veteran-class

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/pim-scream-gif-11745587167248793422

I LOVE SPRINTING AND WEAPONS THAT DONT HAVE THAT CLUNKINESS OF STUTTERING MOVEMENT

[orchid hemlock]

Me with BM mk4:

[grand perch]

forget that

SKIRMISHER

[red robin]

True

[orchid hemlock]

Arbites? What's that?

[red robin]

Skirmisher haters will hate regardless

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[red robin]

Today imma sprint n get hit for it

[tame lodge]

Finally found a way for skirmisher

[red robin]

Huge or nothing burger for slug shotgun?

[unreal nova]

Is like carrying me, right?

[steep flower]

No its like eating hot stuff; i like it from time to time

[unreal nova]

I see you hate carrying me, I get it though.

[steep flower]

Bruh

[unreal nova]

Wat?

[gilded wraith]

I think it can out okay for the Agripinaa. Helbore was the big winner.

I'd still like to see the firing column increased slightly for the slug special ammo. It's finicky about headshots. Duckbill special ammo is a mess. Overall I'm frustrated that their skipping over the special ammo in the pass. It seems like they're taking the path of least effort.

Please overlook the 5 typos, migraine.

[uncut pebble]

Huge.

But not for vet. Mainly for zealout.

[thick kestrel]

will still feel nice on Vet in fairness

[uncut pebble]

No more ads requirement for your shotgun to actually kill things with the slug round.

[thick kestrel]

it goes bang better and doens't always need ADS for the better critical preformance. the cleave improvement will make it easier to chunk through adds for more important targets as well.

not explictly great for vet in particular but it's going to just feel nicer in general

admittedly not one for the maths but it'll be interesting to see what, if any, breakpoints are affected as well

[midnight totem]

I just want a little more oomph to vet other then being mostly a shout and ammo aura

[clever hedge]

Recommend trying auto gun vet with an axe

Gives gameplay a real run/gun feel that pack a good kick

[midnight totem]

I hate axes

[true jackal]

(just making sure) you are putting Brutal momentum on them yes?

[midnight totem]

[sonic kayak]

Very tsundere of him

[true jackal]

oh

I think we gotta kill you then

[sonic kayak]

With an axe

Which is what he wants

Don't fall for it

[clever hedge]

Chainsword? Rev go brrrrrrr

[midnight totem]

I do like the chainsword

[clever hedge]

Play zeolet get a thunderhammer

[midnight totem]

I play all the classes

I do just wish vet had a lil more going for them in melee/stamina then they do

That's all

[clever hedge]

Vet=shoot things

[loud belfry]

most normal veteran post

[midnight totem]

This vet prefers the "fix bayonets and charge" part

[sonic kayak]

Not very veterinarian of you

[midnight totem]

If I wanted to be a veterinarian I'd be an Arbites

[grand perch]

all hope is lost

[midnight totem]

You had hope in 40k?

Btw, do we know if we're getting an additional character slot with the update?

[clever hedge]

No word on that one

Anyone's guess really

Suspicion is no since that would be one for each class

But it is premium so maybe it is auto

[midnight totem]

I hope so

Lots of people, me included, already use the 5th slot

I have a 2nd vet

(Who does use an axe, okay?)

[sly orchid]

we are

kitefin said that the slots are being increased for arbites

[midnight totem]

Nice, ty

[grand perch]

theres a mod to get 8 char slots

and up to 25 loadout slots per char

[narrow frost]

nearly infinite loadouts

since you can change the config file

[grand perch]

i have it set to over 30 but it stops at 25 in game

[final zealot]

Can you?

[narrow frost]

yes

[narrow frost]

@quiet valley

he does

and has like 40 vet loudouts

[final zealot]

Ik there was a mod, but is it as simple as literally just goimg in to the config?

Thats funny

[narrow frost]

iirc

yes

[grand perch]

yes it is, the mods config

[final zealot]

Ahhh, thought yall meant the base game config file

[loud belfry]

who knows what happens to them all when the game updates tho

[grand perch]

nothing

the file with the loadouts is stored separately

[loud belfry]

[ruby cargo]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/poll-on-discussed-changes-to-ds-and-plasma-gun/109048/3

[true jackal]

what a stupid poll, those aren't the final changes

[gilded wraith]

Hard to tell with the leak. I don't think anyone outside of Fatshark would know if they were final or not. I don't necessarily expect Fatshark to be candid about it at this point.

[gilded wraith]

See my last sentence 😁

[true jackal]

yes, they aren't gonna show off the final changes, but the "represent potential changes and are not ready for release" says they definitely aren't final, they may represent the direction, but nothing else concrete enough to start making a poll about the numbers

[gilded wraith]

Did the Chinese version Fatshark posted have that "evaluation" wording at the end?

I honestly don't remember.

Safe bet it will shift a little bit at this point regardless.

[topaz lance]

The final changes to DS and plasma will be buffs actually

[dry cloak]

earlier i have seen someone posting darktide has mixed reviews

its about the plasma and ds being nerfed aint it

[faint beacon]

Review bombing from possible Plasma and DS nerfs

[true parcel]

just why

[dry cloak]

people are fucking stupid

[faint beacon]

Literally took the words out of my mouth

They’re not even nerfs

They’re reworks

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

Gotta love Gamers tm

[dry cloak]

rework that very much may be a general nerf

with emphasis on may

[true parcel]

well that none know

[dry cloak]

fatshark knows

[faint beacon]

Name one person that unironically used Plasma M2

[dry cloak]

i did

[faint beacon]

Over M1 spamming

[true parcel]

ive mostly stuck to the pistol so xD

[dry cloak]

laspitol? bolt pistol?

[winter sluice]

I like the revolver. Rev veteran with a speed loading build is very fun

That and a smoke nade meme build

[neon current]

I mean

I don't think smoke is a meme at this point

it's a ghetto bubble

[winter sluice]

No I mean like I take all the grenade talents to spam smokes

It's very fun

Effective probably not. But fun

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t say that

I’d say it’s like a side grade bubble

Cause smokes don’t drop from damage

[hybrid island]

It's bubble saver

You drop one next to it so that random gunner does not shred the shield in 10 seconds

[faint beacon]

Reaper and gunners can shred that thing in like 5 seconds if they all focus it

Smokes? It’s confirmed 15-30 seconds of no ranged

[hollow ibex]

The main thing is that psyker doesn't have to give up its constant AOE infinite cleave to use bubble

Vet does to use smoke

[faint beacon]

I mean we have plasma

That’s borderline infinite cleave

But it’s not AOE

[hybrid island]

You don't gotta keep everything you want in Havoc

[faint beacon]

You can use anything in havoc

You just have to learn positioning and triggers

As well as the modifiers

[hybrid island]

You can focus on doing a few really good but better leave rest to others

[hollow ibex]

Not so infinite in havoc, not AOE and also not constant

[severe jolt]

if you think it's too hard
just lower the difficulty
simple as

[neon current]

but my momma said I'm awesome

I am entitled to play the hardest difficulty

[faint beacon]

Literally

Havoc isn’t meant for everyone

This isn’t even a “I’m better cause I cleared H40”

It’s just a fundamental of how the game mode is

It’s brutally difficult cause it’s meant for the 5% who’ve dumped stupid time into the game

[neon current]

the sad part is, clearing H40 takes no mechanical skills

if you abuse all the crutches

making em think they actually good at the game

[dry cloak]

yup

[neon current]

I've seen so many H40 not even aware of dodgeslide existing

[faint beacon]

Literally

[neon current]

the amount of H40 that jumps instead dodge indicating we know what

is astonishing

[faint beacon]

I’m clearing H40 with Vigilants and Taxe it feels a lot more rewarding

[dry cloak]

vigis

[grand perch]

hes a true vigilante

[dry cloak]

really nice guns when you get hang of them

and yet most people say that they are worthless

also tell me

i read that right DB goes from 60 backup to 90 backup ammo?

[orchid hemlock]

Me who uses the power sword and Rashad: 🤷🏻‍♂️

[severe jolt]

I got carried through H40 and I don't even use the title&insignia because I feel like I didn't actually earn them.

[faint beacon]

So called worthless gains carrying their own weight when used correctly

Lmao

[void dragon]

The Taxe enjoyers: in glee
The virgin DS simps: in shambles

[dry cloak]

fair enough spirit

[faint beacon]

Taxe always wins

[dry cloak]

taxes wins irs vicotry

[open ravine]

Who are you to say how rewarding a way a player clears a challenge with certain weapons is

[dry cloak]

he is galeophobia

[open ravine]

Also why are people who don't use plasma so salty about it and want it nerfed

[midnight totem]

Gale speaks for Gale

[faint beacon]

Because I’ve dumped enough time into the game

I have the hours to back up what I’m saying that and I’m also a free spirit

I say as I please

[normal bay]

80-90 I think?

Fatshark patch notes are so clear

[void dragon]

I want it nerfed so I can actually use it without feeling that the weapon is carrying me (like what I feel the only time I used the DS)

[open ravine]

Feels like when zealot players wanted vet nerfed

[tame lodge]

100 cleave one shot machine

[dry cloak]

a lot of not so good players only survive on higher diccilties because of op abilities and weapons

[void dragon]

Learning the Plasma had so much cleave was crazy

[dry cloak]

those weapons beiing plasma and DS onv et

[open ravine]

Plasma only one shots on Crit and weak spot

And even then it's not constant

[dry cloak]

cleave

[tame lodge]

So
Exactly how you should play vet

Aiming for weakspots

[dry cloak]

its the single weapon that can cleave carapace without blessings

[tame lodge]

Lovely

[faint beacon]

You M1 spam and it shuts down everything in the game

The reason it’s nerf is good because they’re also encouraging M2 usage by buffing it further

Aka

[void dragon]

Shoot a crusher, see it stumble, repeat for free win engagement

[faint beacon]

How it was intended to be used

Not an M1 spam machine

[normal bay]

Or use bolt weapons and aim wherever

[midnight totem]

I dont see any m2 buffs in their evaluatory notes

I'll be happy if that was the case though

[void dragon]

Now we will have a higher mortality rate on vets for exploding themselves

The joy

[tame lodge]

Zarona shooting brick sized bullets

😭

[faint beacon]

Ammo change on M2 charge, Uny ADM to 1.5 to 1.75, Unarmored to 1 to 1.1

[dry cloak]

there are non right now. they are just telling that there will be changes

[faint beacon]

This is still in the works and is theoretical

[grand perch]

remember when bolter shot bullets smaller than revolver

[faint beacon]

So it could be changed

[midnight totem]

Gotcha

[void dragon]

Soon the Helbore also will have that, believe

[open ravine]

M2 is rubbish on plasma it uses too much ammo for the damage it delivers and is too slow when it gets hairy

[faint beacon]

Yes and why do you think people only M1 spam

[void dragon]

Has anyone actually tried to use M2 only on Plasma?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[dry cloak]

i did

[tame lodge]

It's ass

[dry cloak]

to do wallbangs

[midnight totem]

I still want power fist for vet

[true jackal]

I love when my tank destroying fucken giga blaster is just used to spam out regular shots

[tame lodge]

Too much waiting

[open ravine]

Because M2 is absolutely shit and should be buffed

[dry cloak]

so what will it be

[true jackal]

that's why the are reworking the weapon

[midnight totem]

I have. Still much faster to kill a crusher or reaper with m1

[true jackal]

not just nerfing it

[dry cloak]

basically assail cahnge that ners m1 and buffs m2

or bigger rework

that plasma need because its bland as fuck

[open ravine]

It uses 3 uncharged shots worth of ammo for just shy of of 2 uncharged shots worth of damage

[void dragon]

So M2 should be buffed even more to make it worth

That's an agreement so far, right?

[nimble hazel]

I'll second that

[true jackal]

in general pure nerfs that don't address the problems with the weapon are bad, but fatshark has stated they are trying to rework them, so I doubt it'll just be nerfs

[midnight totem]

Power fist power fist power fist

[open ravine]

They also need to give it carapace cleave again if uncharged will be nerfed so heavily because a one kill per charged shot against carapace is not worth it

[true jackal]

ie the dueling sword can horde clear ok and play with crushers like it's nothing, while something like the thunder hammer which is ment to be anti elite, has a lot of draw backs for being allowed to do what it does

[dry cloak]

general power will be decreased i think

[true jackal]

yeah, and that's fine because ideally it'll still push the weapons into a useful niche

[open ravine]

The leaked changes so far is Nerf uncharged into the fucking ground then give charged a very small buff against unarmored and unyielding

[true jackal]

the leaked changes mean nothing

[nimble hazel]

Aaand it's worth noting that those leaked changes aren't coming in the next patch, so they're very not set in stone

[void dragon]

Remember when ogryn charge was gonna ignore nets?

[serene bough]

i wouldnt say that

[faint beacon]

Because M1 did what M2 did already but even better hence they’re adjusting M1 to be more lower end but still powerful but M2 to be a cannon that deletes everything

[serene bough]

havoc just isnt balanced as well by design, its supposed to be more chaotic and bloated

[gilded wraith]

Doesn't it?

[void dragon]

Nope

[open ravine]

I know for a fact if those changes weren't leaked fatshark would have for sure implemented those changes as shown because they are notorious for Nerf hammering things

[faint beacon]

I don’t see the issue with the changes that might be happening

[serene bough]

hence why high cleave and survival abilities are taken more often than not

[true jackal]

what fact

[orchid hemlock]

"the changes are minimal"

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[gilded wraith]

Wait, I read that wrong.

[true jackal]

there is no fact

off the top of my head the only thing they really put in the dumps in this game has been the shredder pistol

[faint beacon]

They literally are it’s not gonna kill you to learn M2 managing

[true jackal]

people raged about the PS changes, (it's still one of vets best weapons)

[dry cloak]

also remember

[open ravine]

You don't use the weapon and don't know what it was like that is why

[faint beacon]

Besides you can’t tell me it doesn’t feel great charging M2 up and then blasting something off the face of the earth

[dry cloak]

using m2 can cause you to blow up

[nimble hazel]

Source: Doom and Gloom posting vibes

[faint beacon]

I do use Plasma

I don’t like it cause it’s not interactive

[open ravine]

I have used plasma since beta and the version we have today is by far the best version of the weapon

[serene bough]

yeah plasma really became such a terribly boring weapon

[void dragon]

That risk should be paired with a powerful reward

[true jackal]

I fucking hate how it plays right now on top of that

[gilded wraith]

It somehow manages to be both the best, and the most annoying.

[serene bough]

you used to have to manage HP and heat and alter between M1 and M2

then they literally just buffed over and over again to be a spammy M1 masher

[faint beacon]

That and it’s not interactive at all

Bolter has Oomph behind it when you use it, Plasma it’s genuinely white noise

[orchid hemlock]

Ah yes very small change

[void dragon]

Honestly don't mind it being annoying, it get sh!7 done
Would love another version that has the relic blade function tho

[serene bough]

true

[faint beacon]

That’s why I’m all for M2 being buffed cause like you actually feel like you’re firing a beam

[faint beacon]

That’s not that bad lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Nah it's """""minimal"""""" don't you get it 😈

[gilded wraith]

Same, my tendons hate mashing special every three swings.

[faint beacon]

4 targets getting dropped isn’t a death sentence dude

Holy doom and gloom

[orchid hemlock]

Gale are we on the same page?

[void dragon]

Def not

[serene bough]

im overall looking forward to balance changes

thats all i can say

[void dragon]

It's all we all can say, ObeseFish hasn't revealed their hand yet

[orchid hemlock]

I was referring to this:

[serene bough]

Ive been more or less happy with FS balance changes

but i dont like how the game is making balance desicions with havoc in mind tbh

[faint beacon]

If a weapon gets to a point it trivializes any match it’s in

[orchid hemlock]

This is very "minor" everyone

[faint beacon]

It’s needed to be nerfed

[orchid hemlock]

Trust trust trust

[faint beacon]

Also that’s an insane buff

Realizing this is the Evis

[orchid hemlock]

Noooooo it's not enough!!! 😡

[faint beacon]

PS Shred is going to be fucking

Insane

[tame lodge]

Bloodthirsty Pstrike

[orchid hemlock]

Stop talking

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[faint beacon]

No no

Let him cook

[tame lodge]

Rev light light

[tame lodge]

Repeat

[true jackal]

I am going to do unspeakable things with that combo, you don

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1096153257497337938/mematicMeme.gif

I have yearned for the critviserator since launch

[orchid hemlock]

It was always there

But now

It does damage

Tac Axe buffs also look insane

I'm finally going to destroy my wrist

[faint beacon]

PS Shred and Piety

Could do either sides

Either more Crit to shit out damage or Stalwart to be Ogryn but smaller

[orchid hemlock]

Hell I'm sure regular EVIS is gonna rip

[severe jolt]

if they remove the cleave limit on eviscerator it's gonna be the next DS

[true jackal]

I mean they are doing that

[orchid hemlock]

They confirmed it

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t say that but it’s def going to be fucking crazy

[orchid hemlock]

Unless they change their minds and make another change

All the cleave in the world still doesn't one shot elites so I doubt it

[tame lodge]

I mean

Vroom vroom

[faint beacon]

Respectable man’s Relic Blade

Lmao

[neon current]

havoc moment

rofl

[orchid hemlock]

Me cleaving thru all the bosses with my EVIS:

[faint beacon]

Twins + Champion + Boss + Hexbound

[tame lodge]

Who invented the cultist champion

[faint beacon]

Holy

[tame lodge]

He thinks he's on the team

[neon current]

and that's why we love havoc

even if you do everything right

[faint beacon]

Fentbob Methheadpants

[neon current]

sometimes you just get fucked in the ass

[faint beacon]

Literally proves the argument of its skill expression it’s not meant to be cleared by everyone

Cause sometimes H40 says

No I said you’re dying

[neon current]

yep

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I'd win

[neon current]

doing brainless dmg does not take much skill in DT

staying alive when shit hits the fan does

[midnight totem]

you know, I haven't played much with the autopistol lately

[serene bough]

Its good at swatting away maniacs

[midnight totem]

blaze away or the stagger power perk

[hollow ibex]

Always blaze

[neon current]

blaze away + inspiring

my dreg rager killer on my tickle hammer loadout zealot

[tame lodge]

Blaze Pinning

[hollow ibex]

I like Blaze calvacade for bosses

[neon current]

huh

shredder has almost 0 crit dmg

cavalcade does nothing

[faint beacon]

Tickle hammer

Lmao

[severe jolt]

autopistol has a flashlight
the only pistol that does
that's what makes it so good

[orchid hemlock]

Btw new enemy been leaked in the patch:

[serene bough]

Lovely

[orchid hemlock]

Even if you kill the dog, the trapper will just jump off do a slow motion flip then trap you

Even if you kill the trapper the dog will:

[midnight wyvern]

if you hit the dog with a rock mid jump so it hits escape velocity it only gives the trapper a speed boost to grab you

[hollow ibex]

Wdym?

[neon current]

is what I mean

it's +50% at best

[severe jolt]

prolly talkin about the shredder autopistol not the shredder grenades

[neon current]

25% crit is 50/4 at most

which is half of what pinnign gives

and that math is as rough as it gets, the difference is much bigger than that

cuz pinning instastacks, cavalcade not so much

[hollow ibex]

Isn't that a 60 percent bonus to damage on critting

[neon current]

it varies by armor type

bottom line is, pinning gives you more dmg on anything but monsters and crushers

that you shouldn't be shooting to begin with

[hollow ibex]

Looks like 60 percent for the majority of them

Which is pretty high?

[neon current]

nah

it's not

I don't usually bother going for crits unless its around +100%

[hollow ibex]

Recon is like 30 percent iirc

[void dragon]

Isn't the Vraks, which has similar ISH stats 150% on crits?

[neon current]

ye recon has low crit dmg

laspistol has high

but you go crit on recon for infernus

not the extra crit dmg

[grand perch]

shredder has average finesse modifier at 1.5

[hollow ibex]

I agree that pinning fire is the best second blessing generally

[grand perch]

oh DEAR GOD EMPEROR NO

[hollow ibex]

But calvacade is very nice for boss mag dumping

Which is what I mostly use SAP for tbh

[void dragon]

Is it? Shouldn't then the unarmoured damage around 170 on crit then?

[grand perch]

finesse modifier of 1.5 is +50% damage from base on crit

[hollow ibex]

But SAP gives 60 percent on crit right?

[sharp epoch]

im pretty sure it doesnt pierce carapace

[grand perch]

im not sure what SAP is referring to rn

oh shredder AP itself

[narrow frost]

shredder auto pistol

sap

[sonic kayak]

Significant Another Person, ez

[grand perch]

patch notes said it was finesse raised to 1.5, but judging by the damage table its closer to 1.6. which would be 60%

[midnight totem]

auric run with autopistol

eh, kinda fun

just a little handheld smg

[true jackal]

it's like almost there

[odd sparrow]

being able to sprint shoot is nice

[midnight totem]

yeah

Can't pick off gunners at range

[true jackal]

if it was more precise it'd be very nice

[midnight totem]

but I can dance with them at mid range

[true jackal]

but alot the guns in this game act like they are actually being fired from the hip when you aren't adsing

[midnight totem]

I suppose if I take the vet talent for suppression

it'd be pretty good just for keeping down gunners

even if I don't kill them

[grand perch]

use exec stance

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[topaz lance]

VoC users when asked to consider literally any other ability

[true jackal]

i'd be using VOC regardless of how good it is tbf

i fucks with being supportish

[grand perch]

exec stance is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

such as being able to melt armor with infantry lasguns

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-horse-horse-drunk-horse-long-face-gif-23615595

[faint beacon]

He’s gassing up the incredibly niche and situational build again

Zigh….

[grand perch]

listen we are both unhinged

unhinged people drag others down into the madness

[normal bay]

Situational? Like when there are enemies on the screen?

[grand perch]

its what we do

[true jackal]

I mean I am also waiting on the inf las hipfires to not go 1 mm to the right or left of the enemies heads when I aim directly at their face

[faint beacon]

Suppression my beloved

You will take determined

[true jackal]

not even suppression it just does that

[faint beacon]

You will be happy

[true jackal]

my halo reach DMR self using a semi auto weapon at close range wants to shine once more

[faint beacon]

You should use ummmm

Uhhhh

Vigilants

[true jackal]

yeah, I like fucken lasers tho

[faint beacon]

Specifically the Graia

[tall torrent]

Next patch helbore is better

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-shoulder-black-filter-suit-gif-26850006

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s a truth nuke

Helbore will be better

At the cost of being sluggish dodge wise

[true jackal]

I can work with that

[faint beacon]

Play MkIIIa

Right now

It’s fun

[grand perch]

@tall torrent basically abe lincoln, he can only speak the truth

[midnight totem]

alright

braced autopistol literally knocks down maulers, why

[faint beacon]

Hamdol is typing

[faint beacon]

Swarm of angry bees

[true jackal]

I mean if someone shot me with like 30 bullets i'd be on the ground too

[grand perch]

but only for like 5 seconds right

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t

Yeah

[true jackal]

I do walk around wearing heavy steel flak armor so longer then 5 seconds

that stuff is heavy

[neon current]

I saw in some YT vid that the wooden helbore skin has much better sights aye?

[faint beacon]

Yes

[neon current]

p2w

[faint beacon]

The Vostroyan and Krieg skins are P2W

[neon current]

krieg too?

[faint beacon]

They have better irons

It’s why

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoZID8VpUI
was it this one?

[neon current]

ye the wood one looked much improved

yea

that one

[grand perch]

those sights arent original wooden skin helbore though

[faint beacon]

Not havoc viable btw

[neon current]

oh are they not

[grand perch]

yeah shit build sry

[faint beacon]

Yeah IDIOT

not using plasma

Smh

[grand perch]

no extended weapon customisation mod has them as dev WIP I

[tame lodge]

Gimme a sec

[neon current]

meh

I don't wanna use that mod

[tame lodge]

This one?

[neon current]

is that the base wooden sight?

[faint beacon]

For vostroyan yes

[neon current]

still better than OG

[neon current]

so which one is krieg, all the rest has the same rail

only wooded differs out of those

[faint beacon]

Bottom left iirc

[neon current]

oh I see what you mean

the front sight is better

the rail is the same

[faint beacon]

It has that weird block there but like

It’s extremely minimal

But it’s sights are really nice

Bigger sight picture

Vs Vostroyans non existent but very open one

[neon current]

I mean, I like the block

makes it easier to find the sight in a chaos

old man eyes

[faint beacon]

MkIIIa imo is arguably the best cause

Shit honestly all you need is Surgical

Second blessing is literally up to preference on how you play

[neon current]

hold your horses, I'm not gonna start using em

they needed a cleave buff, not a handling one

[faint beacon]

Hotshot

It’s actually nice pairing with IIIa

[neon current]

roflno

[slow spade]

clearly they just need to revert the bayonet nerfs

the bayonet should be able to 1-tap ragers

[neon current]

going from 3 to 6?

or is it 9?

still nothing

[grand perch]

brutal momentum bayonet

[slow spade]

as the Emperor would have wanted 😔

[faint beacon]

Limbsplitter Bayo

[tall torrent]

Nah

Why does everyone think every ranged weapon should get super high cleave

[faint beacon]

Plasma

I blame plasma

[void dragon]

Plasma and it's 100 frigging cleave

[topaz lance]

I am excited for the taxe changes. I already like the weapon, but I think it will feel even better with them.

[grand perch]

how i sleep knowing taxe buffs are coming

[sharp epoch]

what if its new ds

[grand perch]

it isnt

and if it was, id become no 2 chainaxe enjoyer

...wait that basically translates to shit chainaxe enjoyer

[sharp epoch]

theyre making it more mobile so its got that factor, if adm is drcent against cara and unyielding it might be one of the best melees

[grand perch]

better cara adm was much needed but its not going to break that weapon, except for maybe in zealot hands

[true jackal]

the crackhead type weapons tend to be like that

[tall torrent]

0.5 vs carapace

For vertical heavy atks

[true jackal]

I can't imagine the tac axe being particularly broken cept for with BM doing it's thing, but that's a BM issue more then a tac axe one

[tall torrent]

Unyielding adm unchanged

Still not that good vs monsters

[tame lodge]

Also no mention of removed cap

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-robert-pattinson-suit-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-9336155743238770356

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s literally just BM being BM

[sharp epoch]

Meta is gonna shift to either combat knife or tac axe after the ds nerf its always the high mobillity options people choose

[tall torrent]

Nah just power sword

Knife for psyker maybe

[tame lodge]

I personally think DS still going to be up there

[tall torrent]

DS will still be a top tier pick

[sharp epoch]

Nah they tend to gut weapons when nerfing so they dont have to deal with it again

[tame lodge]

Looking forward to the parry

[tall torrent]

Yea but that’s not what they did lol

[sharp epoch]

they haven't done anything yet

[tall torrent]

Did u read the CN version of patch notes

[hollow ibex]

Tbf who knows what they're actually going to do

[sharp epoch]

which is not confirmed/the final version according to the CM

[tall torrent]

5 days out

Doubt it’ll change that much

And if smth is to be changed it’s probably for plasma

[hollow ibex]

They might just shelve the plans for the winter patch

[tame lodge]

That 100 to 10 cleave is crazy work

[sharp epoch]

its weird plasma is getting singled out when the other classes have just as broken ranged/melee options and vet is kinda just locked to plasma for h40s

[tame lodge]

Who tf pitched that

[tall torrent]

So, about that part

[true jackal]

as far as I am aware they aren't shipping any DS or plasma changes this upcoming patch either way

[tall torrent]

Most people don’t know this

But plasma only has 1 attack template

There’re a bunch of other attack templates in plasma’s file but they’re for the unreleased other plasma variants

Both hipfire and charged shot use the same attack template, they just have different % charge levels

Hipfire charge level is 52.5%

So it’s really more like

5.25 cleave for hipfire

When they say they nerfed the cleave to 10

[tame lodge]

Shit even worse

[hollow ibex]

Fucked up but honestly I assume it's just because they're reviewing some human weapons atm

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

Oof

[tall torrent]

which I'm ok with

[neon current]

very visible swapping crosshair to helbore one

[tame lodge]

Single target plasma

[elder fiber]

I just hope they didn't post upcoming rumbler nerfs to avoid ogryn review bombing

[tame lodge]

Why not a second mark for it

[elder fiber]

b/c I want that fucking thing gone more than anything else rn

[tall torrent]

5.25 means u can cleave through 1 shotgunner and gunner

good enough

[hollow ibex]

Not in havoc though

[sharp epoch]

the problem of ogryn being op is more the talent tree, like infinite toughness regen on top of its insane dr just makes you invincible in melee

[tame lodge]

4 walkers

[hollow ibex]

Tbf the rumbler issue is very much a talent tree problem

[elder fiber]

Ogryn has a lot of problems but the one that's constantly fucking exploding in my face in every single match is the one I'd like to see gone first

[neon current]

the problem with ogryn is that all his weapons are overtuned

[elder fiber]

cstrike etc

[tall torrent]

why

elites don't get more mass in havoc

[neon current]

I'd be able to do just the same with old ogryn tree in current havoc

[sharp epoch]

I'd say rumbler isnt even his strongest gun, its the heavy stubber. literally zero talents needed still hits those h40 breakpoints like one shots on gunners

[hollow ibex]

Oh OK nvm then lol

[tall torrent]

(really wants that 10%Rdmg talent)

[hollow ibex]

I still don't think plasma deserves to get nerfed

[elder fiber]

Its not about being stronger, its about being in more of my games than ds or plasma or w/e now and being fucking obnoxious and ugly to play with

[tall torrent]

and no, ur not 1 tapping gunners with heavy stubber without a super specific setup

[sharp epoch]

even without that I still get those one shots with surgical

[tall torrent]

What’s ur setup

If it doesn’t include deadly accurate then it’s wrong

[sharp epoch]

specific setup is just surgical and uhh not deadly accurate the other one thats it

[tame lodge]

Opening Salvo?

[sharp epoch]

yup

[tall torrent]

opening salvo changes nothing for achlys heavy stubber breakpoints

wasted pick

[sharp epoch]

one shots gunners every crit

[tall torrent]

only deadly accurate changes anything

[sharp epoch]

I mean if I can hit those one tap breakpoints I don't need deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

yea that's the thing

it can't

u can do the math urself

[sharp epoch]

imma just boot up a h40

[tall torrent]

gunner health 2100 unarmored / 1800 flak

u can't 1hs both flamers and both gunners at the same time with opening salvo

optimal is unarmored + flak/maniac, surgical + DA
if u run 10%Rdmg, u can skip maniac and run flak, otherwise maniac or u can't crit 1hs flamer

without maniac/10%Rdmg it's like 2065 vs maniac on crit headshot

just barely not enough

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[tame lodge]

Vigilants Cousin

😭

[hollow ibex]

Sorry but nobody beats bistol at missing breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Maybe the current shotguns

[nimble hazel]

They said "miss" not "laugh at the concept of"

[sharp epoch]

yup I'm one shotting scab gunners in the head

[nimble hazel]

(I do not use shotguns)

[tall torrent]

Like I said, u can’t achieve all 3 breakpoints with opening salvo at once

[grand perch]

wdym we can achieve sweet oneshots left and right

[midnight wyvern]

been a second but BM?

[true jackal]

brutal momentum, the blessing

[midnight wyvern]

[sharp epoch]

ok it one shot dreg gunners too

[tall torrent]

Check flamer now

[sharp epoch]

i checked it puts it at one hp but I'm not putting maniac or whatever to push it over the breakpoint just two bodyshots is fine

[orchid hemlock]

Hey @tall torrent I have something important to tell you

[tall torrent]

Wat

[red robin]

So like, with the claw changes, is skullcrusher better on it now?

[sharp epoch]

but yeah enough to one tap gunners on h40 without talents is busted

plasma you gotta do like acrobatics on the talent tree to get to the point to one tap gunners

[heavy rover]

I watched another vet play havoc 31 with weight of fire on a helbore mk V. It was quite the site and now I've been inspired to pick up the helbore more often

Just in time for the update too

[quiet valley]

@tall torrent Do you have any idea what causes this? IAG instant reload

[pseudo fiber]

That thing is so weird!

I never understood why it happens

[viral trench]

trying to make an infantry lasgun build (I know, I know, but I like the flashlight), think it’s worth dropping longshot for rending strikes?

[tall torrent]

When reloading, sprint cancel (tap sprint + forward, then let go of forward) at the last moment of returning charging handle to normal position. It's generally difficult to pull off in live games, but it can drastically speed up the next reload if done right.

https://youtu.be/X7H5eFQFZZ0

[quiet valley]

Longshot is trash

[quiet valley]

Thanks for the info, it kept happening randomly I just didnt know the how to replicate it

[tame lodge]

Well yes

Never longshot

[pseudo fiber]

It's called Longshit for a reason lmfao

[tame lodge]

Tldr poor scaling

[viral trench]

ahh gotcha, thanks

Which lasgun mk?

Currently using 7

[heavy rover]

I don't use rending strikes for my infantry las build

I recommend going for as many straight up damage nodes if you can

As much as it's a meme, Deadshot is pretty good when you combine it with target down

[tame lodge]

2b or 7

[unreal forge]

there's probably better things to get than rending strikes

usually weapons have brittleness perks and such, 10% rending is nothing

[faint beacon]

Yeah when you get a hang of it, it’s pretty fucking insane on IAGs

[grand perch]

Kind of a weird sentiment. Especially since ilas doesn't have brittleness or rending

[hollow ibex]

Yeah and I'd say most weapons don't get access to rending blessings or brittleness lol

Or said blessings aren't good options

[grand perch]

Rending helps with the reverse damage falloff on ilas which is nice

[unreal forge]

the 10% rending isn't going to make it any better at doing the jobs it can't do

[hollow ibex]

It's still giving you a damage boost

Which is what other offensive nodes do as well

It's just a question whether the number is worth it

It often is

But depends on the weapon ofc

[viral trench]

how up to date is the pinned doc? The reason I was taking rending is because it was recommended for lasgun there

[lucid ginkgo]

And what weapon worth it? Fast shooting?

[tame lodge]

95% up to date

Like few things about vet changed

[tame lodge]

Well yes, but not exclusively

[hollow ibex]

Low armor damage multiplier

Which means most weapons benefit

Bolter, plasma, crit revolver are prob the main weapons that don't care about rending

Maybe psword too?

[tame lodge]

And shovel iirc

Maybe because shovel has uncanny or something

Idk

[lucid ginkgo]

But...doesn't it make sense to boost something that already works well?

Im just curious, I occupy a niche with mk1 agri and point and clickin for usual mobs

[hollow ibex]

You want high ADMs

Rending increases adms

And some weapons that have notably low ADMs against certain enemy types also really benefit from rending

[hollow ibex]

Yeah shovel has... other issues

[tame lodge]

We can save that for another day

Oooh after the buffs to dclaw and shit

[void dragon]

Me with me shovel krieg: still want me shovel, in spite of it's flaws

[unreal forge]

will the buffs be releasing alongside Arbites?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-like-gif-8011336597935493657

[void dragon]

It's a likely place for them to release that changes

[pseudo fiber]

yea

[slow spade]

"Iron Will and Duty & Honor removed because Vets don't deserve good things"

[tame lodge]

"Nerfed Kraks because "

[void dragon]

Nah more like "we are removing the class because Arbites does what the class does but better plus dog"

[brittle turtle]

Fatshark when vets people remember they said vet would get new guns

[pseudo fiber]

Shredders are however underperforming so we're buffing those

[topaz lance]

nerf smoke grenades, buff VoC

[void dragon]

Smokes now arm in a business day and the radius is reduced

[brittle turtle]

"VoC now breaks the eardrums of nearby enemies, permanently crippling them"

[void dragon]

The Mortis one deal permanent bleeding

So dont give them ideas

[tame lodge]

Speaking of Mortis

Looking forwards to the grenades apply all stimms

[hollow ibex]

How many stacks though 🤔

I never did find out

[void dragon]

Yeah, is hard to figure in the middle of all

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I meant to check

But I'm too lazy to play trials now

[tall torrent]

around 6~8 months out of date
but a lot of things still apply

[unreal forge]

I wish they'd rework this class before nerfing the plasma gun ngl

[brittle turtle]

I mean, there are no dates confirmed anyway

just that they are looking at them

the shown changes are not final

[unreal forge]

they ought to look into why veteran is the weakest instead

[brittle turtle]

I'm pretty sure they know why

[unreal forge]

three qualities to this class: plasma gun, voice of command, ammo regeneration

and one's getting nerfed

[sharp epoch]

well theyre nerfing both weapons of the meta loadout

for h40s

they should probably take a look at the more OP loadouts like inferno or rumbler or the clubs

[unreal forge]

the other classes have very good options and build variety but veteran hardly gets much choice

[brittle turtle]

And, to be fair, both were fair game for nerfs

aside from the flame staff, plasma is the overwhelming best gun in the game, with rumbler as third

[unreal forge]

would they nerf VoC before looking into exestance and camo?

[brittle turtle]

I don't think they'll touch VoC for a while

What we can hope for is a stance and infiltrate rework, alongside keystones reworks

[unreal forge]

Exestance relies on ammo and there's very very little ammo to go around in Havoc, so you have a deadweight ability most of the time because you'll just run out if you use it often. Infiltrate is invisiblity, what's there to say. Such bad designs

If Survivalist was unnerfed for the Veteran, or if the class didn't suffer from the -60% ammo penalty same as everyone else, there would be a lot more leeway

instead Vet is just plasma ammo piss and has zero depth to his gameplay

quite upsetting to think about

[hollow ibex]

It's definitely weird that they singled out plasma to be nerfed at the same time as DS

When really the DS of ranged weapons is rumbler

[tall torrent]

no

flame weapons

[unreal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[brittle turtle]

the DS is a special case, because its the same weapon psyker always had access to

but its only when zealot and vet got it than we realized that, paired with their skills, its broken stupid

[unreal forge]

the peril on parry sounds good, good for keeping peril up

[brittle turtle]

so, do you either nerf their perks because of one weapon, or nerf the weapon for all

[tall torrent]

it's broken for all

hence nerf for all

[brittle turtle]

its good on psyker but nowhere as broken

[unreal forge]

it definitely is

psyker can get very massive damage amps

[fleet vale]

The weapons of the veterans are all very bad. Either the speed of drawing the gun is too slow, or the speed of reloading is too slow. The fatshark weakens the plasma while not enhancing the other aspects. It's just terrible

[hollow ibex]

Flamer or inferno?

[tall torrent]

both

[brittle turtle]

Vets dont even need to reload weapons if they run weapons specialist, which is partly why plasma is so good, cause it having an insanely long reload time doesnt matter with weapons specialist

[narrow frost]

skill issue?

even the 'weakest" can be used to beat havoc 40

[hollow ibex]

Eh inferno kinda but flamer but really in aurics and AM

[brittle turtle]

When one of your biggest drawback can be completely ignored, its not a good thing. Its also why the heat mechanic barely matters for plasma, because you arent charging your shots anyway, so really, its free crits and damage at high heat

[quartz girder]

nah its broken on psyker too

[fleet vale]

I tried not using plasma, but it turned out to be very difficult. Even five rounds of the revolver couldn't kill the Reaper, and it was also very slow to kill the expert with the bolt gun

[brittle turtle]

Veteran has multiple good alternatives for havoc 40

[tall torrent]

revolver is bad for havoc

use recon

[brittle turtle]

Bolter and lasgun are both good.

[tall torrent]

brainrot gameplay

recon is way easier than plasma

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[hollow field]

Bolter, my beloved

[brittle turtle]

They buffed the bolter several times in a row and people are still ignoring it over Plasma

[narrow frost]

you ready path

[hollow field]

Something viscerally satisfying about just being able to casually delete a chunk of a horde at a whim

[narrow frost]

for the wave of people complaining about plasma and ds?

"havoc isnt doable now"

[hollow field]

Gamers complaining about something? News at 11

[narrow frost]

yup

it always boils down to skill issue

[hollow field]

The smart players will adapt, as they always do

[quartz girder]

they didnt even get the nerf through and they're complaining so much

[true jackal]

if I can't do it that means it's impossible

[hollow field]

Even my boosted ass could find alternative options, probably

[fleet vale]

It takes a lot of time to pull out the bolt gun and reload it. Similarly, it is very difficult to use if you don't select a few related talents

[tacit sonnet]

what talents do you need to use bolt gun?

It just works

[brittle turtle]

I mean, you're veteran. If you arent picking up gun related perks, what the fuck are you doing

[tall torrent]

btw I did the maths
the plasma changes mentioned in the CN steam patch notes has 1 part that makes no sense

[quartz girder]

the dmg change?

[tall torrent]

yea, essentially

current plasma template 700~1400
additional parameter modifier as x1.25 for min, x0.875 for max
so the actual dmg parameter it scales from is 875~1225
in which case, 80% dmg roll gives 1155

the "leaked" change says changed to 800~1000, with no mention of parameter modifier being changed
therefore the new dmg parameter would be 1000~875
where the min value is bigger than the max value

[brittle turtle]

I think the damage nerf is a bit big for regular shot

[tall torrent]

makes no mathematical sense

[hollow ibex]

Lol wtf

[tacit sonnet]

probably because it's still wip and not even half ready for release yet

People are already complaining

[hollow ibex]

Maybe that's one of the reasons they're holding off

[tacit sonnet]

The specificly said that these nerfs/reworks are coming in the future

[tall torrent]

yea

[quartz girder]

thats odd lol

[tall torrent]

I don't think DS and plasma changes are coming in 1.8

[tacit sonnet]

imo they should just shadow drop these nerfs in a patch

[tall torrent]

granted, I personally agree with every other plasma change

except the dmg template change

[tacit sonnet]

These idiots don't deserve the blog posts describing all the changes

[brittle turtle]

Lets be honest, they are coming later so arbites dlc doesnt get review bombed

[tall torrent]

who knows lol

[quartz girder]

idk how they didnt expect a ds nerf people have been calling it busted since day 1 of unlocked and loaded

[brittle turtle]

Personally, I thought flame staff would have been a bigger priority

[tacit sonnet]

Still think purg shouldn't have gotten access to blaze away

Nerf it so it applies to direct damage only

[brittle turtle]

still holding off from using it cause it just takes fun away

I use brittle and crit instead

[tacit sonnet]

It will gut blaze away making it useless without remove it from the weapon which is impossible

[tall torrent]

I passed this along to a playtester

[hollow ibex]

Yeah vet stuff in general should be last in line to get nerfs lol

[hollow ibex]

Also let them know PS shouldn't be deactivating when you're hit while swinging 🙏

[brittle turtle]

The fact that burn stacks get damage boosted from blessings is still insane to me. Old ogryns with 32 burn stacks could get so many buffs to thse stacks by shooting the boss

[tacit sonnet]

I think it's fine that they get damage boosted by various buffs

Or they could nerf blaze away specifically for purgatus

[brittle turtle]

I don't. DOT should be fixed damage

[tall torrent]

I told them that like

the week that patch 1.7 went live

[hollow ibex]

Rip hope they remembered lol

[faint beacon]

How it feels discussing the possibilities of the upcoming nerfs/reworks

I’m all for the M2 glow up

[brittle turtle]

I think the dual swords changes are awesome

parry on it? Yes please

[faint beacon]

Honestly same

[tacit sonnet]

Most smart people think that

They are obviously nerfs

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s basically DC but knife

[tall torrent]

not nerfed enough

[tacit sonnet]

But it doesn't look like they are gutting it

Still looks more than usable, very strong even

[tall torrent]

change duelling sword's block template to use crusher's

[tacit sonnet]

Which just confirms how fucking op ds are currently

Even after nerfs they still look very strong

[faint beacon]

Helby might have a huge glow up

Unsure

I gotta test on the day the update drops see how drastic it is

[brittle turtle]

The most insane thing about the dual sword changes is that they are not touching its mobility

[faint beacon]

But it’s making it go from certain taste to playable

[true jackal]

they want to keep it mobile

[tacit sonnet]

Just halve the blaze away values. From 5-8% to 1-4%. The same way like they nerfed uncanny in leaked patch notes

[brittle turtle]

second best mobility after knife in the game, and its kept that way

Yeah, people are still gonna use it for havoc

dont worry, it aint dead

[faint beacon]

Nerfed uncanny if it’s on everything

Like uncanny in general

Might make the game a lot more difficult but ACTUALLY fun to play

[brittle turtle]

its fine, dual sword has lots of good perks

[tall torrent]

uncanny nerf is not hard enough

[faint beacon]

120% to 60% is def something

[true jackal]

I think honestly the flame weapons need like a functional rework if they ever really want to get them balanced, infinite cleave weapons in a game about killing lots of things are generally very good fundamentally

[faint beacon]

But I would like it to be more

[tall torrent]

means next to nothing

[faint beacon]

Make carapace a threat obviously

[brittle turtle]

They arent gonna remove infinite cleave from flame and explosions

I genuinely dont think they can even alter that

[tacit sonnet]

They absolutely can

[true jackal]

I can think of ways, just don't know how doable they are on a technicaly level

[tacit sonnet]

They just wont

[tall torrent]

flame and explosions do not have cleave

[faint beacon]

40-20% imo would be fine

Somewhere in that range

[tall torrent]

20% at most

[true jackal]

I know they don't cleave, but you know what I mean

[tall torrent]

40% still super strong

[faint beacon]

Talents exist

[tall torrent]

can but will make them play really weird

[brittle turtle]

Explosions, in particular. It wouldnt make sense if it didnt hit everything in its radius

[tacit sonnet]

Hence why they wont

[faint beacon]

They’ll have to hit the weapon itself somehow

[brittle turtle]

The only notable change they could do is make it so bulwark shields actually stop flames

[faint beacon]

Personally I think they have the ability to make it not have inf cleave

They’re just putting it on the back burner for now

For some- odd reason

[true jackal]

it's fatshark

[supple mortar]

It could be Ubi

[faint beacon]

I’m all for Bulwark shields not having a counter if they could fucking rework bulwarks in general

Make the shield smaller or something

Just some sort of way to be able to open them up or hit them without praying you can hit one when they attempt to swing at you

[tall torrent]

not worth

[faint beacon]

In a pack of 4-8

[tall torrent]

better solution is to reduce attack rate

[faint beacon]

Probably

Increase the reload length drastically on rumbler

Cause we have to consider BLO and Glugger

[hollow ibex]

I think the first fix is just massively nerfing the interaction between BLO and Rumbler

[hollow ibex]

This would hurt people using it without cheese spam builds

[tacit sonnet]

and make it unusable without point-blank

And point blank build will keep shooting 4 grenades with no reload for free

[brittle turtle]

wont do shit when you consider rumbler gets insane when it doesnt need to reload

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s why I’m like Rumbler is more than just this

[brittle turtle]

Rumbler is the same it has been for a long time. The issue is that now, you have a consistent and easy way to double/triple shot into crowds with it

Honestly, they should remove the node for guarranted proc after kills

[tacit sonnet]

This node doesn't feel that bad

It's like a single shot every 9 melee swings

[brittle turtle]

This node is what allows rumbler to do the insane stuff it does

turns out, its quite easy to get a few stacks

[tacit sonnet]

Even without this node rumber will still do the same insane stuff

[brittle turtle]

just kill like 4-5 mobs in a few sings, and now you have a very good chance to get a double shot

[slow spade]

they should buff Rumbler more, remove the Survivalist cooldown for Rumbler UwU

[tacit sonnet]

I use this node once and then just keep shooting

I still destroy everything because point blank

I say it need a slight carapace adm nerf and a bigger one for unyielding

Make it at least not destroy absolutely everything including bosses

[brittle turtle]

remove the brittleness on explosion from the blessing, and actually do whats written on it, which is only on direct hits

also, remove the damage boost from the sticky nade blessing

[tacit sonnet]

Right, this

[brittle turtle]

+15% damage boost on ogryns and bosses, just for picking up the blessing, is stupid

[tacit sonnet]

Well, I am picking the blessing

Not just

It's not absolutely free

[sharp epoch]

ogryn gets a talent that straight up gives 25% damage to unyielding and 25% damage resistance so its just ogryn balancing

[brittle turtle]

and all those little things stack

[tacit sonnet]

It's 30% and it's just ogryns

Not unyielding

[brittle turtle]

thats why ogryn can literally laugh its ass off when it takes a hit, while other classes get brought to borderline no thoughness

damage reduction/thoughness damage reduction, alongside Ogryn passives, turn him into a tank. Same goes for little multipliers al around

the fact that rumbler ALWAYS one shot reapers is insane

doesnt even need to be a direct hit, just 1-2 meters radius on reaper is a guarranted kill

[serene condor]

Hey chuckle nuts question about the power sword. What roles would I want for add clear

[brittle turtle]

roles ?

[pseudo fiber]

I'm guessing rolls?

[serene condor]

perks and blessing

[pseudo fiber]

dump cleave targets

bromentum + power cycler

[sharp epoch]

with some of the gunlugger talents, without its like 99% of its hp though

[brittle turtle]

yeah, pretty much

[sharp epoch]

well on h40

regular it will oneshot

[brittle turtle]

Nah, it one shots on havoc 40 too

maybe because of sticky nade

but it definitely is a one shot

[serene condor]

Thank you gents

[pseudo fiber]

elite maniac

sorry forgot taht bit

[brittle turtle]

i'd go elite/ carapace or unyelding, imo

easier to get one hit combo on crushers

[serene condor]

^^ ty ty

[mild hill]

so plasma changes how are we feeling

[brittle turtle]

Nothing cause its not there yet nor are confirmed

[mild hill]

they’re definitely coming i hope you know that

[brittle turtle]

For sure, but we dont know in what details

hence why doing anything except speculation isnt worth it

[pseudo fiber]

Fine so far tbh it was a long time coming

I'm curious what changes between live and those early ones

[tacit sonnet]

They make no sense and need more work, they are obv wip

But I see their idea and it's good

[pseudo fiber]

I mean they make sense there's just some I don't think will make it through

Like

[brittle turtle]

THE SHIELDMAN

[tall torrent]

this can prob make it through

[pseudo fiber]

the cleave getting nuked makes sense but I can still see it going through bulwarks on lights so it has a fun "niche"

[tall torrent]

the only one that doesn't make sense is the dmg template change

[pseudo fiber]

I agree with you there

the other changes seem like more than enough

[faint beacon]

Chinese to English translations will never cease to be funny

[spark canopy]

tearing my hair out over this stupid ass fucking penance

"Be Methodical"

and also be incredibly selfish by telling your teammates to not engage elites or specialists

"Be Methodical"

and also be incredibly lucky that your 5s timer doesn't break a 5s timer just for the fun of it

i have a slur with Fatshark's fat shark fucking body written all over it

[arctic rampart]

Plasma probably wont get nerfed till they give vets the next weapon

[spark canopy]

melta gun

[neat stratus]

Why is it that everyone has to rely on me, but I can't even expect anyone else to so much as let me grab ammo when I need it

[brittle turtle]

be selfish

no, really

[spark canopy]

exactly

especially if you have a rumblergryn

[brittle turtle]

if they dont care about you, then just grab ammo you see if you need it

[spark canopy]

give no rumblergryn the time of day nor the satisfaction of ammo

no but seriously

i fucking hate the Be Methodical penance