veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I’d hope they do

[grand perch]

no use getting carpal tunnel

[true jackal]

they need massive ups to their base cleave, and BM definitely needs to be changed again

[void dragon]

Single enemy hitting weapon on a horde game, what could possibly go wrong

Considering Caxes and DS, a lot

[plain osprey]

Yes and no, but full stamina is a good idea because If its not perfectly timed i think it takes more stamina/gives reduced damage

[grand perch]

best caxe is achlys

ZERO POINT ONE CLEAVE

you could barely cleave through paper with that

[faint beacon]

.1 Cleave WARRIOR

[tame lodge]

Sorry mate that does not mean that the Dclaw is good

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[tame lodge]

They are bringing Taxe 4 to havoc 40

That does not mean taxe 4 is good

[grand perch]

ye we did

[faint beacon]

All I hear is cope

[grand perch]

why's higui such a meanie

luv me axe

[void dragon]

Reminder that people used old Orgyn with Paul to beat H40

[tame lodge]

Huh
What was that
A macro that looks more like a exploit

[grand perch]

no macroing here

[faint beacon]

When me and Rebel didn't macro and still did insane with it

LMAO

[tame lodge]

Still doesn't mean it's good

Like I said

💀

And I'm not a meanie

[void dragon]

That speaks more of the players than the weapon

[tame lodge]

Just saying the truth

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-11352074637748380989

[tame lodge]

One day it'll be good

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[tame lodge]

Hell it would even have the cap removed

[tall torrent]

Untrue
It’s 0.001 cleave

Not even 0.1

[narrow frost]

I got sniped

[grand perch]

oh yeah. i forgot they made the value even more ridiculously small cause ?????

[tame lodge]

Not that it can hit 4th target on the first swing

💀

[hollow ibex]

would be broken othewrise

[tame lodge]

3 cleave eaten by 2 walkers

[grand perch]

L4D2 hunter main

[tame lodge]

Stormvermin delivery

[void dragon]

you know? for how risky it is, from only parrying one attack and having low damage overall, i would expect the parry attack on weakspot crit to do more than 1200-ish damage ona brittle enemy

DC diapointing even on its best scenario

[true jackal]

it's funny with zealot dash, but other then that yeah

[uncut pebble]

Tbf, the enemies you are meant to be parrying do not have ginormous hp pools. Ragers each have 2k, gunners have 1.2k, shotgunners have 1k. (off the top of my head)

Considering dclaw's aversion to carapace damage, can't really say that you should be parrying maulers and crushers.

[void dragon]

i mean a Caxe can do 1600 on overhad strike come ON!

[woven viper]

I'm tryna get the "On Overwatch" penance but it's killing me, anyone got some advice?

[void dragon]

thing is, this is agains a brittle enemy, vs one without that it would be worse (440)

[hollow ibex]

testing precog

it really doesn't feel super great tbh

with the amount of stagger in the game

[normal bay]

Low Int malice, with a duelling sword, double barrel, shout and krak grenades

[void dragon]

also the DC parry is an attack that can miss because of the enemy attack pushing you

[normal bay]

Then hope no one walks into the DH (they will)

[void dragon]

there is SO MANY reasons to not take this weapon

[void dragon]

why would'nt they? they have the OP weapons! its totally gonna be fine (it was not, in fact, ok)

[normal bay]

On the brightside, it's not your problem

[raven sedge]

Before going into higher difficulties I want to start engaging in weapon crafting. Is the bolter or bolt pistol viable in Damnation upwards and what should I pair it with if I don't want to crutch on the Dueling Sabre? Chainsword, Power Sword, the trusty Shovel? What blessings/perks/marks?

[woven viper]

Thanks man, I was bugging out using infiltrate thinking it was the correct move but I'll try this!

[hollow ibex]

bolter and bistol are meta

for melee it'll be power sword/rashad

[normal bay]

You just want to cover your weaknesses with your weapon and blitz choices but both these weapons will do fine

[hollow ibex]

and then hsword/taxe after that

oh and knife as well

[normal bay]

Heavy sword on bolter

[hollow ibex]

for perks/blessings, see pins

[vapid thunder]

all taxes are good because they’re called aatroxes

[tame lodge]

Aatrox mentioned

What the fuck is a calm darkin

[normal bay]

Theres plenty of solutions but this worked for me. Duelling sword lets you run away and double barrel murders anything that gets close. Kraks for for bosses, since they can cause some awkward situations. The malice games tend to struggle with them + crushers too

[void dragon]

genuine good combo, Taxe also works but mostly because it has more mobility while still being able to deal with small fries that the bolter doesnt want to waste ammo on

[normal bay]

Haven't ever really ran taxe. Must add it to my list of vet weapons to try

[neon current]

taxe is a pushattack weapon, better on zealot / psyker

maybe not the 4, but who the fuck uses that to begin with

[hollow ibex]

i do

[neon current]

weirdo

HT + deci lightspam?

[hollow ibex]

HT + shred/relentless strikes

[neon current]

guess that's ok with the 3clv lights

I PA heavied the 2 too much pre13 to change it up now 😄

[steep flower]

I use that; its fire indeed

[void dragon]

Taxe works well without bromentum?

[steep flower]

potentially; its a finesse weapon after all

so bigger dmg

[neon current]

taxe4 lights have 3 cleave as opposed to 1.5, so if you wanna skip BM, use that

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s good on zealot and decent on vet

I’d say the psword is balanced

[tropic notch]

How did you build it?

[tepid panther]

For the boltgun could I go down the right tree for the faster weapon swap?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[warm schooner]

yes

[hollow ibex]

though personally i go down right side for every build lol

[tropic notch]

I always go right

[tepid panther]

Thanks, I think I'll swap to that then.

[warm schooner]

movement speed node is really nice too on some weapons like psword

[normal bay]

I've been messing around with confirmed kill a bit but o4b is so useful in every situation

[hollow ibex]

move speed + C&K

[warm schooner]

more movement speed makes vet feel so much better in melee

[vague wigeon]

Can someone explain me the point of plasma gun?

After returning to the game and my fav recon lasgun - i listened to howls about how OP plasma is and decided to give it a try now(Since the last try i tried it was on release when it damaged health).

And... It's... 'meh' tier gun.
It's clearly supposed to one-two shot everything that is not ogryn(Considering how heavy it fire restrictions are), but in takes 4 shots to kill the mutant, even more to kill crusher. It worse than recon lasgun at killing elites, lol!

Am i doing something wrong or it's just reddit- and forumtards?

This is my plasma

[tepid panther]

C&K ?

[warm schooner]

movement speed aura

[sleek garden]

No wonder you didn't see it coming with that 150 fov

it was like 5 pixels big

[hoary marsh]

If you arent hitting headshots with Plasma it underperforms, it also works better if you use Weapon Specialist to help with not having to reload the thing. Also the perks and blessings on yours are all wrong.

[warm schooner]

gets hot and rising heat is fine

[hoary marsh]

Depends on how your using it though.

[warm schooner]

I dunno about those perks since I wouldn't use plasma for boss killing

yeah like most things in darktide, it depends on what you're trying to achieve

[vague wigeon]

I've triev both light and alternate spam... Both are meh

[hoary marsh]

Again, despite what it looks like, Plasma is very Headshot reliant. You need to hit headshots for it to really be good.

Charged shots have like 100 Cleave i think.

[vague wigeon]

This is... pretty strange, considering what plasma is

[hoary marsh]

Yeah its kinda weird how to operates in game.

[normal bay]

Different perks would help with breakpoints.

Plasma is very reliant on weakspots, you need to shoot the head to get the most out of it.

It shines on higher density since you can shoot through mobs and kill multiple elites with one shot

[warm schooner]

pierce hordes to deal with specials

wallbang to kill targets

per shot its pretty efficient, and forgiving hitbox on left click

even if you miss you don't really miss

[hoary marsh]

It kinda functions more like a suped up helbore sniper than an anti everything plasma gun.

[warm schooner]

hellbore is much more effective as a sniper tbh in terms of big damage per shot

plasma you almost never want to charge in high havoc

[vague wigeon]

I will show my build once i end trials run

[hoary marsh]

Yeah true. I dont ever really use the charged/braced shot. But if you arent hitting the head it does seem not as great.

[sonic kayak]

The other thing with the plasma is that the priority of the gun is for specialists/elite gunners more than anything else, as mentioned earlier

It can kill Carapace but it's more efficient to bring an armor poker like the PSword

Sure you can shoot armor platoons or even a Crusher about to attack someone in the head and knock him down, but that's a last resort

[hoary marsh]

Yeah its weird how plasma works in this given what its supposed to actually be in lore.

[sonic kayak]

I'll take it

[warm schooner]

I don't think we explode enough based on the lore

[hoary marsh]

So true. lol

[sonic kayak]

It's not quite a bunker buster but most people already complain about the gun not knowing how to use it as is

[hollow ibex]

everytime you go down is an actual reject dying prob, lorewise

[sonic kayak]

When the plasma gunner shoots into the trash mob horde and runs to melee the gunners

[hollow ibex]

nah realistically they're gonna shoot everything

and then spam i need ammo! the rest of the amtch

match

[hoary marsh]

Plasma is good to shoot through basically everything though. Sure its Carapace damage isnt as good, but you can shoot through a whole horde and nail that special on the other side, which is where I think it shines.

[sonic kayak]

Shoot everything except what they actually should, yeah

Oh the Trapper or Bomber is approaching? Ok, but this poxer on the floor is particularly ugly

[solar surge]

Man am I the only one who wants a damn bayonet for my lasgun? Like why the hell can we not get at least one?

To rub more salt in the wound, the npcs get bayonets with their lasguns.

Just let me steal it.

[sonic kayak]

That's exactly the point of it. You can nail your target through hordes and cover, not to mag dump Carapace that your Psyker can knock down on demand, that you can knock down, or that your Ogryn can kill by just looking at

[hoary marsh]

Does the Plasma make you immune to suprression to? I always felt it was easier to shoot anything I needed even under allot of preassure.

[sonic kayak]

It has little or no suppression reduction

(idr)

[hoary marsh]

Exactly. I never took it to be my answer to crushers, I took it to shoots lines through hordes to break the wave.,

[hollow ibex]

i think it's just immune

[warm schooner]

More or less immune

Plasma requires almost no investment to be solid

[sonic kayak]

Thank you for being a smart Vet

[hoary marsh]

I try my best to play to my strengths. lol

[tame lodge]

And before you talk about my 8 FT

[slow spade]

Omg not charge shotting plasma

[tame lodge]

This is my twins setup

[slow spade]

Big number 😔

[tame lodge]

[slow spade]

:3

[tame lodge]

Also wtf is optimized cooling description

[hoary marsh]

Yeah they worded it so weird.

[hollow ibex]

why are your enemy names in gibberish

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

[tame lodge]

I'm sending Brazilians to your location

Oh wait

They are everywhere already

[void dragon]

does that say "boolet proof?"

[tame lodge]

Flak was translated to bullet proof yeah

[normal bay]

"Flak" translated by a Devil Claw enjoyer

[tame lodge]

bullet proof
1 shot by vigilant 7

It's more like "bullet proof plating"

Then unarmored would be "no plating"

Why? Idk

[hollow ibex]

what's carapace?

ultrabulletproof?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Carapace is carapace

[hollow ibex]

oh lmao

does the word flak not exist in portuguese?

surely it does...

[vague wigeon]

This is just wrong, bruh

[tame lodge]

Lemme check if it uses "plating as well"

[vague wigeon]

My build

[hollow ibex]

please don't take long shot

i beg

[sonic kayak]

[vague wigeon]

I've changed elite damage to maniacs and it hot A BIT better

[tame lodge]

Flak would be translated to "anti air"

[hollow ibex]

another one fell for the longshit trap 😭

[tame lodge]

Or something along those lines

[hollow ibex]

i can kinda see why... kinda

well

actually there's two meanings for flak right

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[vague wigeon]

But plasma is hugely misrepresented. It really needs a damage buff... And something to be done with its cleave

[hollow ibex]

anti air is the common meaning, but there's another meaning for stuff like flak vests

[tame lodge]

In English yeah

[slow spade]

550 damage -> 5500 damage

[hollow ibex]

what's flak vests in portgueuse?

[vague wigeon]

Because if helbore and revolver can one-shot crushers and plasma can't - it's just wrong

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/release-the-baby-croods-steam-happy-release-the-steamhappy-gif-11975816865959041108

[tame lodge]

"Bullet proof vest "

[hollow ibex]

[tame lodge]

💀

[hollow ibex]

welp iiwii

[vague wigeon]

Anti-fragmentation armor

In case of 40k flak

[tame lodge]

Anti air or bullet proof

[vague wigeon]

Because it is

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-morpheus-red-pill-blue-pill-truth-gif-4825473

[hollow ibex]

well flak isn't necessarily bulletproof

[vague wigeon]

anti-fragment

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the main thing

[tame lodge]

Yup
Carapace Plating

[vague wigeon]

This is literally the main purpose of flak

[tropic notch]

You get a lotta damage for less mobility

[vague wigeon]

It barely protects against enything else in lore

[tropic notch]

I think that’s a far trade

Go fight a bon with a ps

My fav past time

[vague wigeon]

Thi is a fair trade, bruh.

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

Infested
Maniacs
Bullet proof plating
Carapace plating
No plating
Resistant

[tropic notch]

I know I said that

[vague wigeon]

I can guess you are talking about power sword

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[vague wigeon]

I just agree

Hah

PS if good weapon. Good, but barely best.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Flak isnt designed for direct hits from anything.

[slow spade]

It literally crackles with lightning

Clearly it's the best weapon

[hoary marsh]

IN reality Guardsman should have Carapace armor on their torso, and flak armor everywhere else.

[vague wigeon]

In reality you can't afford that

[slow spade]

Na I'm not poor

Check my dockets

[vague wigeon]

So only some regiments that can afford that are having carapace

[hoary marsh]

Pretty sure it can be afforded by the imperium. lol

[tame lodge]

Vets number 1 melee

Closely followed by Rashad

Rashad my goat

[vague wigeon]

K, i've rolled a new plasma and will try it now

[slow spade]

the Imperium should give us ceramite armor

[vague wigeon]

Will come back with verdict

[hoary marsh]

Next class after Arbites is going to be a single Scout Marine.

[tame lodge]

You should swap your perks

[normal bay]

Did you not have an optimal plasma already?

[vague wigeon]

Vet's - yes. Good all-rounder. But in general - good-mediocre.

[vague wigeon]

I have these two

[slow spade]

crit weak spot + crit chance

[hoary marsh]

Blaze away and Optimized cooling are the best imo.

[vague wigeon]

To what?

[tame lodge]

Flak Unarmored

[vague wigeon]

Why?

[slow spade]

D:

[vague wigeon]

I mean, 4 shorts to kill mutant

[tame lodge]

Breakpoints

[vague wigeon]

It's not funny

With maniac it is 3 at least

[tame lodge]

You don't shoot mutants

They literally take 3 times melee damage

You should be meleeing mutants

[vague wigeon]

Wdym, i DO

I'm a RANGED clasee

I shoot EVERYTHING

[tame lodge]

No that's Psyker

[vague wigeon]

[tame lodge]

They are the ranged class

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Vet is ranged with Melee.

[tame lodge]

They have the infinite ammo

[hoary marsh]

Weapon Specialist will change your life.

[normal bay]

Muties are meant to be resistant to ranged, thats the point

[tame lodge]

They have the 400 Dmg per shot staffs

Staffs? Staves?

[vague wigeon]

Yet i effectively mow them down with lasguns

[tame lodge]

The sparky stick

[vague wigeon]

Dafuq

And still

Aside from mutants

2 shots to kill burster

Nott funny too

And i still fail to see for unarmored damage supposed to help

[tame lodge]

Most weapons suck against infested

That's the truth

[normal bay]

Dreg gunner one shot

[vague wigeon]

Flak will help to deal with gunners, k

[void dragon]

is there somethink like an infiltrate meta build?

[tame lodge]

You should have seen when bolter types took forever to kill dogs

[vague wigeon]

It makes me cringe so hard. Plasma literally supposed to one-shot everything human-sized

K but what about unarmoured?

With what will it help?

[normal bay]

It's a strength of that gun, same with maulers. But they're worse at gunners and some other specials. Worse at mixed horde too, especially if somethings hiding behind the wall of pox walkers

[normal bay]

Dreg Gunners are unarmoured

[vague wigeon]

I just counted

What the purpose of this gun, again?

It can't shoot elites

It can't shoot crushers

It can't shoot bosses

So it is only effective vs hordes of trash mobs?

[tame lodge]

It can shoot elites

[vague wigeon]

Not gunners

[loud belfry]

ive never really used plasma myself but they are one of the few weapons that ive noticed beat my damage in games. must be good.

[normal bay]

Gunners, specialists, ragers. It can shoot through bulwark shields. It has a large crit multiplier, which your build doesn't really make use of. It can shoot through dense hordes

[tame lodge]

Gunners are elites

Wdym

[vague wigeon]

Ragers, crushesrs, mutants

[open ravine]

Man people who think plasma suck just suck with the plasma

[tame lodge]

Mutants aren't elites

[open ravine]

Plasma deals with everything and if you know how to use it you can decimate with it

[normal bay]

Can it one shot Ogryns on crits? I can't remember

[open ravine]

Plus you can shot through quite a bit of cover to get those annoying enemies from far away

[topaz lance]

Isn't plasma still the meta pick?

[open ravine]

Yes on charged shots

[slow spade]

plasma is still one of the best picks yeah

[loud belfry]

key thing to do is always shoot through multiple enemies if possible. if you want to shoot a special off in the distance? try to put at least a couple chaff enemies in between

[open ravine]

Also uncharged if you got some damage buffs going

[woven viper]

Is it better to hip fire or brace w the plasma vs hordes?

[tame lodge]

Never brace

[slow spade]

I love agile engagement plasma c:

[tame lodge]

Like never

[normal bay]

Just a waste of ammo lol

[slow spade]

it is effectively always a bad idea to charge shot

like you can count the amount of times you need the damage on 1 hand

[normal bay]

But you know what. Sometimes that poxwalker deserved it

[slow spade]

true

2 ammo boxes? brb mag dumping

[vague wigeon]

Bro it's literally worse than recon lasgun at everything

[normal bay]

That just isn't true

[slow spade]

god where's the clown recon guy. He would have loved to see this

[tame lodge]

Have yet to see recon one shotting a line of gunners

[open ravine]

Man you really suck with it don't you

[tame lodge]

Or 2 shotting reapers

[loud belfry]

it cant be worse than recon at one shotting so ur wrong

[normal bay]

Recon is still a very strong choice but they each have their strengths. Plasmas strengths just suit vets role a bit better

[slow spade]

recon is funny for the basically infinite ammo though

[normal bay]

Recon is still a great choice all around

And again, plasma has great scaling into density, like all the broken shit

[vague wigeon]

Man, you're just trolling

[open ravine]

Plasma also suppresses all enemies around whoever it kills so it great at stopping gunner assaults

[woven viper]

What's the power sword most effective for btw, I'm testing different weapons I don't use much

[vague wigeon]

thos i manged to push it to acceptable damage by realigning the build

[loud belfry]

I think the answer is everything

[vague wigeon]

Tho i had to take every ranged damage increase possible

[open ravine]

Man you just can't handle the truth you suck with the plasma and think it trash where you are the problem

[loud belfry]

[tame lodge]

Everything

[vague wigeon]

Man, rule 4

[vague wigeon]

Tho maybe you are the redditard then it speaks for itself

[open ravine]

Power sword is a Jack of all trades weapon master of none

[woven viper]

Yikes

[loud belfry]

power sword's empowered push attack into light is pretty damn strong

[open ravine]

Exactly stop hating on a good weapon

[hollow ibex]

mk6

mk3 is the worse psword, but a mid psword is still a very powerful weapon lol

[tame lodge]

Crazy that the mk3 is just slightly worse

Than mk6

[vague wigeon]

Okay with THIS build is actually deals somewhat decent damage.

But bruh. It weapon needs entire build + perks + blessing to work - this weapon really needs a buff

[open ravine]

Wow that is just discriminatory

[hollow ibex]

for the second time, drop longshit. i beg 😭

[tame lodge]

That's like 90% of the weapons in the game

[topaz lance]

Are you trolling?

[hollow ibex]

also 8 stack FT 🤮

[tame lodge]

Every weapon needs a build

That's like

The reason of a build

[topaz lance]

I meant you, are you trolling?

[open ravine]

Plasma has max rending so rending doesn't affect it so it better to utilise your point elsewhere if you are using plasma

[hoary marsh]

Dude complaining about Plasma but uses longshot the worse node.

[loud belfry]

you dont really need a build (for just plasma). every gun is way worse without a build

[hoary marsh]

Also why rending? You dont need it.

Also why 8 stacks for focus? Dont need it, waste.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/same-same-but-different-gif-8914130427834339398

[loud belfry]

dont you just love that the Kanji for power is the same as the katakana for ka

it's epic

[vapid thunder]

ds:

[slow spade]

the only thing plasma doesn't have 100% rending on is carapace

[hoary marsh]

Also the node after grenade is wasted, 5% ranged damage is a waste thos little branching nodes arent very good and just make you give up more buffs for something that isnt that great.

[vapid thunder]

shame it looks so ugly or i’d try it

[open ravine]

Actually let's see your plasma quick. Not trying to troll but I want to see where you got it at the moment

[slow spade]

at the very least, it does look like the kind of gun that has a 1/6th chance to explode in your hands

[tame lodge]

カ

[hoary marsh]

Also not using Survivalist is pretty bold. but I can see not using it.

[vapid thunder]

survivalist lwk overrated

[vague wigeon]

I'm not. Plasma is supposed to be anti-tank/anti-everything weapon. In game it struggles with killing someone as basic as rager while other guns aren't.

If helbore and revolver can allow themselves to one-shot crushers and plasma not, then there's two possible conclusions:

1. Plasma is a joke.
2. Other weapons are overtuned.

[tame lodge]

CRIT build says hello 👋

[vapid thunder]

plasma can’t os crushers?

[open ravine]

Like perhaps you aren't hitting the breakpoints with it and that is why you don't like the plasma

[loud belfry]

力　カ

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[loud belfry]

か is the hiragana version

[hoary marsh]

honestly your issue isnt the plasma, its the build, you have allot of wasted nodes.

[vague wigeon]

I posted two earlier.

at least you've admitted that you were trolling

[vapid thunder]

^

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-baby-yoda-grogu-spit-out-gif-16862778420448399384

[vague wigeon]

I adjusted it just now to go all in into damage

[vague wigeon]

.

[tame lodge]

(Zarona revolver is overturned)

💀

[open ravine]

Just checked you should be hitting the breakpoints for the one shots against enemies if you aren't something is wrong

Plasma one shots quite frequently and if not at least 2 shots

[slow spade]

reminds me of when my helbore hit dreg gunners for 1398 damage :c

[open ravine]

Only really tanky enemies need 3

[vague wigeon]

Now i do.

With earliers build - i didn't

I kinda think about switching to exe stance for plasma...

[normal bay]

Doesn't the revolver need exe stance to one shot crushers?

Is that really a fair comparison in that case

[sour scarab]

@tame lodge What sort of nodes for my vet do I need... I wish to join the rashad club and I have recently rejoined the game xD

[vague wigeon]

Marksman focus, just like helbore, iirc

[topaz lance]

30% weakspot damage

[tame lodge]

Melee nodes

[open ravine]

I still think you aren't using it right because plasma is one of the best weapon but requires practice and also a good skill to get is 5 percent more toughness on kill as it allows you ignore the vent damage during a non charged shot spam

[tame lodge]

Bottom right

[hoary marsh]

Honestly focus target isnt that great for Plasma I think. you would get more mileage out of Weapon Specialist or Marksmen Focus.

But thats how I use mine.

Stacking Focus Target to 8 is just a wasted node though even if you use it.

[open ravine]

Weapon specialist is just cracked on everything

[normal bay]

Weapon specialist on bolter/hellbore

Now I'm considering an exe stance WS build

[hoary marsh]

WS is very good with almost anything. Shotgun buffs gonna go hard with it.

[open ravine]

It can allow for funny boss melts also if for some reason it's is your main method of toughness regen the 8 is okay

[vague wigeon]

I use it how it's supposed to be used

I mean lore-wise

This is why i tell you that this is bullshit

[hoary marsh]

Yeah if thats the intent. Plasma gun I wouldnt use 8 since its not a boss killing weapon really.

[vague wigeon]

Cleave is overtuned, damage undertuned

[hoary marsh]

I do with other stuff, but not that weapon.

[normal bay]

Lore plasma would break the game

Or randomly kill you

It would be funny at least

[open ravine]

Plasma rocks at boss killing if everyone else for to bring their kraks or a big damage weapon

[vague wigeon]

Only when overheated

[crude star]

they should give my helbore deadly accurate : )

[tame lodge]

Not like it needs it

Would be funny though

[hoary marsh]

Oh true. I can see that. Normally that's not my experience, so I clear whole lines of enemy's with he plasma while my zealot and psyker kill the boss. Lol

[crude star]

it would

[open ravine]

I have rocked plasma since the beta and it is my favourite weapon. I remember the days when it was once considered a psyker ability

[vague wigeon]

Okay, why does blaze away doesn't stack?

[tame lodge]

You dropped continuous shots

[vague wigeon]

I spam LMB but sometimes blaze away stacks just disappeare

[normal bay]

Could be UI bug

[tame lodge]

True

[open ravine]

Doesn't really work on non automatic weapons better to get the damage on heat build up

[vague wigeon]

I kinda doubt. If you remove cleave and leave all the resctrictions(Heat etc) it will become anti-elite gun but won't be suitable for all around use

Not like it's suitable for all-around right now dues the lack of ammo

[normal bay]

Lack of ammo

[tame lodge]

Remove cleave and gets stopped by everything

https://tenor.com/view/honestreaction-gif-27666449

[normal bay]

Guess the enormous mag and great ammo efficiency aren't enough

[hollow ibex]

this is still going on?

[open ravine]

If you are good with plasma it is one of the better ammo economic weapons

[vague wigeon]

I figured it out. I was using animation to orientate. But, apparently i should immediatly start a new shot for blaze away stacks to remain

[open ravine]

They should add an explosive variant of the plasma rifle which replaces the cleave with an a proper aoe on impact

[tame lodge]

That's for every weapon

[vague wigeon]

Or with raw damage bruh

[hollow ibex]

not rumbler

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[vague wigeon]

Tho having blast on charged shot sounds like a good idea

[tame lodge]

Wrong

Weapon Specialist rumbler

Literally infinite

[hollow ibex]

that's using it the wrong way

if you see your melee weapon at all while playing rumblergryn, you're playing it wrong

[open ravine]

Plasma once upon a time was just pure raw damage with infinite cleave but zealot players got salty so it was scaled back

[tame lodge]

But if you're good with rumbler

[normal bay]

New torgue variant, when it hits 100% heat, you throw it like a bomb and pull out another of your priceless relic guns

[vague wigeon]

Zealot players are always salty. I remember power sword whine

[tame lodge]

[vague wigeon]

When they compared power sword to boss-deleting machine of thunder hammer

[open ravine]

Zealot was so salty about vet that vet didn't even get a proper class rework when the class reworks were done the first time

[vague wigeon]

What are good weapon setup for melee build on vet? I think about powersword/chainsword with bolt pistol and knife with revolver combos...

[tame lodge]

For starters

[open ravine]

Yeah they were not happy with me at the time when I pointed out the hypocrisy of the argument that vet weapons were op when they are the only class that could one tap a boss on spawn

[vague wigeon]

First one for shout and second one for invis

[tame lodge]

"good" and "Chainsword" don't go together

[vague wigeon]

?

Everyone says it's a good weapon

Just like with plasma

[uncut pebble]

Yeah rumbler.

[vague wigeon]

Plus i see bleed talent + bleed blessing

[tame lodge]

Chainsword for vet isn't as good as zealot and Chainsword

[uncut pebble]

Is "everyone" in the room with us right now?

[normal bay]

Is this everyone in the server with us right now?

[hollow ibex]

Whoever this everyone is, they're wrong

[open ravine]

Chain swords have fallen behind in current patches just compared to other options

[uncut pebble]

Beat you to it. 🐌

[vague wigeon]

Same everyone who says plasma is good. Redditards and forumtards

[uncut pebble]

See that second half of both of those words should tell you why that opinion is wrong.

[vague wigeon]

Plus i've seen severals vets with chainswords runnin auric maelstorm

So i kinda suggested it is good

[open ravine]

The maul is one of my favourites for vet as it got a solid combo and the electric effect is useful

[uncut pebble]

Chain weapons in general aren't the greatest but they can be made to work.

[hoary marsh]

I use shock Maul. Lol

[uncut pebble]

Vets best 3 melees are power sword, rashad, and mk1 shovel.

[tame lodge]

No not shovel at all

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, shovel, ya weirdo.

[hollow ibex]

Even frog has been infected by shovel cope

[uncut pebble]

Shovel is great.

[open ravine]

Man shutup already about plasma. Everyone disagrees with you on your opinion it sucks

[normal bay]

Proves nothing. People can beat auric maels with all sorts of shit. And most vets I see mag dump hordes and don't melee at all

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, i also remember them deleting everything with bolter on old charge ult, outdoing vet, and deleting parts of hordes with a single flamethrower fart.

But then flame damage was nerfed.

[uncut pebble]

It's not cope lmao you can do half a crushers hp in one hit.

[uncut pebble]

You don't have to be rude.

[open ravine]

It's a solid weapon

[uncut pebble]

No need for that at all.

[vague wigeon]

I do that with my recon las

[normal bay]

Exactly

[vague wigeon]

Imma ranged class. I'm not making my hands dirty

[uncut pebble]

Vet isn't a ranged class.

Vet is the hybrid class.

[vague wigeon]

I repeat after redditards

[uncut pebble]

The ranged class is psyker.

[normal bay]

It's better than people give it credit for. Horde clear is just pants

[uncut pebble]

Well, stop doing that.

[vague wigeon]

Tho i must say that not consuming ammo in crits actually allows vet to magdump intop hordes

With lasguns, i mean

[uncut pebble]

Do not shoot ilas into hordes.

Please.

[open ravine]

Also if you use the right mark it gets just overhead heavys which puts out great single targets damage

[uncut pebble]

It has reverse damage falloff.

[normal bay]

You're just proving my point that most vets don't melee

[uncut pebble]

Key word there, if.

95% of vet players do not understand how to melee.

[vague wigeon]

Enlighten us

K how is knife and revolver combo for melee build?

[uncut pebble]

That includes

stamina management
dodge management
target assessment (what needs to die first)
horde combos
single target combos
proper weapon model
how to build a weapon correctly
breakpoints

[open ravine]

I know been playing vet since launch and it suffers from having the most forever noobs

[uncut pebble]

If you lack the knowledge of any of these then you probably don't know how to melee correctly.

[vague wigeon]

Power sword > Activate > Two heavy melee attacks > repeat

[uncut pebble]

Wrong.

[vague wigeon]

Push-attack if crusher

[uncut pebble]

Power sword does not use heavies.

[vague wigeon]

Or push into two light

[vague wigeon]

Right. It works

[uncut pebble]

Still isn't correct.

:)

[vague wigeon]

It does! You use lights only if you have no time to charge them

[uncut pebble]

Better question, what's the dump on power sword. (without looking at path's guide)

[uncut pebble]

You make time, in that case.

[serene bough]

the arbites class looks cool

[uncut pebble]

Large-ish stamina profile, push enemies, activate, block cancel, go nuts.

[serene bough]

the tanking shotgun stance is interesting

[tame lodge]

Bring frags or you'll suffer from hordesiosis

[open ravine]

Heavy is only useful for power sword if you got the blessing for increased charged damage depending on charge otherwise light spam power sword wins

[uncut pebble]

Ding ding ding! Wish sunder was more useful.

[vague wigeon]

I have both dumps. Tbh they both change nothing

If you want to run - you switch for rigle. bruh

[uncut pebble]

Unfortunately bm is too good to not have and pc is mandatory for psword.

[uncut pebble]

Is that your entire vet inventory for melee?

[tropic notch]

If you’re using sunder with the mk 3 ig but even still the mk 6 is better

[uncut pebble]

Go use rashad or mk1 shovel PLEASE.

[tropic notch]

Just light

[vague wigeon]

Bruh, no. I dunno why everyone says the opposite but momentum if pretty useless on psword.

[open ravine]

I'm a heretic as I always use mobility as my dump stat

[tame lodge]

Do you know what it does?

[uncut pebble]

You cannot possibly be more wrong.

[tropic notch]

[uncut pebble]

Ignoring hitmass is immensely broken.

[tropic notch]

This chat has now turned silly

[vague wigeon]

I dumped all my inventory into mastery when i saw new crafting system. Now i regret that

[tropic notch]

Bm > sunder

[vague wigeon]

So yeah, basically i had 2 pswords and 2 lasguns xD

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, so, every enemy has hitmass, as I'm sure you know.

[vague wigeon]

Adds damage on wp

[uncut pebble]

BM allows you to ignore that if they die.

[tame lodge]

And?

[serene bough]

wd

[tropic notch]

Bm is what make the caxe and taxe useful lol

[vague wigeon]

And 'supposed' to ignore hitmass.

[tropic notch]

[open ravine]

I got the bug where 80% of my equipment got max mastery right out the gate

[vague wigeon]

but if doesn't work

[uncut pebble]

So you can effectively kill a much larger number of enemies in one swing as long as they all die.

[open ravine]

Was nice to not need to farm

[vague wigeon]

It won't kill anything if it will stuck in single carapace enemy

And it WILL stuck in single carapace enemy

Aka crusher

[uncut pebble]

Your non bm sword won't either.

[vague wigeon]

It does, lol

[uncut pebble]

Also, that goes for every weapon.

[vague wigeon]

At corst of 1 estra light attack i have better horde clear

[uncut pebble]

If you hit carapace, your cleave stops with like every weapon.

[normal bay]

I wish we got more of these bugs and less of the:

• Grenade doesn't work now

Or

• The trapper netted you behind civer

[uncut pebble]

Trappers can shoot you through the stimm pods in warren btw.

[open ravine]

Used to like cleave on hit blessing for the power sword but not sure how it would compete nowadays

[uncut pebble]

Wrath doesn't compete.

[vague wigeon]

Not with sunder

[tame lodge]

It does ignore hit mass

[tropic notch]

I read up and saw he’s a recon vet 🥀

[uncut pebble]

Ignoring hitmass is always going to be better than any cleave boost, and bm having a bit extra weakspot damage helps with breakpoints.

So its marginally better than wrath.

[vague wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqLFHXK5aaA

[uncut pebble]

I wish psword wasn't such a mind numbing weapon.

[tropic notch]

What Is weapon specialist

[uncut pebble]

Nobody in this channel is going to open this btw.

We all know how the blessings in this game work.

[hoary marsh]

The bottom right keystone.

[tropic notch]

What is the entire bottom right tree

[uncut pebble]

We also have Path's guide if we want to go deep diving into vet, specifically.

[vague wigeon]

And because of this you make the wrong statements>

[tropic notch]

Someone help me i just know how to mag dump hordes and die in malice

[hoary marsh]

Its very swapping quickly between melee and ranged. Melee buffa ranged and ranged buffs melee. It's a very fun dynamic playstyle that's very versatile.

[uncut pebble]

Your argument that you can "cleave carapace" makes bm worse than sunder is a very strange argument that nobody agrees with.

[open ravine]

Should be reworked to work like the great sword variant in my opinion as the zealot one feels amazing to use

[tropic notch]

YOU LIE

[uncut pebble]

That's what everyone wants.

Heat system would be so much nicer.

[vague wigeon]

Dude there's an entire video showing that bm is worse than sunder and horde killing

[narrow frost]

I use sunder and only light attack

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-creature-yippee-gif-yippee-bonnie-the-bunny-yippee-bonnie-yippee-gif-1293011411948005361

[hoary marsh]

Nope, thats what it does. Ita very good, and I use it on most of my builds.

[uncut pebble]

Classic Ainz.

[vague wigeon]

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button how do I play vet please help me

[open ravine]

Man has been making a lot of strange arguments such as plasma is worse than recon and requires a hyper focused build to work

[tropic notch]

It’s so ass

[uncut pebble]

Hes not wrong about plasma needing a hyper focused build to work.

Plasma is a very breakpoint oriented weapon.

I'm not even going to lie and say I made my own plasma build, I stole Path's because his knowledge of breakpoints is better than mine.

[tame lodge]

False claim

[open ravine]

Man people just do not know how to use plasma I swear

[tame lodge]

That video isn't showing a horde clear

[tropic notch]

I should play more support smite psyker

With bubble

[hoary marsh]

When I get a chance I'll link the autogun build i use.

[uncut pebble]

Plasma has one thing going for it, and thats cleave. Otherwise, boltgun has better scaling and much more easily achievable breakpoints.

[vague wigeon]

It does with ragers

[uncut pebble]

Especially due to pinning fire being really, really easy to use on it.

[tropic notch]

||I’m joking dawg I know how to play ||

[hoary marsh]

Got me good. Lol

[open ravine]

Plasma is a hyper aggressive weapon not a sniper and you build into toughness regen so you can blaze away ignoring the over heat

[vague wigeon]

Imo plasma would be cooler if it worked like helbore

[uncut pebble]

You are wrong, sorry.

There's two ways to build plasma.

You either build it for mag dumping hordes of elites or you build it for crit chance maxxing oneshots.

[open ravine]

You suck with plasma if you think so

[uncut pebble]

It is by no means "hyper aggressive" and you want to milk as much damage out of it as possible.

[tame lodge]

Which is also manipulated data by him

He stopped killing Ragers

1 push attack and then stopped

[uncut pebble]

Great argument skills there, insulting instead of providing any form of evidence.

[neon current]

the ultimate argument (lolno)

he did it before

[uncut pebble]

Holy crap I actually agreed with Phra, hell must've frozen over.

[neon current]

plasma is a mediocre gun as far as dmg goes

its very cheap on talents and have very high cleave

which makes it top tier for havoc

[vague wigeon]

...

He went with heavies after.

[tame lodge]

In fact that video is inconclusive

[uncut pebble]

It's not cheap on talents.

[tame lodge]

Poor shown data

[neon current]

I'd say it is

[tame lodge]

No wonder it's "short video"

[neon current]

you don't need supression immunity

[uncut pebble]

If it's cheap on talents to you, then that's because oneshot breakpoints aren't achievable in havoc.

[neon current]

you dont need reload talents

[uncut pebble]

Normally, plasma is expensive to build for talents.

[hoary marsh]

I need to sit down and think of a Stub Revolver build. Like the gunslinger idea.

Likely do it better with an Arbites though, like a 40k Victor.

[vague wigeon]

Tbh i don't know who ever need it, aside from infantry lasgun

[neon current]

true

my daedshot bolter setup 😄

[uncut pebble]

Vigilant autoguns, zarona revolver, boltgun if sniping.

[tame lodge]

In fact it doesn't even show a horde clear

[uncut pebble]

Though exe stance removes suppression so that's a huge w/e.

[tame lodge]

This video title is misleading

[vague wigeon]

Makes sense

[hollow ibex]

try executioner's stance revolver

[quiet valley]

Honestly only Infantry Las needs Determined

[hoary marsh]

Yeah thats what I was thinking. Any hints to increase reload speed? I always hated how long it takes to reload.

[hollow ibex]

for exec stance, i just run tac reload

and that's fine

[vague wigeon]

Pick any single reload talent, lol

[hollow ibex]

you just need to remember to reload frequently whenver you have down time

[hoary marsh]

Didn't know if it had any other hidden tricks for it beyond the talents.

[tame lodge]

Ok where's the rest of the video

[hollow ibex]

not on an ES build, but on a more standard build you'd take always prepared for free reloads

ofc

[vague wigeon]

Maybe weapon spec, so you loade 1 bullet every time you trigger it

[tame lodge]

How does that explain that is bad against hordes

Where's the horde clearing part of the video

[hollow ibex]

maybe he's playing a gamemode where the only hordes are crushers

CIVI on steroids

oops, all crushers!

[tame lodge]

There's no horde on a video where it's supposed to explain a horde clearing difference

This video is shit

I mean not fully

But still shit

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i could plug it into my Bolt Pistol WS build, with some minor tweaks.

[vague wigeon]

What else do you need bruh

[uncut pebble]

It's funny when people try posting "video evidence" and wind up proving themselves wrong.

[vague wigeon]

PS deals with trash mobs just good

[tame lodge]

An actual horde clearing video

[narrow frost]

my homework done

[tame lodge]

Hello

[vague wigeon]

It struggler with cleaving through armodr

[tame lodge]

It's supposed to be a horde vs horde comparison

[vague wigeon]

Sunder fixes that

Simple as

[tame lodge]

Where's the horde?

[uncut pebble]

Go write me a 100 page book report over the Crucible.

[tame lodge]

There's no horde on a sunder horde vs a BM horde comparison

[uncut pebble]

Only carapace, which only 2 enemies have carapace armor at head height. (where you should be aiming)

[tame lodge]

I am not the asshole for actually demanding answers

This video basically only explains sunder

[quiet valley]

Sunder is MKIII PS pick

[tame lodge]

Where is the horde clearing on this video

[vague wigeon]

The swords whick i use, duh

[tame lodge]

This is not conclusive evidence

[vague wigeon]

which*

[tame lodge]

I want pictures of spider man

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-angry-mad-work-monday-gif-7905857

[vague wigeon]

Hm,i wonder if this will work

Crit plasma

[tame lodge]

If you want CRIT go blast

[vague wigeon]

With alternate fire?

[tame lodge]

M1 grants 2 or 3 stacks

[vague wigeon]

Like this?

[neon current]

am I doing it wrong?

plasma is by far my cheapest buld

I can grab literally everything juicy

[hollow ibex]

eww

voice of command

[neon current]

I dont like playing vet

I'll play the easiest build thank you

exe bolter is fun tho

[hollow ibex]

play infil or ES and you'll have a better time

[neon current]

fuck that shit

[vague wigeon]

Only 25% crit chance

[neon current]

the only time I play vet is when we really need one anyhow

or the double barrel

that one is fun

[tame lodge]

25% on top of 50% by gets hot
On top of 5% innate

If you want to get reciprocity on top of that as well

I love it on mortis Trials

Death dealer

[vague wigeon]

Without get's hot i mean

[tame lodge]

My beloved

[vague wigeon]

Uuugh

Wait

I kinda sleepy now

Why does spam plasma needs optimised cooling?

It increased charge rate

And acharge if for alternate fire

[tame lodge]

The description for optimized sucks

Blaze Aways cousin

But instead of +strength it's -heat

Also
Tooltips that sucks at explaining is Fatsharks favorite

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[uncut pebble]

St*alth...

🤢

[neon current]

by not playing vet, I still have almost 800 levels on her

doing weeklies

think I've done stealth twice

[serene bough]

why are you censoring stealth

[hollow ibex]

v*c

[vague wigeon]

Mhm...

I probably will nedd to experiment a bit with finding optimal blessings

Because i'm not sure that my two variants are good

[serene bough]

i dont use plasma in havoc anymore

ive moved over to kraks bistol and psword

[quiet valley]

Plasma I sleep

[uncut pebble]

Stealth sucks.

The only people ok with using it are ok with fucking over their entire team every time it's ready to use.

[serene bough]

ok, but why censor the text

[uncut pebble]

If you don't intrinsically understand it, then I can't explain it to you.

[serene bough]

🤔

[void dragon]

they are comparing the words with slurs to show their disaproval of each skill

[serene bough]

thats stupid

[void dragon]

kinda the point

its petty complains that are not complains

just messing with the others

[serene bough]

if you say so, thanks for explaining

[hoary marsh]

Been awhile since I used ES. Are any of the modifiers worthwhile of i am doing WS with Revolver and dueling sword/heavy sword.

[void dragon]

imo ES wants weapons that hit hard and want to hit weaksponts, Spear bolter and Helbore lasgun fit the bill particularly well because the trigger of ES swap the weapon faster than swaping normally

revolver should benefit from it, but its limite ammo between reloads might make it clumsy, and it sacrifice some melee safety to use your sword

(but if using DS you are already on the paths of cheating so you sould be safe anyway)

[hoary marsh]

I normally do WS for allot of builds to blind. Been forever and a day since I last used ES for anything since I mostly use Bolt Pistol, H Laspistol or autogun.

[vague wigeon]

ES wants some love

It was pretty overnefred imo

[serene bough]

it doesnt really have much of a place when you give up survial and utility for overall unimpressive damage

[tropic notch]

I hope they replace vets infiltrate when a nade launcher ability

[void dragon]

some said that ES should give you some kind of toughness regen defense, damage wise its quite good, but is quite dangerous to use vs the other options

[vague wigeon]

It needs to have returned what was taked from it

[serene bough]

that old talent that used to give TDR for ES should return, and apply teamwide

[vague wigeon]

Aka damage increase + ranged toughness damage reduction

[void dragon]

imagine a skill that let you do a Rambo, but instead of a light machinegun you use a grenade launcher

[vague wigeon]

Like, these 25% damage is... Kinda weak in comparison to shout

[serene bough]

id rather they just keep stealth but import more team play elements into it

[vague wigeon]

30-35% would be good

[serene bough]

but tbh, neither will be able to compete with the current VoC set up

[vague wigeon]

Iirc correctly vooley fire had 40%

But i might be wrong

[serene bough]

giving ES some rending would be nice too imo

[void dragon]

damage wise is already solid, issue is that it doesnt give utility/safety of the same scale of the others

[vague wigeon]

Anyway. It woulr be better to have old volley fire nonuses to return. Then it will actually give any point in taking this ult

And i ;like this ult more than shout

[void dragon]

it needs to give bonus to defense more than ofense

[vague wigeon]

Mosly because it's hard to see black enemies in the black maps

[vague wigeon]

Damage wise it is something. But not as solid as it was.

Plus damage buff won't hurt anyway

[tame lodge]

It would hurt the heretic

@tall torrent what's your Borovian set up

[vague wigeon]

We don't count them

[tame lodge]

I haven't played Skullbreaker in a while

[vague wigeon]

Alright

Gotta hit the bed

3:34

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i want to build a gunslinger build. Was going to use ES stance with weapon specialist and frag. But thinking of swapping to krak and doing fireteam.

Really want to rock a RT/Inquisitor style of sword and revolver or Bolt Pistol. Lol

[bleak tendon]

GUYS Caiaphas Cain is in my lobby

im kinda nervous

nvm server crashed, fuckass game

[hoary marsh]

If Cain is there your def gonna die.

[bleak tendon]

fuck

for my glorious king

[tame lodge]

server insta crashes

💀

[torn depot]

I wish scavenger didn't have a cooldown

[hoary marsh]

I love that Cains story is all about him just not wanting to be there.

[serene bough]

it used to have no CD

it was a good change to add CD

[torn depot]

Those were the glory days

[serene bough]

it was a needed change

its still one of the best auras in the game

[torn depot]

Doesn't feel like it

I mostly see the other two abilities

[serene bough]

in havoc surv is one of the reasons people take vet

other auras are usually bc of pathing for builds

[torn depot]

Fair enough I suppose

I just hate running out of ammo using Scavenger

Should be like 5% every five seconds

[serene bough]

well its bc before there used to be little to no reason to pick up ammo

bc it was so self sufficient

[muted peak]

guys I was just using kantrael mark 3b infantry lasgun for crowd control but recon lasgun seems like a solid option too

what do you recommend?

[hollow ibex]

recon lasgun is generally better

but you should be using your melee for hordeclear usually

not your gun

[muted peak]

well I use a chainaxe variant so its not optimal for horde

let me look at the mark

orestes mark 4

[uncut pebble]

Infantry lasgun is not meant for shooting hordes. Not only is it a precision weapon, it has reverse damage falloff.

[muted peak]

takes care of pesky flak armored enemies well so I use my melee for that

[uncut pebble]

I do not condone shooting into hordes, but if you're going to, use the brown recon and take shock trooper.

[muted peak]

shock trooper?

what is it?

[sonic kayak]

The Mk4 has good horde clear through its heavies and push attacks

[muted peak]

I also use it for precision in case I cant close the gap between ranged units

[uncut pebble]

The point is, it isn't meant to shoot into hordes.

[muted peak]

and its pretty effective against horde too?

that was my case tho

[uncut pebble]

Also, mk4 is the generalist model of chaxe. You are supposed to use that one for hordes.

Use heavy attacks.

[hollow ibex]

most of the time, you shouldn't be shooting hordes

#1 mistake of newb vets

[muted peak]

heavies sometimes a bit tricky to charge up

[hollow ibex]

magdumping into hordes

[uncut pebble]

Push first.

[muted peak]

I usually fail to charge up a heavy

[uncut pebble]

You want enemies to walk into your swings.

[muted peak]

hm

[uncut pebble]

So either wind up your heavy before you get into swinging distance or push the enemies to stagger them first.

[hollow ibex]

and you can dodge

[uncut pebble]

^

[muted peak]

I have 800 ammo

[uncut pebble]

Dodging is always an option.

[muted peak]

ıt doesnt even go out

[uncut pebble]

What difficulty do you play on?

[muted peak]

malice

[hollow ibex]

it will on other guns. better to just get used to meleeing/learning your combat fundamentals

otherwise you're not going to get better at the game

[uncut pebble]

That would be why you don't run out of ammo, then.

[hollow ibex]

and yeah that too

[uncut pebble]

Anything works on malice.

[tame lodge]

Infantry Lasguns such as the one you were using have Inverse fall off, close targets take less damage
So you were actually suffering

[hollow ibex]

i mean ilas is super ammo efficient, but you still shouldn't shoot hordes

[muted peak]

brother I know combat fundamentals, I m not a complete beginner to these type of games

[uncut pebble]

I can walk into a malice lobby with a freshly bought devils claw and autopistol and still mop the floor with everything I look at.

[hollow ibex]

then you should know to melee hordes 🤦

[uncut pebble]

The takeaway here is "don't shoot hordes."

[muted peak]

I know?

[hollow ibex]

clearly not

if you're magdumping hordes

try that on damnation

[muted peak]

easier?

[hollow ibex]

end up with half the damage of the ogryn

and most ammo used

average magdumping shitter vet on damnation is like that

i've seen it over and over again

[muted peak]

my game drops to like 5 fps when horde is big enough

[uncut pebble]

Using your own words here, if you "usually fail to charge up a heavy," then you do not know how to melee.

[hollow ibex]

well, in that case feel free to keep mag dumping hordes ig, if there's no chance you can play higher difficulties

[muted peak]

If you count it like that then I dont know

[uncut pebble]

You can't say you "know the fundamentals" and still "usually fail to charge up a heavy." Those are mutually exclusive.

[frail escarp]

darktide is very much its own game with its own mechanics

[uncut pebble]

I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just pointing it out.

[frail escarp]

just because you played left 4 dead before doesn't make you a pro at this game

[loud belfry]

i swear sometimes charging up a heavy is reliant on latency/lag and takes longer than it should. not sure though, just noticed some times i thought it should've heavied but it didnt

i wish there was just a heavy button

[muted peak]

finally someone gets my case

[uncut pebble]

Go use branx pickaxe lmao, the h2 after your sweep light takes forever to swing, you almost forget it even exists.

[loud belfry]

shouldn't be a consistent problem though, should be rare

[muted peak]

and I have an unbearable lag these days

dont know why

[loud belfry]

wifi?

[muted peak]

nop

server issue I msure

[loud belfry]

possibly

what's your ping?

[muted peak]

it kicks me %60 when I play

[loud belfry]

yeah i guess that could be related

[muted peak]

Didn't check it but I made sure its a server issue

searched for error code 2014 and saw its an old issue

still happening after 2 years

[loud belfry]

darktide's greatest flaws are its framerate and networking performance

[undone vector]

no fast track for leveling after getting a level 30 and capping havoc at 40 are my 2 flaws with the game

[fading yarrow]

"Yeah I'll do one Havoc for the weekly before bed"

Poxburster sends entire team over railing on the staircase after second medicae in Hab Dreyko

[undone vector]

and having 1/3rd of the weapons as vermintide

[main panther]

AGREE uncap the rogue like mode aswell shits fun why stop....

[undone vector]

i think they should cap dmg the mobs do as gunners are miserable enough but hp and amount of specials can always go up

[main panther]

100% agree between the stun and the ramping damage feels like toughness has no impact lol

[solar surge]

Is this worth it? Is damage relevant to the plasma gun at all?

Of course I plan on building it up.

I'm just wondering if 60% damage is worth it or if I should strive for maximum damage.

[tame lodge]

Not worth it

Damage is relevant to all weapons

But flamer

[solar surge]

What stat should I sacrifice for the plasma gun? which one should be at 60%

[tame lodge]

At best thermal

But in reality

@tired egret

[solar surge]

I could of course strive for a medium, looking for something 70-70, but it's hard to get the proper rng for that.

[loud belfry]

68 thermal is better

but not all 68 thermals can 'shoot 8 times without hurting self'

[tame lodge]

Allows for 8 shots before overheating

[solar surge]

If that's the case what other stat should be around 70%?

[tame lodge]

Charge Rate

Damage and Stopping Power affects your damage

Plasma has one if not the worst ammo economy in the game so you want ammo at 80%

[solar surge]

Alright, I'll see if I can find something like that in the future. Thanks for the info.

[fading yarrow]

[hollow ibex]

it's always the psyker

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[hoary marsh]

Charge rate and thermal resist are the dump stats for Plasma.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[sonic kayak]

@narrow frost I'm more surprised by the lack of bosses than anything

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3K8JmZ2Iks

I mean the total was still a bit high

but yeah we didnt get spammed with bosses

[hollow ibex]

man watching you slowly chip away at those crushers is kinda painful ngl

[narrow frost]

how so?

not like we were in danger of the carapace

[hollow ibex]

just takes so long

[narrow frost]

so?

I wanna keep making this point

[hollow ibex]

so buff hsword carapace adm 🙂‍↕️

[narrow frost]

you do not need to be able to 1-3 shot crushers

with any weapon outside ones you spec into

(thammer)

[hollow ibex]

well idc about havoc

but in AM/auric unless you want someone else to have the fun

being able to kill carapace reasonably quickly kinda fucking matters

[narrow frost]

does it?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[narrow frost]

in what way