veteran-class

[steep flower]

Delaying innevitable direct contact is never a good option

[willow tendon]

have you answered where would a new player gut such a weapon from

[serene bough]

again, this build implies high level

they have access to these weapons

[unreal nova]

Then, I hope they have USD$12 for Arbites so the dog carries.

[willow tendon]

this build implies level 30 and I repeat that at level 30 I didn't have a maxed weapon

nor did I know what weapon is effective against carapace

[serene bough]

it doesnt need to be maxed, it needs to deal with armor

if we're discussing malice or heresy you deff dont need a maxed weapon

[steep flower]

Its not really about the weapons now or even grenades; its about understanding the enemy - not being afraid of them and engage them. I understand backing slightly away into a more favorable ground when you face multiple elites but when its 1 - 3 its not great

[unreal nova]

You don't know bad players then.

Still traumatised at having to solo with random green 200 weapons.

[void dragon]

Bad players will bring un-upgraded weapons to auric

[serene bough]

the discussion of skill is muddling the conversation to a point where we're ignoring the major elephant in the room: shredders and survivalist are far more new player friendly than kraks and fire team

[willow tendon]

It's not called "entry" for no reason. When they are comfortable with carapace and bosses they are free to swap from krak or to keep using them if not

[steep flower]

The build presented and paths of it is oversimplified; there is no proper explanation

[unreal nova]

I totally did not enjoy having to use a 15% damage melee because just trying to lvl and hoping for the barest of skill. Doggo gud, doggo best friend.

[willow tendon]

I agree with survivalist and nodes leading up to it but a weapon is more complicated

[unreal nova]

Also, any veteran vet would have those anyway and auras don't stack.

[steep flower]

Not really; krak kills them and prevents them from engaging the most feared enemy; its delaying not getting comfortable

[normal bay]

The build is a basic route for levelling and something that will do them before they start to figure out options.

And personally, outside of higher Havoc, kraks with 60s regen and demo team are still good. Removing that pesky bulwark so you can thin out the armoured horde with ranged fire can be clutch sometimes.

[unreal nova]

And why do I play lower diffs at times? Turn brain so off and go full gremlin.

[serene bough]

its better that a new player is punished early and learns how to deal with armored mobs than it is to suggest sub-optimal builds and develop worse gameplay habits down the line and carry them into higher difficulty

[willow tendon]

A new player being punished early might drop the character or the game

[serene bough]

i understand thats what people are advocating here, but this is just the wrong basic route to take

[void dragon]

Meanwhile me in auric games with knife for the sole goal to give team ammo and med packs they don't pick so my loot goblin must share so they have no excuse when they die stupidly

[steep flower]

One must engage in order to understand and if it will end up being squished (more than once) then its ok; nobody who started learning did everything perfect

[steep flower]

Fking right that one is!

[unreal nova]

This is basically it. The only reason some even do vet is just for penance points. The class sucks to play so much early on already.

[steep flower]

Unfortunate; darktide ain’t exacly a mayo jar clicker

[unreal nova]

Too weapon power reliant, squishy and slow.

[steep flower]

[unreal nova]

They don't have even Assail to carry them.

[normal bay]

And I learned fighting 8 crushers in a dark room with melee is a bad time lol. Even with hours under my belt and plenty of civi maelstroms.

Hard to see the overhead coming occasionally. Maulers are especially bad, come at you out of nowhere

[willow tendon]

tell that to ogryn players

[void dragon]

I play it specifically because it has the funny shotgun melee experience that is not worth the effort but feels more rewarding than meleeyker

[unreal nova]

And look, the starter inf las is so shit, I know ppl who only used shovel.

[steep flower]

Seen copied meta oggy builds and ppl folding hard

So nah

[void dragon]

Me who use Branx with no attack speed nodes

[unreal nova]

I know. Is what I do. My build is support 'nadier after all.

[vapid thunder]

chat do i change my veteran to loose cannon

[void dragon]

Need to hear the dialogue between loose cannon and the Arbys

[steep flower]

Is nice; all voice sets are nice; use what you like in this department - don’t ask others

[unreal nova]

Boom and room bleeds, but any oggy just takes away my damage for reason.

[void dragon]

Just cover against the ambush wave behind the team, no one takes that wave

[unreal nova]

I mean, I had two proper built gunluggers failing to gunlug. I gave them all ammo even and just relied on shotpistol to deal with trappers.

[serene bough]

but shredders are better at killing maulers than kraks

[unreal nova]

LC best imo. Gremlin go!

[serene bough]

like, if you're lucky you'll kill a few crushers in a cluster with a krak

[steep flower]

I would say gunlugger is harder to play than classic club spam build cause of lower survivability & micromanaging of rezources

[normal bay]

You must be using some nice shredders

[vapid thunder]

u get gunluggers?

all i get are rumbler tauntgryns

[steep flower]

Extremelly rare that is

[unreal nova]

Naw, doggos deals with it. Don't ask, 3 Arbites and a Vet. I just stare.

[serene bough]

and im completely ignoring the synergy between shredders and uncanny strikes interaction

[serene bough]

?

[unreal nova]

It's heresy.

[normal bay]

Honestly, I agree. Especially if you don't know the better builds.

Way less tanky than meleegryn

[vapid thunder]

is there any reason to use smokes

[steep flower]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Yep. I get funni (more fun than hard meta) build oggies or Arbites only.

[normal bay]

Objectives, revives, ranged enemy hordes

[steep flower]

Many reasons in fact

[heavy rover]

Especially against gunners

[unreal nova]

Break Rodin or NOT Rodin AI.

[hollow ibex]

i still think smokes aren't particularly great outside of havoc

like bubble

[unreal nova]

Not having 0 toughness all the time is nice.

[hollow ibex]

but they can be fun sometimes

[unreal nova]

Because I always somehow have Rodin's AI and get plasma'd.

[unreal nova]

Newbies won't know that though.

[serene bough]

thats why im ignoring it

[vapid thunder]

ranged captain is so easy to dodge what

[void dragon]

Saw a band of dogos riding a Pogryn like they were cowboys, it was both hilarious and cool, such good boys

[sudden cedar]

@vapid thunder The way Kari has to play, it is.. not as easy as it might seem. Dodging with 300+ ping is.. challenging.

[unreal nova]

Play at 400 ping and come back to me about easy to dodge.

[void dragon]

why whould you ask someone to pass for such torture Karien? are you evil?

[unreal nova]

By the time I see the warning, too late to dodge.

[unreal nova]

Bonus they all emp said boss.

[sudden cedar]

Maybe she's just enjoying pain.

[unreal nova]

Sadomaso.

||I'm supposed to be a Slaaneshi after all, right?||

Why pubbing Damnation and hoping for decent teammates but getting some... players where their dogs carry them at 300+ ping...

Trying to clutch 300+ ping sucks.

[void dragon]

||corresponding cheers to your partner's good luck ||

[unreal nova]

She's ace.

[void dragon]

ok now THAT's funny

[slim copper]

Why is your ping so bad?

[ancient path]

call it a timer. can you kill it before the krak blows up?

... yes.

[unreal nova]

That's cos SEA is ded at this hour. I have to play EU or US.

And yes, I either play 5 ping or 300+...

[slim copper]

Ahh okay that makes sense there's no fixing playing on another continent's server

[unreal nova]

So people question how.

[faint beacon]

I’d love to see the Krak arm time get lowered

[ancient path]

god emperor, please.

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause by the time I toss it at anything but a boss my team has already collectively killed the Cara enemy

[steep flower]

3 kraks, shorter fuse time, faster deploy rate

[ancient path]

i love throwing kraks on crushers/bulwarks and hearing zealots spam their blitz towards them

[faint beacon]

Extremely rarely do I see people

Respect the Krak

And let it detonate

[ancient path]

NO I GOTTA TOP DPS CHARTS

throw a krak and a zealot full unloads on a bulwark, then sprints towards a big ammo pickup

[faint beacon]

Honestly it’s got me thinking once I get bored of Arby which happens occasionally

Combat shotgun build with Kraks might go hard

[sudden cedar]

But.. but..

But Kraks are not worth it!

You must use Shredder Frags!

[faint beacon]

Seeing it’s going to inevitably be a WS build

Probably gonna be a Caxe, Taxe, or PS melee

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon You don't understand, you must use Shredder Frags!

[frank basin]

Taxe much more mobilizing

As ws is lot of reflexes and mobility

[torn gorge]

WS gives you already mobility to weapons that do not have it

and taxe isnt great on cara for when inevitably you wont have a krak at hand

are you gonna use a shottie on a bunch of crushers?

[hollow ibex]

Taxe has ok carapace damage

[grand perch]

yup

[faint beacon]

It’s buff + the talents vet offers

Again I know what I’m getting into when I’ve done multiple Taxe H40s

[solemn niche]

breakpoint ples why u do this to me

[torn gorge]

[willow tendon]

reverse falloff

[grand perch]

you should take longshot

[ancient path]

This is what ive been rocking on my vet lately.

A lot of fun

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/willie-wonka-no-stop-don't-gif-11221097651805665906

[faint beacon]

Longshot Agri CS

Lmao

[willow tendon]

Longshot
Lmao

[normal bay]

Now I see where I've been going wrong with the hellbore. The point of aim is below the tip of the sight. This makes the sight even worse

[hollow ibex]

Prob depends on the skin

And fwiw

Super easy to nail headshots with how big the projectiles are lol

[normal bay]

What would be the best skins?

Not that I could buy them right now...

[sudden cedar]

Avoid the Vostroya

Heard you get flashed every time you use it.

[normal bay]

Oh good, they get worse

[versed forum]

Anyone else get that glitch where in the customization if you go over the kreig stuff it just stays on over the other head custom stuff?

[sudden cedar]

@normal bay Something to do with the metal and reflecting and so on

[unreal nova]

Oh wow, so Dog bomb with Bistol is like, Bigger and does apply puncture.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-turn-mr-fantastic-and-thing-mr-fantastic-2015-fantastic-four-2015-miles-teller-gif-14989446712125729322

[plain osprey]

Arbites Chat wasnt much help because all of them answered with: haha shotgun go brr, so i'll ask it here:

"Anyone in here who considers themselves an expert/conaisseur of autoguns (any of the 3 will do) on any of the human classes? I want to compare notes for a gunner build on arbites"?

[tame lodge]

Infantry Autoguns?

Vraks5 is THE dps monster

[narrow frost]

Vigilant, braces, and infantry

[tame lodge]

Braced Autogun is just a power house with lots of suppression that doesn't rely on crits, but are worse than infantry autos dps wise

Vigilants are Dedicated Marksman Rifles

High Finesse scaling
Good flak adms

[plain osprey]

I know about the MK v.

I wanna talk about Talent tree nodes

Anyone who has a deeper grasp about arbites talent tree, feel free to DM me. I have several talent tree builds for gunner, i just wanna know If i am on the right track with those

[tame lodge]

Shove enough CRIT chance

Brrrrrr

[plain osprey]

I think there are one or two nodes on the left side of the tree with crit Chance and Terminus decree gives range damage buffs. So middle tree Keystone, ammo aura and some of the left side nodes like the two percent crit Strike chance and the rending node ive taken so far.

Also the extra ammo node, the increased ranged damage note and a few more

[plain osprey]

I use both braced and infantry interchangeably, with slightly different playstyles but largely similar builds.

Vigilant may need its own specific build entirely

I wonder If castigators stance or nuncio aquilla are better suited for a Vigilant autogun build

[sudden cedar]

For learning how the Vigilant works with the Arbitrator, maybe use the Nuncio-Aquila, but i think Castigator Stance is better.

[faint beacon]

Casti I’ve noticed

[sudden cedar]

I can comfortably use the Vigilant on my Zealot, while being surpressed, so it shouldn't really be needed.

[faint beacon]

Casti lets you tunnel vision under pressure which is admittedly a bad habit but sometimes

You seriously need to stand still for one second to snipe that annoying ass Tox bomber

I tend to make it work better on Vet but like Vigilants are good on Arby and Vet

Zealot and Psyker can make them work but they excel on those two classes

[broken parcel]

Really quick, off topic, which personality voice do yall think is the most used.

[sudden cedar]

Maul

Because either Judge-Dredd or Kerillian

[marsh vortex]

just got out of the Retirement home, what are we using nowadays?

[plain osprey]

I'll try both

By the way, since i got you here, when i recently played Veteran (cadia sands) and met a quickplay random scothish voice Actress zealot named Evelyn that told me not to disapoint her in Chat before the Mission, was that you?

[plain osprey]

Sounds good to me since i take a little longer to shoot and aim than most others. And one generally needs to aim for weakspots with the vigilant since the body shot damage is abyssmal

[marsh vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tell-me-night-shift-episode-gif-3225840484203837233

[plain osprey]

Well, i hate to give you a White collar answer, but, IT DEPENDS

[faint beacon]

I’ve gotten chastised for running lone wolf on Arby to a point I’m trying to think of a response to justify my LW keystone pick lmao

[broken parcel]

I think Lone Wolf is pretty good.

So I dunno why people would hate you for that.

[plain osprey]

Plasma gun and duelingsword are still meta somewhat, but just as many roads lead to rome many weapons are very good or at least usable. Lots of A tier, quite some s tier.

It's not the weapon that makes the reject though

It is the man behind the screen

[stiff cipher]

You guys got a good class recommendation I feel like with recon laz I be dragging my teams sometimes

[plain osprey]

Same here. Categorize it under the "Nickelback or pineapple on Pizza - hate". People just like shitting on something and that lone wolf thing is, within the doggo hype, the easy and "hip" way out to do that.

My retort has usually just been "he is with hadron getting spoiled with treats and getting upgrades".

That shuts most of them up

Block those that it doesnt

[plain osprey]

Class or gun?

The recon las absolutely fucks on all classes that have it given the right build

[sudden cedar]

I had the same happen to me when i said i am happy that there is the option to trade the dog for personal buffs.

[hollow ibex]

Just say “my RL dog just died”

[plain osprey]

Emotional damage Manipulation.

Clever .

Very clever

Unless its true. In that case, here is a hug 🫂

[stiff cipher]

Class I just wanna run something that’ll help me get through havoc so I can unlock the penances

[hollow ibex]

My RL dog has indeed passed but that was fifteen years ago 😓

[plain osprey]

Eh, all classes work
I dunno If recon las is such a good idea, but on vet, with shocktrooper and shout it should be usable

[sudden cedar]

The Recon is very much usable.

[hollow ibex]

Recon las is good with vet

[stiff cipher]

I think I do have a good class. I don’t know if I’ve the most efficient things picked for it

[plain osprey]

Some pain never really goes away. Salute to your dog and sorry for your loss 🫡

[hollow ibex]

But number one mistake I see with recon las players is just spraying everything with lasers and not using their melee

[faint beacon]

I’d rather my dog avoid combat when I personally enjoy getting my hands dirtier

Aka

[hollow ibex]

Thanks 🤝

[plain osprey]

Best way to find out is screenshot your build and weapons stats and put it here

[faint beacon]

I can play without dog cause I know how to without needing it

[stiff cipher]

I use the fencing sword, whatever that is obviously, but that’s just cause I was told it was probably the best option

Dueling sword

[hollow ibex]

It’s going to get nerfed prob

And psword is prob stronger tbh

[stiff cipher]

Thought it already did with the new update

[hollow ibex]

Not yet, the leaked patch notes were just leaks and not actually changes made

But it’s coming eventually

[stiff cipher]

Gotcha

[plain osprey]

You have to admit, the very mechanics of that weapon make this behavior very tempting 🫣🤣🤣

[hollow ibex]

Yeah definitely

[stiff cipher]

Every once in a while towards the end of the match, if I have a lot of ammo I just mag dump them

[hollow ibex]

Totally fine if you want to just burn out your ammo at the end of the match

[stiff cipher]

But then again also, sometimes I just feel like letting loose with lasers

[steady prism]

That is to be expected. Ever since the start of the game.. you will always have at least one person in public matches that grabs an automatic and shoots everything that twitches. mag dumping is the name. I get SO TIRED of it. It is like how lazy do you have to be for an automatic? I have been using the Infantry Las Rifle XI I think its name is? Since the beginning. I have had no problems with tapping

[heavy rover]

they're new, they'll learn eventually. It's not like you see that on havoc or something

[steady prism]

No its not new players. I see it in Havoc on and off. As a matter of fact, a few of the 2025 Veteran builds are the automatics. It makes 0 sense to me not just for the mag dumping but also because of how short "close damage" is.. It is 8 meters or less. This means if you took the hardest hitting Recon which is the XIV.. It would go from 147 damage to 21 damage on certain enemies outside of 8 meters. This is why the Infantry Las is better. If you don't like the IX, the VII is fine too. the VII has more stability so its easier for "snap shots"

[sudden cedar]

Mag-dumping and waste of ammo will always happen

shooting is far safer than melee after all

[steady prism]

True but that is why you get a weapon specific towards that. Even at higher difficulties, I can two tap a Rager in the head with the IX. That only costs me 6 ammo in total for one Rager. I have over 700 in reserve

[stiff cipher]

Sounds like someone hates automatic rifleman

Let me provide “suppressive” fire mannnn

[steady prism]

Oh I do very much. It is un-necessary and wasteful.. Both on ammo and numbers. Let me just delete an enemy at long range. See that Tan and Green rager? Its gone in two Las Shots

[stiff cipher]

Yeah your two laz shots equal 10 of mine so

And 10 looks cooler than one

[sudden cedar]

Automatic Rifles serve a purpose indeed.

Infantry Autogun can provide very good suppression and stagger on lightly armoured targets when you get overwhelmed

but mag-dumping just because you can? No.

[stiff cipher]

I win fights with superior firepower

[steady prism]

I am not certain what math you are trrying to do but.. I have been to the Meat Grinder to check the numbers knowing Hit Registry is always a problem. Depending on which enemy it is, my IX will hit for close to 1,000 damage per shot on the head

[stiff cipher]

Not real math more of a guess

[steady prism]

Yes and that is always the problem. Every automatic person I see is a mag dumper. I have yet to see one actually use it correct. As I said, if you want to shoot anything that twitches at that distance, Infantry Las is better for that. It is geared towards far damage and it does it well. Especially the IX because it can benefit from higher damage blessings that the VII can't

[stiff cipher]

I shoot at anything that moves because I like the light show also automatic weapons my beloved

[stiff cipher]

Average rifleman when a crew served is active

[brave acorn]

The Emperor gave us full auto. He expects us to use it

What’s the problem anyway? I can dump all the ammo I want; you ain’t using it😉

[steady prism]

This is what I am referring to. This is why we can't have nice things in most games

[elder vessel]

Here to spread the word of infiltrate veteran

[steady prism]

Infiltrate is fine. I use that knowing how oblivious some of my team mates can be. I remember the last match I played as Veteran, I killed 3 Ragers then a few seconds after, I had 3 chasing me from an unknown angle. I was dodging and axe'ing them as best as I could but you would think that between the Rager noise and my Las Gun that my team mates would turn around. Nope. They are too concerned with trying to speed run the mission. So I was like ahaha.. This is on you. I stealthed and they downed one of my team mates because they came from behind

[elder vessel]

kek

[solar surge]

Ngl the combat shotgun doesn't compare to the Arbites ones. Not saying they should do the same damage, but watching them oneshot almost everything on damnation, and the fact that all of their shotguns can pierce carapace annoys me. With their shotgun doing 1k+ I think this is how it should go for our shotguns.

Accartran - MK IX from 674dmg to 874 dmg.

Zarona - Mk VI from 495dmg to at least 695-745dmg

Agripinaa - Mk VII from 400dmg to 600-700 dmg.

Idk does this seem unreasonable?

[long dove]

In yalls opinions are Autoguns worth running?

[tame lodge]

Which ones

[hollow ibex]

Mk3 doesn’t do shit against carapace

[tame lodge]

Also it's Carapace

[solar surge]

yes strictly because they mostly pierce carapace, which in lore that isn't how it works.

[long dove]

Infantry Autogun

[steady prism]

You should never use a shotgun for carapace rofl. That is what the Bonk or an Axe is for. Yes the Arbites Shotgun is OP and the Veteran should have access to stronger shot guns

[long dove]

No armor piercing? Lol

[tame lodge]

Yeah vraks 5 is the dps monster

[hollow ibex]

Accatran combat shotty needs help still but I think the rest is fine

Need to test more

[tame lodge]

Unless Arby's have something more dps monster than vraks5

But I doubt it

[tall torrent]

only accatran shotgun needs direct damage buff
all of them need better min pellet count
agripinaa shotgun is better than arbites shotguns in most areas

[hollow ibex]

Agri seems really fucking nice now

[solar surge]

Nearly all the autoguns pierce the carapace, but the design of carapace is meant to deal with ballistics, while flak was to my knowledge meant to deal with lasguns, and other heated weapons. It's described as being able to tank at least one plasma shot if you get hit directly in the chestplate.

[tall torrent]

the arbites shotguns are not even that good

[steady prism]

SUmmary of the conversation before you posted: Automatics are fine as long as you arent a mag dumper. You should only ever shoot things that matter like Ranged units. Melee units should either by dealt with by a team mate or you deal with it, with your melee. It is why I run an Axe.. I can transition between horde clearing to Strong attack, head dumping Crushers

[tall torrent]

quite good

[hollow ibex]

None of the autoguns are effective against carapace without big investment

Idk about the lore

Just taking about the game

[solar surge]

Shrug Not what I've witnessed. They steam roll everything, and I watch their shotpistol onetap gunners, the armor piercing shotgun they have also onetaps gunners. While the Agripnaa takes 3-4 shots unless you of course land a perfect slug round to the head. Though things get so hectic at times I find myself having to stagger 10 different gunners because we're being surpressed rather than going for an instant kill shot with a slug.

[tall torrent]

nah, the lack of range is horrendous
agripinaa shotgun does almost everything better

more ammo
more reliable 1 taps
more reliable boss dmg

[steady prism]

The real issue with Veteran is that it is suppose to be a designated range unit for this game however.. Its options are limited when it comes to armor like Carapace. You have the Bolter which is good yes but it has a low ammo count. There is the Plasma gun which is a similar issue plus Heat you have to be on top of. It is why I supported the forum posts asking for new weapons like the Hot Shot Las. A Las weapon with a scope and armor melting would be nice

Melta gun I am not sure on yet. I could see that as being a fun close range Veteran weapon but I am not certain if it would see a lot of use

[solar surge]

Yeah but a good arbites player can close the distance really well. Range is almost never a problem. And their armor piercing shotgun has plenty of range, I've used it and can onetap gunners at least from mid range.

They also have a shield.

[tame lodge]

🤓 the designated range unit is psyker

[hollow ibex]

Vets more of a hybrid now anyways, though I do think ranged heavy playstyles should be more viable

[tame lodge]

True

[steady prism]

Yes the Designated range is Psyker because Fatshark bungled the Veteran design

Arbites Shotgun is hilarious.. Flak Ragers dead in one hit.. Nailed 3 of them last night

[solar surge]

Like I'm sitting here complaining about shotguns, fair point. Though for a close ranged weapon of devastation, it is lacking in terms of lore, and design. Though of course if I want to sweat a little which I don't enjoy, I could kill most things on the map no problem.

While I don't even have to put in much effort playing arbites with shotgun.

[tall torrent]

arbites shotgun pretty funny cuz it can just pull shit like this on u
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14146397060050835750/FD8FD2E1D919319A62EB8CC68B907256A70EBE48/

it's not even that far

[scenic bear]

Real life accurate shotgun

[steady prism]

The problem with that is as I said, the game needs a better design with not just the classes but also the weapons. And let us say they design shotguns better.. The other issue is the Hit Registry. There is a reason I am considering moving from the XI Las to VII.. It is because the Hit registry is so bad as of late, that at least 2 of my hits do not register per enemy

Fat Shark used to be better at design during its earliest days. I miss War of the Roses. RIP the good Fat Shark days

[solar surge]

yeah at mid range it can onetap most things on damnation. That shotgun also pierces armor pretty well, as I've killed many crushers with it. Though of course their damn shield and mace does plenty of armor piercing. Meanwhile veteran struggles with armor unless he wants to trade a horde clearing melee weapon for a single strike, and the only horde clearing shotgun, is the worst one, being the brown one.

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6 is right there

Single target

Horde Clearing

[solar surge]

Ah yeah, you're right.

Sometimes I forget the powersword exists because I hate using it so much.

[tame lodge]

😭

[tall torrent]

I'm not sure why horde clear should ever be a major factor in choosing ranged weapon

[steady prism]

I use the Antax Mk V Combat Axe. Sure it is slow but it chunks hordes and Crushers. Two fully charged strong attacks to a Crusher head deletes it

[solar surge]

I never touch the axes, maybe I should invest in one.

[steady prism]

You should. Even at higher difficulties the Antax and Las XI has yet to fail me.. Once you get Brutal Momentum.. You can perma stun Crushers on Strong Attacks. It buys you time for the next strong attack wind up

[tall torrent]

if arbites shotguns got better range and actually 1 tapped with full consistency they'd be good

but rn they're just mid at best

mk3 has one niche worth going for

even tho I don't think it's a niche that's so good that it'd worth trading range sniping for

arbites' ranged sniping is so bad I gotta run a boltpistol just to have real 1 taps

that's an insane thing to say in this game

[steady prism]

I will say it is surprising that as strong as the Arbites shotgun is, that it doesn't one tap certain things.. This is the closest IRL equivalent to the Executioner Shotgun.. Its the shell on the left. Compare that to the 12 gauge on the right

[tall torrent]

the most common breakpoints for ranged weapons are 1 hit flamer and 1 hit gunner

neither arbites shotgun does any of those 3 breakpoints consistently

• super small mag size

• low ammo reserve

[umbral scaffold]

Noooooooo they nerfed plasma

[neon current]

any of the vet resident math heads done BPs on arbi yet?

[tall torrent]

didn't happen yet

[tall torrent]

breakpoint for what

[umbral scaffold]

I saw patchnotes

[neon current]

where to put last point for max efficiency

and I don't wanna hear about crits with maul

it sucks

[tall torrent]

those are not finalized

[neon current]

debating between 10% dmg or target prio

[umbral scaffold]

Oh phew

[neon current]

wonder if the 15% gets me any BPs with the shottie

[solar surge]

Is there a point to having two impact blessings on a damn catachan blade? Like, why is this a thing?

[steady prism]

Break points? Why would you need to know that on Arbites. I am a Veteran Main that is playing Arbites right now.. And the only thing you need to know is Bonk everything. If the Bonk fails, either you did something wrong, or the Hit Registry is acting up more than usual

[tall torrent]

why

[tall torrent]

this has to be a troll build

lol

[neon current]

not one bit

crit sucks

you'll average 10% on H40

[tall torrent]

not having emperor's fist already sealed its fate

[neon current]

20% with the +10% node

hmm, shud prolly get that for the 30% impact huh

not having the 25% one

[tall torrent]

any arbites build that doesn't include emperor's fist is automatically trolling

[neon current]

why is that so

[tall torrent]

it's that simple

[neon current]

does it give you rager stagger BP?

[tall torrent]

do u not know what first target is or smth

[neon current]

apparently I don't

would asssume it's the first target hit

I'm sensing that is not it

[steady prism]

My Arbites is running the VI Shock with Suppression shield because it does more damage and stagger than the XI or whatever it is. I runn Hammer on the blessing because I can perma stagger up to Crushers. I make crushers sit down and question their life choices as they get punished.. I mean bonked repeately

[tall torrent]

every melee attack has different dmg profile for diff targets hit

first target is the very first

[neon current]

yea

[tall torrent]

emperor's fist is just always free dmg

[neon current]

on the first target only tho?

both 15% stagger and heavy applies to everyone

[tall torrent]

on the one target that mainly matters, yea

purposefully not taking crit and soulguilt is also pretty troll ngl

[rare garden]

how do i get emperor's fist on my vet

[solar surge]

Everyone has told me not to do the 60s grenade replenishment due to branching with vet not being as good as other classes. Though with my shotgun commando build, I find I need smoke grenades more often, and have saved even a team of arbites with my vet because I smoked and forced 5 shotgunners to close the distance into melee.

Idk I feel like my build will get laughed at if I post it.

[neon current]

I was debating between 10% melee, prio target or emp fist

[steady prism]

Yes and you need as much damage as possible when running things like the VI Shock and Suppression because its max possible damage is 254 and it doesn't strike heads as easily as my Veteran's Antax Combat Axe. The Antax max possible is 306 plus it gets blessings like Brutal Momentum which is 15% Headshot damage bonus

[tall torrent]

scoreboard checks crit based on hits, not attacks

[neon current]

what does that even mean

[tall torrent]

as in, if u crit in an attack that hits 10 enemies, that'll count as 10 critical hits

[neon current]

so it's even worse

[tall torrent]

but if u crit in an attack that hits 1 enemy, that'll count as 1 critical hit

[neon current]

so, it's even worse

[tall torrent]

so the crit rate stat pretty unreliable

[neon current]

yea but 10% is gigalow either way

[tall torrent]

this doesn't serve as any good argument to say the crit talent is bad

lol

[neon current]

when on paper you can stack it up to 21%

[sleek garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/3oWXjzJ3ef

[neon current]

actually

23.5% cuz of base

[sleek garden]

Dog

[solar surge]

I personally think they need to move rending strikes from all the way down here, to the top part of this tree.

[tall torrent]

getting 10% just means most of ur crit attacks landed on not that many enemies

it doesn't accurately reflect ur real crit chance

[neon current]

at the end of the day, that's a pretty good indication

[steady prism]

Yes. You only run Critical if there is no other choice. Example is the VII Infantry Las. Because it doesn't have Stagger like the XI, you can't benefit from Falter. At that point you don't have any real good options other than Deadly Accurate + Head Hunter (for blessings)

[tall torrent]

nah it really is not

[neon current]

of your actual dmg done

[solar surge]

is crit on a shotgun even good?

[neon current]

because critting air does not matter

yea all arbi weapons have good finesse

[sleek garden]

Ghost saves my butt on lasgun

[neon current]

even the shield

[tall torrent]

weirdly enough, yes

[sleek garden]

I can't imagine using it reliably without ghost

[tall torrent]

this is straight up untrue

I literally have stagger breakpoints done on it

[sleek garden]

I use ghost and falter on my infantry lasgun and it definitely helps with specialists

And elites

[sleek garden]

Falter I mean

[neon current]

ghost falter

[steady prism]

You can do it yes but if you go to the meat grinder with both running Falter you can see the difference in damage.. I am talking from a numbers perspective which you should know given that screen capture

[neon current]

I have never seen that combo

[sleek garden]

ghost so I can shoot shooters

[tall torrent]

deadly accurate is almost bait tier on inf las
the only 3 blessings that matter on it are ghost, headhunter and falter

[sleek garden]

Falter so if I need a double tap on a flamer it doesn't continue roasting me

it also knocks shooters to the floor if you don't kill them with bodyshots

[tall torrent]

both VII and IX are mainly 2 taps

[sleek garden]

but my mk7 can one shot bodyshot shooters

[tall torrent]

most of the time ur crit-headshot will not be the first shot on an enemy

because headhunter needs u to weakspot hit smth first to stack it

[sleek garden]

I always felt the inflas had a healthy crit rate though

[tall torrent]

it doesn't change shots to kill in the vast majority of cases

the only time it does anything is vs reaper

where it doesn't even change ur ttk that much

[steady prism]

The VII has a lower sway number than the XI which makes headshots easier. So in theory if you are a good shot then you can make the most out of the blessing. However I will agree for the average person, there are better blessings

[tall torrent]

and ghost is far better for tanking reapers

[sleek garden]

If you're 1v1ing a reaper with an infantry lasgun I would 100% take ghost over deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

deadly accurate still requires dedicated spec to reach 1 taps on important targets

[sleek garden]

It takes like 4-5 shots and they can shred you

[tall torrent]

it's just not worth running

[tall torrent]

yea, I talked about it above

[sleek garden]

honestly though if you build the infantry lasgun right you don't need to bank on crits to kill

it's nice when the crit instakills the dreg flamer but I was already going to shoot it again

[steady prism]

Which you should have anyways if you running either Las. If you don't, then I am curious as to what that person is doing

[tall torrent]

when I say dedicated spec I'm moreso referring to exe stance and marksman's focus

otherwise crit-weakspot still doesn't do enough to push 1 taps

VII's dmg vs targets that actually matter for it

[steady prism]

I have tested the VII before.. I know if you run Long Shot with Kill Zone.. That is 1 shot on most things but yes you need Exe stance to get it to do 1 shot on larger targets. I apply the same thing to my XI

[tall torrent]

longshot is pure meme

killzone can change some breakpoints but using on it for breakpoints is unreliable

[steady prism]

True which is why I have my build in such a way that those two plus Precision strikes is not out of my way.. Reduces how often I need Exe stance to a point where I usually run Infiltrate

[sleek garden]

i need longshot to get exhilarating takedown

[tall torrent]

gunners and flamers are not "larger targets"

they're the baseline for ranged breakpoints

[sleek garden]

Playing arbitrator feels like I'm on easy mode in damnation

I went back to veteran and I was being left in the dust it was all I could do to kill a sniper before 3 dogs jumped it

[steady prism]

By larger targets I mean Muties, Reapers, etc.. Those I need to push a lot of damage to make the shots count. I am not talking about break point when I say large target. I am more concerned with those dying as quickly as possible

[sleek garden]

Muties take a surprising amount of damage from inflas

I can kill one with 3 headshots if it's charging me head on

[tall torrent]

then they're straight up out of 1 tap range unless u meme build

[sleek garden]

How do you stack that kind of damage

[steady prism]

1 Tap is only possible by critical on my build which almost never happens. Depending on hit registry, 2 to 3 tap on muties with my build

[tall torrent]

1 tap should not even be possible

[solar surge]

What blessings should I get for the catachan knife?

[tall torrent]

this is already ridiculous meme build and it's still missing almost 1700 dmg to 1 tap reaper

[steady prism]

For my build it is even at higher difficulties.. Muties are a 3 tap for me on average. Again hit registry is the limiting factor. You can post numbers all you want but I am telling as a long time Veteran main who runs what most consider a "meme build".. It works. Always has. I never feel like changing my build because of how effective it is. Even people in chat are surprised at how quickly I delete Muties and Reapers

[sleek garden]

Maybe he's using the super heavy infla

[tall torrent]

yea just, 1 tap reaper is not rly a thing for this gun

u gotta record to make me believe it

[steady prism]

I am. As I said the XI though I have tested the VII in the past. That combined with every damage node I can grab

[sleek garden]

If you want to 1 tap reapers just bring the lawbringer shotgun with +unyielding

[solar surge]

nvm I think I found the perfect blessing build with my knife.

have to have serrated blade for it to work.

[tall torrent]

IX still takes ridiculous meme build to even get close

[tall torrent]

uncanny + precog/riposte/flesh tearer for mk6

[sleek garden]

what if you also take a damage stim

Can you account for that

or teammate's damage boosts

[steady prism]

What for XI calculations? Team Mates wouldnt be a factor more than likely. Look at its stats.. It is a far damage weapon not a close. If you are close enough for team auras, you are losing damage on it

[tall torrent]

it's barely more dmg than VII and mostly not in relevant ways

[sleek garden]

It is a hard choice but on mine I don't take +maniac

[tall torrent]

VII vs IX

[sleek garden]

so I know if I changed my variant to XI I could one tap ragers with no crits

[sleek garden]

That is a juicy boost to unyielding

[steady prism]

And considering at higher difficulties that Unyielding enemies are in the 10K + range for health or something silly, it does make a difference (a little)

[tall torrent]

still takes ridiculous meme build to get the crit 1hs on reaper

it's just not worth running

[solar surge]

currently using the mk3, went with serrated blade to stack bleed, uncanny, and mercy kill. manage to 3 shot a crusher if I land only melee head shots with the special +left click combo.

[sleek garden]

I mean the jump from 500 to 800 might shave off 2-4 shots

they should put hotshot on the inflas

[tall torrent]

mercy killer is not strong enough to warrant using serrated blade most of the time

[sleek garden]

Imagine the shotgunner conga line kills

[tall torrent]

mk3 knife scales a little bit better with lacerate than mk6

but mk6 is better overall even though more complex

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=685ee623&is=685d94a3&hm=28c3fb168feefa0c56bcf5801b8a060bb8918a74d6ebb52e707331ec041296d2&

[steady prism]

indeed. I am not sure if you knew or others in this chat but.. There is more unyielding than some realize. This is the sectional damage for Reaper and bulwark.. notice their head type

[sleek garden]

ever see something that feels like it might be unhealthy for the game

[solar surge]

mk6 does seem to have more horde clearing potential, and still has the jab stab combo. I guess I'll use it.

[sleek garden]

I knew this mostly from just shooting them

Unyielding on shotguns toasts them

[steady prism]

Ah very good.. a Veteran that pays attention. Not many know this.. Even the older players. It is why I laugh when people say I am a meme build.. My build is in response to what I see in public matches and because I know the details of this game like that. Wait Scab Shotgunners? That is Flak on the head

[sleek garden]

huh

no like on the Zarona shotgun

[steady prism]

Oh! I mis understood you

[sleek garden]

The devils claw is still sad enough that when I have to deal with dreg bruisers I swing for the body instead of the head

Their silly little helmets are flak

[steady prism]

Yes this is why I run the Antax as mentioned.. It is slow because of it having Cleave instead of finesse at its stat but, I can usually one shot Flak Armor.. Even on Torso shots. Again hit registry though

[sleek garden]

I still think the achyls should be what the duelling sword is

The crazy part is that technically the duelling sword got another buff this patch

They made the lights a bit stronger

[steady prism]

I wouldn't know. When Darktide was first released, I played Veteran. At first I was XI Las and Rashad but I quickly realized how problematic hordes can be with the Rashad so I switched to the Antax. I did try other ranged weapons as the passive tree changed. I know for awhile people recommended I try the Kantarael Las Pistol and the VII so I did switch to those briefly but went right back to the XI

[torn gorge]

tbh early on zealot playing caxe were running antax as well

[sleek garden]

Rashad is literally the busted horde clear axe right now

And the xi inflas has too much recoil

I just use the 7

[steady prism]

Yes. I caught on to that much quicker than the Zealots did.. I was using the Antax C Axe before they did. And I doubt it. Rashad lacks cleave which means its damage doesnt distribute in the way the Antax does

[torn gorge]

the main reason for antax was the attack patterns that allowed for smooth 1 tap with right keystone

[tall torrent]

antax's cleave target stat matters for only 1 attack, and it's still the dump stat

[hollow ibex]

You realize brumentum is a thing right

[torn gorge]

but tbh if you prefer that moveset over rashad nobody should stop you picking it

at the end of the day it just matters how you perform with a given loadout

even if said loadout might not have the theoretical higher/highest performance ceiling

[steady prism]

1 attack can be clutch at times though. That term rings a bell but its been awhile since I heard it.. Brumentum. I will google it. I can always try the Rashad again but I have been very comfortable with my setup

And unfortunately when you do pick items or builds that work and are efficient, people will give you grief for it. Like mine has no movement speed and so people complain when I am not speed running the match like they are. Its like bro I am moving fairly quick. And even with your super speed there is no way you are completing this match in 5 minutes (which is what they aim for apparently)

[hollow ibex]

Rashad is trash without brumentum but godly with it

[torn gorge]

you have to constantly slide on a caxe in general

[hollow ibex]

That’s true of most weapons tbh

[steady prism]

I have Sprint Efficiency and Stamina regen to make me move as quick as possible. I do the same thing on my Arbites

[torn gorge]

sprint efficiency does not increase your speed

just the rate at which your stamina depletes when sprinting

and you can already reach a neutral consumption with proper sprint sliding

stamina regen is generally the big one to go for

[steady prism]

No but it helps me hold the sprint for longer and results in less complaints.. Every public match I get at least 1 complainer about something.. Whether it be I am not moving fast enough or I am not doing more.. Even if I do delete every elite or specialist in sight

[tall torrent]

not on veteran

[hollow ibex]

Tbf sprint eff is good on vet

[steady prism]

And Arbites. Again to be fair I have people who expect you to move at Sonic speeds. I know I can't eliminate complaints but if I can at least reduce them, I am happy

[solar surge]

close damage stacks with melee right?

[torn gorge]

fair but would you actually get sprint efficiency as a choice? to me opportunity cost looks too high

[hollow ibex]

I think stam regen is much more useful on Arbites than sprint eff personally

[tall torrent]

yea

[tall torrent]

depends on what the condition is

[hollow ibex]

I’ve been running 3x sprint eff on vet for literally hundreds of hours

[tall torrent]

close quarters killzone? yes
dum dum? no

[solar surge]

thanks for the info.

I hate that this doesn't come into effect after you leave stealth.

The moment I stealth I have 5 seconds to engage which is why I stopped using it.

[tall torrent]

stealth is just paying 2 point tax to not play one of the best abilities in the game

[solar surge]

what voice of command?

[tall torrent]

yea

stealth usually is 2 extra point cost compared to VoC

[solar surge]

I feel like stealth should just have overwatch by default.

[torn gorge]

that would imply a much longer cd

[tall torrent]

nah, it need low profile and surprise attack baked in

surprise attack needs to have way better uptime too

[steady prism]

Oh is that a shotgun? You have to be hyper aggressive to make those work. I find Far weapons to be more consistent. Plus when I am playing Veteran or Arbites, I can't help but think of that of that epic 300 battle scene "This is where we hold them. this is where they die!"

[torn gorge]

low profile is borderline mandatory for what you are supposed to do with stealth

[hollow ibex]

I never take low profile

[torn gorge]

you are playing invis shade then

[hollow ibex]

I usually take the tdr node

But not always

[solar surge]

I prefer overwatch, having that extra stealth option, lets me get outta trouble quicker, and help downed teammates if I need to.

[hollow ibex]

I don’t take double charge

[solar surge]

I really want rending strikes with my commando build, but it takes 6 points just to get it.

borderline insane compared to other class trees.

[torn gorge]

best commando build is playing arbites

[steady prism]

That part is true. It is crazy to me at how powerful Arbites is in so few passive points. On my build I have the Rebreather passive which is 20% corruption resistance plus 75% reduced damage from tox gas. I am literally face tanking hordes solo in gas at higher difficulties

[hollow ibex]

Yeah playing Arbites really highlights how bad vets tree is

[tall torrent]

what's rending strikes for

[solar surge]

weapon specialist doesn't seem worth it anymore, idk when they nerfed it but I remember it increasing damage.

[steady prism]

Indeed. It is yet another reason I support the Specialty idea requested in forums. It is more than just to bring the Veteran back up to the strength it should be. It is also because it is passive tree is a mess.. And not as strong as some other passives out there. I am honestly surprised that Veteran didn't get Rebreather passive like the Arbites did.. Considering in Warhammer 40K Lore, the Rebreather is Astra Militarum standard issue

[solar surge]

? Thought it helped with piercing armor.

Just something useful to have, I always thought.

though it ain't worth sacrificing 6 points just to get to it imo.

[tall torrent]

yea but like
what weapons are u using that need it

[tall torrent]

this is also kinda weird, normally should be 2 points away

[lapis osprey]

Quote of the day-

The real havoc challenge is to make it thru an entire game without your entire team disconnecting to error 2014

[solar surge]

pretty much 6. but yeah, should be 2 points.

[hollow ibex]

It’s still very good, just need specific ranged weapons

[tall torrent]

why no iron will 💀

[solar surge]

not able to split the points up to get it.

[tall torrent]

what does ur tree even look like

I'm curious

[steady prism]

And that is why I don't play Havoc anymore. The 2014 and 4001 error codes have been after me since I got Darktide on release.. I am so tired of it

[solar surge]

Shrug Not something I want to be judged about. I probably should switch it up and go for the middle tree instead of ranged specialist, but what ever.

[tall torrent]

u can send in dm I'm not gonna judge

[hollow ibex]

Let’s just say a good portion of the middle tree is mandatory

Iron will, demo stockpile, tactical awareness

[mighty anvil]

the arbites skill tree makes vet look like poopy

[hollow ibex]

And honestly demo team as well

[steady prism]

You won't get judged unless you do a "meme build" like mine. I know in the past when I did post it, people laughed. I am always like laugh all you want the fact is I hold the highest elite and specialist kills on average per match

[hollow ibex]

Vet tree is actually so ass lol

[void dragon]

I hate how true this man speaks...- sincerely, a stealth/Exe stance Veteran

[steady prism]

Agreed. This is me when I try to play Veteran in a group of Arbites.. I am that guy in the back making sure what they bonked to the side is actually dead

[void dragon]

Humble job of the TF2 dispenser class, provide the Judges some ammo

[steady prism]

Ahaha that too

[tame lodge]

😭

[tame lodge]

Because

Impact dclaw is a meme

And not a good one

[iron marten]

had the mistake of using dclaw in auric and had 3 arbites on my team

Actually felt bad cause they were carrying my ass

[tame lodge]

Know what I'm doing

Plasma

I help Arby's get their marked stacks by killing the target they marked

Regardless of distance

Plasma is just a different flavor of dog

[neon current]

I fuckin love the mk8, don't need onetaps with a dog

the sound design on all arbi weapons is just mmm

[torn gorge]

both mk8 and shotpistol feels good to use/shoot

[neon current]

very

and the sound has a lot do with

[torn gorge]

mk3 is a bit of a mix bag imo

[neon current]

they just feel meaty

[sullen jackal]

there's a new class? I thought there was jsut an updated veteran, given that they have one of veteran's keystones :p

[neon current]

that no one in their right mind would ever use

tbh, kinda two

EO is like a better exe stance

@tall torrent what perks for arbi bistol?

[tall torrent]

unarmored + maniac

[neon current]

puncture + whatever?

does lethal prox work on dog zap?

nvm, if puncture does, lethal shouldn't

[tall torrent]

puncture + lethal prox if u don't run shock mine

if u do, run&gun

[neon current]

cheers

[serene bough]

this is new

when was this added

[tame lodge]

In the code for a while

So more than 2 days ago

(it was made available 2 days ago)

Same thing for inferno

[last pewter]

damn if I get Long Bomb I'd get For the Emperor 3 for my Vet

[iron marten]

Do it, you won't

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost Nurgle's rot VT2 just dropped

[narrow frost]

yeah

it fucking sucks

[faint beacon]

Wdym it sucks LMAO

[narrow frost]

only 600 enemies in 14 mintues

[faint beacon]

how bad is it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[narrow frost]

the CDR and corruption doesnt work

so half the modifiers dont do anything

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1281417707857903748/1386810667629150409/image.png?ex=685f0414&is=685db294&hm=54af28166cf552060b6484c6f0995a58278dd65442fcd25d099012ff52ccff3a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=330

[faint beacon]

That is actually awesome

worlds most free havoc unlock

weeps

[narrow frost]

yes

and A.S.S title

which never meant anything

[iron marten]

Wait this is also in havoc 3.0???

Bruh

[narrow frost]

yes

[iron marten]

Guess that ogryn node is useful for something if it worked

And arbites node

[rare garden]

honestly does anything in the game mean anything

[narrow frost]

nope

[rare garden]

agreed

[faint beacon]

not really no

[iron marten]

poxbreaker to show that you put too much time in the game

[faint beacon]

just means "oh more of this" like- you can very easily adapt to it

[iron marten]

Reject is the best title anyway

Too bad you can't put it on Arbites

[serene bough]

pretty bad

was very boring

[unreal nova]

They both do and is as strong as you think. Kills everything hit by it except bosses, oggies and muties.

Auric anyway.

Maulers take awhile to die though, But they will die with no extra touch.

[ionic hull]

did the plasma get nerfed this patch or is it still being looked at? i dont see it on the arbites patch notes so im assuming not

[unreal nova]

Not yet.

[ionic hull]

ok that makes sense on why i cant find it lol

[iron marten]

Yeah that was just an accidental leak

[tame lodge]

Next update™

Soon™

[ionic hull]

makes sense

[neon current]

see you in 3 months

[ionic hull]

pretty much yea lmao

[tribal tangle]

I don't even see that many plasmas in auric tbh

maybe a handful the last few months

[faint beacon]

Some people playing higher difficulties

should not be playing them

[true kraken]

I've been going through leveling all my weapon masteries and it's time for the shovel but I don't know anything about it- what's like the proper way/version to use on this?

[unreal nova]

So back to same old?

[tame lodge]

Nothing ever happens

[faint beacon]

malice level players are managing to creep into Auric

get near burster, it immediately gets shot by them before they get swarmed by a horde and go down

[unreal nova]

Probs old chars.

Cos even my psyker got granfathered in... And I played barely any aurics on her.

[ancient path]

almost there.

this is way too many wins

[faint beacon]

I have been stuck on this one cause people keep saving me

instead of letting my dog do it

[ancient path]

did you let em know in the chat

[unreal nova]

I did that one on low diff. A dog spawned and I just afked.

[hollow ibex]

do you remember how many games it has been for you?

[unreal nova]

10 in a row.

[ancient path]

a lot

lol

has to be more than ten in a row

[unreal nova]

Losses kick you back a win basically.

[ancient path]

or maybe im just fatigued

[unreal nova]

Perhaps. It was 10 for me.

[hollow ibex]

damn that sucks

that's at least 3 hours

[unreal nova]

Why, I understand this new system sucks for both old and new players.

Old players find it boring and is speedrunning easier diffs to get it done faster.

New players are left confused and basically left to die alone because multiple speedrunners every game.

[ancient path]

i be sure to help all the lil uns on the way

no one left behind

[unreal nova]

And I know, Uprising and malice is like no enemies to the avg auric enjoyer... But to someone with no real experience... Heh.

[tall torrent]

I can help u

[faint beacon]

I literally just finished it lmao

Gotta do Impacts and Nuncio's and I should nearly be done cause the rest are literally just

play the game and passively get it

[steady prism]

Not just new players.. Also the people doing their penances. There has been multiple times I have been left to die because I was holding a horde trying to do my penances. Little do these oblivious people realize.. Arbites or Veteran.. I can survive on both. When they wonder where I am 5 minutes later, those clueless a-holes finally figure it out

[unreal nova]

That's on you though. Doing penances with randoms means just moving when others are. Unless they agreed to help, they are on no inclination to stay and wait for you.

Not everyone wants to spend 2 hours on say, mercantile for someone to grind out penances.

[steady prism]

And that right there is exactly the problem.. that kind of mentallity. Yes you are not obligated to but the fact is, if you want to speed run a match then you do so with a composition. Not random que. When you random que, you have to expect that not everyone will keep up. Or they have other objectives

Lol 2 hours? It can be done in 30 minutes or less. However people are not patient enough because they want it done in 10 minutes.. Taking movement speed nodes and things to have it done

[unreal nova]

Depends on the penance. Some try to do a few at once. Some require specific situations more annoying to come by. Time doesn't matter though. As said, game is about moving to the next point and doing things. They are just playing the game as it's made.

If objectives are done and they move along, it's more on you staying behind to farm than it's them trying to progress the mission.

It's better to LFG to find like minded people if you just want to grind kills.

[steady prism]

Ah yes the classic blame the other player. One of the old hits. There is a fine line between moving from one objective to the other, and having unrealistic expectations. 10 minute completion is not possible from what I know. 20-30 minutes is typical of a random que. If it take more than 30 minutes then absolutely something was done wrong

[unreal nova]

10 mins is on certain maps. Train can be done in 6.

[steady prism]

Other than train obviously is what I am speaking to.. That is where you see the hordes in numbers

[normal sparrow]

Ironic that you complain about speedrun yet demand ppl wait for your penance
Its called random for a reason, expect nothing

[steady prism]

I never did demand it lol. I just made a comment about being left behind that is all. As I said I can survive it but it doesnt take away from the point that its an unrealistic expectation. I am not saying have the patience of a saint but certainly.. A few minutes extra cant hurt you

[unreal nova]

Why I suggested LFG for like minded ppl instead. Pubs atm just want missions to end faster to unlock next diff. If it's aurics, staying too long just drains resources.

[steady prism]

So then you are saying that by this logic, new players should LFG too because they need to clearly relay that they will not be able to keep up

[normal sparrow]

Expect nothing, if they lagged behind thats on them, if they way ahead thats on them
Im here to play, not follow some rules someone conjure out of their head

[steady prism]

The only person conjuring anything is you Bone. you are not understanding what I am saying

[normal sparrow]

Im not the one saying no speedrun or muh penance

[unreal nova]

Or they can just play uprising more. At some point, all the old players will be done with the forced uprising/malice/heresy games. Is why the first thing I tell new players is, play a difficulty until you are comfortable enough to not go down more than once before trying harder.

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

Or they'll find out after 24 deaths.

[normal sparrow]

A moment of clarity in the eye of the storm

[unreal nova]

Not a speedrun heresy. I play very slow btw. They just kept dying so I basically had to solo for most part.

They might continue but well, not everyone will tryhard to keep a win streak like that.

[steady prism]

I never said no speed run lol. I said its annoying of people to do it in such a way they are oblivious to everything and have unrealistic expecations in the completion time. As I pointed out earlier, 3 ragers in one of matches back stabbed them. a rager is one of the most obvious things to be aware of, Bone.. I am not certain how much clearer I can make this for you

That is fine advice but also.. This not a Korean MMO where everything has to be done to a dot.. This is an online co op. Yes it can be tiring to deal with certain things or behaviors. I recognize this when I do make comments about it. However.. These are things you endure in more casual online games.. And to expect any different is silly.. Unless its a Korean MMO

[unreal nova]

Why I don't expect anything of ppl. I just expect them to be slightly better than the awful bots.

[normal sparrow]

The last time someone says rager in 5h ago, you high?
Enjoy your coping mechanism, im out

[unreal nova]

Because honestly if you are somehow worse than them... you really shouldn't even be on malice.

[steady prism]

Bone you are the one coping. I am explaining things multiple ways but you are not listening nor wanting to try

[normal sparrow]

P.s. im fine running solo hi stg

[hasty pasture]

I love the Veteran rework (arbites lone wolf)

[unreal nova]

I'm not, though playing at 300 ping makes every trapper a nightmare.

[steady prism]

And as for wanting people to be better than bots that is fine but.. My point was that for people to have an unrealistic 10 minute completion time (outside of train) is an issue because the people who do it (from what I have seen).. They are so focused on it, they are oblivious to everything else.. It takes them 5 minutes to even know I was behind them.. Even if I am standing right behin them

[normal sparrow]

Soloplay ofc
0 ping 0 issue

[manic vigil]

is telekine shield a "combat ability" for the sake of "Warp siphon"? trying to get the penance for 4 warp charges at 120s

[unreal nova]

I rather smug the times I clutched 300 ping games on damnation. Because.

[unreal nova]

Even when I get left behind due to double shield builds, I slowly murder my way to the next point. Problem of going all into impact for funni. But really, if you are playing lower diffs and hate speedrunners, I blame FS for making it worse. The mission to pass to unlock should be less the more chars with the difficulty already unlocked. If it's auric, you are expected to be able to play well and either stick or can catch up.

[normal sparrow]

Nobody knows ypure playing on 300 ping, this isnt vt2

[unreal nova]

Sadly, but ppl who actually play with me do. They compensate for my hate for trappers.

And crushers when I'm not playing a high impact char who can bully the heck out of them.

[steady prism]

That is the problem though.. Lower difficulty is considered Heresy because that is the lowest you can go for some penances. I know a portion of the Arbites has Heresy requirements in their penances. I did Veteran so long ago that I am not certain if they did or did not. Yes absolutely.. If you play at Heresy or even Auric there is a certain skill level expected of you

I would like to think I have that because I am mindful of all of this and I do constantly check where the team mates are in the event one falls behind or something. I have been doing it more so with all the new Arbites lately

[unreal nova]

Because they would be too easy on lower diffs. You are expected to be able to play better when trying for them tbh.

Unless you ask someone to outright help with them.

Which goes back to LFG more or less.

[steady prism]

Yes but expected in random ques. It is the same with any online game.. people are not the best at communicating. Or they again have unrealistic expectations and want everyone to follow that. That is all I am saying. And perhaps Fatshark doesnt help with this by giving movement speed to certain classes. Or more than other classes. I have to double check but I am fairly certain Arbites has no movement speed passives. I know Veteran does

[unreal nova]

They have it on stance but removes sprinting or the DD like node when doggos pounce on things so near perma +10%.

There's also that node where if you slide, you gain bonus sprint speed.

I don't remember too much so just those for now.

And they have psyker like stam delay.

[steady prism]

Ah. Veteran has a 5% at all times node. That much I know. Well perhaps Fatshark will work on this at a later time. Arbites did power creep things in certain areas. So I am hoping the other classes will get another look by the Devs. Perhaps at that time the movement speed and or matches can be looked at again. Perhaps in some ways these higher movement speeds dont help with this unrealistic expectation I see

[unreal nova]

I just know speedrunning pubs just suck the fun for some, but randoms are randoms.

I get funni RPing oggies that apologise when they mess up or get happy when things go well... to the extremely toxic ppl who rage quit over things of their own fault.

I call pubbing gacha for a reason.

You have a high chance of bad players, mechanically or personality, low chance of decent players and even lower for good ones who will literally carry newbies who dun goof on joining harder games and the 0.001% chance to roll a god player who does the same as above but with meme builds.

Most ppl are selfish, and it's better to think they are and not expect much. Some are trained to higher diffs where leaving ppl who go down to die is better than trying to rescue and end up going down themselves.

[steady prism]

That we can agree on. For me its not a matter of the fun being sucked out, its just annoying with their attitude towards it all. There are other examples besides the Ragers and Snipers I can recall of. I remember an Ogryn purposely through a grenade to explode a barrel to force one of my team mates off the map because they were not doing what they wanted them to do. I never understood it as that person wasn't taking damage and holding their own in hordes. Sure they were moving a little slow but at least they were holding. Still no excuse for griefing

However I do recognize and see comments from others that they are having the fun sucked out by these people expecting the 10 minutes I mentioned. That kind of selfishness I would expect in a Korean MMO not a casual co op like this

First Descendant is one example I can think of. People expected you to have not only certain gear but also, a certain gear score numbers before doing anything.. Or for that matter helping with a carry

[unreal nova]

This game can be casual on lower diffs, but FS did force Havoc players to go through like 40 missions of boredom to get auric. Most of them expect only the best, unless you got the top 0.1% that really don't care and just help ppl freely.

The oggy thing is just an arsehole player tbh. There's slow but progressing and then there's slow and near AFKing. I know if ppl are slow, they either don't know the map nor know the best way through. Found out some vet took the unsafe route in smelter and proceeded to die doing so as everyone else took the usual havoc route. I just stuck to them for the rest of the run since too slow to go help otherwise.

[solar surge]

I legit went on malice, walked off on my own, and told my dog to attack other elites until a random hound pounced me.

[steady prism]

Or perhaps forgot. I havent played Havoc in quite some time so I already forgot those routes.. I stopped playing at the very high difficulties once I detected the error 2014 and 4001 were increasing in frequency

[solar surge]

Did they ever sell the boltgun in yellow? I swear to god the commissary needs to get busy.

Give me my lemon colored boltgun!

[unreal nova]

Honestly, at this point, it getting updated is like winning the country lottery first place.

[solar surge]

Do an entire match where you only shoot the bolt pistol like this.

[unreal nova]

Rejected. If I shoot my bistol on Zealot or Arbites, it means I'm clutching or soloing already.

[grand perch]

only with hive gangster outfit

[heavy gorge]

I just started the game ( I am a level 3 vet) does the combat knife suck or am I using it wrong? It feels worse than the shovel or the axe I currently have available.

[queen sky]

everything will suck fat doink until you're about level 25

that's when builds start to synergise

[heavy gorge]

does that go for all classes? Is it like drg where I need like promotions for the game to get good

[queen sky]

i mean, you don't need promotions for the game to get good in DRG

but generally yes you will feel ineffective in Darktide until you are almost fully levelled

you need higher stats on your weapons and you need certain talents deep in the tree to start mulching heretics like a lawnmower

[heavy gorge]

well yea but a HUGE component of the game is behind that gate

[queen sky]

just the overclocks

[unreal nova]

Knoife is like one of best that isn't outright Dueling Sword.

[queen sky]

which are powerful, but not the be-all end-all

[unreal nova]

Problem, you need a minmaxxed knoife.

[heavy gorge]

hmm

okay cool

I will play the game tomorrow when it is not 2am 👍

thanks

[queen sky]

no prob

it's one of the things Darktide fumbles

the levelling process is really rough because your toolkit is terrible

the fastest way is to get carried if you have friends who are level 30 and can help you speedrun high-difficulty missions

[heavy gorge]

as long as it doesn't take insanely long I'll probably do it, do you think the in-game time to level up is comparable to drg?

[queen sky]

yup

[heavy gorge]

awesome

[queen sky]

the good news is once you're 30 that's it, grind over

no promotions like DRG

[heavy gorge]

isn't that also bad news

[queen sky]

do the current Inferno event if you can for a fat payout

[heavy gorge]

once you're done leveling up do you just switch to another class or is there other stuff to do

[iron marten]

Trust me, the build variety and overall fun in the game is at its best at level 30

< have 1.6k hours in the game

[grand perch]

except havoc ofc

[iron marten]

Not to mention masteries for weapons and penances

[grand perch]

and crafting mats

and penances

[queen sky]

lol no build variety in this game is great

[heavy gorge]

yeah okay

[queen sky]

with the caveat that build variety is nonexistent in overtuned stuff like Auric and Havoc

[heavy gorge]

maybe it's my little gen z brain but without working to some kind of goal games aren't as fun for me

(the only exception to this is payday 2)

but maybe Darktide can also be an exception

[queen sky]

idk what to tell you then

[iron marten]

Nah, Auric is also fine for build variety. Though I kinda do agree with the Havoc caveat

Vet gets particularly shafted

[warm schooner]

pretty sure you can make a variety of things work in Havoc

[iron marten]

Yeah, at that point it's just my own skill issue lol

[warm schooner]

it's just a question of execution since Vet doesn't leave a lot of opportunities to make mistakes

[steep flower]

If you’re skillful & aware you can that is

[iron marten]

Only got to rank 40 once in havoc 1.0 and said that's it for me

And went back to auric lol

[steep flower]

Meanwhile i play H40 for fun and only that

[warm schooner]

yeah havoc 1.0 was a solved problem more or less, 2-3.0 requires more flexibility in decision making

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

Its fun

[iron marten]

Yeah fair

I used to be a malice player for a while so what do I know lmao

[grand perch]

i hate the grind back up to 40

just let me have fun with the hardest stuff again

[steep flower]

Everyone was

[iron marten]

That + Party Finder is kind of awful

[lusty jewel]

Are any of veteran's keystones really worth taking?

I keep feeling like my points are better spent on other areas of the tree

[grand perch]

[hollow ibex]

FT is generally good, WS is very good, but requires the right weapons

[median veldt]

Gotta say this feels like it was one of the hardest ones in game to get.

[lusty jewel]

Generally I use helbore and shovel for my krieg cosplay but have been branching out to the recon and infantry lasguns

Not a fan of the autoguns at all

I used FT for a long while but sometimes it feels like it doesn't really do enough to warrant giving up some of the other perks I've taken instead of it

[hollow ibex]

well it'll give you a 20% damage boost against priority targets, a 7.5% constant damage boost for you and your entire team, and easy toughness/stam regen for 3 points

it's generally a good take

esp since every vet build requires that you go deep into center bottom of the tree

[queen sky]

Focus Target claps serious cheekies

the stamina and toughness regen is great

[open ravine]

Honestly not having dog is a nerf because dog is so bloody strong and if you give him shock pulse you get a regen grenade anyways

[open ravine]

Weapon specialist if you want a versatile build

[steep flower]

I just got it eventually

[queen sky]

Focus Target also makes it that much easier to snipe special enemies

the yellow-on-black contrast is way better than red-on-black

much, much easier to align your crosshairs with their head while fifty bajillion poxwalkers are trying to get your attention

[lusty jewel]

Alright I might pick it back up then

[queen sky]

if you pick up FT, all three subnodes are basically mandatory

people will complain about the 8-stack node but it's an extra 60% stamina and toughness regen

[hollow ibex]

8 stacks is shit if you're playing FT as intended (tagging frequently)

[queen sky]

you don't pick up FT for the extra vuln stacks applied to enemies

it's a nice cherry on top but you are getting it for the buffs you apply to teammates in coherency

[hollow ibex]

you mean

the whopping 4.5% bonus damage?

because that's effectively what 8 stacks is

[queen sky]

and the extra 15% stamina and toughness regen, yes

[hollow ibex]

not applicable

because you're playing it as intended, i.e. tagging frequently

so you're not even getting the benefit of the extra 3 stacks

[queen sky]

re-applying any number of buff stacks to teammates refreshes their existing stacks

if you are frequently tagging and killing, you are constantly building to and then refreshing max stacks

with the 8-stack node, you can maintain 8-stacks for as long as you have enemies to ping and kill

[hollow ibex]

not for target down purposes

[hollow ibex]

this only applies to redirect fire

and like i said, you only get 4.5% bonus damage from 8 stacks for redirect fire

[steep flower]

Nah; the 8 stack one might seem good on paper but it ain’t in practice - you won’t have enough time in the heat of battle to get from 0 to 8 to benefit from extra 3 stacks beyond the standard 5

Since you should be utilizing FT to the maximum cause its a debuff

[queen sky]

huh! so it does, i thought from the perk description you'd get the benefit from stacks you have, not incoming stacks. duly noted

i just checked in the meat grinder and you only get the full +40% stamina recovery when you have applied 8 stacks

less stacks on an enemy recovers less stacks as expected

[steep flower]

And thus spamming sometimes the tag vs specials is nice cause you keep getting benefits

And debuffing the enemy for faster kill

[queen sky]

yeah you always want to spam the tag, i understand that

[steep flower]

Also if you tag an enemy and then tag it again you won’t override for example 5 stacks with 2; that works only the other way around

[queen sky]

yep

[lusty jewel]

Gotcha gotcha... Alright so I put on FT with everything but the 8 stack then

[grand perch]

Hard disagree

I pick one, occasionally two. Never 8 stack node

[steep flower]

I mean you don’t need to; i personally just use the keystone itself - all depends on your build tho

[lusty jewel]

I just aim for a general build that works good for most things I guess iunno

[steep flower]

Me 2

[lusty jewel]

MOST of the time I use Helbore with Shovel

Cuz I luv Death Korps and have minis of them I've painted

Playing Death Korps in a warhammer mod of Men at War with friends is what kinda got me into 40k in the first place

I've just recently started to branch my veteran out into other weapons like recon las and infantry las

I don't like using the autoguns they just feel like too much of normal guns for 40k to me

Kinda same for the stub revolver

[tacit sonnet]

Agripinaa slug cleaves through multiple enemies. Does full bore work on all enemies hit or only on the first one?

[tall torrent]

only if the ranged attack hits 1 and only 1 enemy

cleaving through 1 to hit another will not activate full bore

[lusty jewel]

Why’s the boar always so full anyway?

I’m hilarious c:

[willow tendon]

reddit gold

[tacit sonnet]

If I hit 2 enemies with 1 slug full bore will not do anything?

That sucks

@noble canyon

[tall torrent]

ya

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/arcoiris-felicidad-mundofeliz-gif-25768641

The world if FS did better on combat shotguns

[noble canyon]

Source your claims. According to Psykanium tests, if I nail 3 Poxwalkers in a row with 1 slug I get the Full Bore proc.

[noble canyon]

Here's a clip of me demoing Full Bore/Manstopper interaction in Psykhanium. Note the Full Bore buff appearing on ranged multikills.

[tall torrent]

lemme go check

[sudden cedar]

Some bit of custom UI to show ammo count?

[tall torrent]

ok yea they fixed it

not sure when they fixed it

cuz originally it wasn't able to proc if attack cleaved to hit smth else

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist is probably his best keystone for him especially with the knife, dbarrel, tac axe, and combat axe

[tacit sonnet]

All keystones are not bad, the problem is if there's something better

Or if you even wanna path there

[noble canyon]

FS coders actually doing something right for once, awesome.

[noble canyon]

That's Ring HUD. Stumbled upon it like 3 days ago, wasn't expecting it to be this good.

[undone jungle]

Hoiii can you dump collat on autopistol?

I wanna mainly use it on my zealot but I don't trust #zealot-class with any build advice 90% of the time

[narrow frost]

Lol

Well yes 60-80 collat doesn't change major stagger breakpoint (2 bullets for ragers) shredder is meant to be used for stagger and maniac damage

Up to you

Both work

Mobility or collat dump

[undone jungle]

That's good to hear since I'll prefer 80% mob just for the marginal sprint speed since it'll be a mobility took for PGS builds

after all on Havoc I'm forced to run flamethrower anyway so might as well have fun on Auric/below :P

[narrow frost]

Forced?

[undone jungle]

well that or I run reconlas or laspis. bistol is alright but on high havoc zealot it tends to require 2 shots to kill anything relevant </3

[narrow frost]

Bolt pistol is a great sidearm for instant aoe stagger, something like relic blade likes

But I understand

I would recommend combat shotgun

Try it out

[undone jungle]

oh I know

it's just I have every class maxed out and geared to the tits, so at that point I'd rather just run another class </3

[narrow frost]

Fair enough

[steep flower]

MMF

[steep flower]

Mobility all the way

[steep flower]

Who forces you to run flamer? I honestly never had an encounter when someone asked to bring a flamer on zel

[undone jungle]

I kinda do. I'd rather run flamer on high havoc that's all

[grand perch]

That's my jam

[steep flower]

And the jam is soursweet in taste

[grand perch]

It really really is

I've tried vigilant autoguns on arbites for comparison however. It's just not the same

Mmf does so much for vigi. Too bad for them helbore is superior in basically every way now

[steep flower]

But you can’t use helly on arbi tho so vigi it is

[open ravine]

when is a good time to find public havoc teams for people wanting to just try it out

[pseudo fiber]

Weekends

But also Monday

[open ravine]

so wait for later today

That's cool will go play some rogue trader then

[rocky jacinth]

where hellgun

[topaz lance]

recon las

[rocky jacinth]

not hellgun

[grand perch]

Vet has many other issues, don't expect a hellgun any time soon

[rocky jacinth]

issues that would be solved by hellgun

[grand perch]

...no

[rocky jacinth]

yes

[sudden cedar]

No.

[rocky jacinth]

vet chat used to be cool

[queen sky]

zarona

unfortunately we probably won't get a hellgun anytime soon because it would just be an infantry lasgun with a 600-round mag that hits like a plasma gun

[rocky jacinth]

well, yeah

that's what I'm saying

[tall torrent]

vet needs WAY better toughness gain

like steady grip pro or smth

[pseudo fiber]

We got uhh 5% more toughness on melee kill is that good

[queen sky]

vet gets crazy toughness gain from ganking special enemies what are you smoking

[tall torrent]

nowhere near zealot, arbites and ogryn

cannot sustain toughness well vs ranged elites

[rocky jacinth]

Vet needs to be high skill/high reward and benefit from headclicking, it's not quite the gun class it sells itself as.

[queen sky]

hm, it feels like that to me

at least built for a FT/zarona headclicker

designed to mark, kill, and convert special enemies (including crushers) into buffs and regen

[tall torrent]

something is very seriously wrong when the best strategy to kill large gunner groups as a veteran is to walk up to them and melee them

[queen sky]

i mean, yeah, ranged enemies suck at melee?

[rocky jacinth]

shout spam vastly overshadows everything else and you're kind of wasting your time in h40 if you're not running a high damage gun

[queen sky]

that's how any class kills gunners, you rush them as fast as possible with your sword and take them to pieces when they scatter like scared chickens

but Veteran has the distinction of being able to put serious crit rates behind a Zarona, which lets them delete the gunners from cover

[rocky jacinth]

there's no big reward for being really good at shooting because playing something with a really high skill cap like autogun Exe MF is complete dog ass in practice

[tall torrent]

the problem is that when u can't do that, the ranged sustain for veteran sucks

even tho vet has a way better sniping gun than ogryn

[rocky jacinth]

and vet ends up playing very basic with you throwing your talent tree at the enemy while shooting logs from your plasma gun or bolter

[queen sky]

what do you mean by "ranged sustain" exactly

[tall torrent]

ability to maintain toughness in ranged combat

[queen sky]

yeah that's FT and a zarona

[rocky jacinth]

exhilarating takedown MF lasgun with ghost

[tall torrent]

helbore post-buff essentially replaces plasma for havoc

[tall torrent]

running revolver without WS is pretty insane

[rocky jacinth]

you're literally untouchable by ranged enemies even if you miss a shot like a doofus you can tank gunners

but it sucks

[queen sky]

why would i need WS for zarona

you put crit buffs and Hand Cannon behind it, it will 1-2 tap a Crusher

[rocky jacinth]

shooting logs from your helbore then

they also gave it giant bullets

[grand perch]

Imagine if the class specific ability to peek over cover to shoot actually made you a harder target and take less ranged damage

[tall torrent]

except u can't tank any ranged gunfire cuz no ghost

[queen sky]

yeah the zarona does this anyway

it's a headshot pocket sniper

it deletes things you point it at

[normal bay]

It's for your melee as well

[queen sky]

what difficulty are you needing this for

[pseudo fiber]

Was this recorded in fatsharks office how is the weapon swap so fast

[normal bay]

And you don't have to sit there waiting for surgical to crit

[tall torrent]

This is how I normally play 💀

[tall torrent]

And WS is what enables it to be the best it can be

U don’t need ranged anti-carapace in the first place

[pseudo fiber]

I meant more the server would delete my bullets

[tall torrent]

I’m on wifi all the time too

[pseudo fiber]

Damn you're goated then

[queen sky]

what difficulty are you needing this for

[tall torrent]

What difficulty did u think that was

[queen sky]

i have no idea i don't have magic difficulty-sensing eyeballs

[pseudo fiber]

Path is a sedation gamer

[tall torrent]

I have no idea why you’d need to run a revolver to kill crushers

[pseudo fiber]

Well known factiod

[tall torrent]

Wait were you the person who exclusively runs a chainsword for light spam

Cuz if so, fair to using ranged for anti-carapace

[normal bay]

If you want to use a revolver against crushers, use exe stance for the one taps

[queen sky]

yup

i also light spam on ogryn and zealot

you don't actually need the combo mechanics if you understand what you're doing

thus, zarona

[grand perch]

Blessed is a mind too small for doubt complexity

[queen sky]

if i wanted to play weapon timing combos I'd be playing dark souls

this is a horde shooter, so i'm gonna shoot some hordes

[open ravine]

hellguns aren't all like that. They are a class of anti armor las weaponry and the one people want is the hellgun volley gun which is basically a las stubber