlet]

I saw a good Arby one too but forgot.

[lime pendant]

question.

Do vet and arbites pings overwrite each other?

[faint beacon]

Ive seen a few interesting names

[formal hamlet]

Watchu guys think of the Execution Order keystone?

[hollow ibex]

prob the best arbi keystone overall

followed very closely by forceful

and then terminus warrant is just annoying as fuck

[formal hamlet]

I was kinda apprehensive because it picked pinged targets for me but it seems to be quite generous with it.

[hollow ibex]

you don't like the always on wall hacks?

[formal hamlet]

That part is nice.

[torn gorge]

i love it

but its also prob overtuned

you really get a lot out of it

if you invest points

[hollow ibex]

i feel like it gives a random hodgepodge of buffs

not that it's bad

but feels like it lacks a bit of focus

forceful is cohesive as a keystone

EO is

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[torn gorge]

EW is fine if you run auto weapons tbh

but arguably the weaker of the 3

[hollow ibex]

oops referring to execution order

not terminus warrant

[torn gorge]

its baseline 15% thoughness/damage/IAS

but has the most valuable ancillary nodes

[tame lodge]

Afaik no

The color change but the damage still there

Or something like that

Yellow outline with pink skull

Or

Pink Outline with Yellow skull

https://tenor.com/view/pill-red-sibarita-matrix-sibaritadevandal-gif-22169882

[lime pendant]

Thank you for the responses. It was just curious, I hadn't NOTICED any difference other than color of ping. But sometimes it's difficult to tell with moving so quickly.

I mainly focus on CC and support, so once my grenades are popped I shift focus to CC in order for party to nuke the boss.

[last pewter]

the Arbite dog tag is its own thing

not sure if it visually overrides the outline, haven't paid attention, but the extra damage is still there

[midnight totem]

good lord

two plague ogryns, twins, plus captain all at once

[sudden cedar]

Sounds..strangely familiar.

[void dragon]

ok i think i can Give up, i dont think i can make something that makes use of the Combat shotguns that feels good to use like the DBshotgun

really the weapon family doesnt feel there, and i have used shredder for ok efficieny

[hollow ibex]

just run it with exec stance and pretend you have an IAG or something

[void dragon]

you know what's the worse part of that? you could say the same for stuff like the Brautos and inf lasguns
And be EQUALLY wrong

[hollow ibex]

Well brauto works well with ES too

[void dragon]

does it? have yet to try that at least (also kinda giving up on it too)

[iron marten]

It's pretty fun to do brauto es yeah

[void dragon]

ES alone or with any node?

[iron marten]

Just es alone. The keystones I run with it are either mmf or ws depending on my mood

and either knife or taxe

[formal hamlet]

What's the dump on braced auto? Mobility? I feel like someone said collat once so wanna make sure.

[hollow ibex]

Yes, makes them pretty viable and fun in auric

[narrow frost]

Mobility and mk7(?) dumps collat

Checking real quick

Mk8 is collat

They changed the numbers, I forgot

[formal hamlet]

Mk8 doesn't seem to have collat.

[narrow frost]

Guh

[formal hamlet]

Mk 2 and 4 do.

[narrow frost]

Okay, disregard me and just dump mobility

I will find this out later

[void dragon]

GRAIA dumps collateral

the others iirc have stopping power instead

and you want that so you dump mobi

[narrow frost]

I hate how they changed names

[void dragon]

yeah, its a headache

dumb question of the day: does the dog on the Arbites count as a passive the same way Ogryn have dodge stagger on fodders?

[lime pendant]

I would also like to know.

[hollow ibex]

i'm confused by the question 🤔

i mean it's a passive in the sense that dog comes with arbites by default

you don't need to spend anything to get it

[void dragon]

Yeah but i wonder if it's coded to be a passive for the class, so we could have a hint that ObeseFish is standarizing the rework for zealot, and hopefuly veteran, to have that kind of passives

[mellow adder]

OMG TY BRUNT!! 😍

[hollow ibex]

oh no clue

[formal hamlet]

ffs lol thought I'd try Auric with this bujild Choco suggested, 4x Arbites on auric which I'm not accustomed to yet, we breezed through.

[unreal nova]

Our passive is rarely used.

Is that, you can use cover and ADS to peek over.

[formal hamlet]

I feel like part of why this feels so strong (not the build, the class) is because we get a buncha nodes that give damage to stagger, and when you're running with other Arbiters you kinda feed off each others constant staggers to get tons of damage?

That's my layman's take so far.

[unreal nova]

Great passive btw, next to useless.

I still get shot behind cover.

Before even ADSing.

[void dragon]

you mean kinda like how arbites also does?

[formal hamlet]

Arbites makes their own cover with shield.

[iron marten]

Also, there's a node where you can get 10% toughness back on stagger

[formal hamlet]

They are the cover.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah that too.

[void dragon]

that too

[unreal nova]

Is REALLY strong.

[iron marten]

Arbites is stupid tanky even in havoc

[formal hamlet]

Like these mfs were running through the level so fast I was struggling to keep up and not get left behind.

[unreal nova]

You stagger every hit so...

[iron marten]

Their shock maul, if you have the rending nodes, and break the line, can kill a crusher in 1s or less

[void dragon]

I swear, vet should get a passive that is that you get extra crit chance when hitting weakspots or something like that

[iron marten]

Beyond stupid

[formal hamlet]

Feels almost cheesy that auric feels much more managable for me if I'm playing on my Arbiter, maybe I just got some good RNG with teammates, who knows.

[iron marten]

3600dps on carapace is not okay lmao

[formal hamlet]

When I look at other Arbiters they''re just killing everything with maul or shotgun.

[iron marten]

Arbites made me appreciate the combat shotguns more instead of their own

Built a vet with a tac axe and combat shotgun and went to town with it

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I quite like the agripina shotgun after trying it today on them.

[unreal nova]

And they dare to mock me saying the class is balanced and not strong, just good.

[formal hamlet]

Just shotgun getting buffed in general is great.

[iron marten]

Zarona Shottie my favourite imo

[void dragon]

Taxe is good, but imo Cshotguns are still kinda garbo tasting

[unreal nova]

I called the Pay2Win.

[iron marten]

Thanks to someone saying that two shotting maulers and mutants with a ridiculous ammo pool is funny af

[formal hamlet]

I think it's too early to say either way, it feels strong, like I feel like I'm able to do more with less effort compared to my Vet, but that's not saying much.

[iron marten]

Really? I think they're alright. Though I only used it in havoc rank 30. Maybe 40 will change my mind lol

[unreal nova]

It is strong, When you can do aurics at 400 ping with 25 damage taken and just bullying everything no think...

Well.

[formal hamlet]

I don't think I'd be breezing through auric like this if I were on my Vet, I feel like it was a breeze because it was quad Arbiters.

[iron marten]

It was on pus hardened as well btw

[slow mica]

i dont think arbites is gonna be nerfed any time soon because the people that want the clas to be OP will throw a riot if its nerfed

[rotund pond]

anyone else notice that the "good weapon skins" are never in the shop and we only ever get the same reskins/pattern based skins for weapons in the shop

[slow mica]

i want the bolt pistol skin but it hasnt been in the store for ages

[formal hamlet]

Maybe. Maybe it's the old let it be broken early on release, and once everyone's paid for it and the community is fed up with how good it is, they can say nerf time.

[unreal nova]

There was one on the noble update.

unless you mean yorrick.

[slow mica]

the skin on the store right now is only for the bolter not the bolt pistol

[formal hamlet]

I think FatShark doesn't want cosmetics money, or they don't want to hire a guy to help them sell it, either way the way they do cosmetics feels really, really underwhelming.

[iron marten]

Well considering how ogryn is still right now, I don't think they're nerfing arbites

[unreal nova]

Noble update.

So update before skulls.

[slow mica]

yeah but its not on the store right now

i didnt have cash for cosmetics at the time

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I hear Ogryn's very strong. I don't have one but I've seen some Ogryn's carry the team.

[unreal nova]

You can treat it as basically gone. FOMO store.

[tropic notch]

A good zealot or psyker will still out preform them

A terrible oggy will be equal with them lol

[unreal nova]

Look, Psyker can outdamage on high havoc, but will drop the second they get touched.

[slow mica]

an arbites that doesnt know how to play the game will still outperform the zealot and Vet

[tropic notch]

Even on melee psyker you do better

[unreal nova]

Their dogs just carry them.

[tropic notch]

This is silly

[unreal nova]

Melee psyker is the epitome of damage but insane risks. You kark up, you dead.

[slow mica]

im mostly tired of all lobbies being arbites

[unreal nova]

It's true though...

[iron marten]

Ye same, I want to hear the other voicelines as well lol

[tropic notch]

Naur

[unreal nova]

You can play other classes.

[void dragon]

have you used them on vet or Arbites?

[iron marten]

Arbites

And my skills were mostly on the stagger melee side

[rotund pond]

some of the amazing skins like the Duelist autogun, Drop-trooper combat knife, blessed bolt pistol, Absolute cerelius (power sword) i have not seen in the shop for atleast a year

[void dragon]

ah, now that make sense...

[rotund pond]

ive been waiting for that autogun skin to be in the shop for a long time

[iron marten]

I already play vet :p. Seeing myself then 3 arbites and I'll know I can just die and they can solo the entire game

[unreal nova]

More or less. you ammo dispenser.

[iron marten]

Oh yeah true

[formal hamlet]

I said this the other day, but it's so amusing to me I will say it again; it's not a good look when gacha games have character re-runs sooner than the FatShark cosmetics store brings back a skin someone wants.

[iron marten]

They need Survivalist

[void dragon]

have been running Vet surrounded by Arbys, the veredict is that some builds of Vet can compeete and even beat them on damage, issue is that when i take Arby myself the gaps when I over perform are VASTLY more

[slow mica]

they just want a vet for gold toughness

[iron marten]

The shock trooper combat knife came back as the legacy of vraks knife a couple of months ago

[slow mica]

thats basically what we are now and ammo and tougness dispenser

[unreal nova]

Oh and MAYBE 'nades.

[void dragon]

Vet on the eyes of Arbites

[unreal nova]

If they aren't lone wolf and not using dog bomb.

[tropic notch]

Vets power sword is still one of the best melees in the game

[iron marten]

It's okay guys, we can give them gold toughness, checkmate arbites

[tropic notch]

Ps with hellbore will turn a game off

[slow mica]

right because a single weapon makes the class balanced

[rotund pond]

;-;

[void dragon]

sounds like a really slow combo, lots of peel needed but would be worth protecting

[slow mica]

a weapon that in order to work you have to always use use power cycler no matter what

[tropic notch]

Try the knife, tac axe, combat axe, or ds mk5

[slow mica]

go play arbites and then come back to pretend the Vet is still strong

[tropic notch]

It took a second to get used to, dealing with bons solo is hard

[formal hamlet]

Haha, was going through my Darktide clips today, this is what 300 hours on Darktide looks like boys.

[tropic notch]

Other than that it’s so amazing

[void dragon]

Taxe def is amazing, Caxe idk, Knife is good and we dont talk of the DS, its not real

[iron marten]

Rip would've voc'd there

[tropic notch]

You literally have infinite ammo with shock trooper

[iron marten]

Free 12 secs off on cooldown from those 2!!!

[formal hamlet]

Yeah in hindsight, good idea.

[mighty anvil]

DS beats it though in terms of being an Elite Killer?

[void dragon]

Arbys protecting you: Free ammo AND packs? thanks boss

[iron marten]

But PS is good at horde clear and elite killer. You only have to deal with powering it up and mobility

[hollow ibex]

PS will kill elites faster

[tropic notch]

Combat axe is amazing on vet, with headtaker bm + unarmored flak

[rotund pond]

had something similar where i was being slammed by a charger, 2 poxbursters had a glitched spawn and decided to auto kill me

[tropic notch]

Narp

[unreal nova]

Talking about using DS, especially outside of H40 is like exclaiming how small you are.

[formal hamlet]

Also I don't know about Gue'la lore but fuck me that's a police isssue gimp mask, no?

[mighty anvil]

I don't need to prove i'm a good player by making the game harder

[rotund pond]

ive never seen this helmet in arbites promotional/lore pictures so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

[iron marten]

Got this funny clip of my friend while levelling arby

[formal hamlet]

Oh man that reminds me of the amount of times I've had a charger toss me into bursters and I'm like "You know what...well played."

[tropic notch]

We accept the ds 5 it’s the others we hate

[unreal nova]

Using the dueling sword usually tells the opposite. Good players don't need the crutch stick.

[mighty anvil]

i tried Psword and it just felt clunky idk

[void dragon]

even that one is still quite superior

[formal hamlet]

I pinged a burster for my dog once, this happened, and I was like "fuck that dog" after that.

[void dragon]

but it is indeed the weaker one

[rotund pond]

you gotta get it to max level and then itll be fun to use, as with the chained energized hits with sunder dealing extra dmg with headshots/weakpoints your nuking hordes of unarmored/flak

[tropic notch]

Preach it

Preach it

[tropic notch]

I like the trade off

[iron marten]

Please sir, I only ds for my commissar vet with laspistol. Pls forgive me

[void dragon]

what trade off? its still busted

[iron marten]

Tbh, the dogless node is just insanely good for stagger build

[mighty anvil]

can it 2 shot ogryns?

[unreal nova]

You can go dog and stagger, lul.

[tropic notch]

Well you get insane moblity for less damage

[iron marten]

Nade regen, attack speed, and tdr are insane for one point

[tame lodge]

Man's best friend

[mighty anvil]

this is my roll with it

[tropic notch]

Should

[mighty anvil]

the shit is not 2 shotting ogryns i must be using it wrong

[iron marten]

Honestly yeah. Just the way I play works really well dogless

[tropic notch]

Push attack then light

[unreal nova]

I like the doggo running around helping to clear up while mace to the face things.

[mighty anvil]

ohhh thank you

[iron marten]

shock mine in havoc is insane though. Nade regen with that and you basically have a corridor for free kills every minute

[tropic notch]

That should 2 shot crushers

As well

[mighty anvil]

I see

[void dragon]

has same damage than a Caxe, better even AND is infinitelly more safe because dodges and range

[mighty anvil]

So is PA+L the go go to for elite killing?

[formal hamlet]

900 internet bucks for this feels wild.

[tropic notch]

Guh

[formal hamlet]

It looks so similar to the 20 mastery skin.

[void dragon]

i just tested it mate

[tropic notch]

That or just light spam

[unreal nova]

Everyone knows. $8 to raise visor.

[formal hamlet]

Haha, that too.

[iron marten]

I want the bolter skin but nahhh

I got the inquisitor vet though. Not passing up on that

[void dragon]

glad i dont need it because i have male Arby and i need no see mine unlike the female Arbys

[tropic notch]

Owari da

[void dragon]

Mō owatta

[void dragon]

and THIS is why you keep the dogo command on 2 tap instead on single one

[iron marten]

Technically my fault he died but his dog also pushed it so shhh

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @mighty anvil build i run with it

[iron marten]

Helbore4

Based

[mighty anvil]

This is the build I got my Auric Maelstorm title with, before auric was nerfed. Now I just run meta builds because I find them fun.

[unreal nova]

I missed the Commissar one already.

[iron marten]

67% finesse and no unarmoured

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent do the hellbores have different drawtimes?

[unreal nova]

I run everything as a support 'nadier. I did my ASS at 300 ping.

[tropic notch]

Change maniac to unarmored on the caxe and it’s perfect

[iron marten]

Can I have a comissar coat with the coat actually closed fatshark? Tks

[void dragon]

have one build for each Helbore from a while, even for smokes

runs smoothly even on Auric

on a good team they could run havoc im sure

[unreal nova]

430 +3 stam for my Arbie?

[mighty anvil]

my point being I didn't research meta until I got bored of the game and wnated to try a new build, i play this for fun now I wish they brought back auric spawns though

[unreal nova]

Game is telling me to go +9 stam soon?

[tropic notch]

Also @void dragon https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/terrible-melee-psyker-build can you test the tac axe mk7 boss damage in havoc 40?

With dd stacks?

[unreal nova]

Dunno. i don't mind it open though.

[void dragon]

with this build? one sec

[tropic notch]

Yah

[unreal nova]

+17% toughness for Zealot...

And +21% hp for psyker...

[mighty anvil]

I hate hellbore

The concept is really cool but in practice it feels so underwhelming.

[tall torrent]

no

[iron marten]

rip vigilant autoguns

[tropic notch]

Dbarrel, revolver, bolt pistol are good substitutes

[mighty anvil]

Definitely going to make Psword my new main though!

[tropic notch]

We did it Reddit

Another ds user cured

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-funny-cat-meme-tweaking-gif-1135020915071455925

[formal hamlet]

What a good recon las build for tackling high difficulties?

[tough tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/976692067910713395/1347100442043224064/caption.gif

@tropic notch

[unreal nova]

I mean, I'm always a knoife main. I only used DS because I wanted to be less of a load on the carries tbh. But then again, knoife more crits so book back faster.

[mighty anvil]

Yeah Bistol is my favorite https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcd44a6-6a8c-48b6-b439-7dde7d9c3e6b/varangian-guard-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist this has been my go to build for the longest time

[void dragon]

Its kinda good, takes a while to down a H40 Chaos spawn but is VERY safe, 114 seconds aprox
(Can be faster but you need RNGeezus to bless you)

[formal hamlet]

Target Down vs. Redirect Fire, which one is more important to have?

[iron marten]

Is target down the +5% one?

[formal hamlet]

Yeah.

[iron marten]

If so, I usually pick that

I only take redirect fire if I also have the 8 stacks

[formal hamlet]

Someone yesterday said to me Redirect Fire is like the main reason you get Fous Target, so I wasn't sure.

I heard 8 stacks is bait and not worth taking.

[iron marten]

Yeah, I usually take that if I have spare points lol

[void dragon]

so:
Target down value of support is good to keep team topped up on toughness in the middle of a fight, as a solo tool it helps push attack spam from Psword and has surprising good work for Deadshot + Laspistol uptime of crits and free ammo
Redirect fire is more of a "hey team, guess what? have some more damage for doing exactly what you were doing" is not much but being team wide is a good boon paired with the amp damage of the keystone

both are on the "take if you want and have spare points" tier

[iron marten]

^^

I use knife so the stamina helps ALOT

[formal hamlet]

I see. I would have thought extra toughness is good at higher difficulties.

[iron marten]

I used to run meme deadshot builds with helbore4 though

Stamina management was hard lol

[void dragon]

it is, but the rate you will have stacks of the mark will be not as impactful as you would think

[formal hamlet]

Ah, makes sense.

[void dragon]

allies will have other means to get toughness themselves anyway

[formal hamlet]

Plus I got VoC.

[void dragon]

they have more value on getting a crew of jerks off them than more toughness

[iron marten]

I wish vet got a toughness on hit instead of kill 🥹

[formal hamlet]

That's Arbiter baby.

[iron marten]

You could go from 0 toughness to 50% toughness on one swing with the arby

[void dragon]

on kill is fine for a ranged focused class, issue is that for a ranged focused class vet isnt made for current age Darktide

[iron marten]

Breakpoints are kinda hard to reach on h40. Though I imagine h40 isn't meant to be balanced so whatever

[ancient path]

chad combat axe user

[void dragon]

feel that H30 is where your dream of balance start to die, at least for the averange joe

[iron marten]

I guess psyker is just a better ranged option cause anything you do with peril regens toughness

[iron marten]

ofc there are some insane vets out there. I've seen level 2000 vets go in h40 without voc and come out on top

[void dragon]

funny, a class that has a mechanic and it interacts in gameplay to encourage doing that? hey Vet, you heard that

[void dragon]

Exe stance Bolters doing the Empreror's duty

[iron marten]

At the very least, iron will should not be down thay far in the tree

[iron marten]

[void dragon]

Longshot should not be a$$ to start, that entire side of the perk tree is dead because of it

[unreal nova]

No, you clearly need to pay more tax nodes even if they are decent to get to it.

[void dragon]

and if you dont want to pay the tax nodes, we now have the space Police to beat you your rights

[unreal nova]

Or just "vet" oggy going full melee and heavy stubber.

[void dragon]

Legit have a sniper build for ogryn because the Hstubbers are that good to cosplay as a better Veteran

[iron marten]

[unreal nova]

Thus...

[formal hamlet]

Okay this is what I ended up with, dunno if good enough.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f33804a-f457-4b95-8246-5c9070b1b990/veteran-recon-lasgun-7

I think other one was wrong link, that should work.

[iron marten]

I'd say for the psword, do carapace and elite so you can 2shot crushers

[formal hamlet]

I think with the current setup on it, I'm able to 3 tap them with stab into 2 lights combo.

But if there's no downside I can do that.

I've put damage resistance to gunners on my curios since they don't seem to fuck around on auric, melt me right down.

[mighty anvil]

alright psword is definitely fun

[hollow birch]

How is hellbore post buff?

[tame lodge]

Best ranged on vet

*always has been

3a is the best of both worlds

[half shore]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

😔 damn

[steep pier]

i need to pratice more getting sloppy with sniping with my helbore

they reduced the attack speed of the bayonet

thats the only noticeable difference for me

[void dragon]

they increased the hitbox of the beam, so headshots are quite easier to land

[lime pendant]

would run for views

[formal hamlet]

Duelling sword get nerfed yet or still on the way?

[lime pendant]

not to my knowledge, but God-Emperor can only hope its on the way.

Shovel is the One and Holy Truth.

[formal hamlet]

I may as well buy one and get it to master 20 before then.

[lime pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-nods-stoic-all-for-it-gif-16520055968792281360

[formal hamlet]

Which mark for shovel? I wanna level that too.

[lime pendant]

standby. I'll send you my full build. it's great CC.

[tame lodge]

Still on the way

Soon™

[tame lodge]

1 or 7

[unreal nova]

1 or 3. 1 is the best for general use. 3 is 1 shot crusher memes.

[void dragon]

i fear it will be another Psword mk, i want a power fists! even if its for Veteran

[tame lodge]

Uncanny is highly recommended

[unreal nova]

Power FIST and bolt pistol.

Like Fuklaw.

[formal hamlet]

Well you both at least agree on Mk 1 so I'll use that one lol.

[unreal nova]

Smash your fist into the face of your foes.

[lime pendant]

considering how fast I play, it wouldn't make sense.

I'm not here for optimization. I'm here for fuckery and chaos goblin.

[void dragon]

The Calgar cosplay

[hollow ibex]

"how fast i play"

takes thrust

[unreal nova]

No, Commissar Fuklaw.

[lime pendant]

I charge while sliding and wide arc the strikes.

[ancient path]

agrip shotty is a lot of fun

just ree reload speeds

i love agile engagement too much for shotties to really drop it for more reload speed

[lime pendant]

melee is for when I run out of ammo for my shredder pistol.

I am not the main character in Darktide. I run support.

[hollow ibex]

yeah it feels really good now

[ancient path]

plump amphibian should put in a pump action

[void dragon]

But commissar Fuklaw is already here, see?

[unreal nova]

No, he is old man.

Fueled by rage and anger.

[void dragon]

ah, Commissar John Fuklaw, that makes sense

[unreal nova]

Only Commissar the Angry Mahreens fear.

[formal hamlet]

I assume this duelling sword is good for hordes too, even though it looks single target focussed?

Since people always say it's so good.

[lime pendant]

it's boring as fuck for hordes. It'll keep them off you, but you won't solve much that way.

[void dragon]

DS is not good vs hordes, the real key feature is not only how it erase elites but how fast it is

both in dodges and mobility

[formal hamlet]

Interesting, maybe I'm meant to toss a nade or use my plasma.

Using a build Reginald has in a video.

Plasma gun, DS, frags, with VoC.

[mighty anvil]

@tropic notch Thank you for the Psword tutorial btw.

[formal hamlet]

Not sure what his horde clear options are meant to be for this.

[void dragon]

that's why Frag nades are so important for vet, he doesnt have many non melee weapon ways to deal with hordes, DBShotgun being one of the few

[formal hamlet]

Ah so that's what DB shotgun is for, I've not used it yet.

[lime pendant]

let others take the hordes, chase your name popping up in the corner for killed whatever

[formal hamlet]

I'll try, but on higher diffs it feels like I need to be very self sufficient, especially playing with randos.

[lime pendant]

vet doesn't lend itself well to moderate builds. You kinda gotta go all in on one.

[lime pendant]

call me fucking crazy, but shredder pistol.

[formal hamlet]

He's also using WS with the ammo regen node for the plasma, not seen that before.

[faint beacon]

Holy shit paying Vet in an Arby stack is miserable

[lime pendant]

with krak

[formal hamlet]

Yeah lol.

[unreal nova]

||Also, Commissar Raege is hawt.||

[formal hamlet]

TBH playing anything but Ogryn in an arby stack feels miserable probably.

[lime pendant]

that's.... kinda why we play vet? We hate ourselves.

[formal hamlet]

I played vet because I was led to believe I can shoot everything instead of resorting to melee.

[lime pendant]

Darktide is a melee game homie.

[unreal nova]

Drop 1 frag for weaken, drop 2 to kill anything small, drop 3 for overkill, drop 4 if you really want everything but crushers ded.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I thought Vermintide was a melee game and Darktide was trying to be a bit of both.

[tropic notch]

The true ranged class is psyker

[lime pendant]

you aren't wrong.

[unreal nova]

Is exactly that. You get to play good ammo dispenser or good gold toughness +damage for bosses.

[formal hamlet]

I can't give them gold toughness if they're running miles ahead of me.

[lime pendant]

playing a veteran is like...... playing ranger in D&D. It only really shines when you already have the rest of the bases covered and need that dude to fill in the gaps.

[formal hamlet]

Them mfs don't need extra toughness they shit toughness for days.

[unreal nova]

Is why it's 80% arbites and 19% oggies. Rest are masochists.

[lime pendant]

and even then, the rest of the party just wishes for another rogue.

or fighter.

or cleric.

IE: psyker, ogryn, or zealot.

[formal hamlet]

I'm scared the moment I use this duelling sword for the first time I'm gonna get hooked on it.

[unreal nova]

That's why you are forced to have both stamina delay nodes and knoife.

[formal hamlet]

It looks so goofy when I see people using it though.

Do we have really low stam or something? I'm running 2 toughness and 1 stam curio, got stam regen on the perks. I still feel slow compared to other classes.

Maybe it's my weapons.

[unreal nova]

You understand why some just sacrifice for it... once you touch it... it taints you forever.

[faint beacon]

Arby drop just making me realize "wow, vet needs help even more now"

[lime pendant]

or alternatively:

really puts how much the imperial guard sucks wiener and how disposable they are.

[steep pier]

i'd rather get powerclaw

then powerfist

[faint beacon]

I mean the Arbites are no better, recall Veterans know how to kill a CSM with only lasguns

[steep pier]

or that modified powerclaw tyberus has

[unreal nova]

I wasn't lying when I said vet needs buffs and not nerfs. Not atm...

[formal hamlet]

I saw Reginald video yesterday saying Vet is very different from launch and he's become this support melee hybrid when he used to be the team's sharpshooter.

[steep pier]

basically a powerfist combined with power talons and extra chainblades that come out from the bottom

[lime pendant]

I'm talking in the big picture. Space Marines (loyalist or otherwise) are supposed to be so rare as to be mythical.

[formal hamlet]

I want a T'au plasma carbine.

[lime pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/somebody-please-get-this-man-a-gun-john-wick-get-this-man-a-gun-ge-this-man-a-gun-gif-10261382558456382529

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-keanu-reeves-john-wick-john-wick-chapter3parabellum-tired-gif-17469677

"I...huff I just need a gun..."

[steep pier]

but its a combination of power fist has power tlaons overtop and extra chainblades that come out the bottom a relic and hybridized weapon

[lime pendant]

this chat needs more john wick memes.

[steep pier]

i'd like something like that

but thats not something we will get sadly

[lime pendant]

what if we could sacrifice a curio slot in exchange for a weapon with 2 extra perks

[steep pier]

that would be interesting

[lime pendant]

or some type of equivalency.

[steep pier]

possibly a thing for a new game mode

[void dragon]

"would give a leg for a pencil"

[lime pendant]

or a vet only feature.

[steep pier]

i don't have any issues as vet

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-parabellum-laurence-fishburne-asia-kate-dillon-bowery-king-gif-22032288

[steep pier]

but since the 1st week i could get helbore

[lime pendant]

but I use a shovel

[tame lodge]

Then there's also launch veteran being the most broken class in the game

[steep pier]

i've been using it as my only vet gun

[tame lodge]

Tankier than ogryn

Better melee than zealot

[lime pendant]

vet comparatively needs some serious love.

[steep pier]

week 1 power sword

[tame lodge]

Launch power sword

[steep pier]

was like basically

7 hits

with pc

[lime pendant]

oh jesus fuck vet and launch was bananas

[steep pier]

it was funny

i miss our infinite dodges as psyker

[formal hamlet]

I was there on launch and I don't remember any of that lol.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-its-so-peak-rayleigh-gif-18066990322494779748

[formal hamlet]

Time flies I guess.

[steep pier]

rayleigh

[lime pendant]

Really? Dude the vet at launch was like the ONLY class for miles. Psker was all but abandoned because it was so useless.

[steep pier]

i liked psyker

[lime pendant]

but you have to admit, launch-psker was extremely squishy and useless.

[steep pier]

not useless

squishy eys

[formal hamlet]

Alright so Reginald is uding Rising Heat and Gets hot, with Flak and Unyielding on his plasma.
I'm using flak + cara, blaze away and gets hot. Can I keep my stuff or is his setup better?

[steep pier]

i miss pre nerf bb

[lime pendant]

they were squishy to the point of useless*

[steep pier]

or pre nerf rock on ogryn

[lime pendant]

if you could keep them alive they were based as fuck.

[steep pier]

give us back our good rock

[lime pendant]

Rock is still the highest damage in single shot in the game I thought?

[steep pier]

nope

[lime pendant]

Seriously, tell me if I'm wrong.

[steep pier]

does very little vs carp and monsters now

[lime pendant]

No shit? What overtook it?

AH the nerfed it circumstantially then? IE carapace and monstrosities.

[steep pier]

yes

[faint beacon]

Yeah Vet is ass vs Arby

[steep pier]

it was actually really good for monster stagger pre nerf

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[lime pendant]

I don't play ogryn much and don't pay much attention.

[tame lodge]

He has the wrong perks

Flak Unarmored

[faint beacon]

I straight up have lost interest in playing this class

[tame lodge]

But Gets Hot Rising Heat is right

[steep pier]

but still it gives ogryn the most distance he can have by just holding it

rock is good for dodging

gets hot is right

[lime pendant]

Even against krork belt feds?

[tame lodge]

Currently
Helbore Mk4 fully charged shot

[steep pier]

which version

single our double

but yes

no perks or anyhting needed

rock just gives a big dodge distance

[lime pendant]

I thought single was better than double due to dmg per shot?

Seriously asking, like I said, I don't pay much attention to the metas.

[lime pendant]

oooo is it time for butcherpete to put his Krieg outfit once again?

[tame lodge]

They did get buffed

[steep pier]

im asking about the dodge distance

betweeen both

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-robert-pattinson-suit-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-9336155743238770356

[steep pier]

which color

i've been wearing the black color krieg outfit since i got it

[lime pendant]

helbore and shovel, its time to get krieg-y once again

Just blast the fuck out of individual enemies with a single shot.

turns on sabaton

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25090491

[steep pier]

there is a krieg calvary saber skin

[lime pendant]

I'm sorry. Excuse the fuck out of me? Did you say krieg cavalry saber?

Sign me the fuck up

(I was a cavalry scout in the US Army, so cavalry-anything makes me giddy)

WAIT. Am I gonna need to use the dueling sword? Because that might be a dealbreaker.

[steep pier]

its a skin for the dueling sword yes

[lime pendant]

Fuck. I am about that shovel supremacy.

[steep pier]

lol

its a krieg cosmetic

its why i got it

it was part of a rotation for psyker a while back

[lime pendant]

GOD DAMNIT

[steep pier]

but the issue there

psyker can't use shovel

[lime pendant]

What's the meta-build for helbore?

[steep pier]

i typically like surgical myself

and depending on variant

i use a few different things

[hollow ibex]

usually a combination of surgical, and then hotshot/armorbane/wof

[steep pier]

along with surgical

right

[lime pendant]

perks?

[steep pier]

the one t speed up charge is good on the heaviest variant

weight of fire

but the heaviest variant has a slash attack with the bayonet which is garbage

[lime pendant]

crit chance + carapace?

[hollow ibex]

crit chance not needed because surgical

honestly i'd just do unyielding/cara

[steep pier]

maniac is nice

[hollow ibex]

maniac should be a good option too yeah

idk the new breakpoints

after the helbore buff

[lime pendant]

Cara + maniac?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that'd work

[steep pier]

maniac is for getting a single headshot kill

on ragers

but

[steep pier]

it all depends on which variant you use

[lime pendant]

wait I didn't check the variant. hol'up

[steep pier]

do you use the longshot perk

to turn stam into a buff while ads

or whatever its called now

its not neccesary but can be fun

[lime pendant]

mkIV?

[hollow ibex]

longshot is a trap

please don't take longshot

friends don't let friends take longshot

[steep pier]

lol

i do just fine with

[hollow ibex]

you'd do even better if you spent that talent point

on something that wasn't a trap

[steep pier]

i only take longshot if i use the heaviest variant

otherwise i don't use it

[hollow ibex]

you just shouldn't take it

period

[lime pendant]

here we go. Good to go?

[steep pier]

bo

no

not longshot

its deadshot

i take

[hollow ibex]

oh lol

[steep pier]

for the heavy variant

i said turns stam into a buff while ads

[hollow ibex]

yeah deadshot's niche but it's not totally dogshit like longshit

[steep pier]

lol

[void dragon]

a good samaritan doing public service

[steep pier]

deadshot is fun to mess with but not neccsary

[gaunt anchor]

I AGREE

I WANT MORE TAU

[void dragon]

we have genestealers and Aeldari so far in the story, idk how much we can stretch the concept with also Tau influence

(and yet im still hoping for a felinida assassin class :-D)

[formal hamlet]

Warhammer T'autide: Greater Good Edition

Hell at this point I'd even accept T'au as enemies in Darktide.

Like Kroot rushing us while FireWarriors etc. are the specials/elites.

I just want a good T'au game tbh.

FireWarrior was...something.

[gaunt anchor]

So true so true

I am an unbiased source

I have not fallen for farsight propaganda and pretty blue women

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/commander-farsight-warhammer40k-tau-empire-tau-gif-16294167

I don't need a dog, I have a drone.

Probably plural.

[serene bough]

Why is there tau propaganda in my veteran chat

[formal hamlet]

Veteran is a T'au at heart. He just wants to shoot.

[gaunt anchor]

You are so right for that nem

(I have a tau OC so I am biased)

[ancient path]

show me them

[serene bough]

[formal hamlet]

VoC is just T'au ethereal pheromones giving morale boost.

[serene bough]

Then what is zealot book

[formal hamlet]

Tbh I don't know much about Zealots, not very T'au.

[serene bough]

I dont like this i dont want to be associated with the tau

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bodyguard-dawn-of-war-tau-empire-execute-warhammer40k-gif-23588379

[gaunt anchor]

VoC is a fire caste warrior gal telling me anything 🫡

[formal hamlet]

Man I miss Dawn of War, that game was fire.

[gaunt anchor]

Want me to kill them? Yes ma'am! Anything for you ma'am

😌 tau women are good for the soul

[serene bough]

This reminds me of a webm I saw back when the meme channel still existed

[gaunt anchor]

I see you staring, yall just jealous I get to eat real food

[serene bough]

Man i miss the meme channel

[unreal nova]

||I'm Slaaneshi. I have luxury foods and such in excess.||

[gaunt anchor]

Luxury foods aren't always good food 😔

[narrow frost]

Arby did not kill vet

[formal hamlet]

I do not recommend. I bought this career a year later after Sister of thorns was nerfed, but it was still worth it because the class is fun and the javelin was extremely useful, especially on her and handmaiden. Now YEARS later they decided to nerf this DLC again with the javelins. Be aware if you purchase this or any other career, fatshark can replace it at any time as they please with the excuse of "balance"

Was thinking about installed Vermintide to see how that plays, I have it in library.

Check reviews, I see this.

Imagine warning people that DLC might get balance patches in 2025.

[serene bough]

I always wanted to play vermintide but I never cared for warhammer fantasy

[formal hamlet]

Yeah same I don't know shit about fantasy WH.

[serene bough]

Told myself if they release a 40k version I'd totally play... and here we are 🙂

[formal hamlet]

I barely know shit about 40K Warhammer tbh, if it's not T'au I ignore it generally.

[unreal nova]

If you get 3 ppl who gets carried whatever class they use and you are someone with skill. That's a big difference.

But vet is kill if we are discussing perfectly equally skilled players.

[gaunt anchor]

you are so right for this bestie

[serene bough]

Always liked the guard

Never liked aliens

[gaunt anchor]

I liked guard, I have the kasrkin and tempestous Scion Kill teams

the Scions are just, so fucking cool, I want them as cosmetics in DT

[serene bough]

Id like tanith

Im sure they'll add similar kinds of cosmetics when they add the longlas

[steep pier]

well kroot are basically

like the catachan

when do we get to play as a catachan though

or a felinid or something

[ancient path]

ethereal waht

[void dragon]

Heresy
*Pulls out Bolt pistol

[grand perch]

tau arent the only ones into that
https://youtu.be/VG4uFkQAJ1A

[midnight totem]

what are the preferred blessings for shock mauls?

I'm assuming skull crusher and high voltage?

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher + Hammerblow is a good pick

Something something

Heavy attacks staggering Ragers out of their combo

[crude star]

which movement boost skill is probably best

er wrong chat

[grand perch]

im trying to think of a build that'll make the most of the accatran c. shotgun. as in the fire special shot one. but it just remains underwhelming

patch didnt do enough. more damage, ammo, cleave and slight changes to the range are nice but the damage output still just isnt there

like, it can melt poxwalker hordes with its special...great? its great against the weakest enemies. cool.

[zenith arrow]

just started using the Veteran; is it me or is the combat shotgun kinda underwhelming?

[void dragon]

compared to stuff like Helbore, plasma, Bolter and maybe recon? yeah

[grand perch]

theyre all pretty lackluster still. agrip shotgun has some merit though

[topaz lance]

agri can be a good head clicker with exe stance

[grand perch]

gets a huge damage bonus from marksman focus as well, if thats your jam

[placid portal]

shotgooning all over the enemies, not a weapon for what veterans prefer to do lol

[short vapor]

Vet heritage post

[ruby plover]

What’s the current vet meta? It’s the only class I haven’t maxed

[grand perch]

real vets turn a knife fight into a gun fight eh

[short vapor]

can't do this on vet

[grand perch]

course you can

serrated blade and all

[topaz lance]

ds, plasma, voc, go to sleep

[sudden cedar]

Don't forget to use "Need ammo" throughout the entire mission because you use your plasma gun to shoot everything. Everything.

[tacit sonnet]

psyker

[bold sierra]

Dclaw GIGA value, vs 8 Dreg Ragers H40 modifier with Final Toll

[steep flower]

I have a build mah guy

[steep flower]

I need to show ya how it works in practice; its not that obvious

[grand perch]

sounds ominous

ive gone with a WS build to force crits for flechette and manstopper plus mk 6 knife

[iron marten]

bro, is it placebo, or is the tac axe actually good in h40 lol

[topaz lance]

There was always the meme crit manstopper flechette build, I guess it could be more viable now.

[grand perch]

embrace the tac axe mind rot

[iron marten]

I have fully embraced it in auric

I said goodbye to my trusty mk6 combat knife

and now I'm using it in h40

my hands hurt though...

[steep flower]

always has been

[steep flower]

yeah now i see why it was lacking for ya; when you will be free tonight?

[iron marten]

thank you tac axe lol

[sterile sparrow]

Hello there, can someone please link me a good build with the combat axe? It's been a while since I last played.

[tacit sonnet]

https://i.vgy.me/6Tu5aP.png
https://i.vgy.me/y1bmy3.png

Or this instead of onslaught, I just like onslaught

https://i.vgy.me/4dG4F2.png

[plain osprey]

I just had a pipe dream idea. Exe stance build plus one of the combat shotguns

Ideas? Yay? Nay?

[topaz lance]

yay; go for the agri shotgun

you can go for the WS (probably better) or MMF keystone

[gray anvil]

Im getting back into this game after a big break is revovler vet still pretty good

[topaz lance]

ye

[gray anvil]

Nice to know imma trying to jump back into it

[terse bluff]

What is the better weapon for veteran in yall's opinion, devil's claw or power sword?

I like the power sword because of power cycler but the mobility is horrendous.

[deep bone]

I personally like both because of how good Powerswords ad clear is

[grand perch]

You're comparing one of the worst melee weapons with the absolute best (psword)

[terse bluff]

Don't get me wrong, I love the power sword, its the first melee I maxed out. My only situation is that when shit hits the fan, I move at the speed of smell.

Prolly just a me issue tho.

Im just looking for alternatives that arent the dueling sword.

[torn gorge]

Mk6 knife

Best mobility, better horde clear than ds

[terse bluff]

I'll check it out, saw a zealot omni moving with it once.

[lavish stump]

what does veteran provide for havoc
I've seen people kicking veteran players
because they are useless or something

I know that veteran rn is the worst class in the game

and playing him is same as throwing

but I want to build around him idk

[severe jolt]

They provide ammo and shout. Which are both quite useful for everyone in the team.

[lavish stump]

so he is same as zealot

only has one build huh?

[severe jolt]

In havoc? Pretty much yes. Anything else is at best a sidegrade.

[lavish stump]

give me that generalist build then if you may

I was considering leveling psyker but I don't like their gameplay loop

[stoic thorn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f434f92-e867-460c-86df-3d806ea19e2d/exe-plasma?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Why are

There two of my messaged

[lavish stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader this is good?

is this any good?

[stoic thorn]

Is this for me or are you just asking

[lavish stump]

both

[severe jolt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f4350ed-4860-487c-9ebf-473e9c92145b
this is what I normally use as vet

[lavish stump]

does this channel don't have its own guide as others?

wtf is this

[heavy rover]

check the pins

[stoic thorn]

Ngl I gotta wish we got the same guide type as the ogrynomicon

[lavish stump]

EXACTLY

[stoic thorn]

The guides like a year old

[lavish stump]

this is a disgrace

[stoic thorn]

💔 💔

[heavy rover]

there's a steam guide in the works, the word doc will be closed off after that

[lavish stump]

why vet sucks so much ass

[heavy rover]

no one's forcing you to play vet

[lavish stump]

I want to but it feels like he is just dogshit

compared to all the others

[stoic thorn]

Clearly you haven't felt the Plasma Gun

[heavy rover]

clearly haven't felt the helbore

[lavish stump]

I am planning on doing havoc ONLY mates

I need build that I can get a good feel of

[stoic thorn]

It's called a plasma gun

[heavy rover]

yes, and?

i play havoc on vet, what's your point

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma gun

How it feels to plasma gun without my precious exe stance

[crude wind]

It's a combination of factors

[lavish stump]

exe stancee vets get kicked in havoc 20+ immediatly

lol

I've seen it myself

everybody is using VoC

[stoic thorn]

Mega crutches using voc ngl

[severe lark]

Is very op

But i like the executioner stand

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma barely misses every breakpoint ever

[severe lark]

Real

[heavy rover]

I've played havoc 30's with vets on exec stance

and they were damn good

[severe lark]

But i like tge executioner with the bolter in mortis trials and got the infinite ammo

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma is not enough to kill a dreg gunner in a body shot

We need crits to actually one shot bodyshot a dreg gunner

[lavish stump]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[stoic thorn]

And for some reason

I don't think I can one shot bodyshot a flamer

[lavish stump]

what a dogpoo loool

[stoic thorn]

There's one specific specialist I can't fucking oneshot

That's not the mutie

Oh yeah btw if you hit the mutie in the head with a plasma shot he gets staggered

[severe lark]

With the plasma i use VoC and only can oneshot crushers and that shit with 80% heat

[stoic thorn]

Voc 💔 💔 💔

[severe lark]

70/80%

[stoic thorn]

My plasma is kitted out

68/72

8 shots

We ball.

[unreal bone]

I was working on getting a full set of 80/60s on my arbites, then I decided to go back to my veteran and do the same

[stoic thorn]

I have the John plasma

[unreal bone]

erm

what the flip?

80/61?

[stoic thorn]

Rounding error

[lavish stump]

I need to hear a veteran main with more than 100 hours on veterean alone

aboutt a build

[stoic thorn]

I don't do havoc

I do auric

Because havoc sucks dog doo

[lavish stump]

thats why I am not listening to you

exec build

lmao

gtfo

[stoic thorn]

You missing out

[lavish stump]

I am not auric is fucking easy

on any class

true game is havoc

[stoic thorn]

Okay sweat

[lavish stump]

auric you can just play with sound off without any cues

and still do good

[stoic thorn]

My exe stance plays kickstart my heart

I can barely hear anything

[severe jolt]

Use the MK4 duelling sword with Uncanny Strike. It gets criticized for being OP for a good reason. I only use it on my most tryhard builds precisely because it's just too good.

[grand perch]

not the goddamn squad leader build again

It's bad

[scenic basin]

Anyone got a goodbuildfor Helbore Las?

[lavish stump]

if you have suggestuions

give them

@grand perch

[grand perch]

My suggestion is don't use that one

[heavy rover]

here's mine that I use, feel free to make changes for your needs https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/helbore-grenadier-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[grand perch]

It just comes up now and then and the casual games lantern user doesn't know better

[lavish stump]

criticize? give alterantive

[faint beacon]

@grand perch Acca Shotty propaganda, vs 3 Arbys

Felt miserable but fun at the same time

Misery being in an Arby stack lmao

[severe jolt]

what's a "one-shot" lmao
t. fast recon las enjoyer

[heavy rover]

mag dump life

mag dumping helbore mk v with weight of fire is also fun

[faint beacon]

Praying more Arbitrator players pick up lone wolf (cause it’s good) but also because it’s beyond annoying trying to snipe something and then get consistently cucked by their dog immediately staggering or pinning it

[elder vessel]

What's a "gameplay loop that doesn't put me to sleep"
Said the same user

[faint beacon]

On Vet that’s gonna be hard to come by LMAO

[lavish stump]

ffs people you criticize but don't give any good alternative

wtf

[elder vessel]

its in my name

[lavish stump]

...........

I know for sure that the only viable build for higher diffs is VoC

but idk how to build him

[elder vessel]

your perception is limited you must expand it

[lavish stump]

oh ffs

[heavy rover]

Skill issue

[faint beacon]

I’m taking my Vigil and Tac Axe into H40 and still winning baby

🚬

[sonic kayak]

I've experimenting with a Lone Wolf Castigator shield build

Does not have the CC that BtL gives but I can just face tank everything

[lavish stump]

this is such bs

[severe jolt]

We've been giving's you alternatives. You say you only play Havoc, yet you can't think of good builds?

[lavish stump]

how does this doc still has no builds in it

[lavish stump]

can you please link again good vet build for havoc

with no infiltration or exec stance

cause they are just bad

[faint beacon]

1 of 5 Arby players that I don’t want to immediately whip a rock at

[lavish stump]

they provide nothing

[severe jolt]

I literally already posted one.

[sonic kayak]

I'm gonna show you something in a DM

[faint beacon]

Istfg I will post the Tac Axe Shredder build if I remember too

[lavish stump]

I am just suprised to not see plasma gun

on your build

[severe jolt]

THIS RIGHT HERE
LOOK AT THIS SHIT
if it ain't good enough, feel free to swap the combat axe to a duelling sword

[faint beacon]

Cause plasma isn’t the only thing you should use

Lmao

There’s a lot of other guns you can use

[lavish stump]

it is the best tho no?

[elder vessel]

All veteran players must play 100 Infiltrate games

[lavish stump]

I literally want minmax stuff with calculations and shit

[faint beacon]

Bolter, Recon, Helbore

There’s 3 other options if you’re clawing for meta picks

[lavish stump]

like actually studied stuff where it says like this is objective meta

other builds are for funsies this is cream of the cream

like this type of build

[lavish stump]

is this build completed havoc 40?

[severe jolt]

Not in terms of ammo efficiency. Lasweapons are king when it comes to that, simply because of the Shock Trooper talent.

[severe jolt]

it's literally what I bring to h40
yes it can clear that difficulty

[lavish stump]

ok the thing is I need some to help me with orthos offensive

I need to spam that shit to level to 30

cause I have no intent on leveling normaly

because it is boring and sucks ass

I really really don't want to level normal way

it is very bad and boring af

[faint beacon]

Forgot to send this

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kA3kXzJ0431OPMC6g?invite=cr-MSw2UmYsMTA3NDAxNTcz

Incredibly niche gimmick is back

[torn gorge]

The ghetto shotpistol

[sonic kayak]

[faint beacon]

Accatran is honestly fun as hell

"Here goes Gale gassing up bad weapons again" IDGAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genuinely pretty nice using it on Vet though

[stoic thorn]

How's the normal fire on this

[torn gorge]

It's ok

At best

[stoic thorn]

I love the accatran shotty

Big boom

[torn gorge]

Let's not exaggerate

[faint beacon]

its okay

its a sit the fuck down option without the damage

[stoic thorn]

Wdym

Big stagger?

[faint beacon]

Basically

[stoic thorn]

:(

So I still can't blow brains out

[faint beacon]

Oh no the normal Shots hit hard

[stoic thorn]

What's the best normal fire shotty

[faint beacon]

but if you're after the absolute best Combat Shotgun

Slug Round one, Agri Shotty

[stoic thorn]

[faint beacon]

Both good on Arby and Vet

[stoic thorn]

Noted

Does it do good bodyshot damage

[faint beacon]

Full Bore + No Respite

thats the Bread and Butter Blessing combo

[stoic thorn]

Okay

[torn gorge]

main problem is the big target you want to blow up with the accatran shottie also happen to be armoured and that is a big issue for that gun

[elder vessel]

Veteran community needs to use more bad weapons

the DS + Plasma + VoC brainrot has hit us too hardly

[faint beacon]

"bad weapons"

[sonic kayak]

Veterans need to be able to play the game

[faint beacon]

they're not meta thats why they're "bad"

[elder vessel]

chainaxe brauto infiltrate

[faint beacon]

That is a combo

LMAO

[torn gorge]

you may be onto something there

[calm shard]

I wonder what class does the msot damage with this

Psyker maybe?

Add soulblaze to the mix?

[torn gorge]

1 safe rev every 40s

[calm shard]

I've also had Zarona one shotting havoc 40 gunners

[torn gorge]

psyker or arbitrator due to the massive free crit they get from talents

[calm shard]

I don't think crit is necessary because the dots obviously don't scale with crit

And scattershot is more than enough crit

+fire shells have huge cleave anyways

[torn gorge]

flechette require a crit

to apply the bleed

[faint beacon]

Psyker shits out Crit with Scriers

so they have an easier time doing it

[calm shard]

Yeah obviously, but Scattershot alone is what 70% crit?

[torn gorge]

scattershot requires a primer

[calm shard]

60% crit

[faint beacon]

60% max

[calm shard]

You don't need super high crit chance to get value out of it

Just the baseline crit chance that these classes are usually going to have on builds anyways should be fine

[elder vessel]

every rev is a safe rev if youre not a coward

[torn gorge]

i agree

but i also enjoyed playing infil with CIAG raking fire

so my pov might be biased

[faint beacon]

"Build that exists solely to Delete BON's"

IAGs are Havoc Viable you just gotta be careful with your ammo also

[calm shard]

not a bad build given how contemptable burgles can be

[faint beacon]

Oh no I dont care what a person does

if they end up killing a BON in under 10 seconds they have use

LMAO

We hate BONs in this household

[torn gorge]

you can honestly apply that to delete elite and gunner pats

just practice your underhand grenade throw while invis

[elder vessel]

If i wanna delete a bon I just swap my brauto for a boltgun

otherwise brauto gives me ammo to breathe with