veteran-class

[faint beacon]

ITS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Its not terrible

[hearty panther]

The irons will feel slightly less ass with the projectile being widened

[fading yarrow]

I saw someone write on Reddit that the Helbore's sights are so bad because they were designed with attachments in mind during development

[faint beacon]

its "technically" a nerf

but like ehhhhh

[tame lodge]

Me enjoying high zoom weapons

[faint beacon]

who cares

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

my guy

it went from 65 fov to 45

it's joever

[faint beacon]

Still using it

smh

[grand perch]

and you still catch flak for using a mod to giv eit different sights

[faint beacon]

Besides I dont extreme tunnel vision with guns like that

I pay heavily attention to sounds when im trying to snipe

[tame lodge]

Oooh new challenge
Low fov, exec stance

[fading yarrow]

Weeps in no console modding

[tame lodge]

Does stimm also zoom you

[faint beacon]

this made me nauseous reading this

[true jackal]

I swear people don't pay attention to the sounds in this game anyway (tbf they aren't reliable) but I dodge shit all the time just by hearing it

[faint beacon]

euooohhh....

extremely low FOV...

[grand perch]

servitor class gaming peripherie

[modern crescent]

helbore snipers preparing to get slapped on the ass but slightly more so

[fading yarrow]

Btw. Do you happen to have a build to go with your name?

[grand perch]

uh

in a havoc rn

later

[fading yarrow]

Ah

[tall torrent]

DC swords buffs are also really good except none of them address its abysmal flak ADM

[true jackal]

mk 7 tac axe goes crazy now that i've tried it again

[faint beacon]

I mean yeah they might be kinda playable

but will still struggle against flak

[tame lodge]

Don't worry

Flak enemies aren't common anyways

[fading yarrow]

What build be ye running it with?

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

No worries they have uhhh

unarmored parts!

right!

its still useable!

I think!

[tropic notch]

Everytime I see this i think of king assripper

[true jackal]

Head-taker + BM, BM caries the fuck out of it but same could be said for the combat axes

[sudden cedar]

You can parry a daemonhost to death.

[tropic notch]

Please give the dclaw headtaker

[faint beacon]

no

[tall torrent]

tac axe II and VII might be pretty good after update we'll see

[fading yarrow]

What about talents?

[tall torrent]

VII prob the best

[true jackal]

just a normal Weapon specalist build

[tall torrent]

unless II gets crazy special atk dmg

[true jackal]

it's jsut a pretty ok weapon that has an actual moveset to use

[faint beacon]

Arbites vs Zealot, Staggerclaw

[true jackal]

rather then just spaming shit

[tropic notch]

So the overhead on the mk4 dc got buffed?

And the light 4 got buffed??

[uncut pebble]

Which is really annoying considering it's the main gripe of literally everybody.

NOBODY asked for anything else except an adm tweak to the parry.

We just want to be able to oneshot a dreg bruiser without having to jump through hoops to pull it off.

[tropic notch]

Is that the one you chain with the horde clear combo?

[neon current]

yo any of the code readers, wtf does power level modifier means?

[tall torrent]

damage

[neon current]

ye but whats the ratio

[fading yarrow]

Is Stability the dump for Combat Shotgun?

[neon current]

380 is base?

and it gets bumped up to 500 whatever?

[tropic notch]

Mobility

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon

[fading yarrow]

Do I lose anything for having Stability dumped?

[neon current]

yea

stability

[tame lodge]

Ok but why's no one talking about the dueling sword buff

[neon current]

there is only one dueling sword

the other 2 is a placeholder

[tame lodge]

Yeah
There's only mk2

Real

[frank basin]

@faint beacon June 20th, remember, June 20th

[neon current]

is what I've used on zealot

before giving up DS altogether

[thorn lark]

DS5 chads winning everything

[tropic notch]

I hope the ds 5 is untouched

It’s my fav

[sudden cedar]

Cassia is overrated

[tropic notch]

Ds but cool and balanced

[neon current]

@tall torrent so 550 powerlevel is gonna be a straight 45% dmg increase on a 380 base weapon for the respective attack?

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's what Cassia would say

[tall torrent]

no

[neon current]

I guess my question is, from what initial number are they raising it to 500 something something

[tall torrent]

I don't fully understand how power level multipliers work

but I can tell u this

[neon current]

ok

[tall torrent]

515 power level multiplier

is roughly

515 times bigger

than that attack's current power level multiplier

[neon current]

right

[bronze trout]

are taxe's good now

[tall torrent]

don't think abt it too much

6 days till update anyway

[grand perch]

regular blessings would be BM + headtaker im just trialing these 2 out with light spam

[frank basin]

feel nice

[neon current]

oh wait, its 500 base atm

so it won't be substantial

[frank basin]

taxe are swifty move hit and dodge

[grand perch]

infil build for taxe

[neon current]

taxe best combo is PA heavy, unless you are a vet and not allowed to spam PA

kekw

[tall torrent]

where did u find this 500 number

[neon current]

assuming

aka, pulled it outta my ass

[tall torrent]

are u talking abt the 500 rating number on weapon card

[neon current]

yea

it would make sense

[tall torrent]

that means nothing

[neon current]

I know, but comparatively, it would make sense is all

to go from 500 to 515-545

it would be a small but possibly respectable gain

[tall torrent]

this is tac axe II's special attack's current power level multiplier

[hollow ibex]

Decimator

https://tenor.com/view/cat-macska-cica-vomit-oklendez-gif-14738230240638170539

[tall torrent]

I have no idea what 515 would do for it

[neon current]

well, I expect you to find out eventually 😄

[tall torrent]

nah I don't bother

[neon current]

all we need to know is, that tac7 is gonna be even better

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/soy-boy-dance-wojak-soy-boy-dance-wojak-dance-gif-18280425537641283765

[tall torrent]

yea

[neon current]

heavily buffed H2

all lights buffed

best PA angle for PA heavy spam

[fading yarrow]

Ty

[void dragon]

what's the image for the evicerators? are they gonna be good to use?

[neon current]

mk15 is already good with martyr even H40

shred wrath vs rampage and / or moebians

[tall torrent]

pretty big buffs

[neon current]

EVEN with the dmg hardcap

now its gonna beat ogryns on thicc boiz I suspect

[void dragon]

everything is good with martyr damage bonus, but what about the other options?

[neon current]

good point

I think this change will make momentum MK15 havoc viable

or good even

[tame lodge]

15 is already good to use
The buffs are just making it better

Specially for CRIT builds with Shred Perfect Strike

[neon current]

I still prefer wrath shred for martyr

wrath is just more consistent

with piety, perfect strike sure

but evis finesse bonuses are nothing to write home about

[tall torrent]

III might be better than XV

not sure

a bunch of eviscerator's changes are mk III exclusive

[neon current]

I think it already is

but ease of use matters

[tall torrent]

nah

XV is way better than III rn

[neon current]

not even with dmg hardcap?

haven't used 3 since forever

mk15 letting me turn off my brain is too chill

[sudden cedar]

Tigrus will receive some buffs

[void dragon]

no cap on cleave will make it fun to cut hordes

[tall torrent]

III also has it

[neon current]

oh it does

yea, it's a no competition than

[unreal nova]

Not too useful if lagging. The sound isn't accurate then.

[true jackal]

that's a whole other situation

and a whole host of other problems

[fading yarrow]

Mk 7 Taxe absolutely ruins Ragers

I had no idea

The survivability with this thing is off the charts

[delicate rivet]

Yay Plasma Rework soon

[hollow ibex]

Another one has seen the light

[unreal nova]

True, but you can compensate for it to a degree.

[crude star]

how exactly does the 'finesse boost' in the patch notes work? how much more damage would that actually be?

[tropic notch]

It’s not

300 damage to maniac on crit weakspot L1

As Meow said

Last night I loaded up the meat grinder to try to learn the mk3 and the more I found out about it the sadder I got

[lilac lichen]

don't think it's worth running the two stam regen nodes with taxe?

[paper grove]

are there any effective ways I can complete these 2 pens?

[woven oak]

Crabwalk for Killshot Ready.

That's how I did it. Get the talent to keep stacks while crouching, then destroy your knees.

[paper grove]

So just crouch, shoot, repeat?

[woven oak]

Stay crouched the whole mission if possible

[paper grove]

Im assuming higher diffs and high intensity modifiers are ones to look for as more enemies?

[paper grove]

Ah I see

[tame lodge]

Mercantile
If you don't detonate the second wall, the hordes are infinite

So you shoot

Then get your melee or spam your grenades

[paper grove]

many thxs

[noble epoch]

No

Don’t

Thats

Silly

Use the thing with headshots

You can walk, headshot and then repeat

Way more mobile

@paper grove

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon This weapon set.. it is absolute purgatory

[glacial marlin]

So do you think hellbore will be good after patch.

[paper grove]

thing with headshots?

[tacit sonnet]

yes

Lucius is already pretty good

Always was

It just takes years to swap

[hollow ibex]

Wonder how the swap time will be now

[glacial marlin]

Yeah i hated that swap speed made unplayable for me

[faint beacon]

Around 1 second and supposedly .8 with OM

[glacial marlin]

Whats it at now feels like years in the middle of combat

[faint beacon]

1.5 iirc

[glacial marlin]

It feels longer

[heavy rover]

I hope so, I've been wanting to make a dedicated "sniper" build

[glacial marlin]

I like to swap weapons a lot i dont trust my friends to kill priority target’s.

[heavy rover]

pretty much the same for me. My vet playstyle is basically focused on anti-ranged and anti-specialist

I want the helbore to be good so I can stack armourbane brittleness during havoc

[hollow ibex]

I guess that's a lot better

[gilded wraith]

Which weapons open a bulwark with 1 shot still?

[austere mica]

Agri shotgun slugs
Thammer activation
Plasma charge shot (???)
Bolter with a lot of building

Crusher activation

Force weapon push attack

[gilded wraith]

Slug can do it in 1? Is that base, or with lots of buffs?

[austere mica]

Base

Agri slugs are terrifying

[gilded wraith]

I need to try that out again, I thought it changed with the new enemy stagger values.

[austere mica]

Second deadliest projectile in the game I think

[gilded wraith]

You are completely correct. Where in the world did I get that thought stuck in my head.

[unreal nova]

Just hilariously clunky thus low tier.

[manic badger]

If an ogryn looks in their general direction they do a full spread eagle.

But also shout works you can also jump and special with the dueling sword to hit their head and that will do it. Bolt pistol with close range det does it.

Well the dueling sword thing will work until they completely gut the weapon in a month or two

[austere mica]

Praying on its downfall

[manic badger]

Something else will just take its place for people to complain about

[austere mica]

Yeah but DS actually warrants complaining

[manic badger]

People will just macro the combat knife combos, has all the same absurdity just significantly harder to use

[arctic rampart]

Ogryn is rare still AFAIKT, but I barely play this game now. I think I had 2 ogryns once in the last 50 games? Shitloads of vets and then zealots

[manic badger]

Nah everyones playing it bc it’s busted

[maiden wasp]

fake news

[arctic rampart]

So ogryn & pyskers are not uncommon now?

[manic badger]

That’s probably the two best havoc classes

[arctic rampart]

Lemme pop into a game I bet there's at least 1 other vet

[maiden wasp]

i see ogryns more than any other class anymore

[arctic rampart]

I don't see them much in maelstroms

[maiden wasp]

i do

maby it's a region thing

[arctic rampart]

I'm in us-west but I think it goes to us-anywhere typically

[maiden wasp]

idk what to tell you, i see them all the time, honestly i see vets the least

[arctic rampart]

I dont play much these days, so thats probably it

[maiden wasp]

that'd probably do it

[arctic rampart]

lemme join one now.. zer ogryn

[midnight totem]

quick question for power sword users

[hollow ibex]

I see ogryns and psykers all the time in NA West

And then sometimes a zealot or vet shitter

[arctic rampart]

vet shitter reporting for duty

[midnight totem]

If, power sword was changed to say, have two energized swings inherent, and power cycler changed to give only one additional energized swings at all levels, what bonus would you think power cycler should give (besides the current impact on energized swings increase)

[hollow ibex]

Idk what the point of that change would be tbh

[midnight totem]

To make power sword less dependent on power cycler

move some of that inherent power back to the weapon, rework power cycler blessing itself

[hollow ibex]

Eh i think the dependency is very much intended as a blessing tax

[midnight totem]

Yes that's the case now, but if it wasn't

[hollow ibex]

And even with the tax it's the strongest vet melee lol

[midnight totem]

you get what I'm trying to say?

just spitballing ideas

[unreal nova]

The blessing is to balance how strong it is though.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

I'd be more interested to see a heat mechanic instead but idk if that'll happen

If it does, PS damage would almost certainly have to be nerfed

[unreal nova]

And if you think it's bad, you just have dueling sword brainrot.

[midnight totem]

I'm also just trying to get it buffed xD

[unreal nova]

Thing is, it doesn't need a buff. Just QoL.

[iron marten]

Good old days when psword had 2 charged swings and 7 charged swings with power cycler

Or 6 if you did lights

[pseudo fiber]

I can 1 up your 7

[faint beacon]

The ye olden power fantasy

honestly its good it was removed

[pseudo fiber]

Game got review bombed over it 💀

[slim pagoda]

is there a reason not to pick survivalist?

[pseudo fiber]

Better pathing for other builds/grenades

[unreal nova]

You need points to cope with the crazy taxes vet pays.

[pseudo fiber]

tbf close and kill is pretty good

[slim pagoda]

was in a game with a shout vet and we were both fighting for ammo packs

but he wasn't survivalist

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/soy-boy-dance-wojak-soy-boy-dance-wojak-dance-gif-18280425537641283765

[slim pagoda]

and im thinking here whats the point

[unreal nova]

Point taxes.

Zig Zagging is REALLY expensive.

[iron marten]

Holy shit

[frank basin]

that's the old blessing before long ago unlocked and loaded

[iron marten]

Yooo they're adding ignore stagger reduction to helbore bayos

[iron marten]

Ya I know, I played during and after the beta

[pseudo fiber]

no that was a bug ghahahah

when the mk6 power sword released it had infinitely active heavies for like a week

[iron marten]

Helbore buffer time special input from 0.2 to 0.4

I cry

[arctic rampart]

add 9000 meter range to power sword arc https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11131/111316840/6795243-9574926595-giphy.gif

[midnight totem]

Yes

add space marine 2 power whirl and power rake to power sword

[pseudo fiber]

The funniest space marine 2 post was what people were like "Does the buffed heavy attack damage include power rake and power whirl?" and saber was like "Idk lol"

[weak lark]

Anybody else use the DB shotgun? I've been finding it to be pretty good

[hollow ibex]

yes

it's fun, good and actually not op

a very rare combination in this game lmfao

[weak lark]

I'm playing Arbites early with it lol, I got the DB and the shockmaul

It's so fun just rolling down the hallway with the speedload and both barrels blessings just annihilating everything infront of you

[hollow ibex]

you haven't used DB until you've tried manstopper + flechette, with always prepared / WS

[noble epoch]

Idk if it’s real but if it is

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

Im praying someone just made shit up

[void dragon]

DS and plasma masacre 🍿

[void dragon]

do you know if there was any change to ogryn in that?

[unreal nova]

Might be made up stats though. Until FS actually announces it on the forums, it might just be so.

[hybrid island]

I do see this but only in Chinese

[unreal nova]

Because if it's so, does that mean we can now parry with DS?

[hybrid island]

Quite funny that it only shows these in CN version but not in other language

[warm kettle]

What exactly about it was getting nerfed again? I do like me some parries

Oh nvm Im reading now sry

That's a lot of nerfs! I never messed with the duelling sword much

[loud belfry]

6 NIGHTS???

FNAF CONFIRMED??

[hybrid island]

Only for DS, Uncanny now is 60% rending at 5 stacks instead of 120%

I don't think it is finalized otherwise they'd posted this in other languages as well, but we shall see

[warm kettle]

I feel like the parry thing might be legit, as it sounds in line with the style of a duelling sword

Also not hijacking the convo honest, but is there a 'right' way to use smoke grenades? They ALMOST seemed usable when I was shepherding a friend in heresy difficulty but I think I'm ditching them after I get my penance

[unreal nova]

I think their chinese translator leaked something that isn't fully finalised. Someone might be in trouble.

[warm kettle]

We'll know in a week anyway

[hybrid island]

Throw it where you wanna position yourself, more useful in Havoc because the ranged

[unreal nova]

Throw at ranged enemies, throw at where you plan to go, throw at rodin.

[warm kettle]

Ah cool, based on the achievement I gaslit myself into throwing it at melee packs

[unreal nova]

Yes, the last thing is the most hilarious use of it. Breaks Rodin's AI completely.

[warm kettle]

I'll consider keeping it because my other build uses kraks

[loud belfry]

they really use "6 nights" as a time measurement?

[hybrid island]

Long time ago I also saw a video where you can deploy smoke and stand at the edge of its circle of effect to block BoN

[unreal nova]

You basically delete him from the fight as long as smoke is up.

[echo bronze]

Lmaoooo use it while you can

[hybrid island]

Then the beast's pathfinding glitched and stopped moving

[warm kettle]

Funky

I'll experiment with that

[sonic kayak]

Smokes are used in two ways: Throw them at where you want to go and stand it in to shut off ranged enemy attacks, as well as Trappers needing to run up directly in front of you to trap, and dogs will circle around the smoke. The second way is to throw smoke at ranged enemies holed up, which will make them reposition

[warm kettle]

Ohh, so those short 'ranged' enemies are countered by it

And also a baby version of a barrier shield

[sonic kayak]

Melee is unaffected

Yeah pretty much

[warm kettle]

Duly noted, I was trying to use it for melee units

[unreal nova]

Thing is, melee enemies aren't as affected. Also, if it's a reaper or gunner, move after the smoke pops. They will still keep shooting at where you were. Smoke is bad if you have crazy ping though.

[warm kettle]

My connections usually alright

And I guess that makes sense for gunners since they're doing suppressing fire basically anyway

[sonic kayak]

Smoke can be useful and I usually only use it in Havoc

But you can never go wrong with frags which is why people say they're the best

They simply work all the time

[warm kettle]

My primary build is an exe stance target focusing gun guy with kraks

And I kinda wanna keep smokes on my stabby build just for variety

I'm glad to know they have some actual viable use in higher difficulties... As long as im actually using them on the right units

[unreal nova]

It could use a little buffs, but generally they are just a niche thing.

[sonic kayak]

Just remember that if you bring smokes, you have no buffer for melee

Frags, you can use them for everything and everyone

[warm kettle]

My buffer for melee is punching chaos in the peenor

[sonic kayak]

Very good

[warm kettle]

I'll considee frags tho, if this doesn't pan out

Frankly I'm addicted to krak

[sonic kayak]

Now, when we take Havoc into consideration, they especially help with the random shooters hiding behind crates and Not-Rodin

They shut off Not-Rodin because he does not have melee attacks

[warm kettle]

Yeah that's one place this build is lacking... So that may come in handy

[unreal nova]

I did say Smoke breaks Rodin AI.

[sonic kayak]

You did, I'm re-iterating

[unreal nova]

Is hilarious with grenade tinkerer shutting him down for as long as the smoke lasts.

[sonic kayak]

Meanwhile I'm still waiting on your story a week later smh

[unreal nova]

So just throw another after 25 secs if you somehow fail to kill Rinda.

[warm kettle]

I personally only splash in the grenade regen, partially because sharing nades is rough!

Unupgraded kraks are still bastards

[unreal nova]

Look, I was mostly joking about it. I'm better at writing prompts than actual stuff.

[faint beacon]

If this is true this is so fucking peak lmao

the braindead have fallen and plasma has genuinely turned into a tool that isn't an extreme point and click adventure

[stiff glacier]

Hell yea shotty buffs

[crude fiber]

seems like theyre changing it from a mindless left click 1 shot machine into a shitty stagger tool/ terrible ammo economy 1 shot tool. assuming those notes are real

[tall torrent]

yooooooo these changes actually good

[true jackal]

I mean the changes might end up being real, but it isn't coming out this patch, pretty sure that is confirmed

[void dragon]

really? what's your veredict? the weapons are useful still?

[quartz girder]

they seem pretty cool from what i see

[void dragon]

Since they are gonna change the combat shotguns, someone has (full/semi) serious builds for them?

[tall torrent]

basically
maniac dmg nerfed (now needs maniac perk to 1hs flamers)
base dmg nerfed (gunner 1hs breakpoint is the same, but since u don't have flak, u can't 1 bodyshot shotgunners)

charge shot ammo cost changed, not sure what exactly new value is but should be lower than it currently is

[noble epoch]

https://i0.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/revere.jpg?fit=723%2C504&ssl=1

[hollow ibex]

don't get your hopes up too much lol

none of it counts until it's on live

[tall torrent]

actually uh

[quartz girder]

or until a cm confirms

[tall torrent]

that dmg nerf is pretty big

[hollow ibex]

and there's a reason why these aren't publicized

[tall torrent]

700~1400 nerfed to 800~1000

that's for both firing modes

[hollow ibex]

it could be that they were going to make these changes, and went back to the drawing board

[tall torrent]

did they think it through

[noble epoch]

Vro

It’s fatshark

What do you think

[tall torrent]

every other change in buffs seemed pretty good

[crude fiber]

well they did want to bring focus to the charged mode lol. charged shot only now

[hybrid island]

I think they better make an announcement to explain why something was posted in CN only but not other languages

[void dragon]

Seems that the ammo cost is less, so maybe that's the way to encourage using the charge shots?

[tall torrent]

not super sure

cuz charge shots' change isn't big

[noble epoch]

Someone prolly is in trouble

[tall torrent]

ammo cost reduction
unyielding ADM buff
unarmored ADM buff

[crude fiber]

max charge cost seems the same but scales better. not a 5 cost minimum from what i could tell

[tall torrent]

the only plasma nerf I'm unsure abt is the 700~1400 change to 800~1000

uncanny strike nerf for DS is not hard enough

[void dragon]

Will they actually make Plasma gun unusable? Is that legal?

[tall torrent]

I don't think unusable

just

more headshot dependent than before = good imo

and charge shots worth using situationally

[unreal nova]

Or have to actually charge shot now.

[sonic kayak]

I knew it

[faint beacon]

Added the fact theoretically special was changed

and its only a buff to psyker

LMAO

another billion buffs to psyker

cause they whine enough they get anything they want

[quartz girder]

500 more buffs to psyker

[void dragon]

Jealous sparkheads are superior to regular mortals

[tall torrent]

u need to read more carefully

[sonic kayak]

Psykers are very weak so they need all they can get

[quartz girder]

i have no idea how much power level multipliers do exactly

[midnight wyvern]

Psykers worst class

[faint beacon]

Not even by a mile

[midnight wyvern]

Off to the Astronomicon with you

[tall torrent]

yea, worst for game's health

[midnight wyvern]

Unironically though, what is even the "weakest"

[void dragon]

Veteran

[quartz girder]

vet cause no 2 hander melee

[midnight wyvern]

Psyker feels great, vet probably less so than ogryn or zealot

[faint beacon]

Its Veteran cause of it being a BP based class but being outdated

[crude star]

BP?

[midnight wyvern]

Bp?

[tall torrent]

veteran

[faint beacon]

so Psyker and Ogryn can shut them down

Breakpoint

[crude star]

ah

[void dragon]

Ogryn is op currently so that's not surprising

[midnight wyvern]

Aw yep

[faint beacon]

you need to instantly kill things to get value on veteran

you cant when psyker nukes the map

[midnight wyvern]

Funny smiker build

[faint beacon]

I dont really need to explain Ogryn

all human classes understand its

very overpowered

[midnight wyvern]

Big man do big man things now, that's nice

[faint beacon]

just of the 3 classes that are human Psyker is the strongest hands down

[void dragon]

Someone has been using Combat shotguns have some builds for the weapon? Want to have some help on it to try the changes once they go live

[faint beacon]

I doubt Arbites will be able to compete with Psyker

[midnight wyvern]

Zealot is just so safe I feel like, when playing that compared to vet or psyker

[faint beacon]

but I know they'll be able too with Vet and Zealot easily

similar playstyle to them

[midnight wyvern]

They say they cooldown on the charge will be the lowest in the game so I just hope they also have good cooldown reduction talents to go with it, does no damage but free big CC with a quick cooldown is neat

[true jackal]

it makes a melee attack at the end though iirc

a singular one

[midnight wyvern]

Huan

[tall torrent]

no, arbitrator is a top 3~4 class

[void dragon]

feel that the arbites with be our 2nd tank class, even if it seems will be able to spec on shotgunner

[faint beacon]

Yeah thats what I was saying

its gonna be either better than Zealot and Vet, or somewhere between them

[midnight wyvern]

I'm down for it

[faint beacon]

no way in hell

[hot wedge]

ogryn with a bolt pistol

[faint beacon]

is it gonna be able to compete with current Ogryn

[hot wedge]

gonna be lit

[faint beacon]

or Psyker

[void dragon]

same, love tanks, reason why i main ogryn (less now because...you know...)

[unreal nova]

2-3 if anything. Don't think it'll be worse than zel.

Vet still dead last.

[faint beacon]

because an actual toddler could play Ogryn in Auric?

[midnight wyvern]

It's just so dumb as ogryn to be able to taunt half the map and just not take damage while stagger chaining anything smaller than a monstrosity

Or just bonk them with a pickaxe

[unreal nova]

You can stagger chain bosses as well if you willing to tryhard or cheat.

Cheat is macro.

[midnight wyvern]

Wut

[void dragon]

Its quite depressing seeing my ole class that was so hard to make the most of it being used by an actual bonehead that doesnk know where is the enemy

[faint beacon]

recall they removed this

ages ago

and then it returned

again

istfg we cant have nice things

[midnight wyvern]

You can just heavy attack and punch chaos spawns with the shovel lol

[void dragon]

ogryn used to be about being strongest, but these dont even want to protect humies

[unreal nova]

Skitarii mod with bully club to spam light and special.

[faint beacon]

being able to literally trivilize all boss encounters

is incredibly poor game design

[midnight wyvern]

Pretty sure I've seen someone stagger chaining a Plogryn with the slap

[unreal nova]

You can basically kill it fast without taking damage.

[faint beacon]

its why I avoid Rumbler Ogryns and Smykers also

if you can actively turn the game off

I dont want to play with you

[unreal nova]

Cspawn as well.

[midnight wyvern]

Why rumbler ogryns?

[faint beacon]

Hitmass Ignore

[frank basin]

Galeo new pfp

[unreal nova]

Only BoN is immune because BoN.

[faint beacon]

kills everything

[midnight wyvern]

Interesting

[faint beacon]

its smite but actually kills everything

dont play it

[midnight wyvern]

And I'm guessing the gun ability?

[faint beacon]

its beyond braindead

and a huge bad habit

no you can just play it on base Ogryn

LMAO

[midnight wyvern]

Lol

[faint beacon]

BLO and Glugger if you really want to make everyone instantly leave

cause its just that unfun to be paired with

[hollow ibex]

• It's a massive ammo sink. Every rumblergryn I've seen takes 2x or 3x the ammo of the next person on the team.
• It takes no skill to play (duh, it's a noob tube)
• It destroys literally everything. It's a gun that counters everything for 0 effort.
• It's obnoxious as fuck to the rest of the team when everything is constantly exploding.
• It trivializes and turns off the game for the rest of the team.

So, it's basically an overpowered, obnoxious weapon that turns off the game for everyone around you, while encouraging you to play like a selfish cunt. In other words, you're a worse teammate than fucking smykers.

[frank basin]

So rumbler ogryn can’t stagger eaten BoN?

To spit it out?

[void dragon]

me who actually save ammo with back off so lil humes take ammo when playing grenadier ogryn

[faint beacon]

The rumbler copypasta on standby

[void dragon]

"YOU wiskersnappers know no how ogryn had it hard"

[faint beacon]

but yeah thats a summary

[frank basin]

Ogryn weapon is really space marine sized

[midnight wyvern]

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty rare to see a rumblergryn not being a fucking cunt to their team

[unreal nova]

Worse than DS spam, at least those kill one by one.

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah

forgot to mention

a good chunk of Rumbler Ogryns

[hollow ibex]

btw if you're using a rumbler as a sidearm, that's perfectly fine

[frank basin]

Space marine sized weapon destroy everything

[faint beacon]

are usually incredibly ego headed or toxic as hell

LMAO

[hollow ibex]

it's the ones that are constantly just spamming nades that are the ones we hate around here

[void dragon]

ogryn was about being the stronges, that also meant strongest to be the fredlyest

[midnight wyvern]

Should play with me, I apparently do not understand how the gun works haha, I just used it to stagger some stuff and help with ogryns, the 1 shot on reapers was nice but that was it

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/1eAy9THNnyE?si=LDFporbDcyY6ZHYN

[midnight wyvern]

Didn't realise it was insane

[hollow ibex]

that's fine

[faint beacon]

Its because when a ludicrously overpowered class drops

every

[unreal nova]

Yep. Cos they do the most so...

[faint beacon]

single

Toxic POS

flocks to it

everytime

[hollow ibex]

it's usually rumblergryns running point blank barrage + BLO keystone

[void dragon]

and THAT is why i hate it, love me ogryn, not what they turned it

[hollow ibex]

i see one of those, i default to takinga ll the ammo on the map before anyone else can take it

[faint beacon]

its why I honestly have respect for like weaker class mains

mainly cause they clearly put the effort in to master weaker classes

which makes them WAY better at the game

[midnight wyvern]

Vet mains rise up

[frank basin]

I remember the ogryn call teammate “rtad”

[faint beacon]

its why I encourage playing weaker classes more so you learn better habits

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-cute-cute-smile-cat-smile-gif-3506344065033604903

[faint beacon]

My ass might main Arbites

depending on what it offers

idk

you might see Vet main Gale become an Arbites Main

[midnight wyvern]

I have mained Vet without even knowing it was a weaker class lmao

[hollow ibex]

our bites looks promising

[faint beacon]

but its gonna take a lot

[hot wedge]

i played a lot of ogryn after the reowrk and now going back to human classes has been a wild ride

[faint beacon]

to make me shift over

[midnight wyvern]

Just because I like bolter and wanted to make it gun

[frank basin]

It has impact grenade smaller radius and shock grenade smaller radius and mastiff emp shock

[unreal nova]

So you play better class then?

[hot wedge]

weird having to actually dodge and block again

[faint beacon]

I like FK in VT2

[midnight wyvern]

Unga bunga

[faint beacon]

they showed one of the branches being literally FK

Yes my brain is instantly going to orbit towards that

[true jackal]

SER KRUBER

[frank basin]

Shield basher FK

[hot wedge]

IM A BLOODY BATTERING RAM I AM

[midnight wyvern]

Give arbites temp hp like from VT2

[faint beacon]

IM A BLOODY BATTERING RAM THATS WHAT I AM

[unreal nova]

I just throw 'nades and forget about ammo. Regen everything good for hed.

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713003507028066324/919619321490190467/1639233368_sir_krubwr.gif

[faint beacon]

FOR KARL FRANZ AND BLOODY SIGMAR

[hot wedge]

calmest kruber experience

[faint beacon]

What the 50+ Skaven Slave horde sees when my purple bar became full

[midnight wyvern]

My build is existing to vaporise bosses when I see them, it just so happens it's good at everything else other than hunting grounds lol

[faint beacon]

I play Greatsword FK before you ask

though I might eventually pick up shield FK again

[frank basin]

My first gameplay on vt2 as main BH

[faint beacon]

cause that shit is also hilarious

[midnight wyvern]

Love me bolta

[dapper vessel]

I frames on dodge really brainrots a player

[crude star]

arbites just needs a dog for me to main it

[faint beacon]

Tbh dog tree might be

really fucking strong

there's a talent where hound gives brittleness

pair that with a bleed weapon and yeah

[frank basin]

You be like “Go my minion, kill them” voiced ClapTrap

[faint beacon]

Brittle Bleed which is known to be stupid strong

[midnight wyvern]

I played sienna, realised how busted it was, tried whatever the archers name is, realised it was easy and went to FK/Holy knight saltz

Shield and mace my brain-dead friends

[faint beacon]

Unchained Sienna........

[unreal nova]

Heh. But yeah, is just the class least taxing on my number OCD.

[tall torrent]

brittleness is mad overrated

[frank basin]

I like pyromancer crits build

[faint beacon]

Most respectful Sienna gameplay

[frank basin]

With dagger

[frank basin]

So why brittleness was not get spotlight in past?

[midnight wyvern]

I was trying out psyker as I felt it was my weakest class last night, and that was fun. Using smite to actual good effect feels and looks cool

[frank basin]

Like Rending is main top #1 buff

[midnight wyvern]

Takes too long to apply?

16 max stacks on brittleness blessings usually, 5 for uncanny

[unreal nova]

That is just EK spam for me. Low peril gen, spam at 60-90 peril.

[faint beacon]

how to make your team hate you

Smite EK spam

[frank basin]

Can opener ogryn give 16 max instantly but feel like people call as gimmick. Onslaught veteran any fast fire rate weapon build stack quickly

[crude star]

i hope i can make my dog explode a lot and stuff

[faint beacon]

Excuse me

[hot wedge]

the dog will be detonated

[midnight wyvern]

Noted

[crude star]

remote detonation

[frank basin]

Borderland the dog, once dog explode it materialize back from Hyperion cost some Ordo Dockets

[faint beacon]

Deploying Soviet Anti-Tank Dogs

LMAO

[crude star]

it seems to be more like the dog just lets out a big shock blast from its body, emp bomb or something

[midnight wyvern]

Maybe not enough targets it's beneficial on? I have no idea genuinely, I know a fair few people don't use penetrating flames on inferno staff because you get more often use out of taking other things like blaze away

[dapper vessel]

sdhouldve seen the Japanese with their anti tank toilet plunger

[midnight wyvern]

Blaze away also stacks on primary fire which is a tiny bit goofy

[hot wedge]

on flame staff you just swap to your DS and build uncanny stacks which affect your flames

[faint beacon]

Oh I know about that

[midnight wyvern]

Lol

That I didn't know

Fart shart jank

[hot wedge]

its stupid and i dont like it lmao

[crude star]

ds is kind of a lame meta. I ain't even the kinda guy who hates things for being meta, but the meta at least has to be cool or involved.

[midnight wyvern]

Is that more effective than setting a room on fire and EP smiting the planet?

[crude star]

kinda how apparnetly plasma gun just uses spam fire instead of charge..

[faint beacon]

a lot of stupid things you can do with Psyker such as

using Puncture on Bolt Pistol to make FGS beam apply bleed

or Assail shards apply bleed

[frank basin]

Spaghetti coded

[midnight wyvern]

Can't you also just spam the FGS blade to spam bleed everything

[crude star]

anyway, combat blade or tac axe on my veteran??

[faint beacon]

its why im happy with how Plasma might be getting changed

[faint beacon]

yes

[hot wedge]

combat axe

[frank basin]

I run plasma and Taxe

[faint beacon]

it just does little damage outside of the bleed

[midnight wyvern]

Is that as busted as it sounds?

[faint beacon]

Probably not

[midnight wyvern]

Sadge

[hollow ibex]

i tried that. it's feasible

[frank basin]

Bleed dmg too low?

[faint beacon]

Low damage low cleave at 0 meter

[hollow ibex]

not worth it though

[crude star]

I see. I would never run plasma for the entirely silly reason that it is braced and not ADS

[hollow ibex]

it's so sweaty

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

constantly swapping

charging

throwing off warp attack

swapping

quelling

swapping

etc.

[midnight wyvern]

You can get a sight for it with the customisation mod but it's so jank

[hollow ibex]

the damage isn't actually that great

[frank basin]

If you run braced autogun I run axes, Taxe give you quickly mobilize on combat, knife was once hated as uncanny strike meta killing crusher very quick

[faint beacon]

I mean thats fair but seeing they're making M1 more of a kill lower end Specials and Elites and M2 as a "Nuke this guy immediately" button that pierces armor, etc, and also has the danger of blowing up on you?

aka making you manage it a lot more

all for this

might actually see me play plasma

[midnight wyvern]

I'd love to experience and experiment with more dumb psyker builds, only just yesterday tried out a silly smiker build and that's great fun

[crude star]

maybe, i wonder how quickly i'll swap to arbites

[midnight wyvern]

On release

[frank basin]

In few days

[faint beacon]

Right side is apparently Stagger based

or well

kinda

[crude star]

hopefully i am not having these money troubles still

[faint beacon]

Im just assuming its gonna be 40K Footknight

and thus

im playing it

[frank basin]

Taxe got nice special tap on headshot give human-sized stagger

[midnight wyvern]

Yup

I don't think the dog looked too impressive

But an extra bro around is neat

[faint beacon]

I have 0 interest in dog

[frank basin]

Go solo

[midnight wyvern]

Though, they could have no talents on

[faint beacon]

its cool

[crude star]

i'm gonna be dogging it up

[faint beacon]

but im taking the talent "Lone Wolf" I think its called

[warped tartan]

considering i run plasma and dueling sword, i feel called out on with the recent "too look at" notes

[midnight wyvern]

I am interested in the charge ability

[faint beacon]

where you toss the dog for buffs

[midnight wyvern]

And the electric traps

[warped tartan]

I might need to start grinding some different weapons...

[hot wedge]

for me its Robocop stance

[faint beacon]

Its good its happening

[hot wedge]

just gonna walk down the street blasting perps

[midnight wyvern]

Plasma duelling sword when

[faint beacon]

cause they're both very easy to pick up and not interactive

[frank basin]

Me judge Dredd

[faint beacon]

Wasn't it an AOE Buff

I didn't check

[midnight wyvern]

Them saying they want to raise the skill ceiling of DS is cool

[faint beacon]

if it was Self or AOE

[warped tartan]

it doesnt help that they're some of the only weapons that are viable in havoc that actually do something lol

[true jackal]

tank mode, aoe buff and charge are the 3

[faint beacon]

cause if its AOE thats fucking insane

[hot wedge]

thats the flaoting vox caster thing

[crude star]

it's the entire reason i am interested in taking the class, that damn dog. I'll be doing some mix of dog + short-range gun tree, depending on stuff. I'll likely do the nuncia + remote detonate, then... then..uhh.... idk we don't know anything about the keystones, right?

[faint beacon]

Veteran + Arbites might be fucking insane

for like hunkering in a spot and killing everything

[frank basin]

Veteran will supply ammo to Arbites

[midnight wyvern]

Bet

[crude star]

castigator is self buff. nuncia is the aoe buff, and is also an aoe debuff

[faint beacon]

Vet with ammo and VOC and arbites with the CC and DR

[tall torrent]

nah they're not

[warped tartan]

i should specific

when running with public havoc teams that dont know how to work together to save their lives

[frank basin]

Dream team

[narrow frost]

what.

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/brutus-warden-hellhounds-blood-of-the-dead-black-ops-4-zombies-gif-2084863795790353014

Ainz coming from the fog to explain why you can use anything in Havoc

[frank basin]

All of time player are tend to focus themselves killing and sometimes assist teammate like invisible

[crude star]

atm i am just getting my psyker to 30 before going back to veteran

[stiff glacier]

I mostly wish to know will arbites be sharing weapon pool with other classes like lasgun and such

[tall torrent]

the english version of patch notes still doesn't include DS and plasma

[true jackal]

presumably they'll share most of it

[crude star]

most likely

[midnight wyvern]

At all? Or the changes?

[warped tartan]

they're at the bottom are they not

i read them in the english notes

so they must be there lol

[crude star]

they don't have the details, and they don't seem to be happening at the same time

[hot wedge]

duelling sword arbites incoming

[frank basin]

So arbite get new weapon and how ya level them up? Dump currency money mats sacrifice or play casually level up naturally?

[tall torrent]

wdym

[midnight wyvern]

Duelling sword and shield arbites

[warped tartan]

they seem kind of antithical to each other

im more interested in seeing what weapons the arbites have other than the shotgun

[midnight wyvern]

There is 2 notes at the bottom for them, talking about them but I'm wondering what you mean lol

[warped tartan]

Bolter obv as well

[midnight wyvern]

They're there, but maybe not how you mean

[warped tartan]

Wouldnt it be neat to have a webgun

Something that slows down or potentially paralises on alternative

[midnight wyvern]

Was about to say they have the sticky arc grenade but that's helldivers

[stiff glacier]

Scoped revolver from kill team

Or sniper shotgun

Would be funny

[frank basin]

Using agripinna Cshotgun and weapon customization slap scope on top

[torpid hound]

So are the hellbore changes gonna fix the god awful sights?

[frank basin]

No clue, remedy rn is weapon customization

[torpid hound]

I thought weapon custom was still very broken?

[void dragon]

what sights you use for your helbore?

[midnight wyvern]

Broken?

[frank basin]

Reflexes

[frank basin]

It isn’t

It got updated frequent

[torpid hound]

Nonfunctional

[void dragon]

iirc there are 2 types of those

[frank basin]

I put exterminatus gaze on uhhhh Mk12 lasgun infantry

Kantreal it is?

[barren girder]

is that vet guide in the pins updated?

[frank basin]

The one like this [+]

[slow spade]

I still use Weapon Customization

[slow spade]

there hasn't been an update that really impacted vet in months

you're good

[frank basin]

@void dragon I think the reflexes sight is the arch shape

I don’t remember

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor guide is the one you want

[frank basin]

Either the arch shape or the [+]

[slow spade]

I use the Kantreal mk4 sights

it's the one with the funny arch

[void dragon]

the kantrael might be

[barren girder]

thanks!

[frank basin]

Kantreal or what’s the middle lasgun reflexes sight name?

[tall torrent]

eng ver of 1.8 balance pass is aligned with forums post and doesn't include the supposed duelling sword and plasma changes in detail

[void dragon]

the arch one is the one from the Inf lasguns

[frank basin]

Yeah that

[slow spade]

Revolver survives another balance pass

[frank basin]

I put on helbore

[slow spade]

yeah the kantreal mk4 sights

[frank basin]

I should open the game show it

[slow spade]

it's my go-to sight

[frank basin]

@void dragon nvm it's a laspistol sight

[slow spade]

that one is good too

honestly any of the Infantry lasguns are good sights

[frank basin]

martyr gaze on inf lasgun

[void dragon]

that one looks chonky

[frank basin]

i play crazy zoomy

[crude star]

how does this mod not get you in any trouble, it's surprising

[tall torrent]

I don't think they'll nerf it at this point

[frank basin]

is cosmetic for client-side only

nobody can see it

@void dragon graia vigil

[slow spade]

the funny 1-tap machine survives eternally UwU

[slow spade]

it seems as long as it doesn't affect players, you're effectively fine

as a 3rd person mod was around for a while

crab walking psykers used to be able to dodge spam across the map with that mod

[frank basin]

lovely carbine revolver

[slow spade]

yeah you can make some funky weapons with that mod

[weak lark]

Wow the new Arbites class is so fun.

[slow spade]

mass effect looking ass

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-bender-whoa-whoa-futurama-awooga-gif-21438507

[slow spade]

god I can't wait

DOG

[frank basin]

what Plugin MT you use?

i have old one

[weak lark]

The entire past week has just been me waiting for Arbites.

[slow spade]

not sure, this is a pic I pulled from someone else's build

[void dragon]

that's a cool one

[slow spade]

ikr, I like the impact nades c: I hope they have some grenade regen stuff

I just really want a demolition char :c

[frank basin]

damn

anyway, peashooter

[slow spade]

yeah the more creative folk on the Weapon Customization mod make some interesting stuff

[void dragon]

i still think Vet will be the grenadier class, Arbites can have fun with shields, shotguns and cyber dogos

[slow spade]

my favorite is putting the Helbore with a laspistol body

[slow spade]

I can hope :c

no grenade launcher for vet :c

[midnight wyvern]

Man that would actually get me to use plasma more lol

Looks sick

[unreal nova]

Only if it gets lethal prox and only if the lethal prox works on normal 'nades as well.

So I can go full on 'nadier.

[grand perch]

Not needed

[tame lodge]

What the moebian shooter do

😭

[neat stratus]

This is the only game thats genuinely easier solo

[little path]

easier solo?

[neat stratus]

Your team tends to have one player that goes 300m deep into the horde, dies, then both other players will rush to revive, die, and leave you with everything

Thats how every single pub goes when you're about to go solo in a full squad anyways

[little path]

Oh yeah. That's a certified zealot classic

[gilded wraith]

Have you read the Chinese version of the patch notes out of curiosity yet?

[weak lark]

Playing a bunch of havocs with genuinely good players then going back to standards has to be the worst experience in this game.

[neat stratus]

Probably so, sucks to see people that were taught they can go out as far as they want and die since the team will try to revive them

[weak lark]

Went on a crazy losing streak for a while because of shit exactly like that

Hunting ground mission and for some reason everyone is just allergic to each other so were never in the same room for more than 2 seconds

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

As @tall torrent said if you wanna have fun in pubs play like you’re solo

I believe Ainz would agree to dat too

I do

[warped tartan]

lemme just read the patch notes of a language i cant read real quick lol

[stable elk]

a big deal to current vet builds it seems, especially for higher difficulties

[warped tartan]

what does it actually say in the chinese notes that no one else has

[stable elk]

Not sure if fatshark will put it in the June update, however

[stable elk]

The specific nerfing of DS and plasma

Interestingly, they still have the "we haven't decided about the DS and plasma" part in the end of the patch note

[loud belfry]

the chinese bros helping us out

[nocturne mulch]

How to tank DH?

[loud belfry]

dodge a lot and block sometimes

[tropic notch]

Knife

And a stam regen delay node on your talent tree

[sharp epoch]

idk why theyre just nerfing vet weapons psyker staves and ogryn melees are just as broken

well ogryn in general

[void dragon]

Plasma had some balance issued for a while already, so it make sense, DS is a well known overtuned weapon, not exclusive to Vet.
As for the others, maybe ObeseFish is taking its time (as per usual) in regards to ogryn, it has a little too much damage so that's more of a perk tree correction SOON(TM), Rumbler is also an issue but is early for them to nerf it as it deserves

[crude star]

when was the ogryn rework

[void dragon]

March iirc

[crude star]

I see. also why does it feel like i am killing carapace so slowly with tac axe

[loud belfry]

because you are

[crude star]

: (

[gilded wraith]

And Purgatus?

[void dragon]

Because it has low caparace potential

[loud belfry]

ya

it will get a bit of a buff soon

[crude star]

i thought i saw something say it killed them fast, or am i misremembering something

[loud belfry]

combat axe does

in comparison, especially

[void dragon]

Beats me, I can only make speculation but prob they still don't figure a way to adjust the infinite cleave on that weapon

[unreal forge]

looks to me that they want to completely gut the plasma gun and entirely take away its novelty and identity

[void dragon]

Like it had one to begin with, remind me how often people use the charge part of it

[tropic notch]

I think it’s fine you can’t be fully brain dead with it it

[unreal forge]

it absolutely has one even if they messed up by making the M1 too powerful

[tropic notch]

I really hope they just leave psyker alone

[narrow frost]

Plasma getting addressed, billions must perish

[unreal forge]

I'm just wondering, is the alt-fire going to suffer from the cleave and terrain penetration reduction?

[tropic notch]

It’s supposed to stun and cc?

Ohh nvm plasma

Sorry oops

[unreal forge]

I'm fine with the M1 getting nerfed but is the M2 also going to feel pathetic? I would hate to see the cleave, terrain penetration and stagger get entirely gutted.

[grand perch]

who knows all they said is they will look at it

[unreal forge]

the changes were leaked in the chinese devblog, here

[gilded wraith]

Maybe if we tell the devs we want to pet it in the Morningstar we can get a helbore scope?

[void dragon]

Remember that changes in those sometimes change from what ends being in the actual patch, so nothing is definitive yet

[grand perch]

exactly

it might just the state they tried out and playtested, then decided not to implement it. otherwise it wouldve been in the english blog

[faint beacon]

NO ITS RUINED FOREVER

AND TOTALLY NOT BEING REWORKED FOR HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO PLAY!!!!

[void dragon]

Hopium is that the charged mode ends being good for the weapon, making more use of the charged attack would really reflect the dangers of using plasma guns in Warhammer

You want to blow a hole on a gigantic slug demon? Time to gamble your skin like Psykers do!

[stiff cipher]

I have to use a different weapon GAME SUCKS

[void dragon]

Imagine having to use something non metal like shovel

[stiff cipher]

I never stoped using laz guns grunt supremacy hooah

[tropic notch]

Welcome back revlover

[void dragon]

Me who was delivering on my inner Doomguy with DBShotgun and now it also got buffed

[faint beacon]

M1 is literally lesser specials/elites
M2 being a "the wrath of god" fire mode

[stiff cipher]

I’m fine using a different gun every few months I don’t really care I just don’t like nerfs for nerfs sake

[void dragon]

M2 = hi crusher SEE YOU IN HELL!!

One thing that Im oddly sad is that no nerfs to ogryn, I really struggle to like playing stuff that has me in the back of my head thinking "this is OP" but I really liked to play ogryn

[faint beacon]

Gonna drop a truth nuke

anyone you see bitching about the DS and Plasma nerfs

are just ungodly bad at the game

They're extremely needed

[void dragon]

People crying psukers cant melee anymore blatantly unaware how spectacular FGS are

Not ever used the DS on psyker and I KNOW the class will still do wonders even in melee

[grand perch]

imagine plasma had tabletop rules and on average every sixth shot just blew you up

[void dragon]

The idea of gambling your head for powerful shots is the Warhammer experience, the fact that you can control it to make the machine spirit of your gun not kill you is also lore accurate and engaging

[unreal forge]

kinda sad that the shotguns are receiving only a 10% reload speed buff

expected a bigger number

[void dragon]

Paired with the reload when there is ammo on your gun could make them more comfortable to use

[tropic notch]

The only ds I liked on vet was mk5 but I’d just end up going back to the knife

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-family-guy-i-did-not-care-conversation-gif-19568330

[void dragon]

I wonder what will happen with each mk if the changes go live, will Mk5 DS be underpowered even for other weapon standards?

[tropic notch]

I do not care for the ds

Or plasma

[faint beacon]

its funny as hell cause they benefit the most

cause they have a class exclusive special

from the DS change

lmao

[gilded wraith]

I'll feel better about it when I see the Purgatus nerf as well honestly.

I think flame staff melting hordes let more people get away with running DS with it's horde clear and moebian modifiers.

[faint beacon]

Infinite cleave!

its a sin it exists!

Anyways if this is genuinely true hunker down come when they announce part 2

or the 23rd

cause this chat is going to flood with Veteran cope

[void dragon]

Sadge, I want to care because I want to be able to use those weapons without feeling the need to puke

[gilded wraith]

If they give me recon sites on my helbore and bump my cleave cap on the caxe I'll be happy.

[faint beacon]

It doesn't help Veteran does need help, but not in those areas

fucking hell

[void dragon]

No need for Arr-bee-test channel, veteran will be used for that

[tropic notch]

I mean won’t the evis have inf cleave soon

Next patch they’re gonna buff psyker again

[void dragon]

Not infinite, just not capped to 4 at max

[tropic notch]

Another buff to psyker

[tropic notch]

It’s getting uncapped

[gilded wraith]

?

Psyker?

[tropic notch]

Oh just read that wrong

[void dragon]

Empower Psyonics rework that makes it actually cool when?

[tropic notch]

I’m joking

[gilded wraith]

Ahhh, sorry. Sarcasm detection faults after midnight.

[tropic notch]

Tbh i wouldn’t mind it but still help vet with his passive toughness stuff and nerf oggy rumbler

[crude star]

i just wish veteran keystones were nice

[tropic notch]

?

[void dragon]

Ogryn nerfs will make me immensely happy tbh

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist is the best thing ever what

[crude star]

yeah and there are two other keystones

[faint beacon]

MMF is the weakest cause its extremely inconsistent with the gameplay loop

FT and WS are good

thats it

[void dragon]

Focus fire is kinda boring even if effective and marksman focus is...Sugar honey ice tea

[tropic notch]

Ws has just spoiled me

Ps or Rashad

Guh

Knife

Maybe a mk5 ds

Or a mk4 chainaxe

[void dragon]

Ps weapon specialist feels weird to need trigger the active, but I can't deny it's power

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's pretty insane

[crude star]

i just want MMF to stay up on movement but go down on miss or something, just anything that'll keep it up. Instead of staring at DD with jealousy. Something somthing.

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah tfw MMF is just worse DD

[void dragon]

MMF not giving any reward even when you are killing enemies with no weakspot kills will be its bane

DD even gives bonus to melee

[midnight wyvern]

I feel like I get the most active use with focus target compared to left side keystone, that one is weird, and I have yet to make a proper build with weapon specialist so I dunno about that one

Seen it be really good with double barrel

[void dragon]

MMF should give other buffs if it's gonna be ranged weapons buff only

[void dragon]

Can confirm WS with DB makes veteran a blender machine of destruction of any horde enemy, it's kinda excilarating

[midnight wyvern]

Yeah I think imma drop the Plasteel on it lol

[crude star]

i think i'd like to keep MMF ranged buff only, but just make it much stronger with reasonable source of upkeep

[midnight wyvern]

Remind me what MMF is?

[crude star]

marksman focus

[void dragon]

As for MMF, follow my example and don't get any build with it, reject it completely, embrace keystoneless builds over the lie that is MMF

[midnight wyvern]

[crude star]

that's what i've been doing

[midnight wyvern]

Ty

[grand perch]

the only good take regarding MMF

[grand perch]

hello
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f2da117-61ea-40f2-93d3-db15a89f95a0/lasgun-kills-armor-meme

im so MMF pilled i do shit like this

[crude star]

i kinda just made a psyker that ended up basically being my veteran loadout but stronger (squishier in return, I guess) (neither are anywhere close to meta I'm pretty sure) Why does voidstrike get to do more than my helbore

[midnight wyvern]

[midnight wyvern]

More like smellbore

Gottem

[crude star]

🥺

[midnight wyvern]

I love that gun, sounds so good too

[void dragon]

Hope that the Shock maul get into a good spot, want to make use of the weapon in some builds, including the Arbites F2P

[midnight wyvern]

I hope we get the sniper the snipers have

We won't

But I can hope