veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

no fun if you do 500 dps against crushers

[narrow frost]

are you not able to dodge them?

[hollow ibex]

but the ogryn does 2000

[narrow frost]

fun is subjective

[hollow ibex]

aint nobody got time to slowly plink away at crushers

[narrow frost]

and yes ogryn is an outlier since how broken he is

[hollow ibex]

when they're about to be instantly deleted by the chastise zealot or branx orgryn

[fresh dome]

Did the Demonhost went away because I stealth and he lost any potential target so he bloody fack off?

[tame lodge]

Nope

Teammate died

[fresh dome]

I'm the one who triggered it while I backed away from the ragers but it didn't killed me

[tame lodge]

Normal DH stay active until someone dies

[loud belfry]

tru

[spark canopy]

hiya people

what's the dumpstat and preferred perks/blessings for the power sword?

i'm assuming dump is mobility

[limpid reef]

When playing havoc do you guys rush to get more spawns or deal with a massive spawn clear it then push till the next one?

[faint beacon]

I cannot stress how much I love that the Clash of Clans Barbarian is just there

Chilling

In the thumbnail

Everytime I see him I start grinning like an idiot

[faint beacon]

Learn the triggers of important events mainly Boss ones and deal with hordes before those events

[limpid reef]

Exactly…

[faint beacon]

Aka like staircase has a boss trigger

Clear the horde

Then proceed

[limpid reef]

Always do that and works out better my team I was just with grabbed a bunch of extra bosses during a horde they did it all map

[faint beacon]

If no boss trigger then move to the next area near it

Rinse repeat

This is specifically Havoc

[limpid reef]

Yeah I know

[faint beacon]

Cause Auric boss spam isn’t terrible

[limpid reef]

Maelstroms just run through lol

[charred pulsar]

Worth sacrificing superiority complex and 25 shields for 2 extra node for keystone? plasma - rashad

[limpid reef]

Last team were being silly billies cost us the match got to the very end

[faint beacon]

You stress in chat about the importance of triggers?

[grand perch]

nah

[faint beacon]

Cause like I’ll admit that alone

Funnels out 90% of the playerbase

It’s why a lot of really good players actively play high havocs

[charred pulsar]

Hey man, could you share that tac axe miniguide u show me several months ago?

[grand perch]

i...dont recall?

[charred pulsar]

It was like a screencap for the tac axes marks and how to deal with every enemy with it

Used the thing, it was fun, agile blessing is really something

But it strugle a lot with armor

[grand perch]

i dont think that was me. but my memory is notoriously sheet

[charred pulsar]

Unless there another tac axe enjoyer I'm pretty sure it was you

[faint beacon]

He’s the DT quotes guy

(Real)

[spark canopy]

what's the dumpstat and preferred perks/blessings for the power sword?
i'm assuming dump is mobility

[warm schooner]

dump is cleave targets

[slow sky]

cleave targets

[warm schooner]

bm power cycler

I like maniacs and unyielding

[spark canopy]

preciate it

i saw a couple of dudes running power swords on an auric

they were like named Space Marines the way they were cleaving these fools

oh yay

only lost 100k to get a dump stat power sowrd

sword**

[faint beacon]

You can also run Elite Carapace

If you notice yourself struggling with Mixed hordes

Power Cycler + Sunder is that choice

[spark canopy]

nah i'm good with those, i usually just get fucked up by normal poxhordes because of extreme single target damage

[grand perch]

whats the current build you run with taxe

• what perks blessings

[charred pulsar]

This, kill crushers with 10 - 14 hits, the thing is pretty fast so it's okays I think

[grand perch]

and talents?

[charred pulsar]

Plasma - rashad with weapon spec

[grand perch]

i recently come to enjoy decimator instead of brutal momentum, it helps a lot with light spamming carapace

bosses too

[charred pulsar]

Been using radhad for like a month now it's a whole new world, but I miss how fast tac axe is plus the "infinite" dodge

Decimator huh, interesting

[grand perch]

yeah decimator + headtaker stacks up good damage. you lose the dodge reset from agile sadly, but the damage is higher

maybe give that a try

[charred pulsar]

Aig will give it a try, but most of the appeal I got from the thing is that sweet dodge

Plus the nice skin

[tame lodge]

Taxe without BM 💀

Enjoy suffering

[slow sky]

agile over headtaker

[charred pulsar]

I have been doing fine, but what's BM? to keep it metaish

[slow sky]

its what makes all axes able to be good

when you get a weakspot kill, that swing ignores its cleave profile for 4 targets

making those 4 targets be treated as if its the first enemy hit damage wise

[charred pulsar]

Ah he mean Brutal momentun? but like the blessing is there

[slow sky]

if you have enough damage to one shot an enemy to the head, it will one shot 4

its also worth noting that axes have dogshit cleave and cleave damage

so this just completely bypasses that weakness

[charred pulsar]

Yeah, the blessing is there m8s, idk why you all talk like it's not there tho

[slow sky]

yeah ik you have it but thats why not running it is just very very questionable

[slow sky]

.

[charred pulsar]

Uhum

Gotchu

[slow sky]

definitely do swap agile with headtaker tho

[charred pulsar]

Blessing it rn

[slow sky]

missing out on an important amount of damage, especially on a BM weapon

[grand perch]

because youre not cleaving anything if youre light spamming

[tame lodge]

BM ignore mass though

[slow sky]

if youre light spamming for anything other than single target youre it wrong

[tame lodge]

Doesn't matter if you cleave or not

And bypasses taxe's 3 targets cap

[grand perch]

yeah thats great but he said he specifically struggles with armor

[tame lodge]

So even if you had 5.something cleave from fully stacked HT and Deci

You'd not damage a 4th target

[slow sky]

that is one of its weakpoints but its armor damage isnt worse than its non bm group clear

[charred pulsar]

Went from 10-14 to a solid 10-12 but it's taking 11 swings that's a nice change

[slow sky]

speccing into crits with talents is the biggest factor for armor damage

[tame lodge]

Dogshit weapon
Honestly

[slow sky]

and you can also just
have a gun

that can deal with armor if you really hate the taxe cara damage that much

[charred pulsar]

But look at the drip

[neon current]

nah

[slow sky]

higui is just a hater

a tac axe hater

unjustly so

[tame lodge]

I'm not a hater

[grand perch]

meanie alert?

[slow sky]

evil man

[tame lodge]

I'm a Truth Sayer

[neon current]

ragtag wins

[tame lodge]

I speak true

And they have those who speak the truth

[charred pulsar]

I prefer my edgy tac axe skin

[slow sky]

no skull friend wins

[tame lodge]

But it's a burden I must bear

[slow sky]

he looks happy

[neon current]

I don't like the bones on that one

[tame lodge]

For the good of my people

[charred pulsar]

Well I do like the bones 😳

[tame lodge]

You know
I should clip Tox Bomber's "I only wish to spread the truth"

And post it as reaction

[neon current]

we are both happy than, win-win!

[tame lodge]

Yeah I should do that

[grand perch]

so you a toxic meanie

[tame lodge]

Plus we all know that weapon with caps are dogshit

And no one will defend that cap

So I still have that truth nuke

[charred pulsar]

Aig testing the new blessings, tac axe fashion mix with the jacket too 👀

[neon current]

I'd say taxe4 HT shred on vet

is what I would do

[tame lodge]

Remember to stretch your hands and wrists

[charred pulsar]

Oh yeah, I know what you mean lmao

[neon current]

zealot will always be BM

[charred pulsar]

Clic clic clic clic

[stoic thorn]

Is that the fucking courier

[grand perch]

i dunno son but we going huntin

[neon current]

the uppercut strikedown on relic has higher dmg than the overhead, but not on the taxe4

that's racist

[tame lodge]

That's what I'm saying

Same damage profile as the push attack as well

[neon current]

thinking about it

is taxe the only weapon with 3 usable marks

can't think of anything else

well, it's mostly because they are near identical rofl

but that's besides the point

or is it

[tame lodge]

We often tell people to not use the Mk4 though

But to answer the question

Hsword

[neon current]

yea I wouldn't

true

HS is okay

[dry cloak]

pixkaxes abd heavy stubber comes to mind.

[neon current]

taxe4 is for vet

[dry cloak]

if were talking all weapons

[neon current]

because taxe is a PA weapon

[dry cloak]

if vet only then idk

[neon current]

but vet can't PA

oh fuck me ofc

pickaxes

[neon current]

I wouldn't ever touch the agri

have used gorgo a lot on havoc is fine, achlyss we all know

[dry cloak]

there no agrip stubber of pick

[neon current]

or whichever the lightest one is

[dry cloak]

krourk

[neon current]

I don't even know the name

used it once

never touched it again

[dry cloak]

it has a lot of users from what i have seen

[neon current]

lugging I suppose

something I don't

[dry cloak]

i would say all 3 marks are good and usable. all have theyre purpose

[neon current]

it's an ogryn weapon yea, they are all overtuned

literally

[dry cloak]

yes they are

[neon current]

heavy stubber is better than anything vet has

kinda sadge

[dry cloak]

yep

ogryn needs to be put a peg or 2 down

same with psyker i suppose

[neon current]

I don't see it happening

ogryn is the new norm I'm afraid

H50 to compensate when?

[dry cloak]

and new ogryn shoueld not be the new norm

[charred pulsar]

Idk who's Curier

[tame lodge]

Idk mate

I still hold firm that hstubber is just a Vigilant with a suboptimal full auto

Plz hstubber breakpoints are 💀

[charred pulsar]

Aig it went good on the train mission but if I'm using this weapon for dmg I may aswell just go Rashad

[tame lodge]

That's what I'm saying

[neon current]

never cared much about BPs in DT

even less so in havoc

individual elites are not scary enough for that

[serene bough]

Pls no havoc 50

[charred pulsar]

Also is it worth swapping headtaker for Thrust?

[neon current]

I was kidding

[serene bough]

The power creep is getting out of hand

[serene bough]

Oh okay my bad

[neon current]

that train has left the station long ago mate

[tame lodge]

You're using a weapon that relies on fast attacks

[neon current]

powercreep has won DT

[tame lodge]

Or are we talking about Caxes?

[charred pulsar]

Rashad

[tame lodge]

Well headtaker is better since caxe light attacks everything short of big targets

And you need HT stacks for bruiser bps iirc

[charred pulsar]

Yeah is mainly thinking about the big ones, 3 or 4 heavys to kill feels good but wonder if I can short it out

[serene bough]

I blame havoc

Well, its been happening before havoc too i guess

[charred pulsar]

Uhhh my 2 heavys to kill a crusher

[serene bough]

Nevertheless I still blame havoc

[neon current]

it has, but ogryn rework has been balanced with havoc in mind, which is a first

[tame lodge]

There's this one video where you proc Agile Engagement iirc then one shot 5 crushers in a row

Oh right
It was on medal

Link doesn't work

Sneaky Cat, I need you Sneaky Cat

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-war-i-need-you-cecil-cecil-invincible-gif-17654934589302344134

[serene bough]

I would like a meta shake up

[neon current]

wait, bayonet procs agile engagement?

I gotta try that

[serene bough]

It does

But i don't do much helbore gaming

[neon current]

helbore desperately needs more cleave

killing shit one by one is just not good enough for havoc

unless you can spray'n pray recon style

[charred pulsar]

Feels like I'm never picking ammo with helbore too

I did I few Krieg larping but this thing is awful

[neon current]

helbore dmg is good

and ammo econ is insanely good

but killing elites / specials one by one WHILE having to charge on top

too slow

[charred pulsar]

It's also pretty, look at that

[serene bough]

Not a fan of using ranged weapon for the heavy armor elites tbh

Usually prefer my ranged weapons for specialists and melee for elites, with exceptions depending on the situation

[grand perch]

smoke

[willow tendon]

smoking is bad for your health

[wild stratus]

Does the helbore bayonet charge benefit from the blessing "Weight of Fire"? I guess not or?

[dry cloak]

it does not

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MypqMu6qcI

smokes galore

[willow tendon]

Revolver, bolt pistol or double barrel?

[neon pecan]

Whats the best way to farm "Killshot Ready" Penance? I would just que into a T1 solo and just farm hordes but I don't think I can que solo, and bots may kill too fast at T1. Any tips?

[neon pecan]

Bolt Pistol is my fave gun in the game atm

[topaz lance]

DB is kinda very different from the other two here.
Revolver is probably the "best" out of them, though the bolt pistol is also powerful. DB is the most fun imo.

[topaz lance]

IAG, shoot hordes. easy

[neon pecan]

IAG?

[topaz lance]

infantry auto gun.

[willow tendon]

by different you mean that DB is used to blow up hordes?

[normal bay]

Mortis is good for this since you can just sit in one spot most of the mission.

Outside of that probably auric. It's a long penance, do you really want to spend your time doing sedition solo?

Recon with shocktrooper has ammo for days

[signal zinc]

Fellas

Infantry lasgun mk7 or mk9

Discuss

[topaz lance]

not really, it's just much more close range focussed.

DB with the weapon sec node to load a bullet on swap is great

[grand perch]

7

[signal zinc]

Yeah the damage bonus isn't really worth it anymore

[open ravine]

Twins or train could be options for solo as people generally avoid those maps and penances like that aren't tied to completion of the mission

Another good choice is high intensity modifiers as it means a lot hordes

[steep flower]

The very first bit of Mercantile map before you blow up the second wall just before the room with the interrogator you have infinite hordes

[topaz kettle]

why are veterans mean

[willow tendon]

they've been through war

[crude wind]

Salt

[sudden cedar]

They can't cope with the destruction of Cadia.

[knotty veldt]

Should you ever be charging the plasma gun? As weapon specialist especially with the guaranteed crits just dunno if Im supposed to be charging up the shot first at least when its dense hordes of elites etc in front of me. Is it something you should generally do if you can get away with it or just never bother?

[open ravine]

Only need to charge for bosses and carapace ogryn

Otherwise uncharged does the job

[sonic kayak]

IMO not even for them, charging is preference on them but you'll get more mileage out of uncharged across the board

[open ravine]

Just wait for the arbites and you will realise they are actually nice

[open ravine]

Charged weak spot hits on bosses are devastating but you are right for carapace ogryn can just be dealt with with light but then it requires 2 or 3 shots instead of one

[frail escarp]

hey guys i need hhelp with my build

can u guys help

[sonic kayak]

Or kill them with your armor poker melee

[trim fiber]

Why is it that I can one shot a reaper with charged plasma shot but with the uncharged it always takes two. Is my understanding wrong in that the charged one doesn't do extra damage or what?

[frail escarp]

should i take sustained fire or bigger they are????

[open ravine]

Plasma is an amazing aggressive weapon if you are good with your aim and got the 5% more toughness on kill node as it counteracts the vent damage from plasma

[trim fiber]

Is there a damage difference between the charged and uncharged shot?

Or is it just accuracy really

[sudden cedar]

I don't know any specifics, but you could test that in the Psykanium?

[trim fiber]

Well my one friend I play the game with says there is no damage difference. I can one tap a reaper with charged shot, but it never works on uncharged shot.

[open ravine]

Charged does up to twice as much damage and gets higher armour pen

[trim fiber]

Oh okay

My friend is dumb dumb

[normal bay]

Charged is rarely worth it though, due to the ammo consumption

[sudden cedar]

What the fuck is this? This is like.. the old.. stuff.

[open ravine]

The og tree

[normal bay]

I think you may need to update your game

[frail escarp]

should i take 121131 or 121132

[sudden cedar]

Yeah you should update your game man.

Or there is something seriously wrong with.. whatever you have installed.

[loud belfry]

nostalgic quaint talent format

[frail escarp]

what do you mean? it's fine

[sudden cedar]

It may look fine to you.

[frail escarp]

why would anyone take the plasma gun? it eats at your health

[open ravine]

Vet used to be ultra cracked on the old tree

[frail escarp]

just use the lasgun

[sudden cedar]

Someone show him how it actually looks like now.

@frail escarp It does not eat your health, it eats your toughness first. And doing so is part of using that weapon.

[vague wigeon]

Oh ye, ol' good tree

[normal bay]

What is with the recon supremacists these days?

[vague wigeon]

Tho i don't remember whta exactly i was picking

[sudden cedar]

Recon Lasgun is Recon Lasgun. Just a good weapon.

[vague wigeon]

But i never took 60s nade regen

[sudden cedar]

But so is the Plasma Gun.

[open ravine]

Ogryn used to be nuked by vets as you could double your damage against them in the old talents

[vague wigeon]

[sudden cedar]

[loud belfry]

plasma gun op, only weapon that consistently beats me in a randoms game

[vague wigeon]

Yep. Iirc, stance damage bomus was much higher

[sudden cedar]

Next hot take, Combat Shotguns are good weapons too.

[frail escarp]

what are you talking about?

[trim fiber]

Plasma is good but I am more more of a bolter guy personally. Just feels better.

[vague wigeon]

About some old times

[normal bay]

I dream of a match with a good plasma vet. Barely have to deal with specialists

[frail escarp]

idk man last time i used it chipped at your health

worse gun in the game tbh...

[sudden cedar]

Venting the heat will always drain your toughness first before you may take health damage.

[open ravine]

Bolt pistol is fun on melee ranged build

[vague wigeon]

Now it doesn't

[trim fiber]

First off if you're using the plasma gun on Veteran, you should be running shout too which pretty much negates the toughness drain.

And even then there's other nodes you can take for passive toughness regen

[sudden cedar]

@frail escarp I think we may have severly different versions of the game.

[open ravine]

No they need the buff that is apparently coming with arbites in 8 days

[sudden cedar]

How that is possible is something i don't know.

[vague wigeon]

I remember that too. I gave plasma a try. Okaysh damage with health damage... It were really trash tier

[frail escarp]

shout??? this isn't vermintide, mercenary class isn't in darktide...

[loud belfry]

idk if you guys can tell but jiminey is a time traveler

[sudden cedar]

Is he trolling?

[normal bay]

It does so little toughness damage, you can just kill one enemy with o4b and you're back to full toughness

[loud belfry]

Basically yes he is trolling

[sudden cedar]

I am starting to believe that he is.

[vague wigeon]

Seems so xD

[loud belfry]

but it isnt like hes hiding it

[trim fiber]

Are the combat shotguns getting a buff??

[open ravine]

The ogryn shotgun is nice but the human shotguns just don't feel great to use

[sudden cedar]

Yes, Combat Shotguns will get buffed. How so remains to be seen.

[trim fiber]

HELL YEAH LETS GOOOOO

[vague wigeon]

Tbh i really dislike how darktide became basicallly a vermintide

[normal bay]

The emperor has allowed jiminey to communicate to us through time. We should listen to his words

[trim fiber]

The combat shotguns are fun but the stupid pellet spread makes them so inconsistent.

[vague wigeon]

Melee everything unless you are a lasgun vet

[open ravine]

Been seeing a lot of people say they are so I am going to join the band wagon and say yes

[vague wigeon]

This is not what this game supposed to be, but i still like it

[sudden cedar]

What IS the game supposed to be in your opinion?

[vague wigeon]

It shouldn't be melee focused unless you are a melee clasee

So shooting everything should be an option

[frail escarp]

idk man i mena i guess plasma gun taking health damage is fine if you have a lot bunch of coherency regeneration...

[normal bay]

Vet is a hybrid class

[open ravine]

I just find the damage to rate of fire to be one of the worst in the game and thus don't really enjoy them

[loud belfry]

tide games are big on melee focus. melee has infinity ammo and has cleave (not all guns have cleave). it's part of the identity of the game and if they lessened melee we'd be playing more like cod or the dirty veteran class

[vague wigeon]

Which means that you still can choose something one

[sudden cedar]

@frail escarp Health is not Toughness. Almost all damage will eat toughness first.

[dry cloak]

yes vet is a hybrid class

[dry cloak]

yes you can

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/naskarism-wolverine-naskar-meaning-of-life-gif-21062051

[dry cloak]

spec in to more shooting or more melee

[sonic kayak]

iirc it used to do HP damage, even through full toughness

[vague wigeon]

But you can't

[dry cloak]

how you cant?

[frail escarp]

but plsma gun vents health damage...

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak Well, now it does no more, that much is for certain.

@frail escarp In the version we are currently in, it does not.

Or at least, not right away.

[sonic kayak]

Plasma gun does a miniscule amount of toughness damage; if you have none then yes it chips your HP

[loud belfry]

you live in a world before havoc. how is world peace treating you?

[dry cloak]

exclusively shooting is not possible

[open ravine]

Depends on damage type as vet have one of the lowest thresholds besidea psyker for melee to begin bleeding through your toughness into your health but one of the highest for ranged damage

[sonic kayak]

If you're venting with no toughness then heck yeah it does HP damage

[vague wigeon]

Vermintides - ye. They are about limp-dick fantasy stuff. But we are in 40k, get of GUNZ

[sonic kayak]

I died to it once as last man standing, many moons ago

[vague wigeon]

Like LOTTA DAKKA

[frail escarp]

do you mean covid?

[trim fiber]

Also Veteran mains can you guys tell me what melee weapons you guys use? I'm so tired of dueling sword and knife, and the power sword is ass. I feel like everything else just sucks but perhaps I'm overlooking some of them.

[loud belfry]

half your damage or more can easily be from ranged, depends on your class

[sudden cedar]

@open ravine Correct, but it still holds true. Parts of the damage will get absorbed by toughness.

[normal bay]

40k lore;

FIX BAYONETS

CHARGE THE ENEMY

[frail escarp]

i mean the only way to use the plasma gun without taking damage is to reload... but that takes a long time

[dry cloak]

tide games are not l4d

[vague wigeon]

But bayonets are on the rigfle

[frail escarp]

just hope there's no ragers, you can't dodge their attacks

[dry cloak]

toughness damage is non issue with plasma

[open ravine]

Yeah which is why when I run plasma I take the 5% toughness on kill as it counteracts vent damage completely

[vague wigeon]

Helbore bayonets, btw. They are actually solid

[sudden cedar]

You can dodge those attacks.

[vague wigeon]

Not for horde, but ye

[normal bay]

Rashad combat axe, mk3 shovel, heavy sword, devil claw for trolling ragers

[trim fiber]

Yeah I know that much. I actually enjoy the bayonets because they count as ranged kills for weapon specialists.

[normal bay]

But they are there for a reason

[sonic kayak]

The PSword is arguably his best melee ; and it doesn't require the bottom right talents to function unlike a lot of other good weapons

[vague wigeon]

Lmao, what?

I haven't trie weapon spec yet, so i didn't knew this

[loud belfry]

well yeah you do have the ranged weapon out

[trim fiber]

Yeah but I don't like the power sword purely because of the mobility penalty it gives you. It sucks watching zealots walk around with the 2handpower sword just fine but my 1hand power sword slows my dodge distance and speed

[loud belfry]

same with like throwing knives

[sudden cedar]

It makes sense. You are using a Ranged Weapon Special Attack to kill something.

[sonic kayak]

You still eat armor for breakfast

[trim fiber]

I promise you if you run weapon specialist, the bayonet kills count as ranged kills so you have the benefits of melee specialist up when you swap to your actual melee weapon

[nimble wadi]

Hello bush

[sonic kayak]

Duck and Dive, WS, the stamina nodes, they can all mitigate the penalty somewhat

[loud belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847815813300879360/1276072753488855171/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[sonic kayak]

Heyo Stan

[vague wigeon]

Btw do you have any advice how to grind krak nade kills?

[nimble wadi]

[open ravine]

I feel vet should get a ranged melee dual weapon option for his secondary

[vague wigeon]

These grenage are so ass to farm kills

[open ravine]

Hordes and small passages

[vague wigeon]

I feel like vet should be able to wear double ranged weapons

[dry cloak]

moebian 21th havoc modifier

[trim fiber]

I stopped using krak nades long ago in place of shredder frags, but be on the look out for Scab Only/Melee Auric Maelstroms. Lots of armor enemies.

[vague wigeon]

So, breanade build but with kraks

grenade*

And bolter for splash, i guess

[normal bay]

60 second grenade regen and demo team. Throw at everything with armour. Flak also counts

[vague wigeon]

I know. I was thinking about farming in mortis trials buuut...

[open ravine]

I think he wants the penance for Krak which is 500 kills

[vague wigeon]

Somehow i get waves of poxwalkers instear of flak-armoured guys

Everytime i bring kraks

[sonic kayak]

Playing on a higher difficulty helps, if you already don't

[vague wigeon]

Only havoc is higher to me atm

And i don't want to touch it before i try all vet builds

[trim fiber]

Yeah honestly I would just look for the Auric Maelstrom that's Scab Faction Only/Mostly Melee enemies. It spawns lots of Ogryns, Maulers and Ragers. Then run demo team and grenade regen.

[normal bay]

Mortis doesn't have that much armour. Stick with aurics

[sonic kayak]

idk I got it way before Havoc, I just spammed kraks

[open ravine]

Use the doorways or that corridor next to spawn and lure them in large groups through them then throw a krak into it

[vague wigeon]

It would be good advice if i could play alone

[trim fiber]

I used to love krak nades but then when you run weapons like bolter and plasma, and now duelling sword lol there's just no need for kraks. Shredders are the way to go imo (also because smoke grenades are mostly useless).

[open ravine]

Why can't you mortis is generally abandoned on my servers at least

[sonic kayak]

Smoke is not useless at all, but it doesn't work like how one would think it does

[trim fiber]

I know you're supposed to place them strategically before gunners open fire, but I notice it just makes them reposition to get another angle on you. At that point again I'd rather just chuck a shredder into them.

[sonic kayak]

You throw them at your feet or where you want to be, and/or at gunners

But the first ones you throw are always to yourself, like the bubble shield

[trim fiber]

I guess I should try using smokes again some time.

[sonic kayak]

It stops dogs, Trappers have to run up directly to you to trap you, and shooters will not fire or fire inaccurately

[loud belfry]

smoke goated against ranged twin

or so ive heard

[trim fiber]

Okay see

[sonic kayak]

Absolutely is

Smoke turns off Not-Rodin entirely since he doesn't have melee attacks

[trim fiber]

The twins arena I can understand that because they place you with gunners in a room that has no cover.

[vague wigeon]

I've never managed to gete a solo run. Always full party at 2nd-3rd wave

[open ravine]

Lucky

[vague wigeon]

Probably

[open ravine]

South African servers are like 10 players

[loud belfry]

not just orthus, general twin spawns

[open ravine]

Doing their own thing

[sonic kayak]

Smokes are like the bubble shield but instead of absorbing ranged attacks, you turn them off

[open ravine]

So a lot of stuff just solo or empty

[trim fiber]

Man I hope they release another event/boss fight like the Twins sometime soon. Honestly my favorite update to this day. Killing them in challenge mode felt so accomplishing.

[sonic kayak]

I'd say most cases smokes are unneeded in Aurics because of the lack of densities compared to Havoc, but in Havoc, it's pretty much all I bring

[loud belfry]

I want a mission that is literally just bosses

kinda like how a boss comes through the big door after the ambush in dark communion except that's the whole map

[trim fiber]

Also, kinda off topic, but they need to start using the soundtrack they used in that boss fight in other parts of the game now.

Wasteful not to

[sonic kayak]

Empires Will Fall

[trim fiber]

🔥🔥🔥

[sonic kayak]

But yeah man, definitely give smokes another try

More underwhelming in Auric but definitely useful in Havoc

[trim fiber]

I haven't touched Havoc since I hit 40 and got true survivor. I'll have to play it again and use smokes.

[open ravine]

You basically get that on certain mortis conditions. Just boss after boss spawns

[trim fiber]

Do you still run VoC with smokes or nah?

[sonic kayak]

I do

[trim fiber]

Okay cool I'll probably put a load out together with smokes then and give them a shot. I like the concept of them but it never stuck with me.

[sonic kayak]

I go smokes + tinkerer which is very useful for smokes

I don't have anything in the right bottom of the tree since I spec into Focus Target, so my melee is PSword

[trim fiber]

There's no way I can use power sword without weapon specialist

Idk how you do it man

That's a sluggish nightmare for me lol

[sonic kayak]

it's a necessary evil I've gotten used to

With that build I've outdamaged both an Ogryn and a flame Psyker

[trim fiber]

I been using weapon specialist for so long too I'm used to the benefits in that regard

I'll probably fold over and die without it lol

[sonic kayak]

I used to be a dirty Battlefield player so FT plays into spotting; I already ping everything so now I just get rewards for doing it

[loud belfry]

spamming q to spot them through smoke

[sonic kayak]

This guy battlefields

Smoking the Metro to push because you know no one spots for a damn

[native ocean]

Smoke nades are awesome, my favourite veteran blitz

Shame my other veteran doesn't have them

[nimble wadi]

I’ve never used them, what do they actually do

[raven sedge]

300k dockets, 10k plasteel and 5k diamantine to aquire and upgrade two weapons and three curios. Kinda glad I'm only playing one class for now.

[lusty ether]

you don't need god rolled weapons for most things

you can just roll with whatever you get off Melk/mission rewards

and I would generally suggest you do that at least until that weapon is fully mastered

[raven sedge]

Yeah, I did that. Only dropped weapons up to Heresy and five fully mastered in both melee and ranged. This was the first time I touched the crafting system, want to start going for Damnation now.

[tepid panther]

What's the difference between Sunder and Brutal Momentum on PS?

[sonic kayak]

1 is if you like heavy attacks, the other is if you don't

[clever hedge]

See the pinned comments for a guide on all things vet

[tepid panther]

Ah, didn't see it in the guide. It's a bit annoying to navigate it a bit. But found it, thanks.

[sonic kayak]

I don't use heavies to horde clear on the PS so Sunder doesn't matter to me lol

[frank basin]

I’m off PS using Plasma favor Taxe

[tepid panther]

Yeah, I don't use heavies either, I misunderstood the tooltip. The way it is worded makes it sound like lights gain the heavy effect.

[frank basin]

If PS got better mobility, I’ll use it again.

[vague wigeon]

You know, second thought:

Fuck no. Psyker is more hybrid than vet

[snow cypress]

Hi guys,just asking

Is Hunting's Resolve really worth it?

[warm idol]

metro/operation locker nade/c4 spam ptsd

[snow cypress]

I'm checking my old stealth build and I see that talent

[warm idol]

altho a lot metro/locker servers have banned explosives

you can still just run an lmg (m240b my beloved) and rack up the kills tho

[sonic kayak]

10k tickets no explosives no xbow 24/7 metro

[warm idol]

my highest killcount games outside of abusing helis/jets were with support actually

despite being my 2nd least played class alongside recon

engineer main for life

last battlefield game I enjoyed was 4, 1 was alright but i'm not into ww1/2 that much

2042 was a travesty

specialists were a mistake both aesthetically and gameplay wise

I still can't get over the fact that one of the specialists they put out looks like andrew tate

[warped tartan]

whats the best way to run vet for high havoc outside of just plasma and rapier

i just cant seem to find a better alternative

[narrow frost]

Tactical axe, combat shotgun

Power sword double barrel

Heavy sword infantry auto gun

Whatever you want to try

[tame lodge]

The best way to run vet on havoc is SWITCHING to another class

💀

Anyways

Power Sword 6

Get the melee talents

And the 2 reduced stamina delay nodes

There

You're basically immortal in melee

[serene bough]

Psword or knife

Lately I've just maxed out kraks and dump into boss dps and play the support role

Kraks have actually grown on me quite a bit for havoc its a shame the point tax is so massive for them

[plain osprey]

I want a Challenge for my next mael. Whats the worst melee and the worst ranged, both independetly from one another aswell as combined, that i should take with me into the next maelstrom on vet?

[steep flower]

Mk8 combat axe & shredder autopistol; make a build ;3

I have a meme shredder one but i dare not to use it

[plain osprey]

I would probably run that on my gunner build (usually uses braced or infantry autogun)

No Keystone.

The mk 8 Combat axe is that the achlys?

[steep flower]

Yeah the dogshit one

[plain osprey]

That things needs some milk. Or a rework. Both will do

[steep flower]

Argubly the worst melee in the game

[stuck tree]

kitty chan devils sword

[steep flower]

Thats why i want you to use it ;3

[plain osprey]

Aight. I'll take it

[pseudo fiber]

Mk1 devil claw is equally bad

[plain osprey]

Funsies on you i actually enjoy the shredder autopistol so i wont suffer that much

[steep flower]

Its moveset is atleast servisable

Its alright

[plain osprey]

But that at least has a parry button. I would just take two stamina curios, hide behind voc and spam the parry button with that thing lol

[steep flower]

It does the most dmg vs cara too of all devil swords

Due to its attacks

[plain osprey]

I dont think ive ever thrown a heavy with a Devils claw before lol

Lightspam City

[stuck tree]

ive neglected the devils sword for too long..

[sonic kayak]

Shovel with only impact blessings

[plain osprey]

Also noted lmao

[steep flower]

Devils are actually good with crits so slap shred blessing on it

[sonic kayak]

You'll smack enemies around but no damage

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/princeasmodeus-gif-19020685

[unreal nova]

Is funni.

[stuck tree]

i see

[steep flower]

That is good tho

[sonic kayak]

Unironically, you should probably go something like a Deadshot Autopistol with AoN 🤔

[sonic kayak]

Good at displacing wind, yeah

[plain osprey]

Dodge+slide+parry button while sliding

Eats stamina and dodges like crazy but youll never be hit by a sprinting poxwalker ever again

[plain osprey]

Aon?

[sonic kayak]

All or Nothing, more strength per stamina depleted

It's on the one shovel I use

[plain osprey]

So a aon shovel with a deadshot autopistol.

I can make it work.

[sonic kayak]

AoN and like Decimator or something

[plain osprey]

I'll use the achlys axe on pyker then, where i have set myself the same challenge

[sonic kayak]

That actually wouldn't be too bad because Deadshot will eat your stamina, which AoN plays into

Obligatory no stamina on curios

[dusk osprey]

same, i actually tried it out earnestly yesterday and oh my god lol

only weapon i could buy w a good stat dump on it so i made it work but sheesh it was hard to put down

[steep flower]

Try skullscusher & deci with mk3; shit slaps hard

[sonic kayak]

Only shovel I tolerate is the Mk 1

But for Mr. Masochist, it's up to him

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee41e34-a952-4c23-9b90-9f6284b0dc57/stamina-edger

that's the idea behind this build

[grand perch]

so edgy

[hollow ibex]

(shovel still sucks)

[sonic kayak]

I knew I remember someone posted a build like that

My build is kinda similar but I use the revolver because both of those weapons I rarely use, which was the point of using the shovel in the first place

[stuck tree]

just realised in my session i was using my taxe more than my gun

[willow tendon]

dose "close damage" increase dot damage while in "close" range?

[faint beacon]

It used too but no

Not anymore

Close range is considered >12.5m

It starts decreasing beyond that

[hollow ibex]

pretty sure it does, no?

unless this was a very very recent change

[grand perch]

i dont remember, guide says some sources of close damage do, some dont

[faint beacon]

Post havoc change iirc

February

They made it to where DumDum no longer effects DOT procs

[hollow ibex]

oof

ok yeah that's recent

[orchid hemlock]

WHAT?

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t mean Inf DumDum still isn’t good

[hollow ibex]

is psykanium lying to me?

no dumdum vs. dumdum (burn proc damage per tick)

[fading yarrow]

Isn't it 12 DOT for both screenshots

[willow tendon]

btw why no headhunter on recon lasgun in the guide

[hollow ibex]

yes

dumdum definitely still impacts burn, unless psyk is lying

[fading yarrow]

So where's the confusion?

Oh typed slow

[orchid hemlock]

Because it's bait on Recon

[willow tendon]

is it

[hollow ibex]

it is

[orchid hemlock]

Headhunter gets less value the more crit rate you have

[hollow ibex]

because recon las gets dum dum

and you'd be a dum dum to not take it

[willow tendon]

well I have both

[hollow ibex]

then you're a dum dum for not taking infernus

[orchid hemlock]

I take Deathspitter, I'm goated like that

[willow tendon]

my only crit talent is reciprocity right now + 10% by default

[hollow ibex]

infernus and dumdum are too good to not take in any circumstances rn tbh

for recon las

[sonic kayak]

It issi tI

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that's 35% crit rate

Headhunter will proc at best after the second shot, so that's 5-15% crit rate half the time

And that's assuming you are always headshotting

[fading yarrow]

Actually no, I still don't get it

If the burn is 12 with and without dumdum, how could dumdum be affecting it? I notice you're shooting a reaper for the 703 number, but isn't the reaper taking more damage because its head is unarmored compared to the crusher?

[hollow ibex]

wat

im just putting 12 stacks of burn

[willow tendon]

may be you had another buff that would affect dot damage?

[hollow ibex]

and then watching how much the burn ticks do

[orchid hemlock]

In reality headhunter in any given time is giving you more like: 2.5-7.5 crit rate because again you need to stack the buff first before the crit is applied

[hollow ibex]

with and without dumdum

hint: it does a LOT more damage with dumdum on

[faint beacon]

Gonna be dead fucking serious if they somehow reverted or broke the patch that’s hilarious

Cause I very vividly recall a recent patch

[hollow ibex]

i'm too lazy to test in a live game, but i'm assuming psyk is accurate on this one lol

[faint beacon]

That stated DOT is no longer effected by DumDum

[orchid hemlock]

You can also get 5% crit for free in the talent tree,

[willow tendon]

Well, "free"

[orchid hemlock]

Let me see those pics

[willow tendon]

ok you convinced me thank you

[faint beacon]

I gotta go dig up the ones from like Post Havoc-Pre NV

When I have time

[orchid hemlock]

If headhunter had higher values like ILG which is 20% per stack, than yeah that shit would be goated

[faint beacon]

Cause like Istfg this is real

[orchid hemlock]

Also Recon is not a high finesse weapon, the reason why you want the crits isn't the damage but to proc shock trooper

[willow tendon]

yeah I'm aware

[faint beacon]

ST Survivalist is pretty silly

Tend to save a shit ton of ammo

[steep flower]

It still is a nice alternative to dumdumb

[stuck tree]

phanion

[stuck tree]

Correct

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/sunday-sunday-hsr-sunday-starrail-honkai-star-rail-happy-gif-15202722128827819211

[orchid hemlock]

Sunday is already taken 😔

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/march-7th-sus-face-honkai-star-rail-hsr-huh-gif-2747591219625280778

[willow tendon]

so does dumdum increase dot damage or does it not

I would've helped you test it but I'm too poor right now to swap blessings

[orchid hemlock]

I think it does

Infernus has spiked in popularity tho because in havoc u have like 4 bosses on top of you

[fading yarrow]

I see, my bad; I thought the nerf affected the number of DOT stacks, not how much damage the stacks did

[willow tendon]

actually I can just step out of the "close" range can I and test it that way

[orchid hemlock]

Dots are king against high health targets

[hollow ibex]

oh all good lol

[jagged hull]

when the arbitres comes in June 23 does the boltshotgun will be available for free for the veteran class?

[hollow ibex]

you like infernus for the safe boss damage, i like infernus because fuck bulwarks

we are not the same

[hollow ibex]

pretty sure it's arbites exclusive

[orchid hemlock]

Wait does the dot proc even if you shoot the shield? 🤔

[hollow ibex]

no i just shoot his toes

or whatever part he has exposed

bulwark can't cover his entire body

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn toes

[hollow ibex]

burning up his tiny winky little toes

[orchid hemlock]

Them claspers 😩

[jagged hull]

arbrites shotgun will be also available for the veteran class?

[hollow ibex]

prob not

[fading yarrow]

Nope, they've said as much

[hollow ibex]

arbites getting exclusive weapons and then some common human weapons

in b4 they give psword to arbites

[willow tendon]

I'm getting 111 burn damage at close range and 100 from farther away

[hollow ibex]

yeah close damage scaling down

[willow tendon]

Actually I get less damage the farther I am so I guess dot damage has falloff too

[hollow ibex]

dot doesn't have falloff, close damage buff from dumdum does tho

[willow tendon]

mm so it doesn't just disappear at 12.5m?

[hollow ibex]

12.5m is when it starts scaling down

30m is when it actually hits 0

fatshart moment

[orchid hemlock]

Guys I have an idea

Infernus Recon + Lacerate Knife

[hollow ibex]

not particularly synergistic smh

[orchid hemlock]

Ok but lots of dots

Wait no

I'll go on Psyker and do it

3 dots

[frank basin]

blaze soul, fire infernus, bleed knife

more DoT please

[hollow ibex]

could be funny

[frank basin]

guys borderland 3 with save editor is fun

i made custom pistol shoot shotgun full auto infinite magazine and it's dakka dakka

[tame lodge]

Just put the Flechette Fire shotty in the bag

[vague wigeon]

Nah. After 3 days of testing - i give up on plasma. It's a shitass weapon. Everyone who says the opposite are trolls.

Constantly outdamaged by recon lasgan, having the same breakpoints as intantry lasgun and needing the entire build+perks+blessings to make it work(While lasgun just needs a bunch of talents and 2 blessings). It a trash, not a gun

And somehow needing to deal with bad mobility and overheat while lasgun aren't. It's really a joke. Gotta to give bolter a try

[dry cloak]

it pierces carapce and can kill crushers in 3 shots

for some people thats enough

for me its boring

[vague wigeon]

It should onetap(Two - max) everything human-sized.

[dry cloak]

its does on headshot

most people dont care and aim centermass

[tame lodge]

It does exactly that

[dry cloak]

then unload until everythings dead

[tame lodge]

💀

[vague wigeon]

4 with one headshot

[dry cloak]

how upgraded was your plasma gun?

maxed?

[vague wigeon]

It doesn't. Only in headshot with every ranged damage talent, while it should do this even to body

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[tame lodge]

It does

1 to 2 shot

Like you specified

Exactly how you specified

Why are you contradicting yourself

[dry cloak]

svyat save yourself some headache and dont argue

you wont win

[vague wigeon]

At 1 shot it does this. When it should kill

[vague wigeon]

I know, but i hope to find some actually sane people.

I love plasma lore-wise and want it to get some love

[dry cloak]

why am i reading this in cutthroat voice

[tame lodge]

1 shot

Just how you specified

[vague wigeon]

At headshot
With perks

It should do it without these two things

[dry cloak]

thats not how this game works mate

[tame lodge]

Oh so you're mad that you want your way?

Sorry

Can't help with that

[dry cloak]

say that ds does not need a nerf and you can leave this server

because people will eat you alive

[tame lodge]

Anyways you specified 1 (max 2) shots

It does exactly that

[vague wigeon]

I dunno, never tried it

It wasn't bad in psyker then i tried it

[dry cloak]

keep it that way until you play psyker

[vague wigeon]

But bruh, who needs that on psyker them you had coll-ass force swords?

[tame lodge]

Real

[dry cloak]

then play it on vet or zealot. destroy the game for yourself

[vague wigeon]

It doesn't

[dry cloak]

it veru much does

[vague wigeon]

"Human-sized" means ragers

[dry cloak]

i can show it to you full

[vague wigeon]

Flamets

Mutanrs

Maulers

HUMAN

[dry cloak]

if you have 5 minutes

[frank basin]

biggest guy are ogryn

[dry cloak]

join me on strike team 22

[frank basin]

crusher, reaper, bulwark

[dry cloak]

will show you

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[vague wigeon]

Strike team 22?

Tell me char name

[dry cloak]

strike team 22 is the voice channel

[vague wigeon]

Oh

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-mouse-gaming-mouse-bunny-funny-bunny-gif-27032224

[plain osprey]

Ive found the one thing that is even more awkward than me talking to Girls. The achlys MK 8 Combat axes attack Angles.

It's like my work back in school in art class. Every line is a solid miss

[midnight wyvern]

Psword and shield surely

[tame lodge]

1 shot

2 shot max

Literally what you stated

[dry cloak]

tell me you shoot mutants or no

with plasma

[tame lodge]

No

They take 3 times melee damage

Why should I shoot them

[hoary marsh]

The only good gun against the mutants is the Autogun.

And Bolter. The rest take a little to long.

[grand perch]

youre forgetting ILAS

and autopistol

[tame lodge]

Eh I can see autopistol

Good maniacs

[hoary marsh]

Autopistol I would count as an Autogun.

[dry cloak]

yes he says that ilas is better because he can shoot mutants

[hoary marsh]

So really all the auto guns work well. Vigilant not as good as Braced, Infantry or pistol though.

[tame lodge]

I wouldn't shoot mutants with iLas

Muties get close

Ilas has reverse fall off

Not worth it

[hoary marsh]

Makes me wonder if Mutant weakness is actually just Physical damage.

[dry cloak]

come to strike team 22 and lsiten

[tame lodge]

I'm good

Thx for the invite though

[dry cloak]

also he says that gunners are not elites

and should not be shot at with plasma

[hoary marsh]

Gunners are Elites.

[fresh dome]

just kill everything as a team

[hoary marsh]

Elites are Gunners, Shotgunners, Ragers, Crusher, Bulwark, Mauler, Reaper.

[grand perch]

cause ilas has great maniac damage

[plain osprey]

I hate when the zealot rushes ahead, dies and it leads to the Team crunbling ..

[tame lodge]

Nah that's crazy

💀

[hoary marsh]

Specialists, are Bombers, Flamers, Snipers, Trapper, Charger, Dogs. Burster

[dry cloak]

because they are not a threat

like really take a lsiten to understand that

and ofcourse it should one shot light shot crushers or something

idk

[faint beacon]

If you build the Vigilants a certain way they drop mutants within 2 bursts to the head

[dry cloak]

i know

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I like the Vigilant, but its meant to be used a very specefic way, which means I also dont like. lol

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s a precision rifle

Punishes for not hitting heads

[hoary marsh]

I love it when I have my full team and I can just snipe every elite and special before they even get close. But randoms dont always let me do that.

So I normally do the Vraks Infantry Autogun for queing with randoms because its very versatile and can easily kill everything besides a crusher, and for that I have Krak grenades.

[faint beacon]

If you learn timing of when to swap to your gun or kiting hordes whilst aiming it makes it hell of a lot easier

Just recall a lot of players struggle with learning how to deal with hordes

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I dont struggle with hordes really. Either I can shoot them down, or melee whats left. I have a pocket Zealot that likes to assist with a flamer.

[sleek garden]

headshots from midrange can put them down in like 3 shots

and in mutie rushes inflas with exy stance slaughters them

[tame lodge]

Those mutie waves have like 2k hp each

[sleek garden]

sounds simple to just kill them all in melee until you realize theres a poxburster wave closing in

[grand perch]

and you do over 4000 dps

you slaughter them

[tame lodge]

Diva maelstrom

My beloved

[vague wigeon]

I didn't said that.

[sleek garden]

so many times ive screamed at the monitor

[tame lodge]

[sleek garden]

we're all grabbed and the audio is broken because of 600 poxbursters

[tame lodge]

Top tier maels

[vague wigeon]

Exactly

[sleek garden]

i need to re-enable that one mod that expands the psykhanium

[vague wigeon]

Techically - yes. threat-wise - no.

[sleek garden]

this man underestimates gunners

[tame lodge]

Oh so they are elites

[vague wigeon]

Dude, i swear i took more damage and was downed more times by poxwalkers than by gunners

[tame lodge]

Why are you saying that they aren't

[sleek garden]

how do i make the chainsword awesome

it feels lackin

[vague wigeon]

Because they are barely more dangerous than these guys

[tame lodge]

CRIT build

[tame lodge]

Doesn't matter
Gunners are elites

That's just the truth

[sleek garden]

plasma+shout+presumably iron will

[vague wigeon]

These are (Aside from shotgunners)

[sleek garden]

youve never had to play the game properly

[vague wigeon]

Nah, plasma is too bad.

But yeah, recon las build has shout + iron will

[hoary marsh]

I guess that's a fair outlook.

Been awhile since I used chainsword. But its mainly a horde clear weapon isnt it?

I never use its special really.

[tame lodge]

Best horde clear in the game

If the horde is made of poxxers alone

[hoary marsh]

Been deep into Shock Maul lately.

[hoary marsh]

Imma say it again. You waste some nodes with these builds.

[vague wigeon]

For example?

I remind you that this build is for infantry las with weakspot shots and crits

[hoary marsh]

Surpresion Immunity, Deadshot. Even Counter Fire really.

[vague wigeon]

...

Have you even played with infantry las?

Tho i agree that superiority comples might be a waste

But it is requred for carbine variant

[grand perch]

no that one is actually good

[vague wigeon]

Bc carbine can a bit struggle with ogryns if you shoot with no stamina

[grand perch]

get rid of determined and get camouflage instead to regen stamina with each headshot

you already have suppression immunity with exec stance

[vague wigeon]

By 'ogryns' i mean reapers

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Drop camouflage, Tunnel Vision will proc more and help more.

[vague wigeon]

Iirc, it's not immunity, it just refreshes it

[grand perch]

no its immunity

[vague wigeon]

Plus i'm not always shooting with exe stance

[grand perch]

as long as exec is up naturally

[vague wigeon]

But i'll give it a try

[grand perch]

with counterfire there should be 0 problems keeping exec up

[hoary marsh]

rending helps las weapon with mutant damge.

[vague wigeon]

I had a variant with chink in armor, long-range assasin and tunnel vision, but i really didn't felt them any helpful

[narrow frost]

What

How much rending we talking?

[vague wigeon]

Especially with these two

[vague wigeon]

Kantrael doesn't really struggles with mutants

[hoary marsh]

The Rending Strikes node.

[grand perch]

ah longshot, theres your issue

[hoary marsh]

10% Rending to all weapons is a boost no matter what.

[narrow frost]

You barely get any bonus damage to other armor types until you hit 100% rending

[vague wigeon]

Needed to reach to the seconf talent

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Long Shot doesnt start proc untill 15 Meters I think.

[grand perch]

yes, the worst of the three toughness regens

and you already have the middle, confirmed kill

dont go over the left at all at the start, go through middle, save points, reinvest into tunnel vision and go for bring it down

[hoary marsh]

The top left side of Vet Tree is a trap.

[vague wigeon]

Yet it's the only toughness talent that works with weakspots

Which is the primary focus of this build

But i will try

Tho i don't see the point of rending on 10 stacks

It's pretty low buff that isn't always on you and doesn't gives you any breakpoints

[grand perch]

thats chink in the armour. dont take that

[hoary marsh]

The other nodes literally just give toughness on kill. Why limit your toughness regen based on only weakspots when you can get a broader toughness regen simply by killing anything in anyway.

[vague wigeon]

Bc 15% vs 5% plus hit heads in the horde of elites or trash mobs is easy if you need toughness asap

[hoary marsh]

Again, Confirmed Kill is even better than that.

[vague wigeon]

• it stacks with toughness damage reduction which allows you to dumpfire into the horde before switching to melee

[hoary marsh]

10% on kill, with 20% more over 10s.

[vague wigeon]

Wait

How exactly tunnel vision works?

[hoary marsh]

Any weakspot kills give stamina.

Melee and ranged/

[vague wigeon]

toughness replentishment part

[grand perch]

it doesnt replenish toughness

it increases other sources of toughness replen

[vague wigeon]

Does it simple increase the toughness regen?

Mhm

[neon current]

if you have 50% replenish and your voc does 100 toughness

[hoary marsh]

5% Toughness Replenishment. per stack.

[neon current]

you'll get 150 instead

replenish is stronk, regen is not

[vague wigeon]

Thx

[neon current]

replenish also work on outside sources like chorus

what most ogryn gets wrong about FNP

it's not about sustained tankyness, it's about being able to get hyper aggro at the start

replenish stronk

[vague wigeon]

Still not sure, tbh. Since stack aren't always on you

That's the main problem

[neon current]

well, talking about ogryn here, I wouldn't bother on vet indeed

[hoary marsh]

What I would do. You have 1 point floating to do what you want. I would either do 5% Crit Chance, or Rending, but you can pick whatever.

Survivalist with Storm Trooper is pretty redundant.

Especially if your focusing on Crit damage.

I personally would take Krak Grenade over Frag to free up another point.

[vague wigeon]

Needed to shoot a lot

To mainly shoot stuff

[dry cloak]

that how i understood it. sorry for misunderstanding

[vague wigeon]

I said it about human-sized enemies

[sleek garden]

determined feels unnecessary if you are already using exy stance

[vague wigeon]

Tbh i don't knao what is the point of kraks.]

I run with them now to do the penance but bruh, they are so useless

Yea, you can shot any armor

But it takes so much time with just 2 nades

I mean time till they explode

Shredders are just more versatile, and good for revive teammates

Drop 1-2 under you legs and go revive

[sleek garden]

i need to try and bring kraks in a loadout

[hoary marsh]

Yeah its personal choice for me. I use Kraks all the time to great affect. With the 50% Damage boost and 20% more from Bring it down it deletes whole chunks off Monsters. But again grenade is more personal.

[sleek garden]

i basically have no anti armor in my kit

[vague wigeon]

Tbh i have thought about it as anti-boss but never actually tried

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I can see that. I would prefer 5% more damage boost over survivalist but its not a wrong choice either. I just prefer fire team when using Las Weapons since Storm Trooper procs so much.

I think on Damnation 2 Kraks will do more than half the health on monsters.

With those two nods.

[sleek garden]

i do not take shock trooper on infantry lasgun

its hard to run out of ammo

[fading yarrow]

What's your melee?

Take a combat knife, dueling sword or power sword if you're not relying on anything specific

[void dragon]

Question: what blessings combo do you use on your Spear Bolters?

[slow spade]

I use Surgical + Pinning Fire

mostly because I run a crit bolter

[magic aurora]

booo

take the sapper shovel 1

be based

[magic aurora]

pinning fire puncture

[sonic kayak]

Mk 1 with AoN

[magic aurora]

you dont need to instakill armor to be a viable build

you can play around armor

learn to dodge and kite

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3K8JmZ2Iks&t=629s

Like this

[grand perch]

left clicking intensifies

[vague wigeon]

I manage to

Because i shoot EVERYTHING

Because i can

[slow spade]

I mean you always got the Helbores for the infinite ammo experience

[stuck tree]

The humble helbore

[willow tendon]

could someone show a bolt pistol build

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Extra Snipers, Poxbursters and Barrels are my favourite

Exspecially on Gloriana.

[tame lodge]

Don't listen to these people

They use "based" and "Chad" to get you to use mid-to-bad weapons

[sleek garden]

Right now I use chain sword

[tame lodge]

These are the people mama warn you about

[sleek garden]

Because wrrerreeerr

[tame lodge]

Soon you'll be doing hard drugs

Like lacerate knife

Or relentless Decimator tactical axe

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[sonic kayak]

Emperor preserve

[old prism]

Inject lacerate uncanny knife up my veins