veteran-class

[crude star]

i'll be going full dog soon anyway

[void dragon]

Helbore is also getting buffed

[crude star]

yeah am happy

[midnight wyvern]

Hell, give a DLC branch added to vet that has the sniper as an ability lol

I'd pay for that

[warped tartan]

rapid fire sniper rifle?

swear ive seen that thing do 5 shots in 5 seconds before

[crude star]

wonder if the arbites only shotgun will actually be good or not

[void dragon]

No, give Exe stance new status as keystone and give Vet new skill that let it pull a Rambo but with a grenade launcher

[midnight wyvern]

Nah big charge up funny doof

[crude star]

how will exe stance work as a keystone?

[midnight wyvern]

According to play testers it's very good

They did it dirty in the gameplay reveal

[crude star]

I see

[void dragon]

Wonder how many will be dog haters using the no dog perk

[crude star]

boo

[warped tartan]

it was an odd gameplay reveal as well, must have been a custom level

[midnight wyvern]

Me

[warped tartan]

cause it had DH but it was def not malice dificulty

[crude star]

dog is the purpose

[gilded wraith]

Doh... forgot that my shovel uses uncanny.

[midnight wyvern]

Unless the dog has a meme build where it's nuts

[void dragon]

*pulls bolt pistol

[midnight wyvern]

I'll stick with my jewellery store foot knight

[warped tartan]

i wonder if it'll have a build tree branch around the dog

[crude star]

remote detonation dog will be fun, i can just tell.

[void dragon]

I'm sure you can juice dogo to be super strong, also explode

[warped tartan]

like a missile animal like the necromunda FPS

[midnight wyvern]

Kinky

I believe they said it was about timing and knowing where it was and such?

Sounds good

[warped tartan]

which i wouldnt be suprised they might have nicked the idea of the dog from lol

[midnight wyvern]

I'll def give it a go but I feel like I'm going to end up landing on the FK role

[void dragon]

Ok, time to hit the bed, gnight lads

[midnight wyvern]

They're also saying the dog can like, mount or climb on monstrosities and that's when you'd want to detonate it

[midnight wyvern]

[void dragon]

Have dreams of nerfed Dueling swords

[midnight wyvern]

And of buffed bolters

Right guys

[crude star]

do you think they'll show the full tree before release

[midnight wyvern]

They might do it with games lantern again?

I think they worked with them for ogryn rework

[grand perch]

not buffed bolters
DEPLOYABLE HEAVY BOLTER

[midnight wyvern]

Twin strapped arm cannons for ogryn

[grand perch]

4th vet tree should be sapper explosive expert, 5th just turns you into a 2 man weapons team

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-weapons-team-imperial-guard-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-gif-15592890

[midnight wyvern]

I just want more unique stuff lol

Also when hotshot guns for vet

[gilded wraith]

It's on the helbore (joking).

The new weapon that was promised months ago would be nice though.

[midnight wyvern]

Which was that?

[gilded wraith]

Hotshot blessing

When each class got a new weapon with exception of veteran.

[topaz lance]

Good changes in the balance preview.
I'm missing:
Vigilant autogun buff.
Shredder pistol ammo increase.
Didn't they say that they did not fix the root cause of the wonky bolter/bolt pistol behavior and wanted to do this "in the future"? Guess they just forgot about that.

[austere mica]

Shredder ammo is fine if you aren’t vomiting it on everything you see

[topaz lance]

How else would I use the shredder pistol? It's too much fun!

[austere mica]

Walking fast

Suppression

Liquifying specifically Dreg ragers

(And most specials + reapers but we’ll ignore that)

[pseudo fiber]

Holy moly those plasma netfs

[topaz lance]

People are already crying about the potential changes to DS and plasma gun 😄

[austere mica]

I am cheering and applauding

[manic badger]

Gutting pen on plasma light shots completely, while also not adjusting ammo cost of charged shots. Looks like plasmas permanently off the menu for havocs.

[grand perch]

Are we discussing unconfirmed, leaked and probably just for testing purposes changes again?

[grand perch]

I can't hear you over my shredder mmf build

[austere mica]

You absolutely can that thing is pretty quiet

[serene bough]

Yeah plasma and DS changes are overdue

Next up, golden toughness

[topaz lance]

They need to be careful, people will absolutely review-bomb the game if they roll out too many nerfs at once. Even if the nerfs are totally warranted.

[serene bough]

Regardless of reviews they need to be tuned better

I remember when plasma used to damage hp

[pseudo fiber]

Throw plasma M1 shots into the sun

[nimble hazel]

In its current state, it'll just cleave through the sun and hit some fuck-ass rock on the other side.

[cunning sandal]

The Helldivers 2 playerbase has taught a horrible lesson to the gaming industry:
You can bully game studios when they decide they want their challenging game to be challenging.

[pseudo fiber]

Just gotta call those people piss babies

[grand perch]

Unpleasable fan bases are the worst

[cunning sandal]

You get those everywhere tbh.
The loud side always jumps into screaming as SOON as nerfs happen because they want to play a power fantasy instead of an actual game.

Tbh!
The only playerbase I've seen take nerfs well off the top of my head is the Payday 2 playerbase.

[serene bough]

I dont recall how well people took nerfs in this game

There have been far more buffs than nerfs

[cunning sandal]

Remember when they nerfed Power Sword and Flamer after the first couple months of Darktide's launch?

Immediate review bomb.

Immediate flood of Reddit posts.

[serene bough]

Don't remember that actually

[pseudo fiber]

And the payday 3 players (all like 5 of them) are sadly piss babies

Remember when they suggested nerfing ammo funnel

[serene bough]

I recall the nerfs being generally accepted if not loved

But I may just not remember well

[warm pecan]

Tekken players would love some nerfs (they will still complain)

[grand perch]

How did Reddit post their bs, when they can hardly even read

[cunning sandal]

Real.

[pseudo fiber]

There was a comment under those Chinese patch notes on reddit accusing FS of hiding it from us because the Chinese are more reasonable

[grand perch]

People jump to the wildest conclusions when the most reasonable explanation is they had a simple internal communication issue

Happens all the time in software smithys

[pseudo fiber]

But fatshark burned my crops :(

[nimble hazel]

No1 Tac Axe enjoyer is actually a Fatshark shill trying to spread misinformation about the development process so we won't be appropriately mad at Fatshark

You heard it here first

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-seen-gif-4737871222038365591

[stoic thorn]

Helldivers 2

[topaz lance]

That game is just not that much fun honestly. Much too janky. Dunno why it got so popular when Darktides gameplay feels 10 times tighter.

[stoic thorn]

Because uhh

Better advertising ig

[mild oxide]

Alternatively a plasma pistol would make a lot of sense to not have such massive cleave and punch through... nudge nudge wink wink hint hint

[nimble hazel]

Buff the shit out of plasma, but give it lore accurate reloads

It'll be fine I promise

[iron marten]

give a plasma that rolls a 1 everytime and let me throw it

[fleet drift]

I heard lean fish is about to nerf Plasma gun and Fueling Sword?

[steep flower]

Yuh

But in the future

[fleet drift]

What will happened to plasma gun?

Or no announcement yet?

[steep flower]

I think they will make the second firing mode more enticing to use… and maybe make you overheat when you spam primary fire (fking finally)

[fleet drift]

I stop playing Darktide for a few months due to carpal tunnel syndrome

[steep flower]

Yikes

[pseudo fiber]

Theres some leaked changes from the Chinese announcement but they might be old or inaccurate

However they are there

[fleet drift]

Take a few months to rehabilitate

Won’t go back to use knife or dueling sword though

[steep flower]

Never trust the peaceful country

[pseudo fiber]

Blah blah blah subject to change

[muted elk]

all the people who are calling for plasma nerfs remember the next time you rage at your useless teammates U made them worse by calling for nerfs

[fleet drift]

Or I need to relearn the whole game using controller

Just give us Pulse Rifle already

Or hellgun/longlas

[muted elk]

It always pisses me off seeing them cry for nerfs, why not just buff the dogshit weapons

[fleet drift]

How the f am I supposed to clear Clown car Crusher conga line quickly without Plasma gun

[muted elk]

Its the only gun exactly

[topaz lance]

Why not make it so when you press a button, you win the game?

[muted elk]

Why not make ur teammates even more useless

why not ruin other people's fun in a pve game tencent

lmao

[topaz lance]

Stop relying on crutches, go lower difficulty if you're srtuggling
Balance is important in a PvE game. It's not supposed to be cookie clicker, there needs to be challenge.

[muted elk]

lmao are u a bot

[fleet drift]

Please I need scope on my hellbore…

[atomic void]

Power creep

[topaz lance]

Are you?

[muted elk]

Please go back to reddit

[topaz lance]

Do you want every weapon to be OP eventually?

[fleet drift]

Yes

Make everything FUN to use

[topaz lance]

fantastic argument, you really got me there

[atomic void]

Dark tide classes and most weapons are already strong af

[topaz lance]

fun isn't OP

[atomic void]

Few nerfs won't hurt

[topaz lance]

IF you think that, just play sedition

[topaz lance]

No you see, you should go back to reddit with that kind of opinion

[fleet drift]

I will just go play something else really if the game is not fun.

[atomic void]

The blog post that included nerf news had like 10 buffs btw

[pseudo fiber]

Why not do both

[atomic void]

Why do you assume balancing broken shit is not fun lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Why not nerf weapons that are too strong and buff ones that are underperforming

Like they're... doing... right... now?

[topaz lance]

that's too complex of a concept for some people to grasp I think

[atomic void]

Oh no, now I can't deal with every threat with 0 effort
1/10 game

[topaz lance]

If they ever touch yellow toughness, people are gonna flip 😄

[muted elk]

lmao 😂

[muted elk]

Because it isnt op

If uv ever been in a havoc 40 ull know its a Great Weapon but it isnt OP or a win button

[atomic void]

Wdym lmao
U actually think the classes aren't strong or what?

[muted elk]

yh

[atomic void]

Based on what metric

And before u say havoc, game isn't balanced around the bullshit diff mode lmao

[topaz lance]

balancing around havoc
bad idea

[atomic void]

Havoc was made specifically to counter the classes being strong as shit

[muted elk]

The metric of everyone using the same weapons Lol

balancing around malice is a worse idea

[atomic void]

How does that go against what I'm saying tho

The classs are strong as shit

[fleet drift]

Personally I don’t mind if Plasma is still good in its intended role but I still don’t know how are they gonna make charge shot better or straight of nerf single shot? Maybe make the ammo economy worse for single shot?

[topaz lance]

Yeah, because they're overtuned. That's what they're addressing. Are you being willfully obtuse?
Vanilla damnation is what the center of balance should be around.

[muted elk]

Its a good weapon it isnt overtuned

U will never understand

[topaz lance]

I guess not, well enjoy the coming nerfs

[muted elk]

hopefully they keep nerfing so u can enjoy your dead game

lmao

[atomic void]

They're literally buffing like 10 weapon classes

While nerfing two notoriously op ones

Lmfao

[pseudo fiber]

Surely this is bait by now there aren't clown awards on discord

[pseudo fiber]

They gotta go for purg and rumbler next

[atomic void]

Ogryn rework literally lets u win while spamming left click

But yeah they love nerfs

So true Habibi

[fleet drift]

Isn’t lean fish kinda bad at balancing Ogryn?

[atomic void]

Have you played new ogryn at all? He's comically strong now

[fleet drift]

No

[atomic void]

You should he's pretty fun

[muted elk]

lmao

[fleet drift]

As I said before got carpal tunnel syndrome from playing Darktide

[muted elk]

u guys acting like the game is balanced

even w the Op weapons its still unbalanced

in favour of the Game

[atomic void]

No??? We're saying it is infact unbalanced and needs tweaks

[muted elk]

the weapons arent the area needing tweaks

[atomic void]

Again, havoc is not balanced by design lmao

[muted elk]

A lot of normies think they arent normies.. lukewarm opinion

[atomic void]

???

[fleet drift]

Nowadays my favorite weapon for vet in infantry man Lasgun though due to how good their ammo economy is and having a functioning scope make life a lot easier

[atomic void]

What is bro waffling on about genuinely

[muted elk]

Im always fascinated by people who call for nerfs its like they cant grasp the concept of having fun with Fake weapons on a videogame

[topaz lance]

You must be a bored teen or trolling or both. I don't even know what you're trying to say.

[muted elk]

genuinely must be autism or some shit

They should release Two plasma guns one nerfed one normal and let you guys choose

[topaz lance]

I think teen is correct.

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-usagi-cockroach-gif-5998373961064243412

[fleet drift]

Havoc is not a content for everyone so I don’t mind if the mode is not that balance

[muted elk]

Who would choose a weaker plas? just nerf it by not using the op blessongs lmao

[atomic void]

I'm always fascinated by people who think nerf = bad and having fun = left click gameplay
Must be autism or some shit

[muted elk]

Havoc is for having fun

[muted elk]

the whole fucking game is left click its a shooter

you dumb as hell boy

[steep flower]

Unfortunate; cope, adapt or die

[atomic void]

Except it's not a shooter

[muted elk]

U mean keep playing or darktide will die

hahaha

[atomic void]

It's a shooter melee hybrid and weapons that let u kill 1 billion things with 0 effort are not healthy

[muted elk]

hd2 had a good community

a shame darktide community id ass and the deve r cool

[atomic void]

Sounds like u can't play without crutches my boy

[loud belfry]

how rude

[fleet drift]

HD2 have it own fair share of problem but I think Darktide have an Elitist problem

[steep flower]

This

[fleet drift]

HD2 community is especially quite whiney

[willow tendon]

A part of something being fun is overcoming a challenge. If it's not challenging at all, depending on the genre, it will become boring almost instantly

[atomic void]

Also reminder that you're seething over a translation off a draft not meant to be finalized

While totally ignoring all the other buffs

[steep flower]

Plasma is by no means OP in havoc 40 and below; for a person who is like that now you should know better

[fleet drift]

Any highlight on the buff for Vet?

[iron marten]

the official blog that released only has weapon buffs

with a footnote for ds and plasma being "rebalanced"

[steep flower]

Hes ragebating

[steep flower]

Real shit

[atomic void]

The buffs are for shared weapons and stuff like evis or hellbore

I recommend checking out the blogpost

[steep flower]

I love your takes Cyber; i approve

[iron marten]

buffs across the board for helbore

Also tac axes are getting buffed, so now's a good time to learn :P

[fleet drift]

Still no scope or even iron sight

Shotgun buff might be fun though

[willow tendon]

Valid complaint but solvable with mods

[fleet drift]

I don’t use mod though

[solar surge]

The real question is, are the combat shotgun fixes and buffs worth it, or did they not listen enough and the guns are still shit?

I get that came out wrong. What I mean is, will these fixes make the guns worth it again based on the data provided? Everyone says, compared to double barrel, combat shotguns are not worth the hassle.

[fleet drift]

It’s likely to be a share weapon with Arbite so I think it will get a lot more buff if it’s still shit

[tall torrent]

shotgun buffs
all have +2 -> +4 stamina (+2)
all have 1.75/s -> 1/s sprint cost (-0.75/s)
all have ~10% faster reload speed
60% mobility stat, sprint bonus +0.09m/s -> +0.594m/s

zarona VI
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 76 -> 90 (+14)
80% damage stat, damage +20%
cleave = 3 (old values: hipfire = 1.3, ADS = 0.001)

agripinaa VII
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 91 -> 100 (+9)
80% damage stat, damage +20.76%
hipfire now has the same finesse curve as ADS (around +108.3%)
cleave = 2.5 (old values: hipfire = 1.3, ADS = 0.001)

accatran IX
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 61 -> 79 (+18)
80% damage stat, damage +8.5%
cleave = 3.5 (old value: 3)
max-dmg range 7 -> 8.5 (+1.5m)
min-dmg range 14 -> 14.5 (+0.5m)

[solar surge]

Yeah but is all that good enough to make it on par with the double barrel?

I'm not exactly an expert with numbers.

[pseudo fiber]

Why does the fire shotgun only get an 8% increase thsts like the worst one

[tall torrent]

agripinaa maybe
but not in the same role obv

[tall torrent]

ik

not the only questionable choice in patch notes

but most stuff are pretty good

[solar surge]

Makes sense, and good thing the Agripinaa is all I use anyways.

[pseudo fiber]

The agripinaa is grest

[tall torrent]

fire shotgun small dmg buff
plasma dmg profile change
duelling sword getting special action changed to parry
etc

[solar surge]

The fire shotgun was kind of a let down. The thing I don't understand is why they didn't add initial damage to the fire shot, since it essentially does nothing and then lights them on fire which I guess is good for horde clearing, but the gun alone is still too shit "function wise" to be useful against anything else.

Could go on a rant again about it's wider spread, lack of potential damage due to certain functions, but who knows if they'll ever properly fix that.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean maybe the damage changes aren't going through? Idk maybe they are

I think the parry thing is 100% real

And it's gonna be really interesting

[solar surge]

I guess is it going to be like a riposte like the catachan blade, or something else?

A simple parry mechanic seems like a nerf if it doesn't have some kind of follow up.

though I guess that's the point.

[pseudo fiber]

Parry into poke idk

[solar surge]

Though I guess being able to parry and not suffer any stamina is a good option compared to blocking.

[tall torrent]

I'm assuming the changes listed today to be final for june 23rd patch

[pseudo fiber]

Depends they may have pulled the ds and plasma things

They're not happy with them or they wanna avoid the review bomb

[tall torrent]

the plasma changes they listed were all solid
except for the dmg profile change

[solar surge]

damage for plasma has always felt underwhelming especially when compared to something like the boltgun. Though idk if I'm the only one who feels that way.

[tall torrent]

aim for head

lol

[steep flower]

Parry?! Thats very fitting

[fleet drift]

Might be a tactical move to avoid review bomb at the release of their first DLC class

[tall torrent]

yea DC swords in the gutter

no flak adm buff

[fleet drift]

Those thing will hurt sells number

[steep flower]

Nah cause its a general update not the DLC itself

[fleet drift]

You generally don’t want negative press during a launch of new product

[tall torrent]

I am 100% not happy with that listed plasma dmg profile change, but every other plasma change made sense to me

since ik how its breakpoints work

[steep flower]

Also about DCs; i’ve read that some things from DC will affect also Hswords; whats your take on that? Cause i dunno personally

[tall torrent]

idk

if it were to affect heavy swords they'd prob have written it

[grand perch]

Didn't they?

[steep flower]

There are

In the DC section

[tall torrent]

where

[steep flower]

Detailed Changes - Catachan “Devil’s Claw” Swords
Damage profiles

Light Vanguard
1st target damage from {40, 80} to {60, 100}
Dev Note: The change will also affect the Turtolsky Heavy Swords Special followup Light attacks

Light Strikedown / Light Strikedown Stab
1st target adm vs Maniac from 1 to 1.25
1st target damage from {100, 200} to {115, 230}
2nd target damage from {25,60} to {40,80}
Dev Note: The changes will also affect the Turtolsky Heavy Swords Pushfollow attacks and the Maccabian Mk V Duelling Sword Light 3 attack.

[tall torrent]

oh this

won't matter much

[steep flower]

Well… i guess i can say… a buff is a buff… Gotta stay positive

[muted elk]

Lmao dumbass I barely use plas

[solar surge]

so they plan on making the plasma gun revolve more around the secondary? I feel like that's not how the gun was intended to be used in any case, lore or otherwise. You would only overcharge when you have too, and if they some how force you to overcharge and make the basic attack useless, the guns dead.

[muted elk]

Yeah a bunch of elitist who want ro make tbe game worse for everyone

[muted elk]

still gonna be shit
wow another nothingburger

[solar surge]

Idk, it was very vague on the devlog, so idk what they are planning for the plasma gun, but hinting at the secondary seems odd.

[fleet drift]

Nerfing every viable gun into the ground isn’t a winning strategy for HD2 though

[tall torrent]

sorry to tell u this but the helbore buffs are actually pretty big

[solar surge]

if they want people to use the secondary they need to make it do more damage for it's heat trade off. the secondary has always been bad. If I'm not 1-2 tapping things in the head with overcharge, it's better to just spam basic attack.

[muted elk]

It wont have good cleave tho

Still will feel boring to use

[tall torrent]

why does ranged weapon need big cleave to be good

[steep flower]

Not really odd; ppl used primary cause it does not overheat you and it has already good breakpoints; secondary was basically too risky/not worth extra dmg type of an attack

[grand perch]

plasma pilled

[solar surge]

yeah but nerfing the basic attack to force secondary seems like a bad call since it seems like that's what their hinting.

[steep flower]

Lmao plasma is generally considered boring cause what it can do wdym its time to stop the cap my friend

[iron marten]

adm and finesse buff not good? lol. My glass cannon build will enjoy these changes

[steep flower]

We’ll see but i would not be surprised; its fatfish

[solar surge]

Yes, fat fish. They no longer get the right to be called a shark anymore

[steep flower]

I mean… a shark is a fish but not all fishies are sharks

[solar surge]

Might as well switch to the pufferfish with all this damn bloat they are trying to push on us.

[iron marten]

I remember installing vt2 when it became free and was genuinely surprised by how big it was

[tall torrent]

It's not "that vague"

hipfire maniac ADM reduction now forces u to run maniac perk to 1hs flamers, so new perk setup would be unarmored + maniac
this means no more 1 bodyshot shotgunners and overall worse performance vs flak

hipfire also gets massively reduced cleave down to normal levels (good), as well as massively reduced unyielding and carapace ADM

charged shot gets reduced ammo cost and massively increased unyielding ADM (should be able to 1hs reaper)
so there's a reason to charge ur shots against bigger targets
and hipfire is more headshot dependent than before (also good)

the only weird part is changing dmg template from 700~1400 to 800~1000 which might fuck with other breakpoints

[iron marten]

so yeah, bloated game lol

[tall torrent]

and plasma only has 1 attack template (both hipfire and charged shot use the same template, they just have diff % charge levels)

so reducing that dmg template hurts both attacks

bit weird

[iron marten]

oh perfect, the numbers cat, what perks should I slap on taxe7

[tall torrent]

idk

[iron marten]

lmao fair

[tall torrent]

prob smth like

[iron marten]

I was thinking flak and unarmoured cause I was kind of suffering against chaff

[tall torrent]

unarmored + carapace

[iron marten]

o

[tall torrent]

rn it's unarmored + maniac

[iron marten]

rlly, I thought maniac damage was already good

or is it for flamer 1hs

[steep flower]

Lets not forget thats just the weapon; build is second too; maybe ppl will include some other extra takents that increase dmg to bring it back to its glory?

[pseudo fiber]

The reason noone uses the secondary is because the primary is too good lol

[stable elk]

Kitefin just said they are not ready to release the nerfing of DS and plasma

[tall torrent]

I'm sorry to tell u this but plasma has very specific talent needs for breakpoints

[solar surge]

you'd think boltgun would be the weapon for unyielding, and plasma would be the weapon for carapace. Seems like it's the opposite.

[steep flower]

Does it use kill zone?

[tall torrent]

thankfully, not required

[steep flower]

It might be considered maybe after the changes rollout?

[tall torrent]

no

killzone is never gonna be considered for core breakpoints

[iron marten]

I think u need the 2 +5% ranged damaged nodes for plasma

[steep flower]

Time will tell; will wait for results

[tall torrent]

it just won't

it's at best a dps talent

never gonna rly be a breakpoint pick

[steep flower]

Never say never my friend

[tall torrent]

I can say that

[steep flower]

[tall torrent]

of all people

[iron marten]

lmao

[tall torrent]

I'm prob one of the very few

who can say that

[solar surge]

Because this man has the Loregryn in him.

[tall torrent]

"oops I blocked 1 rager atk and now I can't 1hs flamer gg"

[steep flower]

The priveleged man

[tall torrent]

killzone in a nutshell

[iron marten]

it's a nice to have rather than an essential pick

[crisp oak]

so nerfs to plasma and ds coming

[tall torrent]

The day when killzone works predictably on demand is when it becomes a breakpoint pick

Which could actually be never

[iron marten]

I much like killzone how it is now compared to... before lol

[tall torrent]

It’s not great

But it’s a start

Now just need to make it not turn off on blocking melee attack

And reduce deactivation period massively

Or better yet make it work all the time

For the sake of it

[sick cedar]

I wonder if One Motion is still a must with the helbore

Post-balance it's really fast with it

[graceful jetty]

If I am having trouble getting the 71, 69 plasma gun which stat should I dump? Thermal resist or charge rate?

[tall torrent]

Thermal

U lose 1 shot in continuous fire

[graceful jetty]

Am I better off just farming till I get 69 71?

[tall torrent]

If you have to use one now, dump thermal

If u want a perfect one, good luck

[graceful jetty]

Damn imma just keep farming

[normal sparrow]

Those turn off even when youre not taking damage?

[tall torrent]

Blocking melee attack turns it off yes

If u get hit by any melee attack, even if u block, they’ll turn off

Sword twin on ur back? Say goodbye to killzone and CaB buddy you’re getting a solid 0 second uptime on that

[normal sparrow]

Rip
I thought it was when you took melee damage

[steep flower]

Still a potent blessing

[normal sparrow]

A bit unreliable for breakpoint

[steep flower]

Everyone talks about breakpoints man; it is nice to have some but buff is a buff

[sudden cedar]

Achlys Combat Axe is an amazing weapon. ( God-Emperor please save me )

[steep flower]

I can see a difference in it if marginal

[steep flower]

Stop the cap

[sudden cedar]

Zarona Combat Shotgun too.

[steep flower]

STOP THE CAP

[sudden cedar]

No. The God-Emperor demands it!!

[grand perch]

0.001 cleave goes brrrt

[sudden cedar]

I know. It is pure pain.

[grand perch]

I'd just like to know their excuse for making a goddamn combat axe not able to cleave through a piece of paper

[sudden cedar]

And please answer me why this Weapon is slower..SLOWER..than a fucking Zweihänder

[steep flower]

I mean its realistic

[tender pasture]

its heel

as it were

[normal bay]

The paper was created by sacrificing the lives of 1000 innocent souls to the ruinous powers

[umbral scaffold]

what are the best blessings for the bolt pistol

[sudden cedar]

Puncture

and Puncture

[grand perch]

nothing beats 40k logic

maybe orks believe in papers strength real hard

IT BEATS ROCKS THEREFORE ITS STRONG

[tender pasture]

there's mfs wearing nipple purity seals as armour

probably the overflow from that

[sudden cedar]

Perhaps i should use the Branx Minor Weapon Skin. Maybe it'll go faster.

[grand perch]

i have red skin on my tac axe, and it goes real fast

theory confirmed

[iron marten]

genius

[steep flower]

Oh btw @grand perch i’ve found you skittering about in me yard just now; what are ya up to you devious creature?

[sudden cedar]

Just Lizard things.

[grand perch]

sorry just wanted to see what chaxe goodness you were cooking up

[sudden cedar]

Achlys Combat Axe.

[graceful jetty]

What is my best melee option if I don’t want to use dueling sword?

[sudden cedar]

The combat knife.

Combat Blade, or whatever that shiv is called.

[graceful jetty]

What if I want some horde clear?

Power sword?

[sudden cedar]

Combat Knife.

[graceful jetty]

Oh really?!?

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[graceful jetty]

Say less

[normal bay]

Rashad

[graceful jetty]

Mobility dump?

On knife?

[sudden cedar]

Of course

It already has amazing mobility.

[tall torrent]

Power sword

[graceful jetty]

Now I’m confused

Who is lying

[sudden cedar]

Opinions differ.

[tender pasture]

power sword is incredible but on the slow and clunky side

[tall torrent]

Knife horde clear is better than most people think but it’s nowhere near top tier

[sudden cedar]

Achlys Combat Axe is riveting gameplay

[tame lodge]

You get an overhead

You get an overhead

And you get an overhead

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-gif-13136161200304612855

[grand perch]

you can assume @tall torrent isnt lying

im not sure he's capable of lying

say a lie for me please

[iron marten]

knife horde clear is decent, but that's for the mk6, not sure about the mk3 lol

[grand perch]

Much better options available for horde clear

Such as chainsword

[iron marten]

I can say for sure tac axe horde clear is better

like way better

chainsword

I like being useful until armour appears

[uncut pebble]

Chainsword, unironically, is worse.

The only weapon with worse clear than chainswords is mk1 dclaw.

(assuming mixed horde)

[clever hedge]

Powersword and Rashad horde clear and and carapace enimies

[grand perch]

I didn't say mixed horde though

[iron marten]

ay lads, rate the drip

[clever hedge]

Very red sir very nice sir

[grand perch]

Harry duBois levels of clothing mismatch

[uncut pebble]

The commissariat would have you hanged by your entrails because your uniform doesn't match.

Lmao.

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-elysium-smile-gif-17859376

[uncut pebble]

(seriously the commissariat in lore is very strict about their dress code, quite strange)

[iron marten]

terror through fashion ig :P

[uncut pebble]

Tbf, if your superior officer doesn't have that shit on, are you really gonna listen? (don't mind the bolt pistol pointed at the back of your head)

[iron marten]

I also have a black commissar hat but the red is funnier

[iron marten]

forgive me, idk the reference

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-elysium-detective-breakdance-gif-26218147

harry duBois is the player character from disco elysium

[iron marten]

o

[grand perch]

certified mad lad and wearer of clothes he literally finds in the bin

[iron marten]

finds in the bin
Stelle from HSR reference (jk)

[midnight wyvern]

wide

[iron marten]

o I play 4:3

[grand perch]

gaming like it's 1892

[iron marten]

i blame having a bad laptop and csgo

playing 4:3 made the game tolerable with the fps lol

[grand perch]

im not shaming its just unusual

[midnight wyvern]

[iron marten]

yeah I don't deny that lol

[midnight wyvern]

I am shaming

wide putin lookin ah

[iron marten]

ogryns look even funnier

[midnight wyvern]

I need an ogryn with long legs

[iron marten]

hang on let me

[midnight wyvern]

long legs short arms

[iron marten]

[midnight wyvern]

Am building SAH

will block way SAH

[grand perch]

thats the ogryn Ursarkar Creed used to hide baneblades behind

[normal bay]

Knight sized Ogryn

[open ravine]

Apparently some early patch notes for the plasma gun and ds were leaked on the forums and they are just gutting the plasma uncharged into the ground while barely changing charged. But the problem is the kill time for charged shots is far too slow for the gutting of uncharged shots.
Also based on testing the ammo economy of plasma would become on the worst in the game if the leaked nerfs are implemented as is

[grand perch]

Not again

[clever hedge]

Well there is time as a community to tell them NOOOOOOOOOO

The plasma needs a rework not a straight nerf

Make charged shot significantly better

Pls fatshark

[sudden cedar]

I will just enjoy the show

Laughing about all those that cry out because their overpowered Duelling Sword is nerfed

[atomic void]

then why are you even upset 😭

if the single ranged weapon they're nerfing doesnt affect you

[open ravine]

So let's take the current ammo to kill quantity for the average carapace manic
3 Uncharged shots are needed which is 9 ammo
2 charged hits are needed which is 18 ammo
This is an issue but their solutions is Nerf the hell out of uncharged damage

[atomic void]

the leak stuff is literally not finalized

no point in arguing over a draft

[pseudo fiber]

What if the update releases and there is no ds and plasma nerf

[open ravine]

Well the draft looks like utter shit so I got to get fatsharts attention so they don't be brain dead and super Nerf it

[grand perch]

Lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Lol

[atomic void]

this is the same company that over buffed everything they ever tried to buff brother

[open ravine]

From the sounds of their talks nerfs are the update after arbite

[atomic void]

i started playing when unlocked and loaded dropped and all ive seen is buffs buffs buffs and more buffs

the latest funny example being buffing scrier's gaze psyker for no reason?

[open ravine]

Because you don't know how shit they were before

[pseudo fiber]

You missed out on then auto pistol nuclear bomb then

[open ravine]

Like a lot of stuff on launch was unusable

[atomic void]

seems like i missed out on buffs if anything, people told me autopistol, flamer ect were outright broken and zealot's fotf did rending with ranged

[atomic void]

oh i know all about the game launching like ass, i somewhat followed the news for couple of years waiting for them to "fix" it and hopped on when they did

[open ravine]

And plasma is one of the weapon which was hated for ages because it was more leathal to the player than the enemy

[grand perch]

I'm surprised there's ammo left on atoma after all the sweaty ammo vacuums had their weeks with op shredder pistol

[atomic void]

the chinese cm is getting fired lmao

[open ravine]

Zealots were the worst back then. Made being a vet horrendous no ammo in sight

[pseudo fiber]

Before the talent tree being added in patch 13 the autopistol was the best gun in the game

They nerfed it so hard it only recovered 2 years later

[atomic void]

lmao

but yeah i highly doubt the same company that just released new ogryn

even knows how to heavy nerf anymore

[open ravine]

It still recovering in my eyes

[atomic void]

new ogryn is comically strong

[open ravine]

Ogryn is the devs favourite class so of course it would be strong while it seems vet is the devs least favourite class as they often ignore them for ages before doing something with them. Hell when they first did the class rework they completely half arsed the vet tree, there weren't even any keystones for them and when they finally did add keystones for them they were half as fun as the other classes

[atomic void]

vet is confirmed to be getting new weapons

and possibly a tree rework after zealot gets his

[open ravine]

That was half year ago now

[pseudo fiber]

Only male zealot characters tho

[open ravine]

I would not be surprised if we get sisters of battle first before vet gets their rework

[muted elk]

bc i like using it? its perfect the way it is?

if god removed pussy from the game ud be upset.. and u aint use tht often either XD

[sleek garden]

I think I'd be fine with it being crazy overpowered if it sapped a bit of health

This is why it's so prevalent now

It was super high damage with a drawback

And now there's no drawback

[atomic void]

u can ask yo momma my friend

[atomic void]

probably ad mech first

[muted elk]

U want it to sap helath?

[sleek garden]

It did sap health

[muted elk]

it does? it explodes?

[sleek garden]

No when the game came out venting it at high heat would do like 10 hp

[muted elk]

if it drained health on fire itd be useless? its only goodnon high heat

[open ravine]

Sister are a bit easier. Admech is real fancy and would be a lot

[muted elk]

u guys r the trolls lmao

[atomic void]

bro all what u do is insult people

get real

[sleek garden]

They just changed HP damage to toughness damage

[atomic void]

you're coping and seething over a leak of a draft that's actually crazy

[sleek garden]

And now that there's gold toughness it eliminates any real setback of the weapon

[heavy rover]

i swear i offer a zealot one ammo pack and they take it as a sign to take all the ammo

[tame lodge]

It does
Only on charged shots
Which we don't use because it's not worth using

[sleek garden]

But... Big whoof

On the train mission I do charged shots

[tame sundial]

I think I know how to fix veteran. Remove him from the game. He doesn't deserve to be there.

[open ravine]

I have watched zealots who have only fired a single shot go steal ammo from someone on red

[sudden cedar]

Hogging all the ammo

I have seen people spamming "I need Ammo" yet never take any ammo as their reserves go down and down and people ping ammo for them

[tame lodge]

Apparently they are buffing the charged shots against Unyielding

Finally

Boss killing Plasma

(it's mid)

[sudden cedar]

Viable

[sleek garden]

Imagine struggling with ammo, survivalist with the infantry lasgun gives you back like 10 shots

Even with no ammo I'm still useful

Occasionally

[sudden cedar]

It happens

People shoot way too much

[sleek garden]

The real win of the new balancing is the mk1 devils claw

I've always been a believer

Light spam is becoming useful

[open ravine]

The buff is pretty minimal and wouldn't offset the massive ammo consumption increase

[sleek garden]

Heavy spam is doing the exact same thing

But now there's a light to heavy chain

Super parry punish

Parry-light-heavy

[grand perch]

Flak ADM still shit unfortunately

[open ravine]

Plasma charged shots are 3 shots worth of uncharged while only being twice as strong

[sleek garden]

who is this bad against though

[sudden cedar]

Let me think.

[sleek garden]

this only sucks when you're fighting dreg bruisers, even then you just aim for the chest

[sudden cedar]

Gunners.

[sleek garden]

Why on earth

Would I get close to a scab gunner

With a devils claw

[sudden cedar]

Because you are a Zealot.

[sleek garden]

You are in the wrong chat

Also fury of the faithful

[sudden cedar]

Wrong chat he says.

[tame lodge]

At the same time they are nerfing the uncharged shots Unyielding from 2 to 1.25

[sleek garden]

Or you can bait out a kick

and parry his head off

It's not that hard

[sudden cedar]

You are reacting to what is done when you should be the one acting

[tame lodge]

Hmmm
Wonder how this affects blaze Away Optimized Cooling

[grand perch]

It's literally one of the most common armour types.
Also why wouldn't you melee gunners

[sharp epoch]

i dont think plasma will be good anymore tbh

[tame lodge]

I'll miss the suppression

[sharp epoch]

the switch time and nerf to all damage types and penetration is just murdering it basically its not even a rework just a straight nerf

[sleek garden]

I've really never noticed an issue, I kill most non heavy elites in two attacks

When it's a horde it might take an extra few swings if it's dreg bruisers

but then you just aim for the chest

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[sleek garden]

wym nuh uh

[tame lodge]

Outside factor

Not every class has fotf

So dismissing bad flak because fotf is not a fair assessment

[sleek garden]

The point of gunners is that they shred you if you stand there and get gunned down

[tame lodge]

[sudden cedar]

No.

The point of gunners is to surpress you and pin you in place

[sleek garden]

The real issue is that scab gunners have just enough stagger resistance to ignore getting hit by heavies

[open ravine]

The Nerf to uncharged would kill one of the plasma's biggest strength as even with max damage stats charged generally takes 2 hits thus 6 uncharged shots worth of damage against tougher enemies, that is twice the ammo needed to kill one enemy

[sleek garden]

From mk1 devils claw

But I never fight gunners in melee

Because I have a gun

every class has a gun

[sudden cedar]

I disagree with this.

[sharp epoch]

sometimes its best to

[sleek garden]

Hopefully with the new strike down attack it will have enough stagger to interrupt his shooting

[sharp epoch]

ogryn can just walk up and knock them all over

[sleek garden]

But still

You can parry them

They kick you if you get close

[sudden cedar]

Dodge it.

You want to dodge anyway.

[sleek garden]

no, parry it

It's the devil's claw

[sudden cedar]

Parrying is waiting for the enemy to attack while doing nothing

[open ravine]

Arbite is just gonna tank gunners

[sudden cedar]

You might as well keep hacking and dodge when they attack

You end up with the same result.

[open ravine]

Then probably send the dog after them

[sleek garden]

they ignore stagger from non enhanced devils claw attacks

If you're so worried, attack then with the sword and when they kick parry it

[sudden cedar]

A shame. Dodge.

[sleek garden]

no wonder you hate it

You don't use one of its biggest strengths

[sudden cedar]

How do i suddenly hate a weapon?

Funny how you come to conclusions based on.. nothing.

[sleek garden]

Because you don't use the biggest part of the weapon

[sudden cedar]

I never said i wouldn't.

But waiting for the enemy to do something you can capitalize off of is not a good idea.

[open ravine]

The best melee weapon for vet is the shock maul and hey it's getting a buff next week so it will be even better

[sleek garden]

activating the special attack is not doing nothing

[sudden cedar]

Just like trying to win a shoot-out with gunners.

[sleek garden]

Winning a shootout with gunners is probably one of the simplest things you can do with a lasgun

Or a revolver

or boltgun

[sonic kayak]

All you need to do is just win, Mexican shootout style

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak That is true, i guess.

[sonic kayak]

[sudden cedar]

It still eats a lot of ammunition you don't have to spend.

[sonic kayak]

Pop out from a barrel, shoot, duck back behind the barrel

[quaint marsh]

"FOR NERGLLL" dies

[sonic kayak]

Have the camera move to a random guy getting shot

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak Fastest draw on Tertium Hive.

[sharp epoch]

If plasma gets nerfed I'm just swapping to glugger its just a better vet atp

[open ravine]

The shock maul has great stagger and cc and if you get the agni one it has an amazing overhead heavy loop

[sleek garden]

You can one shot them with an infantry laagun

[sudden cedar]

Never said it wouldnt.

[sleek garden]

You said it would eat a lot of ammo

[tame lodge]

Real

Dclaw 1 moment

No reliable Strikedowns

[sudden cedar]

Yes. "a lot of ammo you don't have to spend"

Make every shot count.

But i guess Veteran Mindset is just different.

[sleek garden]

one shotting a scab gunner with a gun that has 50 shots in the mag is not making it count?

[sleek garden]

That's why I'm looking forward to the new update

[sudden cedar]

If you can kill them in melee, yes.

[sleek garden]

They're adding a heavy strikedown

Do you ever use range in this game

[tame lodge]

About time btw

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[grand perch]

Yeah that's a much needed addition to mk 1

[sleek garden]

I'm not sure what the issue is, then

[sudden cedar]

Unnecessary usage of ammunition.

[sleek garden]

if anything with survivalist shooting a scab gunner refunds you more ammo than it takes to kill it

Why spend the time running to a scab gunner to hit him with a sword when you can just shoot him

[sudden cedar]

Because you can. And you should.

[sleek garden]

I believe they're also increasing the damage multiplier against flak but I need to look

[sleek garden]

what do you do with guns then

[sudden cedar]

Use them when usage is required.

[grand perch]

No point arguing if you should hit them in melee or shoot them when the real question should be what the situation demands for

[sudden cedar]

Indeed. I agree with that.

[open ravine]

How about using a grenade against gunners

[grand perch]

If they're bunched up sure

[sleek garden]

what is the situation where you can spend time running at gunners when you can shoot them from a distance

[grand perch]

If it's only one or two but they're a big problem in the current situation: also yes

[sleek garden]

if I'm completely out of ammo

[open ravine]

Unlock your inner pysker and brain pop them

[atomic void]

i mean gunners are a meme once u get to their melee range

so u can easily kill them

[sleek garden]

Sometimes they forget to stop shooting when I get close

But true

[open ravine]

It's a shame veteran can't do pysker penances anymore

[sleek garden]

You'd have to try really hard to burst yourself with the plasma gun

[normal bay]

I saw someone burst themselves with the plasma last weekend. Couldn't believe it

[open ravine]

I just remembered accidentally doing it and having a pysker penance go off

[open ravine]

I had a zealot go down multiple times the other day

Zealot and ogryn are nigh unkillable so seeing them get downed multiple times in a short space of time was just disappointing to watch

[atomic void]

@dreamy vortex

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/nabzzino-nabzz-nabz-nabbz-nabzino-gif-20585627

[normal bay]

Sometimes the game just has it in for you

[sleek garden]

The thing that kills me the most as veteran is getting staggered in fire

For some reason fire kills my veteran super fast

[steep flower]

Fire kills anyone fast

[sleek garden]

if I get hit by a dog, even if it's immediately knocked off the time it takes my character to stand up usually gets them killed

[steep flower]

Psyker & zealot can experience that too

[sleek garden]

zealot can experience this

Impossible

As zealot I think I die most from trappers

There's been a few times where I never see the sniper laser and then suddenly there's a giant hole in my chest

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-tomorrow-cod-bo2-june-19th-june-gif-7686710810343788774

@faint beacon.... tomorrow.... tomorrow

[pseudo fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1130953226611597413/1272268934170677369/GQYg7ivWMAE1RSC.gif

[frank basin]

i set my calender

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-tomorrow-cod-bo2-june-19th-june-gif-7686710810343788774

[frank basin]

Picking your ending

Probably the 6th

[inner widget]

Mayhaps I blacked out for a bit there

[fading yarrow]

That is indeed what it feels like

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-moon-knight-marvel-gif-25255244

[jaunty lake]

With the helbore buffs, are they gonna finally add some USUABLE SIGHTS TO THOSE DAMN THINGS

I thought we figured out gunsights 38,000 years ago

[unreal nova]

Blueprints lost to time.

[jaunty lake]

I do not care at thihs point, rip the eotech off the MG12 and put it on the helbore so I can finally SEE

[unreal nova]

Also, juryrigged sights is heresy.

[tame lodge]

Ok make it better

Oh right

Also heresy

[jaunty lake]

or just raise the front post a bit, that's all I ask

and hotshot lasgun when

we have helbore but not helguns

[trim badger]

DS nerfs will not affect My vet but I'm already shitting and kicking my feet for my poor zealot

[true jackal]

longer ago then that

[inner widget]

Ngl im so excited for the DB buff

[true jackal]

i've seen fucken flintlocks with better sights then the helbore

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe, I guess.

[trim badger]

I just like the heavy attacks tho...

I guess maybe I'll need to get used to Thrust on DS

To reach previous good breakpoints

[true jackal]

we don't know what the current changes yet, there is a good chance it is pushed into a single target focus

[trim badger]

To be fair that's not even what I'm crying for

[unreal nova]

It's already ST focus.

[trim badger]

What I'm crying for is the removal of the special stagger stab

THAT'S what is making me cry about DS change

[void dragon]

The real question for me is that the nerfs come live I will finally be able to use the Dueling swords ethically?

[true jackal]

a single target focus with excellent horde clear for what it does

[trim badger]

Why are they giving DS a parry I don't like it :ccc

[true jackal]

it's being reworked not just nerfed, the logical change is to shift focus almost purely to the single target "dueling" rather then being able to do everything

[true jackal]

we don't know if they are, they where but in no way is anything confirmed as far as I am aware

[unreal nova]

Excellent, by that you mean stab heds one by one.

[void dragon]

Because the stab is brainded and parry needs actual skill

[trim badger]

It's almost garanteed that they will go through the parry thing

[true jackal]

cept it's not

they could do literally anything

we do not know

[trim badger]

Then make the stab only stagger on headshot and make it not stagger ogryns aaaa

[true jackal]

Fatshark's balancing is an enigma

[void dragon]

Indeed, they could even buff the darned thing

[unreal nova]

I guess you only play sedation or uprising.

[trim badger]

It could've been made not braindead

[true jackal]

literally not what I was refering to

[unreal nova]

Only diffs I will say DS has horde clear.

[true jackal]

they means fatshark

[void dragon]

ObeseFish moment

[true jackal]

so, kindly pay attention instead of assuming that I only play certain difficulties, based on an unrelated comment

[tame lodge]

No

💀

[unreal nova]

Reread what you typed here

[tame lodge]

Even the supposed nerf to Uncanny on DS

Doesn't make it ethical

Because you can always go Precognition Riposte

[topaz lance]

Dueling Sword buff when?
This weapon sucks so much, cannot even kill a Demon Host in one heavy arrack.
TRASH.

[true jackal]

https://imgur.com/a/N2VzrXb

[tame lodge]

Wdym bro
It just got buffed

[trim badger]

I'll miss my stagger attack, RIP my beauty that allowed me to cheese gunners

[normal bay]

Everyone acting like this will happen before the next update in 3 months

[trim badger]

It will happen, it's inevitable!!!

[unreal nova]

Is not if but when. Like death.

[void dragon]

Darnit, but what If I don't use precog, what if the Nerf it even more! OBESEFISH TELL ME THE EXTENSION OF THE DUELING SWORD BULLYING NOW!!

[steep flower]

Time 2 use chainaxe

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-1630712686706559038

[trim badger]

I hate the camera locking on targets

Remove that shit and I'll use it

[steep flower]

Cope

[steep flower]

But i do understand; sometimes if you rev and get a bad angle your camera freaks out

[normal bay]

You don't like getting flipped 180 degrees mid fight?

[sonic kayak]

It's funny charging with the axe, having it lock on to an enemy, and having you turn backwards because of the position of the hitbox

[steep flower]

Can be a bummer but its soo rare you might not even mention it as a flaw, more like a gimmic

[sonic kayak]

Nah it's funny

I mean you're still doing damage

[faint beacon]

Started playing Helbys in prep for the buff and honestly getting a hang of them

[steep flower]

Don’t forget stagger

[sonic kayak]

Exactly, you're not hopeless

[faint beacon]

the only issue I've had is hitreg issues but I mean that literally is the same with what I play the vigils

[sonic kayak]

It's just like waking up thinking you're already standing and you fall to the floor

You're ok, just disoriented

[steep flower]

Solid weapon even now; gonna see how the pull out speed is gonna be with it

[faint beacon]

@steep flower also weren't you the one that said Falter was actually decent on it?

cause I'll be blunt

I dont see a point of running WoF

[steep flower]

Yup; on mk3

[faint beacon]

When im using that specifically for dropping high priority enemies

[sonic kayak]

Falter on the Helbore? 🤔

[faint beacon]

I mean it was helping

I noticed it

Im trying out Hotshot + Surgical IIIa now

[steep flower]

Yeah on mk3 & 5 you dont need WoF

[faint beacon]

but I did enjoy Falter + Surgical

[steep flower]

Hotshot is basically to help your melee

[sonic kayak]

The 4's charge is so good and it makes me depressed the others don't hit as hard

Just don't have that oomph

[faint beacon]

I've had moments of stack ups or enemies behind eachother

[unreal nova]

Sometimes, the funni picks just works.

[sonic kayak]

I could see Falter working 🤔

[faint beacon]

I was sitting there wondering like "Hmmm maybe I could get value from HS"

[steep flower]

Mk4 has a dogshit mandatory timer between shots which makes it awful in situations when you have many targets to kill

[true jackal]

I mean, i'll take marginal less effectiveness if it means I can headshot 3 dudes at once(refering to hotshot)

[tame lodge]

Hotshot 1
My beloved

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, even with the funni one-taps

[faint beacon]

I dont like how flimsy V feels and IV is too slow

so I finally tried IIIa more and it clicked

[unreal nova]

I wonder if they'll fix it.

[grand perch]

never

[sonic kayak]

Hotshot and DC

[steep flower]

Used mk5 but the dmg was lacking, when i tried mk3a it was like perfect in everything

[true jackal]

? whats the deal with hotshot 1

[unreal nova]

Or more like, swap what they do so 4 is better.

[faint beacon]

Me insisting on trying to use the IV cause it hits super hard and then its just like

[steep flower]

It gives more than hotshot 4 cause coding

[faint beacon]

yeah I can kill anything but like

the psyker is killing faster than I can charge my shots

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-horse-horse-drunk-horse-long-face-gif-23615595

[faint beacon]

IIIa is a good medium ground

[steep flower]

Thats like an insult to injury

[faint beacon]

Literally it made me feel useless so I was like

[true jackal]

it do be like that

[faint beacon]

yeah unless im using it specifically for Ogryn nuking

its going on the shelf

Besides MkIIIa can Charge + Normal to kill one

[tame lodge]

The buff table is inverted
Hotshot 1 gives -80%
Hotshot 4 gives -50%

[faint beacon]

not a huge deal

[steep flower]

Exec stance mk4 with ogryn highlight augment and you go hunt the big game; sadly its too specialized

[steep flower]

This is for mk3a made by @tall torrent

@faint beacon check it out too

The fact you can stagger trappers & flamers by just tapping them in the head makes a huge difference; can save you and/or your teammates - i noticed it as i played and experimented in havoc 1.0

Cause without falter once they start doing their attack animation the shot will not stop them; falter fixed it

[sonic kayak]

Right.. which is what I was thinking

[steep flower]

Not to mention stopping a reaper barrage by shooting him in the face

Noticed that too

[loud estuary]

i was doing so well until zealot and vet decided to slide into a crusher hoard

and took overheads

and then i was blasted into the ledge

💔

[sonic kayak]

@steep flower How would you recommend running this setup?

I'm down to try new ways to use the Helbore

I'm just using the bogstandard MMF build but I think I'll do FT for more practicality

[vivid silo]

Man, people are reeeaaaally upset about the potential Plasma nerfs on reddit

[sonic kayak]

[steep flower]

Mmf needs help; its not suited for general gameplay of darktide

[sonic kayak]

Real and true AF

[steep flower]

What setup? Cant see shiet

[faint beacon]

I recall doing some of the testing for Helbore and Vigilants lmao

mainly cause I got bored around like what

before havoc?

and said fuck it im testing Falter BPs

I kid you not I just forgot Helbys BPs

[steep flower]

Fix vigils recoil & they will be used in endgame cause they pack a punch but require weakspot hits and with tgeir recoil & constant moving around you just bount to have lower efficiency

[sonic kayak]

I used to use Falter Lasgun for the 1.0 pus hardened gunners

[faint beacon]

Thats really all I want

I wouldn't mind a small tweaking to its ADM for maniac

but the recoil for all 3 variants is what really holds it back

[steep flower]

It has amazing blessings too

[faint beacon]

Anyways managed to outdamage 3 Pickaxe ogryns with MkIIIa Helbore, I think Hotshot is the one I prefer

had multiple incidents where it gained value outside of melee

[hollow ibex]

🤔

man i tried hotshot and barely felt it

[faint beacon]

Trapper running through another special

hits both of them

etc

[true jackal]

get more stylish then

[true jackal]

^ at this

[faint beacon]

So all I had to do was single tap the Flamer behind the trapper

[steep flower]

A sign of a nice non-boring weapon is the fact it can have more than 1 build

[faint beacon]

The 5 helbore mains eating like kings come the 23rd

with all those buffs lmao

[iron marten]

Yesss

[normal bay]

Can't wait to whiff everything and go back to bolt weapons

[steep flower]

Very situational but it does happen alot in high diffs especially when 2 specials of the same kind walk inside each other and have same pathing so you see only 1 but there are 2

[iron marten]

Rare mk3a enjoyer

I mainly play mk5 and mk4 lol

[faint beacon]

increasing its projectile by just the smallest amount

so Hitting heads might be easier

thats literally my only gripe with Helbore

its suffers the same issue that Vigil does which is inconsistent hitreg

[iron marten]

And it seems darktide has been hit by another review bomb

[normal bay]

The obstructive sights moved around a lot for me when I first tried it. Maybe it feels better with 60 stab. Didn't have a build or blessings either lol

[normal bay]

Review bombing Evis and hellbore buffs. Ban them all

[faint beacon]

See I have a thing called Mods that im absolutely abusing on the Helbore cause its fucking vile

[normal bay]

[iron marten]

I got used to the helbore sights

[faint beacon]

Those sights are another gripe

[sonic kayak]

The Helbore is just like playing CoD WaW, ez

[faint beacon]

but I do have a skin that gives it a better sight

[iron marten]

Mk4 helbore is the funniest helbore though. One shotting 5 reapers in a row is peak

And not using a single bit of ammo mmmm

[hollow ibex]

oof

[faint beacon]

"Sir... Another review bomb has hit the darktide page"

[hollow ibex]

because of plasma nerfs?

[faint beacon]

DS and Plasma probs

bitches want their game ruining fantasy

literally the first negative review

yeah its the Veteran mains crawling out of no where to bitch about the nerfs that were needed

[void dragon]

Fake vet mains, probably Cadia deserters

[unreal nova]

To be fair, pulling a perfect plasma is a pain only to have it nerfed... heh.

[crude wind]

I really hate the concept of review bombing

It's so pathetic and entitled

[grand perch]

my steam shop points are just getting spent on clown-reacting these reviews

[unreal nova]

To be fair, negative reviews on FOMO and how unstable the game is is legit.

[unreal nova]

Nobody but predatory shareholders want FOMO.

And the servers being a mess is old news.

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch As expected

[grand perch]

pathetic

[steep flower]

Seeing such a review i wanna see how the boyo handles himself in endgame content

[topaz lance]

There is a point to the "no new vet weapons" part but the whining about nerfs is just pathetic.

[steep flower]

Would be glorious to witness

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Spoilers, he won't.

[steep flower]

Who knows tho

I’m always willing to try

[sudden cedar]

True. Just like iam trying to fight with the Achlys Combat Axe.

[red robin]

@grand perch what’s ur verdict on tac axe changes?

[grand perch]

we eatin good boys

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch I wonder what the "buffs that we expected" that one is referring to are supposed to be.

[grand perch]

if he was speaking for the community (which he's not) id say proper buffs to marksmans focus, skirmisher, executioners stance + infil, the likes

but as hes just speaking out of his ass, no idea

[sudden cedar]

He's just sad he won't overperform anymore with Plasma and Duelling Sword anymore

[red robin]

What was the crit bonus?

[grand perch]

for these specific attacks, i dont know

[hard bay]

I managed to get all the last Veteran penance yesterday

[red robin]

I’m kinda looking at the sprint speed changes

But uh

Damn everything the taxe has does not like anything but mobility dump

[steep flower]

Spoilers; you usually don’t to begin with

[orchid hemlock]

My Zealot is eating good

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower He probably does not know that.

[orchid hemlock]

I'm ready to spam Evis/tac every game

[red robin]

Woah

[sudden cedar]

Give the Achlys Combat Axe a try, will you?

[red robin]

Evis actually has better cleave now

Unreal

[crude wind]

All the buffed weapons feel A LOT better now

[orchid hemlock]

It's not just better, it CLEAVE period 😈

[grand perch]

i feel like just saying that once makes you No1 Achlys Caxe Enjoyer

[orchid hemlock]

I'm ready to play Amazon rainforest simulator

[sudden cedar]

Don't fool yourself, its trash.

[sudden cedar]

I.. i would say i hate it.

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-chris-stewie-negative-so-negative-gif-27521015

[sudden cedar]

It is purgatory.

[grand perch]

even ironically advertising achlys caxe makes you no1 enjoyer of it

[sudden cedar]

True.

[grand perch]

you cant escape your fate

[sudden cedar]

I would never try to.

Pain only makes me stronger.

[red robin]

Time to abuse hyper cleave perfect strike + shred gameplay

75% hit mass reduction on crits

[orchid hemlock]

Be slicing thru a Bullwalk shield for the first time in 1 years and actually doing damage to it

[tame lodge]

Taxe Shredder Auto Pistol
So you keep attacking while sprinting

The whole game

[red robin]

So goated

[tame lodge]

Finally some use for the Stamina node of Weapon Specialist

[orchid hemlock]

People also forget that all TACAXEs now have 3 cleave targets instead of 2