veteran-class

[versed osprey]

lol you gotta be aimbotting lmao

[nimble hazel]

Mortis is fun as shit though

[quiet valley]

You can probably pull the same numbers without Exec stance when the buff goes live

[nimble hazel]

Needs more maps and more buff archetypes

But it's fun

[hollow ibex]

I’m assuming they’ll get to it

[crude star]

all the weapons where you “cling” to enemies need a boost

[nimble hazel]

Make the cling suppress nearby chaff and that'll make 'em much more usable imo

[unreal nova]

I know. Is why it's fun for me. Sometimes, you just wanna feel like a god with a really dumb niche build.

[unreal forge]

I love my dogshit special attack that stuns me in place for 2 days just to do what the Duelling Sword does in half a second for free

[neon current]

well no

DS can't do what an evis can

[nimble hazel]

Sometimes you just wanna play Shrieker Psyker and set the world on fire

I feel it

[narrow frost]

Thank God they are nerfing ds

[unreal forge]

they are REWORKING ds

[neon current]

mk15 H1 revved does serious monster dmg

[unreal forge]

which is what I predicted

[neon current]

and is gonna do even more

[unreal forge]

it just has too much in its kit, a numbers nerf wouldn't suffice

[neon current]

if anything, evis buffs make tickle hammer even more pointless to use

[quiet valley]

Tac Axe is new DS replacement now

[void dragon]

The thing is that since is much more risky it SHOULD do more

[unreal forge]

how come

[neon current]

nah fam

[unreal forge]

tac axe is still dogshit cara damage no?

[quiet valley]

Mobile and kills Carapace, thats all DSIV did for me

[neon current]

martyr evis deletes weakened monsters, anything more and we are getting into trivialize range

[unreal nova]

Why I like it as is. You go there to do dumb things you won't even think of taking to aurics.

[void dragon]

Is the Eviscerator becoming the 4th mk of dueling sword?

[narrow frost]

Tactical axe did not need a buff

[neon current]

heavies are going from 25% to 50% carapace, and the overhead heavies are getting a dmg bump

[hollow ibex]

It’s not terrible even now tbh

[neon current]

taxe is gonna be the best all-rounder weapon in the game

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe new DS4.

[neon current]

mobility, dmg, stagger

[unreal forge]

God damn man

[nimble hazel]

Yeah, but it ain't phallic enough.

Major tacaxe L

[noble epoch]

True

[void dragon]

That's a scary prospect

[neon current]

it won't have OP dmg still, but it will have more than enough

[crude star]

what if mine was shaped like the taxe…

[narrow frost]

Always had enough damage

[nimble hazel]

Please see a doctor

Or a priest

Depends

[loud belfry]

[neon current]

yea, it has enough dmg as is

[unreal forge]

I just don't want to see everyone running the same 1 weapon every lobby

[neon current]

it's gonna be really good

[noble epoch]

You should probably visit a doctor then

[unreal forge]

what's the go-to tac axe mark?

[neon current]

but still not DS4 territory

[unreal nova]

Naw, then ppl be calling for it to be nerfed again.

[narrow frost]

2 or 7

[neon current]

tac7 for zealot, tac4 for vet is my bet

[narrow frost]

I mainly use 7

[neon current]

unles you don't need crit at all vs carapace

than just 7

because of the buffed H2

[narrow frost]

4 is only for light spamming

[neon current]

they are buffing the overhead

and the uppercut

[hollow ibex]

Heavies getting buffed though

[neon current]

which 4 has 2

[noble epoch]

The Chain axe and infantry las gun need a buff

[crude star]

at least taxe fits my soldier look much better than any DS could

[neon current]

but overall, 7 has the widest applicability

[serene bough]

i like the coming changes so far

[unreal nova]

But but but, light spam brainded. Gud for current DS4 spammers.

[serene bough]

i hope they tweak blessings a bit too

[quiet valley]

Yes but also Chainsword has been dead in the water for years now

[noble epoch]

True

[neon current]

if you can kill crushers quick enough without critting with that .5 ADM, than 4 is redundant most likely

[unreal nova]

Chain axe needed the same remove damage cap thing.

[void dragon]

That's why I'm hoping that Evi does a good work balancing, so we can have good chain swords next

[noble epoch]

True

[neon current]

give me uncapped chainaxe

the latching would still suck tho

[unreal nova]

So your cleave is capped by the actual cleave.

Instead of 0 damage after the third walker.

[neon current]

shred wrath evis15 is gonna go hard on havoc density

[unreal forge]

oh ok so the heavies on the tac axe are worse than lightspam vs. carapace

[neon current]

it already puts up respectable dmg martyrd

[unreal nova]

Just lightspam.

[void dragon]

Actually ripping and tearing

[unreal nova]

Who even heavies on the 4?

[neon current]

as of now yes, it needs crits to do dmg to carapace, after the buff, heavies will be fine

[nimble hazel]

People that accidentally hold down the click too long

[unreal nova]

That's a special lvl of skill issue.

[unreal forge]

is the heavy at least good for oneshotting specials?

[unreal nova]

GF complained it barely did more than lightspam but takes ages... so...

Takes ages compared to lightspamming.

[void dragon]

GF judged it unworthy, that's rough

[loud belfry]

I like that one taxe attack(s) that has like .001 cleave

[clever hedge]

SHOTGUN BUFFS LETS GO

[unreal forge]

i dont really see how the taxe will be better for armor then

[unreal nova]

Is good, just never heavy ever.

[neon current]

the fuck?

[unreal nova]

CRITS.

[unreal forge]

theyre only buffing the heavy attack damage on the taxes no?

[neon current]

you PA heavy the taxe

PA heavy with BM is your best hordeclear

lightspam is for carapace

tax is a PA weapon thru and thru

[unreal nova]

Normal heavy. Not PA heavy.

[neon current]

does heavy dmg, comes out quicker than

nop

you PA heavy

it's faster than heavy spam

[void dragon]

Karien is spreading misinformation?

[unreal nova]

Normal heavy sucks if you accidentally do it while lightspamming.

[neon current]

I don't lightspam taxes

unless carapace

[unreal forge]

I fail to see how it will be better than DS when the lightspam vs. armor isn't getting buffed?

am I stupid and genuinely missing something

[neon current]

it has better hordeclear and stagger than the DS

DS is getting nerfed also

eventually

[void dragon]

Nah, you not stoppid, that's me job

[neon current]

it does not have better single target dmg, nor will it

[unreal nova]

Even on the 4?

[neon current]

killing crushers is not the only measuring factor

[neon current]

I've made a HT shred 4 to lightspam on vet, that I don't use

[unreal forge]

the reaper/carapace/mutant breakpoints are the biggest for the DS4 imo the horde clear isn't exactly a huge determining factor

[neon current]

so theoretically yea, I'd lightspam that 😄

[unreal forge]

doesn't seem like taxe is getting any of those easy breakpoints

[neon current]

not if you abuse infinite cleave crutch

[hollow ibex]

I use Taxe 4 on vet

It’s ok

[neon current]

fuck breakpoints

who cares

[unreal forge]

but it's probably turning into a bully club or cleaver

[neon current]

it will be a super sold jack-of-all

without having to invest points for it

[unreal forge]

are BM and Headtaker the go-to blessings?

[unreal nova]

You do that on H40 anyway. All breakpoints out the window.

[unreal forge]

not Headtaker and Decimator?

[neon current]

exactly

HT BM on 2-7

HT + deci / shred on 4

[steep flower]

I use agile & headtaker; solid

[neon current]

or HT + the other 50% talent

[unreal nova]

And it has Agile.

The one thing knoife doesn't have.

Or I will literally just agile uncanny knoife.

[neon current]

as if knife would do anything with agile

you outrun anything in 1s flat anyhow

[unreal nova]

Inf dodge.

[neon current]

why do you need dodge

when you have the acceleration of a tesla

[unreal nova]

It plays to the playstyle I do.

[neon current]

ZOOM ZOOM

[unreal nova]

More crits.

I want my crit stacks.

[sudden cedar]

There is a point where you reach diminishing returns with crits

[neon current]

mmm, no?

[unreal nova]

50%.

[neon current]

nothing outclasses crits on a knife

with its insane finesse modifier

[unreal nova]

20%, 25%, 34%, 50%, 100%.

Crit chance breakpoints in a nutshell.

[unreal forge]

i'm glad shock maul's getting buffed, I love that weapon

[unreal nova]

Works for any game.

[clever hedge]

Outside Warframe where you can crit your crits

[tame lodge]

Or BM Shred

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but that's an additional mechanic on top.

[unreal forge]

lol they're reducing the cleave on the heavy strikedown for shock maul, I was wondering why it had so much cleave

if the arbitrator shock maul is even stronger than the buffed vet shock maul, that'll be really insane

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

I mean, is the only thing it really had.

[clever hedge]

Hence why they are buffing everything else about it

[unreal nova]

Other than winning 1 vs 1s.

[clever hedge]

True

But the weapon was never meant for dueling sword or even knife roles

It seems to be more intended as a side grade to axes

Or chain swords

At least in concept

[unreal nova]

I know. Even at 1 vs 1, is just too slow lul. Very safe though.

[clever hedge]

For sure lol

Why a shotty is gonna pair so nicely

Especially on the class ment to specialise in the combo

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[edgy dew]

Are there patch notes somewhere?

[tame lodge]

#📢news-bulletin

Early look

[feral jetty]

Hello shouties

Bosses

Whatevah

Runk hopes you all are having a good day

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/muslim-cat-cat-cute-cat-gif-12819717304550833417

[faint beacon]

Taxe has Stagger and Far better horde clear

but to put it in lamens its basically a 5% increase to its Cara damage

which admittedly on a stock version, could use it

without like Rending talents etc

But if it we get like Exploit or Rending Strikes into play we could see some smaller improvements to carapace enemies

im simply waiting to see what happens, that and Also looking forward to the Helby changes thats the REAL interesting one

other than shotguns but that was a given

[crude star]

is tac axe gona run as fast as combat blade now? ..can you currently make combat blade into an ok horde celar

[faint beacon]

Probably not

it might be noticeably better

but I doubt it'll be DS and knife levels of scummy Mobility

[crude star]

I see

[hearty panther]

it'll be very close

Sprint template from “default” to “assault”
Forward acceleration from {0.15, 0.4} to {0.4, 0.8}
Forward deceleration from 1.25 to 2.1
Sprint speed modifier from {-0.5, 0.5} to {-0.25, 0.85}

knife is 0.89

[crude star]

ooh

[hearty panther]

at its max

so it'll be like 0.6 im guessing for taxe max

[lilac lichen]

Taxe can one shot 4 mutants per swing. Same for ragers, gunners, etc...

[tame lodge]

They gave an extra 0.1 to Maniacs on helby

It's about to go hard

[unreal nova]

They are just trying to make knife but better in many ways.

Except mobility.

[hollow ibex]

Hype

[hollow ibex]

Should’ve done the same for the vigils reeee

[sudden cedar]

Vigilant is fine.

[steep flower]

Just its recoil is dogshit

[tame lodge]

It's good
But could be gooderer

Hadron.mp3

[sudden cedar]

big tanks make spiky heretics go boom.

or something like that

[willow tendon]

Burst vigil for me has variable recoil from 0 to 100000

[sudden cedar]

Columnus is the worst.

[tame lodge]

"when did you get so wise on the ways of the magic box"

[dry cloak]

stop moving when you shoot

and maybe dump collat if that helps (thats what i did)

[hollow ibex]

Nah

[sudden cedar]

It is tho. Just like Combat Shotguns.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah why buff combat shotguns

[narrow frost]

Agri was fine the others lacked alot

[hollow ibex]

Columnus doesn't even have a mag size that round to the burst count

You can really see how much care and love went into these guns

[sudden cedar]

Well, just make every shot count.

It is a Headshot Weapon after all.

[uncut pebble]

They don't do enough damage.

Hopefully they do now.

[stoic thorn]

I CAN FINALLY GAMBLE MY LIFE ON THE PLASMA M1

[steep flower]

nah fire one is nice

[sudden cedar]

Agripinaa is fine.

[uncut pebble]

It's really not.

[steep flower]

agri is faring better cause slug is carrying it

[uncut pebble]

The fire shell doesn't do shit to anything so it's like a worse revolver.

[steep flower]

man i really wanna show ya

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower

[uncut pebble]

The only usecase for the fire shell is to suppress anything at any distance.

Otherwise it's worthless.

If they wanted the fire shell to be good it should apply like 4 stacks of burn and cleave a bit more.

[steep flower]

nope; if all pellets hit it stacks 6 fire stacks per shot; max count for the weapon is 10 - its a good extra dmg vs bosses or very far targets that are large like reapers

[tame lodge]

15 suppression value

[uncut pebble]

"If all pellets hit" dude its a fucking shotgun with a spread the size of the square ft of Africa.

You'd have to point blank your target to do anything to them.

[steep flower]

have you ever heard of A.D.S.

[stoic thorn]

Which is where the shotgun wants to be?

[steep flower]

[uncut pebble]

Combat shotguns are mid range implements.

[stoic thorn]

Massive skill issue

Blow their brains out.

[uncut pebble]

It aint a skill issue dude, it's a mid range weapon.

[tall torrent]

Yes

[stoic thorn]

And if you're not flinging their brains over to the next guy

You're not doing it right

[hollow ibex]

Yeah tbh I found the burn really unreliable. And somehow capped at 10.

[steep flower]

Yeeeeesssir!

[uncut pebble]

The burn is very unreliable and you actually lose dps using it.

You can do more by just shooting something in the face repeatedly.

[faint beacon]

Vigilants can use extremely small QOL changes but outside of that

its a fine gun

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon I agree

[uncut pebble]

Maniac adm tuneup is all it needs.

[faint beacon]

Ehh

[stoic thorn]

Massive skill issue just light them on fire

Get suppressed shitdip

You're on fire

Also

[faint beacon]

honestly a small ADM change is whatever but nothing too crazy it needs a downside

[uncut pebble]

I should not have to use maniac + elites to have a snowballs chance in hell of killing a dreg rager before he gets to me.

[steep flower]

man you have no idea but thats ok; if you ever try or wanna see it in action lemme know

[stoic thorn]

The shitty shell compensates for

[uncut pebble]

I've used all the combat shotguns, the only one worth using is agri.

[stoic thorn]

The absolute dump truck thst is the regular fire

[uncut pebble]

At least in the current form they have.

And I've used them on all 3 classes.

[steep flower]

Your loss

[uncut pebble]

Even with scriers immense damage scaling, they don't feel great to use.

[stoic thorn]

Have you tried just blowing their brains out

Not their guts out

Their brains out

[uncut pebble]

Are you implying I'm not aiming for the face?

[stoic thorn]

Yed

[uncut pebble]

Because that is kinda dumb.

Why wouldn't I be aiming for the face?

[stoic thorn]

Because you have skill issues

[uncut pebble]

Not a single weapon should not be aimed for the face unless you're shooting maulers.

[unreal nova]

WDYM. You can snipe with the buggers.

[uncut pebble]

Damage falloff go brrrr.

[stoic thorn]

It's called just peppering the fuck out a fucker at a distance until they come to blow brains out distance or die

[uncut pebble]

Mid range is like 12.5m-25m.

[stoic thorn]

Or

Here's a NOVEL IDEA

[uncut pebble]

(12.5m is "close" by fatshark definitions for blessings and whatnot)

[stoic thorn]

Get your teammates to do it

[unreal nova]

In this game 25m+... isn't that common.

[uncut pebble]

I'm not relying on my teammates to do shit.

[stoic thorn]

Then you either nut up or shut up

[uncut pebble]

I can't even trust them to breathe and walk at the same time unless they're premade.

Randoms in this game are laughably bad.

[stoic thorn]

Okay atlas

[fading yarrow]

How it feels reading this chat sometimes

[stoic thorn]

The weight of the world on yo ass

[stoic thorn]

Go my chaos arbites

Be heretics

[faint beacon]

Arbites about to go so fucking hard

[steep flower]

WHAT THOSE EXIST?

[uncut pebble]

Man, I don't know what the chip on your shoulder is, but I'm just stating that combat shotguns aren't in a great spot. Chill out.

[faint beacon]

Im going to strictly make 0-Dog builds as a warning

[fading yarrow]

No

[stoic thorn]

Go my chaos arbites

[sudden cedar]

Arbites are still just humans. Schola Progenium humans, but still humans.

[stoic thorn]

BE free

Be the first

[faint beacon]

Well- again anything is possible with enough epoxy

[tall torrent]

shotgun buffs might actually be good?

[faint beacon]

Besides nurgle corruption?

Yeah it makes the most sense

[stoic thorn]

The tentacle is made out of milliput

Check this shit too

[steep flower]

reload increase, ammo increase and slight dmg falloff increase; all that it needs

and it will get

[faint beacon]

Helby and Shotty buffs are what interests me

im ignoring Taxe mainly cause its fine

[tall torrent]

no no
the dmg buff itself is pretty good

[faint beacon]

but it got a buff so cool

[tall torrent]

the rest are kinda whatever

[stoic thorn]

The only thing that interests me is that they're hinting at plasma blowing you up via m1

[fading yarrow]

I'm glad I'll finally be able to use taxe and not be bullied for it

[sudden cedar]

Duelling Swords
We are currently undertaking a comprehensive rework of the weapon, examining every aspect. While a damage reduction is probable, and will likely contribute to the solution, our aim is to bring its power level in line with other weapons while reinforcing its player fantasy and raising its skill ceiling.

[faint beacon]

and a rework of M2

making it better

THAT

[unreal nova]

If they are human, they can fall. Heck, even for some, not even machine help stop corruption.

[faint beacon]

is what will get me into using Plasma

[steep flower]

I bully @sudden cedar everytime; now i will not able to MAN

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/honestreaction-gif-27666449

[hollow ibex]

Not for DB 😭

[stoic thorn]

Join me in exe stance plasma

[faint beacon]

Its boring as fuck atm I refuse

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Bully me for using a Shock Maul will you.

[faint beacon]

I'd rather bolter or Vigilant Estance

[heavy rover]

wait is the balancing patch out now?

[faint beacon]

till its changes drop

[unreal nova]

I dunno why anyone even do it. I care more about how one plays than their loadout.

[faint beacon]

that or Helby

[steep flower]

that wont work either; they buff them too!

[faint beacon]

cause the helby changes...

[stoic thorn]

This guy also got neglected too take him

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Need to find another silly melee weapon

[unreal nova]

What did you do?

[stoic thorn]

Chainsword.

Chainsword.

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah

[stoic thorn]

Chainsword.

[faint beacon]

Shock Maul also got buffed

and Cata Swords

[stoic thorn]

We need a chainsword buff.

[sudden cedar]

Chainsword. Yeah lets go.

[stoic thorn]

I'm chainswording it

[faint beacon]

Chainswords are the prime doodooshit melee now!

[tame lodge]

The early balance look yeah

#📢news-bulletin

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

I am chainswording it

[unreal nova]

WDYM? They had been doodoo since forever.

[stoic thorn]

I am chainswording it so good

Chainsword mark

[fading yarrow]

I'mma make a taxe combat shotgun build to see how they feel before the buffs

[stoic thorn]

For viltrum

[faint beacon]

they are THE doodooshit melee now

[unreal nova]

I hated rolling it on the psyker challenge...

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/qOKVR9WRxnV.gif

Chainswords.

[steep flower]

You better use bloodletter on it or i will put you in the toilet and i mean it

[analog mural]

Eh, there was a time when chords had the best chaff clear in the game

[stoic thorn]

I'm over here chainswording my shit I got blood on my chainsword

[sudden cedar]

Screw it, give me a Power Axe or a modified Crozium.

[unreal nova]

On psyker. I have a flame stick for that.

[sudden cedar]

Power Halberd.

[steep flower]

oh yeah... power axes

[sudden cedar]

Please. I need more knightly weapons.

[tall torrent]

it was already a really balanced weapon I don't think it needed big changes
combat shotguns' dmg buffs are pretty good

[unreal nova]

I ended up using EK mostly even at 25% peril per cast.

Because the chainsword was so gawd awful.

[tall torrent]

I'm not quite sure what shock maul's 4.5 stamina will be like

why 4.5 lol just make it 5

[sudden cedar]

@tall torrent Balancing.

[faint beacon]

It would be uhhh

[fading yarrow]

I just want PS3 buffs

[faint beacon]

ummmm

too strong

I kinda skimmed the changes on Shaul ngl

[sudden cedar]

Power Sword for Zealots. Make it happen.

[tame lodge]

Still is

[unreal nova]

Cos looks like more, but is just 4 to server.

[tame lodge]

Undisputed

[faint beacon]

Idk if its even a make or break change on the thing I just know it got some changes

[stoic thorn]

i’m over here swinging my chainsword i got blood on my chainsword rn i’m jus swinging my chainsword i’m happy as fuck man i’m a bloodthirster like for real

[tall torrent]

rashad 7.5s vs 50 pox

without sprint cancel

calm down

[hollow ibex]

Buff it anyways

[tall torrent]

it did get buffed tho

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower How about that bottom line Combat Axe?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-the-professional-norman-stansfield-im-calm-calm-cigarette-gif-25654662

[hollow ibex]

I mean meaningfully

[faint beacon]

The Achlys?

now you're cooking

[tall torrent]

yea it got better ammo reserve

[faint beacon]

Chainswords or Achlys Caxe

[tame lodge]

Also not like I'mma learn sprint cancel

[tall torrent]

u can basically skip out on +25% ammo now

[faint beacon]

and run Decapitator on it

LMAO

[sudden cedar]

You mean the most trash weapon you could think of?

[hollow ibex]

Eh I never took that anyways and still barely took ammo lol

[faint beacon]

Yes

Yes I mean that one

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a funny idea

[faint beacon]

I dont even think you could make it work

even with BM

LMAO

[steep flower]

that... i would not even force anyone to use it

[faint beacon]

BM + Decap

[tame lodge]

Once it gets rolling
Decapitator goes hard
The problem is proccing Decapitator

[faint beacon]

even with Desperado

[tame lodge]

💀

[sudden cedar]

Now i need a trash ranged weapon

[faint beacon]

ILAS

thats not even an argument now

ILAS

[steep flower]

DO NOT TOUCH THAT DOGSHIT OF A WEAPON I BEG YOU; YOU WILL REGRET IT

[tall torrent]

lemme go calculate what the new combat shotgun dmg values should look like

[unreal nova]

GF bought one, forgot to switch marks. I spent an entire run hearing her reeeeeeeeeeee about it.

[sudden cedar]

That won't fly, iam already proficient with it.

[faint beacon]

it got left behind in the update

Mk 9 ILAS

to be specific

[sudden cedar]

no joke.

Infantry Lasgun i know how it works.

It sucks.. it is complete garbage.

[tame lodge]

In fact I think you guys are being too safe with BM on achlys

[faint beacon]

I'll be honest with this change there

[sudden cedar]

But still, it works.

[fading yarrow]

Infantry Lasguns...

[faint beacon]

really isn't much terrible on Vet

outside of like

ILAS

and MAYBE

MAYBE

if you're reaching really hard

[tame lodge]

Try Decimator Headtaker

[faint beacon]

Vigilants

[sudden cedar]

You know iam a Zealot right?

[tame lodge]

Or even Limbsplitter

[sudden cedar]

Columnus Vigilant

[faint beacon]

Okay yeah nvm that one fucking blows

LMAO

Agri and Graia are peak though

[sudden cedar]

I got called out for using that one.

[fading yarrow]

Y'all know what I wanna see buffed? The hipfire revolvers

[sudden cedar]

Maybe?

[analog mural]

Limb splitter+deci on the worst caxe

[sudden cedar]

Don't know what that riffraff of a witch was talking about

[stoic thorn]

Middle combat shotgun

[faint beacon]

is deci even on the Caxe's?

I know its on the Taxe

[analog mural]

Yes

[tame lodge]

With enough luck you might even get 0.002 cleave

[sudden cedar]

Ouh.. Zarona?

[stoic thorn]

The one with the fuckass horizontal special

[faint beacon]

HOLY SLANDER LMAO

[analog mural]

I used deci+bm on the Rashad before they changed how deci stacked

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-spongebob-plankton-true-truth-gif-5372815280279127843

[sudden cedar]

I could do a challenge run.

[unreal nova]

But rashad op though.

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/box-of-true-box-of-bees-dogman-dogman-movie-bees-gif-5723728231728491119

[sudden cedar]

Dying is allowed but i have to use those weapons

[stoic thorn]

Dog man is fucking peak shit

[sudden cedar]

Now i am intrigued

[unreal nova]

Bonus, you solo carry auric mael with it because you rolled 3 ppl who like sleeping on the floor.

[faint beacon]

Achlys Caxe actually goes kinda hard when you learn its attack pattern on clear

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower You wouldn't force me tho would you.

[faint beacon]

but again

its really bad

LMAO

[steep flower]

[sudden cedar]

Getting aquainted with holy grounds, are we?

[steep flower]

[stoic thorn]

Is it middle shotgun and bottom caxe

[vapid thunder]

why is the same attack doing 1500 to a flamer and only 600 to a trapper i thought they were the same armor type

[sudden cedar]

What is that again?

[stoic thorn]

Sexism

[sudden cedar]

Isn't the Rashad is it?

Achlys?

[unreal nova]

So why don't I take 60% less damage?

[tropic notch]

Hear that everyone we gotta use the chainsword now!

[sudden cedar]

Can't wait for salty people in pugs

[faint beacon]

its honestly hilarious

how Caxe has

one of the most braindead overpowered melees

(Rashad)

and one of the worst melees in the game

(Achlys)

[tropic notch]

With born leader vet really is a like pseudo medic in a way with cab, out for blood, and voc

[crude star]

achlys looks so much cooler 😔

[faint beacon]

Completion skin

[tame lodge]

Because everybody took the bisexual buff
They deal equal damage to each sex

[faint beacon]

its the Achlys variant

[unreal nova]

Just throw a 'nade or two. Everyone full now.

[faint beacon]

you can slap it on a rashad or Antax if you have self respect

[fading yarrow]

Honestly the only thing chainswords need is the Relic Blade cooldown system, same for PSes of course

[faint beacon]

ehhh

[vapid thunder]

achlys makes the best hstubber so ill use the caxe out of respect

[tropic notch]

I know dat

[faint beacon]

I dont recall if it has a cap

but it needs a lot more

[atomic void]

why tho

the shred mechanic has it's uses

its insane for big dudes and bosses

id rather they find a way to make it less clunky over homongizing the weapons

[vapid thunder]

^

[true jackal]

I would like the chains to rev more while swinging though

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent can you break down the dclaw buffs?

[vapid thunder]

make it so it doesnt attach to a target if a non empowered hit would kill them anyways

[atomic void]

oh wait this is vet chat and you're talking about chainsword and not evis my bad king 👍

[true jackal]

that needs to happen

[vapid thunder]

or something else to make catching on a poxwalker less annoying

[vapid thunder]

lwk chord and chaxe are in a fine spot

[atomic void]

what i said still applies minus the chainsword being any good against bosses

[vapid thunder]

evisc is the one thats hurting

[tropic notch]

Mk4 dcalw…..

Soon

[atomic void]

read the latest patch notes

its getting uncapped and buffed

evis fans (all 10 of us) will be eating good

[steep flower]

above average more like in comparison to chainaxe or evis

[tropic notch]

I’m zealoting it

I’m zealoting it

[tame lodge]

Have you considered that flamers take extra melee damage

[tropic notch]

Ohhhh I’m zealoting it

[atomic void]

i thought i was in zealot chat and they were talking about evis my bad

[vapid thunder]

they do????

[narrow frost]

maniac takes more melee damage then ranged

iirc

[steep flower]

evis rev is the best in comparison to dmg

[narrow frost]

tis why mutant is a bit tanky

[true jackal]

idk if it's the health type or just a modifier/design of the enemies though

[tropic notch]

Guh

[uncut pebble]

This is a wild take for chainswords.

[steep flower]

but the weapon itself has some... problems

[tall torrent]

zarona shotgun +20% dmg
agripinaa shotgun around +20.76% dmg
accatran shotgun around +8.5% dmg

therefore

first 2 shotguns' buffs pretty good

fire shotgun still bad

[tame lodge]

Yeah but Trapper is also a Maniac
It doesn't have the 3x multiplier according to Games Lantern

[true jackal]

I miss using the classic shotgun tbh

[uncut pebble]

Lmao.

[atomic void]

slug shotty gonna be peak

[tropic notch]

Tbh a empowered chainsword would be cool

[uncut pebble]

Agri shotgun 20% more damage, still gonna be the only one I use.

[tropic notch]

Slug vs dbarrel with the upcoming changes

[unreal nova]

Such weapon mark-ism. They need to be more equal!

[steep flower]

Can't wait to still use it & show ppl it packs a punch; that 8,5% increase might be just enough for certain ranges on important targets (as i remember them from many games)

[tropic notch]

What will top?

[sacred igloo]

Wish the double barrel got a little bit more

[narrow frost]

why?

[tropic notch]

It didn’t need a buff

[tall torrent]

it does not

problem is still dmg consistency

[uncut pebble]

Db really only needed a bit of a push for easier bulwark oneshots, and it has that now.

[tall torrent]

the range increase is super small

[faint beacon]

its fine tbh, its probably going to be an insanely good spot now cause of the change

[steep flower]

i leave number & code crunching to you; you leave me to field testing

[uncut pebble]

It already was in an insanely good spot.

[faint beacon]

pm

[tall torrent]

I do both

[uncut pebble]

It's just gonna be far easier to use because you can blast a bulwarks brain out easier.

[faint beacon]

it had a gimmick

[tropic notch]

What’s happening to the dclaw mk4? It’s getting just a light in it’s chain buffed?

[faint beacon]

delete everything in short range

anything further is spitballs

[tall torrent]

fire shotgun's max-dmg range went up by 1.5m (7m -> 8.5m)

[uncut pebble]

The thing I'm most peeved about is dclaw not getting a flak adm tuneup.

[tall torrent]

yea totally gonna save it

[faint beacon]

Im

probably still gonna use it

or experiment

[tall torrent]

min-dmg range went up by 0.5m (14m -> 14.5m)

[faint beacon]

I've always liked the heavier variants

[uncut pebble]

I loathe the flak adm for dclaw.

[faint beacon]

that or medium

[tall torrent]

ammo buff is alr

61 -> 79 in reserve

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

but dmg consistency still ass

[steep flower]

Save it? Nah bruv maybe for average joe

[faint beacon]

18 extra shells

helps honestly

[uncut pebble]

Still doesn't save the inconsistent damage.

[tall torrent]

that's the ONLY good buff it got

everything else super small

[sudden cedar]

Average Darktide player will waste all the ammo.

[uncut pebble]

See, somebody gets it.

[unreal nova]

"I NEED AMMO."

[faint beacon]

Average Shartider doesn't understand they can just

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[uncut pebble]

They'll just waste their ammo spraying fire shots that do nothing into hordes.

[tame lodge]

I built for shooting
I'm shooting

[unreal nova]

.-.

[faint beacon]

Use their melee

[tame lodge]

Simple as

[sudden cedar]

BLOW BRAINS OUT

[faint beacon]

paired with Surv

to save ammo

LMAO

[uncut pebble]

Not even paired with survivalist, either.

Just melee shit, 4head.

[faint beacon]

just in general

LMAO

[steep flower]

Your knowledge makes me tingle

[sudden cedar]

It be true tho

[unreal nova]

Just need to forget gun exist, yes yes.

[uncut pebble]

Shovel makes quick work of a lot of stuff, rashad and power sword, that much quicker.

[sudden cedar]

Veterans with Recons never letting go of the trigger

[faint beacon]

But its how the class is supposed to be played

[sudden cedar]

Running around taking all the ammo

[faint beacon]

the right side just

[unreal nova]

Take it, forget about gun, inf ammo yes.

[faint beacon]

not existing I guess

LMAO

[sudden cedar]

Just hogging it and die in melee

[atomic void]

they need to redeisng the recon and give it a nasty fkn recoil to teach recon players how to play the game

[tall torrent]

lemme put it this way
ur not fixing this by buffing dmg by 8.5%

[uncut pebble]

HATE those vets.

[tame lodge]

Shobe

[faint beacon]

I'd be for this if they also make it fire faster

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

LMAO

Actual lead spitter

[atomic void]

just shoot bro twice

solved!

[uncut pebble]

the breakpoint class cannot achieve oneshot breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Actual hotshot lasgun

[unreal nova]

Is always funny making bets on how fast a pf vet dies.

[crude star]

pf?

[unreal nova]

Fastest is 2 downs in less than 5 secs in the first fight.

[steep flower]

yeah about hotshot; are they gonna fix the... melee buffing of it?

[faint beacon]

Probably not

idk

[unreal nova]

Yes, they had wound curios.

[faint beacon]

they never bothered fixing Lethal Prox

[unreal nova]

To be fair, is main reason vets use the Bistol.

[faint beacon]

Tbh I kinda like it in a weird way even though its not supposed to do that

[uncut pebble]

The funniest thing is that darktide players don't hold block as soon as they get up.

[faint beacon]

but eh

[uncut pebble]

Vt2 taught me that FAST.

[faint beacon]

if it happens it happens

[atomic void]

just shoot more guradsman!

[uncut pebble]

If you don't hold block when you get up in vt2 you just explode.

[steep flower]

or try to dodge

[grand perch]

its not broken? it does exactly what it says, which is rare enough for FS

[unreal nova]

Don't help vs shooters. You need team to kill before.

[faint beacon]

Explosion radius is always 100% static

its supposed to be exclusively to the Bolt Pistols gun

[uncut pebble]

It should not have interactions with grenades and explosions like the crusher when the pistol is stowed.

^

[faint beacon]

Also

[grand perch]

and why not?

[steep flower]

oh...

[faint beacon]

if you're a methhead

[grand perch]

it doesnt say +explosion radius while equipped

[uncut pebble]

The extra aoe on grenades and crusher is an unintended effect caused by fatshark spaghetti code.

[sudden cedar]

Veterans should be .. playing Zealots.... at some point.

[faint beacon]

Overcharge I think its called?

Relic Blade

the explosion radius blessing

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[faint beacon]

with BP Lethal prox

[uncut pebble]

Overload.

[unreal nova]

Grenade tinkerer only.

[faint beacon]

goes from 4 to 6ms of staggering

[uncut pebble]

Causes an aoe electric cherry type explosion when you overheat your sword.

[faint beacon]

yes I tested this

LMAO

[steep flower]

ah yeah that one; its dogshit tho

[uncut pebble]

Thats so fucking wrong it's not even funny.

[faint beacon]

eh?

I mean I see its use

[true jackal]

last time we had cross weapon blessings we got crucian knives

[faint beacon]

its not good

nor bad

its

[uncut pebble]

Shredders get a huge buff from just having a 25% larger aoe.

[faint beacon]

there

[uncut pebble]

Now pair lethal prox with tinkerer.

[unreal nova]

I can play anything though... although psyker is abit sus.

[uncut pebble]

Congratulations, your shredder now hits everything in the room.

[faint beacon]

Lethal Prox is a meta pick for a Shredder Grenadier build it

[uncut pebble]

Lethal prox is meta as hell.

[faint beacon]

deletes hordes

Mixed hordes mind you

[uncut pebble]

Mixed hordes still die.

Just throw a second shredder.

[steep flower]

...just funnel enemies... use tactics

[faint beacon]

Oh there's a crusher?

3

[uncut pebble]

There's enough crap in the room to kill to get your grenades back with demo team anyway.

[faint beacon]

^

[uncut pebble]

Or, no, because I don't have to.

[faint beacon]

thats the reason why its strong

[unreal nova]

Throw all 4 if you need it done and over fast.

[faint beacon]

Outside of that

Lethal prox drops down to like

a C tier perk

its not good nor bad

its there

it helps stagger enemies that are close to you

IE Ragers

but yeah its not great nor bad

[uncut pebble]

Lethal prox + tinkerer shredders is the same situation as just having relic blade. If you have shredders ready, you can kill your way out of anything.

You can also just use your shredders to be a safety net vs bosses.

[faint beacon]

Situational Meta

[uncut pebble]

Cspawn about to grab you or burgle about to vore you? Toss a grenade at your feet and let it happen.

[unreal nova]

It's good only with a niche basically.

[faint beacon]

its probably why they haven't patched it

[unreal nova]

Generally meh otherwise.

[faint beacon]

cause they realize its like

[gilded wraith]

Does a 3 stack actually do much against crushers without uncanny procs?

[uncut pebble]

"Niche" when the grenade in question is probably what you're gonna be using anyway 90% of the time.

[faint beacon]

good on one thing

[sudden cedar]

Why would i want to intentionally overheat my Relic Blade?

[faint beacon]

and semi helps with what Crusher

[uncut pebble]

You don't.

[sudden cedar]

Correct.

[faint beacon]

or the methheads that use Overload on Relic Blade

[unreal nova]

It doesn't is why you poke heds after.

[uncut pebble]

We are just pointing out things that lethal prox interacts with.

Overload is coded as an explosion, so lethal prox affects it.

[steep flower]

inb4 the moment you get eaten it starts splashing you again so you get 2 debuff stacks and now you cannot escape at all cause it was already staggered by a shredder; just keep your distance

[faint beacon]

4ms to 6ms of Medium Stagger iirc

it knocks ragers off you

[uncut pebble]

If youre using a bolt pistol, you have the mobility to get away, even with vomit on you.

[faint beacon]

thats really the only Big note I can say of this

Its basically a fuck you to rager spam

but thats it

[unreal nova]

Not every vet takes all 'nade skills. Also, niche means good at specific things and those things only.

[faint beacon]

thats literally it

[uncut pebble]

Not saying you have to, just saying it makes shredders 25% more insane than they already are.

It is just an exponential power increase to an already good grenadier setup.

[tall torrent]

shotgun buffs
all have +2 -> +4 stamina (+2)
all have 1.75/s -> 1/s sprint cost (-0.75/s)
all have ~10% faster reload speed
60% mobility stat, sprint bonus +0.09m/s -> +0.594m/s

zarona VI
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 76 -> 90 (+14)
80% damage stat, damage +20%
cleave = 3 (old values: hipfire = 1.3, ADS = 0.001)

agripinaa VII
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 91 -> 100 (+9)
80% damage stat, damage +20.76%
hipfire now has the same finesse curve as ADS (around +108.3%)
cleave = 2.5 (old values: hipfire = 1.3, ADS = 0.001)

accatran IX
80% ammo stat, ammo reserve 61 -> 79 (+18)
80% damage stat, damage +8.5%
cleave = 3.5 (old value: 3)
max-dmg range 7 -> 8.5 (+1.5m)
min-dmg range 14 -> 14.5 (+0.5m)

[unreal nova]

It happens because I failed to turn it off in time in the heat of the moment. XD

[gilded wraith]

If you're tying up 2 blessings and 4 talent slots they better be insane.

[uncut pebble]

(can you put the names in because nobody knows about the model numbers)

[faint beacon]

reminder that some players still have 0 clue that the BON doing its little baby rage is an indicator its swapping targets

[fading yarrow]

I've been using frags without tinkerer for the longest time before finally making a proper Lethal Proximity nade build and wew

[uncut pebble]

2 blessings? Nah, just one.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, without it, you wouldn't even take bistol on vet.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, I think I would. It has deadly accurate and puncture.

That's pretty damn good on weapon spec.

[tame lodge]

~460 damage

[faint beacon]

Puncture is

stupid

[quiet valley]

Shredders Grenadier build doesnt even need Grenade Tinkerer, Lethal Prox is more than enough

[gilded wraith]

Need uncanny on your melee in addition to lethal for that mixed horde deleting.

[faint beacon]

on Assail

[quiet valley]

Most of your dmg is bleed anyway

[faint beacon]

bleed assail

incredibly stupid

[steep flower]

yeah... i have no words...

[uncut pebble]

No you don't.

Only one enemy doesn't suffer from bleed badly, and thats crushers.

Everything else dies.

[unreal nova]

Revolver on WS.

[uncut pebble]

🤢

[faint beacon]

My ass immediately starts attacking it the moment it Yells and whips around to whoever took agro

usually everyone else just runs away

LMAO

[steep flower]

or bleed greatsword slash

[faint beacon]

it DOES THAT

2.2k hours and I didn't know it did that

holy shit

thats fucking stupid

[tame lodge]

Surety shotgun psyker about to go crazy

[quiet valley]

you have to swap after cast its super clunky

[steep flower]

yeah... the projectile... is a projectile...

[quiet valley]

But it can shit out dmg, though walls as well

[steep flower]

so you swap to pistol as you use the wave

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower @faint beacon Some people don't know that you can free someone by going close to a Chaos Spawn

[steep flower]

and everything bleeds

[faint beacon]

Well obviously I'd assume FS had the courtesy to code it differently

but apparently not

[orchid hemlock]

Some people don't know how to block

[sudden cedar]

Some that have titles that.. you would believe should know that.

[faint beacon]

Im assuming too much of FS

[orchid hemlock]

[uncut pebble]

This enrages me, I don't understand how people don't have pattern recognition.

[tall torrent]

zarona and agripinaa buffs actually good
fire shotgun still ass unfortunately

[sudden cedar]

Blocking, dodging, dodge sliding

Taking cover

[unreal nova]

You mean most ppl.

[uncut pebble]

I get close to the cspawn eating my teammate
he thrashes and throws my teammate
I will not learn from this and assume it is random

[sudden cedar]

Hey hey i am being nice here.

[faint beacon]

The multiple wipes caused by me getting grabbed by a CS and everyone just let it eat me and then the convienent Flamer spawn whilst im being eaten happens

love to see it

[tall torrent]

actually uh

[orchid hemlock]

Some people don't know that YOU NEED TO STOP MAG DUMPING THE 2 POXWALKERS AND FUCKING KILL THE MUTANT 2 INCHES IN FRONT OF THEM

[uncut pebble]

It's rude to lie to people about how good they are.

[tall torrent]

biggest winner of this update

might be eviscerator and helbore

not even shotguns

[uncut pebble]

Didn't they remove the light attack cleave damage cap?

[tall torrent]

yea

but also more importantly

[uncut pebble]

Yeah Meow is gonna explode with that one.

[faint beacon]

perfect strike + shred is gonna be meta basically

its gonna be

stupid

[faint beacon]

She said its not enough

LMAO

[tall torrent]

mk3 eviscerator doesn't have gimped maniac ADMs anymore

[tall torrent]

she's complaining for the love of the game

[unreal nova]

Seen too many pubs running away instead of that or throwing knockback ults/kraks...

[tame lodge]

Do you know anything about the 'overrides' ?

[pseudo fiber]

The evi is eating good

[orchid hemlock]

Me when I see anyone on my team have single digit specialist kills:

[faint beacon]

Helby is eating good also

swap speed is huge

[gilded wraith]

I'm annoyed they only touched the evis and not the other chains.

[faint beacon]

minor changes to ADM is also really nice

might catch me using that alot more

literally the only reason I didn't play it often was its swap speed even with OM

was just eugh

I didnt like it

[tall torrent]

yes but I kinda don't know what it's supposed to mean for "light strikedown (special active)"

removing dmg override as in

[gilded wraith]

My inner paranoia thinks it was an anti-veteran plot.

[faint beacon]

second special

I believe

[tall torrent]

now a revved up light strikedown does light strikedown's damage all the time?

[unreal nova]

I have lag and everyone steals my flamer burn kills anyway.

[faint beacon]

cause first one is a bash followed with a strikedown

[tall torrent]

doesn't make that much sense to me

[faint beacon]

oh are we talking about Evis

[unreal forge]

what's ADM supposed to mean?

[faint beacon]

not taxe

[tall torrent]

no, light strikedown is just L1S

[faint beacon]

cause they also stated that about the Taxe

[sudden cedar]

@uncut pebble Yeah well.. some people just can't take it.

[sudden cedar]

Armour Damage Modifier?

[faint beacon]

4 more pages

give him a second

[vapid thunder]

wtf only 6 days until arbites

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[unreal nova]

I know I'm bottom barrel.

[sudden cedar]

6 days until we get flooded by Judge Dredd and his army of clones.

@unreal nova You may be a bottom barrel, but a bottom barrel in a high altitude storage room.

[unreal nova]

Why do you think games go better with some good carry?

[tame lodge]

If that's the case
Does that mean that mk3s L1 revved would deal 1k Dmg to Flak critspot hit?

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova That was a compliment in case that was lost..

[tall torrent]

per tick

[tame lodge]

That's kinda crazy

[tall torrent]

which obv doesn't make any sense

so I don't bother

[tame lodge]

Welp
Gotta wait and see

[unreal nova]

Still bottom barrel.

[tame lodge]

It's right around the corner at least

[sudden cedar]

What does Morrow say? They may be no-hopers, but they are my no-hopers.

[unreal nova]

He dreams too much then.

[sudden cedar]

No. That is what makes a good leader.

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon new helbore draw time should be at most 1s

[faint beacon]

without OM?

or with

[tall torrent]

without

[faint beacon]

cause if thats so like- shit

that means OM pathing

[tall torrent]

with, should be ~0.83s

[faint beacon]

would drop it to like .75

[unreal nova]

Just accepting ppl for who they are.

[faint beacon]

Thats

really fucking good tbh

[tall torrent]

actually idk how OM is calculated

[faint beacon]

not vigil swap speed but my god

[tall torrent]

is it /1.2 or x0.8

[faint beacon]

its nearing it

so you might see me use Helby

a lot more

[tall torrent]

if it's x0.8
then it could be as low as ~0.66s

they buffed maniac for charged shot as well

by straight up 25% (up to 10m, falloff until 25m)

so u can basically skip maniac perk on it now

[vapid thunder]

which chaxe mk is better

[steep flower]

mk4

[vapid thunder]

wait this thing gets revved on every light attack?

holy peak

[tall torrent]

@tame lodge about eviscerator's "remove dmg override"
I think it means those attacks will be a lot more dmg than they currently are

how much more idk

[faint beacon]

wondering what the BNB perk combo will be now

Elite + Cara?

[sudden cedar]

Elite

[faint beacon]

Flak + Elite fuck if I know

I'll have to do testing

[sudden cedar]

Blow brains out.

[tall torrent]

which helbore

[tame lodge]

let's see if a rev light from the 15 can kill a bruiser

Last time I checked without Unarmored and Duelist
It dealt ~475 damage

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Im probably gonna be running IIIa or IV

Medium/Heavy

not a fan of the light Variant

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actually for IIIa maniac still worth
cuz it gives u 1hs flamer without crit

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Oh?

Flakiac for IIIa then

IV though?

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for IIIa specifically it's the same as before

maniac + flak/specialist

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Helbore actually dropping enemies without needing to crit...

unlike a certain weapon I main...

LMAO

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wait

specialist not needed

they buffed unarmored too

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By how much

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no more 499/500 charged shot on scab sniper

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near +10%
far +25%

just enough to fix scab sniper 1 bodyshot

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Reverse fall off...

yeah I should honestly pick up Helbys with how I play

especially with OM pathing

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so yea prob maniac + flak on hb3a now

as for IV

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HBIV though

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prob just unyielding + carapace now

nothing else rly matters

u could run maniac to 1hs flamer in havoc tho

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Ogryn and Boss nuking

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prob maniac + unyielding

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Man...

maybe this update might not be half as bad

I was super doom and gloom cause I genuinely thought Veteran was getting jack shit aside from like

Shotty buffs

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with maniac, helbore IV crit weakspot vs flamer is 2065 with update

up to 10m

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Flamers also have like

1400 on Auric

havoc though isn't it like

2000

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2100 health

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I dont really pay attention on Havoc is just wing it till it dies

and it usually works

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ok maniac prob not worth

still needs inverse falloff to 1hs

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why you see me running Vigil taxe in havoc and it works LMAO

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Weapon Specialist Helbore about to be real
Idk how to feel about it

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nah

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Happy

should feel happy

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still slow draw speed

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FT and MMF are insanely good on Helbys now but like

WS isn't the best

but it works

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But faster

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it's around plasma's draw-to-fire time (a little slower than plasma)

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we might see a sudden

influx

of Helby users

that or Shotty users

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Shotgun probably

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agripinaa shotgun biggest winner of the shotgun buffs

helbore buffs are good

eviscerator buffs are good

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The iron sights and charge shots of helby still dropping people off

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that too

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the iron sights on 90% of weapons in this game suck tbf

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actually they nerfed helbore IV lol

ADS FOV reduced by 20 degrees

gg