veteran-class

[grand perch]

Disrespecting the taxe. I'll have you know I have the power of the emperor and the IRS on my side

[uncut pebble]

Like, really cool that they're buffing these weapons, still don't understand what the buff is, and I'm sure 90% of the community (or more) dont either.

[grand perch]

... My phone wanted to turn IRS into IRA

[sweet harness]

is ds going to still be meta after update or something taking its place?

[uncut pebble]

DS will likely, unfortunately, still be meta.

Just due to the existence of uncanny strike, thrust, etc.

Extreme single target dmg weapon will stay that way.

Anywho, rejoice, for combat shotguns and eviscerators are not going to be completely unusable anymore!

(combat shotguns were usable but they're gonna be way better now)

[young fern]

zealout clout

[pure vigil]

🧢

[young fern]

Using it in the wrong way

[crude star]

taxe is nice, it's good that its getting faster and more carapace

[pure vigil]

taxe op

[young fern]

Taxe is already good
Doesn't sucks

[frank ledge]

Power is damage, cleave and pen

[young fern]

Melee psyker way better than zealot

[uncut pebble]

Weapons that rely on blessings for basic functionality are stinky and taxe has kinda low base damage.

So yeah, taxe kinda sucks.

[young fern]

1.1k kills on psyker easily with fs gs and triple out damaging everyone

[uncut pebble]

I never said it wasn't?

I said zealout has the most good melee options and psyker has the least.

Key word there, "options."

[young fern]

Who's zealout

It's zealot

[uncut pebble]

Cry about it.

The point got across.

[young fern]

Nobody cares

[uncut pebble]

Boo womp, quit ragebaiting.

[young fern]

Stop the capping

[uncut pebble]

I know what power is, in game, but that still doesn't tell me what those multipliers refer to in fatshark's patch notes.

[young fern]

If you say taxe is not good you're the one trolling

[young fern]

Psyker has the most

[uncut pebble]

Because,

1. we don't know what those numbers were before
   and
2. we don't know what those numbers do

[young fern]

Banned from the dorns server cause noob

[uncut pebble]

Again, really cool that they're buffing stuff, still doesn't tell me what it does or how much it actually affects the gameplay of the weapon.

[uncut pebble]

Dorn is a shitlord, idgaf.

[frank ledge]

We still don't have the patch notes so it's for all intends and purposes not a thing

[young fern]

Crying

[pure vigil]

taxe with assault type better than knife calling it now

[frank ledge]

But they pushed it to the test servers and it was good

[uncut pebble]

By "patch notes" I was referring to this.

That balance overview thing like 2 weeks ago or so.

[frank ledge]

Some changes that were done during the press period aren't there

As an example dogs no longer auto target busters

So I'd take them as hearsay at best

[uncut pebble]

I know, changes were def not set in stone back then.

[frank ledge]

For all we know DS could remain as is

[uncut pebble]

But the point remains, what are power level multipliers?

[frank ledge]

If Cole is to be believed, power

[uncut pebble]

The negative reviews won't change if they backpedal, they should commit and nerf it into the ground.

[young fern]

Frog x lumii

How's ur bf

[frank ledge]

I'm saving this

[young fern]

As wallpaper

[pure vigil]

nah but sustained assault decimator taxe is fucked

[tame lodge]

Always been usable

[pure vigil]

saying "lol it doesn't count because it's bad without blessings" is just

? like what

[uncut pebble]

I never said that.

I said it relies on a blessing, being bm.

[thorn lark]

always was 💀

[uncut pebble]

Without it, you can't cleave shit lmao.

[pure vigil]

.

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-cumming-so-much-for-controlling-narrative-gif-16004277

[uncut pebble]

@pure vigil

[pure vigil]

I don't use bm

bm over rated

af

lmao

[frank ledge]

BM on it's way to fall off in havoc

[young fern]

[thorn lark]

You can do fine without BM on a taxe. You cannot on a caxe.

[uncut pebble]

Havoc is where breakpoints go to die, after all.

[frank ledge]

Unless it's the new taxe, allegedly

Cole was three shotting stuff, allegedly

I'm sure it was some sort of buff

[uncut pebble]

Feels much, much worse to use a taxe without bm on it, though.

[pure vigil]

no

[young fern]

Exactly

[uncut pebble]

Regardless, y'all are glazing taxe way, way too much. It's not a great weapon.

[pure vigil]

this is peak

its amazing

its awesome and i love it

[thorn lark]

Yesterday I did a run with another taxe zealot. None of us had BM. We did 80% of the melee dmg.

[young fern]

[young fern]

It's strong taxe

[thorn lark]

the horde clear is slower, that's true

[uncut pebble]

Your teammates must be slacking, then.

[thorn lark]

you cannot just compete with BM

[young fern]

Taxe buffs weren't needed for how strong was already

[tame lodge]

💀

💀

[thorn lark]

but as a zealot if you're always on the frontline, you don't really have to compete :0

[tame lodge]

💀 💀 💀

[young fern]

[pure vigil]

like

one sec

[frank ledge]

This is bait.

[thorn lark]

Actually, no. And I ran taxe without BM for the last 2 weeks. And it's fine lol. I trade less horde clear for more single target dmg

[frank ledge]

We should collectively stop talking to the bait user and instead talk about nosh

https://tenor.com/view/meow-meow-leopard-aaaaaaa-gif-15274218662235561285

[uncut pebble]

I don't think Keet is baiting but the other 2 def are.

Like the Dorn grubs they are.

[frank ledge]

Keet isn't baiting, keet never baits

[uncut pebble]

🚬

[pure vigil]

????????

[thorn lark]

I am too old to bait

that's long gone now

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brooks-hatlen-the-shawshank-redemption-is-that-so-disappointed-gif-23667336

[young fern]

Bait exactly what

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[thorn lark]

😮

[pure vigil]

what is taxe bad at?

like my only complaint is its really short reach

[young fern]

These people prob use ds4 and still go down

[frank ledge]

You cannot hide from me

[uncut pebble]

Cleave, and it doesn't excel at anything either.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah they're a Dorn grub.

If you only knew why I was actually banned.

:)

[frank ledge]

3 target cap, low base damage, multipliers aren't the best only thing it has going for it is crit fishing

[pure vigil]

thats not a reply

[frank ledge]

compared to a very similar weapon called caxe

[uncut pebble]

Good thing it wasn't directed at you.

[thorn lark]

well the 3 target cap is not much of a problem if you use BM

[frank ledge]

It is when you don't meet breakpoints in havoc

[pure vigil]

you dont even need bm

[frank ledge]

[thorn lark]

you also have good mobility, good crit dmg, insane stagger

[uncut pebble]

Caxe has the same issue taxe has of low cleave but it actually excels at single target damage.

[thorn lark]

they think it's a problem

[uncut pebble]

Mfw I learn caxe has .001 cleave on light attacks:

[young fern]

Yes

[thorn lark]

true but caxe, well the rashad, is a but overtuned

[crimson pebble]

antax will be a sleeper on arbites w 75+ cleave on push

[uncut pebble]

I was using achlys earlier and it didnt feel much different from using rashad, just one more hoop to jump through for horde clear.

[crude star]

it's entirely carried by brutal momentum, huh

[young fern]

They probably struggle winning with ds4 as well
And then they say taxe is weak

[uncut pebble]

In fact I actually kinda like achlys more than rashad after sitting down and using it.

[frank ledge]

You are a veteran, VoC is off cooldown 24/7 so stagger is meh
Mobility is true but not much noticeable, it's a 0.10 movespeed difference with caxe which doesn't get you over 5.4 which allows you to just run away from most angle checks
Agreed on good crit multiplier

[uncut pebble]

Dorn opinion, again, keep talking Dorn grub.

[pure vigil]

taxe can 2 shot a mutant at h40

[thorn lark]

We don't always play voc

[pure vigil]

how is that bad

[uncut pebble]

300% melee damage taken

[mild hill]

frog why do you keep bringing up dorn?

it’s kinda weird

[frank ledge]

Veteran not playing voc? imposible

[thorn lark]

If I use exec I like having that

[frank ledge]

It is not possible

[young fern]

He obsessed

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-gif-5440327

[pure vigil]

lol

like i said before

[uncut pebble]

Cause this turd is a Dorn grub.

[pure vigil]

its not a reply

[pure vigil]

what does this even mean

[mild hill]

and why is that relevant rn

[young fern]

Legit same thoughts

[uncut pebble]

Mutants take a significant amount more melee damage, saying "I can one or two shot a mutant" doesn't really mean anything when it comes to melee.

[thorn lark]

Mobility is true but not much noticeable, it's a 0.10 movespeed difference with caxe which doesn't get you over 5.4 which allows you to just run away from most angle checks > try H1 slide with the MK7/2

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-snark-who-up-who-meme-gif-18406141753525215082

[pure vigil]

lol?

[uncut pebble]

I can oneshot a mutant in h40 with a force greatsword but that's not important because most every melee can.

[pure vigil]

this is true

[crude star]

taxe is getting a sprint speed buff tho

[young fern]

Exactly
But he needs to counter fight when he's wrong

[frank ledge]

Chaxe>taxe

[pure vigil]

i stand by my word.

chaxe is fucking kino

[young fern]

I seen frog in game and does down all the time

[slow sky]

the light weapon is finally getting a light weapon movement profile

[uncut pebble]

Chaxe do be a cool weapon.

[young fern]

Pointless arguing

[pure vigil]

taxe can like 3-4 shot a reaper

lmao

[thorn lark]

don't forget chaxe is the big loser this time

[slow sky]

why it didnt have that
only fatshark knows

[uncut pebble]

I have legit never played with you lmao.

[thorn lark]

no chaxe on arbites and no target cap removed

[pure vigil]

nah chaxe is kino

always will be

[uncut pebble]

If you wanna insult me then actually play a game with me.

[slow sky]

chaxe is a bad weapon because i said so

[sly orchid]

Rare bijou in maincord

[uncut pebble]

Cole can because he has seen me get pancaked like 8 times before.

[young fern]

This is what you think

[frank ledge]

Checks out

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956315705232457791/1328329680578674738/pokes_you.gif

[crude star]

i like using small weapons OR power sword on vet

[pure vigil]

2024

\

good REDDIT detective here

[young fern]

Which insults
Going down is a fact
It is not an insult

[uncut pebble]

4/5 on auric storm survivor and the BoN belly flops for no fucking reason and throws me off the edge:

[slow sky]

remember when we just casually duoed an auric mael while you were getting ASS

[frank ledge]

There is no evidence you have tried taxe since then, 90% of your posts are cats, therefore

Your honor this person must try taxe on stream

[thorn lark]

maybe if the code was not name ninjafencer but assault or light the intern doin QC would not have missed it

[pure vigil]

what does this even mean

[slow sky]

the internal names are fucked

[uncut pebble]

It legit wasn't even hard lmao, you dc'd like 9 times.

[pure vigil]

do i need EVIDENCE now

[frank ledge]

I love the great name change

[pure vigil]

??

wowzers

lmao

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-atmey-codymoc-junkord-troll-ace-attorney-gif-20374495

[pure vigil]

chaxe is the best weapon in the game tho

i will fight you on that

[thorn lark]

heavies on achlys shoudl be better, especially h2 it's slower and does less dmg than rashad heavies

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, taxe currently a poor performer in comparison to other weapons, hopefully it is as good as yall say it is with the buffs incoming.

[slow sky]

no

you dont understand

[crimson pebble]

u still use the wrong mk

[slow sky]

the internal names for things besides weapon names are fucked

[crude star]

that is a common thing in gamedev for some reason

[uncut pebble]

I don't much feel a difference in the damage the heavies deal, but I do quite enjoy the h1 being a sweep.

[slow sky]

shotgun p4m2 makes sense
pattern 4 (arbites shotgun) mark 2 (mk8)

[crude star]

stuff like keeping typos consistent across calls

[frank ledge]

Did a shark of smaller dimensions go into the files and add an extra hyphen just to mess with file pathing?

[thorn lark]

yeah, that's cool, I like the H1 sweep

[young fern]

Frog uses ds4 and chorus to rank in havoc

[pure vigil]

no i dont

:p

[young fern]

Crazy

[thorn lark]

4*2=8

PROBLEM SOLVED

[uncut pebble]

The hitbox on the h1 sweep is also quite generous, I was aiming a good bit above the heads of enemies while playing my vet (he is a manlet and its hard to hit headshots as a manlet) and was still cleaving perfectly fine.

[crude star]

all my characters are min height

[uncut pebble]

I don't use duelling sword in havocs and I play scriers only now.

Checkmate, dingus.

[slow sky]

finesse_boost in the code only affects the weakspot boost
why is it called finesse if the finesse damage variable is in reference to crit AND weakspot
good question!

[young fern]

During old havoc

[thorn lark]

I'd like H1 and H2 as sweep heavies with cleave tbh

[uncut pebble]

Old havoc, yeah, I used chorus.

[young fern]

Checkmate

[young fern]

Cause nooba

I use evis in new havoc

[uncut pebble]

Oh no, someone doesn't like the cbt gamemode being extra cbt!

[young fern]

Shredder

[crude star]

that kinda thing sounds like they just kept random mid-development names for stuff while changing ideas around along the way

[grand perch]

Honestly that sounds like the kind of shit going on in our dev department

[uncut pebble]

DS is overtuned as shit so I didn't use it.

In fact, last time I did use it, I used it on a CIVI because I forgot to switch to dclaw and I got called the f slur.

[thorn lark]

that sounds the kind of shit going on in every dev department tbh

[uncut pebble]

Thank you random pubber psyker for calling me an f slur, I will never forget that altercation.

[young fern]

[crude star]

i've only met one salty player so far

[grand perch]

Frog?

[young fern]

He said the slur

[uncut pebble]

T*ad...

[grand perch]

Oh sh-

[crude star]

frag

[young fern]

Grenade

[pure vigil]

you remember the funny @young fern the funny gamer haha

[tame lodge]

So....

Did y'all get to the part where brutal momentumless Taxe is just shitty Dueling Sword?

Or?

[uncut pebble]

I wasn't gonna say it, but yeah, this.

[crude star]

hatchets are more stylish

[grand perch]

Wat

[thorn lark]

what

[slow sky]

burninating

[uncut pebble]

That.

[tame lodge]

[thorn lark]

why do you want to hit afro people?

[uncut pebble]

Is one of the coding projects of all time.

[thorn lark]

fatshard confirmed racist

[frank ledge]

I knew my afro wearing character was immune to hits for a reason

[tame lodge]

Ok
Tin foil hat on

[grand perch]

He was too disco

[tame lodge]

Buffing Taxe and nerfing DS is a ploy by Big Fat

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-zombie-gif-16783530443923062332

[tame lodge]

To sell you more taxe skins

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/retro-retro-disco-dancing-gif-26065193

[tame lodge]

Tinfoil hat off

[uncut pebble]

No, no, put it back on, I totally didn't put super glue in it this time.

[young fern]

Yes

[pure vigil]

funny gamer hahasdgadf

[frank ledge]

That's an alt.

It all makes sense now

[young fern]

What alt

[uncut pebble]

Bijou and Bampu are the same person, confirmed.

It all makes sense now...

[pure vigil]

?

[pure vigil]

I've been here longer than you.

[uncut pebble]

☝️ 🤓

[pure vigil]

yea nice you

youre uhm

actually

my alt

yeah.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11780450977371978337/EBAE09E6ECBA3ACB7EEA70D96323D3D4341C7D33/
post-buff helbore draw-to-fire speed
@quiet valley

[faint beacon]

How fucking long was that holy

Welcome home Laser Based Vigilant

[tall torrent]

smth like 0.67s

it's wonky

[faint beacon]

Well shit

catch me using this now

[grand perch]

Oh hell yeah

[tall torrent]

combat shotgun consistency still nonexistent

who'd have thought

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1386629832812658708/5036424bb6f41a0642c8bbaac9f57e11.jpg?ex=685a672a&is=685915aa&hm=43267a4d8d4551018098bc140b43347c76c7cd3f26f29e02646533e1bb72428c&

[grand perch]

Also go to bed numbers cat

[tall torrent]

i NEED it

[stoic thorn]

What's the

New ui lookin

[pseudo fiber]

Take my fucking aquilas whatever

[tall torrent]

it's today's drop isn't it

that plasma skin

[faint beacon]

Probably

[tall torrent]

holy shit

I need it so bad

[faint beacon]

Shit

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

we need to see the Taxe buffs @grand perch

[tall torrent]

so peak

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1386626330812223610/fc6c19ddf19cb76d7a524aee820d0f4a.jpg?ex=685a63e7&is=68591267&hm=143900d79b25d480a30aae85b3d42bd82adbc384f352d9cc7e7e08b436b43ac2&

[tall torrent]

I can check

[pseudo fiber]

There we go

[stoic thorn]

The mission board

[grand perch]

But didn't you hear plasma gets nerfed to the ground and is utterly unusable
Reddit said so!

[tall torrent]

yea uh wtf

[pseudo fiber]

The hands are missing dw about it

[grand perch]

Look ma no hand

[stoic thorn]

What does it look like

[faint beacon]

Eh?

I mean it could be better

I do like the updated map mission images though

[stoic thorn]

Background image looks like paper mario lmao

[faint beacon]

Ex. Hab Dreyko with the actual Phage tree

[pseudo fiber]

Ladies and gentlemen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1386631091309248612/0dcdbd9db2d71d045536a642bea1f2d5.jpg?ex=685a6856&is=685916d6&hm=18dd37ac666d3c149e316c7c8189378d8eebca2f80a4f40bd85bab3c092c3967&

They put a beret on vet

[faint beacon]

This probably doesn't change shit

[faint beacon]

5 Billion Cpt. Price cosplays

[tall torrent]

campaign duo?

or u going to bed

[open ravine]

Its a bug but damn does this actually look sick

[faint beacon]

I skipped it but uh probably

game crashed one moment

[tall torrent]

revolver

[faint beacon]

Tried equiping the Taxe

game said

eat shit and die

[tall torrent]

I knew I made the right choice when I skipped that other revolver skin

[faint beacon]

Not a fan of revos in general

but the fact its on Arby

I might-

I might

I'll think on it

there any other skins?

[tall torrent]

think again

[faint beacon]

I felt my wallet get a bit lighter

fml

[tall torrent]

same

[pseudo fiber]

The skins are so good this update

[faint beacon]

No Vigilant skins

coping

Actually

SHIT

Shotties

[pseudo fiber]

Okay so I gotta get

[faint beacon]

we need to do shotty testing

Update is out right now

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma, bolter, arbites deluxe and arbites shop that's like

[grand perch]

I'm in the lucky position to think these skins are only okay

[pseudo fiber]

3800 aquilas?

[tall torrent]

new character skins are full inquisition agents

zealot

[faint beacon]

5 billion Saltz-pyre cosplays

[open ravine]

are these all the premium shop cosmetics

[tall torrent]

ya

[open ravine]

lame

[tall torrent]

1 mission?

[faint beacon]

fucking with mods

trying to pin-point whats causing the crashes

[raw needle]

holy shit they really dropped the best stuff for the player count influx

[faint beacon]

I might go like super barebones

[grand perch]

Never play with mods on patch day

[tall torrent]

me with just basic UI stuff

[raw needle]

majority of the mods are working

just check with the modding disc

[radiant sable]

ouhhhhhh i'm fighting for my LIFE trying to find a single voice line

[umbral scaffold]

Are you fr or is this bait lol

[merry coral]

I implore every vets to try out the shock maul

[radiant sable]

Female Loose Cannon 'oh we are so very good'

[merry coral]

it's hella good now

[radiant sable]

patch is out. Arbites have 4-5 hours

[umbral scaffold]

damn

[radiant sable]

if anyone has it on hand i'll give you a big kiss on the forehead

sifting through ~4000 voicelines is taking an age

[sterile phoenix]

Any weapons worth taking another look at after the rebalancing?

[wary lichen]

seems like nothing was changed, at least for me
didn't see any dmg changes nor new attack patterns

[pseudo fiber]

Currently assessing but check Evi out on zealot

[wary lichen]

btw, what's your opinion on new mission UI?

[open ravine]

looks terrible but i guess it works

[pseudo fiber]

Could use a few touch ups but I don't mind it that much

[junior grail]

Question, can we go back to the Campaign Missions anytime?

[open ravine]

the heavy hellbore feels better in firing but its special feels so bloody sticky as you will go for the melee attack then it appears to just get stuck for a second then you will bring it down

[raw needle]

I think at the chirurgeon yeah

[open ravine]

yes it seems so

[junior grail]

Thanks guys

[open ravine]

how are y'all finding the hellbore buffs

[faint beacon]

@grand perch Honestly the special attack is the biggest noticeble change

but the heavy changes are nice not huge

and the sprint speed is very much more QOL

[grand perch]

Ironically enough I have to wörk
Can't enjoy that yet

[faint beacon]

I mean I get a small window to play Arbites

Helbore buff is fucking huge though

OM ADS on it is like Vigils levels of quickdraw

[radiant sable]

Went through ALL of the post-rolling steel voicelines, it's not in there
must be in the baseline VO folder..... which has 3.5k lines in it

[grand perch]

Can I offer you a krak in these trying times?

[faint beacon]

Shotgun buffs are-

They're alright

Arbites is probably going to enjoy it a lot more but its less of abysmal dogshit and now actually pretty enjoyable to try out

[tall torrent]

buff is good

basically only buff that sorta matters for veteran

[faint beacon]

Pretty fucking huge

[tall torrent]

that and mk7 shotgun

[faint beacon]

Taxe is more just QOL stuff, nothing too insane (minus the Special 2x damage for some reason lmao)

[tall torrent]

buffed agripinaa VII shotgun is a decent sidegrade to IIa revolver

tho overall not as good

[open ravine]

I think they buffed it for arbite and not for in all classes

[tall torrent]

shotgun buff is for all classes

[open ravine]

as in they made it feel good for arbite and didn't really focus on non arbite

[tall torrent]

they just weren't that big

[quiet valley]

LETS GOOOO

updating rn, are new characters stuck on Sedition gameplay?

[tall torrent]

not sure

dlc not out yet

[open ravine]

sedition is gone

[quiet valley]

Uprising*

[tall torrent]

I don't like how shotguns are still weakspot dependent and weakspot hits are still wildly inconsistent for them

[faint beacon]

you can skip it

I did that

[open ravine]

new characters yes but old characters won't loose difficulty access

[tender rose]

sedition doesnt exist any more

[faint beacon]

cause im lvl 30 it lets you skip it and you can just jump straight into Auric

[quiet valley]

Wait what

update is out but

I can't buy ARBYs?

[tall torrent]

play 1 game?

[open ravine]

Classic fatshark

[grand perch]

Yeah no

[quiet valley]

what, the, fuck.

[grand perch]

Dlc specifies when arby becomes available

[open ravine]

they unlock in 3 hours

[grand perch]

Has done so the entire time. This is just the pre patch

[faint beacon]

Yeah im down

just torn on if I should do Shotgun or Helbore

and them im probably gonna take a nap

[quiet valley]

HELBORE HELBORE

[tall torrent]

helbore 100%

[faint beacon]

Welp

cant

loaded in with shotty

[open ravine]

hellbore fell nice

[tall torrent]

uh

[quiet valley]

ffs smh

[faint beacon]

Hotjoining my beloved

[tall torrent]

let's leave and restart

I wanna do private

disconnected from server
error 1003

[faint beacon]

Got error 1003 also

[tall torrent]

great game

[grand perch]

So it begins

[tall torrent]

wait give me like

8 mins

wifi restart in 8

[grand perch]

The great error 1003ening

[faint beacon]

fucked up build for today

[tall torrent]

also @faint beacon because I accepted campaign
almost all my mourningstar vendors are disabled until I beat missions

lol

[faint beacon]

You fool

[tall torrent]

can't buy weapon from armory

[faint beacon]

This is why I skipped LMAO

[tall torrent]

can't buy from melk

can't hadron the hadron

[faint beacon]

I was gonna do the campaign on Arby

[tall torrent]

evis 3 H1 finally deals real horde damage

[faint beacon]

Impossible

[burnt stump]

Does anyone have any good Recon Lasgun builds

[grand perch]

I'm glad you didn't say you couldn't "melk the Melk"

[pseudo fiber]

Go talk to krall you can turn it off

[wary lichen]

i got one, can give you

curios for stamina, health and toughness, one for each

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef208ab-10b0-4906-ad1a-edbade89f9ad/h40-recon-xiv

This is the best Mk and setup for Recons atm

[wary lichen]

works for both fast and slow recon
your call which you wanna use

[topaz zenith]

so all shotgun got buffed?

yall think worth it now on vet?

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon game crashed

gonna turn off mods

[open ravine]

they are better but they are for sure an arbite weapon

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon can't read game chat

[pseudo fiber]

Path going through it

[manic badger]

Helbore is completely broken now

[bold sierra]

FS is gonna drain me dry I STG

[manic badger]

I don't even see this in the store

[bold sierra]

not yet

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent You can nearly 1 tap a trapper with an uncharged shot now

LMAO

with stacks of FT its confirmed uncharged 1 tap

[bold sierra]

witch-hunting

[faint beacon]

Helbore is fucking insane

[bold sierra]

oops

sorry wrong chat

I hope infantry lasgun will get a facelift soon too, same with cahinsword

[grand perch]

MMF win

[tall torrent]

ngl

watching my

fully armored

armed to the teeth

kasrkin dude

being told "filth" in zola's cutscene

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[tall torrent]

is pretty funny

[faint beacon]

Cadia's rage must be quelled for now

[faint beacon]

it felt like a fucking dream pairing it with Helby im ngl

shit is

kino

[sly orchid]

She mad

[faint beacon]

Helbore I can argue is an A tier weapon

S tier?

idk we might need to do crunching

but its a Solid A tier now

[quiet valley]

Buffed Helbore MkIV does 3965 dmg to a Reaper with no Crit on my old build, ITS SO OVER

Unironically taking Longshot fixes this

WTF

[faint beacon]

One Motion also

making the deploy speed on par with Vigils

[pseudo fiber]

LONGSHOT VALUE

[faint beacon]

so you have an extremely quick to draw gun

LONGSHIT VALUE

[tall torrent]

it's so funny

[faint beacon]

Fully geared Kasrkin

"I dont trust you"

[bold sierra]

ahahahha

nice

wow, 275 dmg on crusher head non-charge helbore

that's kinda crazy

[worn slate]

Thats Saltzpyre! the notorious ranked racist from the old world

[untold mulch]

The narrative overhaul is already in?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[grand perch]

oh no

ill have to never make my "longshot is useless video" now

[manic badger]

nah the maniac adm change on helbore is making this shit push towards S tier

[faint beacon]

Psyker is right there

[quiet valley]

First game with buffed shotguns

Found a Plasma vet first game

[quiet valley]

By the end of the match lmao

[frank ledge]

SHOTGUN SUPREMACY

Plasmuprofen is over

[manic badger]

Which shotty?

[quiet valley]

Zarona

the Lawbringer OG

but Agripnna is good as well

[bold sierra]

zarona pog

tho i definitely will be palying a lot of Helbore

MAN I wish they buff inf lasguns soon

and maybe autoguns too

more

[quiet valley]

Autoguns just need reserves buff

[bold sierra]

yeah maybe, and maybe a bit of dmg boost to agripana and the uh...orange one. And idk, maybe a bit of extra crit chance would be nice imo xD

I already play a ton of infantry autogun in Havoc 40, would be nice to see them get some more love

well, on zealot at least

[faint beacon]

Honesty after the huge lift Helbore got I

Tragically see myself playing it a lot more over Vigils

As much as I love them

[grand perch]

just played a round with mk 4 hel

GIMME THE SWEETNESS

[heavy rover]

i can't get back on the game until the weekend. How's the new helbore feeling? Especially asking about the draw time

[faint beacon]

MkIIIa is kino

[faint beacon]

With One Motion

[heavy rover]

holy shit

[faint beacon]

On par with the vigils in swap

[heavy rover]

is there a comparison without one motion?

[faint beacon]

I think it’ll be like

Just a tinsy bit longer

But it’ll be noticeably different from old Helbore

[heavy rover]

good enough for me

helbore gaming babyyyyy

[bold sierra]

helbore my baby

but I WANT INF LASGUNS TO BE GOOD TOO

AHHHHHHHHH

plez FS plez

[heavy rover]

I used to main infantry las, but now i"ll be switching to helbore

[odd sparrow]

inf lasguns have always been alright you just have to aim good with marksman focus

[grand perch]

my vet: [stares in gas mask]

[bronze warren]

What’s a fun vet build? I mainly run chainsword and the full auto las gun thingy and the shotgun but I feel like I’m not performing well enough :/

[heavy rover]

unironically I used deadshot on the mk iib infantry las and I was melting targets left right and centre

[bold sierra]

dont get me wrong, I think inf lasgun is pog, I played like a lot of H40 with it, but after this update, well, hard to tell where it sits among others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQt1RT4xgo&t=4s&pp=0gcJCdAJAYcqIYzv

[odd sparrow]

revolver, bolter, autoguns are all fun in my opinion.

Going more melee heavy with weapon specialist on the right is fun as well

[austere mica]

Dbarrel weapon spec

[heavy rover]

deadshot with mkiib and target down had me with literal thousands of critical hits by the end of the game

[bronze warren]

I see

I shall heed your advice! I thank thee

[woven coral]

which blessings for the buffed shotguns?

[grand perch]

It just so happens I recently showcased one example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6htj5zO9I

[woven coral]

fire frenzy or deathspitter for the slug one? or full bore?

[bold sierra]

slug is better with full bore and no respite imo.

[woven coral]

gotcha thank you

[bold sierra]

you can switch no respite for either those 2 ig

but no respite is great for hitting those breakpoints sometimes on staggered elites

[woven coral]

and for perks any breakpoints that justify +maniacs?

[bold sierra]

I think it generally won't matter for some specials in H40 or sth, you might not even need +maniac maybe, if you hit the headshot

then again, +maniac helps with ragers a lot on the quick shots so I think it's still good

I usually go for maniac+elite, or flak+elite

if it works in H40 then u can rumble easily in aurics

[heavy rover]

wait a minute patch notes say we have 8 loadout slots now

letsgoooo

[grand perch]

I thought it said character slots

[pseudo fiber]

It's both

[uncut pebble]

ITS USABLE

WHAT

[heavy rover]

they also buffed the damage modifiers

the radius to the hitscan is also meant to make shots more forgiving, so you're more likely to land hits

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[bold sierra]

siuuuu

not out yet, just preview

[pure nebula]

Still patiently waiting for more Scion or Mordian kits

[thorn lark]

💦

[grand perch]

Mutant oneshots on mk 4 for days

[heavy rover]

wait actually? like someone has tested it?

[tame lodge]

Random ahh infested buff

[crude wind]

You can one shot a crusher with Big Hellebore now

Needs MMF but it can be done

[heavy rover]

would focus target also work?

[tame lodge]

So nothing changed

[bold sierra]

im sticking with the green and blue helbore for the stabbies yummers

[wanton plume]

what is the dump stats for power sword?

[grand perch]

you could always do that

[crude wind]

Not sure it has the finesse required. Easy 2 tap tho

[tame lodge]

Cleave Targets

[bold sierra]

cleave targets definitely lol

[tame lodge]

Emphasis on Targets

[heavy rover]

close enough, I can work with that

[bold sierra]

honestly not even finesse is that needed on Psword honestly

[heavy rover]

damn, why does the update drop the one week I'll be busy with conferences

[bold sierra]

depends tho

[wanton plume]

alright

[heavy rover]

I've seen someone use the mk v helbore with weight of fire and oh boy it was a sight to behold, I've made a separate build to try it out myself

[bold sierra]

yep yep

love running dclaw with helbores, gonna eat good this update

[wanton plume]

liek that?

[heavy rover]

yep

[wanton plume]

aight

Should i go for Slaughterer / Power cycler or brutal Momentum / Power cycler?

[grand perch]

never slaughterer

powercycler + bromentum is the usual choice. sometimes cycler + sunder

[tall torrent]

Carapace
Elite
Power cycler
Brutal momentum
Mk VI
Dump cleave target

[wanton plume]

alrighty

[grand perch]

i think you always could with enough MMF stacks, now you need less

[heavy rover]

ah

[grand perch]

actually you dont even need mmf

[heavy rover]

oh damn actually?

[grand perch]

this here's enough

without maniac damage perk

[void dragon]

oh no...drip looks kinda good

[heavy rover]

sometimes I find slaughterer useful if I want to get some damage buff to take down crushers faster. a bit unconventional but it's worked for me

[drifting oak]

I don't know what second blessing to take on the shotgun

It already fucking kills anything you point it at, do I just take full bore for reapers

[void dragon]

bosses are a worthy target to eliminate from Atoma Prime

[heavy rover]

can't go wrong with full bore imo

[drifting oak]

also, is it just me, or are there zero hiintensity shock troops

I only see 5 missions that are shock troops on "auric", no high intensity

[normal bay]

Hi-Int is default now

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ky8cDoWw54l6aZvUu?invite=cr-MSx0QWUsMTA3NDAxNTcz

@grand perch I haven't heard this interaction in my like

2k hours of playing

first time ever hearing LC not lay into Prof

[iron marten]

Think they added new voicelines

This my first time hearing this in my 1.6k hours too holy

Makes me wonder how many interactions I haven't heard with same personality but different gender

[faint beacon]

Well im pretty sure a bunch of new lines that aren't

Arbites + Reject locked

or Arbites + Arbites

were added also

[iron marten]

Cause I've heard that conversation with professional male and female about cutting the head off the snake

[iron marten]

true

[pseudo fiber]

That's great hahaha

The rejects seem chiller in newer interactions I like it

[grand perch]

LUAMEM 312

yeah that one's new 99% sure

[faint beacon]

the memory dump beckons

I also caught my LC calling Mauler's "Bruisers"

but Path said thats an Old quote

[grand perch]

good god

LC and his noob callouts man

[heavy rover]

what do you mean, something-something-BURSTER sounds pretty clear to me

[grand perch]

we nee d to find a traxis-12 one of these days or LC is gonna be embarassed

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ky7QtyoMFfmJ282f4?invite=cr-MSxUcU4sMTA3NDAxNTcz

[grand perch]

but calling a mauler a bruiser, something that does exist but is most definitely far less dangerous than a mauler is just LC being a newb

[faint beacon]

Uncharged Helbore Propaganda

[drifting oak]

why does the new shotgun do so much damage

[grand perch]

its so joever for vigis

[drifting oak]

what in absolute tarnation

it two taps muties

it two taps maulers

[normal bay]

Which shotty?

[drifting oak]

just the good ol' zarona

+flak, +maniac, full bore, and that's really everything of note

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon I did personality scourge and got my characters out of campaign mode

[drifting oak]

two tapping muties/maulers out to midrange is FOUL

[faint beacon]

Oh?

Interesting

[iron marten]

Mmm and the ammo efficiency too

[normal bay]

Which one is the Zarona again?

[faint beacon]

Yeah I hate to say it Helbores are just

leagues better

catch me maining them till Vigils get touched upon

[grand perch]

except in firerate

[tame lodge]

Spreadshot special

[grand perch]

im holding graia VII vigi up high till the day i die...or uninstall

[drifting oak]

spreadshot special is foul

you are now a kickback ogryn

but you also have the option of burning muties/elites until your tube is dry

[normal bay]

[drifting oak]

i'm not usually one to call for nerfs but this is absurd lmao

for the gun to do this much damage it should not have this much ammo

[iron marten]

how much does zarona shottie have?

[drifting oak]

at 80% ammo, 11+90 rounds

[faint beacon]

its honestly going to be a 50/50 split with Helby or Agri IX to be blunt

[iron marten]

btw is this the 3a? Might have to give it a try cause I preferred the mk5 and mk4 before the buffs

[iron marten]

Oh jesus hahaha

[void dragon]

what in the Hay Obesefish?

[drifting oak]

yeah you are a kickback ogyrn with the zarona spreadshot... but you have 90 101 rounds

[iron marten]

And the option of survivalist

And WS

[drifting oak]

WS is frankly overkill

like the reload speed is fast

you don't need the swap-reloads

[iron marten]

i seee

Guess I'll have to give it a try after work

[void dragon]

what has happened with me face? why I suddently became Krieg in all the cosmetics?

[drifting oak]

I guess you could maybe? intentionally take the +20% reload speed node, stack it with the +30% reload speed on taggable kill, +25% reload speed if you have ammo

let me try that actually

it's stupid and unnecessary but it should be funny

[faint beacon]

yes

Also arbites is now out

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cali7-gif-9616762

[formal hamlet]

So Darktide gang, do I play the campaign on my Veteran and skip it on Arbites? Skip on Vet and play it while levelling Arbites? Or is there much point in playing through the new campaign on both?

[void dragon]

no lost child, i just stole it from yer momme

[tall torrent]

also
I think mk3 helbore is a super top tier gun rn

it's like

ogryn heavy stubber tier

no joke

[drifting oak]

this is funny but absolutely not necessary and it uses a ton of points better spent elsewhere

[iron marten]

As long as it's fun!

I used to run stupid exe stance mk4 helbore builds to kill dhs so :p

[drifting oak]

the extra "bullet size" is enormous

it feels like i'm playing destiny

[void dragon]

As it should be, Gun class wins again!

[drifting oak]

this is a headshot

[void dragon]

Nice

[formal hamlet]

Cool optic, what gun is that for?

[drifting oak]

modded sight, you can stick it on any two handed gun

:T

clearest sight picture just to make things more obvious

of just how far off you can be and get a headshot with your new redwood tree of a bullet

[formal hamlet]

For Helbore?

Maybe now it will feel like I got controller auto aim.

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Helby got a hitscan radius buff

0.05

[drifting oak]

is it only on charged shots or is it also on uncharged/

[formal hamlet]

Nice, my favourite gun.

[drifting oak]

Because it feels like uncharged too

which is also foul

like don't get me wrong the sights are shit on the vanilla/unmodded gun but if you make the shots fuckhuge to compensate the moment I put on a sight that lets me see I can take shots that are literally whizzing inches from an opponent's head and it hits them

also damage is so much higher that uncharged shots OHK trash now

so that's nice.

you can just click on shooter heads like it's an infantry las now

[formal hamlet]

What about swap speed, does it feel big?

[iron marten]

Oh yeah, swap speed is huge

[formal hamlet]

Glad to see my main gun getting buffs, shame I'm about to try Arbites so won't be using my Helbore for a bit.

[drifting oak]

so the thing is that the animation actually seems the same, but you can -take actions- way earlier in it now

you know how you pull the helbore out, then flip a lever, and prepatch you had to wait until after that lever-flip and "click click" to do anything

[queen sky]

is Mobility still the dump for DS?

[iron marten]

they said that it's as fast as the vigilant autogun with one motion now lmao

[drifting oak]

now you shoot/aim/etc. right before the lever-fiddle click-click

[queen sky]

can confirm, was using it earlier

[drifting oak]

I -think- it's comparable to the autogun/infantry las draw speed now

[queen sky]

the animation is barely faster but you can ADS out of it very quickly

[drifting oak]

not lightning quick, but about the same as those other "two handed rifles"

[formal hamlet]

Increased maximum number of weapon loadouts to 8.

Ayo, that's great.

Added a total of ~900 new banter conversations, both between the original cast and Arbites.

Love me some cheeky bants.

[jagged hull]

veteran has the arbites super shotgun?

[tame lodge]

Mk2 mobility
Mk4 mobility/cleave
Mk5 defenses/mobility penetration, for maximum dodging

[uncut pebble]

20% damage buff be like that.

[drifting oak]

was it really only 20%

[queen sky]

hmm, Hammer Of The Emperor needs updating then?

[drifting oak]

it feels like way more

[queen sky]

no, that's exclusive to arbites

[queen sky]

hahahaa

[tame lodge]

Path did some math
Agri and Zarona got around 20%

Accatran got around 8%

[frank ledge]

Wtf is this

[tame lodge]

Get queue'd on

[tall torrent]

steam ver been in the works for months

[unreal nova]

They added a fucking queue system?

[tame lodge]

It existed for a while now

💀

[drifting oak]

doesn't feel right, i can get 1 shots where it used to be like 3 and 2 when it used to be like 5

[unreal nova]

I see another reason to down rate.

Waiting 1 hour to play.

Only for game to error DC or crash.

You know it can happen.

[past stratus]

the swap speed on the Helbore is so good now

[inner minnow]

Ah yes

Welcome back Darktide

[fading yarrow]

"Dirtbag raw recruits like you"
Meanwhile I'm standing there in Havoc armor and a Commissar cap

[inner minnow]

Stolen goods

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-majestic-chad-looks-maxxing-gif-12399243495294132769

[uncut pebble]

Arbites shotgun is overtuned as fuck.

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kyclYuvopPd1l2wTt?invite=cr-MSx6QlAsMjY5OTA3MzMz

Cross roomed a sniper with it and it's literally the one that you start with.

[drifting oak]

Don't snipers specifically take reverse falloff

i seem to remember something like that, making them a really bad judge of damage

That being said shotguns can two-tap maulers at midrange which is kind of like, gee whiz

two tap muties

[wanton plume]

what's a good curio perks for farming?

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon updated my guide for helbore's new breakpoints and build

basically, IIIa has the best breakpoints overall rn
and IV is pretty cracked for 1 taps
so cracked that u don't even need unarmored for crit 1hs dreg gunner for havoc, u just need elite dmg

[grand perch]

aw yeah

[heavy rover]

do you primarily update the steam guide only? Or is the word doc also updated?

[tall torrent]

only steam ver

once all veteran parts for steam ver is done, it'll be published

and access to word doc will be disabled

[heavy rover]

ah ok

[tame lodge]

Casual Mk4 W

[unreal nova]

I told you. I predicted this.

[unreal nova]

Still, being able to splat them from afar consistently... Even the kickback fails at it. The only shotgun that can is slug shots and that's more annoying to use.

[exotic stag]

so, the duellinmg sword only got a buff?

and plasma gun not touched?

[tame lodge]

No changes yet

[exotic stag]

hell ye, we survivin bois

[tame lodge]

Pushed for later

[drifting oak]

they gave us a notice that both of them are on the chopping block

[exotic stag]

pushed for never sound good to me D;

[drifting oak]

so that when the nerf does hit, it'll be less alarming

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[exotic stag]

ah fair

[drifting oak]

which, honestly, is probably the best way to go about it

[exotic stag]

perfectionist is fuckin unusable in havoc ;p

[tame lodge]

Nope

[exotic stag]

u do u big dawg

[tame lodge]

Perfectionist is backstab on zealot

[exotic stag]

ahhhh

fair xD

[tame lodge]

Perfectionism

Is DD modifier

[exotic stag]

shit goes so hard

[tame lodge]

My nickname refers to the backstab

And my PFP to the node

Both that I main

[exotic stag]

need u in my games lowkey xD

[tame lodge]

Sorry, won't be playing for a while

Busy week

[exotic stag]

gl big dawg

[tame lodge]

🫡

[exotic stag]

btw why is the acronym based on the endings of the syllables and not the start ;p

[hollow ibex]

accatran shotty still feels pretty crap ngl lol

the other two combat shotguns feel good

though slug still feels like the best easily

[pseudo fiber]

Accatran is the fire one?

Yeah it only got an 8% damage boost the other two got a 20% boost

[hollow ibex]

rip

that's kinda fucked lol

i will say the new slug shotty is a fucking beast

absolutely demolishes bosses

[drifting oak]

why the slug shotty on bosses

does the slug do so much damage that it's worth loading a fresh slug every shot

over just full-boring it

[unreal nova]

The slug is the main reason why it's good even before, it just was clunky and wasn't GOOD GOOD to use it over something else.

[hollow ibex]

you wouldn't use the slug, you just use the primary shot

does something stupid like 5k dps

[drifting oak]

don't the slug shotty and zarona-spread shotty have the same primary fire stats or am I mistaken

[unreal nova]

Wrong, you slug into rapidfire.

[last marten]

✨REPENT✨💅

[unreal nova]

Slug for buff to mulch.

[hollow ibex]

lol sure if you want

[hollow ibex]

idr, but i def got higher dps with slug

primary fire

[lament venture]

So no new cosmetic rotate for other classes?

[unreal nova]

I mean, that is the classic fullbore strat for bosses.

[bitter fox]

Do shotguns not suck anymore?

[void dragon]

shotguns, of the combat and double kind, have been buffed by lex guidelines

[hollow ibex]

slug and spreadshot seem a lot better

fire shotty still seems kinda ass

DB was/is still good

[bitter fox]

I hope so. I tried getting into the shotguns days ago but they were a major turn-off

[unreal nova]

And Arbites blaming FT vets if they are on the team for crashing games. I guess FS didn't even bother testing with vets.

[hollow ibex]

FT is causing crashes?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, if dog owner pings FT vet pings, game dies.

Arbites owners are like, vet can't play vet because crash wehhhhhhh.

[fervent mesa]

time to play dogless arb

[unreal nova]

And mind you, I don't even FT.

I hate how entitled they are.

Like, I don't care if you paid more, it's on FS.

[fervent mesa]

everyone is entitled to their own 40k personality

[unreal nova]

FT is important for some builds for breakpoints.

If ppl enjoy it, then why stop ppl from it?

[heavy rover]

Plus also it's good support with toughness regen/stamina regen and bonus damage

[untold mulch]

Yeah FT to me was a constant top up

[unreal nova]

Arbites entitlement can get karked.

[untold mulch]

if you tag correctly, you can be a lot more offensive.

Also the yellow glow may or may not gain more attention from the idiots in random matches

[unreal nova]

They rather force vets to give up FT than them give up their dog.

[untold mulch]

So a hard crash if both targets the same?

[unreal nova]

Or just not pinging the same target.

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[untold mulch]

tbf, I can see even accidentally pinging the same

but yeah, this is on FS

[fervent mesa]

never gonna give dog up

never gonna let dog down

[untold mulch]

[unreal nova]

Absolutely. So nobody is at fault if they enjoy playing a specific way. You either deal with it or just be as so.

[fervent mesa]

im prob gonna pick the dogless talent asap anyway

[untold mulch]

I am still waiting for any weapon for vet

We weren't left waiting for long fr fr. Fucking liar

[unreal nova]

Bet you when we get the new weapon, every other class also gets one.

[untold mulch]

100 fucking percent

[fervent mesa]

new vet weapon

crusher

[untold mulch]

And tbf thats not bad per se

But it was clearly a fucking lie

[untold mulch]

At this point I am expecting if we see Hellgun/Hotshot Lasgun is gonna be fucking paid

[unreal nova]

Next class. You need to buy it to unlock it on vet. Enjoy.

Why yes, it feels like that.

[untold mulch]

Better, is not a vet weapon

[clever hedge]

Let's see vet get melta weapons

[unreal nova]

Limited to new class to piss on vets more?

[unreal nova]

Sure, buy new class to use it.

[untold mulch]

My pessimist side is telling me to go kick rocks because this game doesnt gives a fuck

[untold mulch]

You get another shovel in this trying times

[clever hedge]

I'll name her melta

And spray it orange

[tall torrent]

crazy

[serene bough]

man they really nerfed vendoring weapons for mastery

[tall torrent]

U gotta use higher rating weapons

[unreal nova]

Oh, I do that normally already. I'm the embodiment of pessimism as some friends joke.

[tall torrent]

0 rating is ass for sacrificing

Might be placebo but I also feel they changed weapon distribution drops

[untold mulch]

I ma glad I exploited that back then

[serene bough]

so the strat is to consecrate then vendor?

[tall torrent]

So hard to find a 4x80+60 now

[unreal nova]

After vet got left in the dumps and how pay2vet arbites is... yeah.

[tall torrent]

Empower as well

Or just

Play with them

Cuz ur gonna have to level up ur Arbites guy anyway

[serene bough]

yeah true

[untold mulch]

I haven't checked the tree of arbites tbh

[unreal nova]

Is pay to vet and pay to zel, just without gold.

[untold mulch]

sigh

[unreal nova]

Also, they can take overheads like oggy if you take a node.

[untold mulch]

yeah that specific node I saw

[unreal nova]

50 damage gate.

87.5% DR there.

All the shits that'll instakill? Gated.

[untold mulch]

Goddamn

Not even a CD

[unreal nova]

Yep. Just passive.