veteran-class

[untold mulch]

And it being a paid class, is incentive for FS to not tweak it as much.

Same shit with this shitty company

[unreal nova]

They don't need gold to no sell one overhead when they can eat 3.

More if they get hp.

[unreal nova]

They might nerf a month later, from ridiculously op to op.

[untold mulch]

probably good to have at least a single + hp

[unreal nova]

Mhm. So one of each if you like stam.

Also, there's a spitful side of me that wants to just drag a stupid FT recon build just to piss off Arbites.

[void dragon]

@tall torrent can i ask you what mean the changes for the Combat shotguns? hear the fire one isnt that hot but the others are good, is that the case? also for the Devil claw pretty please

[scarlet crescent]

is this alrdy in the shop?

[worthy stump]

I unlocked the recon lasgun and been having quite a lot of fun with it

[formal hamlet]

The heck is a Sainted weapon? I see people with red colour weapons and I don't have any of those.

[strange crow]

Level 20 weapon mastery

[candid agate]

damn the new UI for missions is ugly

[formal hamlet]

I have a buncha weapons at 20, but my guns and such aren't red.

[tame lodge]

Mod

[strange crow]

It’s a skin u unlock in the penance thing

[tame lodge]

"Red weapons at home"

[unreal nova]

Low quality filter on them.

[candid agate]

it just feels worse than the old one, and less holographic looking, more like a screen

[unreal nova]

Cheap device screen even.

[candid agate]

exactly

they also keep moving maelstrom for some reason instead of keeping it in the middle

[crude solstice]

I have a feeling ive picked the wrong time to attempt to get that On Overwatch Penance

[formal hamlet]

What do you guys think dump stat will be on shock maul and suppression shield?

[heavy rover]

you'll be fine. Spam Voice of Command with Yellow toughness, pick a weapon with Agile (dueling sword and dagger), and keep spamming dodge

[crude solstice]

Unless theyve changed the way stats work, probably gonna be mobility

[formal hamlet]

It does not have mobility.

[crude solstice]

I have had a disaster of a time trying it so far.

[red robin]

Commodore shop rotate yet?

[tame lodge]

Does it have Defense?

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I think so.

[formal hamlet]

It has now.

[red robin]

Neat

[autumn perch]

is veteran fun now? i havent played in like a year

[tame lodge]

Melee/ranged hybrid gameplay

If you think that's fun
Go for it

[autumn perch]

that sounds like the whole game lol

i wanted to focus more on shooting tbh

[sullen scarab]

on veteran, do you need +flak to one shot the dreg bruisers with a headshot on the rashad?

[deep bone]

Bruh the new drip is immaculate

[hollow ibex]

Shouldn't need it

[sullen scarab]

i need like one headtaker stack to hit it, wonder what I'm missing lol

[hollow ibex]

1 HT stack is nothing

And yeah I'm assuming you need HT

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

it just makes me sad when I hit the dude and he has like 5 hp left LOL

[hollow ibex]

It's slightly annoying but HT will always be up in actual combat at least

[sullen scarab]

yeah

i used to run flak/unarmored and with that +10% melee damage skill i could 1 hit without windup on the dreg dudes

but I guess running unarmored/Carapace is better since crusher spam is when you want that up lol

[steel fiber]

awww yeahhh

[solar surge]

I've complained about a lack of red bandana's and Red Beret's for quite a while now. Finally We get one of them, even if it's a bit beaten up. My catachan dreams are getting closer, now we just need to find a common vest.

[sullen scarab]

oh hell yeah

[warm schooner]

Omg the new vet cosmetics

[sullen scarab]

needs to be put in the washing machine

[solar surge]

Knowing Catachan's it probably adds to the camo. Though who knows.

They are known to throw mud on their aquilla's to keep them from glinting in the sun.

pisses off commissar's of course.

Trying to have a positive outlook on it at least.

[sullen scarab]

yes lmao

the dirt prevents the cloth from sparkling

[safe kestrel]

I don’t play bet but this is fire. Kinda starship troopers or street fighter vibe

[heavy rover]

holy the helbore slaps now

consider me the #1 helbore enjoyer

[void dragon]

have yet to try the combat shotguns need some builds for them

[hollow ibex]

The new draw time is fucking night and day lol

[heavy rover]

all I've been wanting out of the helbore was better draw time. Now the extra ADM is chef's kiss

I can easily see myself carrying it right into havoc 40

[void dragon]

that and how near is to get clean 1 shot on crushers from what used to be 2 shots is quite satisfying

really feels like a sniper gun now

[faint beacon]

There are still many grudges in the book of grudges for Veterans state

But this

Removes one

One grudge has been paid

[quiet valley]

Vet is so cooked

[hollow ibex]

Many more to go

[quiet valley]

Arby's has better Exec stance

its jover

[faint beacon]

That’s what I noticed

Casti seems like EStance but like

[void dragon]

arby = Vet+ and a dogo

[faint beacon]

Less on wall hacks

More on be unkillable

VOC EStance hybrid

[hollow ibex]

Think about it. Literally every class has better exec stance now. You know it to be true.

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

No wall hacks

[quiet valley]

But but Helbore

[tame lodge]

[heavy rover]

second this, helbore is love, helbore is life

[faint beacon]

DD is just static Wall hack factor of EStance but 24/7

🚬

It’s the truth

[void dragon]

PBB, Gaze, Castigator, what's theone for zealot?

[quiet valley]

EO on Arby is just better DD

[hollow ibex]

Ngl I forgot zealot exists

[faint beacon]

Forgetting EO now

[void dragon]

understandable honestly

[faint beacon]

Zealot doesn’t have one

And they have hell of a lot more grudges than we do

[void dragon]

Zealot rework SOON

[faint beacon]

It’s depressing

[heavy rover]

you know what isn't? helbore

[hollow ibex]

Power wise they're still in ok shape imo

Unlike vet

[faint beacon]

Eh-

Vet is in a better spot with the Helby change

But we need another push

[void dragon]

i feel the buff to Helbore and some melee weapons will help Vet a fair bit

but we do need a better perk tree

[hollow ibex]

I guess I don't NEED to run ES with helbore now lol

[heavy rover]

yeah, my havoc run with helbore wasn't with ES, and I was still melting targets left right and centre

[faint beacon]

Hey the uh

Slug variant

Shotty

Is now in a WAY better spot

Actually an alternative to Revo

[void dragon]

and yet you will, because funny oneshot crusher haha

[faint beacon]

Veteran is honestly in a bit of a better spot now same with Zealot cause of the weaponry buffs

But both still need more

“Better” just more enjoyable and have more options basically

At least for casual players

Cause everything is viable if you slam your head against the H40 wall hard enough

[red robin]

Marksmen focus decent now with cleave?

[faint beacon]

It’s a possibility

[red robin]

Hated the no cleave on hip fire for that shotty

Now it has the finesse curve on hip fire shots

Might be neat

15% reload speed might be neat on it

[hollow ibex]

How is the new Evis

[red robin]

Cleave cap removal huge

[faint beacon]

Pretty damn solid from what I’ve heard

[hollow ibex]

I prob won't tbh. Starting to appreciate the faster marks more now

[faint beacon]

H1 on Evis III actually kills hordes now

[hollow ibex]

I'll try it eventually

Gonna be doing arbites for a while

[faint beacon]

Again it’s two class exclusive weapons that needed help

[hollow ibex]

And then vet stuff

[faint beacon]

Finally getting help

[hollow ibex]

Then zealot

[faint beacon]

One small grudge of many removed

[red robin]

Claw better now?

Or eh

[faint beacon]

I cannot stress how nice Taxe is

[faint beacon]

Flak ADM

I’ll leave it at that

[red robin]

Can’t ever win

[faint beacon]

They keep missing the target

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[faint beacon]

It’s good!

When you’re not fighting 50% of the roster

That has Flak

[hollow ibex]

Fatshart buffing everything on dclaw but flak ADM

[void dragon]

tha's also fair, im trying more use of the Taxe and golly its a nice weapon

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I'll def be running it for Arbi

[faint beacon]

Taxe got huge QOL stuff

[void dragon]

2 specials into the buffed heavy for caparace actually does damage

[red robin]

Skirmisher might be good on vet with tact axe and claw

You can sprint and melee with no halts on them

[faint beacon]

It has knife mobility when sprinting

But doesn’t have the cringe movement techs

So it’s still respectable

Imo at least

So you’re pretty quick

It’s just I want knife except I want it to deal not great singular damage in turn for amazing stagger and overall decent Horde clear

Boom

Taxe

[rough cobalt]

what is best stat to replace bombers resistance? I don't need stamina:

[faint beacon]

Gunners

[rustic fable]

How is the slug shotgun after patch?

[faint beacon]

Always gunners

[faint beacon]

Revolver alternative

It’s pretty solid

[rough cobalt]

Isn't gunners noob trap?, just dodge sliding makes you immune to their fire

[red robin]

I mean

It helps

[faint beacon]

It’s not at all a noob trap

[red robin]

I like sprint efficiency as a third

[faint beacon]

You’ll be surprised

That’s probably a Tanner misinfo right there but the damage has been done

Sometimes the game just says fuck you

[rough cobalt]

oh yea I'm watching video rn

[faint beacon]

And that gunner res helps

Don’t watch Tanner

He gives so much misinfo it’s not even funny

[rough cobalt]

got better reccomendation?

[faint beacon]

Ask in here

Tragically

The chat rooms in here give better advice than a majority of Darktubers

We got a guide in pins you can use for Vet

[rough cobalt]

Wow finnaly server with working pins, haven't seen those in a while so I forgot about them

[heavy rover]

Be aware that the pinned guide is a bit outdated, the author of it is working on a guide to be published on steam

[faint beacon]

It’s not changed

Much-

Helbore and Shotty are like

The only big ones

That’s about it

Just cause they literally got buffed today

[heavy rover]

Yeah that's fair

[red robin]

If I was to dump anything on the taxe to get 80% mobility, would it be damage?

[rough cobalt]

Since I have like 3 Curios like this but with different resistances, would 60% gunner resistance be great or I should specialize each of them into different enemy

[faint beacon]

Well that and Catch a Breath and Killzone were changed

[red robin]

Keep in mind, I have a mobility dump taxe

[faint beacon]

Stack gunner

It effects reapers

[rough cobalt]

ohhh

nice

[red robin]

I just want to try a movement taxe for fun

[tame lodge]

You are picking a lot of poison

[red robin]

Yeah I know, min max heresy, but I just want to try things for fun

[tame lodge]

Yeah I think it would be damage

[red robin]

Ty for not giving me a hard time

[tame lodge]

I don't have the numbers on crit bonus

[red robin]

I have a mobility dump taxe

Just want another one to demo things

[faint beacon]

Crit bonus is really nice

You really want to dump Mobility if I’ll be honest

[tame lodge]

It has finesse and crit bonus for some reason

[red robin]

Also

Anyone do any demoing on the marks

For taxe

[tame lodge]

Don't have the numbers on the damage of crit bonus but I know it affects innate crit chance

[red robin]

7 still the best?

[faint beacon]

Hit head kill enemy hard

[faint beacon]

Yes

[vestal widget]

did they change bps now that they removed a diff and made auric a diff?

[faint beacon]

Auric is just damnation with increased spawns

Nothing changed

[vestal widget]

ah cool, was wondering if they'd rescaled health when they changed which were the 5 diffs

[lapis osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e6bb01d-08ec-47e8-9180-98895e080144/h40-db-vet

Is this build viable in H40 now?

[tame lodge]

A bit too much on the Weapon Specialist there

Would drop Invigorated and On your toes for Superiority complex

[final locust]

bro you gotta pay for the new class?

[narrow frost]

now?

always has been

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

[bold sierra]

buying chainsword, in the hopes that it will get buffed up in the future

tho it's pretty good on zealot tho

[tame lodge]

Hidden op on zelly

[barren girder]

anyone get around to testing helbore yet? how is it?

[gilded rock]

Yes

Twelv dolar

[final locust]

bruh

[broken reef]

how does deadshot work exactly, is "secondary fire" just aiming down sights?

[sharp epoch]

yes i dont think it works for the weird ones like plasma thougj

[broken reef]

so i have to aim down with the recon lasgun for that long ass salvo

gotcha

[hollow ibex]

And only applies while you have stamina

[broken reef]

no problem i have something along the lines of 17 bars of it

[serene bough]

did anyone else have trouble downloading the update

my brother cant download the update, so he uninstalled and went to reinstall, and now he cant install the game

[half path]

He / Not him cause I’ll never be him

[broken reef]

im him

but better

[analog yacht]

Do dclaw buffs matter?

[half path]

not used it yet

been barktide maxxing

[analog yacht]

real

[magic trout]

No, still meh

[analog yacht]

Another 12 months of Rashad PS

[magic trout]

Its good againts anything that is not caparace but dont expect killing everything in 1 hit

[severe finch]

anyone else getting a crash when popping executioners stance?

had it happen twice now in the mission where you first meet the karnak sister

[magic trout]

No

[severe finch]

okay didnt know if it was the ability or the fight itself

[magic trout]

Have you tested in meatgrinder?

[severe finch]

no but i forgot that existed

thanks for the reminder

nope not there so its the fight

[broken reef]

possible

ive been getting 2001'd every time i throw 2 grenades back to back

my guess is despite the wait and preparation fatshark didnt reinforce servers

[tall torrent]

They did not expect to suddenly get >3x their player count

This was earlier today when update went live

[tall torrent]

Very good
Potential top 3 for havoc now

Both IIIa and IV can hit some really nasty 1 taps

Pretty sure they’re the only veteran weapons that don’t take mega damage juicing to do that

But they still take quite the ranged talent spec so you can’t rly run them well with more melee orientated builds

[broken reef]

i forgot what they did to the dueling sword

[tall torrent]

Nothing

[broken reef]

i must have chaos-born dementia then

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[magic trout]

They didnt, next update.

[broken reef]

cause i for some reason remember them nerfing ds

[tame lodge]

You're remembering wrong

What you remember is the Chinese leaks

[magic trout]

Plasma and DS wil be reworked in next update

[tame lodge]

That aren't set in stone

[broken reef]

ahhhhh

thats what im remembering

well, spent 130 hours on this game with other melee weapons

[arctic rampart]

cmn when did fatshark ever not do a weapon nerf

[broken reef]

my turn on using the hard meta giga powerful sword

you just spam heavies right?

[arctic rampart]

no, you do lights for horde and stab in the head for specials

[broken reef]

use special to stun for approach then just stab to death

i mean, it says it has a dodge refresh, i could literally just stab through the horde while wave dodging around

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/duelling-sword/maccabian-mk-iv-duelling-sword you want uncanny strike & riposte IMO.. but other people like diffferent ones

yeah go ahead and try stabbing through the horde to clear it. hehehe good luck with that

if you wanna do stab only I guess thrust is what you want. now you said you're gonna do it, try it out!

[void dragon]

what about the combat shotguns? are they good now? what is that they need nowadays?

[neon estuary]

at least i'm happy we got a beret for veterans.... wish it was green though

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa VII is decent
Zarona VI is alright
Accatran IX almost same thing as before just with a bit more ammo

[arctic rampart]

meltagun when

[tall torrent]

1 tap consistency still nonexistent for all 3

[void dragon]

thanks, atl least will have fun using the Helbore, weapon family genuinely feels great

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/double-barrelled-shotgun/crucis-mk-xi-double-barrelled-shotgun this shotgun is best still I assume

[void dragon]

Always has been

[arctic rampart]

its just shotguns are so bad in this game why bother?

like almost any other ranged weapon would be more useful

[austere mica]

Cause its fun

95% of weapons are worse than dueling sword why use those

[arctic rampart]

dueling sword is tiny though, I want a big sword

[gilded wraith]

For fin!

[void dragon]

Because it's no me shovel

[arctic rampart]

I mean shovel is meh.. but the bonk sound is nice

at least the heavy horde clear shovel is good.. dont like the foldable one much

shovel should have similar movement speed to ds4 & dagger

[void dragon]

It also works kinda well with some bleeding, and allow me to occasionally shotgun crushers for some nice damage

[formal hamlet]

Out of curiosity, if I'm a couple percentage off on a dump stat, does it matter? I'm guessing no so I've been fully levelling these weapons and want to use them now rather than wait for a perfect one.

[arctic rampart]

you eventually have so much plasteel/diamantine/etc. it doesn't matter at all

[vapid nacelle]

I'm going to keep this for the novelty

[arctic rampart]

whether it has breakpoints or not though dunno

[void dragon]

Btw, what has changed for DClaws? Are they still meh?

[formal hamlet]

I do have a good deal of resources but I'm also burning through them today a lot.

[arctic rampart]

remember all the plasteel & diamantine are shared so just doing mission you'll get tons of resources. do the weeklies for bonus. burn through them all if you have a use for em

[gilded wraith]

Never hurts to ask at the start of the mission for people to "Please pick them up". There are some jaded old folk that no longer do.

[formal hamlet]

[magic trout]

In my 2000 hrs playing this game ive have only seen 3 more like this 😮

[magic trout]

Still meh it has better flak damage but dont expect killing maulers 😓

[solar surge]

Am I the only one wanting the moebian helmet drip?

[magic trout]

i want the half mask with headset 🎧

[unreal nova]

This is why shovel needs some buffs.

[void dragon]

Yeah, shovel needs some buffs to be called balanced (even with such insane blessings)

[severe finch]

just had an amazing visual bug

[winter grove]

Not whole lot of arbitrators on auric missions, seems like we got couple of days of dog free strike teams

[mortal horizon]

how would you guys build devil claw for havoc on weapon specialist. some combination of shred, rampage and maybe a cleave blessing wrath or ss

but im unsure whats best

[solar surge]

krieg commissar when?

[lament venture]

Looking cool, how to do that bruh?

[severe finch]

only showed up till i closed the menu but i swapped between a few loadouts really fast and it bugged like that

[shadow frigate]

did the penances for smoke screen change or anything within the past couple months i just did 2 missions and it didn't go up. i just started playing again and i'm trying to finish so of the penances that i left nearly complete

[hollow ibex]

Might take some time to update. Also do them in Mortis Trials if you're not already

[inland parrot]

ya weird penace stuff for sure

[shadow frigate]

i'm in my third game right now if it doesn't count i'm just avoiding the penance

[tame lodge]

Uncanny and Skullcrusher
Mid tier weapon

[shadow frigate]

it counted this run so thats good

[timid otter]

The crazy thing is that the shovel isnt even that bad

Its just that weapons like DS are massively overtuned in comparision

[unreal nova]

It isn't, it just needs a lil oomph to match other more fun tier weapons that are actually good.

[mighty anvil]

Did the nerfs change the DS/Plasma meta?

[tame lodge]

No nerf yet

[mighty anvil]

oh well what are the god rolls I should be farming for

[unreal nova]

Mobility dump or cleave damage dump for ds. 68-69 thermal, 72-71 charge rate for plasma.

[mighty anvil]

ty and what are the perks i want

[unreal nova]

DS, flak maniac.

Plasma same from memory.

[winter grove]

What's difference between nowadays auric and damnation?

Seeing that auric is an actual difficulty now

[unreal nova]

Auric AI will fuck you over with congalines of specialists.

Damnation has hard caps.

Unless you pick specific modifiers.

[winter grove]

...I just had like 20 stack of dreg ragers

Actual doomstack I tell you

[unreal nova]

Auric? Normal.

[winter grove]

Yup

[bleak oasis]

Plasma gun dump stat?

[winter grove]

I see where this is going then

I like this new challenge

[unreal nova]

I just said it. 68-69 thermal, 72-71 charge rate.

[bleak oasis]

Ye but I posted a class exclusive weapon outside the funni channel for it

[unreal nova]

It's been like that, just taken up a notch.

[winter grove]

No I know it's how it's been on aurics

[sharp epoch]

are the new shotgun and tac axe buffs out yet

[unreal nova]

Is out since last night.

[unreal nova]

WDYM funni channel?

[bleak oasis]

Zealot channel

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[sharp epoch]

wee

new agripina is decent

arbites is pretty broken though im being outdamaged by lvl 21 arbites

[autumn perch]

do experience gain curio give more weapon mastery xp?

[unreal nova]

I mean, what did you expect from pay2win?

[unreal nova]

No.

[sharp epoch]

im the only one in the friend group who doesnt have it 🥹

[autumn perch]

is it really that overpowered?

[unreal nova]

I understand. Unless I get gifted it, I'm unlikely to get it as well.

[unreal nova]

Well, ppl have been letting dogs just maul everything while semiAFKing.

[autumn perch]

i see

the shield pistol combo does seem super strong

no drawbacks

[sharp epoch]

More so the weapons from what I see

idk about the talents, but they got some pretty busted ones and good ones too

[proud parrot]

wait so did they nerf plasma and thrusting sword?

[unreal nova]

They got a shotgun so op, they had to cursory buff all combat shotguns to make it seem more comparable.

[sharp epoch]

not yet but its comign

[unreal nova]

Even when the buffs barely compare.

[proud parrot]

lame

[sharp epoch]

yeah the shotguns pretty good on auric so far wonder if itll hold up on havocs

[unreal nova]

Not yet, but it's soon to be on the chopping block.

[autumn perch]

i tried getting back into vet but man it feels like theres no place for a pure sniper kinda playstyle anymore. And i dont count plasma cus its boring asf for me

[proud parrot]

yeah im bored of plas as well

[unreal nova]

Vet is just the runt left in the dumpster rn.

[proud parrot]

helbore still isnt super comp

[sharp epoch]

helbore works but you gotta be like very safe and reliant on your team for hordeclear

[unreal nova]

So much, you will get bullied off it now if you have FT.

[proud parrot]

gonna be replaced by abites

[proud parrot]

FT?

[atomic void]

It's not more op than ogryn or psyker or zealot/vet's strongest builds

[unreal nova]

Too late, Arbites already better vet and zealot.

[atomic void]

No?

[autumn perch]

i tried hellbore and yeah it was fun and i enjoyed it, but it seemed outclassed by everything else

[unreal nova]

Focus Target.

[autumn perch]

crucis is better single target, arbites is better specialist killer

[sharp epoch]

its more OP than zealot and vets strongest builds

[proud parrot]

the arbitraitor just seems kinda op

[unreal nova]

You take it and Arbites will insult you till you stop using it because it causes crashes with Arbites tag.

[proud parrot]

so easy havoc 40?

[atomic void]

No simply because the class has no access to DS4 or flamer

[unreal nova]

They already did 4 Arbites H40.

[sharp epoch]

Just get ogryn psyker and like two arbites easy 40 clear

[atomic void]

Also it just came out and people have no idea what they're talking about

[autumn perch]

the pistol shield is ridicously overtuned

[sharp epoch]

I can already tell lvl 20 arbites are able to outperform other maxed classes somethings overtuned about the class

[proud parrot]

how long does it take fatshak to nerf stuff?

[autumn perch]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[unreal nova]

Possibly never. Oggy needs some nerfs since the rework dropped.

[faint beacon]

Well I mean like Helby just kinda gave Vet a really good foothold in Havoc now

with its swap buff

and it was already good

[unreal nova]

Especially something named rumbler.

[winter grove]

How many campaign missions are there?

[faint beacon]

so now its borderline plasma tier

[atomic void]

Have u considered that these guys might just be cracked on other classes too
The arbites in my lobby (pretty much every player) were dying left right and center and that's only Hersey cause game forced me to do it

Class is strong and juiced but so are the others especially ogryn

[faint beacon]

Heresy is a fucking hurdle on low rank QP cause your team will kill you more than the enemy LMAO

[sharp epoch]

theyre both juiced

[unreal nova]

Guy argues about OP class not being op cos ppl can die on it. Seems like never saw bad oggy players.

[autumn perch]

yeah so? 2 things can be true at once, they can be really good players and the class can be OP lol

[atomic void]

The biggest difference between arbite and zealot/vet is the tree is way more varied

So leveling is easier

[atomic void]

Yep

I was getting blown up by bursters

Shot by my teammates

[atomic void]

I'm saying it's not more op than the rest

Not that it's weak

It's 100% juiced

[faint beacon]

Ogryn > Psyker > Arby > Vet/Zealot

this is a given

was a given

[atomic void]

I'd agree with this

[faint beacon]

Nothing is going to outdamage Ogryn or Psyker till they get nerfed

They're both incredibly juiced

the reason Arby feels strong is because Vet and Zealot are weak vs them

and now we're seeing a tidal wave of Arby players

[atomic void]

At this point everything in this game is juiced idk

[faint beacon]

Unless its Vet or Zealot

Hence they need reworks

[atomic void]

Just give up on balancing and make dark tide 2 where you don't power creep your classes

Idk how they can realistically nerf anything now without getting review bombed

People review bombed over LEAKS

[unreal nova]

I think Zealot might be better than Vet though. Barring the boredom of 1.5 builds.

[faint beacon]

Besides you guys are also sleeping on how huge

the Helbore buff was

it went from Niche pick

to rivaling fucking plasma

thats insane

[unreal nova]

I don't use either. They both suck at 300 ping.

[faint beacon]

Vet and Zealot still need reworks

[unreal nova]

2 secs to fire and see feedback is horrific.

[faint beacon]

but the changes to some of the weapons

help them a shit ton

in the long run

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I ask for buffs for like shovel as well.

[mighty anvil]

Whats the best way to farm mastery on a weapon without using the weapon

[unreal nova]

Buy greys and burn plasteel to make them green, then sacrifice them.

Same type for more XP.

[mighty anvil]

you think i have enough resource to take two weapons from zero mastery to max?

[winter oar]

is there a known bug that makes the gme crash shen using veterens ability?

[unreal nova]

If you get lucky on the lvls of the weapons.

[proud parrot]

yes

[unreal nova]

FT + Arbites tag.

RIP.

You will get bullied into playing keystoneless or the other two if you use it.

[winter oar]

damn, is it just ES or all the abilities?

[unreal nova]

Focus Target.

Exe stance has another crash thing.

[winter oar]

jesus

Yeah was lagging out of mission immediatly after exe stance

[unreal nova]

Nobody playtests vet anymore so...

Ppl be like, just blame the vet for all issues.

Even when it's FS or playtesters failing to playtest.

[winter oar]

Is that to say not to expect a fix anytime soon?

[unreal nova]

Even when I worked as an actual tester, we were told to use all the weirdest combos just in case.

And the worst part is, if Arbites get a custom tag, the common sense thing would be to test it with the other thing that changes tag.

[crimson pebble]

me when i make shit up

[unreal nova]

Earliest is weekend.

[unreal nova]

Clearly nobody played vet with FT and Arbites.

[mighty anvil]

whats FT

[unreal nova]

Focus Target.

[tame lodge]

Focus Target 🗣️

Middle tree keystone

Yellow highlight

[unreal nova]

Or wouldn't this obvious crash been found out before release?

[mighty anvil]

that crashes the game>>

when an arbite is in ur party?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[grand perch]

they brought back fucking pus hardened??!

[unreal nova]

If one tags, the other tags the same, rip.

[grand perch]

FML

[mighty anvil]

thats annoying

[unreal nova]

To gimp vet more, yep.

[grand perch]

thats some serious bullshit

[mighty anvil]

i wanted to play with this meta build now i can't tag enemies lol

[unreal nova]

Go do it anyway, rage at FS.

[grand perch]

the ping thing needs a hot fix

[unreal nova]

If ppl bully you for trying to have your own fun, just fuck 'em.

[tame lodge]

Inferno casually sneaking in

[mighty anvil]

wait does it crash the entire lobbies game??

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Is why Arbites mains spent the morning screaming at vets to not run FT because they want to play dog.

[mighty anvil]

hehehe im sensing some trolling

[unreal nova]

I told them, why don't you not tag instead of demanding others play the way you wanted.

[mighty anvil]

did they get rid of the quickplay option in terminal?

[unreal nova]

They bitched at me about their new paid class and masses.

Or you know, go blame FS for failing to playtest it in the first place.

[unreal nova]

Dunno.

[mighty anvil]

like they completely changed the UI

[unreal nova]

I know that, it's ugly as sin.

[atomic void]

Bottom right

[mighty anvil]

play only pops up if you select a mission

idk what ppl find popular sometimes the mission i select puts me in a lobby myself 😐

[unreal nova]

Don't know which janitor they asked to make the new mission terminal ui.

Or maybe they asked someone who lost their glasses on it, explains the hyper blurry low quality look.

[mighty anvil]

plasma fun

[unreal nova]

Not for me, is a taste thing.

[mighty anvil]

i just need to get my havok achievements

then i can go back to playing auric on some non meta builds

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[mighty anvil]

Is this decent for havoks?

[serene bough]

Yeah

Plasma and DS have always been meta picks

[tall torrent]

unarmored over maniac for plasma rn

[frank basin]

didn't I remember you picked flak that bodyshot?

[magic trout]

Shooting legs? Why unarmored?

[slow spade]

I hate dreg gunners

[mighty anvil]

based

[tall torrent]

yea, unarmored + flak

[mighty anvil]

tthe ds heavy attacks are insane LOL

[serene bough]

Enjoy it before it recieves a nerf

[solar surge]

They did mention they plan on buffing things before they consider nerfs. So who knows.

[mighty anvil]

caused a crash lol

any idea on what the new meta will be?

[solar surge]

Obviously not anything that involves marking enemies. Though it seems like they want everyone to go commando and just melee shit to death.

[wanton vapor]

Recon lasgun

Or bolter

[solar surge]

Recon has always been the meta.

[wanton vapor]

That’s what I’ve been saying

Haven’t seen consistent plasma in months

[tacit sonnet]

bolter is meta for havoc

[mighty anvil]

boltor??

[solar surge]

only reason I don't use Recon is because I don't like the gun, or the feel of it in general. It's also a lasgun I've never really seen in regimental use, and seems a bit too overtuned for a lasgun that's supposed to be on a very low charge.

[crude star]

how are the taxe buffs 2 yall

[wanton vapor]

I just don’t like that the recon lasgun is essentially our lmg lol

[solar surge]

It's not supposed to be, the heavy stubber should've taken that role, but again they gave it to the damn ogryn, but not the human pattern one which is good.

There are drum mags and even top mags for the human pattern heavy stubber, and we don't get either.

[serene bough]

Well they did mention DS and plasma are definitely on their radar for nerfs

Its long overdue tbh

[solar surge]

They did, but they mentioned they plan on buffing things first and see if nerfs are needed. As it stands they are already nerfing the plasma, in a weird way.

They nerfed it's min-max damage output which is weird.

[serene bough]

I dont recall if the leaked plasma changes are official or not

But my understanding is the weapon is so bland and doesn't have any risk or reason to use M2

[solar surge]

From what I've been told if they haven't been released, it's because it was mentioned that they might be withholding it until later.

and by mentioned, I mean speculated.

[serene bough]

Well regardless they both need to be reworked

Especially the dueling sword

[solar surge]

I agree on a rework, but nerfs and buffs are definitely not needed. The entirety of the weapons need some kind of reworking done to make them less useless or less overpowered.

though that's just my opinion.

[serene bough]

Isn't that what a nerf/ buff is

Tuning to make more/ less powerful

[solar surge]

A nerf/buff focuses on already existing qualities and changes them to be either less or more powerful. A rework is when they change the function, or purpose of the weapon entirely and come up with something different but essentially the same because you can't exactly change a lot about how a plasma weapon works.

[serene bough]

Well part of the reason for that is bc the primary fire of plasma is too good whereas the secondary fire isn't good enough

[solar surge]

Though the dueling sword you could definately fully rework, and add different attack patterns, and damage variety. Probably the only weapon they could restart with.

[serene bough]

DS probably isn't going to get too much of a rework

[solar surge]

probably not, but they might change it's attack patterns, because the heavy thrust attack is the most busted thing about it, and nerfing that would essentially make the function of the weapon entirely useless.

[serene bough]

We're it me id nerf uncanny strikes before touching the weapon

[solar surge]

At least, from what I've seen it's a good follow up, and a good mechanic for dishing out heavy headshot damage. They'd need to nerf it into the ground to not make it over powered, and it would make the follow up, and headshot damage not worth using, meaning basic attacks would be its only function and we have the plasma gun all over again.

I legit see people oneshot muties with a good timed heavy thrust.

[serene bough]

Well plasma and DS balance are two separate discussions

Plasma needs less reason to spam M1 and more reason to use M2 while reintroducing risk to compensate for power

DS is just so grossly overturned that it does what a thammer should do at the speed of a knife

[solar surge]

Not sure if they mentioned it in the leak, but they were planning on nerfing the basic attack, but I don't recall anyone saying they would buff the secondary.

Would make the weapon heavily nerfed if they don't buff the secondary.

[serene bough]

Im sure theyre considering

[solar surge]

I hope so.

[serene bough]

Why the primary fire has 100 cleave is beyond me

[solar surge]

One of the reasons I don't use plasma, is it's overall damage output against large enemies is meh compared to other weapons. Even Terminator Space Marines who get hit in the face with a heavy plasma gun, which is something only kasrkins can get will possibly onetap them, and I assume that's on overcharge. So if I'm not at least 2 shotting a damn reaper with 2 overcharges, on at least damnation then I will never touch the gun after the nerf.

[brittle turtle]

the chinese scripts had buffs for the charged plasma attack

[solar surge]

Though maybe I'm being too lenient, I think you can 2 shot a reaper with overcharge headshot. maybe It should be a oneshot.

idk.

[solar surge]

That's good. I hope it's good, because it doesn't do alot of damage to carapace, which is odd, since it's known to melt armor quite easily as it puts holes through space marine armor, even the human pattern ones.

If they remove some of the armor restrictions for overcharge, and maybe nerf some of the armor damage on basic attacks, and maybe amp up the damage a tad bit on overcharge, it might be good. Though I'm no dev, and have no say in it.

[serene bough]

Yeah i mean, it should be a devastating attack

If you give the M2 the cleave of M1 and boost its damage there's more reason to use

Well, m2 already cleaves

[solar surge]

legit overcharge is a risk. I think what should happen is it should oneshot most foes but amp up the heat to around 75%. Because overcharging in tabletop and lore can risk exploding your plasma.

[serene bough]

Just needs better damage profile to nuke things

[solar surge]

I think you can shoot 2 overcharges maybe 3 or 4, haven't used the gun in a while. You should only need 2 overcharges to kill a crusher on damnation, maybe one for a reaper, this is mainly for headshots of course, and the heat should amp from 0 to 75 to reduce spamming the overcharge, and make it devastating enough that it's worth the risk.

Though that's just my opinion.

[serene bough]

I feel like M2 should one shot everything that isn't a monstro

[solar surge]

I do as well, but that might make it a bit busted.

[serene bough]

In addition to adding risk back to the gun, howveer that happens

[serene bough]

Its fine cant be more busted than other classes atm

[solar surge]

Plus I hate how the head of the reaper counts as unyielding. Makes no sense.

at best it should count as maniac.

[serene bough]

I remember when plasma used to do HP damage

[solar surge]

does it not?

[serene bough]

Does toughness damage

Used to directly bleed your hp

[solar surge]

ah yes, you mean before that.

yes I remember that.

If only sienna had something like that, or maybe bardin.

[serene bough]

Wouldn't mind reintroducimg that for spamming M1

And let manual venting just do toughness hp

[solar surge]

If they do that then m1 would at least have to oneshot anything in flak or unarmored that of course has low hp so it doesn't one tap scab ragers.

that means even if it skims them.

I've seen scabs eat shots because it skims them.

if I got skimmed by plasma, my arm is either useless or gone, and since he ain't no ogryn or space marine, he might as well die from shock or the pain.

Though again, tis only my opinion.

doubt they'd have the coding skills to do that, since they ran into a problem with chainswords, and melee weapons not properly connecting to the hitboxes, and it still happens from time to time when hitting the right angle.

though chainswords had it much worse.

Only thing I can say is, I believe it'll be worth using, but it won't be perfect. I have mild faith in FS to do us some good. ... Sometimes.

[surreal mountain]

Are shotguns worth running on Vet now

[mighty anvil]

ur not wrong

These Arbites grossly overtuned

[steep flower]

They were worth using before even

[solar surge]

indeed, compared to other classes they definately put more thought into them. I feel like full reworks of at least the talent trees is warranted for the other classes.

well maybe not ogryn, but psyker, and vet are in shits creek right now.

[steep flower]

There was some hinted info that zealot tree rework will be next but unsure

[steep flower]

Psyker does not need changes; zealot is in the worst shape actually now

Vet does need some tuning but its fine atm

[solar surge]

really? I see zealot do some wild shit when you have lightning fast gamer reflexes. Meanwhile a psyker can very much get shit on in the right moment if he's alone.

[steep flower]

Zel is like… 1 path all the time

[steep flower]

We are talking about talent trees

[solar surge]

Well yes, the zealot is just one tree. So I guess I agree. Though I feel like the psykers could use some branch rework if not a full rework.

They have some dumb filler shit in the psyker tree that no one uses half the time. Like the staff bonuses.

[steep flower]

Oh if it is the case of survivability; thats mainly skill issue my friend

[solar surge]

True, though I feel psyker's could use some changes in their tree. A full rework is not warranted I guess.

[steep flower]

They have a use in some builds; they are not popular as such cause they ain’t simple

[solar surge]

It is kind of funny that they nerfed the Empowered Psionics, I could've sworn it was permanent and now it has charges.

Though I know it is for good reason.

[steep flower]

Can’t recall being permanent; what nerf?

[solar surge]

My mind is fuzzy on the details, but I remember Empowered Psionics not having charges, or at least being a normal talent and not a purple talent that buffed the blitz abilities.

Can't remember which exactly.

[steep flower]

Ahh old news; i thought they changed something now

[midnight wyvern]

not really getting an answer in arbites class lol, but is there a known fix or mod for fixing the crashing when switching loadouts?

[solar surge]

Yeah it is old news, I was just surprised after a year or two of not playing it.

Though I can see why they did.

[solar surge]

Never had that issue. are you running mods?

[solar surge]

If you're using mods, one of them could be causing the crash if they are outdated. Though I've not experienced this personally.

[midnight wyvern]

they exist but they're not currently toggled on

figured they'd be broken due to patch, so didn't bother enabling

[solar surge]

I've had crashes even when they are not on. The code for them being in the game can cause crashes. Though I'm not entirely certain if this is a bug related to mods or possibly related to the graphics card issues they claimed to have fixed.

[midnight wyvern]

[Engine Error]: Access violation (0xc0000005) in build 8e153e861cab6eb3f5e0c6176bcab03e59bf6f9b
accessing address 0000000000000000 from 00007FF640D0DB9C

is what it gives me

[solar surge]

when you say "toggled on" you removed them from the mod loader "text file" correct?

[midnight wyvern]

no, there is the runnable thing in the darktide folder that patches darktide to run mods

[solar surge]

It's best to make sure the text file doesn't have any mods on it so it doesn't load the code for any of the outdated ones.

[midnight wyvern]

so it says

[tall torrent]

not official

[midnight wyvern]

aight

[tall torrent]

agripinaa VII is ok

[solar surge]

Sent you a personal message of the mods I believe work incase you are worried it's some bot.

The amount of random friend requests I get from bots irritate me.

[agile reef]

Is there an 'Ogrynomicon' for veteran weapons? Something that shows best marks, blessings, & builds with them?

[dry cloak]

there is a guide in the pins

[agile reef]

Appreciate you

[solar surge]

In the pins you want the HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR, one.

because I think there is 2.

2 different guides.

[mighty anvil]

100% agree

[analog timber]

when will mods be back up does anyone know?

[solar surge]

they are working, only some aren't. Some will crash your game. If you have a modlist, check the nexus for updates. I am currently running several mods from my list without crashing.

[analog timber]

ok nice thanks mate

[mighty anvil]

all my mods have been working, granted only needed to update two mods

[analog timber]

sent ya a pm mate about the mods if thats all good, dont want to blow this chat up

[tall torrent]

helbore might actually just be the best veteran gun
unironically

[torn gorge]

why unironically

mk3a had good already breakpoints

they just upped most adm

[tall torrent]

because normally if I say helbore is the best veteran gun people assume I'm trolling

[torn gorge]

way better ammo economy

than plasma

[tall torrent]

no no

they buffed it to a point where

it does essentially the same exact thing ogryn's heavy stubber (achlys) does

just with 100x better ammo econ

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

it's also less dedicated spec than recon while being more ammo efficient

and can stagger specialists if u don't get the 1 hit kill

way better range

[torn gorge]

falter

[tall torrent]

falter actually matters on it

I think the best one is 3a / 4

both are very good

top 1~2

comes down to preference imo

this is mk IIIa

unarmored + maniac

[torn gorge]

i like 3a because of ammo economy and its a bodyshot 1 tap fiesta on non ogryns/maulers until very high havoc

4 its more of a dedicated role

but ofc has better scaling breakpoints

[mighty anvil]

can you tell me what rolls/perks/stats I should farm for

[tall torrent]

my preference is IIIa, unarmored + maniac, surgical + falter
stability dump
u will need both shock trooper and superiority complex (for the best breakpoints)

unarmored gives dreg gunner crit 1hs and tox bomber 1hs in max havoc scaling (this only matters for havoc)

[torn gorge]

those are 2 points you can take easily from elsewhere tbh

[tall torrent]

maniac gives both flamer crit 1hs

unyielding also ok, makes reaper 3hs more consistent

but I think with falter, since u can break their volley in 1hs, it's not as big of a deal unless u specifically need to shoot other unyielding enemies with gun often

also u can just crit more

[torn gorge]

just shoot slower

[mighty anvil]

oh i gotta aim

yeah no

[tall torrent]

yes

unlike recon, this gun (similar to plasma) actually cares about headshots

[torn gorge]

the only difference with heavy stubber is that the achlys is on a better platform (ogryn) and also does not have obnoxious rails

[tall torrent]

it has obnoxious recoil and RNG spread, instead of "sight rails"

[mighty anvil]

i really dont want to use recon lasgun

but when* they nerf plasma that looks to be the next best thing

[torn gorge]

well they may bump up other options

its about time vigilant guns become playable

for example

or we could get melta/long las

oh btw @tall torrent how you feel about the other vet getting a much better identity of a shock troop?

[placid portal]

hellbor users, how fast is that swap speed, it seems it got a 1.5x speed multiplier

[tall torrent]

I think helbore is already top 1~2

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11780450977371978337/EBAE09E6ECBA3ACB7EEA70D96323D3D4341C7D33/

[mighty anvil]

requires too much skill

[tall torrent]

arbites pretty fun
tho their weapon choices kinda more limited if u pick smth that really sucks in 1 area

I was using arbites maul and it's like
u REALLY need a gun that handles unyielding for u

and there aren't that many of them

[steep flower]

I personally dont use shock trooper; not needed if you micromanage well

[tall torrent]

it's moreso for a massive boost in mag size

[steep flower]

They are; just the recoil needs to be tuned down andctge gun will be actually considered

[tall torrent]

u can pretty easily go from like

18 fullcharge shots between reloads

to ~26

[steep flower]

Boltgun, agri revolver

[tall torrent]

yea, all of these come with pretty notable downsides

it's not like u can just pick any and have it do everything

[steep flower]

It is nice but shock troopers primarily role was to conserve ammo and helbore is quite alright in that field

[tall torrent]

the one I ended up going for is slug shotgun

[steep flower]

Like every weapon should Perfectly Balanced

[tall torrent]

arbites left keystone prob needs to be tuned down a little

[steep flower]

Yeah forgot about Cshotguns having high dmg vs unyielding

[tall torrent]

it's a bit too good

[steep flower]

Speaking of too good; what are your thoughts on ‚True Grit’ talent?

[tall torrent]

really strong

maybe a bit too strong

but also like

u sorta just

don't need it outside of havoc

[steep flower]

Expected; its busted imo, should be tuned down - basically almost as good as ‚Until Death’ for zealot

[tall torrent]

it's not "almost as good"

it's better

[steep flower]

In some areas but ppl would die more to poor positioning & getting gunned down than from an overhead

As far as i’ve seen

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14505765226012214275/CB692499DE9ECD060BE9BE159872A66DAC79A66F/

[steep flower]

Thats why ‚Until Death’ > ‚True Grit’

[tall torrent]

arbites maul

[steep flower]

Very good moveset

I’m kinda miffed about special tho but i might need to look more into it

[tall torrent]

it's a really cool weapon

basically

for combos

always use special if the combo uses a light attack

[steep flower]

Oh btw; the talent that counts as staggered on weakspot; does this make ANY melee after give me toughness on that one talent that gives it upon staggering melee attacks?

[tall torrent]

what special does
it does the next light attack in combo chain, but with activated property
if it hits a staggered enemy, it'll activate electrocution DoT which actually has pretty good dmg

[tall torrent]

idk check kuli's guides

also

"the emperor's fist" talent

must pick

100%

non-negotiable

[steep flower]

If it does its ogryn tier broken

[placid portal]

YESS FINALLY

[steep flower]

Cause it will always work

I pressume

[solar mortar]

guys i have a funny bug for you

if you press your ability button while playing Vet you crash the server

anyone know how to not make it crash the server?

[steep flower]

Don’t play vet

[solar mortar]

Or am i the only one with this silliness

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

Can’t tell, haven’t played yet

[solar mortar]

I'm assuming it has something to do with my specific talent setup

That being said I haven't seen anyone else play vet yet because everyone is stuck playing arbites

I crashed the servers with error code 2014 a good few times before I realized I was the one doing it lmao.

[stiff glacier]

finally

got the beret

[grand perch]

That is exactly the same cosmetics i use on my recon build

Person above me has great taste confirmed

[grand perch]

It's focus targets yellow ping

[solar mortar]

omg you serious?

You mean Enhanced Target Priority?

[grand perch]

Focus target keystone

[steep flower]

Man

[solar mortar]

Executioner Stance?

[steep flower]

I will write plainly; At the bottom of the talent tree in the middle; purple circles, got it?

[solar mortar]

I am not using Focus target though

[steep flower]

Perplexing

[solar mortar]

Now that I look at it there's an ability called focus target ye, but no I am not using that one

https://i.imgur.com/DNcJwiC.png

Here's my talent tree I suppose

My guess it has to do with me playing with anyone playing Arbites

As I am searching through the discord, there's people talking about it

[grand perch]

I was only aware of focus target causing the crash together with Arbites dog ping

Enhanced target priority might trigger the same issue

[solar mortar]

Yeah, I suppose

that's a real bummer

[grand perch]

Both are overlays on the enemy. Try not using that

[solar mortar]

Guess it's time to wait for a patch to fix it

Or avoid getting put in lobbies with Arbites

[zinc hare]

I've been a little into the Arbites hype but has anyone tried out the new Helbore tweaks?

Ive always been an an enjoyer of them, wonder if the new tweaks help them a lot

[open ravine]

The hellbore feels good but the heavy version's special is sticky and not great to use

[zinc hare]

Hm. Will have to cook. Used to have a full dedicated elite sniper build with it

[open ravine]

I wonder how long before the base classes start cycling back into the fold

[daring sage]

how are the hellbore buffs?

[wanton vapor]

Probably around a week? Enough time for most people to max the class out and decide if they wanna keep playing as them or nah

[zinc hare]

I am going to try it out later

[willow tendon]

what is actually the hellbore's specialty and how do you use it

[tall torrent]

1 headshot gunners and flamers

[zinc hare]

Pre change I could also onetap reapers and crushers so like

[daring sage]

wait you can no longer do that?

[tall torrent]

u can

[zinc hare]

I have no idea

[tall torrent]

it's always required meme build

not smth worth going for most of the time

[zinc hare]

But I could then so it's pretty decent

[grand perch]

And anything else if you run MMF

[zinc hare]

MMF?

[daring sage]

hmm might be fun, for normal damnation

[zinc hare]

I get lost with all these acronyms sometimes

[grand perch]

Marksmans focus. Left keystone

[zinc hare]

Ahhh yes

[normal bay]

So Focus target can crash the game now?

[zinc hare]

I use that for full sniper

[willow tendon]

so like similar to bolt pistol but with more ammo?

[daring sage]

way more ammo and you need to charge shots

[tall torrent]

boltpistol can't 1hs those guys in havoc scaling without meme build

helbore can, without meme build

[daring sage]

its also no longer a broken melee weapon

saddest change they made

[zinc hare]

That's another thing I can clear missions without ever needing to pick up ammo

With no ammo from crit las shots and the ammo aura

[willow tendon]

what do you use for melee

[zinc hare]

Power sword just because it's ol reliable

[daring sage]

i still use combat axe with brutal momentum for everything

[zinc hare]

Also what's a good build for a bolter the new skin makes my brain happy

[daring sage]

i am so tempted to spend way too much on skins

[zinc hare]

I already have

Got the full saltzpyre set for zealot and two weapon skins

Plus the deluxe Arbites

[willow tendon]

what would be the talent build for hellbore?

[zinc hare]

I have no idea how good mine is but when i can get to the computer I'll show you what I use. I don't play havoc so can't comment on the effectiveness there but it has done well enough on aurics before the changes so it'd be better now

[shut orbit]

With how rending works, isn't it pretty much useless for stuff like the combat axe that already have 100%+ damage against carapace?

[heavy rover]

I will stand by this and call the helbore S tier

[daring sage]

okay trying this next

[frank ledge]

Temporary Solution for error 2014
My friend was suffering from mysterious and constant error 2014 after the Arbites update. I'm posting this here to signal boost my discovery.

TL/DR: Veteran special tagging is causing the server to crash.

The Details:
If a Veteran with either the Focus Target Keystone and/or the Executioner Stance tags an enemy and an Arbites' hound pounces on it, the server has no idea how to process this interaction and will literally crash, aborting the mission.

For now, avoid specialty tagging as a Veteran and everything seems to be okay.

[grand perch]

using rashad combat axe, heavy strikedown attacks as an exmaple. crits and critical weakspot hits have over 1 ADM against carapace. non-crits do not, theyre closer to 0.9 ADM. meaning if you add 10% rending, you get to 1 ADM and do full damage with non-crit attacks

[zinc hare]

I look forward to trying it when I can get on the PC

[grand perch]

any rending that goes over 1 ADM is converted into damage at a rate of 25%. so with crit rashad hits against armor, which already has more than 1 ADM, you get 2.5% extra damage from rending strikes, for example

[shut orbit]

Does rending still affect damage types outside of Flak/Carapace? Or did it get changed at some point?

[grand perch]

Flak Cara Maniac and unyielding are all affected by rending

[shut orbit]

Rashad lists 99.3 on heavies against carapace, is that right? Or are the stats shown under Penetration just for crits?

[zinc hare]

aight time to helbore cook

godamn

even without executioners stance i onetap reapers with a headshot

[heavy rover]

welcome to helbore gaming 🤝

[grand perch]

In all honesty I'm not 100% sure how the penetration stat factures in here. I've looked at my rashad with 80 in penetration and compared the numbers in the damage table

[zinc hare]

and i just tweaked my talents a bit to get to the ogryn damage buff so i should also oneshot crushers now

[wanton plume]

how is the recon lasgun vs columnus autogun?

[daring sage]

can anyone share their hellbore build

[daring sage]

okay my verdict

heavy hellbore still ass

having charge + long pull out time is just never going to be good imo

unless they significantly buff the bayonet attack

[daring sage]

okay what am i doing wrong and would you mind sharing your build

[grand perch]

Long swap time? Try aiming or shooting before the animation finishes

[daring sage]

what mk are you guys using

[grand perch]

4

[daring sage]

maybe i should try a normal mission and not mortis

but the server keeps crashing lol

[daring sage]

and what talents

i have this now

[lament venture]

Does Beret make men lose hair or just my game going banana?

[grand perch]

It is well known berets eat hair lines

[daring sage]

yeah its a bug apparently they will probably hot fix that proetty quickly

[grand perch]

Ew you stepped into longshot

[daring sage]

shoudl i do close order instead or

[tall torrent]

do NOT take top left talents

[grand perch]

Abandon the left tree at the top completely. Go one motion > out for blood instead

[willow tendon]

which one is that

[lament venture]

Why not longshot? Genuine question.

[tall torrent]

it's abysmal dogshit

[daring sage]

is killzone or opening salvo better?

[grand perch]

Alternatively go through middle top. Also take off 8 stacks focus target and put it in bring it down instead. Much better boss value

[willow tendon]

it starts doing literally anything at 12.5m and becomes fully effective at 30

[lament venture]

That's explained it.

[daring sage]

yeah i missclicked demolition team and meant to take bring it down oops

[grand perch]

Mostly kill zone but opening salvo has uses on builds that get added value from extra crit

[tall torrent]

killzone is better but it's still not great
opening salvo is pretty bad because 95%+ the time u can get 5% crit node from right side for the same 1 point cost that works all the time and helps melee too

[willow tendon]

does hellbore even get anything out of exe stance

apart from boss damage ig

[tall torrent]

right now, I'm not super sure

[sonic kayak]

Instant swap time when you activate it for one

[tall torrent]

it would save u a few points for 1 tap breakpoints

[daring sage]

hmm i should try it with voice of command

[unreal nova]

Crashes. Lul.

[heavy rover]

I use mk III. You can ditch longshot. I suggest also adding Bring It Down

[daring sage]

okay changed it up to

[heavy rover]

If you're not using armourbane I suggest using that too

Also correction I use the mk III with surgical and armourbane

[willow siren]

How are the buffed shotguns on vet?

[sonic kayak]

[daring sage]

oh the blessing?

[grand perch]

Don't skip out for blood at the top right

[heavy rover]

As for the perks I'm still figuring it out myself. In my opinion, it's pretty dependent on what you want out of it. For something focused on anti ranged and anti specialist, I've been running flak and maniac. If you want to focus on anti-boss and anti-crusher, I think carapace and unyielding could work

[grand perch]

It's sooooooo good

Also please change covering fire for grenade tinkerer

[unreal nova]

It's honestly better for AoE builds.

[tall torrent]

unarmored maniac for hb3a
surgical
falter/hotshot/WoF

[heavy rover]

Ah I see

[daring sage]

oh that was a mistake i actually have the right one

[heavy rover]

I'll swap to those then

[daring sage]

deadshot is not worth it right?

[heavy rover]

For helbore? No, imo

Unless you want something crazy like the mk V with weight of fire

[unreal nova]

If you make single precise shots, maybe. But for that gun is mostly to quickly force crits.

[willow tendon]

what does falter effectively do?

[unreal nova]

Stop things from shooting back at you from memory.

It's basically to help with a stagger breakpoint.

[grand perch]

If stagger BPs haven't changed, mk3 helbore gets some nice easy staggers on crusher and others, if memory serves

[unreal nova]

They asked about falter. Papa knows more but I know it's for a stagger breakpoint, just forgot which.

[grand perch]

And I am talking about falter

[unreal nova]

All I remember was you need it to bully something instead of being bullied by it.

[elder vessel]

I feckin got it gamersssss

[grand perch]

It's blue (da be dee da be dei)

[daring sage]

okay this is miles better than what i had

still not fully convinced (iron sights still suck)

[willow tendon]

There are weapon customization mods to slap a sight on as well as fov change mod none of which probably work right now

[raw needle]

@tall torrent hi path do you know if lethal prox affects shredders?

[tall torrent]

Yes (shredder frag grenade)

[raw needle]

ty

[tall torrent]

Still waiting for them to fix broken mesh streaming for Linux

And the vostroyan helbore skin having misaligned sight

[grand perch]

Thank god they fixed it

[daring sage]

is the patch out

[tame lodge]

Should be

[willow siren]

Has the buffs to the combat shotguns made then good? I love them so dearly

[steep flower]

They always have been alright; just… missused and having not a proper build to utilize their strenghts

[unreal nova]

Is nice, some say a little tone deaf on what ppl actually wanted.

[steep flower]

But in general yes

[willow siren]

Neat

[willow siren]

How so

The arby shotguns feel good but I dont vibe with the class itself. Something jsut doesn't click.

[unreal nova]

One of them barely got a buff. The main issue was the clunky special.

It doesn't work with WS and well, forces a manual reload each shot to keep shooting. Ppl wanted it to be more like a toggle.

[willow siren]

Ah

So like being able to swap agri into a slug shotgun kinda deal

[unreal nova]

More, you can toggle into only slug mode for 13 shots.

I didn't check if it changed or not since I have it on my Zel.

[tall torrent]

mk7 is ok now

[faint beacon]

Damn not even Flak?

Unarmored + Maniac is the official go too

[tall torrent]

u can 1hs non-crit scab gunner with just superiority complex

[bleak oasis]

How's executioner's stance and infiltrate on auric/havoc?
I feel like all roads lead to shoutbox and yellow toughness

[faint beacon]

Damn

Alright

[candid agate]

the new veteran store cosmetics are absolute peak

[tall torrent]

I genuinely think helbore IIIa and IV are top 1~2 ranged weapons for veteran rn

and when they fix vostroyan skin for helbore it'll be even better

[tiny summit]

Which is which? Still havent committed to the new mark numbers

[tall torrent]

IIIa is old mk1
IV is old mk3

[tiny summit]

Ah. Last time I was playing, I started mostly using the mk2

[tame lodge]

All roads lead to yelling really loud yeah

Just on a good spot on the tree

[tall torrent]

the bug: https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11297484157772499387/C12E30DF0A5D5AE1003A93F4C7DE8AF5EB72F7EB/

[tame lodge]

And gold toughness being broken

[bleak oasis]

Trying to use executioner's stance with the recon lasgun on auric against hordes of ranged mobs and gunners, and I feel like it only ever works when they're already preoccupied shooting something else