veteran-class

[tall torrent]

pair with no respite and it can scale to bonkers boss dmg

I don't have +25% unyielding dmg perk on my shotgun

but if I did it'd be a 1 mag kill

[fossil lake]

someday ill get another 400 curio

the real endgame

[hoary marsh]

Yeah that Minimum pellet count. What does that mean?

[graceful jetty]

Yo I’m new and this whole dump stat thing is confusing me what stat should I be dumping on my weapons and why lmao

[sleek garden]

i feel like i could get something higher

i need to fix my mods

[tall torrent]

u can, I didn't build for boss dmg

[fresh dome]

I'm in love with infiltrate veteran now

[tall torrent]

so
when u shoot at an enemy with a pellet based weapon
if a single pellet hits that enemy, it'll register a set number of pellets' worth of dmg as if that enemy were hit by that many pellets
this is done to make shotguns feel more consistent (unfortunately, combat shotguns are still wildly inconsistent in dmg)

this set number of pellets is determined by the armor type u hit, and is called "minimum pellet count"

[tame lodge]

So dump stat
It's usually Mobility
If there's a defense stat then it's defense

[graceful jetty]

Thanks! I am trying to get a perfect recon lasgun right now

[tame lodge]

Yeah for recon

The dump is collateral

As it only affects stagger

Which recon isn't known for

[steel charm]

is there a ogrynomicon type guide for veteran? i need to educate myself

[hollow ibex]

pins

[steel charm]

thank you, i always forget pins exist

[hoary marsh]

Interesting. Didn't know that they worked that way. You would think it would make them feel stronger. After a few runs the Agri shotgun is good but only really if I nail headshots, and even then only if I have buffs does it really take out elite and specials.

[steel charm]

Trying to use some different weapons besides plasma and boltguns, the helbore was too difficult for me and didn't vibe with the revolver.

[hidden nymph]

anybody have a vet support build? like passives for the team and the shout? weapons no preference!

[hoary marsh]

Darktide builds has a good Squad leader build that pings targets for damage.

[hollow ibex]

as always the best support build is the one where you kill everything

[hoary marsh]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

Weapons are kinda optional. He uses a Plaasma gun.

Focus target is the best support option for Veteran.

[hollow ibex]

jfc this build again

don't even need to click into it

[hoary marsh]

Hahah.

[hollow ibex]

it's bad

[hoary marsh]

I mean I tweak it for a few things to fit my style. But I wouldn't call it bad.

[hollow ibex]

no

it's really fucking bad

it's better than it used to be at least

since the author started reading the guide in the pins

[hoary marsh]

Its not optimized sure, but I think bad is a stretch. Its hard to have a bad build in this game. Most things can passably work on most difficulties.

[willow tendon]

it's really easy to have a bad build actually

[hollow ibex]

yes, thank you, guy with the slut tag

[willow tendon]

always got you

[hoary marsh]

Ill just assume no elaboration is forth coming. 👍

[hollow ibex]

big parts of the game are either poorly explained or straight up lies to you

so people who don't read guides written by nerds

often have the wrong idea of how to make their build

it's not their fault, but it is a problem if it's one of the most upvoted guides on THE build site

because it's literally just spreading fake news and leading newbies to make terrible builds

[hoary marsh]

Again, my main thing is Define terrible then. Because if you are saying its horrible and trash that implies to me that it cant even clear Malice threat. so maybe thats where I am not really getting that its just so bad its unusable. Not optimized for sure, but not unusable.

Pretty sure allot of those upvotes are old to. The build has been around since basically the new skill trees were introduced.

[hollow ibex]

you can prob clear any gamemode with any build if you're good enough

that doesn't change whether a build is good or not tho

whether a build is good or not comes down to whether there's a well-rounded kit, whether points are efficiently allocated and synergies properly exploited

i mean if it's purely a meme or thematic build, that's a different story ofc

like this build, not even talking about the weapons, a 3rd of the talent tree needs to be moved around

which is not good lol

actually he doesn't even take born leader, which is one of the few dedicated support talents vet has

so you can't even call it a good support build lol

[hoary marsh]

Funny enough all the things I changed the first time i put it together. lol

[hollow ibex]

well good call

[hoary marsh]

I agree it never made sense to boost your own ranged damage if doing a support build. Especially using something like a Plasma gun.

[umbral scaffold]

What am I looking at

This is hurting my eyes

[hoary marsh]

I guess I would count good/decent as something that can regularly do Damnation. But I see what you mean about good being more based of wether its synergizing correctly.

I say that having done Damnation with only half a skill tree before. lol

[hollow ibex]

and if you wanted to thematically have a very support focused build, you'ld need these talents

and it's going to be horrible to play

i can guarantee it'll wear thin quickly

[hoary marsh]

Connecting them alone would take allot more away than you would gain.

[hollow ibex]

yes exactly

[hoary marsh]

I see what you mean then. Really it was we had a different understanding of what good and bad meant in relation to builds. I agree with what your saying for having the build actually use all its nodes effectively as being the benchmark for good.

[hollow ibex]

vet gets taxed to shit

i mean a bit better than zealot who has like 1 build

but there's not much leeway to take bad / trap talents

like this shit

sounds good on paper

in reality, one of the worst talents in the game

not even for vet, just in the game lol

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I tried that at the beginning and then I saw the numbers after testing it and dropped it so fast. lol

[hollow ibex]

does the game help you make an informed decision? lolno

[hollow ibex]

yeah on paper sounds good "i'm going to make a sniper build!"

[tall torrent]

yea combat shotguns are not in a great spot atm

[willow tendon]

not even a sniper build, some would assume it's good in any gun-focused build, but then it starts doing anything at all at 13 meters

[tall torrent]

it's REALLY EASY to make a bad build for veteran

too many bait talents

[sonic kayak]

I don't understand the obsession with sniper builds. Vets can just give the heretics a mean look and they'll die.

[charred pulsar]

Greetings vet folk, which melee weapon pairs well witrh a bolter build that isn't knife of toothpick

[tame lodge]

Psword once again

[hollow ibex]

hsword is good too

[tame lodge]

Or Rashad

Real

[hollow ibex]

rashad might be hard on bolter unless you run a more generic VOC build

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword / tac axe

The rest are either too point intensive or not that good

[grand perch]

Good morning vet chat.
I see Squad leader build has been posted and demolished
Good work everyone

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah taxe

[charred pulsar]

Real nice options you got there, but yeah the idea is not change nodes for my bolter

[umbral scaffold]

The 23rd shall fix the statements about shotguns hopefully

[charred pulsar]

Uhhh this heavy sword skin aint that bad, I may give the weapon a try

What blessings and perks for it?

[umbral scaffold]

There used to be that meme crit build for shotguns awhile back if I remember correctly

[tall torrent]

Given what they showed with arbites shotgun in the 7 min video which was supposed to be good

I have extremely low hopes because combat shotguns need very substantial buffs to be considered “not horrible”

[tepid panther]

Hey can someone help me with a solid veteran build, please? I feel like the build I've been using is rather lacking?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

generic starter vet build

[tepid panther]

Thank you! I just realized i was using the build that was mentioned as being bad a bit ago.

[hollow ibex]

i run flakiac + headtaker deathblow, but you can check the pinned guide

[hollow ibex]

squad leader build got another victim 😭

[tepid panther]

It sucks cause there isn't really much reliable information without coming to this discord for a build.

But I appreciate the help!

[hollow ibex]

yeah, hopefully once path finishes the steam guide by 2027 (when the vet rework will happen and the entire thing will need to be rewritten)

there'll be more accessible information on how to build vet

[sonic kayak]

Time to post my smoke build

[hollow ibex]

make sure to name it darktide: THE veteran meta build 2025. (plasma gun)

[sonic kayak]

absolutely

[tepid panther]

Can I swap out the Out for Blood passive if I'm using the boltgun for the faster reload?

[hollow ibex]

oh

i wouldn't run bolter with that build

weapon specialist keystone doesn't work well with bolter

[grand perch]

never skip the toughness regen talent at the top imo. too important

[hollow ibex]

and that too

[sonic kayak]

When I upload my video of A Pimp Named Slickback I'll call it "#1 Ogryn meta build 2025 Auric Damnation+ everything+"

[tall torrent]

You always want at least 1 toughness gain talent from the top section

[hollow ibex]

you mean h40+ everything+

[tepid panther]

Gotcha, I tend to use the boltgun or the recon lasgun, so i'm trying to figure out a more all-rounder for both.

[sonic kayak]

H40 is for sweats and only 5 people play H40 according to Reddit and YouTube

[tall torrent]

Recon can be pretty minimalist
Boltgun requires a dedicated setup for it

[hollow ibex]

bruh

fucking hardon deleting my links

something like this works for recon las

[grand perch]

dont post illegal shit mate

[umbral scaffold]

Well tbf I have a strong feeling that wasn’t even a green or blue tier of the shotgun so I feel like that video did it no justice lol

[tepid panther]

No keystone?

[sonic kayak]

@hollow ibex also Auric Malestrom very scary very hard, weakened Monstrosities are literally the hardest thing in the whole game, should be removed because Smite can't stun 1 boss let alone 2

[willow tendon]

shock trooper?

[willow tendon]

doesn't need one

[hollow ibex]

if you want, you can drop the crit chance node for it, but i don't think it's worth it or necessary

with recon las having surv OR ST is sufficient

[umbral scaffold]

No onslaught? sickening

[hollow ibex]

because you should be in melee half the time anyway

[faint beacon]

I’ve come to inform you that Taxe 4 is the most brain dead overpowered melee in H40

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is meh

[faint beacon]

No before you get your torches I’ll explain

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not bad at all for recon tho tbh

Melts

[sonic kayak]

Ham showed me, disgusting

[faint beacon]

Hamdol was smoking a crack pipe and decided to test it out on Veteran

[tall torrent]

In a vacuum it’s good

[faint beacon]

And yeah apparently Recip + Desper + EWeakness with serrated

[tall torrent]

But it essentially comes down to

Do you have a strong anti-armor melee weapon?
Yes -> no onslaught
No -> Do you want to use a strong anti-armor melee weapon but it costs talent points to be optimal?
Yes -> spend those points on melee, don’t run onslaught
No -> Do you really want to magdump crushers with your gun?
Yes, with Vraks V / Recon XII -> run onslaught
Yes, but no specific ranged weapon in mind -> Boltgun + executioner’s stance
No -> what are you doing?

[faint beacon]

Literally shits on everything

[hollow ibex]

wwwtf

[hollow ibex]

that sounds like an insane combination, and not in a good way lol

[sonic kayak]

It's true, I saw it

[hollow ibex]

i'll need to try it

[tepid panther]

Not to bother too much, but what would be good for running the boltgun?

[hollow ibex]

i love taxe

[faint beacon]

He did over 500k boss damage

[grand perch]

finally you see the light

[hollow ibex]

excuse me

[faint beacon]

I was running a build without abusing the macro and dealt like

[sonic kayak]

@faint beacon was he running Shred or Bromentum? I forgor

[faint beacon]

1 Mil Total

[faint beacon]

HT Deci

[hollow ibex]

exploit weakness being taken on a build

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stanley-sleeping-the-office-gif-18600658

[hollow ibex]

never thought i'd see the day

[faint beacon]

But for that run it was Relentless HT

[hollow ibex]

based

that's what i run too

[faint beacon]

Brittle bleed that’s why

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it makes sense

but the numbers look low on paper

[sonic kayak]

I had to get off before I could see the H40 run but just running that with Skitarius in the Meat Grinder was gross

[faint beacon]

Yeah it was

Vile

Relentless is better on Auric under

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i noticed that. I notice a talent is bad and then forget it exists. Lol

[faint beacon]

Deci is better cause it assists with clear better

[grand perch]

whos hamdol tho

[faint beacon]

Hamdolsun

[tame lodge]

Player that is cracked out of their mind

[hollow ibex]

never heard of him, is he tanner's alt?

[faint beacon]

I don’t recall his @ unfortunately

[narrow frost]

@steep summit

[faint beacon]

Ainz and him play a shit ton

[hollow ibex]

[narrow frost]

oops

@old prism

he

[faint beacon]

Thank you

Veterans brain dead melee pick and it’s an off meta choice

[sonic kayak]

I'll run it tomorrow, and I appreciate it's running smokes

[faint beacon]

Insane

Lmao

[tall torrent]

Idk why specifically tac axe 4

Both 2 and 7 have better light atk damage

[faint beacon]

Insane attack speed

[tall torrent]

Eh it’s not that different

[narrow frost]

the 1st light can be macro'ed

[sonic kayak]

No left bottom, correct? I don't remember

[narrow frost]

to insta deploy

[faint beacon]

Literally turns into a lawnmower

[tame lodge]

I would also not use taxe 4

3 cleave across the board

[tall torrent]

If u need a macro to use it proper it’s kinda not worth idk

[tame lodge]

Could easily go past 4.5 cleave

[narrow frost]

its not for a normal player

[unreal nova]

Guy who totally carried me to H40 in like 3 days.

[tame lodge]

Basically resetting relentless

[faint beacon]

That’s the funny thing cause I did do it without a macro and it still performed incredibly well

I played a few H40s with them

[tall torrent]

What’s the overall build

And ranged weapon

[faint beacon]

Taxe is a solid all rounder

[narrow frost]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719/1383225680594210837

[faint beacon]

I was running Agri 9 + Taxe 7/4

Dependent on mark

Him though

[hollow ibex]

dafuq

[faint beacon]

He used Plasma Taxe 4

[hollow ibex]

no WS?

no trench fighter?

that's cursed

[narrow frost]

dont need attack speed with a macro

its instant

[hollow ibex]

oh lmao

[tame lodge]

Only way of playing Taxe 4

[hollow ibex]

seems like a bit of an exploit tbh

[tall torrent]

What’s the top half

[tame lodge]

💀

[unreal nova]

You should see the bully club ver.

[tame lodge]

Without hating yourself for your wrists

[grand perch]

id consider macroing very close to exploiting yeah

[faint beacon]

He out damaged a Thammer Zeal in Boss Dam

[faint beacon]

Oh he immediately reported it

[unreal nova]

Permastagger+damage bully any boss that isn't immune to stagger.

[faint beacon]

So don’t expect it to be around much longer lmao

[narrow frost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1383241582978797588/image.png?ex=684e139c&is=684cc21c&hm=2c8b4f57b29336a7208a97fd7e39525027f58ee8a2c8a0fd00ea104c32349cc8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[faint beacon]

Keep in mind

That run I was running

Agri 9 Taxe 4

[unreal nova]

Trying to manually do it hurts my hands.

[faint beacon]

And I wasn’t macroing

[hoary marsh]

Top part always ignore left side.

Lol

[sonic kayak]

A Pimp Named Slickback

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's kinda sad

[tall torrent]

Idk I think it’s a gimmick at best

And it takes a macro to be “high value”

Not a fan

[unreal nova]

You either go center or right. Lul.

[tame lodge]

Another Taxe L

Another day of me being right

[narrow frost]

left

[hollow ibex]

not terrible ig, by taxe standards lol

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[hollow ibex]

mk4 taxe that is

[hoary marsh]

I imagine with a really good team and good positioning it could work. But even then its still a hard ask.

[faint beacon]

I’m genuinely convinced Taxe is a Swiss Army knife cause yeah it’s not deleting everything in 2 seconds like DS but it so easily gives you mobility and stagger on the fly that you very much can keep yourself alive for way fucking longer

[tame lodge]

Criss Cross

[narrow frost]

apple

[tame lodge]

Cha cha

[narrow frost]

sauce

[tall torrent]

Nah with a good team the other 2 just pull ahead even more

[steel charm]

So the pinned guides provide an excellent amount of info but it's kinda overwhelming D:

[tame lodge]

Real smooth

[tall torrent]

What specific part do u need

[unreal nova]

Isn't that just the knoife?

[steel charm]

I suppose all of it, I have been personally running a plasma / heavy sword wep specialist build but haven't really experimented with anything else.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah so really even if you have a good team make it good that good team will make the others better. Lol

[faint beacon]

Knife is just slightly more respectable DS

[tall torrent]

Then uh
Ur not gonna believe it but that document I made is actually quite condensed and left out a lot of things

[hollow ibex]

tbh, you know it's a good build if it takes C&K 🔥

[tall torrent]

Nah
Neither is respectable

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s why you don’t catch me using either

Besides having stagger on command outside of bosses has me hooked

[steel charm]

It is fantastic, thank you for making it, just struggling to make a build, I lack the brain power to make a well rounded build.

[hoary marsh]

Ill never not use Krak grenades. And I'll die on that hill. Lol

[tepid panther]

Question, for the Accatran MK XII, is Dumdum or Infernus better?

[fading yarrow]

That's why I use both frequently

[tall torrent]

Just take both

[fading yarrow]

Team DPS? Never heard of it

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u aiming for

[hoary marsh]

Yeah both.

[tepid panther]

So, no headhunter?

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s not worth on recon

[tepid panther]

Thank you both.

[tall torrent]

Take reciprocity talent instead

[hoary marsh]

Yeah Headhunter isnt as good as it sounds. Dumdum and infernus will take you far.

[tall torrent]

And grab 5% crit chance talent on right side

[tepid panther]

Appreciate it, gonna go test out these new builds!

[steel charm]

Not sure, been trying to experiment with stuff. I'm still new, only really starting to begin my journey into havoc / auric, not having issue with damnation.

I feel like with pubs and at the point of the game I'm at, I can't really focus into one role so I like being able to handle everything to a degree which is why I liked the plasma and Heavy sword, being able to cleave the horde and put down the big boys. Lacks a little in boss damage but not felt the need yet.

I found a lot of the weapons I've tried (low level) don't have the firepower to hurt carapace armoured guys. The bolters are nice, the helbore isn't for me, I ain't good enough to use it, I'd like to use the infantry lasgun, a shotgun, infantry autogun.

In regards to melee, I have found the heavy sword easy to use with the heavies and cleave. I like the idea of powersword, chain weapons, i refuse to use dueling sword.

Sorry, I should probably just play the game and find what I like.

[tall torrent]

probably learn power sword?

[steel charm]

Yeah I saw you posted that earlier, insane.

[hollow ibex]

if you play vet, hope you like power sword

[tall torrent]

I hope u like power sword 24/7 for 400+ hours

[steel charm]

I mean I like it until I screw up and get myself cornered and run out of charge on it.

[narrow frost]

Use taxe then

[tall torrent]

just remember

push (but not chaining into push attack)

[hollow ibex]

psword is a good weapon to teach you the power of pushing

[tall torrent]

is a thing

[sonic kayak]

Bash and slash

[steel charm]

Yeah I probably do try to duck and weave too much

HS and Ogryn taught me bad habbits

[steel charm]

where is this from?

[tall torrent]

my guide
work in progress

[steel charm]

Ah, is it not added yet or is it behind the clicking the weapon icons and my firefox not letting me click it?

[tall torrent]

it's not finished

and will take some time (months) to be finished

[hoary marsh]

Shock Maul is true peak.

[steel charm]

Understandable, it is an awesome bit of data

[tall torrent]

basically an expansion of the word document guide

[steel charm]

Thank you

[tall torrent]

but with more details, more accurate data

and cleaner visuals

[steel charm]

It is very good, I'm just stupid.

I don't suppose you have some sample talent builds?

[tall torrent]

veteran builds come entirely down to the weapons u choose

with that said this is a decent starting point for non-havoc

[steel charm]

That's pretty close to what I'm currently running

Can't post image

[tall torrent]

u can ask in dm if u want

[steel charm]

I just went frags & survivalist essentially cause every guide I saw on the lantern website was taking it

Otherwise identical

[tall torrent]

they're very strong yes

but so is agile engagement

unless u play mainly havoc or CIVI, or use a rly ammo hungry gun like boltgun

survivalist usually isn't a necessity

[steel charm]

I do enjoy the whole using both weapons combat loop

Well my friends want to do havoc but we haven't started yet so not sure what it actually involves beyond 16

[tall torrent]

below 30 it's not that different

just gradually harder but mostly not that different from auric diff

30 it activates fading light 2 and game goes into ball crunching mode

[steel charm]

Sounds good, got a way to go yet though.

Sorry I am taking up so much of your time

If I was to use that build and a power sword, what would you suggest I keep my ranged weapon selection to in order to be able to deal with any threat

[willow tendon]

what's the difference between damage and base damage? E.g. fire team aura has just "damage", while other talents add base damage

[grim widget]

recon lasgun iv or v?

[hollow ibex]

eh?

neither of those are recon las marks

[tall torrent]

same thing
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043910914027561000/1373162437305696276/Screencast_20250517_005515.mp4?ex=682cb46d&is=682b62ed&hm=56b578e24012c6461e0c927864ec317c155788451177ddd5d1a345be7420686a&

[hollow ibex]

uh oh

he's running PBB too

[rose reef]

wonder if arbites and veteran will get along

[grand perch]

prob not

maybe professional will suck up to them, that ol' commissar bootlick

[neat stratus]

He knows what he's doing

[rose reef]

real

cutthroat def not getting along

and loose cannon pissing them off

[unreal nova]

Loose cannon annoying everyone is normal.

[iron marten]

Played ogryn for the first time in a while, and my ogryn really said "they should get a new planet and call it cadia and that will solve it!"

Makes me wonder how the cadian vet would react if they heard that

[stoic thorn]

They're actually making cadia 2

[iron marten]

nice

[unreal nova]

Better than the rocks and sand the OG now is. Maybe should collect some to christen their new world.

[blazing jetty]

Ogryn deserves another gold star for such a brilliant idea

[analog timber]

What meta builds are you guys all running atm? I’m only level 23 but loving it so far

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

[unreal nova]

Classic 'nadier build for me. Lazy to go dig up build rn though.

[sudden cedar]

I avoid using the Duelling Sword. That's all.

[analog timber]

Anyone free to help me grind from 23-30? Getting shitty groups atm

[sudden cedar]

Sadly no. Fight through it like a true servant of the God-Emperor.

[tame lodge]

It's 2 am and I'm half asleep

Sorry

Can't help

[midnight wyvern]

depends where you're from, dont really feel like 200+ ping gaming

[unreal nova]

I don't do havocs for fun even if I were open to 400 ping DT.

If you need MM though...

[steel charm]

Imagine playing 40k and using a cutlass 🤮

[analog timber]

Aus

[midnight wyvern]

well there we go

yeah I can help out

[steel charm]

my dumbass thought always prepared might reload both shells with more stacks but it doesn't

[grand perch]

you'd need 16 stacks of weapons specialist to achieve more than 50% ammo restored, which would round up to 2 shells

[steel charm]

Yeah reading comprehension isn't a strong point for me

was a beautiful dream tho

[midnight wyvern]

bro never replied

guess he didn't need that much help lol

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-usagi-cockroach-gif-5998373961064243412

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cockroach-beetle-pet-funny-yey-gif-5959650952850451610

[loud belfry]

[plain osprey]

I can celebrate a premiere. I just had fun for the first time ever with the executioners stance

I used the braced autogun (Agrippina)

[mossy monolith]

whats a good perk for double barrel

[open ravine]

I like the braced the most out of the autoguns families

[stark lotus]

Arbites is gonna destroy our class tbh

[plain osprey]

Hot take, the heavy laspistol is a melee weapon

[plain osprey]

Remains to be seem

[unreal forge]

that wouldn't be difficult

the Ogryn talent tree is the new standard, so Arbites is going to have a lot more variety and sensible talents than Veteran and Zealot

[plain osprey]

Arbites seems to be centered around CC and shock troop damage. You dont have to play vet that way. P gun vet can pretty much play anything, from ranged support to monster Hunter, to objective clearer to front soldier, to stealth assasin. In the end, If you dont play with friends, quickplay is gonna throw you whatever anyways. (Might even end up with 3 smykers ) . Sure, first 1-3 months after Initial release its gonna be all arbites but after that everyone is gonna go back to what they like and i doubt arbites will take too much away from veteran

[unreal forge]

if anything Veteran and Zealot need a talent tree rework to make it akin to Ogryn's

[plain osprey]

What precisely would you rework and how?

[unreal forge]

Auras other than Survivalist need a re-do, mandatory talents like 30% weakspot damage and 25% ammo need to be in the middle and easily accessible from any path, there should be a single node connecting blitzes just like the Ogryn tree instead of 3 nodes

[plain osprey]

Fair. Seems reasonable.

The blitzes thing should also apply to psyker. I grow tired of not being able to pick assail because it barrs me from psykinetics aura

[crude wind]

The biggest thing for Zealot and Vet is modernised layout

And fixing under powered/bad abilities

[open ravine]

I wonder when fatshark will finally drop the full commissar drip and not just the hats

[unreal nova]

Maybe never.

That's FOMO for you. You missed it? Tough luck, better preorder a game next time to not need to gamble.

[open ravine]

What do you mean missed it they still haven't done a proper commissar cosmetic

[unreal nova]

They have. Nearly 2 years ago.

Never rerun.

You can look it up.

Full commissar drip.

[open ravine]

Got that one but isn't a proper commissar drip

[unreal nova]

Even with old Yorrick's gun.

[open ravine]

I own about 80 percent of the vet cosmetics

[elder vessel]

BRO YOU CANT POST THAT IN HERE THATS NSFW

[crude wind]

I personally hated the chonky commissar drip from a couple years back

Looked awful

Super boxy

[open ravine]

The pants were great though

But I would like commissar drip like the one the havoc lady is wearing

[grand perch]

ah yes, Commissar DuKannst

[void dragon]

This is the one thing holding me back to get commissar gear for my vet, it looks dumb conky instead of cool

[plain osprey]

Anyone else sharing my view on the heavy laspistol? (I used the more damage dealing one of the two) (Close damage blessing plus infernus i think) (Maniac and flak as perks iirc)

I found that i am the most comfortable with it in the 10-pointblank metres range. (Not that you cannot snipe with it, one certainly can, i just lack the general aptitude for it).

Also, the special action push seems really strong. Ive yet to test the boundaries but it can effortlessly deal with dogs (as long as lagtide doesnt strike) aswell as poxbursters and iirc it can even stagger ragers out of combo.

Since it has enorme headshot damage, fast fire rate, decent reload time and a very straight and narrow and stable projectile path (at least in the close range) i could pretty much get away with using it as a melee weapon.

I also almost never aimed/braced, since hipfire felt more accurate, especially in the distance where my lack of skill still allows me to hit weakspots (0-10 mtrs 🙃)

Am i the only one using that gun this way or is this standard practice i just missed out on due to research negligence ?

[hoary marsh]

I have been messing with it in the Psy recently. It seems to do more damage to things then the normal Lasgun, even though the Lasgun damage is higher.

[sleek garden]

That is very specifically tailored towards a shooter heavy play style so why would it be in the middle support category

[sleek garden]

That is how you use it, it's high mobility with close range precision

It's sort of the opposite of the infantry lasgun, where the damage scales higher at range but you move slower

[vapid thunder]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee36473-7a45-464c-bba7-af3476e951c5/recon-lasgun-veteran-current

is this a good build

[hollow ibex]

Could be a lot better

The tree itself is largely fine

[nimble wadi]

What blessings/perks should I use for knife on vet

[plain osprey]

Yeah, that was my mistake. I tried to use it like an infantry lasgun.... Didnt really get warm with it over several games. Played it once as described, fell in love instantly, completley different experience than previously.

Will deffo try it on scriers gaze gunpsyker together with force great sword or dueling sword

[hoary marsh]

Dude does dueling sword for every build.

[unreal nova]

Needs a little trimming and having blitz and such joined by 1 node instead of 2+.

[hoary marsh]

I am using an altered version of his bolt pistol one he has. It's very similar with some tweaks.

[hollow ibex]

damage perks of your choice, or stam, then blessings are uncanny + riposte/precog (mk6) or lacerate (mk3)

[plain osprey]

I mean, its the pb n jelly of melee weapons. Always an Elite combo, always works. A bit unimaginative, but its basically an easy button so can fault people for using it.

[void dragon]

can you really blame him? is very much the best human weapon

[hollow ibex]

if someone runs DS on every build, it just screams "I'M BAD AT THE GAME"

[void dragon]

yeah but actually no

[nimble wadi]

So with mk3 use lacerate and uncanny?

[hoary marsh]

Oh yeah, my statement wasent calling a fault with it. The dueling sword is a great weapon. It's more i have dueling sword fatigue at this point. Lol

[hollow ibex]

nah, it does. even if they're a good player, they're probably worse than they probably otherwise would be because of DS

[void dragon]

there is a reason why some dont use it at all

[unreal nova]

You can do it with mk 6 as well.

[hollow ibex]

yes, but you need trench fighter, and strongly recommended to take WS as well

and serrated blade

[hoary marsh]

Same with Combat Axe, I got tired of using it and have been trying allot of other weapons because good lord have i used the DS and Combat Axe sooooo much.

[plain osprey]

Or, hear me out, they are too lazy or dont play often enough to try something different. Lack of skill isnt the only reason people pick the overpowered easy buttons. Convenience can also be sponsored by lazyness

[hollow ibex]

and they're worse at the game as a result

[unreal nova]

You do that with mk 6 as well.

[plain osprey]

I only use it for civis

[hollow ibex]

DS might be op, but it's rarely even the best pick lol

it's just a braindead weapon

the melee equivalent of a rumbler

[plain osprey]

Many factors play into being bad at the game.

[nimble wadi]

What is WS sorry

[hollow ibex]

auto win button, impossible to fuck up, and takes 0 skill to play

[unreal nova]

Weapon Specialist.

Right keystone.

[void dragon]

it seems quite amazing pair for the shotgun, single target full on melee, aoe horde cleaning gun

[hollow ibex]

you could, but mk3 is better with it

[void dragon]

sad that is so OP

[nimble wadi]

Oh gotcha

[hollow ibex]

yes, but still not as good as rashad or PS

if you really want to sweat

[vapid thunder]

what combos on rashad

[plain osprey]

True. Same. I use it for two builds. For my havoc Grenadier vet (that i also use for civi) and my purgatus staff psyker (because old habbits die hard). Thats about it.

[unreal nova]

I would differ, they both good with it.

[hoary marsh]

Been running the shock Maul and having a good time. Dodge interrupt special attack to stun a whole group of crushers works.

[hollow ibex]

light spam for horde, heavy spam for big elites

[vapid thunder]

what weapon would you recommend then

[hollow ibex]

push attack for ragers, then lights

[vapid thunder]

ok brain off got it

[void dragon]

imo rashad is the best option for swap WS with shotgun, because you dont want to add an activation on the loop of the combat

[hollow ibex]

yep

[normal bay]

Join us in the land of the mk3 shovel and one shot crushers

[vapid thunder]

why is the pickaxe the only weapon with actual combos

[hollow ibex]

yeah rashad works well

[hollow ibex]

plenty of weapons with actual combos, it's just that vet's strongest weapons don't have them lol

[sharp epoch]

seems like investigator subtree for arbites might replace vets role

[unreal nova]

Funni crack open shellfish build. Except is bad shellfish.

[hoary marsh]

Dueling sword is great. Nothing wrong with it. Typically though for more kinda optimization, I run chainsword, power sword or TAxe/Combat Axe. Those i would say are the most versatile for me.

[hollow ibex]

DS is still best on builds where you're using your ranged weapon for horde clear

in other words, typically not vet lol

[void dragon]

gunker already did this, but now arbites will do better, with dog included

[unreal nova]

What did you expect of pay2win ontop of the fact vet could use some buffing in comparison to the other classes?

[vapid thunder]

seems like the build i sent uses ranged for everything

[hollow ibex]

yes... and that's a problem

[void dragon]

more than buffing, vet needs a new identity, used to be the CoD class, but is not enough as a gimmick

[vapid thunder]

gunker and gunlugger already did this

[void dragon]

not even gunlugger, give ogryn a Hstubber and by virtue of tall he is better

[unreal nova]

Vet being ammo dispenser with mini turret is growing ever more real.

[sharp epoch]

gunker and gunlugger are less elite/special focus they just dump ranged damage on everything

[vapid thunder]

why, lasgun vet gives infinite ammo

[vapid thunder]

tell that to my hstubber snipergryn

[hollow ibex]

it's not even necessarily an ammo issue, though that's often a problem too. the issue is that it's just inefficient to shoot everything

you'll end up with half the damage of the ogryn

faster to take a good melee, and only use your gun when you actually need it

[sharp epoch]

snipergryn really works without even any ranged talents it one taps gunners on h40

h stubber is just really busted rn

[hollow ibex]

with crit?

i'm assuming achlys

[sharp epoch]

headshot probably woth crit but its surgical so its almost always crits

[hollow ibex]

makes sense

[hoary marsh]

Not really at all. People keep saying that though.

[sharp epoch]

meanwhile vets gotta like grab every ranged damage node, crit and use ability to reach gunner one tap breakpoint

[void dragon]

funny how recon las is keeping up with ok-ish damage more due fire damage than its own, other lasguns cant sustain the damage needed to compeete because the weapon performs ok, but never great

[sharp epoch]

I mean they literally said the subtree is for elite/specials killing which vets main role is rn, and we don't even have a subtree dedicated to that its just random talents like confirmed kill or the special kill ability refresh one

[hoary marsh]

They also said that tree contains most of the buffs for the dog. Another class being able to eliminate specials and elites doesnt suddenly make Vet worthless. Vet approach to it is very different. But every class can effectively take out specials, so saying the Arbites is going to make Vet worthless is simply not true.

I don't even use confirmed kill and have easy time taking out specials and elites. There's enough of them to go around.

[void dragon]

issue is: veteran approachs specialist elimination the ole fashioned way: clicking heads...isue is that other classes have cooler, more easy and still effective ways to do it... ON TOP of also being able to click heads

ogryn: tall and powerful gun to tap quickly enemies
psyker: high weakspot damage and assail auto stagger/kill

[sharp epoch]

hstubber on ogryn is also just better than every other vet choice, no ranged talents and still reaches one tap breakpoints on ranged elites and specialist like what

[void dragon]

and soon Arbites: dog

[sleek garden]

im cooked

i did horrible in this auric maelstrom

[void dragon]

hi cooked, me ogryn

[sleek garden]

it took me like 16 shots to kill a single fire bomber

it takes like 3 bodyshots or 1 headshot

i was missing everything today

[void dragon]

me one day: clicking heads left and right, other days: must play melee because i cant hit the broad side of the mourningstar to save me life

shit happens like that

will be better next time after a rest

[vapid thunder]

praying for hstubber on arb so he can mog vet even harder

[sharp epoch]

i dunno its as big as a regular human maybe bigger

[vapid thunder]

he uses it in tabletop

and in rogue trader

[hoary marsh]

Ogryn H stubber is different than normal H stubber.

[vapid thunder]

ah thats a shame

[sharp epoch]

arbites gets that shotgun i wonder what the second unique ranged is

[hoary marsh]

Ogryn is a twin linked heavy stubber . So 2 barrels. Arbites us the normal single barrel one.

[vapid thunder]

thats the twink

he also has single barrel hstubber

[unreal nova]

Oggy has both. The single is the anti-specialist one.

Oggy literally needs 0 talents and just it to do vet cherrypicked tree things.

[tall torrent]

(It does need ranged talents)

Achlys heavy stubber is atrociously fucked in breakpoints

[sharp epoch]

huh I literally run just all melee talents and one tap all the specials in the head and gunners

[tall torrent]

1393 maniac in 1 headshot

[open ravine]

I hope vet gets yet another rework later this year because they are a bit of a boring class at the moment

[clever hedge]

Arbites is bringing shotgun buffs let's gooooooo

[sharp epoch]

isnt that enough to kill all maniac specials except mutie?

[tall torrent]

Flamer is 1400 health

[hollow ibex]

this year.

[tall torrent]

[hollow ibex]

more like in 2030 bro

[sharp epoch]

lemem test

[unreal nova]

Well, it still 1 shots gunners.

[clever hedge]

Shotgun vet is gonna make a comeback

[unreal nova]

Right?

[sharp epoch]

i swear I kill both flamers in the head in one shot without 25% maniac perk

[tall torrent]

I hope u love crit gambling

[sharp epoch]

its not gambling with surgical

[clever hedge]

Gamble nation

[tall torrent]

It still is

U just have better odds

Still is gambling with crit

[hollow ibex]

true surgical is basically like gacha

the more pulls (surgical stacks) you have, the higher the chance of getting the desired outcome

once you've done a certain amount of pulls

the pity mechanic kicks in

and you're guaranteed an ultra rare anime waifu (a critical hit)

[tall torrent]

There’s no crit pity system in this game

[unreal nova]

Surgical is.

Hold ADS long enough, BOOM.

Full duration is 100% crit.

Do maths if you have some crit already.

[hollow ibex]

that's just hitting 100% crit

[unreal nova]

Is why I ADS for like 2 secs with my kickback, hoping crit weakspot will kill.

[serene bough]

I would like a return to a more ranged focus vet

Or at least a viable set of options for said playstyle

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[agile forge]

Headhunter is a crit pity system

[hollow ibex]

true

[agile forge]

and e-stance / marks focus is pretty fun to play with too imo

it's definitely a "hard mode" choice but it's there and it's fun

[tropic notch]

I love crit gambling

@tall torrent why doesn’t vet have dd?

[agile forge]

we have mf

similar thing but clunkier

[tropic notch]

[agile forge]

and also ranged-only and doesn't automaintain vs bosses

[tropic notch]

[hoary marsh]

Messing with a Heavy Pistol Build. Anyone got one they use so I can compare notes?

[unreal nova]

Ppl say vet needs new identity, FS: <Image of TF2 Ammo Dispenser.>

[hollow ibex]

Laspis?

[unreal nova]

Oh and an every 30 sec ubercharge.

[hoary marsh]

Yes, H Las Pistol. My bad.

[native ocean]

survivalist aura should be buffed

[unreal nova]

Go all in into the ammo dispenser.

[void dragon]

...
vet really IS the TF2 dispenser

[unreal nova]

If you say but they can shoot... ppl love glitching turrets and such to position them.

[hollow ibex]

honestly any generic WS build would work

[unreal nova]

So just put a turret on the dispenser.

[hollow ibex]

i tried a dedicated laspis ES build and kinda eh

exec stance

[hoary marsh]

Thats basically what I am doing now. Lol

Is Shock Trooper with it on the that?

[unreal nova]

Plus born leader just restores toughness to ppl near when the vet gets toughness...

So.......

[hollow ibex]

yeah i think ST isn't a bad take on laspis

esp if you do a lot of shooting

laspis isn't as ammo efficient as recon

or ilas

[unreal nova]

When we get a teleport loner off the map ability?

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I was thinking of adding it in, I noticed that its Ammo seems to go faster.

[faint beacon]

It would be so fucking over but hilarious If they made ST effect non las weapons also

Behold the balancing nightmare

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think there should be a node like that

[void dragon]

question: how good is the recon damage without infernus? is the weapon category stagnant because its damage without fire is lackluster?

[hollow ibex]

except headshot based or something

or weakspot kill based

vet deserves a viable ranged only build besides las weapons

[faint beacon]

No fuck you

[void dragon]

besides recon you mean

[faint beacon]

Las weapons only

[hollow ibex]

i wouldn't play it often, but psyker shouldn't be the only ranged class in the game lol

[unreal nova]

Inf ammo revolver. No need to reload even.

[stuck tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205760412507840572/1367194648019472474/shark-118.gif

[faint beacon]

Oh look it’s me

[vapid thunder]

keystone

[stuck tree]

get ert my screen

[vapid thunder]

like blo

[faint beacon]

Anyways you guys are looking at the obvious ones

But clearly the real winner

Is the vigilant autos

[void dragon]

click heads in the middle of the chargin horde or die

the astra militarum experience

[hollow ibex]

yeah could be good, baked into a reworked MMF

as a subnode or a weaker version in the base node

[faint beacon]

I’d rather they slightly mold the ranged identity to be a

Reward for precision type

[unreal nova]

I double down on recons. On weakspot and on crits no ammo used?

[faint beacon]

Aka more focuses on getting a big pat on the back for hitting weak spots

[unreal nova]

Does it restore ammo for inf las and heavy laspistol?

[vapid thunder]

^^ mmf should be more elite/special focused

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[faint beacon]

I think it shouldn’t be and just be more all or nothing on hitting Weakspots

Miss a Weakspot lose 1 stack

Hit or Killing might need to be changed on how many you get

But completely scrap the idea behind you move an inch

10 goes to 0

With how fast paced DT is you just never get the most value out of it vs WS and FT

[unreal nova]

Probably slow decay after x time maybe.

[faint beacon]

No

Straight up no more decay

You miss weakspots at all

You lose a stack

[quiet valley]

Decimator but for chained Headshots

Give me

[faint beacon]

Basically

Except it doesn’t decay statically

Only if you miss

[unreal nova]

Don't you lose ALL stacks if you miss?

[faint beacon]

So If you consistently miss you get trolled

[faint beacon]

Deci does that yes but I’m saying

Miss Weakspot

Lose 1 stack

So it rewards staying on target and hitting heads

[quiet valley]

I’ll take anything to fix MMF

[unreal nova]

Just recon to face. You'll likely net positive.

[faint beacon]

Yeah till it drops dead and you’re still firing

Woe all your stacks vanish

[grand perch]

i dunno, with hit reg being a mess this wouldnt be too popular

[unreal nova]

And fill again next target.

[faint beacon]

So it’ll train veterans trigger discipline

[unreal nova]

Also that.

You have 100 ping, you can feel it already.

[faint beacon]

Why I’m thinking they should have a keystone give you stacks from melee weakspots

But the Keystone itself buffs your gun

[unreal nova]

300 is me questioning why I'm on sniping duty.

[hoary marsh]

Feel free to critique, running Accatran H Pistol with Flak and Maniac with Ghost and Infernus. Shock Maul with Carapace and Maniac, with High Voltage and Skull Crusher.

[grand perch]

imagine if it gave a guaranteed crit with 100% rending for every weakspot hit on the next shot

[unreal nova]

I shot the hed 5 times, guy still alive shooting at me.

[faint beacon]

Brain dead overpowered

Me no likey

[grand perch]

its like the ogryn rework but for MMF

[faint beacon]

I’d rather play Arbites over Ogryn

Especially if they manage to avoid nerfs

Arbites Staggerclaw vs Zealot Staggerclaw

[unreal nova]

Does it matter if Arbites ends up pay2win lvls of OP?

[faint beacon]

Yeah honestly

It’d be really bad if it ends up being more busted than Ogryn

[quiet valley]

If you really want to keep Kraks, you will get similar ammo efficiency from taking Shocktrooper not pathing to Survivalist aura, gives you extra points (Non Havoc matches only)

[faint beacon]

But from what I’ve been hearing so far they’ve managed to avoid Ogryn 2

[unreal nova]

I kinda feel they will be oggy lvls of OP or second place.

[hoary marsh]

Really? So I can drop survivalist? Would be nice to not have to worry about it.

[unreal nova]

Unless they unnerf psyker so arbites is third.

[faint beacon]

From what I’ve been hearing from PTers

[quiet valley]

Yeah anything Auric and under Shocktrooper should be more than enough ammo

[faint beacon]

It’s probably comfortably in the middle

[tall torrent]

Nah arbites looks like top 3-4

[faint beacon]

It’s not Psyker or Ogryn levels

[unreal nova]

From what I've heard, op, but not like oggy.

[faint beacon]

But it’ll be a solid class

[quiet valley]

Vet still 5th worst class

Let’s go

[unreal nova]

So second place.

[faint beacon]

Top 5 class

Thank you very much

[quiet valley]

Only outside Havoc

[vapid thunder]

hm

[hoary marsh]

So instead of survalist would you suggest fire team or Close and kill? Kinda feeling close and kill.

[faint beacon]

Catch my ass playing Arbites in Havoc though

[tall torrent]

Fire team

[unreal nova]

Havoc, you gib ammo and yellow toughness. Maybe shoot annoying thing to restore team toughness.

[quiet valley]

Fireteam is the best pathing, gives you extra points to spend

[quiet valley]

I will use Exec stance in H40, no more VoC slaving

[cloud leaf]

vet is still best class by far

[faint beacon]

Illusion of choice

Veteran edition

[quiet valley]

Illusion of choice

[hoary marsh]

Covering Fire or Grenadier then really. Grenedier doesnt really make the Krak much better except against Monsters which might be worth it. Covering Fire isnt that great if I remember correctly.

[quiet valley]

Grenadier 100%

Covering Fire is garbo

[unreal nova]

Grenadier.

Emergency throw krak in mixed hordes work as well.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I normally didnt take Grenadier since it reached break points on Crushers stock anyways. But after seeing the damage be much less against monsters I kinda missed it.

[unreal forge]

because EVERYONE picks those talents in EVERY build and not doing so is trolling

[faint beacon]

Covering fire seems good on paper but it’s just

So bad

It needs a lot of changes

Like path has said there’s a lot of bait talents on Vets tree

[hoary marsh]

Like competitive urge. Is that in reality any good?

[quiet valley]

What I would pick for your tree with your weapons, just off the cuff

[quiet valley]

It’s actually decent in High Havoc

[unreal nova]

No. The chance is so low and it'll proc so randomly it's pointless.

[unreal forge]

I doubt there's any world where competitive urge will make a difference in a fight

[timid jay]

hey guys im pretty new to the veteran but i love the ranged gameplay. is there a build that i can look into for the end game of somewhat.

just reached 30 after about 15 ish hours right now

[quiet valley]

It’s fairly high uptime and shines on weapons that do multiple hits, Braced Autos, IAGs, Recons

[unreal nova]

If you get lucky.

[unreal forge]

builds depend entirely on your weapons of choice

some weapons shine with specific talents and such

[unreal nova]

2.5% is still 2.5%.

[timid jay]

oh didnt realise that. well i dont have much in terms of weapons now ive been using this bolt pistol which is neat. guess i should get more weapons then

[faint beacon]

Imo it could use a % of happening increase

I barely ever notice it proccing the moment I experiment with it

[quiet valley]

I agree but is a global trigger with decent duration, def not a dead node just a niche one

[faint beacon]

Yeah its niche

why I dont usually pick it

[unreal nova]

Still generally not worth it.

[faint beacon]

I'd rather have static Rending or Boss damage

[unreal nova]

You are taxed too much already.

[faint beacon]

Again

its why im screaming from the hills the smallest they could do

is condense the tree operative modifiers

(+15 toughness, 5% crit, etc)

[hoary marsh]

Sweet thanks. Ill give it a try, never really messed with the Marskmen node, but given how I use Voice of Command I can see the benefit to it.

[unreal nova]

Just have them be baseline.

Effing vet has only 5 toughness more than psyker with same curios.

[tall torrent]

We all wish it was better

Is the best way to describe it

[quiet valley]

Meta Slaves will tell your to run Plasma with Dueling Sword or Powersword, but you can run pretty much any weapon to endgame except Combat Shotguns, Braced Autos, and Auto Pistol

[unreal nova]

And like less hp.

[narrow frost]

What

[quiet valley]

Don’t tell this poor guy to run combat shotguns

[narrow frost]

I outdamages 2 meta ogryns and zealot with my taxes agri combat last night

The agri is very fun and great

[unreal nova]

Depends on skill lvl. You don't want randoms with SAP.

[narrow frost]

Counter to bulwarks and easy 1 taps on elites and specials with the slug

[faint beacon]

I'll admit the weaker weapons

you just need to invest time into

its why im managing to do well with Vigilants in H40

[faint beacon]

and hell even Taxe but Taxe is slept on

[narrow frost]

It was red orange

[faint beacon]

Ainz pull up the botched H40 Purple + Heinous match

Agri 9 Taxe 4 and I managed to do 1 Mil

[narrow frost]

1 min

[unreal nova]

If it's like Ainz or Ham... they know better so they can really do whatever.

[quiet valley]

Yeah you can clear any content with any weapon if you try hard enough, but I wouldn’t subject new players to some of the harder weapons to run.

[slow spade]

I would

they deserve it

[narrow frost]

But it's a video game and some people would perform with "less meta" weapons

[glacial ferry]

agrip shotty isn't even that hard

[narrow frost]

Hi apple

It's very fun

[glacial ferry]

howdy

[narrow frost]

Egg begged me to join last night

But I had plans

[glacial ferry]

it's probably the best sniper in the game

we had lots of fun with purple 🙂

[faint beacon]

Its not great damage wise but its stagger is

[hoary marsh]

All these different builds I try, and Still the Vraks Autogun just always seems better.

[faint beacon]

fucking hilarious

[quiet valley]

Helbore IV?

[glacial ferry]

agrip shotty can hit oneshot bps on crushers in h40

and it oneshots everything else

[quiet valley]

Show tree? Exec stance MMF?

[glacial ferry]

ye mmf exe

[quiet valley]

MMF

[unreal nova]

Why, meta is fine. Not everyone has the skills to compensate for how meh or bad some weapons are.

[vapid thunder]

so investigator powercreeps veteran and castrator powercreeps zealot

[quiet valley]

look at the post under that

[unreal nova]

The two classes that need rework/buff.

[narrow frost]

@glacial ferry what's your braced build?

Tempted to run that for our challenge run later today

We are doing 4 vets all smokes

[unreal nova]

Some ppl just find it funny to do that. Some prefer a challenge.

[faint beacon]

Evil fucked up build

[glacial ferry]

I do this ig

[narrow frost]

I know it is

Hmmmm

[grand perch]

what in tarnation

[narrow frost]

Looks interesting

I might take revive shout

[faint beacon]

@grand perch Look im just saying you should do Hamdols Taxe build for H40

[narrow frost]

For the challenge vid

[narrow frost]

Thanks man

[grand perch]

without macroing im not sure

[narrow frost]

It's not much without the macro

No need to run it

A normal taxe build works

[old prism]

Don't run it without macro

Actually, don't run it with macro either

I already reported it should be gone

[hollow ibex]

can someone post the clip of what it looks like with macros?

[narrow frost]

Think of lawnmower

Light speed taxe

[hollow ibex]

That's why I want to see a clip!

[narrow frost]

It's up to ham to show or not

[sonic kayak]

However you think it is, it's worse, dw

[tame lodge]

Where's your precision strikes

[hollow ibex]

fucking wonderful

[sonic kayak]

Worse as in disgusting, not bad

[hollow ibex]

first game of the day

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-is-she-alright-revenge-of-the-sith-is-she-doing-alright-gif-19285596

[hollow ibex]

and already got a rumblergryn cunt in it

i feel like people have caught on

that rumblergryn is fucking busted

[stuck tree]

daddy

[hollow ibex]

so i see it ALL the time now

[feral jetty]

is it

I haven't touched point blank ogryn in forever

I felt like an asshole hoovering up all the ammo lmao

[hollow ibex]

30 seconds in

[feral jetty]

hood classic

also I have a weird question

is it lame to use plasma gun, I used it a lot and I feel like I should branch out lmao

months and months ago

[narrow frost]

Do whatever you want

It's a video game

If the gun doesn't click anymore then don't use

Shrimple as

[feral jetty]

I just know I saw a lot of anti plasma talk forever ago

[sonic kayak]

People don't like that it runs out of ammo because they shoot hordes with it

[feral jetty]

yeah lol

[sonic kayak]

Plasma is extremely satisfying to me

Nailing the gunner through his friends and cover is a massive middle finger to the heretic filth they are

[feral jetty]

real

[tropic notch]

Can you do chain axe?

I wanna see dat

[vapid thunder]

wow havoc gives 0 xp

[tropic notch]

Yarp

It’s purely a boast

I wish they would buff the chaxe

I love the mk 4

Guh

[vapid thunder]

society if chaxe and eviscerator werent useless

[grand perch]

dont dismiss the chaxe, youll wake ol papa willy and he needs his sleep at his age

[tame lodge]

Evis15 isn't useless

We don't

We don't talk about evis3

[tropic notch]

Mk15 with perfect strike is cool

How does perfect strike effect the cleave cap?

Is it still only 4?

Does scourge get applied?

[hot bramble]

What are the meta perks and blessings for the plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Scourge gets applied to only damaged enemies

[tame lodge]

Heh, was looking for it

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[hot bramble]

ty

[vapid thunder]

blue weapon from havoc 😭

what does cranial corruption modifier do

[tropic notch]

Ass

Actually ass

[vapid thunder]

does the explosion hurt other heretics

[tropic notch]

Actually not as bad as before

But I hate it

Suppression and stun immunity

Book doesn’t effect them

[vapid thunder]

so it’s just a rager amplifier

[tropic notch]

It’s like the one modifier that I’d take bubble on

[unreal nova]

And if you shoot them in the hed... You might kill someone by knocking them off the map.

[tropic notch]

Happened to me yesterday

[unreal nova]

If I am thinking about the right one.

[tropic notch]

Havoc pubs make destiny 2 lfg players look like Einstein

[unreal nova]

Cranial pus skin worst combo for vet.

[grand perch]

now that its only cranial i really enjoy that modifier

if they bring back pus hardened ill riot

[unreal nova]

You can't shoot heads, but then shooting body shots for like 10% damage...

But wait, it's a rager... 1% damage cos cara.

[normal bay]

Anyone had an issue with pulling grenades out in a mission?

[warm schooner]

tbf I think destiny 2 has a much lower skill ceiling

[gritty mural]

I get temu true survivor vets with VOC that strays from the group and dies in havoc lfgs

[sudden cedar]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

Or sometimes it comes with a sledgehammer and mashes your face in.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-ahh-dog-gif-4024709941344493127

[uncut pebble]

The darkest dungeon announcer is great.

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[tropic notch]

Ok my zealot kinda solos though

[gritty mural]

ok but you're kinda chill so you're good

[vapid thunder]

when do i get this

[gritty mural]

monday

then you gotta do this again for 19 more weeks and you'll get the cool green insignia

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/iamrigbycat-gif-17122096475275233787

[stuck tree]

soon

[junior oak]

I swear every time I open this chat there's a cat gif lmao

[narrow frost]

Finished the run

4 vets all smokes

no piss toughess (besides 1 who also had revive)

also no rending

Hsword and Taxes

"you need rending for havoc"

"Hsword/Taxe can't deal with carapace"

[uncut pebble]

How long did it take?

[narrow frost]

hour and 2 min

[uncut pebble]

And what was the director doing with the elite spawns?

[narrow frost]

we got a mix of everything

mostly scab though

[uncut pebble]

Haven't been in a h40 where it's not constantly shitting out carapace.

[narrow frost]

uploading it now

might post it today

we'll see

[uncut pebble]

Go up the elevator on that one hourglass map and the entire area from the medicae to the spawn door is ogryns shoulder to shoulder.

[warm schooner]

15 deaths goddamn

[narrow frost]

it was mostly resets

it was only 4 normal deaths

and 11 resets

[warm schooner]

makes sense

dunno with a good enough team you can make a lot of things work, pugging with people who maybe aren't flexible enough to play off each other well leans into certain solutions more

[narrow frost]

yes

[warm schooner]

but I definitely need to try hsword more

[plain osprey]

Fucking Glitchtide/Laggtide

[narrow frost]

hmm?

[plain osprey]

If they gave the catachan Devils claw more armor pen it would be my go to. Love that thing. Fast, decent movespeed, agile, good cleave, and i love the parry button (parried an overhead crusher blow today and decapitated the carapace wearing asshole)

[void dragon]

You used that mk6 Hsword? Have been trying it and the mk9 completely horizontal heavy just cut hordes like butter

[void dragon]

You can parry the overhead? Do you need full stamina for it?

[grand perch]

not if you perfect time it

iirc takes max 2 stamina

[void dragon]

Really? Now I have to add it on my onslaught recon lasgun build, time to become Sekiro in 40k

[tall torrent]

Perfect block with DC swords’ special action costs at most 2 stamina

Unfortunately DC swords overall mid at best

[void dragon]

If only some had some unique traits like immensely low sprint stamina cost

[tall torrent]

Nah

Their problem is damage

[void dragon]

Of the DC? Yeah, but it would be nice to not sprint and run out of stamina all the time before a fight

[tall torrent]

But like, a lot of weapons are lacking in damage

DC swords just lack damage more

[void dragon]

How much? 10%?

[tall torrent]

Depends on what your standard of “balanced melee” is

As far as I’m concerned all melee weapons either overperform or underperform

[void dragon]

What if for all it's ups and downs, between the power sword and the Rashad axe would be "balance"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

Flak damage so ass

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[true jackal]

like if it can't deal with armorer/heavier targets well it needs to carve through hordes and it's damage is too low to do that

[void dragon]

Also, when does Path changed name? And why it sounds so heretical to me?

[severe jolt]

I dunno mates, I've been running the dclaw on zealot and at full martyrdom stacks the thing is pretty vicious

[tall torrent]

Tbh
With axes I think they needs fundamental changes to cleave

[true jackal]

can't really judge a weapon by it's preformance when fully cranked to the max by a class, zealot is doing the heavy lifting here

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[tall torrent]

Until they get better cleave and BM gets nerfed I don’t think they can be put into a “balanced weapon” slot

They’re too good when they have BM breakpoints and unplayable when they don’t

[true jackal]

bypassing a game mechanic through a blessing surely couldn't have any consequences

[faint beacon]

@grand perch So what did we learn from that run

Taxe is Havoc Viable

LMAO

[void dragon]

True, reason why I didn't use it as metric but as interpolation point with PSword

[tall torrent]

It goes straight from peak performance to abysmal dogshit

It’s crazy

[grand perch]

taxe is new havoc meta

[faint beacon]

Rodin Karnak Truth Nuke image

[warm schooner]

too much left click meta

laspistol is already wrecking me

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately idk if FatShark wants axes to not be “hit 1 guy”

[grand perch]

for ranged use autofire mod