veteran-class

[midnight wyvern]

Stuff actually gets done, I don't have to kill everything

People with friends have it good man

[tall torrent]

Bruh steam deleted my link

[midnight wyvern]

Lol

[midnight wyvern]

All that damage the Psword?

Or ogryns too

[loud belfry]

the push attack -> m1 is crazy on the psword

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher

This was pubs

And teammates were clearly new

U can get them to work together with simple setups like that

[midnight wyvern]

Bonk

I wish ogryns had a 2h hammer

[tall torrent]

Well

They’ve been leaked

[midnight wyvern]

I know that's basically just a blunt Paxe but I just want to home run a groaner

[midnight wyvern]

Excellent

[tall torrent]

There’re 3 2-handed hammers for ogryn

[tall torrent]

Which means they’re probably coming in 2028

[loud belfry]

[midnight wyvern]

Star citizen leaks moment

[iron marten]

I wonder how long vt2 fans had to wait when they saw leaks

[open ravine]

Man it's not even leaks we got to wait years for just look at verses
https://youtu.be/7rYRGu9ImjE?si=CUumIAaGtFUYgQlu

They announced it in 2019 and it only released this year

[tropic notch]

I got told I need a real job instead of playing vet today after playing like this in a auric male pub

I need to set up my stuff for nivida to record a match

Maybe I’ll finally be cool

[analog timber]

Hey all I just hit 30 wondering what build everyone is using atm?

[open ravine]

I don't have any particular builds but you should list your mains so people can help you even better

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

This is what I use

[dusty nacelle]

Is that a power sword animation cancel? how do u do this? 👀

[analog timber]

List my main where?

[iron marten]

ouch

[stoic thorn]

Yalls

Plasma gun exe stance

[grand perch]

Immediately double barrel pilling the fresh 30

[tall torrent]

Press block

[open ravine]

Well just ask the same question but list the weapon you like most and someone will give you a build around that weapon. Always best to go with what you like and know then branch out to other stuff

[analog timber]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mister-es-mvp-vet

love this build but wish it was a bit more tanky

[midnight wyvern]

Just dodge enemy

[analog timber]

yeah more practice i think

[open ravine]

Strange seems to be a pretty tanky build as there is a lot of toughness Regen in there

[normal bay]

Just spam shout more

You could also drop something for "close order drill" at the top centre. Maybe reciprocity or focus target?

[analog timber]

yeah dont think im using the mechanics enough i just had a really good run using them alot more

materials is the issue now for upgrading but will get there

[grand perch]

That build suffers from Youtuberitis

[dusty nacelle]

Is this build stupid to run on a plasma gun/power sword build and if so what should i chjange about it?

[safe kiln]

U don’t need suppression immunity node with plasma gun

[dusty nacelle]

What else?

[safe kiln]

Can’t get suppressed with braced weapons

[grand perch]

Switch get back in the fight to catch a breath immediately or be executed

[safe kiln]

Rending strikes won’t do much for you

You’ll probably get more out of desperado

New catch a breath is pretty decent now as long as your dodge and push game is on point

[dusty nacelle]

oooh okay

[open ravine]

Plasma already has max rending so more rending does nothing

[dusty nacelle]

Where should I put the point from rending into? I replaced get back in the fight with catch a breath

[safe kiln]

Desperado is a good node, melee finesse and crit

[dusty nacelle]

I got desperado, removed the suppression immunity node for it

[grand perch]

You could go demo team for even more grenades

[safe kiln]

Demo team gets better the more elites there are

[grand perch]

Or kill zone

Personally I'd go demo team

[dusty nacelle]

Got it, ty! 🙏
will try a few missions with these changes

Ah also, I'm assuming bomber/flamer resistance doesn't give me resistance to the fire they shoot or leave behind?

[grand perch]

It does do that but it's not worth it

[fossil lake]

I know penance numbers are silly but I've been grinding the Weapons Specialist one for like 10 games so far. Meanwhile I got The one for Close and Kill in 1 mission

[safe kiln]

What’s the weapon spec penance?

My fav vet keystone is weapon spec so it’s been a long time since I finished that one

[fossil lake]

kill 250 spec or elite with crit-weakspot hits while WS is active

[safe kiln]

Oh kill three chaff mobs the use the guaranteed crit with something that can one shot specialists

You’ll get it done in no time

Best done in HISTG modifier missions

[fossil lake]

im at 143

It's crazy how specific that one is

vs

"walk"

[safe kiln]

U just gotta utilize the guaranteed ranged crits and high melee crit that weapon spec gets

[normal bay]

You've seen nothing yet

Marksmans focus penance

[fossil lake]

you dont get melee crit off weapon spec

ranged crit is first shot only

[safe kiln]

You get plenty of melee crit in the tree leading to it

You only need one shot to kill a specialist with say plasma bolt pistol or revolver

[fossil lake]

marksmans focus one is painful to do but at least the grind is easy just crabwalking in mortis trials

cant wait to troll my team with smoke nades to get that one

[safe kiln]

Smoke one was easy just throw one into a horde every time one spawned

[fossil lake]

krak one is taking forever because it's typically 1 kill per nade

[safe kiln]

Yeah that one took the longest out of all the vet penances for me tho u can cheese it by krak nading groups of flak enemies

Since flak counts to the kill counter too

[fossil lake]

and then cry when the horde gets cleared by teammates before the nade blows up

[normal bay]

Higher diffs help, since enemies close up tight. Foak also counts as armour if you weren't aware

[safe kiln]

The pains of using krak grenades 🙂

[fossil lake]

vet's my focus rn since I'm done ogryn and only need the private match penance for zealot

[grand perch]

Btw that's not true. Plasma has less than 1 ADM on flak and carapace, rending "helps" with that. It just doesn't really achieve new BPs

[open ravine]

Okay almost max rending but it's so high that the damage gain from rending is negligible

[grand perch]

It doesn't have innate rending, I want to point that out. Rending increases your ADM The 10% rending would increase the carapace ADM from ~0.64 to 0.74.

Flak goes from 0.88 to 0.98

[night marten]

Warp Shenanigans, one of the "No Hopers" survived alongside morrow and turns out.

It was....HIMSELF!!!!!

[grand perch]

If time is just optional in the warp why does no one go back and warn the emperor of Horus: betrayal? Are they stupid?

[balmy flume]

Warp travel shenanigans actually make this a possibility

[open ravine]

Because you can't change history like how a Ork once killed his past self and didn't just disappear

Everytime a new timeline is made it basically gets deleted

Only the main timeline is true

[grand perch]

Orks being based as always

Krumping an entire timeline

[night marten]

Ordo Chornos will find you.

[open ravine]

He did it to get a second one of his favourite gun so he can rock 2

[grand perch]

[night marten]

Why don't they la, straggle horus int he crib...is morrow stupid?

[open ravine]

The baby primarks would actually strangle you because they were built different from birth

[night marten]

He'd let out a manly bald...WAH!!

Then spindash him in half.

[stiff glacier]

Primarchs having invincible reversals at birth

[vivid silo]

Where did you get these numbers from? They don't match what I could remember, I was pretty sure the only ADM that was <100 was for Carapace (which was around 0.9 for near, 0.61 for far). Flak should be a bit over 1.0 (both near/far)

[thorn lark]

Maybe Big E knew and didn't want to deal with a fallen Sanguinius.

[nimble wadi]

Hi Keet! long time no see

[thorn lark]

Hi $tan!

[clever hedge]

One day closer to shotgun meta. 4 arbites 4 shotguns 4 dogos.

[steep flower]

I used shotguns before they were cool

[clever hedge]

Hipster shotty meta

Did to though, it was not strong enough to damnation though

[crisp oak]

Yes

I used it when it was cool and way after it was cool

(Kantrael)

[true jackal]

it was and is plenty strong enough to do damnation, it just on the lower and of that and feels like shit to use 90% of the time

[stiff glacier]

Hell my hipstering with shotty psyker and exec stance shotty gonna get overshadowed

[clever hedge]

One day we will get that 2h chainaxe. One day

[true jackal]

😔

[sudden cedar]

Combat Shotguns are good enough for Havoc 40.

[dry cloak]

They are not

[true jackal]

skill matters more then equipment generally, yeah

[sudden cedar]

They totally are.

[true jackal]

the only thing that needs to be viable for havoc 40 is you

that doesn't mean using certain equipment doesn't make it easier or harder though

[sudden cedar]

I agree, there are some that aren't.

[unreal nova]

But then you get ppl judging you on it. Also, number of ppl trying papa's build is hilarious. They fold in the first fight after the start drop down.

[true jackal]

Papa's builds?

[sudden cedar]

Maybe he's just built different.

[unreal nova]

Shotgun+chain axe.

[sudden cedar]

Maybe they all just suck at the game and think otherwise because they use meta weapons.

Who knows, really.

[unreal nova]

Is embarassing considering they shouldn't be running on excessive ping as well.

[sudden cedar]

You see, you are actually way better compared to a lot others.

You can play decently well with high ping

[unreal nova]

Naw, I just run on panic. I die more now since not living on 24/7 panic.

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough.

[sonic kayak]

The ping is not bad

It's when you start sliding that it is

[unreal nova]

Questionable packet loss in play as well.

[true jackal]

go find them then

if you lost them

smh my head

[sonic kayak]

If you're not sliding around and being attacked in real time while your character forgets how to attack, it's not too bad

[true jackal]

if you ain't playin darktide irl trying to go to the gas station, you ain't doin it right

[sonic kayak]

Dodging the shambling hordes on the way to get your slurpee

[true jackal]

we got bruisers here in the midwest us

complete with half wearing a bucket on their head and the other half not wearing a helmet

[sonic kayak]

Missing noses and all

[true jackal]

that too

[sonic kayak]

Can't forget the unintelligible mumbling

[true jackal]

https://imgur.com/a/N2VzrXb

[unreal nova]

But could just be talking to self.

[sonic kayak]

Nah

In the mid-west, everyone has to be talking to someone

Even if said someone doesn't understand you

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[steep flower]

Wait really? Damn… it is by no means an easy build if i have to judge it myself but… yeah

[unreal nova]

They fold lul.

[steep flower]

Not that surprised; it requires strategy and general game sense

[true jackal]

which combat shotty do you use?

[steep flower]

But if they plan on playing let me know i will show them how it can shine

[steep flower]

Fire slug one; by many considered the worst

[vivid silo]

I think it might be tough on people that aren't used to either weapon. Generally I would advise to only change up 1 weapon at a time if you aren't super experienced

[true jackal]

chaxe and fire shotty gives you an answer to pretty much anything, they just aren't the typically answers people are used to

[steep flower]

Cause ‚Ugh, numbers show its dogshit why would i ever use it’

Lmao i say

[sudden cedar]

The answer people typically use is the Duelling Sword

And if that fails they eject themselves from the mission and try again

[vivid silo]

Aye actually having to engage in mechanics is probably a no-go for many people 😄

[true jackal]

I hadn't used it until recently (also recently came back from a break from the game) and damn

it really is that op huh

[sudden cedar]

Mechanics? In my Darktide? No way.

[steep flower]

1 word for those ppl; Pepega

[sudden cedar]

Also, what is cover? We have the Psyker Bubble for that?

[unreal nova]

They were pf pubs lul.

[sonic kayak]

People use meta weapons because they can't be bothered to learn others

I use meta weapons because I think they are cool weapons and don't care about the meta

[steep flower]

Awww… then probably won’t gonna catch them

[unreal nova]

Knoife knoife knoife.

[sudden cedar]

Either they do not want to learn others or they know that if they swap, they would fold because meta weapons may elevate them far beyond what they should be doing

[unreal nova]

EU pf though, so who knows.

[steep flower]

But its nice to see ppl try it out cause they saw me play it/heard about it and see it works wonders - thats good enough for me

[vivid silo]

If nothing else, some overconfident people get taken down a notch or two

[sudden cedar]

Don't tell them that you did pick up almost every bit of ammunition on the map

[sonic kayak]

Father William, sometimes your kids need to be taught better

[true jackal]

hopefully they fix that problem next week

[steep flower]

I’m single

[sudden cedar]

Reminds me of those people who use a dodge counter with the duelling sword and still get fucked and blame.. well.. something else. Not them.

[true jackal]

that's what always felt bad about shotguns to me, they don't deal enough damage to warrant how low ammo they have, if they fix either end of that i'll be set

[sonic kayak]

That's ok, you can be a reverse Virgin Mary

[steep flower]

Usually lag

[sudden cedar]

Yes, usually lag.

Accompanied by "No way this hit me"

"I dodged it"

[true jackal]

I mean I don't necessarily blame them i've had a lot recently where I felt like I could see the net going beside me and it hit me

[sudden cedar]

Nets are weird.

[steep flower]

Ngl rarely those happen to me too; nobodys perfect

[sudden cedar]

But if it hits, it hit. Nothing i say can change that.

[uneven garnet]

Dogs through walls and stairs rails get me more than I care to admit

[sudden cedar]

Nets are weird, objects are weird.

Like that one container where.. you would think it is cover, but somehow the net is allowed to go through it.

[true jackal]

I mean I'll drop something in the chat as I am on the floor waiting to get picked up, usually just "that was bullshit" or something

[steep flower]

Man; i need to show my fellow kinsman how its done

[sudden cedar]

I wouldn't say that, more like.. "skill issue"

[true jackal]

sometimes though I do feel myself dodge into a wall as I get hit, and i'll say that I felt it coming as I fucked up the dodge, just so I feel less bad

[sudden cedar]

I mean DID YOU GET HIT OR NOT?

Skill issue.

[true jackal]

can be both tbf

[unreal nova]

Or they leave after raging.

[unreal nova]

No. I just get hit even with inf dodges. Lag is a mess if you have more than 150 ping.

[supple stag]

Any of you remember perks and blessings for Mk XII Chainaxe? Gold fish memory kicks in

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova I know Kari, i know. I make an exception for you.

[true jackal]

slaught and thrust/headtaker for blessings

[steep flower]

Have you tried mk4 instead?

[sudden cedar]

You are our Aura-bot after all

[supple stag]

Not yet

I haven't tried any of them much

[steep flower]

Do et; its much better than XII

[unreal nova]

I found out oggies barely crit. +10% changes nothing.

[supple stag]

How so?

[sudden cedar]

Correct. That is where you get Ogryn magic.

Lucky bullet.

[unreal nova]

They ended with like less than 10% of my total crits each.

[steep flower]

Better moveset primarily, rev mechanic is more advantegous in terms of being safer & faster; its a long talk

And i’m at work

[supple stag]

Sorry to hear that

[steep flower]

Another day, another $

[supple stag]

I just need blessings + perks and I'll figure out myself

[steep flower]

Ppl use headtaker & slaughterer, i personally use bloodletter & thunderous

Thrust is nice on XII too

[supple stag]

I'll check both combos and see for myself

For mk4 you just spam lights on elites? Or you rev and do a light?

[true jackal]

are you using it primarily for cracking hard targets?

[steep flower]

Just be aware that even if you would have infinite cleave you will dmg at best 4 enemies in 1 swing with diminishing returns cause chainaxe has such a mechanic to it; it ain’t a horde clearing weapon by any means thats another reason why XII is worse than IV

[supple stag]

I'll pair it with stuff like DB shotgun or something

[steep flower]

Yes & to CC the chaf; Push attack - heavy, rince & repeat, if you have enough space/horde is not dense you can heavy - heavy

[steep flower]

Works with any range really

[sudden cedar]

Have you thought about using a Combat Shotgun?

[supple stag]

I'm just exploring options, as much as I love Taxe 7, Power Sword, Agri shotgun, I want some other things

[steep flower]

Also as i return home in like… max 4h? I can show you & explain everything

[supple stag]

No idea if I'll be available in 4 hours

[sonic kayak]

Don't worry

[supple stag]

I was set with my Austrian friend to play some PAYDAY 2 or 3, depending on his mood

[sonic kayak]

He can tell me everything and then I will forget to tell you

[supple stag]

[steep flower]

Pepe brain moment

[supple stag]

I will reach you out though if I magically be free

[steep flower]

I LIKE THIS

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-scientist-half-life-dance-gmod-dance-gmod-emote-gif-1401030776511100019

[steep flower]

You rev and do a light yes; very fast and since chainaxes stun everything exept bosses & mutants its safe; you can shut down an overhead from crushers

[supple stag]

It's so silly, cause Eviscerator can't shut them, despite being much more menancing weapon

xdd

[steep flower]

MkIII first heavy can but only that

[supple stag]

First heavy, the sweeping one? Doesn't sound too effecient to use

but idk, I don't really like Mk III evis myself

[tame lodge]

Good

It's shit

Relic of old

[steep flower]

It does; any crit can stun too BUT if you take ‚Hammer of Faith’ (30% impact bonus) your heavy revs on all evis can stun

[supple stag]

Mk XV feels better

but still isn't the dream weapon for me

[steep flower]

Its simpler

[supple stag]

It's just a chainexecutioner's sword

[tame lodge]

Because it is better

In every aspect

[steep flower]

Its main weakness is dodge distance really and mixed hordes, especially with ragers

[supple stag]

also, what perks I go for Mk IV chainaxe?

[steep flower]

Also has worse push att than the mkIII

[steep flower]

Unyielding & cara; ppl go flak but you do soo much dmg to flak it does not need it

[sonic kayak]

wdym? You don't like the stab that isn't a stab and it magnetizes into bulwark shields?

[supple stag]

aye gotcha

[steep flower]

No; stop the cap

[supple stag]

I'll start with my basic VoC WS build with it, running an autogun with it

Agri inf one

[tame lodge]

Evis15 doesn't struggle with ragers

The light attacks have the "sticky" property

[sonic kayak]

Maybe you shoud... Father. dramatic reveal music

[tame lodge]

Which stagger Ragers

[supple stag]

Ragers aren't too bad to fight with Mk XV

Dreg ones at least

[steep flower]

You mean ‚mini revs’ right? On XV its on heavy atts not lights

[tame lodge]

Nope

Light attacks have the sticky property

Which is probably an oversight by FS

And should get fixed

[supple stag]

Headtaker Slaughterer time

[frank monolith]

:D

rip someones true surv ||one of us didnt have it but i have it||

[tame lodge]

Then you have guns using "melee" as stagger property

[steep flower]

Helbore?

[tame lodge]

No no
A bunch of guns

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

A list would be… insightful

[true jackal]

most normal fatshark coding

[grand perch]

i was at work and using the lowest numbers stated in the gameslantern damage tables. so yes, i used the ADM at the worst range as an example, flak is actually better, as you said

[true jackal]

what is your recommended tac axe, it's one of my last weapons to finish mastering

[grand perch]

incoming hater

[tame lodge]

My recommendation is none

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-cat-wider-gif-3879805434184283975

[tame lodge]

Anyways 2 or 7

[grand perch]

go 7 its the most straightforward

[tame lodge]

Mk4 if you can click your mouse at light speed

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-broken-fingers-broken-hands-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-12264054

[tame lodge]

Btw Love this gif

[true jackal]

I steal 90% of my gifs from here

i've never seen a wider variety of silly cat gifs then in this server

[tropic notch]

He doesn’t like my build 🥀

[supple stag]

@steep flower it's alright, I guess

Bullying Maulers, Ragers and Crushers was amazing

[grand perch]

project "make ilas mk IX be great against carapace" is going well

[steep flower]

Always 7

[grand perch]

and i dont like mr Es build so it all balances out

[tropic notch]

That build is some slop

[true jackal]

I swear if they ever make the hipfire on the lasguns not shit, i'll become neo

[tropic notch]

Laspistol

Unironically

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[tame lodge]

Then they will tell you that Space Marines can survive lasguns

Smh

[tropic notch]

It already does that

[true jackal]

it doesn't vibe as hard for me as doing it with the full rifle but I do enjoy laspistoling because of that reason

[steep flower]

Ikr; that is its purpose

[steep flower]

Which mark you used? Mk4 or 12?

[supple stag]

4

Headtaker Slaughterer

I'm thinking of replacing slaughterer with bloodletter or whatever it was called

[stuck meteor]

So realistically, can combat knife + bolt pistol + infiltrate be viable in high havoc?

[tame lodge]

That's just grenadier

So yeah

[ornate dirge]

Anything can be viable

[sudden cedar]

Combat Shotguns can be viable in Havoc 40

Even the Agripinaa

[tropic notch]

In my opinion i think stealth in general is bad but if you’re good enough anything will work

[open ravine]

But everything else is better

[ornate dirge]

Scripture push only, no talent points run

[tropic notch]

But the power sword is really good for havoc I’d still recommend using that

[stuck meteor]

I get that, and I'm the type to practice and learn and get better.. ive just recently passed 100 hours and only made it up to havoc 20 so far across two characters so I was wondering if I'll start being a liability at some point

[tropic notch]

Tbh good vets on havoc keep everyone alive with born leader and voc

[sudden cedar]

The short answer might be a yes.

Just keep practicing, playing the game, enjoying it.

Even grizzled veterans make mistakes.

[stuck meteor]

Fair enough, I really love the weapon combo and ability for the gameplay loop, I just wasn't sure how masochistic Id be being sticking to it

[steep flower]

Ofc

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build id try this if you love the knife

[stuck meteor]

Terrible Vet Build

Lol

[tropic notch]

[sudden cedar]

[tropic notch]

It’s ass don’t use it

[steep flower]

[sonic kayak]

Not like A Pimp Named Slickback

[hollow ibex]

You say it’s ass, yet you’re running double barrel. Curious.

[tropic notch]

I need to rename the rest of my builds to “terrible”

[sonic kayak]

Honestly though that looks like a standard WS build to me

[tropic notch]

Das da joke it’s really good

[sonic kayak]

I actually do have a very similar build that uses Infiltrate

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[unreal nova]

'Nade bot, aura bot, pew pew bot.

Block DH (like a) bot?

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent does born leader senergize with cab?

I’d like to think it does

[hollow ibex]

pretty sure it does, but just doesn't do shit becuase how low the numbers are

[unreal nova]

Is like 15% of 5%.

So nice top up, but you won't really notice it unless you ate 1 big hit and somehow take no other damage and watch it crawl back up.

[hollow ibex]

ok this might actually convince me to try shock maul again

the combos always felt super awkward

[grand perch]

helbore buffs

Detailed Changes - Lucius Helbore Lasguns
Damage profiles

Near charged shot
    adm vs Unarmoured from 1 to 1.1
    adm vs Maniac from 1 to 1.25
    adm vs Infested from 1 to 1.1
Far charged shot
    adm vs Unarmoured from 1 to 1.25
    adm vs Infested from 1 to 1.25
All shots Finesse Boost
    vs Carapace armour from 0.1 to 0.2
    vs Maniac from 0.25 to 0.35
    vs Unyielding from 0.25 to 0.3
Special Slash
    Added Ignore stagger reduction
    1st target finesse multiplier from 0.75 to 1

better wield time too

[azure sage]

im too dumb to know what adm means

[grand perch]

maniac damage big increase hel yeah

[faint beacon]

Was about to say cause I dont play it enough

is the Helby buffs actually impactful

cause all I know is that Taxe buffs weren't needed but absolutely welcomed

[crude wind]

Hellbore going straight to S tier

[faint beacon]

and the Shotty's did need the buffs (minus DB)

Honestly I'll have to make some Helby builds

see how it performs come the 23rd

Especially with OM pathing

[grand perch]

with even more finesse boost, MMF will do even more stupid damage

[crude wind]

it's very good

[hollow ibex]

oh wow helbore buffs

[faint beacon]

I'd rather do FT tbh

[normal bay]

Shock Maul buffs

At least I think...

What do the numbers mean Mason?

[grand perch]

im born to click heads this is great for me

[faint beacon]

Im just hoping it makes Melee and Ranged swapping a bit easier

[crude wind]

it's much more fluid now

[grand perch]

yeah wield times much faster

[faint beacon]

cause it was just a wee bit too much down time for me

[hollow ibex]

sorry but this is not saving helby iv's bayo lmfao

[faint beacon]

hence I stuck with Vigilants

with this?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[faint beacon]

You might see me play Helbys actually

[faint beacon]

Stab head

its not terrible and it gets melee buffs

[hollow ibex]

i wonder if it can even kill 2 poxxers

in a single slash

[faint beacon]

so you run Desperado etc

[grand perch]

Duelling Swords

We are currently undertaking a comprehensive rework of the weapon, examining every aspect. While a damage reduction is probable, and will likely contribute to the solution, our aim is to bring its power level in line with other weapons while reinforcing its player fantasy and raising its skill ceiling.
Plasma Gun

We recognise that the Plasma Gun’s primary attack presents an issue. This often leads to gameplay revolving around quick attacks, bypassing the intended trade-offs associated with the potent, yet volatile, secondary charged attacks.

ds and plasma abusers in the corner like

[faint beacon]

might help with a Rager getting in your face

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[faint beacon]

Good

suffer

Real veterans dont need to rely on the absolute best of the best to get stuck in

[hollow ibex]

shotgun buffs seem very nice

[faint beacon]

Also Shaul Changes

Idk if that'll be enough

but I mean hey

it gets changes

Nothing of Vigilants, I'll cope with experimenting with Helbys

[open ravine]

Damnit fatshark are thinking about nerfing the plasma uncharged shots even though it's fine where

[faint beacon]

seeing I've always been interested its just that damned current swap speed

They are NOT fine

[hollow ibex]

i'm more cocnerned about the dclaw changes

[faint beacon]

they're reworking the gun to encourage M2 firing which You might actually see me use Plasma when that happens

[hollow ibex]

plasma needs more of a rework

[faint beacon]

such a snoozefest of a gun

[hollow ibex]

so it's prob why they're not changing it now

[open ravine]

Plasma is even popular enough for them to Nerf they should leave it alone

[bronze trout]

Poor regular lasguns get nothing

[faint beacon]

Another update of being ignored

ILAS 🤝 Vigilants

[open ravine]

In what way it feels great once you learn to use it

[hollow ibex]

true...

[hollow ibex]

i know how to use it. it's just boring as fuck.

[faint beacon]

I'll trust what Johnny is saying

and view this change as pretty huge for Helbys

[open ravine]

Then it's not for you so just leave it alone

[faint beacon]

so you might see me playing them for a while

[slow sky]

I wonder why its popular
Because it does way too much with no risk?

[faint beacon]

M2 Plasma...

[hollow ibex]

correct. and that's exactly what i do. i haven't touched my plasma in months

[faint beacon]

dead in the water

concept so fucking cool

[hollow ibex]

brought it out twice after buying it

[faint beacon]

try years

🚬

[unreal nova]

You spend like 2 mil on it, uses it once on a sedation mission mostly to count number of shots then never touched it again.

[hollow ibex]

is op stupid? that already existsi n the game

[tacit solar]

so uhh when power sword getting its rework to be like relic blade?

[hollow ibex]

its called the rumbler

[grand perch]

it needs a rework so it isnt mindless left click spam

[hollow ibex]

don't hold your breath

[open ravine]

So you don't use or even try it nowadays but you think it should be reworked despite players who do use it being happy with it just wow that is a bit arrogant

[noble epoch]

Vro…..

[cunning sandal]

Thoughts on Helbore changes, and the mention of future Plasma changes?

[hollow ibex]

it's not like plasma has changed at all since i played it. sorry that my opinion makes you so butthurt.

[grand perch]

very gud

[tacit solar]

power sword has fun back when i could use slaughter and bm on it tho very op, kinda hate using it now that i gotta use one blessing slot on 3 energized hits

[unreal nova]

It's OP though. Not even just a cut above. Is like comparing the top of a mountain to a seaside cliff from sea level.

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-get-away-shoo-disappear-gif-5683568285290773389

[hollow ibex]

i don't care for nerfing vet stuff

in general

[open ravine]

How does that make it different from the bolters?

[hollow ibex]

there's no reason why anything vet related should be nerfed

[true jackal]

the plamsa changes sounds like they'd take the weapon in a direction that I personally find more fun then what it is now

[tacit solar]

real

[tacit solar]

if anything vet needs left tree reworked

[unreal nova]

More power should be put into charge shot over quick shot to make it worth charging.

[open ravine]

Is it because there is a sizeable amount of people who think it weak for some unknown reason

[grand perch]

haha

ahahaha

bahaha

[hollow ibex]

i saw that one guy here complaining plasma is weak

[unreal nova]

It's not weak. If you were saying inf las, sure.

[hollow ibex]

but he got dunked on pretty hard

[dapper vessel]

Alongside this change, we improved some of the armour and Finesse modifiers for ranged shots, and extended the hitscan radius of the las projectiles*, to make it easier for the weapon to shine as a marksman tool.

This will make the hitscan detection more generous and allow for shots that would have slightly missed the target to still be considered a hit.```

woohoo ![NODDERS](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162203209385906298.webp?size=128 "NODDERS")

[unreal nova]

Inf las is a gun that forces 100% hed shot to be worth using.

[true jackal]

plasma feels bad to me, but I recognize how powerful it is when I spam it into a horde of elites and kill them all

[open ravine]

You are the one butthurt considering you are swearing about something you don't even use

[tacit solar]

fr tho crazy that they would buff helbore then announce a potential nerf for plasma

[faint beacon]

Its incredibly overpowered and boring

there is no like

Oomph behind it that Bolter has

when using it

its Point and click to win

[unreal nova]

I will only agree it feels clunky to use, more so with my 300 ping.

[noble epoch]

What is your ethnicity?

I’m interested in calling you a slur

[faint beacon]

thats why im patiently waiting this rework to make M2 actually good

and nerf M1

[grand perch]

yeah no

[steep flower]

You know what i would do? If you spam light shots on plasma you NEVER overload unlike the secondary fire… make it so you do so you have to vent manually

[nimble hazel]

I guess I can see how you'd consider the Plasma Gun weak if you like

Don't know how to use it

And used charged shots exclusively

With a poorly built one

[noble epoch]

Im just joking vro

[unreal nova]

Just add the risk to quick shots.

[hollow ibex]

nuh uh! you are.

[tacit solar]

ive tried one of the "meta" plasma builds and i personally hate it

[steep flower]

What i said

[faint beacon]

You'd kill 90% of veteran players with that change

[nimble hazel]

Yeee a bit more power to the charged shots and allowing the quick shots to overload you if you fire it at 100% would make the plasma a lot more interesting to use

[faint beacon]

damn too bad I only use Vigilants LMAO

[open ravine]

I am hoping this makes them feel more aggressive as my main issue with hellbore is it feels slow in hectic situations but that could just be me not knowing how to use it

[steep flower]

Unfortunate; cope, adapt or die

[faint beacon]

You know what cause fuck it, it would be funny

Make M2 hard stagger also

[unreal nova]

They can git gud. I play melee 'nadier on vet. They fold immediately when a walker walks up to them.

[tacit solar]

fr tho instead of worrying about weapons they need to fix Havoc 40 being easier than 20-30

[faint beacon]

fuck that Carapace horde, knock them on their asses

[nimble hazel]

Also the incidental heavy sword buffs sound nice

[open ravine]

I'm a minority is all I am saying. Guess which one

[true jackal]

the mk7 heavy sword is one of the most stylish weapon in the game

[nimble hazel]

The Heavy Sword is one of the best designed weapons IMO

[faint beacon]

You instantly get good when you're using the "bad" weapons on Veteran and consistently top scoring over Plasma users LMAO

[nimble hazel]

It's strong, but has some weaknesses

[noble epoch]

The thing with plasma is that it has all the lore upsides that a plasma gun has but none of the downsides, it should be powerful and kill stuff quickly but it also should have the downside of exploding and being a risk to the user

[nimble hazel]

Fun to use

[faint beacon]

Vigilant + Taxe my beloved

[noble epoch]

Currently there’s only the upside

[nimble hazel]

and also taking several minutes to reload

[tacit solar]

silly thats why you use weapons master 🤓

[grand perch]

no you dont

[nimble hazel]

Me when a character runs out of ammo in one of the novels

[grand perch]

if you cant find a space to reload between fights what the heck are you doing

[dapper vessel]

yeah valid concern which Im sure the Playtesters come forward with it too

[open ravine]

No you know how much that would gut the weapon, pykers get risk on uncharged because they have ways to mitigate the risk while the vet doesn't.

[grand perch]

wasting a vlauable point on always ready for plasma...

[loud belfry]

so much could be fixed about carapace if we could damage armor and it would either be desteoyed or reduced in effectiveness

[dapper vessel]

enemy density makes switching back and forth between melee and ranged sucks

with the helbore

[nimble hazel]

I feel like the way to mitigate the risk is to hold the weapon special button every now and again

For like

[noble epoch]

The humble brittleness:

[nimble hazel]

Half a second, really

[dapper vessel]

bayonetting things stops being safe once you require to push

[tacit solar]

did yall know that with always prepared one melee kill will give you a bd shotty shot

[unreal nova]

That's just player skill. Damnation is easier than heresy for the same reason.

[grand perch]

yeah and thats awesome.
and conversely, its a waste of a point for plasma

[tacit solar]

yeah it just makes it a slog to get though tho

[unreal nova]

Yes, but I knoife gremlin so derp.

[tacit solar]

not if you get 10 melee kills thats 1/3rd of mag

never reload

[unreal nova]

Just press special button. .-. Or use blessings.

[nimble hazel]

It's a very unnecessary pick with Plasma

but a nice convenience pick if you have a spare point tbh

[hollow ibex]

always prepared?

yeah not really worth on plasma

[nimble hazel]

Yeah

Not worth if you're trying to build everything perfectly

But again, a nice convenience pick if you have a spare point and don't care about being perfectly optimised or something

[grand perch]

i still dont know what content creator made it popular to think that way when you already never need to reload in a fight

[tacit solar]

https://tenor.com/view/gleemies-gleemboss-gif-23542767

[noble epoch]

In things like havoc or other situations where you don’t have time to reload it’s a really nice thing

[unreal nova]

I don't even take it with my Bistol because point taxing is real.

[grand perch]

you have time in havoc

and you need the points elsewhere

[noble epoch]

Not when you play with randoms

[tacit solar]

not with the pugs i get

[grand perch]

if youre going for the hardest content

if youre not finding space to reload with a gun that takes this long to empty, thats a skill issue

[unreal nova]

Depends on teammates tbh. You could get really bad ones that won't spare you the space to reload. Or you get ones that cover you as you reload a flamer or so.

[tacit solar]

yeah on my teammates part

[void dragon]

Shock maul, Helbore and Shotguns buffs, this is a dream I don't want to wake up

[hollow ibex]

the shotgun buffs look pretty big

[neon current]

I knew it all along, taxes are back baby!

[void dragon]

Even the DB got buffed, I'm joy

[neon current]

DB just needs the screenshake removed

like complete fuckin ly

[void dragon]

Taxe enjoyers in glee

[hollow ibex]

DB needs more buffs

[neon current]

nah

jsut get rid of the fuckin earthquake

DB is fine

[void dragon]

Nah, it performs amazing in a skirmishing build

[hollow ibex]

should get more pellets, and wider spread

[pseudo fiber]

Path gotta write the fucking steam guide again lmfao

[hollow ibex]

steam guide delayed for another 3 months

[void dragon]

Wonder if he reached those weapons, his progress was always slow

[neon current]

I've pretty much only been playing DC taxe evis zealot too

[pseudo fiber]

He's working hard bless him I'm fine waiting

[neon current]

this patch was made with me in mind lel

[pseudo fiber]

Either way these are some nice ass buffs

The evi changes especially

That's been a long long long time coming

[void dragon]

Finally have some excuse to use zealot evicerator again, I'm joy

[nimble hazel]

Hooo yeah

Relic Blade my beloved, but I'm real interested in seeing how Eviscerators will perform

[true jackal]

perfect strike shred crit vicserator gonna go crazy

[open ravine]

So yes plasma needs some work

1. Uncharged needs less armour pen so charged is more attractive.
2. Charged needs more damage and perhaps cleave against ogryn because that is one of the reasons people go light over charged is you encounter lots of ogryn packs and charging each shot for one ogryn is too slow.
3. The weapon should not be made more punishing as that is just anti fun and doesn't actually help balance it.
4. Plasma needs some variants because I want my explosive version or a pistol version with higher mobility and swap speed

[tacit solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1102811722303148065/1107468054956351568/ezgif-5-bbc9b070d7.gif

[unreal nova]

So I'll actually be in a grave when it's done.

[noble epoch]

Vro…

[void dragon]

We all be in our servitor modes when archmagos Path releases the guide

[neon current]

newty's evis 15 havoc build is gonna be one of the best

for when you need to cleave rampage moebians lel

[unreal nova]

Naw, rather ded tbh.

[hollow ibex]

marty evis is so back

[tame lodge]

No duelist

Shit build

[neon current]

lolk

[true jackal]

real

[void dragon]

But when ded you can't read
T H E M A T H

[open ravine]

I had my rant now I can be reasonable

[noble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-guy-looking-at-paper-edit-confused-disturbing-gif-6359318748669667132

[unreal nova]

Why gud.

[noble epoch]

Not taking 30% free crit chance is wild

[neon current]

that's not how scourge works, but hey

it's not my build

[quiet valley]

Helbore and combat shotgun buffs LMAO

[neon current]

I'll figure it out once the buff is live

[void dragon]

Idk, someone said that was really good but me bonehead chip exploded when me try read so idk what means

[tame lodge]

I mean
It's not a piety build

[quiet valley]

VET BUFF 2025 baby

[tame lodge]

So scourge is whatever

But no duelist is crazy work

[neon current]

scourge is whatever on slow weapons to begin with

you get usually 5% at most

he uses it for rampage

not easy to dodge in the thicc of it I suppose

[tame lodge]

No second wind

[void dragon]

More like 3040

[neon current]

nop

[tame lodge]

No sustained Assault

[unreal nova]

Math gud, yes, but headache inducing.

[tame lodge]

Crazy work

[neon current]

not every zealot build has to have duelist and 2nd wind lel

[open ravine]

About time in my opinion

[neon current]

I saw combine run martyr zealot on havoc without either

[tame lodge]

Those are shit builds

[neon current]

now your head's gonna explode!

[tame lodge]

That's the truth

Nope

I can run solo havoc 40 dclaw no parry no dodge no block

Doesn't mean dclaw is good

[noble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[tame lodge]

See what I mean?

[quiet valley]

I mean it’s about to be tho right?

Buffs next update

[tame lodge]

Needs testing

Everything points to a bright future

[loud belfry]

you know fuckign what.

EXISTING is a crutch.

[quiet valley]

Actually doesn’t even matter, shock maul meta time

[tame lodge]

But I think
Therefore I am

[loud belfry]

just a crutch

[unreal nova]

Accept the freedom of death and nothingness.

[void dragon]

Arr-bee-test will make those weapons popular again

[heavy rover]

Helbore buffs letsgooooo

[quiet valley]

Helbore will cook even more now

Less people will sleep on it

I’m mildly worried about the FOV changes tbh tho

[neon current]

doesn't matter how you run DC, it's a shit weapon either way

[trim badger]

That way to phrase the plasma issues

Something tells me they're gonna add the mechanic of blowing yourself with primary fire as well xddd

[void dragon]

It sounds to me that they will make the secondary attack actually worth using

So expect more vets dying as they experience the joys a psyker deals

[unreal nova]

So laughing in the corner.

[true jackal]

I mean I unironically got the psyker achievement for blowing yourself up with the plasma gun(this was near launch)

[noble epoch]

Good.

[void dragon]

Yep just as they are about to explode

[trim badger]

Yeah it would be funny

[void dragon]

Most common causes of death among veterans after patch

• shame for being the 5th best class
• self detonation for misuse of plasma guns

[quiet valley]

I’m actually laughing my ass off they buffed combat shotguns exactly how I predicted, Primarily reload speed and ammo reserve

[heavy rover]

Excuse me you mean 1st best class

[unreal nova]

Being barrelled.

[true jackal]

I mean that is pretty much exactly what they needed

[unreal nova]

Since no change to randoms shooting barrels.

[void dragon]

That's the most common cause of ded among all rejects

[unreal nova]

Thus.

[quiet valley]

Yeah and I’m a so hyped

[void dragon]

Ok, now I need some vet builds that are focused on using the combat shotguns, to be ready to become Arr-bee-test at home

[red robin]

Oh wow

Them balance changes look neat

I wonder if any blessing changes are coming with those weapon types

Devils claw looking a bit more neat now

[void dragon]

Only thing this could be better is ogryn rumbler nerfs

[quiet valley]

Infantry Autoguns could use a new Blessing tbh

Same with Braced

[red robin]

Yo wtf mk7 devils claw looking juicy after a parry

[unreal nova]

BAG could use a buff as well.

[void dragon]

Wonder what is holding ObeseFish from doing a blessing revision

[quiet valley]

Coding

Lmao

How many blessing are still fucking broken af

[red robin]

🙂

[void dragon]

Good point

[red robin]

My dream is for claw swords to have parry based mechanics

Blessings I mean

Counterattack would be so nice on claw

[tame lodge]

Get the close range damage after ability on the right

[hot crag]

Damn, do you guys think* the helbore lasgun will be viable in high end havoc after the update?

[red robin]

12% attack speed for 5 seconds would be neat even if it is nothing burger

[quiet valley]

It already is atm

[red robin]

Also what’s helbore draw timer atm?

[quiet valley]

Just hard to use

[red robin]

2 seconds?

[hot crag]

Yeah I tried that, it just feel to clunky

[tame lodge]

Always have been

[tropic notch]

Hate the plasma nerf

[quiet valley]

This is H40 Helbore MkIV

[void dragon]

You can use Helbore in Havoc, but you need good performance, patch will make that performance less intense for equal results

[nimble hazel]

We're not even getting one yet

They're just spitballing what they might do eventually

[hot crag]

Which version is the best to use? I can't find much difference

[tropic notch]

I honestly hope it stays the same the only time I’m using it is for specials

[quiet valley]

Yeah and it will make current users perform even better, I’m so hyped

[tropic notch]

True I know dat

[noble epoch]

Vro what

[quiet valley]

I find the MkIV the best imo, but all the Marks are good

[tropic notch]

Upcoming dueling sword and plasma nerf

[noble epoch]

I know

[unreal forge]

plasma, ds4 and rumbler are the only problem weapons of this game IMO. rumbler just needs an ammo nerf, it's impossible to run out if you have a lucky bullet build

[quiet valley]

I haven’t used the Plasma in months I literally could not care less

[noble epoch]

That was more directed at the uhhhh

Silly Billyness of the statement

[quiet valley]

Tac Axe is new DSIV

[unreal forge]

it seems they're only nerfing the plasma M1 and nothing else

[void dragon]

Shock maul and combat shotgun buffs means arbites at home

[red robin]

1.5 wield time with 25% draw time talent becomes?

[unreal forge]

they don't want to make the Arbites versions of those weapons be so blatantly better than the F2P versions I guess lol

they probably will still be

[red robin]

1.125 or 1.13?

[tropic notch]

I don’t mind if they make it less spammable or if they change amds i just hope it stays the same for maniacs and specialist

[unreal forge]

hopefully. I don't want to pay for something that's worse than free just saying

[nimble hazel]

I mean, you paid for the game in general. None of it was free.

[unreal nova]

Knowing FS, it is as so. Paid DLC stuff are nearly always coming with something a cut above.

[tropic notch]

So most likely that nerf won’t effect you if you’re using ranged weapon right

[red robin]

Grail knight my beloved

[unreal nova]

Just paying more gets you better stuff.

[unreal forge]

of course but you get my point

[pseudo fiber]

Purg too

[unreal forge]

if I have to pay extra I hope the extra isn't worthless

[nimble hazel]

Ye I get what you're saying, just disagreeing with the phrasing

[unreal forge]

ah yeah, that one too, I forget

[nimble hazel]

Tbh even if the Arbites weapons aren't great the class itself seems fun

[red robin]

Gotta make the chuds happy if they pay for a class, if it winds up being ass and a waste of money they’ll Reddit rage

[nimble hazel]

Gonna be real interesting to see how the inevitable Arbites rework ends up though

[void dragon]

Rework will make so you are the dog

[unreal nova]

Normal. I rather it be more equal in power but that would mean more focus on fixing vet and zel tree and stuff.

[quiet valley]

Man an Exec stance buff would elevate Vet to 3rd worst class…

[red robin]

True

[nimble hazel]

Peak

[unreal nova]

Sidegrades are great.

[gilded wraith]

Add Infernus to that list and we're in agreement. Though the new arbites shotgun might earn an honorable mention soon.

[red robin]

I need vet and zealot rework

[pseudo fiber]

I mean

[hollow ibex]

Rumbler needs to be nerfed into the fucking ground

Starting with its interaction with BLO

[red robin]

Imagine we had the dark ages of having a point tax and swapping to melee ended the buff

[tropic notch]

I think purg is fine they just need to stop buffing psyker

[hollow ibex]

Nerfing ammo solves nothing

[quiet valley]

Yeah Rumbler is ridiculous atm

[pseudo fiber]

For VT2 Grail knight sits comfy in boss killer meta.
Outcast engineer wasn't very good for a while then got buffed into being OP and now is just strong.
Sister of the thorn was broken OP and now is alright/good
Warrior priest is strong but contends with other subclasses
And Necro is also okay.

So as time went on they got better at balancing dlc

[hollow ibex]

Yeah they should prob be nerfing it but it’ll never happen

[pseudo fiber]

What if arbites drops and it sucks

[nimble hazel]

Nerfing ammo just means Gungryns will schlorp up even more ammo than they already do

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

[void dragon]

Dog will carry it

[quiet valley]

Just give Exec stance ranged toughness dmg reduction or regen

[tropic notch]

Rumbler needs a nerf soon

[hollow ibex]

DS of ranged weapons tbh

[red robin]

I wouldn’t mind toughness regen on highlight kills

[unreal nova]

They don't already take 95% of it?

[nimble hazel]

Next Ogryn rework just gives Ogryns access to the duelling sword

[quiet valley]

Yeah for even how OP plasma is you at least need to aim a lil

[void dragon]

Make it so BLO doesn't auto reload the rumbler and damage buffs only work a fraction for explosions instead of fully

[noble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[nimble hazel]

Nothing about DS is changed, Ogryns just get it now.

[unreal nova]

Or complain for more ammo?

[quiet valley]

No more toughness on kill nodes for Vet PLEASE

[nimble hazel]

That's part of why I've been mostly playing Psyker since the Ogryn rework

[hollow ibex]

Toughness on balls shot kill

[nimble hazel]

I don't need to give a shit about them taking ammo if I don't require ammo

[quiet valley]

Toughness on kill only nodes are why Vet is so stinky in Havoc atm

[void dragon]

No nodes, build into the skill

[red robin]

Ok toughness on headshot then

[unreal nova]

Does Arbites have it? Can the dog also have it?

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[nimble hazel]

No and no

The dog can have it when Arbites gets reworked in 13.4 months

the Arbites will then be able to wield the dog while it is wielding the sword

[raw needle]

@warm swallow

[unreal nova]

I just run a selfsufficient vet build... by that I mean 'nades and knoife. My gun is a statstick for 'nades.

[nimble hazel]

Delete this. Wizards of the Coast is gonna send the Pinkertons after you.

[tropic notch]

If they do decide to buff psyker for like the 5th time buff the surge staff

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-sif-and-artorias-gif-4037516424973708623

Arbites… artorias… omg

[warm swallow]

Real

[nimble hazel]

Ahhh, an extremely cool grenade vet

I respect you

[raw needle]

holy shit wrong chat

sorry guys

[quiet valley]

Lmao

[void dragon]

No issue mate

[raw needle]

first one that opened on my phone

[unreal nova]

And Strike. It needs a charge speed buff at bare min.

[red robin]

Cool set bro

[noble epoch]

Cute cat vro

[void dragon]

Give us better blue bawls!

[quiet valley]

Also grenadier Vet without Skirmisher is like an Angel without wings

[unreal nova]

With Field improv and even Born Leader now. Been tweaking it tbh.

[noble epoch]

Wait

Is my discord tweaking or why is there no zealots channel

[void dragon]

Meanwhile me using a stealth veteran grenadier with bolter to make everyone and everything explode

[nimble hazel]

Is Born Leader still dramatically undervalued here

Last time I checked in with Vet chat people didn't like it much

Which was... Like six months ago, maybe more?

[unreal forge]

you implying they should make an exception for how the rumbler interacts with that talent?
have they ever done something like that?

[grand perch]

not quite

[unreal nova]

My bowling staff needs to bowl things faster and better.

[unreal forge]

maybe you muted it or removed it by accident

[loud belfry]

seeing a better reality

[quiet valley]

As it should be

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher Propagandaaaa

[noble epoch]

Oh

Yeah

Mb

[void dragon]

Skirmisher sacks, you just good

[grand perch]

smh not even best boss damage

[noble epoch]

Seeing that it would be a reality without the crusher that is false

[red robin]

Zealot council has exiled you

[grand perch]

db skirmisher?

[void dragon]

What a blessing and honour

[quiet valley]

It sucks unless you are grenade build

[red robin]

Haters will still say it’s ass

[noble epoch]

I didn’t use the throwing knives 💔

[red robin]

Skirmisher my beloved

[loud belfry]

the crusher would merely be an arbites weapon that releases in a week

[quiet valley]

Ogryn in my lobby

[red robin]

Zealot mains are on watch for their own safety if this happens

[void dragon]

It's quite impressive how much good Ogryns can outperform nowadays

[unreal nova]

Is nice in havoc. You can ensure everyone is topped off easily. Might be overkill and bad in lower diffs since not as needed. Though 15%+50 toughness to all is still, heh.

[void dragon]

Even with a pskyker I was jUuuuuust behind him in damage

[nimble hazel]

Not me, running Exhilarating Takedown, Covering Fire, and Born Leader as a matter of course

[quiet valley]

Yeah Ogryn have been eating good since their rework

[nimble hazel]

You WILL be at full toughness and you WILL enjoy it.

[void dragon]

No! *Runs away from coherency

[unreal nova]

I prefer trench fighter even if 10% on knoife is like memes.

[nimble hazel]

Run all you like, the plasma pierces all hordes.

You'll still get Covering Fire'd

[sick cedar]

HELBROS RISE UP

[quiet valley]

Ikr

[void dragon]

DAMNED BE YOOOOUUUUUUUU!

[unreal nova]

Oh hai. Enjoy 15% of my toughness as a top up.

[grand perch]

just met my hero again

[void dragon]

*Angrerly smashing enemies with 20% damage for 3 seconds

[faint beacon]

he said the line

[steep flower]

That guy

[unreal nova]

More. You forget my buff.

[hollow ibex]

It’s not really an exception. BLO is primarily intended to return a round, not give instant triple or quadruple shots for free

[void dragon]

Nu-uh, not in coherency

[unreal nova]

For the Emperor! +10% melee/ranged damage.

[quiet valley]

10% melee attack speed or 25% dmg on Grenades, Bleed stacks, and melee dmg?

[unreal nova]

On ult use to nearly teammates.

[pseudo fiber]

I think this is the first time I've seen them put out a balance patch and noone has been mad afterwards

[unreal forge]

[noble epoch]

Oh boy

[nimble hazel]

Oh shit, didn't Saltzpyre's funny repeater crossbow work that way for a bit in Vermintide 2?

[void dragon]

*runs away faster by the power of knoife

[quiet valley]

Because they didnt post the nerfs HAHA

[slow spade]

dueling sword and plasma are getting looked at. They are 100% going to be mad

[noble epoch]

Vro hasn’t seen the forums

[unreal nova]

I'm too lazy to upkeep it for too long.

[unreal forge]

yeah I hate having to keep specialist up

[unreal nova]

Uhhh... Looks at lil knoife in hand. GL.

[unreal forge]

weapons specialist
look inside
90% melee, 10% ranged

[void dragon]

*enters stealth just to sprint faster

[neon current]

it doesn't, it gives double shot for free, 3rd shoot is 15%

[unreal forge]

I swear Vermintide 2 lets you use firearms more than Darktide does

[slow spade]

yeah I barely get ranged stacks on my Weapon Specialist builds

[narrow frost]

DT has also more weapons but VT has more balance

[neon current]

and that two are interconnected

the more weapons, the harder to balance

[unreal nova]

More like, I forget it exists. And when I do, BOOM.

[nimble hazel]

This is some grass is greener type shit

[pseudo fiber]

VoC nerf here we fucking come

[nimble hazel]

Vermintide has had a lot longer to be rebalanced, and Fatshark has been shit at getting that balance for most of it.

[unreal nova]

Do you have psyker stam endurance?

[unreal forge]

true but you'd think they'd learn from all those years of VT2 balance

[void dragon]

You think they will Nerf ogryn in this patch or they will just let us rejoice in police brutality?

[unreal forge]

I doubt they're nerfing any class for a while

[nimble hazel]

That I will not deny! There's some goofy interactions that Vermintide 2 fixed long ago

[neon current]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[nimble hazel]

Some.

[neon current]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOL

nuff said

[void dragon]

have stamina regen curious and I'm slide dodging* can do this all day

[unreal forge]

they did say they want to buff underperforming aspects before nerfing overperformers, so I expect the classes to get a buff on their weaker parts

[neon current]

VT2 has never been balanced

and VT2 had far worse outliers than DT

[nimble hazel]

It's in a better place now than it was in the past

[neon current]

OG sister anyone?

[nimble hazel]

But boy howdy

[unreal nova]

Do you not know what I put on my curios?

[nimble hazel]

Fuck OG Sister, remember OG Glaive?

[unreal forge]

like, first let Veteran be a proper 60:40 ranged class before nerfing VoC

[neon current]

trollpedo engy

[nimble hazel]

Remember Vermintide 1 Glaive?

[void dragon]

Lalalalaicanthearyouimoutofcoherencylalala

[neon current]

BW running rampant for over a year

[nimble hazel]

Just cut through everything with absolute ease

[neon current]

lingering still being busted

VT2 balance my ass

[versed osprey]

so.. any new ranged worth using in high havoc after the buff?

[unreal forge]

what's BW?

[neon current]

battle wizard

[unreal nova]

Cos no point nerfing before you have a pool of decent choices to go with. It'll just be less fun.

[nimble hazel]

Good ol' Battle Wizard bullshittery

[narrow frost]

Agri combat shotgun, Dbarrel, plasma, recon, bolter, and more

[nimble hazel]

Speaking of Sienna

[quiet valley]

Helbore Helbore and Helbore

[neon current]

VT2 had faaar worse outliers than DT

[nimble hazel]

Is Necromancer still a near guaranteed win?

[unreal forge]

I'm glad they're going with that approach

[versed osprey]

do you really think helbore and shotguns are usable now in havoc 40?

[versed osprey]

on havoc40?

[neon current]

the most OP shit DT had was perma 70% DR shredder vet

[narrow frost]

Now?

Always has been

[void dragon]

You jest, but really want to get a solid build for each mk now

[unreal forge]

you can use whatever you want in h40, not like you're gonna derank

[narrow frost]

Agri shotgun is an amazing sniper

[heavy rover]

Only one way to find out

[versed osprey]

not viable on havoc 40

[narrow frost]

Bro???

[unreal forge]

yeah yeah yeah just use revolver lil bro

[narrow frost]

Yeah my bad

Terrible

[loud belfry]

what ISNT viable in havoc ainz

[narrow frost]

Can't use

[neon current]

shotguns are all fuckin suck

the fact you can win H40 with

doesn't make it good

[heavy rover]

Infantry las is peak with Ghost

[hollow ibex]

Happens all the time.

[quiet valley]

Yes

[neon current]

it makes you good

[loud belfry]

these people have literally 800+ hours on havoc ALONE

[unreal nova]

You want more fun toys before touching the popular overused cos OP stuff because 80% of the pool feels below avg.

[unreal forge]

maybe I won because I was just a better helbore player or maybe it was my bubble pysker and rumbler ogryn teammates

[versed osprey]

whats the build on that?

[void dragon]

Player overcompensating for its fav weapon, a classic

[quiet valley]

I'll actually vouch that Agripinna is the best of the 3 marks atm

[unreal forge]

Facts

[neon current]

I don't care about their power ranking in between themselves, they all bad

I've done 40 with fire breath, doesn't make it good

[unreal forge]

I was hoping more weapons would get buffed tbh

what would really suck is if these buffs aren't enough to make these weapons feel good

[unreal nova]

So colossus vet in mortis. Tanks everything to bleed kill them.

[unreal forge]

and yknow they won't buff them again for another year

[crude star]

i am happy for muh helbore

[neon current]

I'll take your word on that

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

[void dragon]

Hopium of the day: Eviscerator will do well and set presents for the other chain weapons to be buffed

[neon current]

I've stopped playing mortis after like 10 runs

[nimble hazel]

Mortis is a special place where balance goes to be ignored

[neon current]

also true

[unreal forge]

yeah it's weird the chainsword and chainaxe aren't getting touched.

[neon current]

mortis is to hook new players in

fuck balance there, go apeshit