veteran-class

[queen sky]

oh they want whatever that is the scab gunners have?

i wasn't aware hellguns came in that variety

[open ravine]

yes

[queen sky]

they've always been anti-armour guns in my experience

since when did we have these volley gun hellguns

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't say no to a hotshot lasgun in standard config that's semi auto and packs more punch

[queen sky]

infantry las could use variable power mechanic maybe

[steep flower]

This take is so wrong its hilarious

[tall torrent]

?

[open ravine]

Vet gets back like half his toughness on ranged kills if you build right

[tall torrent]

5%

is all

confirmed kill scales a bit better vs elites

but not enough to match drain rate

and still kill dependent

[queen sky]

on a special enemy headshot kill you get 15% from Exhilarating Takedown, 30% from Confirmed Kill, an extra 10% from Inspiring Presence, and then another 25% from 5 stacks of Focus Target

that's 80% total

[tall torrent]

25% from exhilarating takedown??

[queen sky]

assuming you're not using middle bottom tree for whatever reason, maybe you're a WS build, that's still 45% alone from ET and CK right up at the first row of nodes

ah, misread

15% from ET

numbers fixed

[tall torrent]

also lol "yea lemme just spend 6 points on toughness gain talents and nuke my dmg"

[steep flower]

I dunno if the % values add like that~ but the point is; CK, OFB & CAB are enough

[queen sky]

i'm 1-2 tapping crushers on this build

i'm also spreading it to teammates

[steep flower]

Survivability > Dmg; glass cannons are nice but if you can’t sustain yourself then its a problem

[tall torrent]

u have a surprisingly large majority of the weirdest takes of all time for this game

[grand perch]

And if you don't do your job damage wise, you might as well be a class that can support better than vet

[steep flower]

Apart from like some builds i always take CK and somehow i can duel gunners just fine

[queen sky]

vet is great at support

born leader, field improv

[steep flower]

And yet in practice it shows it works; i dunno man

[queen sky]

survivalist

[steep flower]

Field Improv my beloved

[open ravine]

dont you get crazy passive toughness regen with marksman's focus

[queen sky]

can't get enough of field improv

[tall torrent]

idunno man idk why u keep trying to argue vs cold analysis

[sudden cedar]

Every Veteran should have Field Improv

[grand perch]

The best support a vet can do is kill more stuff

[tall torrent]

ig it gives u pleasure or smth

[queen sky]

the extra grenades and the corruption cleanse is fantastic

[steep flower]

Cold analysis & raw numbers are one thing; practical execution is second - i said that some time ago

[queen sky]

always the meatgrinder meta

[sudden cedar]

No plan survives enemy contact

[rocky jacinth]

no i want to blow fist sized holes into space marines crusher helmets

[tall torrent]

everything comes from analysis first

ur looking at a picture with far too many unstable variables to be considered worthwhile studying

[open ravine]

thats what meltas and plasma is for

[tall torrent]

and touting experience as facts, when they are not

[rocky jacinth]

those aren't hellguns

[open ravine]

the hellgun you want is for very very special boys and not us ex cons

[sudden cedar]

You can analyse things to the bone but if it does not work in practice, one should reconsider.

[rocky jacinth]

shut up, i'm a very very special boy

[tall torrent]

then the analysis is wrong or did not include enough, it's that simple

it does not work in reverse

people still post scoreboards as if they mean anything to arguments

[queen sky]

i will continue to use my "wrong" choices and clear missions

[sudden cedar]

As Hallowette would say, go back to your dataslates.

[steep flower]

They do show that it can be done

[tall torrent]

I don't fault u for using chainsword if u really cannot do combos

[tall torrent]

can be done vs "works as good as it should" are 2 very different concepts and u seem to not understand the difference

[open ravine]

I remember the days I called her a butcher because she would often brick weapons and cost you millions

[grand perch]

That's hadron

[open ravine]

They kinda do because they show the results as actual numbers something you were just focused on

[normal bay]

Too many variables with scoreboards

Or ways to cheese numbers

[tall torrent]

they don't
the quality with teammates can vary to such a wild degree that calling it "simply unreliable" is a compliment
the avg player in this game is so bad that saying "I topped dmg in quick play" is saying almost as little as saying nothing

[sly orchid]

Path is correct

[open ravine]

oh sorry misplaced hatered but damn was hadron more of a devil towards the sacred gifts of the omnissiah than one of its priests

[sly orchid]

Vet cannot sustain against ranged unless your counting toughness overtime from elite kills and voc

[remote sonnet]

Playing badly, dragging the game on to inflate the numbers...

[queen sky]

vet instantly recovers like 30% toughness on special headshot before FT

[remote sonnet]

It means your team is playing badly actually.

[steep flower]

You say that i look ‚at a picture with far too many unstable variables to be considered worthwile studies’ yet you advocate for ‚cold analysis’; analysing needs to include potential ‚unstabilities’, be it positive or negative; they teach that at college when you need to conduct a study/research. Stating that vet cannot sustain vs ranged is oversimplification seen through your general playstyle which is to get close into melee while using range as a secondary option in order to maintain buffs; there are alternatives which work and in which i can advocate for; remember - you can untie a knot or cut throught it… or even burn it away, there is more than just 1 solution

[half path]

My message isn’t sending grrrr

[steep flower]

Don’t forget about Catch-a-breath

[half path]

the main issue with vet toughness is for the most part you need to be getting the kills to stay healthy and other classes have became really good at killing, this is something you can mitigate by being really selfish with VOC but if you aren’t using VOC you might as well get fucked by 8 chainaxes if you have a team who are good at killing

[sly orchid]

Path explain catch a breath

[tall torrent]

yea, if u include teammates giving u toughness, veteran can, but that's saying next to nothing about veteran's own capacity
on their own, vs large groups of ranged elites, veteran cannot sustain vs them in ranged only and will be forced to use cover preemptively or be forced to charge into melee
u can try to refute it with ur own "proof" all u want but "try" is about the extent it goes

[sly orchid]

Vet will also crumble against ragers without powersword

[tall torrent]

nah

[sly orchid]

Ohs

[tall torrent]

yam u also have questionable takes I just don't point out every weird thing I see on the internet

I don't have the energy for that

[sly orchid]

Bleh

[pseudo fiber]

Lmfao

[half path]

VOC makes ragers not real also most vet ranged options you can just walk backwards and make them not exist

[sly orchid]

I can handle ragers with taxe

But once you get nipped it can snowball

[half path]

Things like shovel you can dodge and stagger them really easily unless it’s one of the havoc packs that’s like “fuck you have 13 ragers”

[remote sonnet]

Depending on what is defined as "ranged sustain". Many enemies have means to render ranged less effective or stop ranged attacks.

[tall torrent]

ability to maintain toughness in ranged combat

[remote sonnet]

For me, it is out killing a big number of ranged enemies.

[tall torrent]

shovel is one of the worse weapons vs ragers cuz no group stagger and slow ttk

[remote sonnet]

If I take the recon las, maintaining toughness is not something I ever care.

[half path]

still works if you can take them one at a time

[tall torrent]

not fast enough to guarantee minimizing dmg taken

[half path]

troo

[tall torrent]

and if a melee cannot guarantee minimizing dmg taken vs up to 3 ragers

it's not good enough

simple as that

[topaz lance]

Vet should be immune to suppression by default. Should also regen 5% toughness per ranged kill by default

Maybe also build in survivalist.

[half path]

First one I could get behind supression immunity is just a point tax to be able to viably use certain builds

[grand perch]

This is my cue to denounce Determined again isn't it

[elder vessel]

Everyone should be immune to suppression by default

[pseudo fiber]

They should put demo stockpile above the grenades and I'm not joking

[steep flower]

Every class really will crumble under high enemy fire (maybe ogryn won’t to some extend with SG or Arbi with Stance, we won’t even bring bubble to the mix). Personally; sometime it was me providing toughness to others via VoC, sometime other teammates helped out but in general i was in numerous range fights where i could duel ranged units (even in havoc 1.0 using helly & exec). In the end everyone has to duck & cover from time to time but considering how CK & CAB work vet unironically has one of the best toughness regains while under fire (provided means of CK to proc; everyone will melt (maybe arbys stance won’t) to shooter armies if you let them settle & fire).
Try to Refute? Nah B; maybe to you but thats you - through practice i saw a different story, one that is worth imo to be considered… unlike your convenient disregards despite how CK & CAB work (and not considering a basic game mechanic of dodging & sliding while in the firezone which you did in the clip shown above). Thats pretty much all man

[half path]

this is a bit dumb it would be like saying everyone should have an extra wound because ogryn has it or everyone should have the stagger potential Arbites has. Classes are supposed to be classes they should all have things they are good and bad at and exclusive little functionality that is key to that class

[tall torrent]

I consider all these things before concluding, you're simply assuming me to not know when I do

[elder vessel]

blah blah blah suppression on players is just unfun

fuck that mechanic

[queen sky]

agreed on suppression is unfun

it makes trying to get to cover very difficult

[steep flower]

Vet is suppose to be Trained why do he flinch? Oh wait… hes only Human… unlike Ogryn

[half path]

Just don’t get shot idk

[grand perch]

Just shoot through suppression

[tall torrent]

there's a very simple concept that u cannot seem to understand
"smth can work" and "smth works as good as it should" are 2 wildly different concepts and I almost always exclusively refer to the latter when I talk about anything balance related
until you can bring urself to see that, I'm afraid u can't really "prove" anything with ur posts

[grand perch]

Or have exec

Or duck into cover for a while

[elder vessel]

Yeah just shoot back dummy with your mile wide bloom cuz youre being suppressed

[grand perch]

I have 30 builds and none uses determined

Waste of a point imo

[white aurora]

man i just dodge the bullets

infinite stamina works

[sonic kayak]

But how can you kill enemies without being determined‽

[normal bay]

Spite

[sonic kayak]

That's the problem with Vet, no spite talent, gg

[grand perch]

Tru

[topaz lance]

Vet has some nodes I like because they have the right flavor but feel underwhelming in practice.
Longshot -> make short range weapons effective at longer ranges. Cool in concept, needs a bit more sauce. Just make it so that it eliminates damage dropoff.
One Motion -> improve weapon handling, very fitting, but only 25% is barely noticeable. Make it 50.

Grenade tinkerer and grenadier should be one node

[steep flower]

But both work; burning through a knot or trying to untie it will take more time than cutting thought it ofc but they still work; thats the problem - you consider only the best and thats fine since you’re making a guide & all; i used fire shotty before buffs and through practice & build making it works and its satisfying to use despite your opinion on it. Did you even consider asking ‚How did you do it’ or ‚What did you do’? I assume not and thats something i hope you will bring yourself to see - same for vets sustainibility.
Lets just finish this topic… on your & my notes…

[steep flower]

Wait… you play with bloom enabled? you masochist

[elder vessel]

bloom as in accuracy

if youre surpressed your crosshair FATTENS up

[steep flower]

Oh… yeah i get it

[elder vessel]

plus im on console so im not even sure if I can turn off bloom

[steep flower]

Grow fat with suppression

[grand perch]

Ironically if longshot eliminated damage fall off, infantry las, bolter and others would do more damage up close

[steep flower]

The fact you can’t increase turn speed of your camera on console is the cardinal sin of this game

[elder vessel]

no that you can do

vertical sensitivity and horizontal sensitivity

[torn gorge]

[steep flower]

Thats good; very good thx for showing me this

[serene bough]

Determined and Survivalist should both be baseline abilities

I almost always bring determined bc ilas is my favorite weapon

[grand perch]

do you also bring voc?

[serene bough]

Ye

I would prefer if infil was viable but nowadays I just use voc

[grand perch]

i still dont bring determined on my voc + ilas build but there i kinda understand why you would

[serene bough]

Ilas without determined is like shooting with parkinsons

I run this nowadays

[crude wind]

Would anyone miss longshot if it got cut

I feel like it so rarely does anything

[grand perch]

every player that hasnt informed themselves

[serene bough]

Id like if they rework the top of the tree to be a web

[grand perch]

i almost made a vid explaining why its shit in an attempt to curbstomp every 2nd vet i inspect running longshot

[serene bough]

Id love to grab ET without longshit

[grand perch]

if ET was 1 point dip, id consider it

its still nearly worthless in melee, where you need toughness the most

[serene bough]

Well im guessing the idea was ranged toughness sustain

But it isn't competitive against the other two bc of what you just mentioned

[grand perch]

yeah the vet tree is full of good idea bad execution skills

skirmisher, ET, longshot, covering fire, the whole of marksmans focus

list goes on

[serene bough]

With the release of arby I feel like many of the abilities aren't scaled well any more either

[grand perch]

cagitator blows exec out of the water its not even funny

[serene bough]

Yeah, exe stance really fell from grace

[grand perch]

theyre not directly comparable but man

[serene bough]

Well I find it funny people used to complain vet was too tanky bc of exe stance range dmg reduction

[normal bay]

And since Zealot seems to be next, none of these issues will be fixed until next year

[serene bough]

Im sure we'll see some buffs here and there but nothing revolutionary

Assuming MMF doesn't get a rework, id love if they bake in rending per stack and only made it apply to semi automatic weapons by default

[grand perch]

this kills the burst vigis

[serene bough]

Burst fire is technically semi automatic no?

Well if not, MMF apply to semi automatic and burst fire weapons

[topaz lance]

castigator + exe order is just betterer exe stance

[grand perch]

its better but not strictly better

no enemy outlines, no zoom, no suppression immunity, no refresh on kill

[topaz lance]

enemy outlines are covered by exe order.

[grand perch]

seperate skill then

[serene bough]

Lol yeah exe order outlining is so bizarre

Just by existing all enemies become highlighted?

[topaz lance]

I know people in vet chat like to cope, but exe stance is outclassed by this combination

[serene bough]

Its been said here before, but the amount of buffs arby gets for just existing and playing is kinda nuts

[topaz lance]

I say that as an exe stance enjoyer, I only used the other vet abilities to get the penances

[topaz lance]

he gets participation trophies left and right

[serene bough]

Tbh taking anything other than VoC for vet feels taboo in higher difficulties

Same with survivalist

[topaz lance]

I normally play vanilla damnation or auric damnation

havoc I only went up to 30-ish

[serene bough]

I do havoc 40 every so often but I don't enjoy havoc

Havoc is inferior to auric maelstrom in terms of quality and balance imo

Feels like these classes are now being designed/balanced with havoc 40 in mind

[topaz lance]

Which is not ideal imo, I do feel like vanilla damnation is a cake-walk with arbites.

I got the 10 missions without going down penance without even trying.

[serene bough]

Yeah theyre pretty simple to play too

Goes hand in hand with recieving so many participation trophies I guess

[clever hedge]

BUFF EX STANCE PLEASE FAT SHARK.

Notice this comment in the void

Vet deserves a W

[topaz lance]

No worries, they'll get to it, right after the zealot update. So I guess around Feb/March 2026 😁

[clever hedge]

Just another year or so lol

[topaz lance]

Generally, Zealot, Vet and Psycher need their trees updated/overhauled.

[clever hedge]

True, probably Vet, Psker zeolet is the order of most needing it

[tame lodge]

Not psyker at all

They got their tree rework recently

[past stratus]

I'm not a experienced player, I've only beat Auric recently but my impression of Veteran is that we're pretty limited to a few choices as far as talents go. Those talents are good one size fits em all type of thing and you can fit lots of weapons loadouts into it but it is still pretty boring

[clever hedge]

Oooooooooo

Good for them

[tame lodge]

It added the talents for M1 spam, that was too strong FS had to kill quell cancel

[serene bough]

Also

Priority Endowment gives you 3 shells in the double barrel

Thats some ork energy there

[topaz lance]

FOr them it would be mostly layout, as it is still has too many "do nothing" nodes imo.

[topaz lance]

VoC is so boring to use.

[odd sparrow]

Yeah thats a pretty good understanding. Most of all the shooty talents and grenade regen are basically auto takes if your build goes into the "niche" of shooting your gun a lot, on the shooting-centric class

[past stratus]

I don't think it is boring, it was super cool to yell at things, knock them down while supporting my allies at the same time. But after pressing that button for the 434154134th time, it lost a lot of the magic. I wish I could also press other cool orange buttons but they are pretty ass compared to VoC

[odd sparrow]

VoC is too good to play without. Would much prefer the others were buffed more.

Exe stance could add bigger hitboxes to shots so actually going on headhunting spree is a bit more feasible for players without 10000 hours in CS or apex

Also infiltrate needs to do a bit more baseline IMO

[past stratus]

yeah, lately I've been experimenting with new weapon set ups. Just leveling weapons that I haven't tried before and most of the time I just look at my talents looking for something I could change to make it fit better then realize that there is nothing to change. At most you change the keystones from weapon master to the mark one and even that doesn't feel particularly impactful.

[odd sparrow]

Yep the vast majority of builds you swap 1-3 talents at most. The only exceptions being if you go a super melee heavy build or if you want onslaught on your recon

[serene bough]

In addition to making some subnodes baseline, I'd like if activating dropped a smoke cloud

[tall torrent]

no
there can be way more interesting ideas for vet talents

[odd sparrow]

And lots of those swaps are not even interesting choices. Some guns just innately have supression immunity so no reason to waste a point there.

[past stratus]

I wish the sniper keystone wasn't so unusable, I love playing the helbore, I leveled from 1 to 30 with my helbore because I like being able to snipe things. But even on normal damnation the idea of staying still for even a couple of seconds is just not feasible.

[grand perch]

it is though

its the weakest keystone sure

but you can absolutely deal with it

remember you dont have to stand still when you score a headshot kill or regular headshot

[odd sparrow]

its alright but its just so limited since only guns with high finesse modifiers actually benefit, making it incredibly arbitrary which guns its useful for

[serene bough]

Id only advocate MMF on IIb ilas

[grand perch]

vigi and helbore my man

[odd sparrow]

its also good on auto guns

[serene bough]

Does helbore really need MMF

[grand perch]

crusher oneshots

so sweet

[odd sparrow]

spray for a second into a horde at head height with an autogun and you are fully stacked

[serene bough]

Eh

[grand perch]

big fat boss damage

[serene bough]

Id balk at taking an entire keystone just for a crusher but I guess thats useful

[past stratus]

I agree but it's more about the feel of it. And it comes down to how I'm feeling about the Helbore in general these days, it feels like the game gets more and more fast paced that the gameplay of sniping things is harder and harder

[odd sparrow]

nah you can definitely use helbore without it. But if you have It, it means you can go from something 2500 dmg -- > 4000 dmg

doesnt matter for a lot of enemies but for very tanky bois its a difference

[serene bough]

I know IAGs have good finesse scaling but id probably prefer WS over MMF we're i to take an autogun

Never used vigil though

[odd sparrow]

the crit from WS is only 1 shot tho, if my gun shoots 11/shots a second the crit dmg modifier works out to be way better

[past stratus]

yesterday I took a break from leveling other weapons to go back to my usual setup, to a damnation game to snipe some things for fun. I ran with 2 Arbites and one Psyker and honestly. I was just being walked by them, the moment I couldn't even charge a shot before a dog got into the mob and killed it.

it didn't feel very fun

I end up just meleeing most of the match

[serene bough]

I guess so

Seems counterintuitive that MMF works with infantry autoguns though lol

[tame lodge]

The keystone is about hitting heads not standing still

[odd sparrow]

it is counterintuitive for sure but its much easier to stack on fast shooting guns. If you have the subnode for 15 stacks you can do a lot in between having to stack up again

and yeah exactly its the qunatity of headshots that matter most

i definitely think marksman focus could do with getting 5 stack on a full health kill so its actually better on precision weapons

[past stratus]

You're probably right, maybe I'm just not good enough to make use of it

[grand perch]

and pus hardened havoc

[tame lodge]

Well
Uh
It doesn't really synergize with a bunch of guns

So the keystone still flawed

💀

Gotta try it with the buffed shotguns

[odd sparrow]

ooh that might be kind of fun with the long ranged shotty

might more consistently put it into 1shot territory on bigger targets

[past stratus]

I prefer Weapon Specialist most of the time, like I said, I don't think I'm good enough to consistently hit headshots the whole match and even if I was it feels like so much extra work compared to anything else I can play in this game for such small reward

[odd sparrow]

on autoguns or recon you really dont have be very consistent you just aim at head-height on trash and you are fully stacked

[past stratus]

that's true but it does feel a bit strange that the sniper keystone works best with spray and pray weapons, no? Or am I just being too attached to the idea of it? Idk, I just don't think I'd feel cool doing that

[odd sparrow]

i 100% agree on the fact that its odd how its not great on precision weapon. But thats partially also because most precision weapons can already 1 hit most enemies so dealing even more damage by investing in a janky keystone that gives you something more to worry about really isnt that great

for example zarona revolver can 1 hit anything below 1400 without crit. And 2k with crit. So going above that only really increases ogryn kill speed

[torn gorge]

replaced by "the longest shot" instead

[odd sparrow]

do triple dmg against enemies more than 100m away

[past stratus]

I still have to level up the revolver, I'll probably do it after I'm done with the laspistol

[tame lodge]

"Point Blank Long Shot"

You deal 100% damage up until 12.5 meters

0 damage from 13 to 29 meters

100% from 30+

[grand perch]

agrip shotty gets a beeeeg damage buff from mmf

great finesse modifier and all

[iron marten]

Arbitrator Tac Axe on Havoc 30 works well but jesus does my hand hurt lmao

At least the shields get taken down relatively quickly

[grand perch]

fucking pus hardened on all havoc

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-my-computer-gif-18858423

[iron marten]

Hahaha

Good luck

[torn gorge]

the ideal shotgun range

[unreal nova]

Then trappers net you since 0 damage.

[wise wren]

wait on the bolt pistol is collat the dump stat or mobility

[hollow ibex]

Collateral

[unreal nova]

Collateral. 60 to 80 changes 0 breakpoints.

[sleek garden]

It works fine on precision guns, just shoot some shooters in the head a few times and now you're using less ammo on elites

[odd sparrow]

Many precision weapons have so good break points that marksman focus is superfluous especially since you have to pay a 1 talent tax to get there. You can often just as well spend them on the generic damage upgrades in the middle tree and get many of the similar breakpoints.

And thats without having the mental tax of rembering to stack it up or trying to go for a play but finding out you didnt have the stacks to land that 1 shot. Its not super important and the damage can outweigh this. But personally id much rather have consistent breakpoints for my revolver.

ilas with marksman focus is good i just dont aim well enough lol

[quiet valley]

Pus Hardened and Arby putting Vet out of a job

[grand perch]

4 real

[steep flower]

Nah

[quiet valley]

2.3k levels on vet, and on Arby I'm getting double or triple my teammates dmg on Havoc...

Class just shits out so much dmg, and can duel gunners lol

Exec stance shaking an crying rn

[heavy rover]

yes

[steep flower]

Your teammates then are lacking… or slacking

[unreal nova]

You have 4 'nades and shout. Pray to RNG for that 5%.

[quiet valley]

yes every match then ig

[steep flower]

Especially considering that dmg taken; yeah nah

[quiet valley]

I got lines of boards

[deep bone]

I’m excited to test out my new Helbore build

[hollow ibex]

seems like the patch broke the helmet lol

this is so cursed

[steep flower]

The beard must be free

[hollow ibex]

im going to keep running this anyway

[unreal nova]

Great $10 spent.

[tame lodge]

Oh so that's why my instructor said that beards could affect the isolation factor of the rebreathers

[steep flower]

Ye they do be lacking; just look at your own output and consider the rest - its like comparing rocks to mountains

[quiet valley]

its just actually every havoc

Auric pubs are even crazier dmg diff

[steep flower]

Btw some of the names i do recognize from those 3 screens you’ve posted

[quiet valley]

In reg Aurics ppl barely even get to play lol

[steep flower]

Ppl in auric usually don’t play cause they are dead

[quiet valley]

tru

Helbore buffs were cool, but Vet is prob in the freezer for the foreseeable future.

[steep flower]

I like’em chilly

But real talk; majority of the time vet players are mid at best; mid builds, weird talent takes

Its extremelly rare to find a competent vet i could trust in havoc

[faint beacon]

Exactly how I feel, I don’t think I’m playing Vet as much anymore until a rework comes a long

Arby just does my playstyle a million times better

[steep flower]

Thats why i usually take that role (and to show ppl that vet ain’t shit)

[quiet valley]

i've run vet in havoc post patch, and it just feels like I can drag people better with Arby

[faint beacon]

^

Basically

[heavy rover]

with armourbane on helbore I'm feeling a whole lot more confident bringing my vet into high havoc

[quiet valley]

Im just astounded by Castigator stance being Exec stance but with Full toughness fill on activation, basically dmg immunity during duration, Rolling dmg buff UP TO 50%, and round reload on kill from reserve

[formal hamlet]

Dump on boltgun mobility?

[quiet valley]

Exec stance, um uh get some highlights ig, uh have some finesse dmg i think

[tame lodge]

It's not exec stance though

There's no buffs to gun handling

[quiet valley]

With left keystone you even get highlights lol

[tame lodge]

So you need a second talent for it

Instead of a single ability

Smh

[quiet valley]

Lets you just run with braced/ads

[tame lodge]

That's not enough

[quiet valley]

but oh no, you can't sprint so its balanced against exec stance lol

[tame lodge]

Exec reduces sway

Recoil

[formal hamlet]

I imagine castigator stance ends up being the weakest of the three Arbiter abilities?

[tame lodge]

Spread

Extra ranged damage

Extra ranged impact

Suppression immunity

[quiet valley]

sure thats cool but Exec stance really needs SOMETHING to get buffed

[tame lodge]

Yeah but it's not exec stance

[quiet valley]

Why is the SHOOTER ability not able to duel gunners in Havoc

[tame lodge]

Which is my point

Not exec stance

[grand perch]

yeah great point

[tame lodge]

Did I forget something

No no
Slow and stun immunity during exec same thing as cast

[grand perch]

you forgot to include how it doesnt matter its not exec. what matters is how much it blows exec out of the water

[tame lodge]

But it doesn't really

Because it doesn't give better gun handling

[grand perch]

oh no

[tame lodge]

So it's not exec

[grand perch]

blasts entire room away anyway

[tame lodge]

[grand perch]

"this bomb isnt an A-bomb, its a h-bomb so thats completely different"

[quiet valley]

I just wanna pop Exec stance and do what Vet is supposed to do, kill gunners/shooters, instead of getting insta-gibbed by one shooter.

Just give ranged toughness reduction during ability use, give me SOMTHING

[tame lodge]

Bomb A gives better gun handling
Bomb h gives dr

They are different bombs

[grand perch]

and one's way more destructive

[tame lodge]

Are they still bombs? Fuck yeah

[formal hamlet]

You're both on a list now.

[tame lodge]

Good

I have 10 tons of fertilizer

https://tenor.com/view/pewdiepie-9year-old-army-t-gay-congratulations-for-legal-reasons-thats-a-joke-gif-13924557

[formal hamlet]

Huh?

[tame lodge]

Oh

You just gave me a scare rn

[formal hamlet]

Fuck me I'm blind.

[tame lodge]

Surge Staff flashbacks

[formal hamlet]

I did just wake up in my defence.

[faint beacon]

Vet just needs a full rework at this point

So they can nerf VOC and buff/change the other options

[formal hamlet]

What do we think about this revolver skin?

[faint beacon]

It’s better than the other version of it

[formal hamlet]

Probably one of the few decent looking gun skins I've seen, might grab it.

The other version being the default skin or some other premium one?

Also I noticed on my Recon Lasgun build I don't have the talent for VoC that gives me yellow toughness and damn, I didn't like that. I need to figure out what I can sacrifice to get that node.

[hollow ibex]

tested out dclaw, yup, still shit lmao

[hollow ibex]

ill prob get it

they dropped some really good skins this week lol

[formal hamlet]

The inquisition stuff? Not my jam personally.

But then I am T'au guy, don't know much about Imperium things.

Also I've been enjoying the force sword on Zealot, might grab one of these skins but they are both red. I'm scared the skin will be very similar to the max mastery red skin, so I'm gonna wait until mine's levelled first.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-money-wwe-money-mcmahon-money-gif-26773837

[unreal nova]

Sure we need handling on our recons, right?

[tame lodge]

Besides the point

[formal hamlet]

I don't know if it's because the class is new so nobody knows the answers or because there's too much activity but hard getting my questions answered in the Arbites channel.

[hollow ibex]

whats the question?

[unreal nova]

I know, our exe stance gives basically nothing compared.

[unreal nova]

Just ask here or psyker mains tbh.

[tame lodge]

Closest thing to exec on Arby's is the Boombox

[hollow ibex]

castigator is shotgun exec stance

[unreal nova]

Boombox is No dying since I'm here now.

I heard it was broken and provides 70% DR instead of 30%.

Which explains whenever I drop it and we keep in it, everyone barely takes damage.

[tame lodge]

It's not though

[unreal nova]

I took both subnodes.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[tame lodge]

It gives suppression immunity, recoil modifier and impact modifier

[hollow ibex]

[idle bluff]

Kinda annoying that instead of compleatly new ideas we just get better versions of existing skins that make me feel like i wasted money on the other version

[unreal nova]

Both subnodes.

[tame lodge]

And they keep trying to compare Casti to Exec

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-robert-pattinson-suit-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-9336155743238770356

They can't be fr

https://tenor.com/view/ror-revolution-of-royales-tps-rcl-mtc-gif-2171080285298839671

[formal hamlet]

I wanted to know what perks/blessings to put on the weapons I've gotten to 20 mastery, and to see if there are any solid builds out yet because I've just been making it up as I go.

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c1e18-a67a-40d3-b98c-e76dd06c1131/arbys-shotty

This is just better exec stance vet atm

[unreal nova]

Yes, but it literally is also No dying because I'm here now.

[formal hamlet]

FatShark's cosmetics game is some of the worst I've ever seen personally.

[hollow ibex]

which weapons tho?

[tame lodge]

Don't morrow me

You know I'm right

[unreal nova]

When the cash shop team cooks, they cook, but recolors suck.

[tame lodge]

Where's the shotgun spread reduction

[formal hamlet]

This is the only ability I haven't made a built for yet so might give it a try.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[formal hamlet]

I liked the middle one, sorta like a VoC but in one spot. I also liked the shield bash one, very spammable.

[hollow ibex]

skipping stam toughness regen

🤔

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[quiet valley]

its bad pathing idc

[hollow ibex]

ur bad pathing

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

honestly it's incredibly hard to fuck up an arbi build anyway

[tame lodge]

Wait, wrong one

[quiet valley]

wah wah wah

[hollow ibex]

you can just go down the tree picking random shit and it'll be fine

[tame lodge]

There

[formal hamlet]

How come you're not using the arbites shock maul?

[quiet valley]

SKULLCRUSHER

its very good debuff for your team

also the og shock maul special action deletes captian shields

[unreal nova]

Is like VoC and Chorus had a baby with no stagger.

And no gold.

Oh and bubble.

[hollow ibex]

not a fan

i really wished you could recollect the device when you need to move

for some cdr

i end up hardly using it most of the time

[unreal nova]

Time left should restore CD, but always force a channel to store.

Don't wanna accidentally lul.

[hollow ibex]

yeah would be fine

but as it is now, about as boring as playing book boy zealot tbh

[unreal nova]

Book girl with crits here when needed.

I get a weird feeling I play semi-support on every class. >_>

[tame lodge]

Also Boombox voice lines aren't that great

That or the volume is too low

I can barely hear when an Arbites use any of their ability

[faint beacon]

I was contemplating swapping out the Arby Shaul for the normal one on my Arbitrator Sharpshooter build

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Maybe because that is what the lag allows you to do.

[faint beacon]

I’m just wondering if I need to take Strikedown talent or if it’s Cara is fine as is

[quiet valley]

The OG does everything I need, horde clear, Carapace kills, skullcrusher debuff, and great utility for killing shields

[faint beacon]

I know it’s unyielding is abysmal

But like

Vigilant auto

Lmao

[unreal nova]

2 lines per use, fairly soft.

Easier to listen in psykhanium.

[quiet valley]

yeah the unyielding is bad, but everything else on the weapon is so good, Im shooting most unyielding anyway

[unreal nova]

Shush. I can go drunk leeroy, just doesn't feel right.

[sudden cedar]

Drunk leeroy Karien. I want to see that.

[unreal nova]

Papa saw my relic fury build before.

[sudden cedar]

The fact he's still around means it couldn't have been that bad. Right?

[unreal nova]

It isn't. I basically don't have the physical mechanics to use it well.

[faint beacon]

Only outlier is bulwarks I’m going to fight them in melee but they buffed the special

So like you literally can open them up and immediately hit them in the head

[quiet valley]

use your dog with electric stacks, it opens them up for headshots with ranged

[faint beacon]

You’re talking to a devout LW user

Go my pocket smykers

[quiet valley]

with the shotgun its usually a one tap, or a couple bursts from a vigi

[faint beacon]

Usually 2 bursts

Rending on critical hit is pretty fucking nice ngl

[quiet valley]

well ig thats still good with mines, b/c you can use the special if there's a one or two, and the mines if there's a conga line of em

[faint beacon]

I tend to use the mines more for specific scenarios that lead to wipes

Aka Havoc punishment waves or “punishment wave lite” where the game is insisting on bulwark spam

[quiet valley]

mines uptime is pretty damn good with Lonewolf

[faint beacon]

It’s busted

I’m surprised it hasn’t been nerfed

[sudden cedar]

If a nerf is warranted it will come later. Much later.

Maybe.

Judging by how long it took to send out the message that something is going to be done about Duelling Sword and Plasma Gun.

[faint beacon]

Ogryn also

If Ogryn and Psyker keep dodging nerfs I think they’re just complacent with this balancing idea now

And at that point I’d rather they make havoc even more brutally unfun

[faint wedge]

Nerfing anything in a PvE game is silly

[dry cloak]

no it is not

[idle crown]

a spear or dual blade would go hard for veteran wouldn't it?

[sudden cedar]

It is not.

Those weapons would fit the Zealot more, i am afraid.

The Veteran is NOT Markus Kruber.

[dry cloak]

guard has glaives

[idle crown]

to an extent yes, Helldivers 2 Nerfpocalypse is the way not to nerf but you can do good nerfs

[dry cloak]

DS4 needs a nerf

[idle crown]

i mean shock maul neither yet we still have it

[faint beacon]

HD2 made gamers have PTSD and straight up cry over any nerf even when it’s justified

Like I’m just saying

When little Timmy can clear high havoc without thinking

Cause he’s playing Ogryn

[dry cloak]

shockmauls are very much availbable to anyone

[faint beacon]

That’s an issue

[idle crown]

nah it got to a point where every weapon where straight garbage

[dry cloak]

its just a mace with biult in taser

[idle crown]

on a lore point

dueling sword too is kinda silly for a guardsmen but hey it's fun to use

[dry cloak]

remember our characters aint a most coherent force

outside arbites

[idle crown]

yeah that's why a spear or dual sword could be cool for veteran, zealot and psycher

[tame lodge]

I mean
We have couple of minis with Sabers

The problem is that we don't really treat Dueling Sword as sabers on DT

[dry cloak]

arent those officers by chance?

[faint beacon]

Veterans have used Glaives and Spears but that’s more cavalry

So it’s not too far fetched

[idle crown]

weren't those officers and the honorary guard regiment?

[dry cloak]

if anything is dueling swords were made to be sabres. its needs to be a cross between heavy sword and devil claw with some better mob than both

[faint beacon]

Handful of regiments use Sabers so I’d say similar to my take on spear

Not too far fetched

[dry cloak]

but less mob than knife

sabres and such were useb by officers usually

going by our history

[idle crown]

knives are on many regular infantryman minis

[trim badger]

I think the drafted FS changes to DS are a little too stupid

[idle crown]

especially the Catachans

[trim badger]

nerfs damage, but also armor penetration, and also removes the special, and also reduces the finesse on the already reduced damage

It has no direction

[tame lodge]

Yeah something along those lines

[trim badger]

It's just everything goes down, kinda lame

[tame lodge]

Oh but you get a parry

[trim badger]

I'd rather them nuke the carapace damage, greatly reduce flak, and remove uncanny altogether from the weapon

But keep high finnesse multiplier and damage

[dry cloak]

its a addendum to what DS should if it behaved like a proper sabre

[dry cloak]

remove uncanny from game

[trim badger]

I disagree I think it's fine on the shovel

[dry cloak]

fair piont

[sonic kayak]

So remove Uncanny from the game but keep it on the shovel

[trim badger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame lodge]

Shovel having Uncanny and Skullcrusher still being mid is actually a war crime

[trim badger]

Again I dislike how FS drafted those DS changes

Cuz it has no purpose

[dry cloak]

yes

[trim badger]

I wanna be able to stab and squish unprotected heretics faces easily with MK4

[sonic kayak]

I'm of no opinion since it doesn't matter; I'll just use what I want because it gives me joy and results

[dry cloak]

yes couse dueling sword is meant to be used as the name suggest in duels. so 1 on 1. not 1 on 20 crushers

[trim badger]

But no FS wants to nerf thrust damage AND then nerf the finnesse multiplier by almost 33%

It's stupid

[idle crown]

are finally getting more weapons for veteran and the other class? game is kinda old and lacks a bit in many department

[dry cloak]

propah opinion

[idle crown]

[faint beacon]

It means the weapon by itself is a relic of the past and is Carried by blessing choices

[dry cloak]

vet does no need new weapons

EVER

[faint beacon]

Sad truth nuke

But I still love it

[dry cloak]

marinate in voc plsma gun

[trim badger]

The parry is apparently gonna be the same damage than a current thrust heavy attack would be

xddddd holy moly they're ruining the fun of the weapon

It deffo needs nerfs but that's just stripping the fun out of it

[faint beacon]

I’d kill for any Helgun/Stubber for vet

[dry cloak]

then use the better DS also know as DC7

or something isk

[idle crown]

what about meltas, heavy lasguns and many other guns

[faint beacon]

I want a lightweight MG fantasy

Give it to me

[trim badger]

I do from time to time, I'm glad that mark overhead is getting buffs

[dry cloak]

and i'd kill for fist weapon on oggy

[trim badger]

I vary from MK2, 4 and 7

[dry cloak]

mk1*

there aing mk2

[trim badger]

sorry sometimes I do forget le numbers

[dry cloak]

graia brauto NEXT

[trim badger]

I do use DC on aurics but on zealot

[dry cloak]

dont worry so do i

[idle crown]

technically the grenade launcher gauntlet is fist with a big boom

[dry cloak]

propah fist weapon

[deep bone]

I am trying so hard to like the las pistol it feels like hot garbage to me

[trim badger]

Fatshark would have such an easier time balancing DS by removing uncanny from it xddd

[dry cloak]

meltas are rare. theres precedent with the moebian steel arc but thats it. heavier lasguns IDK

[hollow ibex]

don't use mk x, and aim for the head

[tame lodge]

Then just worry about Precognition Riposte on the DS

[faint beacon]

No..

[idle crown]

but now that the Arbites has a shield and revolver, ogry needs a bolter and shield

[dry cloak]

yes

[dry cloak]

oggy aint getting bolters ever

[dry cloak]

i prefer mk 10 las pistol

[idle crown]

i mean plasma rifles too in a way

[faint beacon]

I want something that’s heavy to lug around as a gun but spits out an ungodly amount of lasers or lead…

[dry cloak]

but im in minority here

[faint beacon]

Based

[dry cloak]

plasmas are more common from what i gather

[unreal nova]

A hellgun?

[faint beacon]

Yes

But they deny me this

[dry cloak]

tehn play ogryn

[faint beacon]

No

I’m not playing win button the class

[deep bone]

I want them to give vet a Hotshot LasGun

[faint beacon]

Reason I dropped Ogryn

[tame lodge]

You will play Achlys Twin linked peashooter and you will like it

[faint beacon]

So ludicrously overpowered

[dry cloak]

the mk 2 feels like a laser pointer to me

[idle crown]

Meltas and plasma are more comon for Astartes legions not so much for guardsmen since yk they big bulky and a wee bit too expensive for units that has a 3 minute life span in battle

[dry cloak]

gorg twin link better

[tame lodge]

Yes

[deep bone]

Guardsman have plasma but it’s reserved for specialist squads

[dry cloak]

normal infantry men aint gonna use them mate

[dry cloak]

this

[deep bone]

You don’t see many guard use it cause they are unreliable as shit

[idle crown]

same with meltas

[deep bone]

Mhmm

That’s why I want a Hotshot LasGun

[sonic kayak]

Portable bunker buster

[deep bone]

They are used by shock troopers

[trim badger]

Meh, nerf the flak and cara dmg a little more than what they posted and it should be mostly fine

[sonic kayak]

Why doesn't everyone use it? Because it can vaporize a target and the user aiming it

[deep bone]

In lore Plasma guns have a tendency to explode and take out half the trench line with it

[tame lodge]

The plasma gunner walks the battlefield knowing that he'll kill everything or the weapon will explode him

[deep bone]

Plasma Pistols are used by NCOs

We could get a Pistol

That would be cool

[idle crown]

true xD

but if we going full lore for loadouts, how come only the zealot got the flame thrower and not the veteran, but game wise it makes sense

[deep bone]

Bolters aren’t used by the guard either

[idle crown]

true

ogry uses them

[faint beacon]

Idfk why Zealot doesn’t have burn talents or things that reward via burn

[deep bone]

Bolt Pistols maybe but not an actual Bolter

[faint beacon]

Especially chorus not applying burn I feel like is a crime

[tame lodge]

It's funny because in DT, flamer on Vet would actually suck

[dry cloak]

bolters we have is old arbites model that was SCAVENGED on atoma

[tame lodge]

😭

[faint beacon]

It’s True

[grand perch]

? ofc

[faint beacon]

It’s absolutely true

[idle crown]

bolt pistols are used by officers and comissars

[faint beacon]

Well kinda?

[grand perch]

in my codex every sergeant could have a bolter

[deep bone]

Yea if the Munitorum like them

[idle crown]

well the one we use in game is the same bolter used by the sisters of battle

[faint beacon]

You could in a theoretical world of if vet got flamer

[tame lodge]

Gonna ask path if he's able to calculate flamer breakpoints on Vet

[faint beacon]

Run Blaze and Calva with Onslaught

Lmao

[tame lodge]

"Won't even bother with it"

[deep bone]

But it’s More likely they’d be issued a LasPistol

Las Weaponry is easier for Guardsman regiments

[dry cloak]

nope

[idle crown]

sisters of battle are smaller then space marines so they need sized down bolters

[trim badger]

Zealot doesn't have any talent that rewards weakspots either

[faint beacon]

I’m just realizing Onslaught would be Pen Flames but better @tame lodge

[tame lodge]

Yes
And they use Godwyn D'Az

[dry cloak]

sororitas have power armor we dont

[grand perch]

flamer onslaught memes

[faint beacon]

Duelist is right there

[tame lodge]

We are using Locke

Pattern

[trim badger]

That's not rewarding weakspots, that's buffing weakspots

Duellist rewards dodging

[deep bone]

I love LasGuns man they are cool af

[idle crown]

they are smaller then space marine tho and their bolters too

[deep bone]

I want more Las Weaponry

[deep bone]

They still have Powered Armour

[dry cloak]

yes but we rae using old arbites boltguns

[idle crown]

we have a lot but we could get more variants i agree

[faint beacon]

Grievous wounds

[deep bone]

We have 3 Varients of the LasGun and 1 model of LasPistol

[idle crown]

a las MG and Shotgun could be awesome

[grand perch]

come on...someone mention it

i got the reaction image right here for when someone mentions it

[deep bone]

We have the Accatran LasGun which is used exclusively by Elysian Drop Troopers and we have the Helbore which is used by Kriegers and Cadians and me have the Standard M36 Kantreal LasGun

[tame lodge]

Actually

Onslaught caps at 40%

Pen flames can stack with it

60% brittleness flamer

[faint beacon]

Oh that’s fucked

[idle crown]

Accatran... is that the recon?

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[deep bone]

Yea

Recon LasGun

[faint beacon]

16 Burn with 60% brittleness

[idle crown]

i see noice

[faint beacon]

Maybe that’s why we don’t have Flamer

[dry cloak]

2 models of laspistol

[deep bone]

Its the same Model just different Variant

[dry cloak]

ah you counting it this way

[deep bone]

It’s the same base LasPistol

Mhmm

[dry cloak]

then 1 model yes

[idle crown]

i mean flamers are for more up close and personal fights and that's the Zealot's job, veteran is made for distance

[deep bone]

I want a backpack Powered Hotshot LasGun so I can have my Lore Accurate Kasrkin Shock Trooper Loadout

[tame lodge]

But you can infer that Vet did some raid on entrenched/fortified positions

Flamethrowers were used for that kind of thing

[deep bone]

Mhmm

[tame lodge]

In fact

[deep bone]

Flamer is peak

[tame lodge]

If our vet had flamer

[idle crown]

yes but class wise doesn't make much sense

[faint beacon]

Veterans identity has shifted to be a hybrid class

[tame lodge]

He wouldn't have long range

[deep bone]

Veterans need to go back to being the Ranged Specialist

[tame lodge]

Because zealots have throwing knives

[faint beacon]

You have your gun for HPVs and your melee for hordes

[deep bone]

Longlas when

[grand perch]

finally someone mentioned longlas

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[idle crown]

tho i have to point out a little problem, cadia background is broken

[grand perch]

been sitting on this

[deep bone]

I want my Scoped LasGun

[deep bone]

Yep

[faint beacon]

Besides here’s a truth nuke

[idle crown]

CADIAAAAA NOOOOO

[tame lodge]

C-c-cadia is broken

😭

[deep bone]

My Cadian can’t be customised cause he will lose the eyes

[tame lodge]

[deep bone]

Tragic

[idle crown]

i miss my veteran yelling about Cadia

[idle crown]

the only way i found was to pay the 50 000 to changeyour backstory and name

[faint beacon]

Making Vet exclusively ranged only in a horde melee based game will kill the class

Extremely few people will want to play it if they aren’t given incentive to take on hordes

[idle crown]

it's not only long range but mainly medium range and long

[faint beacon]

Hence why Catch a Breath was completely changed same with Killzone

You barely ever have moments where enemies aren’t in your face

[sudden cedar]

@deep bone The Cadian Purple/Violet eyes are tied to the Cadian Background. But iam sure you know that.

[lost bay]

Hey guys, where do I go to play the campaign? When I booted up the game it gave me a decision if I wanted to play the campaign or to skip it, thinking I can play it later, so I skipped it and I can't find it on the ship

[sudden cedar]

Well you skipped it.

Sucks for that Operative.

Create a new one.

[deep bone]

My character is fine

He’s still Cadian

[hollow ibex]

uhh check the barber shop guy and see if he gives you an option to play it again

[unreal nova]

Nope

Someone tried already.

[hollow ibex]

oh rip then

[unreal nova]

Doesn't work.

Only one way.

[slow mica]

yea ever since the update i tried changing my hair but doesnt let me save the changes unless i change Eyecolor even tho my character is cadian

[unreal nova]

You can do it to skip, but not to unskip.

[deep bone]

Yea it’s a bug

[faint beacon]

There’s also a mod where you can the prologue (Tancred Bastion)

[deep bone]

Being a Vet main in the big 25 is painful

[steep flower]

How so

[deep bone]

This class doesn’t feel as potent as the other classes rn

Especially with the Arbites being out

I’m just trying to find a good setup for Vet rn

I might try Bolt Pistol

[hollow ibex]

painful on vet

[deep bone]

Yea but I like the Bolt Pistol

Matches my Commisar drip

[slow mica]

if you are going for shreder grenades you can increase their Blast radious with the close proximity blessing on the Bolt pistol

[deep bone]

Peak

[faint beacon]

I’ve just hit full blown burn out on vet and added it’s not in the best of states

I’m gonna playing Arby hell of a lot more till something happens to Vet or even Zealot

[lost bay]

So do I not get to play the new stuff that told me on that I could do if I played the campaign?

Cuz it said that I'll be able to play the new missions and other stuff that was mentioned on the decision to play the campaign or to skip it

[severe jolt]

The "new" stuff is just the old stuff but new voicelines. They haven't added a new mission or anything.

[lost bay]

Also, I can't find the tab in the mission terminal that would switch from normal levels to auric levels

[tropic notch]

Wanna play tac axe soyker wif me

[faint beacon]

No

[tropic notch]

Frick you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546727346355568652/1296950998295777300/giphy.gif

[faint beacon]

Oh that goes hard

[tropic notch]

Prepare yourself

[lost bay]

I'm trying to play auric damnation or auric Hersey but there is no tab button that I can find

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon ngl I did a exe stance hellbore and had a ton of fun

Never thought i would

It was fun to actually use something different that the dbarrel or revolver

[sudden cedar]

@lost bay That is because Auric Damnation or Auric Heresy does not exist anymore. You now have Auric Difficulty after Damnation.

[ancient path]

how are you guys liking the devils claw?

[tropic notch]

It’s pretty good

[hollow ibex]

wasn't buffed enough

or rather they didn't buff the main issue with it

flak adm

[formal hamlet]

Man I dunno what it is about the Arbiter class but I feel like an absolute tank in melee.

[hollow ibex]

really high base stats, lots of damage reduction just by playing the game

[formal hamlet]

I feel more fragile as Vet unless I'm spamming VoC, but with my Arbiter it's like I don't even need VoC.

[hollow ibex]

lots of defensive talents

so yeah you're definitely just spoonfed defensive buffs

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I feel like my talents that regain toughness in various ways help a lot.

I'm sure riot shield also helps with managing hordes and such.

Also running it dogless which I think gives me some damage mitigation too.

Oh and that talent I just remembered that caps the damage taken.

[hollow ibex]

the toughness regen is fucking stupid on arbites lol

[formal hamlet]

Yeah like I whack a few guys and my toughness shoots up in massive chunks.

[unreal nova]

Just stagger things.

You even got confident strike if you are scared.

[formal hamlet]

Oh and this is entirely without using the middle active skill which is like the VoC thing.

Which one's confident strike?

[unreal nova]

Taking that and subnodes means no dying till it's down.

If they hit you, hilarious dr anyway, but they already attack much slower.

[formal hamlet]

Guessing we're gonna see a buncha nerfs post-DLC release once everyone's spent their money.

I have no idea if it's the strongest class but feels like a noticable difference in terms of skill floor.

[unreal nova]

Oggy is still better in good hands.

Psyker can do more in havoc but you need skills.

Since psyker dies if even slightly out of position.

[grand perch]

the class is particularily attractive to solo players wanting to be 2 rooms ahead at all times

who needs cohesion or a rescue from dog when you can play arbites

even havoc 40 this shit happens

[unreal nova]

So all the stealth loner zealots.

[grand perch]

except they can get hounded

[formal hamlet]

On Arb I'm using random builds I just made up, just whatever sounded good, I stumble my way through missions tanky as fuck. On Vet I'm using "good" builds, and unless spamming VoC non-stop I feel like I'm trying harder for mission completion.

[grand perch]

dealing with mutants is harder for them too

[unreal nova]

Is like oggy

Get the top diamond and it'll just work.

[formal hamlet]

I hear Arbites struggles with boss killing, dunno if that's true. Might need team support for that.

[sleek garden]

its hard being a pro shooter right now

[unreal nova]

Maybe in high havocs.

[grand perch]

HA

no

[unreal nova]

But aurics lol no.

[sleek garden]

the dogs are murdering every elite before i can shoot

the shotguns one tap everything

[grand perch]

30% monstrosity damage permanent goes brrrrt

[unreal nova]

4 dogs with brittleness mauling the boss is funni.

[formal hamlet]

I lowkey hate the dogs because it accentuates a thing that mild irritated me before; having enemies get staggered as I'm about to pop their head.

[sleek garden]

literally im getting left behind every match

i can't keep up with them

[formal hamlet]

Isn't that meant to be Zealot zooming around like that?

[sleek garden]

they slaughter everything and sprint to the next area while im fighting the horde that dropped behindm e

[unreal nova]

And I'm Bistol memeing.

[formal hamlet]

4 Arbs with dogs probably gives me confidence I can tackles higher diff missions I normally can't do.

[grand perch]

switching away from the top left tree would be a start

but i get your point

[sleek garden]

never

[grand perch]

yeah see

[sleek garden]

but even when im playing arbites too lol

[unreal nova]

Dogs will just maul any mid range specials.

[sleek garden]

they just keep moving so fast

im trying to use a shield and club

or playing psyker

[unreal nova]

Bistol secondary.

[sleek garden]

i cant use my staff to blow up a chunk of horde

[formal hamlet]

I've mostly been doing non-doggy builds, gonna do some doggy ones more today.

[sleek garden]

they are slaughtered immediately

[unreal nova]

Abuse psyker stam regen delay.

[sleek garden]

i had 1 game with multiple ogryns

the new ogryn meta of lightspamming club on everything looks really boring honestly

[unreal nova]

For some reason, Arbites has psyker stam regen.

Maybe zealot regen amount.

[formal hamlet]

Tried left side of talent tree today for Arb, Castigator and all that. Honestly surprised he doesn't auto switch to gun, maybe there's merit in using in for melee too.

[sleek garden]

i swear they had autoclickers or something

[unreal nova]

Keep swinging.

Or skitarius.

[sleek garden]

it must hurt your fingers to just spam light click nonstop

and they were still taking tons of damage

[unreal nova]

Depends on how cheaty the combo is.

[formal hamlet]

I was wondering what's up with Ogryns. Some of these guys were carrying my runs and when I watch them they're just casually hand-waving everything to death and I'm thinking "there must be some crazy tech going on that I can't see from third person".

[sleek garden]

its just bleed and lightspam on the clubs

[formal hamlet]

Tac axe enjoyers can relate.

[unreal nova]

Oggies are overtuned atm but ppl suck at them.

[sleek garden]

ogryn is god tier because he applies bleed and a million debuffs per hit

[unreal nova]

You mean knoife spammers.

[sleek garden]

so you take something that swings fast and mulch

[formal hamlet]

Sometimes I hold left click for knoife.

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet It is called being overtuned. Maybe.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I don't play Ogryn or Psyker so I wouldn't know.

[sudden cedar]

Overtuned may hide some of one players weaknesses

[formal hamlet]

I'm on my Vet 90% of the time, jump onto Zealot once in a blue moon, now I got Arb to play with too I guess.

[sudden cedar]

but in the long run it won't equate to skill

[unreal nova]

Naw, I'm mechanically trashfire.

[sudden cedar]

We still love you Kari.

You are our Aura-bot after all.

[formal hamlet]

I like recon lasgun for Vet lately since I can just really go crazy with it, but fuck me I can't see shit through those iron sights half the time.

[unreal nova]

Arbites made playing zealot harder now. Where shield and knoife?

[sudden cedar]

Weak.

[unreal nova]

I keep trying to block shots. XD

[formal hamlet]

The special on the maul shield is pretty neat.

It's like a free extra nade or something.

[unreal nova]

I dumped power output cos I forget about it often.

[formal hamlet]

Not gonna lie I forgot about it the first day or two.

And then I was like "wait I've not even tried my special yet".

[unreal nova]

XD

[formal hamlet]

The pistol shield one feels meh, great for style points though.

But the maul one I was getting good usage out of.

But the Arb maul without shield, and the shotgun specials, I really don't touch.

Feels pointless loading a special round into the shotgun because by the time I do, the team killed the fucker anyway.

And I don't think the maul special electrocutes, but gives me bonus damage on someone already electrocuted? Not sure.

[torn gorge]

Pistol shield has some fun interactions currently with bugs on right side talents

[formal hamlet]

Oh.

[torn gorge]

75% cleave applies to ranged hits as well, and the talent that gives you 15% ranged damage on stagger can be procced with shotpistol shield bash

[formal hamlet]

I recall some folks here saying Boltgun was looking to be Arb's best ranged weapon.

[formal hamlet]

I didn't even know those were bugs lol.

[torn gorge]

The first is a bug

But its a node that link to the 2nd and is very easy to proc on that weapon specifically

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk about taht

it's good for sure, but idk if it's the best

[torn gorge]

Nothing like getting 12 shotgunner kills with 2 bullets

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it was a bit of pre-release theory crafting IIRC.

[torn gorge]

Best weapon is prob mk8 shottie tbh

[formal hamlet]

The class unique weapons definitely feel great to use for me.

[hollow ibex]

in what way

[formal hamlet]

All this crap and it doesn't matter because Diamantide runs out first.

[torn gorge]

Great breakpoints for specials, 120% adm on unyielding, good range and good ammo economy

Also 25% brittleness for 8s on demand

[hollow ibex]

it's 2 shots for elites in a lot of circumstances

on a gun with 4 shots lol

the range and ammo economy aren't as good as you think they are

[formal hamlet]

Maybe it's a difficulty thing, it feels great on the diffs I play on, though I can see it not hitting certain breakpoints for highest diffs.

[distant mural]

Just allways have one loadet one ammo box small or big replenishes all special shells.

[formal hamlet]

One taps stuff from quite far away.

[hollow ibex]

that'll get fixed in auric/damnation

[formal hamlet]

Damnation is the highest I play on at the moment.

[torn gorge]

Outside of high havoc you 1 tap most specials/elites

[formal hamlet]

Finished an Auric Maelstrom but it was like 4 Arbs so kinda stumbled through the entire thing.

Haven't tried Havoc yet I think.

[distant mural]

Yeah and the second mark has huge range aswell

[torn gorge]

In auric you can even 1 tap ogryns up close

[distant mural]

And still slaps in cqc

[formal hamlet]

I need to try the regular shotty because I'm curious how much of it is the Arb shotty and how much is just shotty buffs we got this patch.

[torn gorge]

As for ammo economy is much better than a bolter

[hollow ibex]

agri slaps the arbi mark 8 shotty all over the place

[distant mural]

Agree and u can even get 25% extra with a talent like the vet

[formal hamlet]

I happen to have one with a good roll on this Arby, I might give it a whirl.

[hollow ibex]

honestly most of the time i forget to use the slugs

becaues the primary fire is so strong now

[formal hamlet]

Don't think my combat shotgun was max mastery anyway, gives me an excuse to get that done too.

TBH I'll get more use out of slugs than the alt fire for Arb shotgun.

[formal hamlet]

Which perks/blessings for Agri shotty?

[deep bone]

The greatest thing fatshork has given us for a while

Coat

[ancient path]

has anyone ever came across a bug where your keybinds stop working?

keybinds and mouse wheel

also which one of yalls combat shotties is the fav

[formal hamlet]

Agri shotty does feel nice.

Way more rounds too.

[ancient path]

I've been using the Accatran for max damage.

Ill try out the agri. Ive seen a clip of it's weakpoint damage.

I thought it was a finesse shotgun for a second.

[unreal nova]

It's a funni shotgun but not and revolver but not. The shotgun just deletes things upclose.

[hollow ibex]

accatran got kinda fucked

barely got changes

well ig at some point the fire rounds got the ability to inflict flechette

[ancient path]

interesting.

[hollow ibex]

but still way worse than agri

[ancient path]

the agri is feeling nice in training.

What blessings do you guys rock?

[tame lodge]

No Respite Full Bore

[ancient path]

neato

ill give it a twirl

[tame lodge]

Full Bore Manstopper

[ancient path]

ive been on a shotgun binge

gotta try out the double barrel soon

love the doom build

[formal hamlet]

Oh I like the gun a lot overall, I just meant the special attack specifically.

[unreal nova]

I meant the shotpistol and shield. It's like trying to be both but... Lul.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it's a cool idea, I like shooting while having my shield up.

And it feels very satisfying to fire.

Speaking of shields I like the shield bash animations.

Stabbed the edge of it into a dude's skull feels pretty neat.

[unreal nova]

Heavy voltage works on the shock maul and shield like this, if you stagger and enemy on an attack with it, it applies the debuff on them so they take more for heavy voltage. Using a shotgun with the same and quickly firing while they are zapped increases the damage done.

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure it's one of IronBreaker's weapon.

[torn gorge]

makes dealing with snipers super safe

and without any need to dodge

fwiw

[formal hamlet]

What, the shield?

[torn gorge]

shotpistol

[formal hamlet]

I dunno about that.

[torn gorge]

ads block any shots

as long as its in the general direction

[formal hamlet]

Takes a while to get close, can take multi shots to down the sniper, sometimes there's more than one, would rather have something that can properly reach out and just dodge one tap.

[torn gorge]

you dont have to close the gap

its a 2 hit at worst at any distance

[formal hamlet]

Like it's doable but not exactly my first or second choice for sniper killin'.

[torn gorge]

1 tap on head

[unreal nova]

Naw, 3 hits for certain targets.

[torn gorge]

i mean snipers

[unreal nova]

Depends on spray as well.

It's still a shotgun.. Lul.