veteran-class

[formal hamlet]

I'm not usually into mods and stuff but the stuff I see people using really feels like it makes everything a lot easier.

[normal bay]

A dog will just insta jump you out of a horde, absolute BS

[formal hamlet]

Sights on guns, mods that tell you where items are located in your mission, more detailed info if you want to keep an eye on ally cooldowns and such I imagine.

[hollow ibex]

yeah mods make a huge difference tbh

given that audio cues don't even fucking work half the time

[formal hamlet]

I'm never sure if it worked and I just subconsciously ignored it, or I really didn't hear jack.

I feel like sometimes audio is just messy, too much going on, some things get drowned out.

[vapid thunder]

is it all damage or just hp damage

[uncut pebble]

Just hp damage.

You can take toughness damage and be fine.

[vapid thunder]

i rly wish they specified that that makes it a lot easier

[formal hamlet]

Joined mid-mission and I was the only one alive, I somehow managed to get through and rez everyone, thought that's the worst behind us, everyone instantly dies as dog jumps on me outta nowhere.

I need to see dog kill cams lol.

I wanna see this little bastard barking and huffing while he runs at my position for the leap so I know it was doing all that.

[tall torrent]

Do u need help

[vapid thunder]

nah im not seriously trying for it rn

[tall torrent]

It’s quite easy
U just jump off the map and I solo

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet Mods may indeed make things a lot easier, but they also make you rely on them.

Everyone who says otherwise about mods like Healthbar, Spidey Sense, Dodge Counter or stuff like that is either blind to it or wilfulling ignoring it.

Those are advantages the game does not give you and should never give you.

And using them will for sure change the way you play and approach situations.

[uncut pebble]

You call them advantages when health bars and dodge counter should be base features and spidey sense is because fatshark literally cannot fix their audio engine after 2 whole games.

[hollow ibex]

shit like dodge counter should just be in the game

[sudden cedar]

That is your opinion.

[hollow ibex]

was going to write more but frog summed it up

[uncut pebble]

If fatshark could fix their audio engine, I'd stop using spidey sense.

[hollow ibex]

bro. it's not an opinion that the audio engine is fucking broken lol

[uncut pebble]

But they can't, and I'm pretty deaf anyway, so I'm gonna keep using it.

[hollow ibex]

there's no reason why dodges shouldn't be visible

health bars, i could see an argument

speaking of mods, installed skitarius

incredible, i can actually use half the roster now

[uncut pebble]

Skitarius allows for icky qq macros, which I don't like.

[hollow ibex]

i don't use that

[sudden cedar]

As it stands, those are features not in the game. Thus using such mods gives you advantages you shouldn't have.

[uncut pebble]

But I dont use those, I just use it as a full auto + keep swinging bundle package.

[sudden cedar]

You thinking they should be base features is another thing entirely.

[hollow ibex]

if you shouldn't have those advantages, the mods would be banned

[uncut pebble]

Cry about it. Everyone that uses mods agrees most mods should be base features.

[hollow ibex]

shrimple as

[uncut pebble]

You wanna know what's funny?

Mods made it into the game for vt2.

In vt2, you have to hold block while you're reviving someone.

[hollow ibex]

the mods are literally just covering features that fatshart is too fucking lazy to do themselves. why do you think "cheat" mods are permitted lol.

[uncut pebble]

You don't have to do that in darktide because fatshark decided "hey that's a pretty simple feature" and put it in the game.

[sudden cedar]

Because the community would cry otherwise and reviewbomb a perfectly fine game.

[uncut pebble]

The only mods you can really say are cheating are things like decode helper.

[sudden cedar]

Just like it will happen once nerfs for duelling sword and plasma gun will roll out

@uncut pebble Fair enough, if they implemented that, okay.

But anything that isn't, gives you advantages you shouldn't have.

[uncut pebble]

Anything else is just client-side cosmetics, hud tweaks, fov tweaks, scoreboard, or fixes for the game that fatshark can't be asked to do.

Or it's information fatshark purposely omits or misleads.

Like, idk, talent information.

[unreal nova]

I don't mod because mods are like the dueling sword. You will learn to rely on them hard. Also need the excuse to get FS to apply more accessiblity features baseline for ppl.

[uncut pebble]

(Inexorable Judgement has several hidden features that the game does not tell you)

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova That is pretty much how i see it.

Same with relying on certain weapons that may elevate you above where you probably would be otherwise.

[hollow ibex]

i mean if i can't rely on accessibility mods, i simply cannot play the game

that's all there is to it

before installing skitarius i was essentially restricted to light spam melee weapons lol

[unreal nova]

I'm still doing hardest content basically half blind or completely blind if lights out rolls in.

[hollow ibex]

and the occasional womp with hsword

[sudden cedar]

Because you can't do heavies?

[hollow ibex]

because the game in general strains my hands too much

esp doing combos

push attacks are the worst

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough.

[unreal nova]

Isn't this why controllers exist? Barring basically unfair cheat lvl macros, it makes playing things easier on the hands?

[uncut pebble]

The game would handle ok on controller until you have to use throwing knives on zeal.

Or have to do complex inputs like dodge slides.

[unreal nova]

I could rebind my blitz to my back button... but muscle memory.

[hollow ibex]

how does controllers solve anything lmao

[uncut pebble]

Skitarius allows for a lot of accessibility for folks that have issues with their hands by handling the complex part of the issue and letting you do it all with one button.

[hollow ibex]

without at least an auto attack mod, it's still juts begging for carpael tunnel

you're just getting it with a controller instead of a mouse

[uncut pebble]

Granted, there are folks that are going to go and do qq l1 macros with deimos force sword, but those are few and far between.

[sudden cedar]

While i am against mods such as this, if that gives you the ability to play, great for you.

[unreal nova]

I more see perma stunbash oggies tbh.

[hollow ibex]

if anything, using these sort of mods put me at a disadvantage

[uncut pebble]

And honestly, people that do such macros are pretty shit at the game, and you will relish watching them get evaporated.

[sudden cedar]

What crosses the line is when someone who for sure does not need it at all, still uses it.

[hollow ibex]

there's more fine control if you manually do inputs

[uncut pebble]

Well, there's no way to regulate the mod to folks that need it. You can't just say "oh, people abuse this, let's get it off the workshop for everyone."

That isn't fair to the folks that do need it.

[sudden cedar]

True, self-regulation will not work most of the time.

[uncut pebble]

Let's go a step further. Let's say someone is completely deaf. How do you suppose you get around the issue of being completely unable to hear specialists?

[hollow ibex]

i mean if people want to use an accessebility mod that makes them worse at the game, they should absolutely be welcome to

[uncut pebble]

You use an accessibility mod, like spidey sense, to let them know a specialist is coming.

[unreal nova]

But how do you know who needs it or not? Why better to just have things actually important baseline than rampant mods that borderline can be considered cheating or is straight cheating.

[sudden cedar]

I don't say i want to regulate it. I just don't like it.

[uncut pebble]

Now, I'm not completely deaf (I'm getting there), but pairing my hearing issues with fatsharks very unreliable audio engine makes me kinda need that mod.

[sudden cedar]

And i never said i am against such a thing.

[uncut pebble]

That's the wonderful part of life, you don't have to like it to justify it existing.

[sudden cedar]

Well, apologies if i sounded a bit harsh and you.

[unreal nova]

Skitarius is cheating personally, but fullauto, unga bunga and keep swinging are not.

[hollow ibex]

you can cheat with skitarius like frog said

but by default it isn't

[uncut pebble]

I'm not taking it personally, I'm just explaining why such mods are allowed.

[sudden cedar]

I'd consider them being tolerated unless they specifically gave their OK for it?

[unreal nova]

That's the problem, if it can be used to cheat, you know many will.

[sudden cedar]

Correct.

Then again, people who use it for that end.. may not be as good as they wish they would be.

On several levels presumably

[unreal nova]

I'm not, but I just live with it.

[hollow ibex]

i doubt many people are even aware of how qq swap can be used to cheat lol

i have 900 hours in the game and i don't even know myself

[uncut pebble]

And those folks are fun to watch crash and burn if they need to use mods to cheat.

[unreal nova]

Maybe outside of Asia.

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk i only play on NA

[sudden cedar]

@uncut pebble We can agree on that one.

What is QQ swap even supposed to be?

[uncut pebble]

Q is your "swap to previous weapon" button.

[unreal nova]

You know how many actual aimbots I have seen? Too many.

Aim bot in a PvE game.

[uncut pebble]

So you press it twice and stow/draw your weapon very quickly.

[sudden cedar]

That sounds..

[uncut pebble]

The most notable weapon that does this is the deimos force sword.

The l1 has very good damage and finesse scaling, you'll oneshot chaff with it with no frills.

So people will qq macro their deimos l1 and evaporate a boss.

[hollow ibex]

i think qq swapping is good on fgs mk8 as well but i never bothered/looked into it

[unreal nova]

Because you can't tell me someone can consistently head shot spinning around as much as they do whenever the bot senses a spawn.

[uncut pebble]

You should see Gale play...

That man is a machine.

[unreal nova]

360 degrees.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah.

Bros ears actually work.

And his aim isn't shit like mine.

[unreal nova]

My ears works, but game lies about positioning so much to me unless it's because I need better headset.

[fading yarrow]

Good evening.

[unreal nova]

But when I do those headphone test, it's perfectly fine so reeeeeeeeeeee

[unreal nova]

But still, that's maybe a 1 in a million thing. But in Asia, you can match with one pretty often.

It just looks like an aim bot is doing the aiming since there is little jitter when nothing is actually going on.

[formal hamlet]

Another damnation mission complete, this one I was fully sweating through but tbh almost nobody died so I think it went the smoothest.

I think I only helped 2 downed allies that whole mission.

[unreal nova]

When anything big spawns, insta flick around bam head shot.

[formal hamlet]

My biggest takeaway in last mission is I can no longer ignore gunners / reapers.

[dusk osprey]

trying to figure out the power sword. somehow not feeling as comfy in heresy swapping to it from the mk1 devils claw sword. any blessing/perk/mark advice anyone can spare ?

[formal hamlet]

A reaper fuckin melted me.

In Heresy I could shug off a lot of the range attacks.

[dusk osprey]

side note though; i was not expecting to enjoy the devils claw sword that much

[unreal nova]

They will melt you if you don't insta deal with them.

[uncut pebble]

I suggest using a weapon with ghost or using something that will kill them very quickly.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah unlike other enemies when I get up close they don't switch to melee.

[unreal nova]

Someone needs to shoot them asap or get close and smash them in.

[austere mica]

Just run gunners DR

They suddenly no longer exist in quantities lower than 5

[formal hamlet]

I revolver them in the head.

[fading yarrow]

Just joined a 6-death Chasm Station run two seconds away from the Sanction Redactua target

Please give me 21 more matches like that, FatShark

[formal hamlet]

But I was dealing with something else and thought "he can wait".

Turns out, nah, he cannot.

Melted my toughness almost instantly.

Should have either shot him or popped a smoke so I can deal with him after.

[dusk osprey]

so am i misreading into the weapon by assuming it's a suitable weapon for crowd clear ? i'm so sorry, i only rlly started darktide a month and a bit ago so im just starting to even grasp specialized builds

[tall torrent]

power sword is excellent against most enemies

there're only 3 notable downsides of it

1. sustained boss dmg is comparatively not that high
2. worst dodge of all melee weapons for veteran
3. you have to always turn it on before doing any real damage

but the upsides drastically outweigh the downsides

[dusk osprey]

definitely noticed it does piss poor damage when not toggled

[odd sparrow]

killing everything in 1-3 hits is pretty sweet. The mobility issues are very real tho.

especially on a shooty build

[dusk osprey]

i thought it'd be kinda like the relic blade where you could activate it during a block but it's a little slower to use in combat for me so far

[odd sparrow]

you can active --> block to cancel the animation on the mk vI

[formal hamlet]

I'm sure everyone here does this every day, but moments like this make me feel like I know a thing or two.

[dusk osprey]

thanks a bunch :3 i'll give this a shot :3 i accidentally sold my devils claw sword while moving a little too fast so im stuck with it for a bit on this operative lol

[dusk osprey]

heard that 👀

[austere mica]

Why are you light spamming a mutant

[supple stag]

Power Sword is just so strong

[gilded wraith]

Is the finesse multiplier for the agrippina slug listed in game?

[maiden wasp]

Do not listen to this man, while he might be right, he is a raging alcoholic and is a menace to society

[gilded wraith]

I hear he hates Christmas too!

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12234250829084930117/AE3444E424019246788F1C6D305B4D6FBDD17D74/

[formal hamlet]

Feels more satisfying.

[austere mica]

More satisfying than just oneshotting it

[formal hamlet]

I do the charge melee for heads, but this guy's head is weird so I just to slashes.

Yeah.

[austere mica]

You can hit mutant heads through their back

[formal hamlet]

Oh nice, good to know.

[hollow ibex]

this fov is wild lol

[formal hamlet]

This WS with power sword?

[dusk osprey]

learned this yesterday with that revolver

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[formal hamlet]

Looks cool.

[tall torrent]

oui

[formal hamlet]

I think PS is my favourite melee weapon.

[tall torrent]

108 vfov

[austere mica]

Wish I was on that FoV

[dusk osprey]

this is mesmerizing lol

[formal hamlet]

Dodging hounds and watching them fly off the map never gets old.

[tall torrent]

just change config file

[austere mica]

This game needs 120

[tall torrent]

120 is really weird

cuz the game has higher fov when ur sprinting

120 makes it super stretched out

I don't like

[austere mica]

Where

[tall torrent]

usersettings config file

[dusk osprey]

i fear i am also a max FOV believer

idk what the number is when i opened the game i just slid that bad boy right to max 😭

[supple stag]

:<

[tall torrent]

if ur on pc u can push it above what the slider allows in game

[formal hamlet]

Mine's on default, I've never been too fussy about FOV, maybe I should try it a tiny bit higher though.

[dusk osprey]

think the slider honestly is pretty reasonable with my monitor atm, once i get one of those wide boys yess

[maiden wasp]

Love u bb

[tall torrent]

find this
users/steamuser/AppData/Roaming/Fatshark/Darktide

I'm on linux rn, I forgot what the windows file path looks like

should look smth like this

@dusk osprey @formal hamlet

in game slider only goes up to 85 vfov

[dusk osprey]

girl i literally am stupid-walled from even installing mods on this game i will not be able to do that without summoning a furry with a decade of IT experience

[tall torrent]

nah it's ez

it's just finding a file and changing 1 line in it

[dusk osprey]

okok

i don't think you're getting what i mean

imagine

a girl who owns a computer but doesn't know anything about how to do anything but click on steam and "play"

[analog yacht]

I also made a mod so you can set fov and sensitivity with chat commands including more decimals

[dusk osprey]

now 10x less technologically capable on her own

that's me

[analog yacht]

mods for this game are ez. you extract like 3 zips to your install folder

[tall torrent]

so basically hadron

[analog yacht]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/38

[uncut pebble]

See, that kills them very quickly.

[analog yacht]

just realized the description is out of date. fov is uncapped entirely

[tall torrent]

can u make a mod that shows correct stagger and damage values for each weapon's attacks

[crude star]

should kraks be stronger against bosses

[hollow ibex]

kraks should be stronger against everything

[analog yacht]

no but I made one that fixes crosshairs and then I updated it to fix them again after fatshark's update didn't fix them

[crude star]

eh, they aren’t lacking in damage against normal stuff.. can anything other than a boss ecen survive it

i mean it has other problems

[analog yacht]

they removed the diagonal crosshairs and everything trying to fix it and it's still broken vanilla 😔

[hollow ibex]

can kraks one shot crushers on havoc?

[tall torrent]

I unironically decided to solve that problem by doing this

[hollow ibex]

they mostly need way better fuse time, to stick and nuke void shields, base 3 and better boss damage. that's all

[crude star]

The shield thing is really silly, like why

[analog yacht]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/36 😌

also I have a plugin for crosshair remap that readds the diagonal crosshairs

[hollow ibex]

my favorite part: even if you manage to sticky a krak to a captain, you know how much damage it does? 15%. that's WITH tinkerer.

[crude star]

oof

[torn gorge]

yuge dmg

[crude star]

isn’t that less than what it does on monstrosities

or am I wacko

[analog yacht]

unfortunately all of the weapon code is spaghetti and I can't read it. I wanted to make a breakpoint calculated, alas.

[hollow ibex]

idk how much damage it does to bosses

i should test

[analog yacht]

gotta wait for manshanko to update wartide (any day now)

[tall torrent]

I think they quit

[analog yacht]

yeah ik, I was joking

[tall torrent]

I now use this

I literally just hand test breakpoints now

only for ranged weapons tho

[analog yacht]

I reverse engineered some of it, but other parts of it I still can't parse

I mean not "reverse engineered" but got an equation working to predict damage

[crude star]

how is it one shotting crushers with only 2400?

[analog yacht]

but then I add a new variable and it breaks

[gentle lake]

hows the wrath and savage sweep on chain sword

[hollow ibex]

i have to assume some sort of adm effect

[analog yacht]

zarona's crit bonus is a really weird one bc it adds onto ADM instead of like, crit

[gentle lake]

also I will be using infantry lasrifle, hows that weapon

[analog yacht]

it's not a finesse bonus

[tall torrent]

either high carapace ADM or instakill override
forgor which

[crude star]

i see

[analog yacht]

i.e. it stacks with rending instead of finesse

[hollow ibex]

srry but both weapons you picked are kinda ass

[analog yacht]

probably why they gave carapace specifically a halved bonus

bc it's secretely rending on crits

[tall torrent]

the most fucked ones are charge-fire weapons and pellet weapons

[analog yacht]

yeah

[tall torrent]

they're the reason I decided to not add stagger details for ranged weapons

[analog yacht]

I wanted to have it in a spreadsheet so I could recreate this

those equations are so fucky though

[tall torrent]

I honestly think it's better to just list dmg values
and tell people how it's calculated
so people can decide what talents they will want to match those breakpoints

instead of listing it per enemy

like, this is so much cleaner and covers all the important enemies u'll want to shoot anyway

[analog yacht]

I might add an extra row that's rager head bc of the 20% head DR those guys have

[tall torrent]

that'll be covered in dreg rager's own section

and it's x85%, not x80%

maniac matters more for trapper/flamer which have no body part DR

[analog yacht]

oop, yeah 85%

[gentle lake]

How do I make the infantry lasgun good

[vapid thunder]

american captain

burger mcgrill

[formal hamlet]

Okay this time I was that guy who shot the pox burster near a teammate.

Did not see teammate running at the burster while I was shooting it.

[unreal nova]

Gawddamnit.

[formal hamlet]

But otherwise, very smooth damnation run.

Nobody died etc.

[unreal nova]

I can't decide if Lynette skill issue or Kirara Skill issue is better.

[formal hamlet]

One thing though.

I know VoC is kinda OP.

But VoC is kinda OP.

I would use it, and what felt like immediately after using it, it was off cooldown again.

[crude star]

yes, lotsa specials

[formal hamlet]

Like this thing may as well just become a passive it's just permanantly on.

[unreal nova]

It's the CDR thing tbh.

[formal hamlet]

Oh that's why.

[unreal nova]

If it's pox train.

[crude star]

sicne its' a flat time amount

[unreal nova]

You can push one, insta restore ult.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I thought lemme not use stealth knife build because maybe I'm just getting carried on damnation.

[unreal nova]

Because chain explosions.

[formal hamlet]

VoC plasma gun just felt even more carried.

[unreal nova]

It's plasma... That thing is literally the most OP gun.

For Vet.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it's cool as heck and I hope it stays mega strong but I do want to have to worry about the percentage thing.

Like if I'm hip firing if I'm not mistaken I can't ever die from it, I don't think I ever have, in fact.

[unreal nova]

It's basically ranged dueling sword. Just it CLEAVES while DS pokes one thing DEAD.

[formal hamlet]

Oh yeah the fact I can wallbang with it is extra spicy.

Amazed this thing has remained unnerfed for so long.

[unreal nova]

And ppl wonder why there's ideas to nerf it.

[formal hamlet]

IIRC it's been like this since day one.

[unreal nova]

Especially the hipfire part.

You can't die from hipfire.

It just forces a cooldown.

So press special.

But for like 2 ticks.

Unless you literally have 0 toughness and like 10 HP.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, funny thing is this isn't some obscure plasma gun tech that makes it strong, a couple of missions from a QA tester would've made this very evident.

[unreal nova]

At that point, skill issue.

[formal hamlet]

I got bigger problems in that situation.

[unreal nova]

YOu just m1/pull right trigger.

I know.

Is why massive skill issue if you need to special at that low HP.

Like, how did you get to the point in the first place to go down by the forced cooldown?

[formal hamlet]

I definitely want to see it tweaked so I feel like there's a downside to using such a powerful weapon, but I also want to make sure it keeps feeling powerful. It's a plasma gun after all, I should delete shit with one shot, but I should be worried about deleting myself too.

[unreal nova]

That's why the nerfs are more focused on the quick shots.

To make charging more valuable.

[formal hamlet]

AH so they are nerfing it. About time.

Only took them like...

[unreal nova]

And the moment you ADS charge, well, you are now a psyker.

[formal hamlet]

Has this game been out for a year? Surely it has.

How are they nerfing hipfire?

[unreal nova]

Soontm actually.

The Chinese change logs had leaks.

[formal hamlet]

Ohhh.

[unreal nova]

But it's probably not final and I can understand why they want to think about it longer.

Not everyone like the nerfs.

Game's getting review bombed over it tbh.

And so soon to a big DLC launch is profits lost.

[formal hamlet]

Power fantasy is huge in this game, nerfs have to still make the gun feel badass.

And that's tricky to do sometimes.

Plasma gun blowing up in my face though? That actually adds to it for me lol.

[unreal nova]

Yep. Some people say, just make it so hip fire can also kill you.

So better git gud at management.

[formal hamlet]

Easiest way to fix it, sure.

Not sure if it's the most elegant solution but it's a start.

[unreal nova]

I can also understand halving the cleave as well. 100 is stupid.

They wanted to make it 10.

[formal hamlet]

Cleave is how many people in goes through right?

I'm fine with that being high personally, feels badass.

[unreal nova]

Which is still more cleave than any other ranged weapon other than flamers.

[formal hamlet]

I think someone should not have ammo to be firing into hordes like that casually though, so that should be an ammo management skill issue.

[unreal nova]

Well, not quite but yes.

Everything has a hit mass.

So say if a pox walker has a mass of 1, you can hit 10 of them with a shot.

[formal hamlet]

Hell yeah.

[unreal nova]

If cleave is 10.

[formal hamlet]

It's a 40K plasma gun, makes sense.

Aren't these things like the craziest ranged weapon a man can have?

[unreal nova]

100 is insane for that reason barring high havocs.

[formal hamlet]

I'm a Tau enjoyer so I don't know much manking lore in 40k.

Our plasma guns don't blow up in our hands.

[crude star]

i just want the charge shot to be worth it instead of m1 spam or whatever

[unreal nova]

Neither do I. I'm more about the demon side of Chaos. XD

The bodyhorror and mutations and such.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I think plasma gun cleaving through like... everything is lore accurate, but I'm not an expert.

[unreal nova]

I know abit about the Sisters other than that.

[formal hamlet]

And yeah I agree Zext, I don't just want hipfire to have the same risks as ADS, I want more incentive to use ADS too.

[unreal nova]

But it does take away fun from others if you think about it... but then again... Stares at Oggy and Arbites.

Psyker at least has the... So paper a wind will kill them.

So you either git real gud or be a dook smyker.

[torn gorge]

idk man

trauma is quite safe

bubble is mega safe

combine the 2

[unreal nova]

But the other reason why ppl are mad is... Vet really don't need more nerfs till their dook stuff are brought to reasonable lvl.

[formal hamlet]

Possibly, but I think it makes it more fun to wield, others can wield it too, and the main incentive to stop me from deleting hordes due to high cleave should be ammo management and heat management. In the example of pox bursters all dying from one shot, I think we could consider this a scenario where plasma gun truly shines due to its properties. In the lore, the downside to the plasma gun is that when you fire it, you roll a dice I think to see if it kills you. But if it doesn't kill you, the thing is basically a pocket nuke.

[unreal nova]

They are already last place in everything except gold toughness spam.

[formal hamlet]

I want more viable exec order, I like that skill but it falls flat compared to VoC.

Vet stealth skill needs a slight rework too IMO.

[stuck gorge]

stealth skill is literally just dump agro onto teammates for 8 seconds

[torn gorge]

thats zealot skill as well

[formal hamlet]

VoC needs to get toned down a bit or they need to remove the passive that shortens cooldown because I should have a super strong skill that I can spam easily like that.

[torn gorge]

but at least stealth applies a suppression when you get out

[unreal nova]

Oh and I realised I cut my finger like 6 hours after I made food.

Gib sec, finding plaster.

[stuck gorge]

zealot skill also has the problem but at least it has the slight boon of maybe dealing more damage when they swing (they're going to entirely whiff the hit)

[unreal nova]

The passive works on all ults though.

[formal hamlet]

Gross, which one is it? I need to get that for my stealth one.

That's the one thing where cooldown feels forever.

[unreal nova]

Forgot name, check middle tree.

You'll know when you see it.

[unreal nova]

Is below For the emperor.

[stuck gorge]

right below red node on middle keystone path

[formal hamlet]

Aha this one.

I'm putting that on every build whenever I can.

[hollow ibex]

it's a mandatory take, like iron will

[formal hamlet]

Especially now that I'm on damnation I feel like I get more mileage out of it.

Like I'm so stingy with skill activations, I use it like once every 5-10 minutes.

But I've just come to accept that I can spam that stuff and it's off cooldown instantly.

[unreal nova]

It's still a stagger than can annoy enemies and help.

If you mean stealth.

[formal hamlet]

Any of them.

[unreal nova]

You can instant melee to break it early if needed.

[formal hamlet]

Stealth especially since I wanna hold onto it in case someone goes down.

But I do the same with VoC and Exec.

These are like 30s cooldowns.

Need to stop treating it like it's an ult or something.

[unreal nova]

Still ult. XD

You can't change someone who played MOBAs terms of things.

[stuck gorge]

exec stance i just used whenever i was gonna use my gun because it was just a free buff to ranged weapon

[formal hamlet]

Exec I wouldn't trigger unless I can see 5+ specials / elites in front of me.

And since I used to mainly play Diff 3 and 4, that wasn't all that often.

VoC I tried to learn to keep an eye on team toughness so I can trigger it when it's clutch.

[dusk osprey]

i know im a minority with this but i still stand firm that iron will is a whole tier below heightened senses

[formal hamlet]

But after that last mission truth is just press F off cooldown, it's 10x simpler.

[stuck gorge]

whats heightened senses?

[formal hamlet]

What's Iron Will.

[stuck gorge]

i dont think ive ever heard anyone say this nodes name 🥀

[heavy rover]

What's stamina? -deadshot user

[formal hamlet]

I've taken deadshot off my builds and I'm a happier man for it.

Though the better I get the less I'm ADSing so...

[unreal nova]

Just spam it when you sense sus.

[stuck gorge]

am i just blind i cant find heightened senses

[unreal nova]

Because it means shit is going to happen.

[dusk osprey]

cant send a screenshot but its like iron will if it didnt rely on the player's lack of skill to down them first

[formal hamlet]

I need to look up what's a special and what's an elite.

I think elites are the dogs and trappers.

[uncut pebble]

Specialists make sound when they spawn.

[formal hamlet]

Okay maybe other way around.

[uncut pebble]

Trappers, mutants, flamers, bombers, snipers, and dogs.

Elites are anything else you can ping.

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha.

[uncut pebble]

Except bosses, ofc.

[unreal nova]

This is like common sense.

[wet elk]

i just came back playing after a long time, can you really only do havoc with a party?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

It's intended that way.

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Bots will suck. Min 2 players.

[wet elk]

meh

[uncut pebble]

Bots already get folded like a lawnchair in aurics.

[wet elk]

no parties in the partyfinder either

[uncut pebble]

They do not survive in havoc.

[formal hamlet]

People use the party finder?

[stuck gorge]

also ive finally finished the place 500 med/ammo pack penance 🔥

[dusk osprey]

Tier 3 has 2 charges and will insta-kills whatever captures you upon activation, includes a passive for grab early warning. applies to cave leecches, grabbers, nemesis, and trawlers; the only thing it doesnt insta-kill is a nemesis.

[heavy rover]

i suggest the lfg chat

[unreal nova]

1-10 is fine.

[stuck gorge]

OH you meant in DRG

[wet elk]

i like playing alone

[unreal nova]

GL after.

[dusk osprey]

DEADASS forgot what discord im in

[stuck gorge]

i thought you were saying a darktide talent 😭

[crude star]

how important is killzone really

hmm

[dusk osprey]

i hit send and then realized

[heavy rover]

Ohhhh that iron will

rock and stone!

[dusk osprey]

for karl

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but they will get obliterated in any tier that has fading light.

Bots are not smart enough to dodge bullets.

[stuck gorge]

Stone and rock! oh wait...

[unreal nova]

But then again... Some vets be like that in H40 as well. Not even 1 min, ded.

[dusk osprey]

i love how much cross-polination there is between deep rock and darktide players

and helldivers ig but i dont play dat one

[tall torrent]

iron will is kinda overrated in DRG

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it's just horde shooters in general.

[dusk osprey]

AGREE

[unreal nova]

The only good thing is... MUSIC MODS.

[uncut pebble]

Right? Glyphids cannot legally down you if you do not consent.

[stuck gorge]

iron will is nice if you have one on the team just incase

but otherwise just dont all die at once

smh

[tall torrent]

it's worth it for gunner/driller/scout, depends
I don't like it for engineer

[stuck gorge]

now are yall a red sugar/resupplier/vampire perk enjoyer

[unreal nova]

Vampire, yes.

[tall torrent]

there's only 1 correct choice for red perks and it's resupplier + vampire + born ready

[dusk osprey]

"(heightened senses is) like iron will if it didnt rely on the player's lack of skill to down them first"

i dont run it on any of my dwarves lol

[unreal nova]

Bonking everything with pickaxe modded to be a katana is funni.

[dusk osprey]

i do not be going down in deep rock like that

[formal hamlet]

Best blessings on devil's claw real quick? I forgot.

[tall torrent]

shred + rampage for base game

[dusk osprey]

but if i do go down anymore; its to something that captures me, so heightened senses just kinda took the cake in terms of countering what actually will get me

[formal hamlet]

You the guy who makes the Veteran guide?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[unreal nova]

You took awhile to realise that? XD

[dusk osprey]

society-if-darktide-had-the-same-mod-menu-as-deeprock-meme.png

[formal hamlet]

Oh, no, I had a question regarding it.

[unreal nova]

Just press one button... unless you wanna use a third party loader.

[formal hamlet]

I'm on Chrome and when the guide says "click on weapon icon to go to its section" nothing happens for me, I was wondering if that's normal.

[heavy rover]

it works for me, though I did download it as a pdf

[tall torrent]

dt modding is better because ur mods don't all get instantly fked if game drops any hotfix

[tall torrent]

ctrl + click

[formal hamlet]

Ah okay, nice, will give that a true.

[stuck gorge]

one of my mods hasnt been updated for like 2 years and it still works fine

[dusk osprey]

silly that period of time is for Total War: Warhammer III

[unreal nova]

Doesn't work for the .drive online ver btw.

[tall torrent]

I love when goggly eyes for glyphids instantly crashed the game because ghostship dropped a hotfix that patched a crash that 99.97% players never knew was a thing

[unreal nova]

Don't remnind me how they broke things I installed so I didn't have to run around the place.

And then they put a tree in the place of my Glyphid pet designer.

So CRASH.

[formal hamlet]

If ctrl click doesn't work I'll just try to download the PDF.

[tall torrent]

also that word doc has been out of date for a long time

best to just ask questions in dm or ping me here tbh

[formal hamlet]

Oh...

[tall torrent]

most of it is still like

relevant

[formal hamlet]

Alright good to know.

[tall torrent]

but it's not "fully accurate" for OCD people

[unreal nova]

Is okay for quick refs. Just ask to be sure basically.

[tall torrent]

and the steam ver of guide will bring a lot of updates to info

weapon builds etc

[formal hamlet]

So steam guide is the main one to keep an eye on?

[tall torrent]

yes, but it's not yet finished so it's not published

unlike fatshark I don't plan on releasing unfinished products

[formal hamlet]

I'll bear that in mind. Sometimes I wanna check what's the best blessing to put on my weapon or something and don't wanna ask here in case someone's like "it's in the guide bro".

[tall torrent]

and the steam ver is big

way bigger than the word doc

in all the right ways

if u thought a 100-page document was too much

this is just the intro for steam ver

[formal hamlet]

Ay man as long as you have a table of contents with links to easily navigate sections that's great.

[tall torrent]

steam guide has that part built in

[formal hamlet]

You'll never see me complaining about too much info in a guide.

I'm gonna ignore 99% of it and just look for the bit I need help with anyway.

[formal hamlet]

Oh nice, layout looks good with the weapon portraits etc. to not make it feel visually cluttered.

I try to make guides for games sometimes but the game updating and invalidating half the shit I worked on feels very disheartening lol.

Like trying to build a sick castle on quicksand.

[tall torrent]

I can probably finish almost all the veteran parts by the end of next month

and then add zealot/psyker/arbites stuff over time

almost done with overhauling ranged weapons

[unreal nova]

I WANT TO PIN THIS SO BAD.

So 1 month later I can be like... Path, where guide?

[tall torrent]

I'm not even joking

after I started reading into source code it's been pretty quick in compiling info

[unreal nova]

Oh.

But yeah, mostly it's because of all the jokes on procratinating because RT added 3 months to it heh.

[tall torrent]

I finished RT already

[unreal nova]

Oh. DLCs?

[tall torrent]

overhauling ranged weapons' sections rn to make them look cleaner

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[tall torrent]

I prob won't revisit that game for a while

cuz DT dlc comes first and is more interesting to me

then guide

[unreal nova]

XD

[tall torrent]

then expansions to guide for other classes

then borderlands 4 drop

then maybe black myth wukong dlc, who knows

[unreal nova]

Does this mean +3 months to any edits if things change for DT happens?

[tall torrent]

not sure

I prob won't play BL4 on release

cuz my friends may not get it on release

and Borderlands solo is not that fun for me

[unreal nova]

I know the feel. But the lag also... Heh.

[fading yarrow]

Absolutely nothing makes me tempted to Khorne more than my grenade button (down D-pad) pulling out medipacks or ammo crates instead

[unreal nova]

Oh, that's common.

is why i usually don't wanna carry them.

Except on my zealot cos if i have to throw my knoife at things and not just use it to quick pull flamers, we are karked so hard in the H40 run already.

[fading yarrow]

It's rare enough for me that it almost gets my eye twitching when it does happen

I'm glad to know this is an actual issue and not just me fat-fingering, though

[unreal nova]

Really depends on the Dpad.

Some are more rigid so a brush won't trigger.

But if you have like OG Xbox and 360... Heh.

With my current, it's more accidental fatfingering.

It's also just as annoying trying to stim but you drop the crate/kit.

[formal hamlet]

Man what the hell.

They either added new maps.

Or Damnation adds extensions to existing maps.

I've never done this area in my life.

[unreal nova]

Which?

I know they reworked the showers for a map.

[formal hamlet]

That one I think.

Big open square room.

[unreal nova]

Consignment yard?

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I've 100% never done this before there was this green place at the end and then we gotta destroy some vats.

I died right at the end but we cleared.

Got left behind.

Was running around like a headless chicken praying my team knows the mechanics because I didn't know wtf was going on.

Prime example.

Explosion outta nowhere I get knocked back and I'm like "wtf is going on?" and then trapper gets me lol.

I died to something I actually get hit a lot by, but because now I'm on damnation it's actually getting me killed and not just getting me hit.

I accidentally jump when I'm trying to dodge when things get too intense.

Got me whacked and deaded.

I died in the big square open white-ish room too earlier.

Team was just standing in the middle of it so I went with them, stick with team.

Gunner melts me instantly.

But hey we cleared so still a W.

Damnation a lot more doable than I expected.

Definitely failing some too, but was failing some based on team RNG in Heresy anyway.

[normal bay]

That's just the Dark Communion ending?

[formal hamlet]

Never seen it.

[unreal nova]

Oh. So it's the new map... "NEW".

[formal hamlet]

It is a new map?

Up until the big room and this final area it felt very samey ngl.

[unreal nova]

Rebind jump and dodge to seperate things.

If controller, use Alt 1.

[formal hamlet]

Hmm.

[normal bay]

It was added last year, October-ish I think?

[formal hamlet]

I only know about the train one that got added, guess this one totally went under my radar.

[normal bay]

Well, it shares a lot with the other carnival maps

[normal bay]

Rebind jump and dodge or select a different button layout, then select a setting for "always dodge" (?). It will stop this

[formal hamlet]

These I assume?

[unreal nova]

Always dodge.

Assuming you rebinded already.

[formal hamlet]

Nah didn't rebind, hoping these would just help me avoid that altogether.

[unreal nova]

Nope.

best rebind.

Seriously.

[formal hamlet]

Damn. What do you guys have it on for keyboard?

[unreal nova]

I have no reason to lie.

Rebind or use Alt 1 on controller.

[normal bay]

You'll be kicking yourself when that overhead mashes through your skull

[unreal nova]

Ppl say space to dodge.

Jump on something else.

[normal bay]

We're both controller unfort lol

[formal hamlet]

Maybe left alt if I can remember wtf it's used for by default.

[normal bay]

You rarely need to jump, so you can use something a bit out of the way

[unreal nova]

I plug and play controller on PC so.....

[unreal nova]

Mantle.

You might need it to drop down quickly.

[formal hamlet]

Like climb?

tbh I thought jump already did that.

[loud belfry]

I use alt for dodge, space for jump

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah not seeing anything on alt by default so made alt jump and space dodge.

[unreal nova]

But I'm saying it's important enough to not put too far away.

[formal hamlet]

I will be falling off maps and stuff for a while now.

[unreal nova]

Once you get used to it, it'll be alot better.

No more dumb accidents.

[formal hamlet]

So with dodge having a dedicated key now, any reason to mess with any of these?

[unreal nova]

Only skill issues.

You should still turn on always dodge.

[pale violet]

to my fellow vets what is a good all around kinda talent tree there is so many to choose from

[unreal nova]

Or test them in the psykhanium to see if it flows with you.

For some, might not be good.

Try them there at least.

[formal hamlet]

I put them all on, feels more consistent this way.

Basically any direction triggers a dodge of some kind now.

forward or neutral position gives me a back dash.

[tall torrent]

space for dodge
mouse button for jump

dodge is way more important than jump

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, space for dodge, I put jump on left alt.

I use mouse button for blitz and alt attack.

[tall torrent]

but jump still useful so u want it easily accessible

[unreal nova]

Ah. But is why I just say to try it. Is still worth the separate rebinds at the bare min.

[formal hamlet]

Been playing this game for how many hours and I swear besides the green healing stim I have no idea what the others do and it seems nobody else does because I never see anyone pick up shit unless it's a green stim.

[faint beacon]

I do an inverse, Mouse 4 (Rests next to my thumb) is dodge, space is jump

mainly cause its right there

incredibly imporant, feels better to me

[unreal nova]

Red is rending and damage, blu is fast as fuck and slower stam used, yellow is CDR over time.

[normal bay]

Vet tends to have some specific talents that will work for different builds/weapons but this should be a good core for a shout build. From here you could reach out for a keystone or go for some other talents

[unreal nova]

THey do more for psyker for red/blue... but that comes later.

[formal hamlet]

Those sound genuinely handy, I guess like me nobody remembers what they do so they just ignore them.

[pale violet]

ty sir i will look into this tonight when im on

[formal hamlet]

Blue on my Sonic Vet build sounds good. Though to be fair I don't have stamina problems on that.

[crude star]

oh, that's what the yellow stim does

[formal hamlet]

Yellow giving CDR is nice though.

Even more VoC spam etc.

[unreal nova]

It speeds up your cooldowns for ult, basically.

You get 3 shouts with 1 stim, assuming no kills.

[formal hamlet]

So these are the "essentials"?

[unreal nova]

Is more faster aspd. Better for critproccing.

[formal hamlet]

I might make a build on games lantern with that so I can use it as a starting point.

[normal bay]

Sort of, middle tree can vary a bit. Sometimes you might want to take fire team to save points or use different grenades

[formal hamlet]

IS there an alternate version of this for WS "core" build?

[normal bay]

Example

Obvs not saving points here but it's not as bad as zealot and there isn't one route lol

[formal hamlet]

How the heck do you have the patience to do this stuff on a phone.

[normal bay]

It takes a couple secs on gameslantern lol

[meager rampart]

which hellbore lasgun mark is the best? leveling it up for mastery

[formal hamlet]

The Mark IIIa or something, the inbetween one.

I think it's green?

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's not hard, lul.

[meager rampart]

Lucius MK IIIa?

[normal bay]

This is what I ran for a bolt pistol build, just an example. It's expensive, so you'll have to focus on what you really need for your weapons

[formal hamlet]

You got bolt pistol for armour, what's krak for? Boss?

Never used bolt pistol but I assume it hits hard?

[normal bay]

It's meh for crushers

Was using mk3 shovel for armour

Hmm, I picked serrated blade instead of agile engagement

Oops

[tacit sonnet]

not really

[formal hamlet]

I wish exec stance reloaded my gun when I switch off it

[normal bay]

The Orgyns are better at using their weapons than vets apparently

[stuck gorge]

honestly when are they going to readd that feature

[stuck gorge]

[quick seal]

I don’t really use grenades a lot as veteran 🤫

I don’t like using grenades and I’m tempted to free up the grenade regen skill points 🤫🤑

You would probably think it’s veteran heresy! But I just don’t use grenades that much to get use out of them

[loud belfry]

use em

shrimple

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-its-as-shrimple-as-that-not-so-shrimple-elden-ring-elden-ring-meme-gif-26027466

[quick seal]

Nah the only time I use them is when I see a monstrosity and I chuck out three grenades

I don’t really use grenades for horde clear

[formal hamlet]

Well that's fair, I used to be the same.

[loud belfry]

I think it's mainly for ogryns and monsters

[formal hamlet]

But now I sorta see grenades as a way to add more versatility to my kit. Based on what ranged and melee I've chosen to use, I might be a bit weak in something, so I can bring frags to deal with hordes better or kraks to nuke armour better etc.

[quick seal]

I find they’re clunky, take too long to go off (you can’t cook grenades in this game), and idiosyncratic (you can quick toss the krak grenade but you can’t quick toss the frag).
I find that the only situation in which I find it advantageous to sit through the long animation and waiting for the grenade to go off (as opposed to just shooting the enemy immediately) are for ogryns and monstrosities. And they’re interspersed enough that I can rely on grenade boxes, as opposed to needing regenerating grenades constantly.

[formal hamlet]

Maybe it's because I'm a very regular power sword user, but similar to finding moments to charge it up, I feel finding moments to toss grenades is the same. In fact finding moments might be the wrong word, it's more like I learn to create the opening I need for such things with a shove etc.

[loud belfry]

maybe can use grenade to skip animations

[formal hamlet]

I like to use frags for all sorts. Massive horde coming my way? Nade just to cut it down a bit. Teammate down? Frag them so I can get an opening to revive easier. Ogryns rushing me? Frags to stagger if I'm not running kraks. I've started playing on Damnation today where gunners are absolutely lethal so I've even come to appreciate smoke for various reasons.

Also love tossing a nade to an overwhelmed teammate since it's faster than me going there, gets the job done, and lets me be in two places at once.

Speaking of nades I didn't even realise I could underhand throw them until today lmao.

I've always just aimed at the ground and left clicked lol.

Oh and a quick frag to open a path when I'm boxed in also is great.

Can still do these things without grenade regen too, just won't be able to every time.

Besides regen though I don't go all in on grenades myself, I know a few people here seem to swear by full on grenadier builds but I'm here to shoot mfs.

[quick seal]

Yeah!!!! Woo! Shoot mfs!

[formal hamlet]

Killzone vs Opening Salvo?

Don't like running VoC on my Helbore, making a exec stance build instead.

[hollow ibex]

opening salvo is generally quite bad

[formal hamlet]

I'm guessing Killzone by default, but curious how much Killzone helps in practice.

[hollow ibex]

killzone is ok

[formal hamlet]

So here's something I'm not sure about, though my assumption is going to be PS.

If I'm bringing Helbore and need something in my kit to deal with carapace, between my power sword, rashad axe and knife, which does that best?

[hollow ibex]

prob psword because realistically you likely won't have points to run rashad (needs trench fighter)

with helbore ES build

also helby can deal with carapace too

[formal hamlet]

But with TF it becomes rashad huh? Good to know.

[hollow ibex]

with TF it could be PS or rashad

up to you

[formal hamlet]

Still got 14 points, trying to see if I can build something decent (as far as exec stance goes) based on what I've learned.

[hollow ibex]

PS can be annoying to use as a backup

[formal hamlet]

Yeah PS is a finnicky bitch sometimes but I love it.

One gripe I have with it though.

Even when it's charged, it doesn't cleave enough.

Like it's a goddamn power sword son.

Should literally be cleaving through flesh like butter.

[hollow ibex]

do you have brumentum?

should fuck

[formal hamlet]

Yeah.

But with light swings for example.

Doesn't cleave all the way through big hordes.

Which just feels wrong.

[hollow ibex]

with brumentum it should cleave idk, 7 poxxers, more?

could also try sunder i guess

i don't think it's worth tho

[formal hamlet]

Still gets the job done don't get me wrong, but when it's charged it should cut through everything. Make that shit a lightsaber, let me cut open doors baby.

I want that shit to cleave the way my plasma gun pens through like 50 dudes, goes through a wall and kills a random guy who hadn't even agro'd yet.

Also I don't play Imperium on tabletop but a unit with power sword and a plasma gun gotta be quite expensive points wise.

Also, one of the reasons I love tagging / exec stance, is because it feels like whenever there's an Ogryn in my team I'm always ADSing into their ass since they wanna be up front.

No idea if my shots lose damage when going through allies.

[hollow ibex]

nope you're good

[hollow ibex]

aaand this is why i have a mod that makes them transparent

[formal hamlet]

Thank god.

[hollow ibex]

esp when i'm trying to use precision weapons

and they park their fat ass in front of me

[formal hamlet]

I wanna stay vanilla but boy are there some very tempting mods for this game.

[molten oar]

The scope mods do be tempting

Might actually even improve my Helbore gaming

[formal hamlet]

Indeed.

[true jackal]

it'll give you a usable sight picture at the very least

[molten oar]

As it is its a pain to compete with teammates to get a single helbore kill

[true jackal]

that may not be helped that much with the buff

[formal hamlet]

I got 6 skill points remaining and I can't decide if I wanna use them to spec into grenades a bit or trench fighter.

[brave acorn]

Depends on your melee whether TF is gonna be good imo

[formal hamlet]

There's some good talents on the way down to TF too which take my fancy.

Like desperado.

[hollow ibex]

yeah right side is goated

[formal hamlet]

They sound good at least.

[brave acorn]

I spec that branch a lot because I do so much melee

If you’re playing with a good team grenades might be better

[formal hamlet]

Are Rending Strike and Bring it Down both really good or are they "eh", I need to free up a few points.

[gilded wraith]

Both are decent.

[formal hamlet]

Removing FT too to save a point, I hear it's okay to go keystoneless as Vet.

[hollow ibex]

generally only recon las vet goes keystoneless

its otherwise recommended to still take a keystone when you can

[formal hamlet]

Hm, in that case no right side talents I guess, will use what's left to get nade upgrade and that's that.

[uncut pebble]

Keystoneless is fine as long as your weapons dont need a keystone.

[formal hamlet]

Marksman good?

[uncut pebble]

Like, if youre using rashad, you want weapon spec.

[uncut pebble]

Yes and no.

[formal hamlet]

This is a Helbore build I'm making up for a bit of fun.

[uncut pebble]

Excellent damage, complete pain in the ass to use.

[formal hamlet]

And to see if I can put something together.

Marksman with Helbore and Exec Stance?

[brave acorn]

In that case you probably want superiority complex, if you don’t have it already

For all the damage

[formal hamlet]

aaaaand the game didn't somehow remember the talents I set.

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather take FT with helby

[heavy rover]

I've already got a helbore build lined up and ready for the update to drop

[formal hamlet]

What about Marksman vs. Demo Team?

[heavy rover]

marksman focus?

[hollow ibex]

im assuming he's talking about the red node

i'd rather take demo team

[heavy rover]

ah

yeah same, I prefer demolition team

[formal hamlet]

Help, it keeps not remembering my talent allocation.

Am I meant to press something to confirm it or something.

[brave acorn]

You gotta set everything and back straight out to the mourningstar

[formal hamlet]

Ah I see, phew.

[hollow ibex]

if you switch builds you should see that your previous build is still there

[void dragon]

Dumb Idea of the day: would it be too much to ask to have infantry lasguns have a special action where you burn some of your ammo pool to generate a grenade? Might be a fun way to make the gun have a lore driven new twist instead of that silly inverted fall-of damage

(the grenade would be a generic explosion of energy, as it overcharge a mag for the makeshift nade)

[narrow frost]

yes

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f364bf8-78d8-48fe-a9d2-d9a443060696/veteran-alternate-helbore

I didn't check for superiority complex, not sure where that is.

[void dragon]

It is taken, is in the left side of the perk tree near the end

[formal hamlet]

Ah yes, I hear that one is good.

[void dragon]

As per usual fun is too much to ask with ObeseFish (but you had to be so direct? [I know you had])

[hollow ibex]

looks good but i'd drop tinkerer and take redirect fire

half the value of FT is from redirect fire tbh

[tacit sonnet]

Why did I not listen to you

I should've listened to you

It's so useless

For them it's either buff weapon so all weapon are as strong as ds or nerf weapon means it becomes completely useless and trash

There's no inbetween

WHY DID I NOT LISTEN TO YOU

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23725523

[void dragon]

It's more productive to see paint dry on a wall than trying to change the ways of the close minded
Live and learn

[tacit sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-gordon-ramsay-masterchef-crying-weeping-gif-21944725

[molten oar]

tbf the game tells us to be close minded /s

[formal hamlet]

That's not what I would have expected. I normally get Target Down if I have to choose between the two, isn't it like 7% damage?

[void dragon]

Lore accurate rejects

Yeah, the bonus isn't THAT important, is a good help but you can skip it and only take the keystone and work enough

[hollow ibex]

it's a 7.5% damage boost for your team that's on at basically all times

that's pretty good

[unreal nova]

See.

[tacit sonnet]

Their only argument is "It's a pve game"

Literally

I'm going insane

https://tenor.com/view/dan-hentschel-orb-dan-hentschel-gif-10507097856484227824

[unreal nova]

I told you better left as in for now basically or learn new weapons.

[void dragon]

"A PvE game can be balanced" can be a valid argument that they will ignore immediately

[unreal nova]

Why I rather it be op and just forgotten and new weapons just be more attractive.

[tacit sonnet]

I don't want to continie

Please...

Make... It... Stop...

[void dragon]

Then stop

[brave acorn]

Just learn the new meta

It will eventually change

[void dragon]

Embrace shovel and be happy

[crude star]

what do yall put on curious againt when it comes to resistances and stuff

[true jackal]

really only gunners is worth using, sniper is kinda as well

[crude star]

just stack gunners on all 3?

o

[hollow ibex]

3x sprint efficiency is mandatory

[tacit sonnet]

corruption resistance if I feel like it

[hollow ibex]

1x sniper is good

1 or 2x gunner

[tacit sonnet]

3 stamina regen is mandatory*

[hollow ibex]

and generic hp / toughness is also good

[hollow ibex]

this discussion has been had many a times

[tacit sonnet]

ok

[hollow ibex]

vet's the only class where i'd say take sprint eff over stam regen

should be obvious why

[loud belfry]

I personally think they should avoid nerfing things but everything should at least be able to be good at something (even if that something is being a generalist/jack of all trades) . if they do nerf things it should be because it's clearly stronger than everything else in the most important categories

[crude star]

my curious before were just sprint eff/toughness/stam regen

[hollow ibex]

you def don't need both stam regen and sprint eff

[crude star]

yeah, s'why i decided to get some of them resistances

[unreal nova]

Or well, nerf oggy and arbites first.

Vet already has a serious gun pool of what, 5 guns?

One might be kark'd soon.

Plasma, Recon, Bistol, inf auto, heavy laspistol.

Inf auto is also bordering on eh because shocktroop doesn't work on it so extra ammo weight.

Bistol is only for 'nade builds as a statstick.

Everything else either feels underpowered or one of those covers the niche they do better.

I won't talk hellbores since honestly never used it, but you know the downsides to it.

[quiet valley]

No Helbore Slander in the chat please

[brave acorn]

Helbore ain’t awesome, convince me otherwise

[quiet valley]

Every weapon in B tier and above is more than viable in H40

[unreal nova]

Look, you know it comes with downsides. I have no clue how the buffs will feel, but I rather not go into them. All they are is no need for actual ammo tins but requires either more skill, or ppl willing to cover.

[quiet valley]

All you need is a 50% accuracy rate and the ability to kite with your rifle out.

[unreal nova]

Revolver in h40, are you serious?

[quiet valley]

You are gonna eat all the ammo, but it will still kill shit

[fading yarrow]

Gentlemen

It is my utmost pleasure and highest honor to present...

Four boobs

[quiet valley]

I been coming around on the Infantry Autoguns too, might bump them to B/C tier

[unreal nova]

But that either forces ppl to give you everything, so a fixed party with ppl willing, or trash if PF pubs want ammo as well.

[brave acorn]

Your results speak for themselves, it’s just that it forces you to play a certain way. So far, I haven’t found the benefits to be anywhere near the cost

[quiet valley]

You can play Exec stance for full sharpshooter RP or go shout, its up to you

Exec stance lets the Helbore shit out crazy numbers tho

[brave acorn]

See I need my VoC

[unreal nova]

Your list is for you anyway.

I personally wouldn't rate some of the b for H40.

Unless the player skill is like Ainz.

Which 90% of the player pool totally isn't.

[quiet valley]

Vigilants are very good, wdym?

[unreal nova]

That's revolver.

You are expecting random pubs to give you 100% ammo.

[quiet valley]

I mean its usable, its a B tier weapon, that about fits the bill for it.

Does a lot of damge, with the downside of ammo and reloads, there's better options, but its still very viable

[unreal nova]

But it's not that great if you have only survivalist to live on.

[quiet valley]

You just need to read your lobby

If I see ammo hungry builds, I run Las weapons, go zero pickups

If not, ill bring something to chug ammo

[pseudo fiber]

I feel mk2b lasgun and agripnaa shotgun could be b tier

[unreal nova]

I did forget about bolter, but the trade off is the same, very hungry for ammo.

[quiet valley]

Stick at it, its only going to get a lot better after the buffs next update

[brave acorn]

I’m a hopeless meta slave🤣

[quiet valley]

Agripnna could def go B, I need more testing with the mk2b, It doesnt have the ammo eco I want it to have for the dmg it offers

[unreal nova]

I honestly wouldn't want to seriously talk about the buffed weapons till the changes are live. No point talking about their current status.

[quiet valley]

I mean if a weapon is already performing well, and its slated to get a buff, it can only get better?

[pseudo fiber]

agripinaa will be easy A post buffs

[formal hamlet]

Go to blessings and perks for infantry lasgun?

[unreal nova]

They might not change either since some buffs feel, tone deaf.

[quiet valley]

Im so ready for the shotgun buffs

[formal hamlet]

Oh and which mark.

[pseudo fiber]

I understand why the arbites shotguns are exclusive but imagine the exaction shotgun on Vet

[unreal nova]

They just get a better shotgun.

[pseudo fiber]

mk2b is consider the best right now I think
flak maniac
headhunter
deadly accurate or ghost
dump mobility

[pseudo fiber]

the amount of playtesters using the combat shotgun on arbites makes me think it may be a different shotgun

[quiet valley]

MkVII is what I gnerally use with Deadly Accurate and Headhunter.

[pseudo fiber]

the lasguns do their job

which is killing ranged

that's about it lol

[quiet valley]

yeah it sucks cuz that all they do

bad boss dmg, cant kill Maulers with chest shots efficiently, horrible sway and suppression weakness

[hollow ibex]

lasguns are pretty pathetic rn

[pseudo fiber]

one taps shooters tho

[quiet valley]

But they do what they set out to do on the tin ig

[pseudo fiber]

[unreal nova]

They probably do have their own fancy one. And part of me wants to bet it's better than even the DB.

[pseudo fiber]

the db isn't that good on arbites from what I've seen

that is a vet weapon true and true

[quiet valley]

One is a Duckbill choke and the other is brittleness slugs iirc

[unreal nova]

Yeah. But I mean general stat wise.

[tall torrent]

next patch helbore should be able to draw to fire in 0.67~0.8s with one motion

[hollow ibex]

what is it now?

[tall torrent]

1~1.2s with one motion

[hollow ibex]

wow that'll be huge

[pseudo fiber]

they're knocking .4 off that mf????

damn

[quiet valley]

@tall torrent any meaningful breakpoints you can theorize with the finesse buff on Helbore?

What kind of generic dmg multi are we looking at after buff

[uncut pebble]

Poorly!

[hollow ibex]

i love how the iconic guardsman weapon is also very representative of the current vet

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[unreal nova]

I mean, I know ppl who chose to just use only shovel on vet on low lvls because of how trash they feel to use.

[pseudo fiber]

Used to be meta then started falling off?

I guess so yeah

[unreal nova]

Till they got some other gun as a drop.

[iron marten]

After using a taxe7 for a while, I get it now

[iron marten]

Honestly, shovels are quite hilarious

The vets I've seen do either 200k damage, or 900k damage with it

No inbetween

[unreal nova]

Depends on set up, I guess. They do need a slight buff though.

Also, depends on melee vet or emergency side arm to pewpew vet.

[iron marten]

oh yeah for sure

I still use the default shovel

[tall torrent]

yea
u can 1hs flamers easier

that's about it

[quiet valley]

RIP

[tall torrent]

it's a pretty big buff

[iron marten]

I...

[tall torrent]

actually it should be a bit better vs unarmored and unyielding as well

dreg gunner 1hs easier to reach

and slightly better reaper breakpoint maybe

[unreal nova]

WTF is that perk choices, no uncanny...

[quiet valley]

Unyielding dmg is nice, its already doing decent chunks to bosses, maybe actually a boss killer option for Havoc

[iron marten]

I respect the no uncanny, but the other choices apart from Riposte are... questionable

[unreal nova]

The sodium induced headache did not need more fuel.

[unreal nova]

If you want to take bleed, go uncanny for obvious reasons.

[tall torrent]

without substantial changes to vet tree I don't think the weapon will change too much

also iron sight still the same crap

[quiet valley]

Yeah draw speed will be the big buff imo

[tall torrent]

biggest buff is frankly the flamer 1 tap

that opens things up a lot

[quiet valley]

yeah I cant wait to get my hands on the new Helbore

[faint beacon]

New helby might literally replace vigilant for me if it feels great to use

added the fact it has a .05 hitscan increase

so you dont get cucked by the hitreg in this game

[hollow ibex]

big if so lol

only vigil main on the server converted 😭

[grand perch]

[grand perch]

I basically main vigi. Graia 7 to be exact

[pseudo fiber]

Using taxe with ws had me go "hang on"

Then I found a crusher

[faint beacon]

Im probably still gonna use Agri IX

a lot

you'll just see me use Helby a lot more over it

Also class exclusive so like, strictly Vet gun

🚬

[iron marten]

Helbore getting some love

[solemn niche]

why did the overhead do no damage ? can anyone tell what happened here ? https://streamable.com/9p7rnh

[bleak oasis]

Power sword dump stat? Cleave or mobility?

[narrow frost]

cleave targets

[narrow frost]

looks like a spot dodge

you dodged with no room to move

but it still gives you dodge frames

[crude star]

why is the dump cleave, actually

er, cuz of bm?

[narrow frost]

no difference in targets hit, iirc. And mobility has a value on power sword

even if its only a 20% difference

[crude star]

makes sense

[trim badger]

almost a fucking hour

[crude star]

think i spent way too much diamadtine or hwatever on this perfect power sword, i gotta make sure i' have a decent amount for arbies..

[fallow sky]

Anyone have any ideas for shotgun builds or if they're even worth using?

[narrow frost]

very worth

I live the agri combat shotgun the most

*like

[fallow sky]

Anything I should know about them in particular?

[narrow frost]

I use this the most

combat shotguns special shell can stagger a bulwark even if you hit their shield