veteran-class

[grand perch]

Its joever

[slow sky]

Ive done a lot of this with exact knife values because tanner was being annoying and I wanted to prove him wrong
He said the 1:4 ratio was a lie, but he in reality was hitting the 100% cap

[tall torrent]

nah it kinda doesn't matter outside of extreme scenarios

[grand perch]

I was being ironic

[pseudo fiber]

Spite is a powerful motivatorn

[tacit sonnet]

I get it now

So I WAS KINDA right

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/gran-torino-clint-eastwood-eww-gross-yuck-gif-3556262

tanner mentioned

[tacit sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992122156542611676/1237780137513062480/caption-3-2.gif

[willow tendon]

So how much damage does 40% brittleness actually add for recon lasgun

[slow sky]

@tall torrent re did it because im a nerd loser
502.46 is the damage that a knife heavy headshot does to an unarmored gunner with no buffs, which has an adm of 1 so we're jusing that as a baseline
same attack has an adm against carapace of .612 based on an 80% penetration stat
so we work our way through the additive adm like this, and hit the soft cap then the hard cap

[tall torrent]

just fixed it

added the "The sum of all +rending and +brittleness effects stays at 100% even when it's exceeded." lines

[slow sky]

and despite fatsharks weird rounding, it lines up (0 relevent perks/blessings, no talents)

[tall torrent]

thanks again for pointing it out

I guess kuli confused himself

[slow sky]

we love fatshark code

and very easily understood mechanics
that i totally also dont fuck up a lot too

[tall torrent]

remade stagger section

I'm not even gonna call fatshark's code spaghetti

it deserves a new tier

I shall name it vermicelli

[drifting oak]

vermintidelli

[normal bay]

I wonder where the balance of the game would be if they didn't overcomplicate this shit so much lol

[grand perch]

confused Italian noises

[steep flower]

Gordian knot

[crude wind]

Bologney

[analog yacht]

what talents does stub revolver need now to hit breakpoints now that you don't run hand cannon

or do you just run like, maniac + flak

[uncut pebble]

Who said you don't run hand cannon?

[analog yacht]

hc was so you could crit body scab ragers

@tall torrent is probably the person to ask ^

[tall torrent]

Yea not needed

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Maniac
Point blank
Whatever else u like tbh

[uncut pebble]

(your guide still has hand cannon as a recommended blessing)

[tall torrent]

I didn’t update it for 8 months at this point

[uncut pebble]

Valid.

[analog yacht]

Is there no good scab rager non-crit hs?

[tall torrent]

After they changed scab rager to carapace torso

There’s no easy way to 1 crit body shot him anymore

[analog yacht]

headshot, non-crit

[tall torrent]

So hand cannon kinda just doesn’t matter unless u need to shoot at crushers

As for headshot

I think crit headshot can kill

But non crit cannot

[analog yacht]

yeah crit hs kills but I'm just wondering for like, kill 1 with axe then do a quick shot w/ stub and get unlucky on the like like 25% to not crit

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is the easiest way to reach Dreg gunner 1hs

And u need maniac for both flamer 1hs

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s that big of a deal cuz even when the shot doesn’t kill, it’ll still stagger

[analog yacht]

fair

and survivalist still isn't worth outside havoc where stub is trash anyway, right?

[tall torrent]

It depends

CIVI, it’s good

Boltgun, it’s good

Plasma, it’s fine

Combat shotguns, it’s good

[tall torrent]

2a revolver’s damage breakpoints (assuming +10%Rdmg equivalent and precision strikes)

[analog timber]

is lasgun power sword viable? how would i build it?

[steep flower]

You can always aim at the legs? Better than aiming at arms unless there is some dmg redu on legs or smth?

[analog yacht]

agile is x1.227 with +10%Rdmg equivalent, yeah?

[tall torrent]

Leg has lower damage multiplier if I recall correctly

[tall torrent]

Agile engagement?
Do the value listed /1.1 then x1.35

So yea roughly that

[analog yacht]

hm

idk I guess stub just kills everything with like no investment

[analog timber]

anyone use power sword lasgun?

[analog yacht]

I'm just trying to figure out what to run with it

but I guess I just run axe talents instead

[analog timber]

yeah ok would it be worth it though?

[grand perch]

Anything works with psword as melee

[analog yacht]

I was talking about stub. powersword + recon las is a normal build I think

[grand perch]

I was assuming we're talking infantry lasgun

[analog yacht]

you could use an i.las instead and it'd mostly be the same but kinda just worse probably

but like, most difficulties are baby mode so it's w/e

[analog timber]

yeah im using dagger atm and not really liking it

[grand perch]

Sure ilas + psword works

[analog timber]

yeah ok just need to do talents right

[tropic notch]

Just the infantry lasgun?

[analog timber]

yeah

recon lasgun

[tropic notch]

Oh recon

[nimble wadi]

Hi

[tropic notch]

Dump mobility, flak + maniac , headhunter + deadly accurate

Power sword is dump cleave targets, carapace + elites, power cycler + brutal momentum

As for the build

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

Oh damm I forgot it’s recon

Dumdum infernus

And I believe the perks are flak unyielding

Also need to update dat

[analog timber]

sent ya a dm

[dim edge]

hello smart people, my mind goes blank when I look at the numbers in the rebalance tweaks... how significant are they actually? will I see darktide builds NOT using dueling sword soon?

I despaired when I came back after a year and realised dueling sword was still meta and also got handed to other classes 😭

[tropic notch]

It’s just getting retuned it’ll still be good

In fact I’m glad it’s getting a parry

[dim edge]

ah, that seems neat

but I was hoping some of the other weapons would be raised up and become contenders to it

[tropic notch]

Some are the evisorator is getting a big buff and other weapons that needed some attention

[normal bay]

Well, DS is over the top atm, so nothing should be getting raised up to that level

[dim edge]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-meeting2-hmm-meeting-hmm-pepe-pepe-meeting-gif-18064240235739253690

[topaz token]

how much base crit % did vet get? 5%?

ye its 5 nvm

[nimble wadi]

Why are you taking notes

[sonic kayak]

Relax and take notes

As I take totes of the Big M smoke

Gunsmoke gunsmoke

[midnight wyvern]

Hello chat, if I could get some of you wonderful datatide players to have a look at a build and tell me if there is more damage or survivability or more effecient node usage I could be doing?
its pretty much a meme build but it deletes bosses very good, I just like waking up Daemonhosts and killing them before they get to do anything because people are always confused in game: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f3347f8-8931-4b51-a473-81778bcbe777

[sonic kayak]

honestly looks good, maybe take the 8 stacks of FT and put it into the damage node

I would say change kraks + grenade tinkerer but you said it's a meme build so fair enough

Running the Rashad without Trench Fighter is worth a pat on the back

[midnight wyvern]

yeah double krak for the DH wakeup into shout + bolter magdump into head will kill on damnation

a better build is probably shredders haha

[midnight wyvern]

is that a blessing? I honestly don't know what that is lmao

[sonic kayak]

Also you could swap from top middle to top right; Gives more general toughness boost rather than juiced toughness from specialist/elite kills

[sonic kayak]

Bottom right of the tree, above Weapons Specialist

Ah, didn't see Determined, unneeded IMO

[midnight wyvern]

where top right for toughness too btw?

bro playing chess while im playing checkers

[sonic kayak]

Out For Blood

But it's preference

That node triggers on all kills, which means any trash you'll be sweeping up around you

[midnight wyvern]

and shooting through to kill the elites

[sonic kayak]

[unreal nova]

It's also 5% on top of whatever from memory. 20 kills is 0 to full if killing gave no toughness.

[midnight wyvern]

ty both

can't quite 100-0 plogryn or Cspawn on Damnation with just shout-bolter but 11k left is not much lol

changed determination to opening salvo, see if that helps at all

[midnight wyvern]

just for more general damage for everything else?

[modest hollow]

what are good perks and blessings to put on a combat axe?

[midnight wyvern]

decimator and brutal momentum

been workin good for me

[pseudo fiber]

Brutal momentum head taker
Unarmoured uuuuhhhhhh

[supple stag]

Brutal Momentum + Headtaker
Unarmoured + Carapace

Assuming we talk about Rashad Caxe

[formal hamlet]

What are these Mortis Trials about?

[midnight wyvern]

rogue like

ish

[formal hamlet]

Oh interesting, did not expect that. I was hoping it was some sorta advanced tutorial so I can be less terrible at this game lol.

[midnight wyvern]

lol

its darktides weird version of chaos wastes from vermintide

[dry cloak]

ITS NOT CHAOS WASTES

[midnight wyvern]

lies

[unreal nova]

It basically is. It's usually easier due to the crazy buffs you get.

Hardest waves are the triple disabler or disabler with crushers/maulers/snipers.

It teaches you to blam trappers asap or wipe. And dealing with 5-9 trappers in a row is a thing.

Always, ALWAYS, focus them.

And pick up teammates quickly between trappers.

[formal hamlet]

It's solo content, right? Not meant to queue for that with a team? I've been meaning to jump into the training area and see if it lets me practive 1 on 1 against enemies I struggle with like monstrocities. I normally play on difficulty...3? Malice? And if I'm feeling myself I play on difficulty 4. I'm trying to get better at the game so I can just be comfortably playing on 4 eventually.

[sonic kayak]

IMO best way to practice is just do 4s back to back

Sharpen your game sense

Learn map layouts, like where the crates are, when to expect hordes at which area, you know spots where patrols are, etc

[formal hamlet]

Can you guys check out my various builds and let me know if they're sorely outdated, and if so, how to change them to keep them up to date? I get my builds from this channel, but it's been a while so they might not even work well now.

[formal hamlet]

I thought that stuff was random lol.

[sonic kayak]

"random" yes, but on the higher difficulties they just get inflated with tougher enemies and you already know which spots will trigger stuff

[formal hamlet]

I watched some guy called ChocoB the other day and it felt like at high difficulty where he plays there's like almost no zombies, it's just non-stop elites and specials.

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, that's about it

[formal hamlet]

Ironically the zombie hordes screw me up often.

I'm not so good at managing them.

[sonic kayak]

That's what they do

Or you'll get 1 or 2 that everyone missed, and now you're on the floor because he ganked you

Shoves, dodging, all important

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it gets my blood boiling sometimes when I'm trying to make a clutch shot for the team and a zombie knocks my aim off.

[sonic kayak]

We've all been there

[formal hamlet]

By the way here's one of my builds, I got 5 in total but need to add them one by one to the build site so people can see them.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54c0c2-7b61-4de2-a580-2fa86da46cfa/veteran-designated-marksman

This is probably the one I run most often even though it's not the most meta weapon, I really like the Helbore.

[sonic kayak]

Interesting

Frags would complete that build though

[formal hamlet]

Buncha people in this channel helped me with the talent tree since I hate doing builds.

[sonic kayak]

Deadshot can also eat into your stamina for the power sword

[formal hamlet]

That the stamina drain when I ADS?

[sonic kayak]

Aye

[formal hamlet]

I really don't like that thing but apparently it's good.

I ADS a lot.

[sonic kayak]

It can be, but generally unneeded, especially when you have Surgical essentially doing the same thing but without stamina cost

[formal hamlet]

I've maxed mastery on Power Sword, Combat Axe, Combat Blade, those are the ones I normally use depending on mood.

[sonic kayak]

Those are the essentials

[formal hamlet]

Yeah besides power sword I'm sure the other two came heavily recommended to me.

[unreal nova]

No. Can be solo cos ded mode atm. But you can play with others.

[formal hamlet]

So I should change my grenade type, and remove Deadshot?

[sonic kayak]

I'd say yes

Frags are your friend because they are extremely good at horde clear and stagger

Your Helbore will already be kicking elite/specialist ass so you're covered there

[formal hamlet]

What's my anti armour option if I'm removing Krak? It could be that Kraks were recommended because I was using a different melee at the time.

[sonic kayak]

Your Power Sword

[stoic thorn]

PLASMA GUN 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[formal hamlet]

And say if I was using a different melee, would I want to swap back to Kraks?

[sonic kayak]

Push attack -> light into a Crusher and he's on the floor with his head off

[formal hamlet]

I have a Plasma gun build too, will post that soon.

[sonic kayak]

If you're using any of those other weapons you posted earlier, those are also all good into armor

[stoic thorn]

Darktide if I could blow myself up with the plasma gun m1

[formal hamlet]

I need to remember about push attacks, I don't think I ever use them. My go-to with power sword has just been shove to get time to power up, then start slicing.

[sonic kayak]

That's good, you're half-way there

You can also block cancel the activation

Hold block while you activate basically

[formal hamlet]

So I want to be thinking about what I have for horde clear in my build, and what I have for anti armour. My power sword is anti armour, my frags are anti horde, what does my helbore lasgun fall under?

[sonic kayak]

It's your rifle, you go for gunners and specialists

[formal hamlet]

I think I knew this once upon a time but I play casually with big breaks so probably forgot lol.

[sonic kayak]

Your sword is also decent at horde clear too

Activate it and do heavy attacks or light attacks (similar performance with less wind-up)

[formal hamlet]

I swear blocking hits used to reset my power sword or something but they fixed that.

I hear helbore lasgun is getting buffed next patch too.

[sonic kayak]

They've "fixed" it many times lol

When the Mortis Trials update dropped, they supposedly fixed it that getting hurt doesn't cancel the activation but yet

[formal hamlet]

Yeah this is pretty much my main use. Activate, start cleaving through the hordes like butter. Against carapace as well I try to activite and get some heavy swings on them if they get close.

[sonic kayak]

Well that's good already, so you're not lacking there

But for single targets, activate, push attack, and then double light is your combo

[formal hamlet]

With bigger hordes I feel overwhelmed with the power sword though, like they reset my charge and that throws me off majorly.

[sonic kayak]

Yes, it's a very clunky weapon and you absolutely cannot have anyone attacking you outside your FoV

[stoic thorn]

This is why I run Plasma Chainsword

[formal hamlet]

So if removing deadshot doesn't take me down from the damage breakpoints I need at any difficulty, what do I replace it with since I got a free skill point now?

[sonic kayak]

Also, for the dump stat, you can run Cleave Targets which statiscally does not change its horde clear potential at all

You lose exactly 1 point, which does not change the potential of the weapons at all lol

[formal hamlet]

Oh interesting, I just assumed Mobility would be the dump stat, I'll keep an eye out for if I get additional power swords.

[deep bone]

Infantry LasGun buffs when fatshork

[sonic kayak]

A few options: Catch a Breath under the frag grenades, Field Improv, Demo Team (above Focus Target), or the stamina node above Marksman's Focus

[formal hamlet]

I think I'll go with field improv. Catch Breath sounded good, but it feels like it only shines when things are going well. I think field improv giving me more horde clear might come in clutch during an oh shit moment.

[hollow ibex]

CAB is better than field improv imo

[formal hamlet]

If I'm swapping to combat axe or combat knife do I need to swap any skills around?

[sonic kayak]

Also I see that you're using the Mk 5 Helbore, which has the fastest charge out of them all. You could probably take Weight of Fire off for something like Armorbane, Falter, Hot-Shot

[sonic kayak]

Catch A Breath is funny that the description is incorrect; It procs off of no damage taken, rather than not being targeted iirc

[formal hamlet]

Is there a "best" helbore? I like the light one because it feels snappy, I always charge the shots and they're fast, plus the melee stab is great. Just takes like 10 years to swap to it.

[sonic kayak]

Honestly? Probably the 3

The 4's charge hits like a truck but it takes 3-5 business days to do anything on it, not to mention the bayonet is like you forgot how to handle sword

[formal hamlet]

I'll swap marks to the IIIa and see how that feels.

[sonic kayak]

It's all preference, ultimately

[formal hamlet]

I know I hated the heaviest one due to its melee.

I probably won't mind the medium one.

[formal hamlet]

Just for future reference since I do swap weapons in my builds to level new masteries or just to change things up.

Planning to level catacan sword thing today.

[sonic kayak]

This would be fine with those, but without Trench Fighter (bottom right, above Weapon Specialist), the slower speed on especially the combat axe can be painful

[formal hamlet]

Oof, that's quite far down a different tree.

Let me see if any of my builds are using that right side tree.

My combat knife / revolver build is using that right one.

[sonic kayak]

Oh I forgot, don't use Longshot

It's a bait talent

[formal hamlet]

Funny enough I had that talent point on One Motion, but I swapped it to Longshot before asked for build feedback lol.

[sonic kayak]

Don't worry, you were cooking

[formal hamlet]

It felt like back when I got this build made I was told "you can choose either one based on preference or need".

[unreal nova]

As a vet main, CaB is the best if you good at avoiding being hit in melee. Demo team is best on higher diffs assuming you took most of the 'nade talents. Field Improv is nice and rarely seen, but vet is too taxed for it unless you are okay will failing breakpoints. Extra stam is if you use it.

[formal hamlet]

I could be misremembering though.

[sonic kayak]

Now if you were running Exe Stance, technically speaking, you could take One Motion off

[formal hamlet]

How come?

[tropic notch]

Not really

[sonic kayak]

Activating Exe Stance will swap you to your ranged weapon

[tropic notch]

Well depending on the build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @formal hamlet this is what I run

[formal hamlet]

I see. I figured it might be that but the way I play is pretty ranged heavy, I like shooty shooty.

[unreal nova]

Longshot terribad.

Like, TERRIHORRIBAD.

[formal hamlet]

What makes it so bad?

[sonic kayak]

That reminds me, when you swap to the nades, you can change to Survivalist too

[formal hamlet]

I think I was told it's just no needed to reach any breakpoints so it's doing nothing but

[unreal nova]

Like, how many maps can you really be shooting things 30+ m away from you.

At least 50% of the time.

[sonic kayak]

So, because lasweapons have inverse damage falloff at that range, you're already doing more damage without it

[unreal nova]

Except recon, from memory.

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, possibly, I don't remember either

[void dragon]

one of the few gems that show you the reality of the "WOW, vet's perk tree REALLY needs a rework"

[sonic kayak]

Basically, if you're within spitting distance of an enemy, you would be meleeing them more than shooting them anyways

[unreal nova]

Just go middle or right at top, really.

[formal hamlet]

Huh, what does inverse damage falloff mean? Like my damage increases the further away I am already so Longshot doesn't really do anything?

[sonic kayak]

Got it in one

[formal hamlet]

I had a feeling but wanted to make sure lol.

[void dragon]

sadly the game is not made for that kind of fights

all jumps in your face

[unreal nova]

Why, tell me any map where you can shoot things 30m+ away at least 50% of the time.

[sonic kayak]

Also, since you're using One Motion, you can probably path through that and skip the middle; Out for Blood will net you more toughness on average, rather than only juicing the toughness you get from specialist/elite kills

[unreal nova]

It was just not made for this style of game.

[sonic kayak]

Too far to matter, too close to use

[formal hamlet]

Okay so I've:

• Swapped Krak grenades for Frags
• Removed Deadshot (I never liked it anway)
• Need to remember to use push attack, light, light against solo enemies with power sword.
• Swapped to Mk. IIIa of the Helbore to make better usage out of its charge time.
• Swapped Longshot for One Motion.

[void dragon]

nowhere, because most of the time you will be moving forward and into the enemy, ergo you are encouraged to NOT shoot that distances and instead move forward

[unreal nova]

More or less.

[unreal nova]

Thus, you can see why it's absolutely worthless.

For the rare bridges it can be used on... not worth it.

[void dragon]

honestly, the whole concept of marksman on veteran isnt not only hard to use, its also quite wortless

really needs something new

(also smoke nades on impact would be amazing)

[unreal nova]

You want mid range at most.

[unreal nova]

I know, still pissed off about it.

[formal hamlet]

I do find it hard to find moments where I can stay back and start popping heads from a medium distance, when it happens it feels great but there's also always the risk of being too far separated from my team.

[sonic kayak]

Since you're using frags, you can also take Grenade Tinkerer off; Outside of a dedicated frag grenade build, Tinkerer is excessive

[unreal nova]

Another reason why the long range focus is dumb.

[sonic kayak]

That point can go to Demo Team

[unreal nova]

It can still work to bleed things.

[void dragon]

demo team scales into difficulty so good

[unreal nova]

The true value is with Bistol though.

[sonic kayak]

That's what I mean

A dedicated grenade build

[formal hamlet]

What about the perk connecting it to this other perk?

[void dragon]

bleed radius become really naughty, can clean rooms with ease

[sonic kayak]

Swap to Survivalist

Survivalist and Shock Trooper on the Helbore gives you literal infinite ammo lol

[void dragon]

survivalist, aka the Dispenser aura, is really a selling point for the class nowadays

[unreal nova]

It can, but on a Hellbore build, you want other nodes.

Vet is too taxed already to dip into fun.

[void dragon]

yeah, Helbore builds will still make use of the CC of the frags so you dont need the bleeding that much

[formal hamlet]

So I assume CaB and Survivalist, right?

[unreal nova]

You pick a niche and go all in or suffer.

[void dragon]

Damn you Obesefish, why you hate fun?

[sonic kayak]

Unless you use said dedicated grenade build

[unreal nova]

Because breakpoints matter alot on vet.

[unreal nova]

Boomies!

Kaboom!

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[void dragon]

honestly, make an archetype of Vet be a grenadier

EVERYONE LOVES EXPLOSIONS!

[formal hamlet]

Okay, done.

[unreal nova]

You can also run it on a 'nadier build... but that's me. I play support boomies vet nowadays.

[unreal nova]

I want the and again mortis thing so bad.

[formal hamlet]

I still got like 4 other builds to show you guys lol.

Though hopefully I can apply a lot of this to the other builds.

[tropic notch]

I love my vet build

It’s just the build™️

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[sonic kayak]

Your new build will be, and is, the core for a lot of Vet builds

[unreal nova]

Unless you do dumb stuff like I do.

[formal hamlet]

Okay so to save time, I won't bother posting the ones that are generally going down the same tree routes. I was going to post my plasma gun build next, it's generally the same but has a buncha perks removed and other new ones taken.

[sonic kayak]

Hey, if you want feedback or other opinions, go for it

Don't be shy

We love telling other people what to do

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f337848-2f0d-4bd7-ba73-c4df82140663/veteran-plasma-gun-2

[unreal nova]

That's my current 'nadier.

[formal hamlet]

I just quickly did the skill points, ignore the weapon choices etc.

[crisp wraith]

Probably asked this before, but I am always just curious, what’s everyone’s favourite vet voice/personality? And for more variety, we’ll say that male and female versions count as separate

[formal hamlet]

Will update it with the plasma gun and melee in a but, but the talent tree is the main thing.

Plasma gun dump stat is charge rate.

[unreal nova]

You can also take skirmisher instead of trench fighter if you can upkeep it before 'nade.

[sonic kayak]

Not bad, but skip the middle entirely for the top right, CaB, Take Focused Fire and Rending strikes off

[unreal nova]

Fem LC. Gremlin energy yes.

[sonic kayak]

Plasma Gun does good armor damage enough to not need Rending Strikes

[bitter fox]

Which helbore is best? I’m afraid to try anything other than the mk IV

[formal hamlet]

Sorry, how do you mean skip middle for top right? Like this bit?

[sonic kayak]

3 is probably the best compromise of them all

[unreal nova]

To be fair, you never take it even on meme builds due to taxes.

[bitter fox]

Thanks I’ll try it

[tropic notch]

The one and only path

[formal hamlet]

Isn't that 50% aura radius good for voice of command?

Or are they unrelated?

[unreal nova]

Unrelated.

[sonic kayak]

VoC will also be off cooldown a lot if you're doing your job

You should use it even by yourself

[formal hamlet]

Killing specials and elites?

[unreal nova]

That's your job.

[formal hamlet]

Tbh I dunno what my job is I just shoot everything before anyone else gets a chance to shoot it.

Oh okay, I've been doing it unintionally lol.

[sonic kayak]

You're half-way there

The other half is to not neglect melee

[unreal nova]

Unless 'nadier. 'Nadiers just blow everything (but crushers) up.

Unless you run krak memes...

[sonic kayak]

This is probably THE build™ for Veteran

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox works with krak btw.

[sonic kayak]

You can choose between FT or WS keystones

If you go WS then you get one flex point which can go to the choices I mentioned earlier like Demo Team, etc

[hollow ibex]

THE build
doesn't run C&K

[unreal nova]

Shush. Survivalist best.

[formal hamlet]

I may have missed something but I have 3 talent points remaining.

[unreal nova]

Pick a keystone.

[sonic kayak]

I use it on my Bleed Shovel, dw

[hollow ibex]

bleed shovel

that's cursed

mk1?

[formal hamlet]

I thought I have one? Isn't that voice of command and focus target?

[unreal nova]

Rejected, survivalist even on bleed knoife.

[sonic kayak]

Is there any other choice?

[unreal nova]

Because team grabs all ammo anyway.

[hollow ibex]

i tried mk3... didn't go well

[sonic kayak]

Your keystones are the purple talents at the bottom

[hollow ibex]

tho imo if you want to run bleed, knife or taxe does best

[sonic kayak]

True, but I don't want to

I specifically wanted a build outside of my comfort zone

[hollow ibex]

mk1 shovel doesn't stack bleed fast enough to be meaningful

[unreal nova]

That's NICHE. You go 3 to 1 shot crushers and nothing else.

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah

[sonic kayak]

wdym? 2 stacks of bleed now instead of 1 on light spam

[formal hamlet]

I have Redirect Fire and Target Down already selected, I believe you said to remove Focussed Fire so I took that off.

[hollow ibex]

but mk1 shovel doesn't have very good light cleave

i assumed you were using heavies

[unreal nova]

Legit anyway. We don't count DS for this.

[sonic kayak]

Depends on what I'm fighting

[real lynx]

hi im sort of new to the game and im running boltgun + duelling sword. what blessings and traits should i run? im a bit overwhelmed with the options so some advice would be appreciated

only level 21 so i know i should not have to min max that hard just yet

but i want to learn

[hollow ibex]

start by dropping the duelling sword

[real lynx]

why?

[hollow ibex]

and replacing it with heavy sword

[unreal nova]

Stop using DS, it will be nerfed soon.

Start learning other melees.

[hollow ibex]

it'll be nerfed like karien said, and it teaches extremely bad habits

and both DS and Bolter are strong single target damage weapons

[formal hamlet]

Updated the build, if you can refresh it and see where I can put those 3 skill points. Also added the plasma gun and combat axe. I don't normally run combat axe on that build but wanted to show you what I've got on it.

[hollow ibex]

you need horde clear in your kit

[real lynx]

man 😭 i finally found a melee weapon i like lmao and its getting nerfed, feels bad

[hollow ibex]

well it won't be next patch prob

[real lynx]

ok so what melee weapon should i run?

[hollow ibex]

so it's not immediately

[hollow ibex]

do you have access to heavy sword?

[real lynx]

ok appreciate the feedback

[real lynx]

yes i do

[hollow ibex]

great weapon as a bolter companion

[real lynx]

ok ill try it out

[hollow ibex]

i run mk ix, very simpel to use

[lone radish]

ds nerf and heavy chainsword buff 😎

[unreal nova]

Happens, it's also the most broken melee in the game.

[hollow ibex]

they're not even touching chain weapons this patch right?

[real lynx]

oh really? i didnt know that lmao

i wondered why it felt so good

and what about chain sword

does that work with boltgun

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's going to warp your perception of what a good melee weapon does lol

[unreal nova]

Is the only melee that can 4 shot a crusher with 0 talents.

[hollow ibex]

it's the opposite of DS, sucks ass

[unreal nova]

So you tell me

[hollow ibex]

i mean usable, but not worth investing in

[real lynx]

ah damn it it looks so cool

ok so heavy sword eh, im gonna try that out

[hollow ibex]

ik, chain weapons got kinda shafted

[hollow ibex]

heavy sword you can pretend you're a samurai

[real lynx]

whats perks and blessings should i go for on boltgun

[unreal nova]

Sadly, chainsword be that way. Just meh at best.

[sonic kayak]

You can take Get Back In The Fight off, and if you take one more node off Focus Target (It's your choice between Target Down or Redirect Fire), you can go to the right and spec into Trench Fighter Drill; Those nodes there give you nice boosts to your melee. I make this suggestion because the Combat Axe is very slow without Trench Fighter; but if you can handle it without the attack speed boost then ultimately up to you

[hollow ibex]

are you man enough to run executioner's stance?

[real lynx]

i dont know what that is sorry

[sonic kayak]

Only way I run that

[formal hamlet]

I think ever since I started playing Darktide, Plasma gun build has always been the one that carries me most, feels like even though I'm not doing "as much", the runs just go more smoothly.

[sonic kayak]

With Exe Stance

[real lynx]

im new to the game

[sonic kayak]

Like a Professional™

[unreal nova]

Left ult.

Shout is middle, stealth is right.

[real lynx]

ooooh wait yeah, my active ability? im using voice of command right now

[sonic kayak]

I like the thought of having a portable bunker buster, people say it's boring, idk

[real lynx]

im not very good at positioning yet so it helps me stay alive

still learning a lot

[sonic kayak]

I just use it because it's cool

[unreal nova]

Yes. Exe stance is the left one.

[real lynx]

ok thanks

[hollow ibex]

exec stance is hard to play

so prob best to stick with VOC until you get used to the game

[unreal nova]

That's normal. Exe stance requires knowledge of positioning or you die horribly.

[real lynx]

ok gotcha

[formal hamlet]

I put the combat axe there as an example since I'd already shown you the power sword, wanted to make sure the perks and such on it were fine. I normally run power sword with plasma gun, though I hear running it with a knife is great too. Assuming I'm not using combat axe there, what do I want to do with my spare points then?

[real lynx]

so what perks do i take on bolt

i dont know what to go for or whats considered “meta”

[unreal nova]

Knoife needs investment. Is why it's not as good as Dueling even if it's a strong weapon.

[formal hamlet]

It feels great to shoot, as do many weapons in the game. Sounds like it might be getting nerfed in the next patch since devs want people actually using the alternate fire and the ADS. I'm down for that honestly, so long as it feels great to shoot.

[unreal nova]

Is like Combat Axe (Rashad).

[hollow ibex]

there's some options but for VOC i run this

[formal hamlet]

Yeah my knife/revolver build does go into right side tree, I should show you guys that one next.

[hollow ibex]

replacing pinning fire with puncture is valid as well

[real lynx]

what does strength actually do

[hollow ibex]

provides damage, stagger and cleave

[gilded wraith]

Where does everyone think vet is on damage and defense (1 thru 5 with 1 the best)? I'm leaning towards 3rd for damage (behind Ogryn and Psyker) and 4th for defense (ahead of psyker). Easy potential to be 4th for damage as well depending on Arbites power at release.

[unreal nova]

Is like power.

[real lynx]

ah ok

[unreal nova]

Boosts offensive abilities of a thing.

Damage and such.

[unreal nova]

5th place, fourth if the Zeal is a book bot. Oggy and and Psykers are gods of damage.

[real lynx]

and what about the combat axe

is this good

[hollow ibex]

rashad is still very good

btw check pins

[real lynx]

this used to be my first melee until i got duelling and had a lot of fun with it

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor guide has everything you need

[real lynx]

ok will do

[gilded wraith]

I think rashad holds up really well in everything outside of higher havoc where BM gets its legs cut out from under it.

[hollow ibex]

best vet melee weapons atm. power sword is #1, but requires you have power cycler 4 (it's ass without it)

[unreal nova]

Arbites is put at 3 atm cos I expect it to be pay2win to a degree, but don't expect it to top oggy at all.

[grand perch]

i see your rashad was ra-shat out

[manic badger]

PC gaming is pay 2 win period

no matter what game

[unreal nova]

Psykers is based on densities of enemy horde.

[unreal nova]

I mean, when you do H40 with 20 fps... yeah.

[gilded wraith]

Me and my paranoia think that Ogryn was released overtuned just so we couldn't call Arbites pay2win. Best I can call it is pay2tank and pay2shotgun 😁

[sonic kayak]

I don't rate Vet or the other classes anywhere for one simple reason: I can still do the job, and if I can't, then genuinely a skill issue

[unreal nova]

Kinda... but stealing from Vet feels bad.

[manic badger]

I was on a 3060 with an 11700f processor and just went to a x3d ryzen 16 core with a 5080 and it feels like im playing a different game now

[hollow ibex]

you can always do the job, but someone else can do it much better and faster than you, with less effort required, because they picked a different class

i will still top frag with ogryns and psykers on my team

but i'm sweating way more than they are for this lol

[unreal nova]

My cpu is a ninth gen i7. I don't need to say more. I can't afford a new PC since need a new board to upgrade.

It's not even the 3060 ti.

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f33804a-f457-4b95-8246-5c9070b1b990/veteran-recon-lasgun-7

This is my recon lasgun build, do I also want to remove top middle and go top right like the last build?

[unreal nova]

It's cpu bottleneck.

[sonic kayak]

Correct, even on the sweating part, but that's the charm

I don't think Vet should stay unchanged though, oh no

But Vet's skill expression is very high

[hollow ibex]

true

i don't play ogryn at all because it's just fucking borin

[manic badger]

I was on a 3060 regular, and then that 11700 and was getting like 45 frames on havocs consistently. Tarkov finally completely broke me and I upgraded and probably will never buy a whole new pc ever again and just upgrade parts in this one.

[hollow ibex]

psyker sometimes

i'll prob main arbites

[gilded wraith]

Sadly not how the playtesters view it I think. I feel like the still view vet as the low skill class.

[sonic kayak]

tbf it takes a lot of work to shoot the plasma gun into trash mob hordes

[dry cloak]

nothing stops vet from having low entry point

[manic badger]

Pretty sure a majority of the play testers are with all due respect ogryn dick riders. which is unfortunate for the rest of the classes, but they do give good feedback for ogryn

[dry cloak]

skill ceiling may be very high

[gilded wraith]

And that's the playtester view in a sentence sadly.

[sonic kayak]

I'm not gonna say anything about the playtesters, but I will say this: Vet has an identity crisis because no one knows what he's supposed to do, and IMO, that's kinda the point of what he does

[unreal nova]

I get 20-90, DLSS3.

[gilded wraith]

It's also why I don't hold out high hopes for the "eventual" rework.

[manic badger]

I started off as ogryn back when this game was in beta, and didn't even make another class for like a year after game launch, ogryn in it's current state feels significantly easier to play than any other class,

[unreal nova]

90 is start of map where nothing is going on.

[sonic kayak]

Vet has good tools that take effort to learn and are very rewarding

He can't just be relegated to the "sniper" class or whatever other weird labels people give him because of other games

[formal hamlet]

How come my mobility is 61% but the other stuff is still 80?

[gilded wraith]

Rounding, harmless.

[sonic kayak]

Rounding error, congratulations, it's a baby boy

[gilded wraith]

Actually kind of sought after for braggin rights.

I cherish my 62, 80s

[formal hamlet]

Bragging about what?

[gilded wraith]

Uniqueness.

[unreal nova]

Near brain dead. You know you shouldn't be soloing heresy at lvl 32 as oggy.

[formal hamlet]

Ah I guess kinda like "this was a misprint only 7 of them were made before it got corrected" sorta thing.

[unreal nova]

But well... with a dumb build that will scar ppl to heck. He can.

[gilded wraith]

Plasma is M1 braindead! And bully club is chess?

[manic badger]

taking a branx pickaxe into havocs takes some brain power as far as spacing properly and executing the combos perfectly on repeat constantly, otherwise you just get absolutely wrecked.

[unreal nova]

It's actually not good btw. Server prefers to round down so one 80 is actually 79 and the 61 is 60.

[formal hamlet]

I just realised M1 is referring to left click on mouse.

I thought people were memeing about it being like the M1 Garand.

[gilded wraith]

Yep, branx I respect. Karsolas is just a better rashad play wise.

[unreal nova]

Near brain dead, not completely.

[manic badger]

but that one knife that I can't remember the name of because I've been on a break for a bit is completely ooga booga braindead

[unreal nova]

Bull butcher m1 with confident strike.

[gilded wraith]

Ogryn has 1 melee and one ranged that isn't A to S tier... I envy that.

[unreal nova]

The paul is like d tier though.

[manic badger]

no this one

[gilded wraith]

The bully club slap build is hilarious with the right macros.

[manic badger]

stab stab punch repeat ad infinitum

[unreal nova]

Mark 4, maybe. The stabby one?

[formal hamlet]

Here's my combat knife / revolver build, one build left to add which is probably mostly a "for fun" build I have with the bolter.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f338552-171f-4831-b584-bc8fe508c04d/veteran-combat-knife

[gilded wraith]

I tried to make the Paul work... I failed.

[unreal nova]

Called it. I don't auto load images btw.

[manic badger]

literally the most brain rot shit deletes absolutely everything and you can't die even on havocs unless you completely fuck up

also gives you the most absurd movement tech on ogryn

[unreal nova]

I know. I use it on my dakka build and is already stupid.

Now toss it on a HH build.

[manic badger]

yes exactly with charge to ramp up the attack speed stacks

[gilded wraith]

I just want trench fighter higher up the skill tree so I can enjoy CAXE without going full right tree.

[manic badger]

reduces mouse life expectancy by 5% every single mission

[unreal nova]

Just cheat with mods.

Autoattacks without needing to click.

[manic badger]

that and the combat knife made me download a mod for swinging to be honest, because I was convinced it was going to give me carpel tunnel

[gilded wraith]

Yep

[unreal nova]

I will kill my dodge button first.

[sonic kayak]

A Pimp Named Slickback

[gilded wraith]

Double click to dodge is a wonderful one.

[hollow ibex]

my hands have definitely gotten worse by playing DT lol

[gilded wraith]

Watching it bully the crap out of a DH solo is impressive.

[unreal nova]

Watching it bully 5 CSpawns at the same time...

[gilded wraith]

That too... while doing respectable damage between skullcrusher and thunderous.

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[gilded wraith]

Aim for the tentacle baby, aim for the tentacle.

[manic badger]

Yes, hence why I was like fuck it just gonna get an auto swinger for certain weapons

[formal hamlet]

How come combat axe needs trench fighter to not be super slow? Does 10% attack speed make that big of a difference?

[gilded wraith]

It really does for some weapons.

[unreal nova]

Is more obvious the slower the weapon.

[hollow ibex]

i mostly use light spam weapons as a result now

[gilded wraith]

Less impact on anything that needs a special activation.

[manic badger]

It used to be 15% they nerfed it IIRC

[unreal nova]

On knoife, is memes.

[formal hamlet]

Would it do much for power sword?

or Catachan sword?

[gilded wraith]

15% attack speed is overpowered... here Arbites, enjoy your potential 25% attack speed.

[formal hamlet]

Oh also planning to run Devil's Claw sword on my builds today to get max mastery on it, wanna level every weapon so I can try them all out. What's the ideal roll or whatever for the sword? I assume mobility is dump stat, which perks / blessings?

[hasty grove]

Fatshark try not to spit in the face of veteran players (the majority of your playerbase) challenge; IMPOSSIBLE

[hollow ibex]

the first move there is to not use dclaw

until the 23rd

[formal hamlet]

It's getting buffed?

I can wait a few days I guess.

[manic badger]

kind of excited to see how the helbore feels on the 23rd

[unreal nova]

Pay2win as said.

[formal hamlet]

I'm tying to de-rust before Arbites comes out.

[hollow ibex]

yeah, though idk if it'll save the weapon tbh

but for perks/ blessings

[formal hamlet]

Same, it's muh fave gun.

[hollow ibex]

this is the standard

(all from the HOTE guidde in the pins)

[hasty grove]

I want infantry lasgun buffs

[formal hamlet]

Is this the recommended roll is what they're buffing?

[sonic kayak]

HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR!

[unreal nova]

Too slow, charging bleah. Is why plasma nerfs do nothing.

[hasty grove]

CLOSE, KILL, AND DO IT AGAIN

THE KILLING NEVER ENDS!

[sonic kayak]

IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL!

[hollow ibex]

man i'm sad i miss out on these sick voice lines, because i don't play VOC

[unreal nova]

Sure, the minmaxxed plasma I have is wasted, but I never used it outside of 1 sedation mission.

[sonic kayak]

Only reason why I do

[hasty grove]

GET IN THERE, MAKE EM SCREAM

Your build has been serving me well btw

[uncut pebble]

Sir, I'm stuck in pox gas and I'm fucking dying. I can't breathe.

[unreal nova]

NO DYIN' TILL I SAY SO!

[hasty grove]

My fav line my veteran says is the VoC “THERE IS ONLY WAR!” Line

[formal hamlet]

I forget, how do I get the higher tier of Flak unlocked for my sword? I can only get +10% right now it seems.

[unreal nova]

You have like 150 gold toughness, just walk out of farts.

[gilded wraith]

My bad... make that near constant 30% attack speed achievable with Arbites..

[formal hamlet]

Excuse brightness, it's the HDR.

[sonic kayak]

Need that Mastery

[formal hamlet]

Ah so just use it in missions and it'll unlock, gotcha.

[sonic kayak]

You're a veteran of possibly innumerous wars but once you became a reject, you forgot everything you know

[formal hamlet]

Thought I'd make it a good roll first then use it in missions but ah well lol.

[unreal nova]

Pay2play better vet.

[sonic kayak]

Alternatively, you can sacrifice.. 30(?) green weapons to max the mastery out

[gilded wraith]

Kinda feels that way.

[hasty grove]

My Veteran went around the galaxy

[unreal nova]

They even took the last niche we had, 'nade regen.

[hasty grove]

She even survived being to Armageddon and Catachan

[formal hamlet]

What like just buy them and sacrifice or just use the ones I get from finishing missions that I don't want?

[sonic kayak]

So you're saying

She's the kinda gal that likes to roam around
Whereever the dirty 'tics are, you know that she's around?

[sonic kayak]

Both

[hasty grove]

Except she doesn’t roam on her own terms

She gets thrown into meatgrinders by her higher ups

And somehow comes back alive

[gilded wraith]

Definitely burn items you don't want. Buy white, bump to green, then burn within a weapon category. Probably worth a youtube search on crafting if you're new. It will streamline your mastery gain.

[manic badger]

Who is excited for a bunch of mods to break on the 23rd?

[gilded wraith]

Woot woot!

[formal hamlet]

When things die down I'll repost my other builds I need feedback on, seemed folks were too engrossed in another topic at the time so nobody replied.

[hasty grove]

And despite all that if she was caught hiding after being wounded during the siege of Cadia she would’ve been executed

[formal hamlet]

I don't use any.

[hasty grove]

Something something imperium bad something something

[sonic kayak]

If you want, you can DM me

[formal hamlet]

I had a post-match scoreboard one because I wanted to see if I'm pulling my weight, but that broke ages ago and I couldn't be arsed figuring out how to use mods again to update it.

[sonic kayak]

You can use Vortex

[formal hamlet]

I was going to use Vortex but I think the "framework" mods specifically say don't install it with Vortex.

[unreal nova]

I mean, just be WS with autoreload. Is simple lul.

[hasty grove]

Scoreboard gamer detected

Opinion disrespected

[sonic kayak]

Oh well those are easy, you just extract them into Darktide's root folder

You update them once in a blue moon

[unreal nova]

You can still use it, just ppl don't want to deal with added issues of another thing messing stuff up.

[sonic kayak]

Although they may be updated with the upcoming content

[formal hamlet]

I'm not that well versed in modding or PC gaming so sometimes it feels out of my depth lol.

[unreal nova]

Or don't mod and play raw.

[sonic kayak]

Raw dog, as it were

[formal hamlet]

Unless they're hidden, that ChocoM or whatever guy doesn't seem to use any obvious mods I could see.

[unreal nova]

I swear playtesters don't understand issues cos they all play heavily modded games.

Many issues with base game gets modded to not be an issue which can factor stuff.

Like how smoke and flamers blind teammates if improperly used.

[hasty grove]

Vanilla Darktide playing Chadette here

(Cus I only own a console)

[unreal nova]

Mod that removes the effect so not blinded, exists.

[hasty grove]

Any mods that affect gameplay shouldn’t be allowed in a multiplayer game

[gilded wraith]

Or the mod that lets you know how many uses are left on an ammo crate.

How is that not in the core game?

[unreal nova]

Unfair knowledge as with hp mod.

Should be base game thing with a toggle.

[hasty grove]

Every player should be on equal footing co-op or pvp doesn’t matter

[unreal nova]

There's also a free flashlight now.

A thing that follows you lighting up the way.

Doesn't even costs your gun's special anymore.

[hasty grove]

The PC scoreboard Zealot calling me trash while also having so many mods the game is basically a clicker game now

[gilded wraith]

That fact that a flashlight can cost your guns special is crazy.

[unreal nova]

Sure, it only helps lights out and very specific areas, but is still more.

[hasty grove]

mf’ers that automate Darktide inputs or cheat with mods

[unreal nova]

There is a mod that lets you switch bashes into flashlight.

[hasty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/couch-potato-southpark-gif-10806771

[unreal nova]

Is still fair since trade off.

[gilded wraith]

I feel targeted.

[hasty grove]

A little navi fairy that follows you around as a light is cheating tho

[unreal nova]

But the one that literally gives you a free one is just cheating.

[hasty grove]

Thats neat tho and should be basegame

[unreal nova]

Will agree, is a fair trade so not complaining about that.

[gilded wraith]

Yep. The one that gives your flashlight the lumens of the sun is also humerous. Couldn't quite bring myself to keep that one going.

[hasty grove]

Me, infantry lasgun main

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-15530372636024879885

Maybe if I flicker it fast enough the rager 3 shotting my weak little veteran healthbar will have a seizure and leave me alone

Funny how Veteran is basically just as durable as Psyker yet we have the most armored cosmetics by a large margin

[faint beacon]

We’re a bit more durable than psyker in “situations”

[unreal nova]

Basically. But it's still not banned. The thing can also help you find stuff, but there is a more cheaty ver that just shows you all drops in a large area.

[faint beacon]

Are issue is we don’t have stamina

[hasty grove]

Or good node’s & abilities

[faint beacon]

Which leads to rager swarms killing veterans that don’t immediately frag spam or VOC

[hasty grove]

Or good anything other than VoC

[unreal nova]

I heard someone keep talking about loot I can't see from the next room.

[gilded wraith]

I always flip flop on durability rating. We have shout, they have ignore ranged and better toughness generation.

[hasty grove]

Literal x ray mod

Virgin behavior

[unreal nova]

Like, heal stim under an area we are still above of.

None of us dropped down yet so can't actually see it.

[hasty grove]

Doesn’t matter if we get 3-5 shot instantly before our toughness regen even has the ability to benefit us

If a rager or mauler sneaks up on you as veteran & you dont have a bolt or plasma weapon ur ass is dead or downed

[unreal nova]

Or do both, VoC for room to drop 2 'nades.

[hasty grove]

Veteran is the most skillfull class

Purely by the virtue that we’re the worst one by a large margun

[faint beacon]

I mean with those 2 it’s more just positioning and learning stagger Breakpoints on melee

Example

Rashad Push attack staggers 3 ragers even when they’re comboing

[unreal nova]

Thing is, is more work than unga bunga on oggy and ragers ded.

[hasty grove]

I should not have an easier time playing my level 11 psyker & my level 30 veteran on the same difficulty

[faint beacon]

Yeah but that’s Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Also Zealot.

[faint beacon]

I never talk about Ogryn because it’s a given how easy it is

[gilded wraith]

I dominate ragers with push attack! ... and then I run out of stamina and cry.

[faint beacon]

Loops back to my original point

Stamina issues

A lot of higher tier players have pointed it out that’s one of vets biggest issues

[gilded wraith]

I thinking of trying 2X Toughness, 1 stamina on my curios.

[unreal nova]

There are more actually cheaty mods btw. And I don't count spidey sense because I know of actually deaf players using it.

[gilded wraith]

Hate to give up the hp, but stamina seems more likely to get me killed. Makes grim runs suck though.

[hasty grove]

Deaf players using it is perfectly okay to me

[faint beacon]

Focus target with target down

Or stamina keystone on WS

[hasty grove]

However it’s like the deaf mode in gags fortnite… every sweaty nine year old starting using it for the unfair advantage despite being perfectly able to hear

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, just talent starved.

[trim steppe]

Yeah, increasing distance on the pickup icons and then making them visible through barriers. Seeing through barriers would drive me crazy, cuz I'd likely go out of my way into a corner to get a pickup only to find its not there and need to go all the way around a wall. Actually detrimental

[faint beacon]

This argument falls apart regarding spidey senses when DT

is notorious for not playing sound effects

[void dragon]

And to be fair: even with that mod you can still be sneak crushed (seriously, those jerks don't have audio cues! The mod doesn't even register them sometimes)

[faint beacon]

That get you killed

[unreal nova]

More or less, but that's FS's fault, they don't play on the diffs where the sound engine breaks horribly.

[hollow ibex]

stop cheeaaaating reeeee

[faint beacon]

Example: Crusher overhead that makes 0 sound behind you

[hollow ibex]

backstab sounds don't even play half the time

[faint beacon]

No warning backstab

Nothing

[hollow ibex]

crushers are silent

[gilded wraith]

Then they should stop giving crushers ballerina slippers.

[faint beacon]

You’re just instantly down

[hollow ibex]

they fixed bursters by turning off all the other sounds in the game lmao

[faint beacon]

And then others break

[hasty grove]

Mauler, the guy in full plate armor & chainmail WIELDING A CHAIN AXE making no noise whatsoever

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[unreal nova]

Still extra info that can be unfair. If you know the maps enough, it's like cheating.

[void dragon]

Ninja ogryns are real and wear boulder mauls

[faint beacon]

Yes that’s why I don’t mind spidey senses even though I don’t use it

I use HP bars for build Feedback

[sonic kayak]

Except the very faint sound of a chainaxe revving

[unreal nova]

Yep. Why is more a FS issue in the first place.

[trim steppe]

Instantly dead on havoc. We had that happen, a crusher jumped over a wall we had just cleared past and silently squished 2 of us. The run was over in a heartbeat

[steep flower]

I started using it cause of immersion

[faint beacon]

Yup

[hasty grove]

That might as well not even be there while im fighting a poxwalker horde, 4 gunners, 8 ragers, 2 reapers, and all my teams voicelines going

[sonic kayak]

• in the Consignment Yard map with the redecorated shower room, which dampens all sound

[faint beacon]

Enemy prioritization at that point

[sonic kayak]

[unreal nova]

I swear @steep flower fails to traumatise me anymore since Maulers are silent before overhead but his chainaxe is always loud.

[faint beacon]

Loud bar of soap chainaxe

[steep flower]

I like loud bitches

[faint beacon]

That’s a certain taste

[void dragon]

"I'LL CRUSH YOU!!" -Angry ninja mauler

[faint beacon]

I like my bitches like I like my weapons, Loud

[unreal nova]

More, my gold toughness instabreaks, wot.

[hasty grove]

A mauler should sound this obnoxiously loud while moving AT LEAST

[loud belfry]

maulers are the most mysterious enemy in the game

[trim steppe]

That's fair, tho having a bit more information about items is IMO the least cheating cheat you can do. Mods that affect your combat abilities are the ones I wont touch. I use the sight distance increase on pickups but only for materials (not ammo/stims/etc) so its literally just for non-combat reasons

[unreal nova]

Spins around. OH.

[void dragon]

Not less than crushers, which are the sneakiest enemy EVER

[hasty grove]

Full armor + general Ogryn clumsiness

I should hear a Crusher the moment he spawns in

[void dragon]

And when he moves
*CLANK CLANK CLANK

[unreal nova]

It makes it easier to find kits and crates and life/run saving stims instead of having to run off to search why cheating. If it's a material finder is like whatever. But mods that makes fights more visible is also an unfair advantage or even the one that gives you free Exe Stance.

[hasty grove]

A crusher should sound like 15 lead pipe falling.MP3’s

[unreal nova]

I should hear them no matter where they are in the room.

[loud belfry]

they should add stealthy enemies with unique movement types

[faint beacon]

Welcome back

Gutter runner VT2

[loud belfry]

mmmmmm

basically

[void dragon]

Would not mind that if they are designed like that, only spawn sound, no sound until they attack

Have to actually have eyes for them

[loud belfry]

and maybe they get on top of props and stuff

get on some walls and pounce at you after a wind up

[trim steppe]

Agreed. But also since its PvE and people still need to be skilled at game mechanics to do hard content, I dont care enough to mind the existence of such mods. If it keeps people playing the game with me then its probably good overall

[unreal nova]

Then spawn sound is silent.

[hasty grove]

Besides my character randomly saying “crusher!” 10 minutes before he actually shows up

[void dragon]

Honestly? I can see ObeseFish doing that

[unreal nova]

It's only why they aren't outright yelled at. PvE. Easier to just close an eye about it.

[void dragon]

They usually only say that when the enemy is in their FoV

[hasty grove]

I do not believe this

I’ll be staring at a wall reloading and she’ll say it

[unreal nova]

I know. I already sense the engine breaking horribly again and suddenly everyone ded from painful stab wounds.

[void dragon]

ObeseFish mysterious ways

[midnight wyvern]

they usually say that when I mark them lol

[hasty grove]

Your pfp makes me happy

[midnight wyvern]

same

[unreal nova]

More in a certain range.

Sometimes we find out about stealth crusher wave because a char blurts that out.

Totally balanced wave of tanky one shots that can sneak up to you.

[void dragon]

Does Bulwarks have a sound cue? Now that I think about it, I can't recall theirs, they just get in my face so they are hard to miss

[faint beacon]

Not really

[midnight wyvern]

wdym sound cue?

[faint beacon]

Elites are relatively silent in idle

[void dragon]

The Burgle cultists have ninja ogryns

[midnight wyvern]

them doing something or a character calling it out

[faint beacon]

Bulwarks rarely will slam their club against their shield while idling

[midnight wyvern]

they just stomp like ogryns (when the stomping stomps)

[void dragon]

Hey doing some sound when moving

[faint beacon]

Maulers sometime rev

Crushers it’s only footsteps

[tacit sonnet]

People keep acting like ds will become unusable next patch.

[midnight wyvern]

tiptoes

[midnight wyvern]

it will

[unreal nova]

Is why is more likely... me walk into room.

[midnight wyvern]

they're making it blunt on the tip

[unreal nova]

Ahhhhhhhhh! Backs out at speed of light.

[tacit sonnet]

It's literally not even nerfed that hard

[void dragon]

Probably will be nerfed on a next patch, but the changes are not only not so bad to make it unusable, they are necessary

[unreal nova]

Cos idle oggies being quiet as bloody heck.

[tacit sonnet]

How do I explain it will literally remain an extremely good weapon

[midnight wyvern]

they're half the size of a building so the visual cue is there

[void dragon]

Don't, the fools that think otherwise are not listening

[faint beacon]

The Ogryns are silent till they go into alert

[midnight wyvern]

play it in VR so you can get the sense of smell in there too, they serve nurgle so probably pretty stinky

[faint beacon]

Which is before they engage you

[void dragon]

Crusher falling next to you without a single sound

[unreal nova]

Too quiet even compared to other units.

[midnight wyvern]

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah, climbing up silently in full armour.

[void dragon]

Then you smell the tox bomber farts and then regret everything

[midnight wyvern]

getting charged by mutants with no sound, getting leaped by dog with no sound, no trapper net sound, crusher sneaking up behind you and unplugging your headphones

all great times

[void dragon]

Def best ninjas

[hasty grove]

Once again, refer to this

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it's not to keep hopes up. Don't need more players raging about the nerf by telling them to not start using it now.

[hasty grove]

You cant

[unreal nova]

Too OP. Like, Stealth 300 or something.

[void dragon]

Believe me, even with the changes they hinted the DS will still be a strong weapon

[hasty grove]

Because theyre meta crutching trash bag losers and their point and click adventure weapon will only be good instead of the best now

[void dragon]

Goes to show how broken it currently is

[unreal nova]

Parry is why the DC is usable in meme builds.

[midnight wyvern]

yeah they wanted to lower its overwhelming power and making it have a higher skill ceiling

just glad other things will get used

[hasty grove]

Great! Now nerf the recon lasgun

[faint beacon]

Literally a key noise to look out for for each one once they go into alert is this

Reapers: Some sort of call out that clearly has the confused and angry

Bulwarks: Angered grunt followed with them slamming their shield loudly

Crushers: Angered Grunts before they start moving towards you

[void dragon]

Hopium is that the DC will actually be usable for recon gun mainly builds, so you can counter some ragers and other melee enemies while gunning surgically everything else

In the next patch I believe

[unreal nova]

Plasma on the cutting room as well so even more reeeeeeeeeeee. I don't know, I hate using it so...

[hasty grove]

Ah yea, im going to notice the grunts and metal clanking while fighting hundreds of armored men with melee weapons

[void dragon]

Making the crushers have an unique tone of anger would go miles on making them more easy to track

[hasty grove]

Durrrr

[grand perch]

those've been shite long enough, let them stay awesome

[unreal nova]

Oh, I know the alerts if they play.

[midnight wyvern]

difference between a wave of them spawning and triggering idle enemies

[hasty grove]

No. Theyre grossly op

[midnight totem]

alrighty, time to use a new melee vet build

[grand perch]

so is pswords but it isnt getting nerfed anytime soon

[midnight totem]

time for

SERRATED BLADE POWER SWORD

[hasty grove]

Recon lasgaymers deserve all the bullying they get

[void dragon]

Plasma M1 was broken dumb, if they make it more shaff killer while M2 gets juiced it will be peak (it already 2 tap crushers H 40)

[void dragon]

PSword is slow as molasses and needs a lot of stamina for it's best combat loop

[unreal nova]

I hate the delay between shots. If you play at the ping I do, it's like 2 secs before feedback.

[void dragon]

That mobility weakness is very big

[void dragon]

I believe your suffering

[midnight totem]

Serrated Blade power sword is fun

[unreal nova]

And with normal hitscans is already bad enough I waste bullets on already dead things.

[void dragon]

Why make things bleed when they ded already?

[midnight totem]

Because Blood For the... Emperor

[void dragon]

[hasty grove]

Chaos taint detected

[unreal nova]

Can't bleed if one shotted sooooooooo

[unreal nova]

Your logic out the window.

[midnight totem]

I meant to do agile engagement but misclickedd the node

[void dragon]

LOGIC?! In my imperium of man?

[hasty grove]

Heresy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[void dragon]

Heresy it is
*Pulls Bolter

[unreal nova]

I'm a ||Slaaneshi||, WDYM?

[hasty grove]

Burn in hel gooner 🫵

[void dragon]

What I mea-(gunshots sounds)

[unreal nova]

There's more to Slaanesh than gooning though.

[hasty grove]

I am a citizen of the imperium

You expect me to NOT be ignorant?

[unreal nova]

The enjoyment of actual food.

[hasty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[hasty grove]

I eat corn

Emperor gracefully provides me with corn and bread

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Brainwashed.

[hasty grove]

I am very grateful for the emperor’s blessings

[unreal nova]

You mean the weird paste in tins.

[hasty grove]

I will now go charge the Khornite Marine name Gilglamesh The Spine Ripper with my humble combat knife in his name

[hasty grove]

In all seriousness the prevalence of corpse starch in the imperium has been greatly blown out of proportion

[unreal nova]

Oh. Sure. Have fun.

[unreal nova]

I know. Is just funni though.

[midnight totem]

actually 2 stacks of bleed per regular hit on power sword helps kill chaff pretty quickly when I don't have time to power up the blade

[hasty grove]

They mostly eat mass produceable crops like corn, beans, wheat products, and the meat of the strange mutated rat I caught in the barracks

[unreal nova]

There are farming/agricultural worlds after all.

[unreal nova]

Have you been learning oggy cooking?

[hasty grove]

No, but Ive been taught by the legendary culinary teacher

Starvation

[midnight wyvern]

eat keyboard

[midnight totem]

Fuck it, I'm going with this build for shits and giggles

[unreal nova]

True. Is why my personal fav way of temptation is offering ppl actual luxury meals back in the days of expanded RP and such.

[hasty grove]

My faith in the emperor remains unshaken

[lusty ether]

Big Daddy E Love

[hasty grove]

I’d never meet the emperor at the end of my life a traitor

[unreal nova]

Black crusade into RP since everyone got too strong or ascended.

[hasty grove]

I’ll sit upon his lap as he reads me story books and tells me about how much of a good job I did before sending my soul to the warp

[midnight totem]

serrated power sword new boss killer weapon

[unreal nova]

Why bother when you get 2 oggies every game?

[midnight totem]

I don't always get two oggies every game

[hasty grove]

I WANT THE TRAITOR CAPTAINS TO STOP BEING SUCH PUSHOVERS SO I CAN LISTEN TO DISPOSAL UNIT

[midnight wyvern]

god every time im not on Vet and I have a teammate walk into the clearly marked and making sounds Daemonhost I lose faith in humanity

[hasty grove]

[unreal nova]

Points at Imperial Edition.

[hasty grove]

Yes I can just listen to it on Spotify

[midnight wyvern]

or youtube

[hasty grove]

But I wanna listen to the best bossfight ost ever made while actually fighting the boss

[midnight wyvern]

why does the daemonhost leave after soul sucking one person

[hasty grove]

He was hangry

[midnight wyvern]

it should make its way through the team so everyone bullies all the people who wake them up

[unreal nova]

So not as bs as before. Used to kill 2 before poofing.

Now usually only the one that provoked it unless they leave and then it switches target.

[midnight totem]

High havoc ritual daemonhosts do kill everyone though

[midnight wyvern]

good

its things like this that made me play DH killing loadout to begin with

[grand perch]

he aint no slut

[midnight wyvern]

[unreal nova]

I kinda rather put on God Eater stuff but taste.

[hasty grove]

Freakyhost

[sonic kayak]

When the

NEXUS

FABELLOR

IMPLOREM

QUADRIGUE

hits just right

[unreal nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rorFC0b120

[hasty grove]

When the chorus hits while slicing through a horde of poxwalkers

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[unreal nova]

Dayus Pita fight from memory.

[hasty grove]

I wasnt able to understand what they were saying so thanks for that loll

[tacit sonnet]

Can someone share a h40 recon build?

[midnight wyvern]

no

[unreal nova]

You just bring a non-onslaught recon build and hope your team carries you since you only decimate bosses.

[loud belfry]

video game

[unreal nova]

I know, I tried it once. Bosses melt, panic everything else.

[hasty grove]

Step 1. Use recon lasgun

Step 2. Win

[agile mango]

in the new patch you guys think shotgun vet might have a place? buffed agri seems really good

[formal ice]

No

[hasty grove]

Veteran doesnt have a place in general

[formal ice]

Exactly

[agile mango]

LIES

[hasty grove]

Every class does what we do but better

[agile mango]

grenade vet is cracked

[hasty grove]

Ogryn & zealot do it better

[agile mango]

they do not

[formal ice]

Meet the Zealot

[agile mango]

zealot is way worse at it

especially in high havoc

has no way to get grenades back

[hasty grove]

Fun fact: theres these little boxes you find everywhere

Containing grenades!

[agile mango]

they will never be able to spam 'nades like a vet can

[gilded wraith]

Grenade vet is decent and scales great with difficulty. I'd view it as a step below Rumbler and Purgatus for the role of AoE overall.

[hollow ibex]

i mean zealot only has throwing knives anyway

[hasty grove]

But unlink vet, zealot grenades aren’t mediocre

[agile mango]

I agree with this statement generally

[agile mango]

shredders are really strong

[formal ice]

Having to wait 60 seconds to use a single bleed grenade

[agile mango]

that's not what gives you 'nade spem. demo team 5% chance to get back gives like hundreds of grenades thanks to the elite/special spam.

[hasty grove]

5%….

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[agile mango]

doesn't matter when there's a hundred elites/specials on screen

[unreal nova]

Just gotta DING DING DING MFER.

[gilded wraith]

Rumblers weird.. regular game it's impressive. High havoc with the + radius talent, a survivalist aura and BLO and it turns into wtf...

[agile mango]

it's heinous

[hasty grove]

That you will surely kill before the 3 (soon to be 4) infinitely stronger classes do

[agile mango]

with 4 grenades and uncanny, you likely will.

[gilded wraith]

Dorn said something about either 10k or 20k dps into h40 horde... I honestly don't remember which. Either seems incredible.

[hasty grove]

WITH WHAT GRENADES?

[agile mango]

shredders

[hasty grove]

If I’m spamming grenades I likely do not have any grenades to spam

[unreal nova]

0/3 'nades if you can't roll constant 5%s.

[agile mango]

you get all of them back because of the elites/specials you kill with said 'nade spam.

it's a feedback loop

[hasty grove]

Its not

[agile mango]

it absolutely is

[hasty grove]

Youre either really lucky or coping

[unreal nova]

Tell me how many Nat 20s you roll in like 100 rolls.

[agile mango]

5

[unreal nova]

Now do the same another 20 times.

[agile mango]

why?

[hasty grove]

Those are the odds of 5%

[unreal nova]

It's a game of chance.

[frank basin]

Today is judgement day, and Cordis Die

[agile mango]

on average its 5 every single 100 rolls

with 20 rolls, it's one.

[unreal nova]

It's whatever it wants to be.

[agile mango]

no, it's one on average

[unreal nova]

I have literally rolled 0 twinned in 50 nades.

[agile mango]

god must hate you

[unreal nova]

That's 20% every throw,

5% is even lower. So it's just casino vet, I guess.

Everyone has stable OP. We casino to get close to their lvl.

[agile mango]

the chance of that happening is winning an 80% dice game 50 times. that's (0.8^50)*100 = 0.00142724769271%. I'm not kidding, for that to happen to you, it must be an act of god.

[faint beacon]

Honestly curious

[unreal nova]

I can be very unlucky in games.

[midnight totem]

If you use serrated power sword like I do, then the Emperor will bless your grenade rolls.

This is the way.

[unreal nova]

It's been an injoke when I played D&D to the point my DM asked me if I wanted to switch my 1s and 20s.

And then I proceeded to roll 20s,

[agile mango]

cosmically unlucky it seems lol

[faint beacon]

Anyone have a raw soundbyte of the downed sound queue