veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

(i only lose at demo team gambling)

[quiet valley]

This is talent tree gore, what weapons are you running so we can help you fix this

[noble epoch]

With kraks and shredders

Yeah

Smokes

[grand perch]

especially with smokes

[steep flower]

you want regen too

[noble epoch]

They can Put the fries in the bag vro

[spark canopy]

is inf lasgun more or less useless

[faint beacon]

No tac awarness and iron will is just

holy

pain

[steep flower]

👆

[hollow ibex]

it's very niche, and about to get even more niche once helby gets buffed lol

[frank basin]

Iron will meta user

[grand perch]

helbore was mentioned

[hollow ibex]

that's just a troll build right?

has to be

[faint beacon]

Iron Will carrying 90% of Vet's Survivability outside of VOC builds

[unreal nova]

Tell me if it works out for you.

[spark canopy]

we will be seeing a lot more kriegsmen after the helbore buff

[noble epoch]

Oh Did they get fixed

Or

Are they still buns

[normal bay]

They just aren't familiar with vet lol

[steep flower]

COD aswell to a degree but some ppl decide not to take it

[frank basin]

What’s CoD?

[steep flower]

Close Order Drill

[hollow ibex]

oof i assumed it was a troll build

[faint beacon]

Kindaish

CoD is decent but you need to stick with your group closely

[frank basin]

Probably I run tank build using cod and IW same time

[steep flower]

which you always do

[faint beacon]

and when you're playing with a bunch of other competent players you tend to be in coherency every so often

[steep flower]

i run both in every build

[topaz lance]

I like to skip Iron WIll and I never use VoC. I mostly play vanilla Damnation though.

[normal bay]

I still use CoD on shout builds lol

[quiet valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-snake-bait-old-snake-mgs-bait-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-16665329923744849402

[hollow ibex]

as someone doing the rescue penance, thank you for your service. 🫡

[topaz lance]

Whut?
I am being serious. I don't go down often either.

[hollow ibex]

you're being serious? you realize that's worse. you do understand why that's worse, right?

[quiet valley]

Non auric, non havoc even, normal Damnation is like Sedition nowadays

[steep flower]

for an experienced player; many are not tho

[topaz lance]

No I don't get it?
Are you one of those "play the game like I want you to or you suck" people?

[hollow ibex]

no, this isn't even a playstyle thing. you're just trolling yourself, and your team by not taking iron will.

[grand perch]

youre simply boasting youre skipping the near 100% pick rate best talents in the entire tree
/e: speaking of iron will here, voc is the best but not near 100% pick rate

[topaz lance]

So I am trolling because the build is too weak AND the difficulty I'm playing at is Sedition, at the same time?
Amazing how that works.

[hollow ibex]

but that's ok, i'm sure many of your teammates need the revive/rescue penance anyway

so they appreciate it

[steep flower]

Nah; we are simply... experienced with what the game can do to ya & plan accordingly

[true jackal]

basically there is no reason to not take it

it's incredibly good and you are gimping yourself by not

even if you are preforming well without it

you'd preform even better with it

[topaz lance]

I am not boasting at all, I just like to spend my points in other nodes.
People are getting all worked up about it 😄

[quiet valley]

Post tree?

[winter hinge]

Ideally special sniping

[topaz lance]

Need the points for nodes I prefer

[noble epoch]

The middle down tree has one of the best if not the best nodes back to back

A lot of peak there

[winter hinge]

Helbore Lasgun, that's the plan at the moment

[noble epoch]

Born leader, tactical awareness, iron will, demo team and bring it down are peak

[faint beacon]

Look I totally toss iron will on auric

[steep flower]

I can help you; can explain in vc

[faint beacon]

But my ass is not gonna get shredded by gunners

And shooters

As the Asthma based character

[winter hinge]

You know what? Sure thing, sure thing, just give me a sec as my pc is actively dying to the extreme heat in my place right now

[topaz lance]

threw this together in 3 minutes, this is the basis for 80% of my builds with vet
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c63d823-14be-40e8-b91b-5bb38471626e/test-9

[steep flower]

error 403

fitting

[noble epoch]

You got your build set so you only can see it

Activate the link vro

[faint beacon]

LET ME SEE IT SO I CAN BULLY YOU

I mean

[topaz lance]

Ups
v

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c63d823-14be-40e8-b91b-5bb38471626e/test-9

[noble epoch]

@topaz lance

[faint beacon]

Show you the optimal pathing

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

[winter hinge]

I have returned

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/mGKMkeHJ

[noble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o'neal-shaq-time-out-stop-stop-it-gif-8464852630431003027

Down it’s not that bad but holy fuck

[quiet valley]

This is a generic outline for a Helbore build, you can mix and match lower nodes if you are more comfortable with a Keystone

[umbral scaffold]

lol no

[hollow ibex]

you realize GBITF is ass right? you should also really be taking demo team and iron will

i also don't know why you're running deadshot on a WS build

you know, a build thta gives you guaranteed crits?

[umbral scaffold]

: /

[faint beacon]

Catch a Breath is leagues better also

[unreal nova]

Boss died too fast or so?

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

[unreal nova]

Wait, what difficulty?

[faint beacon]

It’s basically static regen till you get tagged in melee

[umbral scaffold]

heresy

[noble epoch]

Idk chief

[topaz lance]

WS work for one shot only.

[quiet valley]

Don’t know what else to tell ya

[hollow ibex]

you have a rashad, it should be effortless to constantly have crits ready to go

[unreal nova]

Hrm... I wonder... I did it first try with that nonsense tbh. Just roughly aimed up high and blasted away. You did everything, right? Activated exe stance as well and such?

[hollow ibex]

it's a wasted point

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

its fine ill try to get it another time

[unreal nova]

Worst case, you need to duo with someone so more chances.

[umbral scaffold]

dont play much vet unless penance hunting

[unreal nova]

Ah. Well, I'll see if I have time later. Will pop on my oggy so I can just slab afk a pogryn for better chances.

[topaz lance]

I do like to take the ranged role sometimes, in rooms with lots of gunners etc. I understand your reasoning but I prefer taking deadshot anyways (with non auto weapons at least. Also not with the DB, for that one I do actually take Iron Will but don't let anyone know).

[arctic rampart]

failure to take iron will will result in suspension of veteran license.

[unreal nova]

Wait, did you ads in exe stance?

Like rmb shoot the entire time?

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[unreal nova]

Then weird. Usually is ppl forgetting to actually brace/ads when doing it.

[hollow ibex]

true

it's like not taking at least one source of grenade regen lol

when vet gets reworked, they really need to move some of fundamental/basic fucking talents to the very top of the tree

[unreal nova]

Unless sub lvl 10.

[hollow ibex]

like how ogryn has it

[hollow ibex]

no exceptions.

[unreal nova]

No points.

[hollow ibex]

report to the commissar for execution

[unreal nova]

You legit need lvl 10 for grenade regen lul.

[hollow ibex]

ik, just memeing lol

but demo team really needs to be moved to the top of the tree

[arctic rampart]

demo team isn't that great until you hit aurics though. demo stockpile is much better earlier

[unreal nova]

Min damnation.

[arctic rampart]

iron will should be up there earlier..

[hollow ibex]

i meant demo stockpile

[unreal nova]

Otherwise not as worth it.

[hollow ibex]

always mix those two up

[hollow ibex]

yeah at the very top

[arctic rampart]

yeah, everyone takes both anyway 😄

[hollow ibex]

and bring vanguard back

[hollow ibex]

a lot of people don't from what i've seen

[arctic rampart]

bring bromuntum on hellbores back

[quiet valley]

?

hotshot?

Or bayo tech

[arctic rampart]

bayo tech. hellbores used to carry melee weapon perks over from melee weapon onto stabs

[unreal nova]

Shush.

[umbral scaffold]

ill try again

[quiet valley]

Well, the MkIV is getting a bayo buff, let’s see how bad it is first

[arctic rampart]

oh, did they put out playtest patch notes or something?

[quiet valley]

Yeah it’s in the balance notes

[arctic rampart]

did they buffs recons?

[hollow ibex]

no

[quiet valley]

No lol

[unreal nova]

I always have both and field improv on 'nadier builds.

[quiet valley]

Why

[arctic rampart]

cause I like them, obviously 😄

[unreal nova]

Moar 'nades gud.

[quiet valley]

Field Impov 💀

[hollow ibex]

true...

[arctic rampart]

I've never had a teammate take field improv, ever

[quiet valley]

Recons are already very strong atm

[unreal nova]

I have clutched with 20 'nades before.

[quiet valley]

Ok

[unreal nova]

Everything blew up, picked up the last one alive, it gud.

[unreal nova]

WDYM, even my recon build has it.

[arctic rampart]

I'd like onslaught to be convenient in the tree so I can do less damages while craB sliding everywhere (w/ m1 tac axe)

[quiet valley]

onslaught is mid imo

[hasty grove]

Recon build this recon build that

[arctic rampart]

onslaught sux but its fun

[quiet valley]

You are sacrificing 4 talents to not melee Crushers

[unreal nova]

And that build is stupid as heck.

[hasty grove]

Recon the dating pool cuh

[arctic rampart]

oh I know. I tried to make ti work. it sucks lul

[unreal nova]

I already have a girlfriend, WDYM?

[hasty grove]

Regardless of your relationship status use of the recon lasgun is bitchless behavior

[arctic rampart]

well they were talking about shotguns 3m ago

[unreal nova]

Bistol.

[hasty grove]

Bistol my beloved

[unreal nova]

'Nadiers use Bistol.

[umbral scaffold]

mopers

[arctic rampart]

or whatever.. some stupid weapon

[hasty grove]

Big bullet go BWOOSH!

[quiet valley]

Whatever Deadshot Recon XIV is still the best use of the Recon platform

[hasty grove]

Infantry lasgun >

[quiet valley]

All you onslaught users can kick rocks

[hasty grove]

All you recon users can kick rocks

[unreal nova]

Still a nogo on it?

[hasty grove]

Infantry superiority

[arctic rampart]

the only recon worth using is the one that makes the sound

[umbral scaffold]

No

[quiet valley]

Sorry your main infantry weapon gets outclassed in every metric by a las musket and a dinky las pistol

[hasty grove]

I dont need your fancy shcmancy recon to get the job done

“That thing’s a dang gimmick sonny”

[unreal nova]

WDYM? That dinky lil las pistol is like hilariously good.

[hasty grove]

I love my emperor’s flashlight

[unreal nova]

Even more so on psyker.

[quiet valley]

Yes it’s the best Vet Ranged weapon in the game atm

[arctic rampart]

long as you got an auto fire macro

take the blue stim, you stay in laspistol land, see how deep the rabbit hole goes

[hasty grove]

Using mods or macros in a multiplayer game is smelly behavior imo

[quiet valley]

The LasX is unironically better than plasma, it will be even better after the nerfs

[hasty grove]

Plasma is getting a nerf?

[arctic rampart]

LUL. no. using a mod to prevent carpal tunnel in a PVE video game is not smelly behavior.

[unreal nova]

I don't mod and actually use controller. Even I say it's hilariously good for how it looks.

[hasty grove]

Just git gud

[hasty grove]

Girl same

[void dragon]

I can git gud, but me hand is noob all the way

[arctic rampart]

when you get north of 40 you get macro privs

[hasty grove]

My instrument of heretic slaying

[unreal nova]

Only if it's that full auto. The moment the other ones shows up, I call cheating.

[quiet valley]

So girly pop

[void dragon]

Much loyal, very kawaii

[hasty grove]

I’m slaying 💅 the enemies of the emperor

[arctic rampart]

KeepSwinging? I think I saw ungabunga or something but I dont use it

[void dragon]

See ObeseFish? This is why we need a felinid class

[hasty grove]

My reject looks like she smells like mildewy towels

[unreal nova]

Those two are the same as the auto fire. I mean that mod that ppl use to break the game. Macros but better.

[void dragon]

Sewer sebitor drip

[quiet valley]

Girl’s got a skin condition

[arctic rampart]

I just use it on M1 spam weapons like laspistol or tac axe

[hasty grove]

Yes, it’s called FIRE

[void dragon]

Nah,just extra patched up

[sonic kayak]

You have KeepSwinging, UngaBunga, FullAuto, Skitarius

[unreal nova]

The last one is basically cheating.

It's macros but better.

[sonic kayak]

You can set up a good macro but it doesn't guarantee you a win

[unreal nova]

You never saw the BS I saw.

[hasty grove]

She sustained facial burns when her chimera was ambushed by a buncha boyz and fell in a ravine

[arctic rampart]

I mean some people think healthbars is cheating, is that what you mean? or it does something more nefarious

[void dragon]

You still need common sense, something not all rejects have

[sonic kayak]

M1 staff spam on Psyker? Sure

[void dragon]

There is no mod for it

[unreal nova]

I saw an ogryn take no damage, perma stunlock everything that isn't a BoN.

[sonic kayak]

Or choco(?) using it to animation cancel the Karl pickaxe

But those are things you can do manually

[quiet valley]

I mean it lets you optimize your damage output but, 90% of users just like funny numbers

[unreal nova]

And while you can do it manually, you will damage your hand in 5 secs with how fast you need to spam.

[void dragon]

I like it to see how much bleeding/fire is on the heretic I'm killing

[unreal nova]

And even then, you will mess up the timings manually.

[sonic kayak]

In most cases the game in a live environment will eat your inputs anyways

[unreal nova]

That thing does it perfectly every single time for as long as you want.

[unreal nova]

Naw. Like I said, I saw ppl using it.

[arctic rampart]

it doesnt sound like cheating to me. I wouldnt use it but I wouldnt care if my teammates using it

[sonic kayak]

Then those are ultra sweats lol

[unreal nova]

I basically didn't need to do anything since everything was permastunlocked to death.

[sonic kayak]

Most people that I've seen here who use those mods have issues with mobility anyways

[unreal nova]

Even CSpawn.

[arctic rampart]

I random queue cause all my friends quit this game in beta 😄 -- most of my teammates are just terrible. anything to make them better that isn't straight cheating is fine with me

[unreal nova]

And it didn't take forever like smite.

[sonic kayak]

But again, it requires you to know what you're doing first in order to maximize

[unreal nova]

Since ogryn lights still hit harder.

[arctic rampart]

I told this one guy a few months ago I liked using healthbars mod. he started ranting at me and calling me a cheater and multiple times demanded I turn off my mod before he got netted around a corner and rage quit

[sonic kayak]

Ironically enough the only reason I'd use Skitarius personally is because I make inputs too fast

The MK 3 knife punch can be canceled out, and so can the slap punch on the Mk 2 bully club

[arctic rampart]

yes from the lofty hites of eliteness Skitarius slows me down and makes me more like you. be glad.

[sonic kayak]

You'll do the animation but you can cancel it out of the actual hit

[arctic rampart]

jk 🙂

[sonic kayak]

They just need to make the inputs work properly

[umbral scaffold]

😭

[unreal nova]

Is cheating in a way by having more info but eh. It's not like the stuff I see from Skitarius that actually ruins the game.

[sonic kayak]

But still, I don't riff with anyone who uses any of those mods simply because one glove doesn't fit all sizes

Also, if Fatshark really had an issue, they would've shut it down

Everything else is all interjection

They do watch the modding scene you know

[unreal nova]

They should have. If quell cancel bad. Skitarius is basically it for anything you want.

It if can be cancel chained, it will be.

[arctic rampart]

healthbars does give you an advantage and it is probably the most powerful UI change.. agree. but I dont think its cheating

[unreal nova]

As said, I saw two oggies do it.

[sonic kayak]

Right, then let all weapons suffer like how staves do now and make them all feel worse and less responsive

[crude star]

if it's an advantage you don't normally get from regular gameplay why isn't it cheating

[unreal nova]

I could go AFK and still have won.

[faint beacon]

It’s good feedback

[sonic kayak]

Versus being able to nuke the map from a block away, which is why the staff quell canceling was nerfed in the first place

[hollow ibex]

it's cheating like danger zone is cheating

[faint beacon]

That’s all I can say

[hollow ibex]

you're being provided information allowing you to make better judgments

that people without the mods normally wouldn't have access to

[arctic rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

[unreal nova]

You try doing old quell cancel the ENTIRE run without hurting your hands.

Manually.

[hollow ibex]

i run them all tho

i don't think the benefit is particularly materil

[sonic kayak]

Have you seen Skudie? She doesn't use a macro lmao

[crude star]

if i am going to be doing some kinda cancel that made me stronger then you damn sure i am going to be doing it manually or else i do not deserve it

[narrow frost]

I used to do it too

[unreal nova]

99.9% of people can't. That's what I'm saying.

[crude star]

then they shouldn't

[hollow ibex]

must be nice to be young and have good hands

[unreal nova]

And even if they could, they get tired after a run or two.

[arctic rampart]

Are you trying to argue people should physically hurt themselves in a PVE video game for bravado

[hollow ibex]

it's straight up a gameplay advantage too

on arguably the highest dps class in the game

[bronze bobcat]

"Guys having the game playing for me and doing the inputs is not cheating, it's just a temporal fix until I fully develop my bot so he can play while I sleep"

[hollow ibex]

huh?

[arctic rampart]

obviously veteran is the highest dps class, right? 😿

[unreal nova]

This is basically what is happening except with oggy and melee. But if you get even close... nothing can kill or hurt you. Not even bosses can do jack unless BoN since basically immune to stagger.

[atomic void]

blame the kamehameha abusers for the quell shit 👍

[unreal nova]

Why an auto clicker is one thing. That isn't just an auto clicker.

[atomic void]

they were firing at inhuman speeds

i saw bunch of them

[arctic rampart]

master roshi?

[sonic kayak]

I'm arguing that it's being made a bigger deal than what it needs to be; Everyone will find a way to get an edge up on someone else regardless of what game is or how they play. Macroing can help people with impairments and that's fine. People can abuse macros and that's a tale as old as time.

Out of all the most disgusting things in this game to do was the quell canceling for staves, because you don't even need to understand the game mechanics or ANYTHING to nuke a map with the staves, which is why it was nerfed the way it was. Play the game the way you want

[unreal nova]

If only you saw the oggy thing...

[atomic void]

me when i have to press buttons

[hasty grove]

Das est gutt?

[crude star]

it's fine to play the game the way you want, i think you just need to not pretend your advantages aren't advantages

[hasty grove]

Not the build, the outfut

[faint beacon]

Would Goku quell cancel

[atomic void]

goku quit the game after the patch bro!

[bronze bobcat]

Relying on external helps to being able of play the game is the biggest "skill issue" you can find lol

[unreal nova]

I saw someone do it to 5 cspawns and took nothing as the spawns get permastunned in psykhanium. Live is even worse since where do you get even 5 cspawns and a mixed horde in a real game?

[crude star]

people going all "it's not cheating!" but then can't win without these advantages...

[faint beacon]

Ja, es ist gutt

[hasty grove]

I went for a militiawoman look

[atomic void]

im gonna make a script that auto dodges everything

sorry pressing space gives me carpal tunnel

[hasty grove]

Like a humble farmer taking up arms to repel a demonic incursion type shit

[sonic kayak]

Are you talking about the video of CStrike out-sustaining 5 Chaos Spawns?

[unreal nova]

No. Permastunning with slap while bonking.

[sonic kayak]

Ok? If you know how to do that then what's the problem? It's not hard *without a macro

[unreal nova]

Took no damage at all.

[sonic kayak]

You need setup more than anything

All the impact + NHF

[crude star]

it's not hard with a macro..

[unreal nova]

And the damage output.

[unreal nova]

What NHF? They did it solo.

What friends?

[atomic void]

ok so ogryn is broken which means lets make everything broken

[unreal nova]

They didn't even get hit.

[sonic kayak]

This is post or pre-rework? You can't do it without NHF

[unreal nova]

Post. Skitarius mod isn't that old.

[sonic kayak]

All that's needed is like just 1 stack but you still need that extra impact on the Bully Club

The shovel punch just needs max HH stacks

[unreal nova]

Thing is, Skitarius mod makes it very easy to do it perfectly.

[bronze bobcat]

Guys someone knows a macro so the game automatically moves my aim to the head of my target? like an aimbot but without cheating

[unreal nova]

And it was with bullyclub.

The one with the more strikedown looking swing.

Not 3b.

[bronze bobcat]

Trying to aim gives me headpain

[crude star]

i dunno what gun to use

[tame lodge]

Aim Assist

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-robert-pattinson-suit-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-9336155743238770356

[bronze bobcat]

It's that a macro? I don't want to cheat

[tame lodge]

(it sucks)

Nope not a macro

It's a feature in the game

For controller

Except it sucks

[sonic kayak]

How was the combo?

[unreal nova]

No, just use a controller. But it's really bad in Tide games.

[bronze bobcat]

But I'm not gay

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[unreal nova]

Light into special. Not sure timing.

They perfected it basically and broke auric maels for lul.

[bronze bobcat]

Listen guys if we call the aimbot a "macro" then is not cheating, so play along

[hollow ibex]

i'm going to install more macros

just to piss this guy off

[crude star]

so lame

[bronze bobcat]

You're still not clearing havoc 40 so not my problem

[narrow frost]

It's too difficult

[unreal nova]

WDYM? H40 TS at 300 ping on controller with sub 40 fps because relic CPU.

[narrow frost]

Now with the ds nerf no one will be able to finish havoc 40

We'll need macros

[atomic void]

my friend john xina told me darktide is getting deleted

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/true-feel-that-thats-true-gif-7410050725709839510

[crude star]

are infantry lasguns usable/which mark is the most fun

[atomic void]

[bronze bobcat]

Only situation I can accept this is that if you got born without hands or something

[hollow ibex]

hardly

[unreal nova]

WDYM? 4 Oggies easy.

[hollow ibex]

mk2 or middle mark are the best rn

[umbral scaffold]

joined a mid match a perfect burgle and it's gone lol

[slow spade]

the Kanteal MG LA is probably the best overall lasgun

whatever it's called now

[unreal nova]

The penance?

[slow spade]

oh the Kantreal Mk VII

[crude star]

better than recons?

[slow spade]

that's the one

[arctic rampart]

I know you're joking but a very small minority of people do experience that and have severe challenges.

[slow spade]

lol no

[crude star]

ok when you said 'overall best lasgun' i was confused if you just meant infantry or all of them

[umbral scaffold]

lul yeah no dice

[crude star]

i have invested into this recon and i just.. i just don't think i like it

[bronze bobcat]

I have been sticking with the Vraks infantry autogun because the plasma is too slow for me to enjoy it. If you can handle the recoil it melts anything in half a second (there is a lot of recoil tho)

[hollow ibex]

it's very good, and boring

[true jackal]

das fine

[atomic void]

yeah i know one of my friends had to get extensive surgery to deal with it and it didnt go well and now he cant use his hand at 100% anymore but the pain stopped at least 😬

[slow spade]

I personally like the 1-tap guns

[true jackal]

just cause a weapon is good doesn't mean it's fun

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hollow ibex]

wow nice recoil control. are you using macros?

[crude star]

i've used a lot of helbore, and i mostly like it, but sometimes it feels a little slow

[true jackal]

like the current plasma gun? feels like shit to me, regardless of it's strength

[atomic void]

he lost all strength in his wrist

which is obviously fucking awful

[crude star]

but i also wanna be like a true veteran ya know?? lore accurate

[slow spade]

the fact the revolver does higher damage than the plasma is funny to me

[bronze bobcat]

No, you eventually learn how to handle it, imagine it like a RPG where you get exp and lvl up the more you do something, until you get good at it

Instead of using cheat codes to lvl up

[sonic kayak]

I'm still not understanding how, macro or not. There just isn't enough impact to stunlock with the Bully Club easily

[atomic void]

a lot more limited use case tho imo

[sonic kayak]

You also need to aim at a specific spot even with

[grand perch]

4x tac axe new meta ez havoc clear

[unreal nova]

Did they break it? It's literally just volley fire ads shoot hed. Maybe don't un ads till volley fire goes away. Or stare at FS.

[unreal nova]

I saw what I saw. Things getting bullied on 3 VEG.

[bronze bobcat]

A lore accurate veteran uses whatever is available at the moment

[sonic kayak]

I believe that, but not in the psykhanium

[grand perch]

and a good lore accurate veteran steals whatever hes going to need

[sonic kayak]

NHF procs on any damage taken, by anyone, anywhere

[crude star]

I see..

[unreal nova]

Oh, they did it in there as well just to showcase. Is as bs there.

[sonic kayak]

interesting

[bronze bobcat]

Correction, we "borrow" it

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-40k-warhammer-40k-dawn-lf-dawn-of-war-gif-9274783432445566798

[unreal nova]

And best part? Was just a standard HH bullrush build.

[bronze bobcat]

I mean I plan to eventually give it back so is not stealing, I'm just taking a few extra years

[unreal nova]

Use rush for speed.

[sonic kayak]

Well, you use it for the stagger on the CSpawn

Taunt doesn't give enough unlike on DHs

You don't even need to use an ability to do that to DHs but that's another story

[unreal nova]

But thing is, they chose 5 cspawns to showcase for a reason.

If you can bs 5 of them and bully them all to death... IDK, maybe the mod needs caps or to be removed.

[bronze bobcat]

Someone knows a macro to talk with girls?

[sonic kayak]

He did it to finish? Without them attacking?

[unreal nova]

They just kept being flung back.

IDK how to describe it.

[sonic kayak]

Ironically enough the shovel punch would be easier against a CS than going through all that work to make something like that happen lol

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but that thing allows you to also easily CC and kill massive hordes.

[sonic kayak]

Which is fine because the current MK 3 LMB spam does the same thing

[unreal nova]

On the more ST mark of bully club.

[sonic kayak]

But I'm interested in what his setup was that he seemingly did it sub-optimally

[unreal nova]

I'll have to get on to check which, but I know it's not 3.

[sonic kayak]

Was he front-facing or sideways-facing them?

[unreal nova]

Because I use the 3 and the first light is not a vertical-ish hit.

Front.

[sonic kayak]

The Mk 1 and 2 are horizontal lights; their heavies are swapped but the Mk 2 has a special L4 followup to the punch after slap

Are you sure it wasn't the shovel

[unreal nova]

Nope. Bully club.

The special is a slap.

[crude star]

man, why can voidstrike one shot a crusher and my helbore can't

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961

[unreal nova]

Might be special into light but the only thing I can be sure is, bully club not mk 3, chains light+special insanely fast consistently.

[grand perch]

youre not marksman focusing hard enough

[sonic kayak]

The only thing that comes to mind is the MK 2 slap punch

[crude star]

do i truly go walk that path

perhaps

[sonic kayak]

But again, that needs NHF for CSpawns

[unreal nova]

I did remember them saying it has faster lights than the m3, but that's about it.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, nobody got hurt when in showcase.

If it's No Hurting Friends.

[bronze bobcat]

I think you're trying to hard to make a gun work the way you want lol

[crude star]

it's not even trying to hard to make it work the way I want, it's more an observation of why the hell is the voidstrike staff way stronger

[unreal nova]

Maybe we try private in like 30 mins.

[winter hinge]

Okay! Made some changes and hopefully this is now decent X3

[hollow ibex]

is this a helby build?

[steep flower]

yuh

[hollow ibex]

damn lol

oh wait it's back

[normal bay]

Awfully convenient timing with arby info drop

[hollow ibex]

i checked the editor

no arby yet

check again in six minutes ig lol

[hollow ibex]

try something like this instead

for melee weapon, psword or hsword

[umbral scaffold]

sure, if possible. i might still be on

[tall torrent]

Sorry but auric is still just damnation+

It’s damnation with spawn int modifier

[loud belfry]

it's difficulty 5.5 i suppose

[sonic kayak]

EDD in Darktide

[loud belfry]

but maybe this is all we really need in life

[tall torrent]

No

Just damnation with higher spawn int

[unreal nova]

I am back on PC.

[umbral scaffold]

let me turn on geforce now

[unreal nova]

Doesn't that mean extra delays and such?

[umbral scaffold]

its how I play

[unreal nova]

Vox or ingame?

[umbral scaffold]

sorry few moments , i use geforce now cloud gaming

[umbral scaffold]

loading ingame my friend code is in the username

[unreal nova]

It might be it. I tried it to see animations.

[hollow ibex]

farewell vet chat

i don't think i'll be playing vet for a while

they cooked with the our bites tree

[unreal nova]

New class as OP as I thought?

[hollow ibex]

idk if it'll be op, but the tree just looks really fun

just so many build options

and cops don't pay taxes

[sonic kayak]

*feds

For you are

The Lawn

[sonic kayak]

They made the tree like Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Ah, so already better than vet.

[slow spade]

there's gameplay vids of the Arbites c:

seems pretty fun though I'm sad the dog can't save you from trappers

[hollow ibex]

Dw the dog is sad too that he can't save you from trappers

https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-adorable-cute-gif-14614095

[slow spade]

dog c:

wow that is a fat talent tree

[grand perch]

i am deeply offended

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah

[unreal nova]

So pay to not pay taxes.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[unreal nova]

Can we already get tax nodes just baked in so we have all those free points to spend elsewhere at least?

[tall torrent]

Quite strong

Arbites maul + mk8 EX shotgun

Pretty peak

[true jackal]

that the rending shotgun? or the electro one?

[tall torrent]

25% brittleness for 8s

[unreal nova]

Yes, but still, OP?

[tall torrent]

It looks to be the more accurate one between the two

[muted elk]

it doesn't look OP at all it looks quite average

[unreal nova]

Because if it's Psyker/Oggy tiers of OP, still doesn't change the, pay for better vet.

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks again for the help btw. You're awesome

[tall torrent]

Nah

[muted elk]

wat the frick ... ogryn isn't op lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s like top 3-4 class

Not op like psyker and ogryn

It’s pretty close tho

Top 2.5?

[unreal nova]

Heh. I don't mind tbh. I'm usually one of the three(?) ppl poke for MM anyway.

[unreal nova]

Shrugs.

Still... When Zealot loner removed and or buffed? When Vet tax nodes removed and just baked into the class?

[frail citrus]

so when 2 vets are running focus target, im assuming it doesnt stack if you both tag the same target?

[unreal nova]

Doesn't stack. At best refreshes or applies highest.

[slow spade]

the tags use the highest stacks but the Redirect Fire buffs stack

so you can get hilarious damage if you have 4 ping vets actually using pings

[frail citrus]

yeah i know redirect fire stacks, i remember when it didn’t and it was two separate buffs

so both vets would have to maintain their own redirect fire

so annoying

[slow spade]

fun times c:

[frail citrus]

yeah it’s nuts, if you have max stacks for everything it’s a 48% dmg increase

i figured they didn’t stack on single target but i never tested so i just wanted to make sure

[tall torrent]

No

Just overrides to whoever has the highest

Redirect fire cannot exceed 8 stacks

And if someone hits 8 stacks, everyone has 8 stacks

It’s a teamwide buff

[frail citrus]

i love it when ppl don’t read all the messages and only see 1 out of an entire convo

and come in with they high and mighty attitude

[tall torrent]

What?

[frail citrus]

if you just looked like 1 message before the one you tagged you’d see i was talking about old redirect fire

[tall torrent]

There’s a new redirect fire?

[faint beacon]

Guys- I regret to inform you

Veterans gimmick is no longer their own gimmick (Regening Frags)

[frail citrus]

before if there were 2 vets that had redirect fire, it’d give you two separate buffs for it (for their respective vet), now they are combined so you don’t have to micromanage who’s killing what enemy

[tall torrent]

If you’re talking about the previous 8 stack of redirect fire being potentially overridden by a 5 stack one

This is not the case

[faint beacon]

Also @tall torrent don’t know if you’ve seen it

[tall torrent]

As long as someone tags something at 8 stacks, and that thing is killed by anyone

[faint beacon]

Check out gameslantern

Arbites Tree is out

[tall torrent]

This is not really a per-individual case

[frail citrus]

bath i don’t think you’re understanding what i’m saying

[tall torrent]

Only the person with highest stack count has to think about it

[frail citrus]

but that’s okay

5th graders usually have trouble with that kind of stiff

[unreal nova]

I told you Arbites is just vet but better.

Pay for a better vet.

[tall torrent]

How is it 48% damage

[faint beacon]

Pay for Vet rework

Might see me play Arbites more tbh

I enjoy staggering shit

Till Vet rework drops at least

[steep flower]

not having COD & CK on exec stance can be devastating if you're gonna be dueling gunners/facing alot fo elites; extra grenade & 5% crit chance is nice but not as good as survivability

[frail citrus]

8 stacks on 1 target is 32%, with redirect fire maxed to 8 that’s an additonal 12%, not 48 i got my math wrong but still 44%

[tall torrent]

This is not how it works, they’re not of the same type of damage bonus

[steep flower]

The arc mine... I WANT IT NOW

[frail citrus]

lol bath i don’t even know why im listening to you

i feel like you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing

[faint beacon]

2 KEYSTONES BTW

[tall torrent]

I’m not, it’s quite literally not how it works?

[faint beacon]

2

[frail citrus]

like literally every point i made you feel like you have the criticize it

[faint beacon]

THAT YOU CAN USE

[steep flower]

WAIT WHAT

[tall torrent]

I am not trying to criticize you

Idk where u got that idea from

[frail citrus]

your aggressive attitude

so im not going to engage anymore

[true jackal]

you literally insulted him, but ok

[frail citrus]

because its not worth either of our time

[steep flower]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I NEED TO GO NOW BYE

[frail citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-17038186950213244823

[sudden cedar]

[unreal nova]

Still better vet. They get the 'nade regen in like one keystone along other things. Vet is taxed like 4-5 nodes for equiv. And we don't even have a dog to start with.

[tall torrent]

Back to this
Focus target is x104% damage taken on the marked enemy
Redirect fire is a +% damage bonus

These 2 damage bonuses are multiplicative

So if you have no other damage bonuses whatsoever it’d be approximately +53.27% damage

[frail citrus]

so its better than what i thought it was

so why are you mad

[tall torrent]

I’m not???

[frail citrus]

LOL

[tall torrent]

If I was why’d I bother explaining

[frail citrus]

because a lot of darktide players have this weird ego where its their way or the high way and anything else is just wrong

and i know what you are

[steep flower]

ARBITES CAN USE CRUSHER

OH MAN

[sudden cedar]

[steep flower]

[tall torrent]

Since when was redirect fire 2 separate buffs

[frail citrus]

a long time ago, its not anymore

[tall torrent]

Huh

[true jackal]

I am pretty sure the crusher we use in game is one of theirs, it'd be stupid if they couldn't use it

[faint beacon]

Dog keystone

[true jackal]

same with the bolter

[unreal nova]

No knoife, sad. I guess we found out why Tacaxe getting buffed.

[faint beacon]

And self keystone

[frail citrus]

you are not listeniong to me at all dude

just listen

for 1 moment

[faint beacon]

Lone wolf literally is “Vet rework” levels of just

What the fuck

[unreal nova]

It's just, you play vet but not taxed to all heck.

[pseudo fiber]

This gonna be so good whenit comes out hahaha

[frail citrus]

back when the class rework first came out, if you had 2 vets on your team who BOTH had redirect fire, they would not combine and both vets would have to maintain their maximum stacks independently of one another

[unreal nova]

1 point vs 5 points that doesn't even factor more taxes.

[frail citrus]

the buff still applied to the whole team, but you would get 2 separate redirect fire buffs on the bottom of your screen when both vets had it active

[unreal nova]

You literally cannot tell me this isn't paymore2win when compared to vet.

[frail citrus]

it was really fucking annoying and made me hate using Focus Target because some people just wouldnt know you have to try to target separate enemies otherwise only 1 vet would be able to use their keystone modifier

now they are combined and we can work as a team to get the buff

jolly cooperation!

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Does the Arbites get the Knife or the Duelling Sword?

[tall torrent]

I kinda don’t remember that being the case but I thank you for your explanation

[pseudo fiber]

nope

[sudden cedar]

Very good.

[steep flower]

NOPE; PUNY WEAPONS

[frail citrus]

its not easy to notice if you're not constantly paying attention to your buffs, but i swear i remember seeing two different stacks of redirect fire waaay back when and it just pissed me off knowing i was getting cheated because my dumb ass teammates

[tall torrent]

I already saw
They have 0.5s stam regen delay btw

[steep flower]

WHY THERE IS NO CHAINAXE!?

WHY!?

[tall torrent]

Most likely that the game bugged out calculating stack overrides tbh

Buff UI tracking is unfortunately not accurate

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[frail citrus]

i know sometimes they wont even show up, it'll just be a little space between the buffs

[unreal nova]

Pay for better vet.

Just.

[sudden cedar]

Vigilant Autogun. Yes.

[frail citrus]

its especially annoying when i play SG cuz i never know when my stacks are gone

[tall torrent]

Idk about “better vet”

[faint beacon]

Catch my ass maining this for a bit till Vet rework

[unreal nova]

Unless they push a trimmed vet rework alongside...

[faint beacon]

I love stagger but it’s not great on classes aside from Ogryn

[frail citrus]

they actually nerfing plasma gun so

[faint beacon]

And you already know my opinion on Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Literally sounds like paying for better vet.

[tall torrent]

Actually uh

Nvm

[pseudo fiber]

No they aren't

That's been delayed

[frail citrus]

its a "rework"

[unreal nova]

In the future.

[tall torrent]

Arbites’ base stats are kinda cracked

[frail citrus]

i dont use plasma gun anyway

so it dont matter to me

[unreal nova]

So, pay2win lvls?

[faint beacon]

Now take into consideration I’m also playing Lone Wolf keystone

[unreal nova]

Is it closer to oggy with more toughness?

[faint beacon]

Cause I don’t see myself using mastiff often

[tall torrent]

200 health
100 toughness +50 easily from tree
0.5s stam regen delay

7.5% crit chance (same as psyker)

[faint beacon]

Not considering Curios btw

[tall torrent]

I’m ngl

[unreal nova]

Pay2win, it really starting to sound like even more.

[tall torrent]

I think this threatens zealot more than vet lol

[frail citrus]

wait 200 base health?

like from lvl 1?

[tall torrent]

They have almost flat out zealot’s base stats but better

[faint beacon]

It’s threatens Vets gimmick of frags with Lone

But that’s

Literally it

[tall torrent]

Nah

Impact grenade is cool

That’s about it

[faint beacon]

I’m using teslas with lone

[unreal nova]

Vet needs it for like smoke but nope.

[tall torrent]

That blitz idk

Seems kinda boring

I think I’d go with either K9C4 or impact nade

[faint beacon]

Weaker stun storm that lasts longer

Idk

[tall torrent]

Yea but it’s still ultimately just a stunstorm

[unreal nova]

Wait a sec... Isn't shock mines literally just that OP thing you can do with smoke in mortis if you roll...

[faint beacon]

Kinda

[pseudo fiber]

stunstorm with better pathing

it's nowhere near as big

[tall torrent]

And shock mine doesn’t stagger boss I think?

But impact nade does

[faint beacon]

It has a huge Tesla orb that any enemie walk by they get stunned

This includes elites

[faint beacon]

I’ll test day of

Tell you how it is

[unreal nova]

Literally the smoke with mortis indulgence.

[faint beacon]

Cause I know you’ll be out on Vacation

[tall torrent]

No

I leave on 4th

[faint beacon]

It doesn’t provide ranged immunity

[tall torrent]

I got a solid 10 days until I leave

[faint beacon]

Oh shit fr

[unreal nova]

Well yes, but you need to RNG everything in mortis for funni OP smoke.

[tall torrent]

Arbites maul and mk8 ex shotgun seem like Arbites’ best weapons from what I saw

Mk8 ex shotgun is literally the slug shotgun but better in most scenarios

[pseudo fiber]

the mk8 looks fucking awesome

[unreal forge]

LMAOOO they gave him a better weapons specialist

fucking based

[faint beacon]

This is just

A new flavor of WS

And I kinda fuck with it

Though do they have ways to get ammo back?

[grand perch]

so it really is vet 2.0

[unreal forge]

castigator's stance gives you i think 10% ammo from your reserve to your clip

whenever you kill an elite/specialist

[grand perch]

nuncio aquila is really focussed on suppression lmao

[unreal nova]

And people say WS on vet is good... Pay2win better vet still.

[unreal forge]

WS on vet is melee specialist more than a weapon specialist

trash!

(best keystone unfortunately)

[hollow ibex]

yeah ik. it's built around my playstyle

and it's a somewhat meme build anyway

[unreal nova]

I mean, what did you expect of a class ppl keep saying needs trimming and baked into to have more points to do anything... On top of buffs for 70% of the tree.

[unreal forge]

i think vet needs a rework more than anything

[unreal nova]

Also, REWORK LONGSHOT TO DO SOMETHING.

It's literally a broken node with how the game works and they even fixed Psyker's broken POTS already.

[grand perch]

this would be a cool subnode on marksmans focus

[unreal nova]

Like, tell me when will you NOT have anything within 30m of you.

[frank basin]

i wish

[unreal nova]

No, the start of the map doesn't count.

[sleek garden]

I still figure longshot works well with specifically infantry lasgun and helbore

because it's just a flat damage buff at that point

[hearty stratus]

what is the dump stat for power sword? cleave damage or target?

[unreal nova]

it literally does nothing till 30m away from ALL enemies.

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets

[sleek garden]

exy stance range is 50 meters

But I play weird and snipe a lot

[unreal nova]

Thing is, when will things be 30m away from you?

[sleek garden]

I can think of a hundred places where enemies will be 30-100 meters away

[unreal nova]

And remember, buff goes to 0 if anything decides to spawn behind you.

[grand perch]

its...not

[sleek garden]

roaming patrols, spawn doors, bridges

[unreal nova]

Even on the bridge maps, it still barely works.

Because things spawn behind.

[grand perch]

i think youre misremembering details karien

longshot isnt dependant if someone is close to you

[sleek garden]

there's actually a ton of places in Darktide that have a lot of open space

[grand perch]

doesnt make longshot less shit

[unreal nova]

But you still gotta kill the things that spawn behind or you just fold.

[sleek garden]

it's still just free damage on the way to exhilarating takedown

Infantry lasgun does more damage the further away

[grand perch]

THE WORST toughness regen of the 3 yes

chris you gotta stop using that shit, please

[sleek garden]

Why

It works fine

I shoot people in the head

[pseudo fiber]

As in regen it? No. And their weapons spec is reload speed no instead reload iirc

[sleek garden]

But I do wonder if exhilarating takedown works with tunnel vision

I don't know how to check

Buffs toughness replenishment with stacks of marksmans focus

[unreal nova]

Thing is, it's just too far to be viable in a close quarters type game.

Close or mid range focused.

[hollow birch]

Oi what builds are ppl using for 40 that aren't plasma gun dueling sword

haven't played in a minute

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6

Recon

[hollow birch]

Chainsword no longer viable or?

was using this prior

[unreal nova]

Chainsword is barely worth using when you have powersword.

Powersword can kill everything, chainsword only good for trash chaff mobs.

[hollow birch]

Helbore still one tap nearly everything or did it get nerfed

[unreal nova]

And even then, with how much bulk trash have on H40, just powersword.

[faint beacon]

It’s getting buffed

Unknown how good it’ll be now

But it’s a solid gun already

[tame lodge]

Still hits hard on Havoc
But the draw speed sucks

[hollow birch]

I saw that but it was pretty strong when I last played the game

[tame lodge]

Oh depends

Did you play Helbore when melee blessings applied to bayonet?

Because that interaction was removed

[hollow birch]

Dont think so, this was back when infinite ammo lasguns were a thing

[tame lodge]

And the bayos got a small attack speed nerf

Other than that

Not a lot of changes

It got some new blessings

[hollow birch]

Been wanting to try double barrel but it just doesn't seem that good

[tame lodge]

Flavor of the month now is Hotshot tier 1

[unreal nova]

Its still good on like malice or heresy. But the last time I ran it in aurics... It just barely did anything and felt like a, use only for cosplay stuff.

[tame lodge]

It's good on all difficulties

[hollow birch]

Helbore was awesome with the weapon attachments mod

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[unreal nova]

Double barrel is good though.

Is totally more of a WS melee vet kinda thing.

[hollow ibex]

it's very strong

just requires a specific build

not a general-purpose weapon

[midnight totem]

double barrel is good

if you use weapon specialist and play The Only Thing They Fear is You

[hidden tree]

is the plasma gun getting nerfed?

[trim steppe]

Its planned but not scheduled

[hollow ibex]

well it's prob going to be a rework

[true jackal]

ideally yeah

rebalanced towards using the charged shoot seems to be what they want to do

rather then a flat nerf, but it may still lose some power overall

I love when my tank killing giga cannon has to use it's spammy baby shots to be effective

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-stare-cat-shocked-stare-gif-1398922735574533156

[sharp epoch]

its kinda redundant both of vets unique ranged weapons are tank killing charged shots though

[true jackal]

I mean literal tanks not video game tanks

shlonking through mfs with a plasma charged shot vs snipping mfs heads off with a helbore should feel different enough that it's fine they have that similarity

[sharp epoch]

seems like theyre trying to make plasma similar to helbore like theyre making swap time longer and the charge is the main focus

[true jackal]

hopefully vet gets some new exclusive guns soon😔

[sharp epoch]

also making the uncharged almost useless

[unreal nova]

I think they need to put the idea in the oven longer at least for plasma.

[sharp epoch]

for now its "this year" we're getting new weapons

they said that like last december pretty sure when they released weapons for every other class

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s not

[unreal nova]

Bet you we get 1 new weapon when they get their new weapon for the year.

So we either get another IOU another weapon or lul, they get 2 and you get 1.

[tall torrent]

If u skip the damage template change that doesn’t make mathematical sense

Then the only real change for hipfire is that u don’t cleave as much and u now need maniac to 1hs flamers so u can’t body shot shotgunners

Hipfire is made more headshot dependent for killing priority targets

That’s about it

[sharp epoch]

the cleave with the maniac damage reduced is just gonna make specialist killing way harder

also with the swap time

[tall torrent]

No, still has >5 cleave which is much higher than most other ranged weapons

Swap time +0.125s is entirely offset by One Motion

[hasty grove]

I hope veteran gets… literally anything

Dried up and forgotton ass class

[sharp epoch]

after those changes hstubber ogryn without any ranged talents just outclasses any vet primary for specialist/elite deletion

[hasty grove]

I don’t appreciate how after launch Fatshark kinda just stopped caring about veteran

[azure stream]

tbh, i'd like if Exe Stance got the Arbitrator's damage reduction during the ability

I really enjoy Exe stance but it just needs something more

[hasty grove]

Every other class can do what Veteran does but better

[azure stream]

yeah

[hasty grove]

With three times less effort may I ad

Theyre never gonna fix vey, they can sure as hell continue to nerf out weapons though!

[unreal nova]

We didn't even get to keep the 'nade regen niche.

[tall torrent]

I honestly find arbites to be taking more of zealot's pie than veteran's

[hasty grove]

That’s not the issue

Its that every other class “takes from veteran’s pie” and left none for veteran

Veteran is basically a redundant class because Fatshark refuses to address the issues with it

And this problem will be even further exasperated by Arbite coming out

[unreal nova]

Name one thing vet can do that other classes can't.

[hasty grove]

Fatshark with Veteran about a month after launch:

[unreal nova]

Even Oggies get pesudo ammo regen with luck and back off.

[hasty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don’t-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-woody-andy-toystory-gif-11601810263057558835

[tall torrent]

u have a power sword

[hasty grove]

Ok?

The power sword doesn’t do anything functionally special

[unreal nova]

And? Zealots have Relic and Psykers have FGS.

[tall torrent]

relic is not as strong as power sword
and FGS is hard carried by warp slash, the weapon itself is not that impressive

[hasty grove]

The power sword is again, irrelevant

It does nothing special

It’s just a sword

And even if it did thats not enougj

[hollow ibex]

Vet and zealot reworks need to just fucking come asap

[unreal nova]

Thing is, is there's in the class tree that's unique now?

it used to be 'nade regen.

[hasty grove]

Everything veteran does is done better than every other class

[unreal nova]

Now Arbites stole from that share of the vet pie.

[hasty grove]

Vet is rotting in a ditch and Zealot is FARRR too easy

[tame lodge]

Zealot still needs a tree revamp

[hasty grove]

Agreed, but their issues arent nearly as bad as veterans

[tame lodge]

The Build™ is a symptom of the problems with the tree

[unreal nova]

Yes, but they still have god mode every 2 mins. Vet basically has nothing now.

[hasty grove]

Similar to how every veteran uses VoC because its the only half decent ability

And yet people cry for it to be nerfed

[unreal nova]

I mean, Arbites release is just how some possible vet reworks got lumped into a pay more class.

[tall torrent]

Cuz it does need nerfs

[hasty grove]

Loud incorrect buzzer

Its fine how it is

[tall torrent]

It’s kind of funny how many bad takes you’re capable of producing in a single day

[tame lodge]

Keep the gold toughness but nerf the stagger

[hasty grove]

Its kind of funny how much of a pretentious doucebag you are

[unreal nova]

Problem is, unless the other two ults get buffed, vet doesn't need more nerfs sitting as the worst class now.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-batman-alfred-quotes-gif-14054558

[pseudo fiber]

remove both

infact

remove exe stance too

[tacit sonnet]

I honestly think voc doesn't need nerfs, cdr is what needs nerfs

For all classes actually

[hollow ibex]

VOC is fine

[tall torrent]

I think a lot of vet talents need major buffs, but that doesn’t take away the fact that VoC can use some small nerfs without changing its core function

I’ve conveyed this to playtesters as well

[pseudo fiber]

I would not be shocked if tactical awareness gets switched to % cooldown not seconds anymore

[hasty grove]

Such as?

It’s perfectly fine as it is

[unreal nova]

Not till other things get some buffs.

[hollow ibex]

Anything is fair game with how much of a fucking joke the balance situation is

[hasty grove]

Zealot getting invincibility is cool but Veteran cant get a pushback & toughness boost

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher can use a whole rework
Killzone and CaB still need changes
And a lot more

[hasty grove]

No. VoC

[tall torrent]

As for VoC itself

[hollow ibex]

The vet tree needs to be Ogrynfied

[hasty grove]

Veteran tree needs to be fun

[tall torrent]

I honestly think just reducing the amount of toughness D&H gives is enough

[hasty grove]

Thats stupid

[tall torrent]

And a small CD nerf for D&H specifically

Tac awareness needs changes too

[unreal nova]

The worst thing is how minmaxed toughness vet has only 5 more toughness than psyker.

Such a joke.

[hasty grove]

And a comparable amount of health

[tall torrent]

Go calculate effective toughness after TDR

[unreal nova]

And?

[tall torrent]

And you’ll find they’re quite different

[hasty grove]

If Veteran wasn’t THE militarum class I wouldn’t play them

[unreal nova]

After that first hit, you are out of TDR.

[hasty grove]

The only reason I fw veteran is the lore

[unreal nova]

I literally play melee vet.

[hollow ibex]

fwiw i think vet's still very powerful, but you're required to use powersword

[tall torrent]

Playing melee vet and still thinking vet and psyker have the same toughness is kinda wild

[unreal nova]

That's not fun at all though.

[hearty panther]

i dont think i have ever had 200+ toughness on my psyker

and thats before effective toughness math which leaves veteran at 400+, actually

[unreal nova]

Dunno, someone minmaxxed toughness on both and lul'd about it awhile back.

[tall torrent]

Nah vet normally is like 250~260 effective toughness

U have to be trolling as psyker and taking every toughness node to come close to veteran’s

[hearty panther]

i have definitely seen psyker trees like that

also yeah thats one way to calculate iron will

[tall torrent]

Iron will is just x1.25 effective toughness

[hearty panther]

maybe i overthink it but, youre almost always playing within that last 25% with O4B/CK/CAB

plus another 50 flat on top if piss shout

[tall torrent]

Psyker (top)
Veteran (bottom)

Both are meme builds, excluding VoC

This doesn’t even include exhilarating takedown which is extra meme build

With exhilarating takedown veteran goes to ~1649

In normal builds veteran still has a lot more than psyker

[unreal nova]

Some of those are conditionals though. Like how Iron will won't save you after the first hit you take.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[unreal nova]

One backstab is enough to go from Iron Will to no iron will.

[sharp epoch]

I mean yeah iron will is gone after one hit in melee for h40

its really only useful with golden toughness or shooters

[tame lodge]

And enough to go from alive psyker to dead psyker

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[tall torrent]

doesn't change the fact that it's still way above psyker's

[unreal nova]

Vet be the same in H40.

No shout, BOOM.

[tame lodge]

It's almost as if that's normal for little ones at havoc

[unreal nova]

Stares at Zealot.

[tame lodge]

Zealot with TDR

Which is also better than siker

[hasty grove]

I like this armor

I wish it was green tho

[tame lodge]

Simply Endure your faith, while being stalwart

And having good balance

[hasty grove]

Trying to be positive

[tame lodge]

Just be positive

Duh

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-21385229

[hasty grove]

You see this is a discord server

[void dragon]

me malding over how Veteran needs a rework on its perk tree to be fun
also me making a fleshed character of my rejects and having my veteran as my favourite one

why i do this to me?

[hasty grove]

So the only way to have a conversation is to be a angry and polarizing

[void dragon]

it is? oh sheep, all this time I have been doing it wrong

[hasty grove]

Im unhappy with Veteran’s current state but I’m a huge guard fangirl (esp Cadians) so I put up with the poorly balanced class just to be play as a guardswoman

[slow spade]

I just want a grenade launcher and explosives keystone :c

[unreal nova]

EXPLOSIONS!

[void dragon]

honestly, can we agree that the most fun part of veteran is being the grenadier class? i want more bombs and a grenade launcher as a skill

[slow spade]

god the fact they added a fucking weakspot keystone and made it dogshit for precision weapons

[void dragon]

i want to feel like Mr Torgue

[slow spade]

and not a demolition keystone that focuses on explosives :c

[void dragon]

the thing is that Vet USED to be the "gun class" but as the game evolves, that isnt a good niche

so veteran now needs something that set it appart

[slow spade]

the only class with grenade regen -> no focus on explosives

[unreal nova]

Arbites now though.

[void dragon]

grenadier soldier/commander officer and/guerrilla scout sounds like good archetypes for the class

[slow spade]

Focus Target at least buffs frags

[unreal nova]

They stole vet's final unique thing.

[slow spade]

so there's that :p

[void dragon]

but its as a trade of dogo, not worth

vet is saved only because dog is cool

[unreal nova]

Still.

[void dragon]

i know, but we need full rework for it, and Zealot had it first (lucky bastards)

[unreal nova]

The fact they didn't even buff vet a little more before throwing out Arbites is like to say, buy our new class and you'll have more fun from being better.

[void dragon]

even when ill get Arbites because I like tanks, will still use my skaven rat veteran grenadier

but it was indeed a dirty trick

P2Vet

[unreal nova]

A classic.

[void dragon]

Has the ObeseFish been questioned what is his plan for Veteran now that we have the image of how its replacement will play? do they said anything or were questioned by the playtesters?

[slow spade]

Vet is now the bot class only

all vets will be forcibly converted into Arbites

[void dragon]

and what if they didnt paid? does it means their characters go to jail?

[slow spade]

there's 3 other classes and 5 character slots

[void dragon]

dont change the subject, do they arrest your old veteran if you dont pay?!

[slow spade]

the fate of any unnamed guardsmen in a Warhammer story 😔

they even attached a Commissar into our squad :c

[sonic kayak]

To me playing DoW IG, this is funny

At this moment right now too

[slow spade]

"If you will not serve on the frontlines, then you will serve on the firing line" - Commissar Dukane

[sonic kayak]

On charges of cowardice, you are sentenced to DEATH!

[void dragon]

Pay2Live

[slow spade]

the fate of all "live-service" games

brb making queueing for auric a paid service

[void dragon]

true, but i was expecting it to be more about keeping the ole ones from base and adding other classes like a felinid assasin one or a mechanicus builder, not executing old classes

[slow spade]

oh I was joking about the execute thing lol

Vet will probably get a rework after Zealot

poor Zealots have to take like 5 operative nodes to get a good build