infiltrate is...problematic in h40 what with the increased pressure on the team. you gotta be an outstanding player to get enough value from infiltrate to even sort of balance the lack of 1 VoC
#veteran-class
candid agate
infiltrate is...problematic in h40 what with the increased pressure on the team....
bring an extra veteran with voc 
bleak oasis
All roads lead to shoutbox
tall torrent
exe is same point cost as VoC (u don't need any subnode for it) but it's not that great atm
does scale super well for boltgun
infiltrate is paying 2 points to not play VoC
bleak oasis
I'm just going to have to consign my exec build to never leaving damnation and calling it a day.
faint beacon
Thats the reason why EStance can kinda fly under the radar but obviously its not better than VOC
its not as taxing
grand perch
I'm just going to have to consign my exec build to never leaving damnation and c...
nah if you wanna play exec, become good enough to make it worthwhile
faint beacon
Auric/Havoc EStance goes hard
tall torrent
also @faint beacon brahms
bleak oasis
Feels like it only ever gets value when the AI director spawns a shitload of ranged specialists to constantly feed exec stance, and only on the assumption that they aren't all actively shooting at you, and without anyone running up behind you to distract
faint beacon
also <@820414945543716944> brahms
reminding me I have to play Mortis Trials for the lore later
tall torrent
reminding me I have to play Mortis Trials for the lore later
it's pretty great for arbites' penances
bleak oasis
Haven't touched Mortis yet. Is it possible to solo?
Or do you have to actually get a party for it
tall torrent
Or do you have to actually get a party for it
team mode
bleak oasis
Oh god
grand perch
ah shit i got disarmed
normal bay
Or do you have to actually get a party for it
Just join the randoms and hope they don't all get netted right before the DH spawns 
grand perch
hold on a minute
like, it shows the vest in the middle window, but on the left you can see its a different armor
normal bay
I've seen a lot of cosmetics with disappearing limbs since the patch lol
grand perch
instead of the bandana it shows the krieg gas mask for some reason
tame lodge
Haven't touched Mortis yet. Is it possible to solo?
You can try "solo" with the bots
But afaik
Bots don't scale well on Mortis
And they hog all medicae
1 dclaw bot vet
Versus
A Mauler with 7k hp
normal bay
A Mauler with 7k hp
Wut
Enemies have hp scaling on Morits? That would explain a lot...
grand perch
5th worse would be...the best
formal ice
Thats what ogryns says
unreal nova
Wut
Enemies have hp scaling on Morits? That would explain a lot...
Yeah, don't expect to solo higher than malice. Oggy can try harder but need 'nade luck.
Just too much hp to deal with alone.
willow siren
ah shit i got disarmed
The bodyguard ogryn was right, there are thieves about
willow siren
It is funny that female savant is the only one that asks
willow tendon
how do I take trench fighter drill for caxe with recon lasgun
turbid frigate
Did we get a kasyr skin yet?
placid portal
oh wow I just realised Sedition got removed
severe jolt
how do I take trench fighter drill for caxe with recon lasgun
Drop the keystone, it isn't *that * good
tall torrent
how do I take trench fighter drill for caxe with recon lasgun
Go WS
severe jolt
wdym
Weapon Specialist, the right hand side keystone. I guess you could also drop Rending Strikes to get it.
severe jolt
I maintain that you should go for a keystoneless build.
unreal nova
Keystoneless, or base keystone only and grabbing a point elsewhere.
FT recon melts, but is better to just hope other vet has it.
trim badger
How yall feel about becoming the 5th worse class
And that's considering plasma wasn't nerfed yet xddd
tall torrent
And that's considering plasma wasn't nerfed yet xddd
Vet got buffed
trim badger
Vet got buffed
Anything for him specific?
tall torrent
Anything for him specific?
Yea, helbore buff is huge
Helbore IIIa and IV are basically top 2 ranged now
trim badger
Just remembered
calm shard
I can't believe they actually made the devil's claw a real weapon
trim badger
Gonna bring those in havoc once I reach 40 again
formal ice
Helbore IIIa and IV are basically top 2 ranged now
In my last months I saw nobody use it
Very top ngl
tame lodge
Helbore IIIa and IV are basically top 2 ranged now
"Now" implies they weren't before
(totally not biased opinion on Helbore)
formal ice
Wait so this sword is actually good now?
tame lodge
formal ice
Good
tall torrent
"Now" implies they weren't before
Yea they weren’t
tame lodge
tall torrent
Wait so this sword is actually good now?
No lol flak ADM still abysmal
calm shard
Wait so this sword is actually good now?
still ass into flak, but it's like
usable now
formal ice
still ass into flak, but it's like
Gun
calm shard
not contender for worst melee weapon in the game anymore
formal ice
tame lodge
I can't believe they actually made the devil's claw a real weapon
Hold on hold on
Was that
calm shard
but still definitively low tier
calm shard
yeah
no
that's Mk VII
Mk I has an overhead after L3 now tho
and goes into L3 after parries
tame lodge
Oh ok
tall torrent
not contender for worst melee weapon in the game anymore
Still is
tame lodge
The move set reminded me of mk1
calm shard
Still is
I don't think chainsword is even in the same category as it when it comes to bad weapons anymore
chainsword is distinctly a tier below this
and this is not that great
calm shard
It should take 2 if both of your parries crit
which it's a devil's claw sword you're running shred
that's gonna happen
more than not at all
tall torrent
I don't think chainsword is even in the same category as it when it comes to bad...
Nah flak ADM is really what’s holding it back
Fight 20 Dreg bruisers forever
tame lodge
Then again you're waiting to get hit
calm shard
I mean yeah in game it'd be a fair bit harder to time parries because god knows if a trash mob is ognna decide to do a 2 frame jab into your face
tame lodge
Or if the rumbler is rumbling
calm shard
In a vacuum it's okay. In game it might be questionable due to the reliance on the parry for single target damage
I do still think this puts Devil's Claw in the same boat as most other low tiers like the shovels though
tame lodge
Mk1 moment
calm shard
That is being better than the Chainsword
gilded wraith
2nd blessing on helbore after surgical?
daring sage
shovel is fun vs hordes
tall torrent
2nd blessing on helbore after surgical?
Falter / hotshot / WoF
tame lodge
2nd blessing on helbore after surgical?
Which mark?
trim badger
Imagine if they added bleeding to chainsword by default
gilded wraith
Probably 4
trim badger
🤤
iron marten
Helbore4 defs weight of fire
gilded wraith
Is hotshot still flukey?
calm shard
Imagine if they added bleeding to chainsword by default
Yeah so when you take 10 hits to kill one dreg rager they'll take bleed damage from all your pathetic swings
gilded wraith
Any melee that shine with hotshot 1?
trim badger
Yeah so when you take 10 hits to kill one dreg rager they'll take bleed damage f...
So true!!!
tall torrent
Any melee that shine with hotshot 1?
Anything that wants extra cleave and can hit a lot of weakspots in one attack
gilded wraith
Thanks!
calm shard
God I am still astonished at how bad the Chainsword's damage is
gilded wraith
Wasn't sure if it would impact rashad with bm.
tame lodge
I know that Rashad sounds weird for this hotshot 1 combo
But basically let's you deal damage to 6 horde enemies
tall torrent
I think falter has highest consistent value overall for helbore
tame lodge
With at least 5 dying on the spot
tall torrent
Being able to stagger reaper out of their volley is pretty huge
gilded wraith
Have a preference between 3a and 4?
gilded wraith
I'll give it a shot.
tame lodge
Is the Mk4 bayonet able to stagger Ragers now?
tall torrent
IV is really good at chunking big targets and hits breakpoints way easier
However it’s also like, way slower for reactionary shooting so you basically lock urself into playing focus target / marksman’s focus
Whereas IIIa can sorta be played with WS if you want to melee a lot
gilded wraith
Thank you all for the advice. Wish they had a light extended weapon customization mod.
calm shard
IV is really good at chunking big targets and hits breakpoints way easier
Howeve...
god I love marksman's focus helbore 4
only playstyle I could ever need
gilded wraith
Just want my ilas sites.
gilded wraith
Definitely makes situational awareness easier.
tame lodge
I do like Vigi's sights
calm shard
Put that on everything pls
yeah I do this with weapon customization mod
that and Graia irons
hollow ibex
@unreal nova vet is fixed, rework delayed until 2030
hollow ibex
I do like Vigi's sights
unreal nova
<@229302123391614976> vet is fixed, rework delayed until 2030
I saw.
severe jolt
Best sight imo is laspistol
best sight in the entire game
just another reason why the laspistol is the SSS tier 11/10 best ranged weapon
unreal nova
Crashed when exec stance near a mastiff
Cos same thing, custom highlights for all.
I assume DD would be the same if it were shared.
And you just doggo the DD target.
normal bay
I was expecting that Focus target bug to stay for months
Who is this new dev team and what have they done with Fatshark?
tall torrent
Need them to fix mesh streaming bug for Linux and vostroyan skin for helbore
willow siren
I was expecting that Focus target bug to stay for months
Who is this new dev te...
They really want your money this time
tall torrent
Then I’m happy with the update
tame lodge
They really want your money this time
It's because Arby's couldn't play with vets
Not because of vet itself
unreal nova
I was expecting that Focus target bug to stay for months
Who is this new dev te...
I guess enough complains hit hard enough.
iron marten
Holding back on spending for the witch hunter vet and zealot cosmetics
tall torrent
Holding back on spending for the witch hunter vet and zealot cosmetics
Zealot’s set is easier to pair with other stuff
normal bay
I guess enough complains hit hard enough.
Who do I have to scream at to fix the Voidblast staff radius?
unreal nova
Holding back on spending for the witch hunter vet and zealot cosmetics
Commissar looking coat.
unreal nova
Who do I have to scream at to fix the Voidblast staff radius? <:KEKW_ogryn:10220...
When staff CTDs everyone on demand, I guess.
gilded wraith
Who do I have to scream at to fix the Voidblast staff radius? <:KEKW_ogryn:10220...
"Can't do stairs!" anguished cry.
normal bay
When staff CTDs everyone on demand, I guess.
If you're precise enough with the barrel explosion, you can have a similar effect 
gilded wraith
Start a rumor that it crashes arbites.
iron marten
Zealot’s set is easier to pair with other stuff
Appreciate the fashion advice, but I also dress up like this lol
tall torrent
Appreciate the fashion advice, but I also dress up like this lol
I already have sets I like for all 4 of my guys so I didn’t get any of the new ones
Got the new arbites set tho
Coat is nice
unreal nova
Coat is nice
Coat nice on vet as well.
gilded wraith
I need a good helbore skin, then I'm set.
unreal nova
Just ex.
iron marten
I only have the commissar and 2nd steel legion set for my vet
unreal nova
All ex.
iron marten
The bolter skin looks sick though
open ravine
Cannot lie the inquisitor drip goes hard
formal hamlet
The difficulty changes have me a bit confused.
I was playing like diff 3-4 before usually, was starting to dabble in diff 5.
Now diff 5 is diff 4?
tame lodge
Yeah
willow tendon
With at least 5 dying on the spot
how many does rashad take out by itself
tame lodge
They killed Sedition and Auric Heresy
So you have
Uprising, Malice, Heresy, Damnation, Auric
tame lodge
how many does rashad take out by itself
It stops there because 1.25-1.5 times 4 is higher than Rashad's 1.5 cleave
formal hamlet
No wonder Damnation felt easier this time, it's basically the old Heresy.
open ravine
I was playing like diff 3-4 before usually, was starting to dabble in diff 5.
I am not happy either but I understand because a big issue was players felt too separated and with this system players will be more united
unreal nova
They killed Sedition and Auric Heresy
Which annoys. I know many ppl who liked auric heresy.
formal hamlet
Old system confused me even more so I get it, but I was just starting to get the old one and it changed now lol.
tame lodge
4.
It stops there because 1.25-1.5 times 4 is higher than Rashad's 1.5 cleave
So with an 80% reduction
1.25 becomes 0.25
1.5 becomes 0.3
Now 0.25 times 6 is 1.5
So Rashad kills 4 targets due to BM
The 5th target takes second target damage, which should be enough to kill it
And the 6th target takes like 99% of their hp
willow tendon
Sorry understood none of that lol, I'll remember 4 and 6 though
tame lodge
🫡
formal hamlet
Do people already know which guns are going to be strongest on Arbiter, or have good builds figured out already, or will time simply tell?
halcyon parcel
Hi! Would the Chainaxe be a good substitute for the dueling sword regarding carapace enemies? The duelling sword is kinda boring lol
tame lodge
Do people already know which guns are going to be strongest on Arbiter, or have ...
Idk, which means that I have to tell you to ask #arbites-class
tame lodge
Hi! Would the Chainaxe be a good substitute for the dueling sword regarding cara...
Yes
halcyon parcel
Dope its so fuckin badass
tame lodge
You also have knife
And if you feel like hating your wrists
Tactical Axe
Although tac axe is eugh
halcyon parcel
yeah the clicking is what gets me
tame lodge
halcyon parcel
and not having a badass chainsaw
willow tendon
Although tac axe is eugh
you're the #1 taxe hater right
willow tendon
it is indeed how it works
tame lodge
Still have to test the recent buffs though
formal hamlet
Isn't knife the same wrist-wise since you're just clicking heads non-stop?
I could be using knife wrong.
formal hamlet
Ah okay, yeah I do that, but everything else I'm just spam clicking face until it dies.
tame lodge
Although
I gotta check the Mk4 taxe buff
The heavies should be better on that one
Finally
formal hamlet
Any classes got fire resistance or something for this flame event I could use?
Especially Veteran.
willow tendon
you could slap resistance onto curios 
formal hamlet
Oh yeah. 
normal bay
No wonder Damnation felt easier this time, it's basically the old Heresy.
No, Damnation is still Damnation. Same as it was before
formal hamlet
Oh, surprised I cleared Damnation with flame modifier on my poorly built Arbiter.
It felt pretty easy.
normal bay
Arbiter OP 
formal hamlet
Could be. 
The shotgun is pretty great.
Also the impact grenades that refresh every 60 seconds are pretty nutty.
I just toss them at a problem to solve it.
Horde, boss, ogryns, whatever.
My onlu complaint is, I've been grinding since yesterday when the class dropped and every single game has been 4x arbiter. 
normal bay
Lol, it'll settle in time
hollow ibex
impact nades are nice but honestly not as strong as i thought they'd be
stiff glacier
this frigen bug
crude wind
impact nades are nice but honestly not as strong as i thought they'd be
The idea was they shouldn't be stronger than shredders
Because they are spammier
hollow ibex
yeah makes sense
steep flower
impact nades are nice but honestly not as strong as i thought they'd be
Real question; can they stagger crusher/bulwark/mauler/boss?
hollow ibex
prob mauler, not sure about the rest
steep flower
prob mauler, not sure about the rest
Ok; can they open a bulwark?
hollow ibex
haven't tested
i was too busy doing the stupid level grind
and hadn't unlocked the upgraded version of the nade yet
tall torrent
Real question; can they stagger crusher/bulwark/mauler/boss?
Yes, all
tall torrent
Ok; can they open a bulwark?
Yes
hollow ibex
oof that's pretty nice
steep flower
tall torrent
I don’t think it’s op
60s regen
It’s not like veteran where u have demo team for extra regen
steep flower
Unlike frag
Still; stagger on demand 5 times on reliable regen
hollow ibex
seems balanced ig
steep flower
Ye; pretty op in my book
tall torrent
Still; stagger on demand 5 times on reliable regen
It’s good, wouldn’t call it op
Op would be shock mine
steep flower
Op would be shock mine
Yet to test it againts bigger crouds
tall torrent
It’s busted
hollow ibex
Op would be shock mine
i haven't even used it yet, utterly pointless at sedation
hollow ibex
it's so dumb how i have to spend 8 hours leveling up yet another character to 30
should give bonus xp or some shit if you already have other level 30 chars
steep flower
I like the mines
tall torrent
I like to call it; **Portable Localized Smite**
It’s kinda better than smite
Doesn’t take away ur dps
No peril mechanic going on
steep flower
No peril mechanic going on
Peril dosen’t matter on smite unless you charge and release at 100%
otherwise never overload
steep flower
Doesn’t take away ur dps
Does nice dps wdym
But personally; i want the mine arcs to be more… bombastic
Everytime i throw one i feel like i’m tossing one of those plasma balls
tall torrent
The lengthy deploy time is for balance
It’s still way too good
Impact nade is slightly better for specific scenarios
steep flower
The lengthy deploy time is for balance
You can play with it like it was nintendo
ancient path
has the accatran combat shotty always been a mini sniper when ADSing or is this a buff moment
steep flower
Just keep pressing left click
ancient path
alt fire on the accatran combat shotty still feels like "why would i use this" but the shotty kinda fucked in this match i was in
tall torrent
has the accatran combat shotty always been a mini sniper when ADSing or is this ...
It’s still mid at best
steep flower
alt fire on the accatran combat shotty still feels like "why would i use this" b...
Use the fire slug when you see a boss
true jackal
has the accatran combat shotty always been a mini sniper when ADSing or is this ...
accuracy wise? yes
ancient path
is this a breakpoint thing
steep flower
alt fire on the accatran combat shotty still feels like "why would i use this" b...
Shoot twice, swap to melee/shoot normal shells to the face
tall torrent
is this a breakpoint thing
Well
shotguns been inconsistent
This buff doesn’t address that inconsistency
The other 2 got bigger damage buffs that actually matter at least a little bit
ancient path
i see i see
i wanna try out the other shotties but i only have a zarona
and the mentioned accatran
tall torrent
U can switch marks
ancient path
still felt nice to use seeing vet is a forgotten about class and it isnt a recon las, bolt rifle, or plasma rifle
tall torrent
still felt nice to use seeing vet is a forgotten about class and it isnt a recon...
Best vet gun is helbore now
ancient path
one day fatshark will remember call of dooty class
ancient path
Best vet gun is helbore now
i dont have the brain for helbore
tame lodge
Best vet gun is helbore now
tall torrent
https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926...
I don’t think it’s IV tho
I think IIIa is overall best
IV is super restrictive
ancient path
aka i dont like charging
steep flower
one day fatshark will remember call of dooty class
Nah; takes a proper build & personal skill
ancient path
i just wanna blam
steep flower
I think IIIa is overall best
Hel ye it is
ancient path
Nah; takes a proper build & personal skill
theres only like two builds lol
and theyre all shout
steep flower
theres only like two builds lol
I have more
ancient path
nice!
steep flower
and theyre all shout
That is unfortunate
ancient path
now to see about the shock maul (my love) buffs
tame lodge
I think IIIa is overall best
Still a Helbore w
steep flower
But the same we can say about every class exept arbites cause new
tall torrent
Arbites is basically zealot but with build variety
ancient path
it seems cool. has a dog
but im poor for now so we're sticking with call of dooty ma'am
hollow ibex
I think IIIa is overall best
Is that the middle one?
quiet valley
The dog is hit or miss for me
ancient path
plus arbites has no gaelic voice so thats an immediate aura lost
tall torrent
Is that the middle one?
Yea
quiet valley
They need to fix the burster interactions tbh
tall torrent
They need to fix the burster interactions tbh
They just hotfixed
quiet valley
They just hotfixed
Nice! Had a dog Tk half the team on Havoc lmao
ancient path
if im rocking voice do i really need iron will
tame lodge
Nice! Had a dog Tk half the team on Havoc lmao
Such a good boy
tall torrent
if im rocking voice do i really need iron will
Yes, non-negotiable
ancient path
word
yes sir book writer sir
at least i think youre the one who wrote the vet book
heavy rover
I heard that the void shields for twins / lieutenant bosses are considered flak, is that true?
tall torrent
I heard that the void shields for twins / lieutenant bosses are considered flak,...
Untrue
narrow frost
Really?
tall torrent
Void shield is its own armor type (7th armor type)
heavy rover
Ah ok
tall torrent
And every attack has a void shield ADM
narrow frost
That makes sense
tall torrent
However this is usually not super relevant because scab contains and cult champions have really strict damage gate per hit
heavy rover
Even if you stack brittleness on them?
tall torrent
Yes, doesn’t matter
heavy rover
Oof
severe jolt
I heard that the void shields for twins / lieutenant bosses are considered flak,...
Scab captains are flak armor but the voidshield isn't
steep flower
It’s just a flat damage gate
How much?
tall torrent
The best way to deal with void shield is to max out on the damage gate then hit them really quickly
For example, chain weapons’ saw rip attacks
severe jolt
I have no idea what's actually best against the voidshield but I've noticed the shock maul's special attacks do a lot of damage against them.
quiet valley
Chaxe #1 cap killer
narrow frost
Taxe best bubble killer
steep flower
It scales based on difficulty
How much in h40 then?
tall torrent
How much in h40 then?
810
steep flower
Taxe best bubble killer
Surprisingly potent at that
tall torrent
Taxe best bubble killer
Nah
Not remotely as good as combat axe
Tac axe won’t even hit the damage gate
narrow frost
Not even with deci?
tall torrent
Best I think is eviscerator?
tall torrent
Specifically for cracking void shield
quiet valley
What about Vet 💀
tall torrent
Um… what about hp gate before new shield pops up?
Forgot
tall torrent
What about Vet 💀
Combat axe
Or
The slightly funnier pick
Helbore bayonet (stab)
quiet valley
really Rashad? Better than Chaxe lights?
I’ll have to test some stuff out later with it then
heavy rover
Another reason why helbore is S tier then
tall torrent
Chainaxe is rly fast
ancient path
This is bath
tall torrent
It has room for improvement
Substantial room for improvement, even
Shock maul’s special is also apparently pretty fast
Haven’t checked
But then again it’s shock maul
Not great outside of Arbites
So for like, actual picks, it’s mostly combat axe / helbore bayonet stab
quiet valley
Arby’s was doing great with shock maul when I ran it on Havoc for cap shields
tall torrent
Best arbites melee seems to be Rashad
Do with that information how u will
If u spec emperor’s fist + 25% impact u can open bulwark with heavy overhead on weakspot
(This stagger breakpoint is also available from zealot’s grievous wounds)
quiet valley
Arby’s can run pretty much anything and be unkillable
crisp oak
Best arbites melee seems to be Rashad
Fully expected that
tame lodge
Best I think is eviscerator?
Casual Evis w
crisp oak
Thunder hammer?
narrow frost
Rachad in normal board, crusher in havoc
true jackal
Thunder hammer?
bubble has a damage cap, thunder hammer goes way way past it it's pretty bad for bubble popping
crisp oak
bubble has a damage cap, thunder hammer goes way way past it it's pretty bad for...
Was thinking about twins bubble
narrow frost
Telling me....
crisp oak
near abyss
Doods, how's buffed Helbore?
faint beacon
rough cobalt
Dumpstat for plasma?
narrow frost
Dumpstat for plasma?
71-72 charge, 69-68 thermal
rough cobalt
damn, harder to get those stats than one with full dump...
grand perch
@tired egret
willow tendon
damn, harder to get those stats than one with full dump...
Odds are the same. But also... just get it straight away?
rough cobalt
what do you mean just get it straight away
RNG from brunts is random not like I can predicts the percenteges
willow tendon
with enough skill it's shrimple
rough cobalt
Bruh
near abyss
How's buffed Helbore?
rough cobalt
I don't have skills to influence the game mechanic yet
willow tendon
unlucky
willow tendon
How's buffed Helbore?
people say it's one of the best vet weapons now
near abyss
people say it's one of the best vet weapons now
Any talents, perks and blessings recommendation?
willow tendon
.
near abyss
Is Recon build still usable?
hollow ibex
Yeah I mean recon is still one of the best guns in the game lol
willow tendon
no changes to it so yeah
exotic bison
I guess i'll play some veteran
lets balance those lobbies with some non-arbites classes lol
Whats the new meta for veteran? Seems like most things work now (idk about Auric, i just play damnation)
rough cobalt
recon allways good I guess
near abyss
What is the dump stat for helbore?
heavy rover
I'd say stability
serene bough
how do people build taxe on vet
cobalt bay
where can I post this?
tame lodge
how do people build taxe on vet
They throw it on the dumpster and set it on fire
Probably the same CRIT builds
With the melee talents
And even some stamina delay nodes
rough cobalt
What's the best weapon for twins? is it still plasma like it was long ago?
trying auric but I need something better since my teammates die a lot on this
rough cobalt
and after that? I don't have any money to buy ATG or even want to use anything that uses bullets
kk
wait so wtf is plasma for
Thought it was great against bosses
narrow frost
Always has been
tame lodge
wait so wtf is plasma for
50 cleave 1 shot machine
serene bough
its mainly used to shoot log sized projectiles with massive cleave at specialists and elites hiding behind densely armored mobs
rough cobalt
Damn my reality has been shattered
tame lodge
It's "screw this direction" the gun
rough cobalt
can I throw my build in here so I can get tips on what to change? or that's against rules or something
narrow frost
how do people build taxe on vet
Weapon special keystone with stamina Regen on ranged kill, used to maintain mk7's push attack spam horde clwar
narrow frost
can I throw my build in here so I can get tips on what to change? or that's agai...
Go for it
narrow frost
You using a las weapon?
rough cobalt
recon
willow tendon
swap these
narrow frost
You have the reload node on keystone, which could be switched to the crit chance node for better ammo eco
Other then that, looks good
Oh wait
rough cobalt
You have the reload node on keystone, which could be switched to the crit chance...
Reload node?
willow tendon
there are better nodes for recon lasgun
narrow frost
narrow frost
there are better nodes for recon lasgun
This
tame lodge
Thought it was great against bosses
It can be
rough cobalt
oh, it's easy to use tho no need to ping people
tame lodge
Always has been
Where was I
Oh right
Plasma for bosses
Blaze Away Optimized Cooling
You get 11-12 shots
tame lodge
Go for it
willow tendon
clicked wrong?
narrow frost
Funny how it got a minor change and "omg this weapon actually does damage now?"
rough cobalt
still got 1 point leftover
rough cobalt
yea, gonna take that one, could allways use that bonus dmg against crushers and plauge ogryns/beasts
one more question, wouldn't krak grenades be better in this situation since this is recon build?
narrow frost
Could even remove keystone to get that crit chance node again
narrow frost
one more question, wouldn't krak grenades be better in this situation since this...
Varies
Krak is anti ogryn and boss stagger
Shredder is anti horde and horde stagger
What do you want?
rough cobalt
gonna stick with shredder
can allways two-three shot ogryns with dueling
Time to bring it again to auric twins
narrow frost
Is it now on the board?
rough cobalt
Campaign
narrow frost
Dman
rough cobalt
rough cobalt
I think you can farm those after completing whole campaign
but I'm not sure since I haven't got there yet
rough cobalt
I can use a teammate for those
tried 2 times with randoms that don't know you gotta move under fans
rough cobalt
I love learning latin
Lucky, wish my had latin back in the day
tame lodge
The only one I remember
And the human ones of course
But not all of them
Do I remember any plants
umbral scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160
I cast krak grenade upon this heathen, ahh
sudden cedar
It is not.
But also it is.
It will just put almost every mission in some sort of order that makes sense
tame lodge
rose reef
ahh ill go again then i do love me some more lore
tacit sonnet
I did like 4 missions of the campaign
They are absolutely the same for arbites and for rejects
Only the intro is different
rose reef
holy shit they gave me some drip price is kind of much tho
tacit sonnet
Maybe in changes later
sudden cedar
@rose reef In that case it shouldnt really do much.
The cutscenes should really only play as you level up and you cant do that anymore
And every mission that is part of that "campaign" will have a cutscene at the end
rotund pond
holy shit they gave me some drip price is kind of much tho
eisenhorns fit does go hard
rose reef
eisenhorns fit does go hard
just call me gregor fr
sudden cedar
(which is stupid by the way, something we have to manually skip when you have seen it once)
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME we play that mission now
Please.
rotund pond
been in the discord for over a year, still dont have the convict/media share role
rotund pond
lol
barren nimbus
How completely entirely fucking stupid is the average redditor where they are whining about the plasma gun in 2025
sudden cedar
Reddit and smart?
barren nimbus
“UNLIMITED CLEAVE!!!!”
quartz dirge
Sorry if im just missing the obvious where to look for this, but coming back to the game after a long ass time, dueling sword looks cool, what stats should I roll for?
barren nimbus
Mobility dump stat
sudden cedar
Dump Mobility
quartz dirge
Oh dang, is it not good for fighting?
willow siren
no jsut mobility is the dump stat on 95% of all weapons
quartz dirge
Oh lol my bad
willow siren
bc after 51% it literally doesnt matter
willow siren
80% is the cap, you want mobility to be the one at 60%
quartz dirge
Oh my god, im sorry my brain made dump stat backwards, thought it was the one I wanted to dump everything in
willow siren
4 can be 80 with one at 60, the 60 is the "dump" stat
sudden cedar
Goes for almost every weapon.
willow siren
there are some wild exclusions but are weapon specific, and most of the weird options are on psyker
quartz dirge
That makes my life way easier
willow siren
bc math
quartz dirge
there are some wild exclusions but are weapon specific, and most of the weird op...
Im a lasgun fanatic, im assuming no weird ones there?
willow siren
nope
hte only thing on vet would be some shenanigans with the knife, but i cant remember what those all were
quartz dirge
Then I think yall gave me everything I needed to know to start gambling rolling my weaps 😅 Thanks
Knifes lack the satisfying presence I crave anyways
I was running power sword long ago
willow siren
there are also some weird cases with the defense stat
quartz dirge
Final roll
sudden cedar
You should know however that the Duelling Sword will probably get a significant nerf in the future
willow siren
very soon
willow siren
i've wanted it to be pulled down even when it was pysker specific
quartz dirge
I mostly picked it cause of my old saltzpyre gaming days with the poker, odds that itll feel kinda unplayable?
willow siren
back then i always felt that itf it went to another class it would get nerfed
quartz dirge
Would yall reccomend like, heavy sword or chain sword instead? obv I like swords lol
willow siren
imo chainsword, bit im giga biased
i dont like heavy swords
but i'll at least be honest about that
quartz dirge
Hey I dont mind a bias lol
Im biased towards swords and las, long as we know the bias is there
rough cobalt
chainsword has more sword per sword
quartz dirge
i dont like heavy swords
Just vibes preference or are the heavy swords feel iffy
quartz dirge
chainsword has more sword per sword
When youre right youre right
What swords the best at cleaving hordes would you say
willow siren
Just vibes preference or are the heavy swords feel iffy
it's all feel
i jsut dont like how ti feels
quartz dirge
Very very fair
quartz dirge
I cant reasonably afford arbites rn, but eventually im very excited to play it, seems so fun
rough cobalt
chainsword can cleave through whole horde if you stack up on the blessing that gives + cleave
willow siren
see that's the wild part, i think it is fun to play, but im not enjoying it
if that makes sense
quartz dirge
So ill probably not invest in this dueling sword yet, thinking alot about chain but I disliked it before cause it felt like I just bit into every target and couldnt glide through a horde, its what I liked about power sword way back but it does not feel that way anymore
quartz dirge
if that makes sense
Nah it does
sudden cedar
There is nothing really wrong with the Duelling Sword in terms of movement set or anything
quartz dirge
Maybe its best I cant get arb rn, let it have some time to ferment
sudden cedar
Its just.. very much overtuned
willow siren
So ill probably not invest in this dueling sword yet, thinking alot about chain ...
witht he right blessings chainswords carve mobs
quartz dirge
Its just.. very much overtuned
Okay well thats just my luck lmao
quartz dirge
witht he right blessings chainswords carve mobs
I didnt like it then just cause of that, is there a build for it I can try and copy
rough cobalt
Wrath + Rampage should make you go thrugh Hordes easily
plus 200% cleave on full stacks
willow siren
who needs combos when mashing left click is enough
rough cobalt
and plus 36% constant dmg in horde
quartz dirge
...does discarding a weapon still sell it or do I need to go to someone to sell it
quartz dirge
Grazie, I swear it used to tell you how much money you were gonna get back
Las gun dump stats, are they different enough I should seek out a guide somewhere, or is it there a universal easy one like mobi stat dump
willow siren
hmmm
exotic bison
My eyes
quartz dirge
You have been anointed with blindness
formal hamlet
So the strongest Veteran weapons are recon lasgun, plasma gun, anything else?
Also, with recon lasgun, can any melee work with it, or do I need something that can deal with havily armoured enemies?
tame lodge
Helbore
formal hamlet
I love the Helbore, but really?
rotund pond
helbore can be annoying to use tbf
tame lodge
Yeah
Recent buffs just solidified it as top tier vet gun
rotund pond
plasma gun, boltgun/pistol are contenders tho
tame lodge
Specially Mk3a
unreal nova
So the strongest Veteran weapons are recon lasgun, plasma gun, anything else?
Technically hellbores now.
Forgot to press send lul.
formal hamlet
I gave it a try for one mission today, the changes felt nice but didn't think it would make it top tier, that's interesting.
rotund pond
if i remembor correctly crits go through armor so any type of crit build can be good
a maxed bolt pistol on a weakpoint(headshot) on a mauler does around 577 dmg which is 1/5th of their health and a weakpoint crit does 1065
rotund pond
deadshot, all range crit chance nodes, surgical, enhanced crit weakpoint dmg weapon buff, executioner stance can buff your crit chance and dmg
rotund pond
play with what ya like
formal hamlet
I like Helbore.
rotund pond
if ya want better damage* get exe stance
rotund pond
VoC is good for survivability as if you have relics w/ +30% tough regen as you basically regen over-toughness instantly
formal hamlet
Oh, didn't know that, pretty cool.
rotund pond
id use VoC if you dont have a ogryn in the team
if you have all your relics equipped with +30% T regen, you have +90% toughness regen
rotund pond
i believe there is a hard cap to how fast you can regen toughness though
as it averages 1-0.5 seconds to start the regen with said +90%
formal hamlet
I got +5% roughness, toughness regen, and ability regen speed.
sudden cedar
passive toughness regen is useless
rose dust
whats the best weapon atm for vetran
sudden cedar
i.e. coherency toughness regen
rotund pond
ah lol
rotund pond
coherancy toughness can be a pain in the ass
sudden cedar
that every class has in its talents to restore toughness actively
No
It is not
It is useless
formal hamlet
So...+30% toughness regen speed...bad?
sudden cedar
Yes
tame lodge
whats the best weapon atm for vetran
Power Sword 6
Rashad
Dueling Sword 4
Knife 6
Heavy Sword 9
formal hamlet
What should I replace it with?
tame lodge
Helbore 3
Plasma
Zarona revolver
Bolter
Recon lasgun
Vraks5
sudden cedar
I have toughness, ability cooldown reduction and stamina regen on my curios
rotund pond
ability CD reduction is fun
sudden cedar
Some will want to have some type of damage resistance on it
And that is fair enough, really
By all means, it will at least give you something
but i rather avoid the damage all-together
rose dust
Helbore 3
Plasma
Zarona revolver
Bolter
Recon lasgun
Vraks5
is that best to worst listed
or just random order
rotund pond
it looks to be best to worst
tame lodge
or just random order
Random order
tame lodge
But top tiers
rotund pond
and all zealots ive seen run revolver and knife/duelling sword
tame lodge
Revolver Knife DS is too much single target
rose dust
so whats the current best ranged and best melee
rotund pond
but ya gotta play with what ya like, if you find something thats extremely niche and you enjoy it i say go for it.
tame lodge
Lemme see what path says
formal hamlet
Decided to try difficulty above damnation or whatever.
Instantly get tox gas map mod.
tame lodge
Best vet gun is helbore now
formal hamlet
Fuck my life.
rotund pond
Instantly get tox gas map mod.
lol quickplay?
formal hamlet
Yeah I always just hit quickplay.
rotund pond
so funnily enough, while helbore can oneshot crushers with exe stance and crit headshot, bolt pistol does around 2036 dmg which is almost a oneshot
unreal nova
so funnily enough, while helbore can oneshot crushers with exe stance and crit h...
Bistol problems tbh.
rotund pond
4k dmg on a unyielding unarmoured headshot with max surgical and deadly accurate is crazy
ye
quartz dirge
Howd I just get yelled at for being a "stupid veteran fuck who cant read" cause I was shooting alot during a no ammo pickups mission
I literally never stopped firing the whole match, and never dropped below 400 ammo 😭
rotund pond
recon rifle?
quartz dirge
Lasbore
rotund pond
bro must not have played veteran then
quartz dirge
Playing arbites, screamed his head off over the mic at me, saying how im dogshit, cant read, gonna just chain die the moment I ran outa ammo ect ect
Started shooting barrels I was near
Its been a minute since I played a game with teammates this childish, we won incredibly easily
rotund pond
happens sometimes
quartz dirge
Did I find the most toxic player in the game or does this shit just happen
unreal nova
Howd I just get yelled at for being a "stupid veteran fuck who cant read" cause ...
Bad players are bad, more so if you had survivalist+shocktroop.
rotund pond
though rarely find anyone with a mic these days
quartz dirge
though rarely find anyone with a mic these days
He said nothing except flame, he was silent until like 10 mins in to scream, and used it for nothing but that
quartz dirge
Bad players are bad, more so if you had survivalist+shocktroop.
Yessir, I had an ammo surplus of 500 by the end lol
placid solstice
Did I find the most toxic player in the game or does this shit just happen
Ive had a player yell on mic at me only once over the course of the last 2 years of playing, so i'd say its pretty rare lol
rotund pond
always good to have shocktroop with survi in a no ammo mission
quartz dirge
Youd sure think that, and im on a helbore, I fired to kill elites and elites I did kill
There were just alot lol
unreal nova
Yessir, I had an ammo surplus of 500 by the end lol
Thus, no reason to rage. I mean, you weren't even spamming I need ammo.
atomic void
Did I find the most toxic player in the game or does this shit just happen
no one mics up in this game so u got unlucky lol
quartz dirge
I pinged it by accident 1 time and its like I kicked bros cyber mastif 😭
unreal nova
I pinged it by accident 1 time and its like I kicked bros cyber mastif 😭
I blame FS ping system for it tbh.
quartz dirge
Yeah I gotta rebind it or something, still wouldnt think hearing an I need ammo 1 time would start having a man actively troll and scream at me 💀
Taste in mouth after that is bad enough I gotta take a break from the game lol
unreal nova
Yeah I gotta rebind it or something, still wouldnt think hearing an I need ammo ...
It happens.
barren nimbus
Is the combat shotgun good now
rotund pond
sorta
formal hamlet
so funnily enough, while helbore can oneshot crushers with exe stance and crit h...
The real challenge of using Helbore in my experience is lining up a headshot while everyone's grenades/melees/dogs/abilities/etc. staggers the shit out of what you're trying to shoot.
Also even though it was off to a shaky start, completed my first auric mission with that gas modifier.
tame lodge
Wdym
faint beacon
That or we have to make fucking infernus builds
tame lodge
Just use frags
faint beacon
Shoe horned back into one build for Pus hardened
tame lodge
Or dots
faint beacon
pain
tame lodge
final toll enemies
faint beacon
or rampaging
tame lodge
faint beacon
Rampaging actually theoretically gives around 90% Ranged DR
with Pus
Rampaging + Pus hardened Reapers that refuse to move away from a ranged location
rare garden
Smoke would be handy in those situations.
tame lodge
ranged resistant enemies
Not resistant to dots
Use dots
Dots can't burst
Final toll enemies
rotund pond
just noticed that if people are only looking for arbites to join their games
for havoc
rotund pond
> ranged resistant enemies
> Not resistant to dots
> Use dots
> Dots can't bur...
"were cooked" ahh missions
tropic notch
@faint beacon how is the hellbores and combat shotguns now?
rose dust
does the curios i have matter
tropic notch
does the curios i have matter
As long as it’s not wounds it’s good
rose dust
cus cant any one be upgrade to max power and have the blessing re rolled
tropic notch
cus cant any one be upgrade to max power and have the blessing re rolled
Sadly no
rose dust
As long as it’s not wounds it’s good
ok i thought you could from the menu
oh
u can change the perk
but not the blessing?
im guessing on ogrin id want... toughness? ability regen?
tropic notch
im guessing on ogrin id want... toughness? ability regen?
It’s mainly dependent on what you prefer, gunner res, stam regen, sprint efficiency is what I go for
Toughness and health is good as well
rose dust
i feel like i def need more toughness
my toughness dies way to fast
it realy annoys me u cant un equip them
tame lodge
<@820414945543716944> how is the hellbores and combat shotguns now?
Paraphrasing Path
Helbore best ranged weapon, casual Helbore W
Helbore Sweep
tropic notch
my toughness dies way to fast
Try gunner res
severe finch
Which variant and what talents are we saying are best on it now
tropic notch
And
true jackal
hotshot with the improved hitbox
tropic notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @rose dust try this if you’re having trouble staying alive
elder garden
love how last few updates evey class but vetrans got a new weapon and this time still the same nothing new for vetrans
true jackal
mighty anvil
love how last few updates evey class but vetrans got a new weapon and this time ...
On top of that DS/PG getting nerfed
rotund pond
On top of that DS/PG getting nerfed
:(
formal hamlet
Ay, did my first Auric Maelstrom! ;D
Man that difficulty was "woah that was unfortunate timing on that combo" heaven.
Would dodge a trapper net by side stepping, only to side step into a sniper shot.
And in this case due to the map modifier, would dodge 5 mutants only to get grabbed by the 6th one.
brazen dagger
I’m only starting to get comfortable on damnation I’m probably gonna get mauled whenever I try auric maelstrom
stuck tree
formal hamlet
I was trying to get comfortable in damnation but it kinda happened in one day, yesterday. So I've decided to just move up to the next tier.
rotund pond
Man that difficulty was "woah that was unfortunate timing on that combo" heaven.
the games ai director sometimes does say "fuck you in particular" by sending 2 bombers, a charger, a trapper, flamer after you
or if your in inferno, 4 flamers, 2 chargers, 2 bombers
sonic kayak
Ay, did my first Auric Maelstrom! ;D
Look at ya, how much progress you've gotten in a week
I'm so proud 
lapis osprey
is it normal to get 1 hit crusher slam as vet in high havocs or am i building something wrong?
sonic kayak
is it normal to get 1 hit crusher slam as vet in high havocs or am i building so...
Yes it is
Psyker too
topaz lance
Arbites grenade is a straight upgrade compared to the vet frag grenade. Change my mind.
rotund pond
is it normal to get 1 hit crusher slam as vet in high havocs or am i building so...
yes
sonic kayak
In Havoc, everything does extra corruption damage so the overhead + corruption is instantly killing you
rotund pond
crushers and maulers are meant to go through your toughness
rotund pond
and the above overhead corruption
vets alot of fun when you invest into them
their just being outshone by every other class atm
used to be ogryn pre rework
arbites rn has the survivability that vet lacks
hollow ibex
Arbites grenade is a straight upgrade compared to the vet frag grenade. Change m...
Doesn’t have the radius or bleed procs
sharp epoch
I used to play braindead zealot and vet seems a lot of work
ogryn is even more braindead but yes if you mess up on vet once or twice youre cooked
rotund pond
arbites is also a impact nade
its good against single target and smaller hordes
mostly meant for stagger imo
sharp epoch
does it stagger monstrosities
rotund pond
vets frag nade with the radius and dmg upgrade is rlly good
rotund pond
does it stagger monstrosities
not sure
sharp epoch
thats brocken
rotund pond
i got tired of levelling up my arbites as it takes twice as long as it did pre battle for tertium
sharp epoch
yes
rotund pond
ye
quiet valley
yea its 5 pocket staggers on 60s cooldown
formal hamlet
the games ai director sometimes does say "fuck you in particular" by sending 2 b...
Oh, we had like 3-4 occassions of 2-3 bombers coming at us in groups.
sharp epoch
more reliable than frags stagger then
rotund pond
ye thats the game saying your progressing too fast and trying to catch you off guard
sharp epoch
which you need some timing and spacing to do well and you only get 3
sharp epoch
yeah but thats point tax that no count
rotund pond
vet frags can nuke unarmoured enemies within its epicenter
sharp epoch
from what ive seen at least for anything below havoc arbites is really broken
formal hamlet
I only went for a maelstrom attempt to get rid of the notification about talking to Commisar Dukane or whatever.
rotund pond
arbites has everything that makes ogryn good and vet decent
sharp epoch
really strong single talents too like
formal hamlet
My maelstrom run was me as Vet with 3x Arbiters.
sharp epoch
a stacking 30% perma buff that gives dr and damage vs bosses
lapis osprey
My maelstrom run was me as Vet with 3x Arbiters. <:kek:639522926185414672>
just played havoc 30 with same comp and got cooked
rotund pond
shield, toughness gain on chained hits, a get off me charge, high stagger nades, stun mines, a dog that provides brittleness and stagger on monstrocities and ogryns
vet is rn in a tough spot due to arbites
as if people want more survivability theyll just play arbites
not to mention that the shotpistol is broken
topaz lance
Vets tree is just not as powerful overall
void dragon
Vets tree is just not as powerful overall
Isn't? I was under the impression that it has power, but is limited to specific perks and is set on a somewhat boring style that little has to do with it being an specialists on guns
gilded rock
Doesn’t have the radius or bleed procs
Shredder plus bistol plus grenade tinkerer
win
sharp epoch
vet is rn in a tough spot due to arbites
Yeah arbites does their role way better, it actually has talents that synergize with elite/specialist killing
rotund pond
vets no where as boring as psyker tbf
gilded rock
FGS and recon gunker is fun
rotund pond
psyker is the only class that after getting to level 30 i cant force myself to play
gilded rock
Not a fan of any staves except for electric one
void dragon
vets no where as boring as psyker tbf
Mmhow dare you good sir from my dream? BEGONE!
*toss colorful stones at your face
topaz lance
Isn't? I was under the impression that it has power, but is limited to specific ...
If you want to achieve the same survivability you can get by basically randomly choosing things in the arbites tree, you need to go VoC, no other way.
VoC is boring as hell.
sharp epoch
vets no where as boring as psyker tbf
In terms of performance, psyker has its own niche that hasn't been replaced though. theyre the umtimate crowd control and horde clear class with bubble too
rotund pond
If you want to achieve the same survivability you can get by basically randomly ...
VoC is damn boring and i even got complimented for not using it in havoc
then we lost and i had to switch to VoC
sharp epoch
book zealot is the most boring ability personally
gilded rock
Love exe stance because you just keep both it and Exhillarating Takedown rolling by just clicking heads
The toughness rakes in without VoC
void dragon
If you want to achieve the same survivability you can get by basically randomly ...
Survivability for team has its own merits (even if piss toughness is evil), and it's specifically what Arbiter should excel, Veteran should have more focus on being good using gunfire in many ways (hence it's big weapon pool) but in general it's not as engaging
gilded rock
But not as braindead so
rotund pond
The toughness rakes in without VoC
untill the games director decides your having too much fun and sends a anti toughness horde onto uou
gilded rock
Tbf ET procs on any head
void dragon
untill the games director decides your having too much fun and sends a anti toug...
Ai director: Pocket tox bombers!
gilded rock
You just lose the on Elite/Specialist kill toughness if it's only trash mobs but still got ET
sharp epoch
some enemies its pretty hard to hit their head or discouraged like maulers and muties and bosses really just make you unable to gain toughness at all with exe stance
topaz lance
Love exe stance because you just keep both it and Exhillarating Takedown rolling...
Exe stance is my favorite ability. But I think it needs something to put it on par with the other "rebalanced" or new classes.
gilded rock
I quite like it
Infil is probably the least fun and hardest to invest in one
Like five upgrade nodes 
Otherwise it's just toughness refill and stealth for a few seconds
At least it doesn't stop you from sprinting anymore, that sucked so bad
sharp epoch
infil is just a worse stealth zealot tbh
gilded rock
It's kind of a sidegrade
Shroud lasts less time (requires an upgrade for ~same duration), only refills 40% toughness (over time, plus also an upgrade)
But in return you get more damage
At least on zealot you can IoD spam for Shroud, kinda better than the specialist kill CDR that vet has
topaz lance
Easy way to improve the vet tree: remove most of the small stat boost nodes, roll them into the base class
sharp epoch
Yup or even get the backstab cdr too
gilded rock
Easy way to improve the vet tree: remove most of the small stat boost nodes, rol...
Or just combine some of them so it's still a choice
sharp epoch
and zealots just way better at melee than melee vet
gilded rock
The rending and brittleness on hit can be combined easily
topaz lance
remove the "immune to suppression" node - it's the class passive now.
gilded rock
I like that zealot leans more melee but both trees need some love
topaz lance
Or just combine some of them so it's still a choice
Yeah sure, makes sense
serene bough
remove the "immune to suppression" node - it's the class passive now.
That and survivalist
gilded rock
Not sure if that would be too powerful or not, survivalist is really weird in that it gives so much just for playing the game
It used to be crazy before back when it gave more per elite/special
serene bough
Problem is survivalist is too good to compete with
formal hamlet
Gonna level mastery on infantry lasgun and devil's claw, what perks, blessings and mark for each?
serene bough
Should just be innate to vet since everyone is bringing vet for survivalist anyways
serene bough
Gonna level mastery on infantry lasgun and devil's claw, what perks, blessings a...
Ilas IIb with HH and Ghost
serene bough
Make survivalist 10% weakspot damage and buff the other two (7 .5% dmg fire team and 10% move speed imo)
serene bough
What about perks?
personally i think Flak + 10% elite is the best combo while using MMF
daring rampart
Now that Arbites is out I bet in the future we get a nade launcher and heavy stubber shareable between vet and Arbites
They both use them and vet is due a weapon wondering if they were waiting for arbiters to drop
serene bough
the pinned guide recommends different talents but in my experience i feel this is smoother for IIb ilas
serene bough
i actually think IIb is pretty solid for auric level difficulties
havoc is a different animal since it has no way to deal with armor and the breakpoints get all messed up
serene bough
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dae207f-6a4f-4862-ae10-5dfd41b2a242/ii...
oh, grab Born Leader instead of KTHD
formal hamlet
Where my arms go. D:
Isn't the IIb the lightest variant? I'm surprised that's the best considering it has the lowest damage. Is it since recoil is far lower so it can stay on target?
rotund pond
The blue is the lowest dmg but highest fire rate, green being middle ground, yellow being highest dmg lowest firerate
This applies to all guard weapons funnily enough
gilded rock
Where my arms go. D:
sacrificed to empror
at least you're not one of the 1000 daily psykoids