veteran-class

[steep flower]

Yeah its a melee hit

[sleek garden]

I parry your leg and somehow slice your head off

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-weapons-team-imperial-guard-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-gif-15592890

when we gettin this btw

[steep flower]

Its not a phase dad! I swear!

[sleek garden]

People won't even do this in helldivers

[steep flower]

If only…

Maybe one day vet gets an lmg like gunners have

One can dream

[tame lodge]

Normal human kick
Pushes ogryn

[sleek garden]

I'd give up the helbores for a single mark of the snipers ultra lasgun

[tame lodge]

💀

[steep flower]

Yeah that does not make sense at all

[sleek garden]

that sniper blast and the dust kick up around it is just perfect

[sleek garden]

What is longlas

the model looks exactly like a recolored kantrael with the wire stock

[sonic kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1383075332281602068/longlas.png?ex=684d78c7&is=684c2747&hm=d5f8c4595e0923d4ba3583c9b523c9005b2e76e88cd4dbe34b52f23759ddc065&

[sleek garden]

With a scope

[sonic kayak]

In the grim dark future, we still use the Bofors

[sleek garden]

Wrong gif

[tame lodge]

It's a laser gun the long way

[sleek garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pbj-long-way-looong-waay-peanut-butter-jelly-gif-14766403651246207578

[west latch]

I KNOWWW! It's even in the left tree's artwork 😔

[unreal nova]

Concept art always lies.

[west latch]

Still goes hard though

Oh nvm no embed perms

[uncut pebble]

My stupid ass would have missed and just splatted the pb side on the counter.

[nimble wadi]

I would fuckin destroy this

[nimble wadi]

Hi Frogcast ily

[frank basin]

Hello dagon, haven’t seen you while

[sleek garden]

It's my dragon but I am just a person

[frank basin]

Dagon

[sleek garden]

Hi person

[frank basin]

[grand perch]

are you sure? your timezone indicates theres a possiblity you might be from florida

[sleek garden]

I lived in Florida does this make me subhuman

[grand perch]

it would make you florida man

[sleek garden]

I definitely do not share the politics of the old people there

[sleek garden]

I'm in Georgia now though there's no Georgia men

[grand perch]

person status acquired

[unreal nova]

Thing is, you need to do weird things to get on the news for that title.

[tropic halo]

Veteran be looking at this

[signal zinc]

Plasma and boltgun vets gluing themselves to Arbites with this one

[grand perch]

give the impact explosion to KRAKS i beg you

[tropic halo]

Vets now will have to swap and play arbites until tree overhaul

[vapid thunder]

arb base ability is just voice of command, again

[grand perch]

not really? sounds like it does something different

[tropic halo]

but no piss toughness which sounds better already

[grand perch]

“I really like the shock mine. It allows you to sort of pre-emptively strike, which I think is really cool. I also really like the Nuncio-Aquila; it allows you to ‘place’ a buff and then you can move in and out of it and you can be tactical about where you place it. - Victor

so its not at all like voc

[tropic halo]

Instead of toughness representment sounds like is gonna be damage boost

[grand perch]

you place an area somewhere

[stuck tree]

Double life

[grand perch]

they didnt care who i was until i put on the arbites helmet

[unreal forge]

Canine Morale: Killing enemies Pounced by your Cyber Mastiff grants Toughness and Toughness Damage Reduction to Allies in Coherency.
okay but why would I shoot the enemy that my K9 has pinned down and is in the process of killing?!

[tropic halo]

Oh wait, you need to aim with the speaker? I did not read it too well at first

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-despicable-me-4-what-gru-gif-4340149986637290609

[tall torrent]

this kinda irrelevant unless it's a really large bonus

[unreal forge]

Part of the Squad is the obvious choice ngl

[tall torrent]

nah

the obvious choice is breaking dissent

[unreal forge]

unless breaking dissident hits important breakpoints but auras don't tend to

[tall torrent]

u just get ogryn's hard knocks

but aura, and doesn't only buff melee dmg

easiest choice in the tree

[unreal forge]

the reload buff one is pretty funny

[vapid thunder]

reload buff must mean arb has a high reload time weapon

hstubber arb confirmed

[unreal forge]

it's over

[dry cloak]

castigator stance with the shotgun is gonna be the best

[tall torrent]

Target the Weak: Enemies staggered by your Melee Attacks take more damage from Melee.
Breaking Dissent: This Coherency Aura increases the damage dealt by you and Allies in Coherency against enemies that are currently Staggered.

easiest combination

[elder vessel]

Where keystone fattyshark

[delicate rivet]

If Fatshark doesnt make the Arbites channel soon, im just gonna use the vet channel to discuss the cops

[unreal forge]

break the line is on a very short cooldown
I AM A BLOODY BATTERING RAM!!!!!!!!!!

that's my go-to, I don't care how obviously better the other ones will be

[dry cloak]

they still have a week to give us that

[tall torrent]

BTL might be on a 15s or 20s CD

current shortest is 30s

[unreal forge]

spamming foot knight's charge on a 16 second cooldown is my favorite aspect of VT2

[dry cloak]

or 24 secs

still would be the shortest

[unreal forge]

God please 20 sec maximum

any more than that and I'll be upset

[tall torrent]

remote detonation and shock mine seem best for blitz

[tropic halo]

Foot knight bash with remote detonation combo sounds a fun combo

Impact grenade also sounds really good

[elder vessel]

remote feels like fun

[delicate rivet]

Im gonna enjoy the vox skill so much

[elder vessel]

real brain stimulation

[tropic halo]

Shock mine though out of three is the most unique and can come out useful

[tall torrent]

no u just double ping an enemy and then press G when ur dog attacks

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/nadr-dance-nadrdance-speaker-party-gif-12958857

[tall torrent]

it's literally the same gameplay loop as veteran's focus target

[tropic halo]

Arbites pulling out a comically large vox speaker

[tame lodge]

That patrol looks juicy

[elder vessel]

More interesting than toss krak at bulwark

[tall torrent]

krak status is in the gutter

[elder vessel]

vermintide patrols "ok lads let's keep it quiet and wait for them to pass by"

Darktide patrols:

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[sleek garden]

but the dog bomb is an emp

Krak still kraks stuff

[hasty grove]

Do you ever do anything besides complain my friend?

[unreal forge]

what gameplay loop

[tall torrent]

but I don't only complain?

[unreal forge]

focus target is just veteran gameplay with or without lol

[hasty grove]

Seems like it

[unreal forge]

especially with autotag

[tall torrent]

read above ig

[elder vessel]

Tag special kill special is just something people should be doing irregardless of dog or FT

[delicate rivet]

Just based on reading it doesnt seem like it would be an OP class

[tall torrent]

I'm currently thinking of how to abbreviate the dog explosion blitz

[tame lodge]

That's what happens when you join late into the community

Anyways welcome

Have fun

[tame lodge]

D.E.B

Heh

[delicate rivet]

Need to get my hands on it

[tame lodge]

Dab

[strange crow]

Bro decided to pick a fight with one of the most knowledgeable community members 😭

[elder vessel]

K9C4

[unreal forge]

depends on the numbers... it's always the numbers... doesn't matter how it reads

[unreal forge]

winner

[delicate rivet]

True

[tame lodge]

An entire subclass for shotguns

[hasty grove]

I’m not really picking a fight, just making an observation

Also I don’t care if he’s knowledgeable or not

[tame lodge]

Who's up not getting ammo

🗣️

[elder vessel]

So peak

[hollow ibex]

wonder how the stagger focus is gonna fair for havoc lol

[hasty grove]

What miniature is your pfp?

[tall torrent]

diff flavor of support compared to zealot

[hasty grove]

It looks awesome and I want one

[hollow ibex]

isn't shit in havoc much more stagger resistant?

[elder vessel]

Bretonnia Questing Paladin

[hasty grove]

BRETONNIA RISE UP!!!

[tame lodge]

More like
Slightly more

[tall torrent]

yes but no
the code is there but not applied
so havoc currently has the exact same stagger breakpoints as base game

[tame lodge]

💀

[elder vessel]

BRETONNIA SWEEP

[tame lodge]

So that's why they removed cranial
So it wouldn't counter Arbites

[tall torrent]

maybe they tested the increased stagger thresholds then realized having a grand total of 4 weapons capable of breaking rager combo is not that fun

[tame lodge]

[hasty grove]

That’s beautiful, I’ll add him to my list of miniatures to buy

[strange crow]

Me if I were the Empire but less cool:

[vapid thunder]

cutthroat is cadia only? the more you know

[strange crow]

Loose cannon 💪

[elder vessel]

LOOSE CANNON GANG

[tall torrent]

I'm curious on how they plan to address shotguns' ammo efficiency problem

[elder vessel]

Probably giving it more ammo

[hasty grove]

Either giving it alot of ammo or making each slug deal a gajillion damage

Like how the boltors don’t have alot of ammo but they… y’know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[elder vessel]

The modding discord is still impossible to impress

[charred pulsar]

Hopefully

[hasty grove]

Most videogame modders are either gooners or insufferable elitists in my experience

[tall torrent]

nah they all need pretty substantial dmg consistency buffs

[hasty grove]

Im assuming the Arbite’s shotgun is unique to them so it has a different stat sheet than the others

[tall torrent]

arbites shotgun is unique to arbites

[strange crow]

Vet left in the gutter again 😔

[tall torrent]

hipfire/braced fire
special shot shoots an electric blast

[strange crow]

If they only make arbiters shotgun good

[hasty grove]

Fr

[delicate rivet]

YO what was that?!

[tame lodge]

They made Arby's shotgun so good
They are buffing the combat ones to keep up

[hasty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-bolter-warhammer40k-space-marine-warhammer40000-adeptus-astartes-gif-22320694

[faint beacon]

Veteran will get changes in 2032 with the new weapon they promised this year

Trust

[dry cloak]

Its gonna be it must be good

[delicate rivet]

Gawd damn the bolter is sic

[strange crow]

Wait fr?

[elder vessel]

Grail Knights could block bolter shots im just saying

[elder vessel]

SPEAR

[tall torrent]

yea

[hasty grove]

And it looks really funny when a short character holds it

[elder vessel]

the 5'9 experience

[delicate rivet]

Now thats a BIG gun on hip

[tame lodge]

Fr fr

[vapid thunder]

how old is kx

[hasty grove]

Poor guy upon hip firing once

https://tenor.com/view/buh-gif-14465458220549268962

[tall torrent]

older than hadron

[hasty grove]

I could take KX

[elder vessel]

Hadron Mentioned

Somebody get swagger

[hasty grove]

Kill swagger

KILL KILL KILL

DIE DIE DIE DIE

[elder vessel]

Live swagger
LIVE LIVE LIVE
PROSPER PROSPER PROSPER PROSPER

[hasty grove]

His mere presence in the mourningstar irritates me even tho I don’t know why I dislike him so much 😭

Hivecity trash!

[hasty grove]

Fem Ogryn reveal

[elder vessel]

3 steel legioners

[hasty grove]

Theres 4, actually

[delicate rivet]

Woah

[tall torrent]

I'm like the one guy in here who hasn't said anything abt "arbites leaving veteran in the gutter"

[sleek garden]

I'm jesting my fellow

I'm still gonna be playing veteran because I'm not paying for dlc

[hasty grove]

Just a bitah bantah

[sleek garden]

I don't care if the new class sucks as long as it's fun

And the voices are fun

[tall torrent]

I think arbites gonna be top 3~4 class

pretty good spot to be in

[hasty grove]

Meanwhile veteran dead in a ditch somewhere

[sleek garden]

that's really saying something given there's 3-4 classes right now lol

[tall torrent]

vet top 4~5

[hasty grove]

I will continue to play veteran cus I love me Guardsmen

[sleek garden]

I'm gonna keep playing infantry lasgun and I'm going to pretend they didn't give psyker an auto tracking infantry lasgun as a blitz

That has infinite ammo

[hasty grove]

And I have an attachment to my Reject, Idris

[faint beacon]

You will simply enjoy watching the Psyker and Ogryn play the game

That is your role now

[tall torrent]

ogryn and psyker are prob still the strongest
but arbites just seem like a diff flavor of zealot

[sleek garden]

I'm going to steal all their kills with this simple trick (2 frags

[unreal nova]

That was ages ago, vet is just dispenser with a miniturret glitch ontop.

[sleek garden]

I'm curious if the arbites only gets the shield

[hasty grove]

Me when I hip fire my boltor into the upcoming horde and it disappears

[sleek garden]

Will they get a devils claw

[hollow ibex]

zealot, fed with some ogryn rashuns

[hasty grove]

I just take it as a testament to my skill when I still manage to carry while playing Veteran

[sleek garden]

also I've never heard anything about arbites

Is a shot pistol a shotgun pistol or a revolver

Or is it the black ops 2 shotgun revolver

[void dragon]

is it true that they are buffing shotguns? are they also buffing the shock maul?

[tall torrent]

revolver that shoots shotgun shells

[tall torrent]

1. shotgun buff confirmed
2. shock maul buff we don't know

[void dragon]

DBshotgun about to reach Doomguy Supershotgun status

[tall torrent]

I doubt DB is getting major changes

most of the shotgun buffs should be centered on the 3 combat shotguns

[void dragon]

a lil of extra range would be nice imo, but its already the most effective, the Cshot ones do need the buff

[faint beacon]

I think it’s insane there’s 0 word of other weapons not being touched upon

[hollow ibex]

i had 0 expectations

[delicate rivet]

Excuse me? Isnt Vet the strongest class lol

[hollow ibex]

i don't think we'll see a meaningful human weapon balance pass until zealot rework at the earliest lol

[sleek garden]

duelling sword nerfs would literally hamstring 2/3rds playerbase

[void dragon]

have -1 expectation, adjust for the Obesefish standars

[hollow ibex]

yeah, maybe if you were playing the game years ago

[hasty grove]

Thats very funny

[void dragon]

man lives in a lie

[faint beacon]

Not by a longshot

[delicate rivet]

[grand perch]

used to be

we will rise again

[sleek garden]

Veteran is really good at getting rid of lots of specialists/elites/shooter before they become a problem

[delicate rivet]

Im cooked

[sleek garden]

That's what I use it for

they need to megabuff shooters again

[void dragon]

psyker with gun and bubble and assail can do it with more horde clearing power

[hollow ibex]

so true

[sleek garden]

Like when they added saint messelina's place

[hollow ibex]

i play vet because it makes the game more challenging

esp when there's ogryns/psykers

keeping up with them

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[faint beacon]

Psyker and Ogryn dog walk veteran basically

[sleek garden]

idk why they gave psyker an infantry lasgun as a blitz with infinite ammo

[hollow ibex]

make the dog a cute puppy then this would be accurate

[void dragon]

I play vet to get some cool builds like the one Path gave me, also playing zealot has been quite boring

[void dragon]

because sparkhead supremacy

[sleek garden]

When they added assail it was impossible to do anything on any other class

There's a few things veteran can do that psyker cannot

[vapid thunder]

ogryn just does veteran and zealot better for 0 effort

boring to play

[delicate rivet]

Now that WAS years ago

[void dragon]

Hopium of the day: they make a Cocker spaniel skin so i can name it after my irl dogo

[sleek garden]

They gave ogryn a better vigilant autogun and deadshot

[void dragon]

real issue is that veteran is currently the "gun guy" in a game where everyone now has gun

so now he lacks an identity to be strong

[sleek garden]

He guns precisely

[tame lodge]

Idk about the better vigi

In fact I think thats cope

[sleek garden]

I actually cannot speak on it

Because I haven't used them

I lied to invoke emotion

I use the vigilant autoguns

[delicate rivet]

But he guns better

[sleek garden]

Not the stubber

[delicate rivet]

I still miss the instant reload of old vet stance

[sleek garden]

The vigilant autos are really wacky when it comes to maniacs

the inflas clears it for that

[delicate rivet]

OP? Yeah but it kinda made sense in a Vet way

[sleek garden]

but the vigilant autos can actually punch through armor

[void dragon]

vet should feel like THE best using guns, but there is not much things that feel like that (also MMF is quite garbo for being THE gun keystone)

[unreal nova]

I mean funni oggy can do vet but better now already...

[void dragon]

indeed, size alone helps a lot on that

[ornate dirge]

Vigilant autogun op

[hollow ibex]

tfw ogryn gets an insta reload lol

[ornate dirge]

Pls nerf

[hollow ibex]

but not vet

[void dragon]

TRUE why the hay is THAT a thing?

rumbler should not reload on lucky shot btw

[delicate rivet]

Exactly…

Sigh

[sleek garden]

Bolter getting an instant reload bad

[hollow ibex]

but rumbler getting chained instareload ok

[void dragon]

at least give it 70% reload speed on next reload after skill use

or SOMETHING

[topaz lance]

Vet had insta reload; together with other things it was busted so they removed it.
I don't need it back, I like exe stance as it is

[unreal nova]

5 shots in a row funni lvls.

All free as well.

[hollow ibex]

ok gramps, lets get you to bed

[void dragon]

that with box is the pc crasher

[delicate rivet]

Ogryn dumb

[unreal nova]

Just keep rolling 15%.

[void dragon]

ogryn nerf, call Hank to get them now

[unreal nova]

Skill issue, right?

Dumb=lucky, right?

Ogre Magi thinking.

[void dragon]

Ermo, Dumber = Luckyerest

math checks out

[unreal nova]

May the Goddess of Luck take pity on your idiocy.

Which she did.

DING DING DING MFER.

[void dragon]

pitty no, she ash-tone-fish-ed

so much she give boolet

[topaz lance]

Sorry I didn't start playing after everything was overtuned, warping my expectations.

[topaz lance]

I swear if they ever nerf VoC and DS people will through a fit.

[hollow ibex]

vet was overtuned back then, then classes were kinda balanced for a bit

and now it's orgryn/psyker turn to be overtuned

[unreal nova]

Mostly because vet rn needs too many buffs if oggy is baseline standard.

[dry cloak]

yes because they got comfortable

[delicate rivet]

I for one, wants to see them nerfed

[dry cloak]

oggy needs to be kicked down a step or 2

[delicate rivet]

Not gutted, mind

Maybe a 15% nerf

[hollow ibex]

i wanted VOC nerfed at some point, but not anymore

if current ogryn / psyker are allowed to exist

then VOC is fair game

DS still deserves to be nerfed to the ground

[delicate rivet]

We need a balance patch like they did for VT2

[hollow ibex]

they did do a pass a year ago i think

but now things are even more out of whack

[uncut pebble]

Oggy isn't even "standard," he's a little too strong.

[hollow ibex]

just a bit

[uncut pebble]

But he's still the most balanced of the four classes.

[hollow ibex]

what

[topaz lance]

The mindset that current Ogryn is ok is bad, but I understand that FS kinda considers it the gold standard for some reason.

[ornate dirge]

Internally ig, but it's still externally busted

[uncut pebble]

Vet and zealout are both underpowered, psyker is overpowered, oggy is just a slight bit too strong.

[void dragon]

DS needs the nerf at the same time Chain weapons become good, we need more weapons that do good

[ornate dirge]

I think you should take your meds

[unreal nova]

Yeah, so it's nerf him and buff vet somewhat in those bad nodes, or keep him and just hard buff vet barring like 5 nodes.

[hollow ibex]

i think for the average player, ogryn is way stronger than psyker

a good player would do better with psyker tho

both are way overtuned right now

[uncut pebble]

I mean, I have a good 200 levels on each class, with 300 on zealout. I know all the meta stuff. Meta for vet and zealout pales in comparison to psyker and oggy.

[void dragon]

we agree that ogryn just needs its damage perks reduced, right?

[elder fiber]

no

[uncut pebble]

Nope, toughness generation.

[hollow ibex]

well this is true

[elder fiber]

cstrike needs to be completely gutted/removed

[uncut pebble]

Ogryn is immortal.

[void dragon]

that's more on confident strike

[ornate dirge]

Sooo have you forgotten about the zealot ult that literally turns the game off

[delicate rivet]

We didnt use to need 20 carapace patrols and 50 ragers to feel difficulty

[unreal nova]

I can literally solo heresy barely knowing the mess I made on my skill tree at lvl 31.

[ornate dirge]

Actually there's two lol

[delicate rivet]

I miss that, November of 2022

[dry cloak]

from8% to 2%

[uncut pebble]

Psyker has two blitzes that remove game mechanics, an ult that removes a game mechanics, and a talent that removes game mechanics.

Assail, smite, bubble, and EE.

Zealout has... chorus.

[unreal nova]

No think, just club.

[uncut pebble]

And chorus fucking sucks lmao.

[ornate dirge]

Shroudfield dumbass

[ornate dirge]

So does smite

[uncut pebble]

Stealth is its own ball of wax.

[ornate dirge]

It's still takeable

[uncut pebble]

Both implementations of it need to be nuked from orbit.

[hollow ibex]

if it sucks, why did fatshart nerf it last patch?

clearly op

[ornate dirge]

Doesn't mean you can ignore it for your argument

[unreal nova]

5 sec+ channel.

[uncut pebble]

I can if we are arguing meta, because neither chorus nor shroudfield are meta.

[hollow ibex]

funny for ledging bosses ig and.... ..... cricket cricket

[elder fiber]

shroudfield is in a Really Cool spot where it's both broken (for solo) and dogshit compared to chastise otherwise, I still have no idea why this game has a 2nd stealth ult besides vet's

[void dragon]

Smite Def needs a rework imo, the skill is too boring to be left untouched

[elder fiber]

kill smite

[unreal nova]

Well, you get 30% damage buff, RIGHT???

[ornate dirge]

Idk man being able to do h40 in like 15 minutes seems pretty good to me

[void dragon]

With a chain axe!!

[tame lodge]

[plain osprey]

With what would you replace it?

[narrow frost]

I don't really care for this argument but I will point out but someone was able to speedrun havoc 40 on ogryn

You dont need stealth to speedrun

[topaz lance]

Arbites will probably also be overtuned at the start.

[narrow frost]

Probably not

But who knows it is fatshark

[ornate dirge]

And you don't need talent points to clear auric but we still discuss those

[void dragon]

ObeseFish will find a way to mess things up

[tall torrent]

Unless the numbers are really overturned, arbites should be somewhere like top3-4

[elder fiber]

top 5 class

[tall torrent]

Just judging from the blog post today

On their talents

[void dragon]

Nah, veteran is top 5 class already

[elder fiber]

vet is bottom 5

and idk what to replace shroudfield with but at this point its too late anyways rip

[unreal nova]

So vet is pos 9.

Kay.

[delicate rivet]

I really think Arbites will release weaker than Vet

[uncut pebble]

Strong things aren't necessarily meta. Stealth is strong but voc and chastise are meta for vet and zealout, respectively; smite is strong (if used correctly) but meta is bb and assail; so on and so forth.

[void dragon]

Arbites feels will be a good tank alternative to ogryn

[uncut pebble]

And the argument at hand is the overall power ceiling for each class.

Meta loadouts hit that ceiling.

So, my take for vet and zeal meta being less powerful than psyker and ogryn meta still stands.

[vapid thunder]

does character height affect dog hitbox

[north nimbus]

i fear that arbites don't be all shield and tanking

[vapid thunder]

i keep getting dogs flying over my head on my short characters

[ornate dirge]

I stopped taking you seriously when you said that assail was meta

[tame lodge]

Did you know that the Castigator Stance grants you 80% DR

[uncut pebble]

This man doesn't know about the strength of gunker.

[vapid thunder]

ogryn could never

[void dragon]

Fair and also balanced

[ornate dirge]

I'm very aware, but assail was never better than psykinetics

[hollow ibex]

wait wat

[hollow ibex]

don't need poopnetics aura if your ult has 90% uptime anyway

[void dragon]

Funnily for how good gunker is, fire staff is still the meta

[tame lodge]

Yeah Quickpaw confirmed

[hollow ibex]

how long is the stance/what's the cooldown lol

[hollow ibex]

maybe he added an extra 0 by accident?

[elder fiber]

okay I'm looking at the blog post and I already wish those middle "shotgun" talents weren't in the middle lmao

[void dragon]

You can't sprint once you are in the stance

[hollow ibex]

it's going to be reverse vet

[void dragon]

So no slide dodging while running

[hollow ibex]

instead of having a bnch of mandatory shit in the middle, you have to avoid going middle as much as you can

[void dragon]

Middle is shotgun talents

[elder fiber]

so zealot tree

[tall torrent]

Pretty neat

[void dragon]

Ogryn at home

[unreal nova]

Assail would be, if you could take psykinetics with it.

[topaz lance]

Not me, I'm gonna go full terminator.

[tall torrent]

Arbites left and right seem most interesting to me

[ornate dirge]

Completely agree

[tall torrent]

I rly hope shotguns are made good with this patch

And arbites melee weapons are actually good

[hollow ibex]

yeah

i'm typically wary of shotguns and mauls lol

[tame lodge]

The reality is that all Psyker blitzes sucks but y'all not ready for this conversation

https://tenor.com/view/chad-man-chadiest-black-gif-25067424

[hollow ibex]

agreed, assail needs buffs

[tame lodge]

Unironically yes

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-robin-slap-cachetada-meme-cachetazo-gif-14588588888076113146

[gilded rock]

Quickpaw left me on read when I asked if Arbites was gonna get any ammo conservation talents so just a heads-up to probably be prepared for glugger Arbites players with no trigger discipline to harass you guys to run ammo aura

[ornate dirge]

A truth nuke has hit the dt

[gilded rock]

Assail good, smite stinky design so it sucks, BB good design but stinky numbers so sucks

[grand perch]

yall need to touch some grass

[topaz lance]

God it sucks so much to play with smit spammers on the team

[ornate dirge]

YES

MARRY ME

[unreal nova]

Don't weird Zealots, Fireteam plasma/bolter vets and gunluggers do that already?

[vapid thunder]

do you do this by ammo dumping a low ammo weapon at the beginning of the mission and going melee only

[gilded rock]

On occasion indeed

[unreal nova]

All psykers know it. It's just which is best of the three now.

[tall torrent]

Arbites: “don’t waste time on clean kills, let them bleed, let them suffer”

Veteran: “clean kills, sharpen up, all of ya”

[unreal nova]

The 95% accuracy thing? Magdump carefully into hordes and then play Zealot but worse at surviving.

[topaz lance]

Use DB, unload on hordes, then never switch to the gun again.

[narrow frost]

What.

[hollow ibex]

and don't take survivalist

[tame lodge]

Not damage wise
Not amount wise
But a life span wise

[void dragon]

you mean flying time?

[tame lodge]

2 second shard
Can't even make use of all the cleave

[void dragon]

ethereal shards should increase that imo

[tame lodge]

Nor loooong distance

[grand perch]

nah cutthroat be like "only enemies suffering should bring you joy"

[void dragon]

with warp splitting it doesnt need more cleave

[west latch]

Does Deadshot drain % stamina or is it flat value?

[void dragon]

it should increase fly time for the crystals

[unreal nova]

Not like it lasts enough to use it... lul.

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat is the one that says to go for clean kills

[west latch]

Like if I have more stamina blips, does it matter?

[void dragon]

you can use it to clear hordes effectively

but for some long attacks it needs a lil more

[grand perch]

isnt that the same voiceline even? i seem to remember it goes "clean kills, enemies suffering, nothing else should bring you joy"

[unreal nova]

I mean at least mid range.

[grand perch]

shizo cutthroat ngl

[tall torrent]

I prob misremembered smth

[nimble wadi]

How was that an actually published sentence in that book

[grand perch]

somehow, palpatine returned

[unreal nova]

Or things out of reach of EK.

[tame lodge]

It can't use the full potential of the cleave granted by splitting+EP because it disappears in 2 seconds

[void dragon]

exactly why Ethereal shards should give it more fly time instead of more cleave

[unreal nova]

Or both.

[void dragon]

no need of more with warp splitting

no joke

[unreal nova]

And then buff brain burst.

[unreal nova]

More is fine.

[void dragon]

make it so smaller enemies take less time

[gilded rock]

Assail is in a pretty good place tbh

Rework smite and buff BB and the blitzes are set

[void dragon]

yeah, we just need to make Brain burst more useful vs small fries and kill smite

[unreal nova]

Compared to the other two.

[unreal nova]

Maybe it's just to make chain pops real.

[narrow frost]

Interesting, but I don't think it needs to change at all. Maybe even a damage nerf

[gilded rock]

Nah, imo BB needs to be useful by itself and not only able to exist with EP

[unreal nova]

Every target hit after first takes less and less damage but it chains.

[gilded rock]

EP should compliment it, not be the on-switch

[void dragon]

who said something about EP? make that more wild, but the base form needs to be faster if targeting small enemies

[narrow frost]

I love EP assail in havoc

[void dragon]

big enemies is fine imo

[gilded rock]

Oops meant to also say it should stay as a priority target removal in the same comment

[tame lodge]

You take BB for Kinetic flayer and not even flayer is that good

[grand perch]

they could change smite so instead of it being a sort of over-time ability that you need to keep applying, it would be one bolt of energy jumping from one enemy to another and stunning them for a second or two. so not all of them at once continually, but jumping from target to target

[tame lodge]

15 seconds is crazy

[topaz lance]

Imagine having 2 Smykers and two shock mine arbites on the team. Snoozefest.

[gilded rock]

I've always hoped smite just got reworked into being a charge-up cone blast

[elder fiber]

just get rid of the right click on smite entirely

or realistically kill its leash distance + total enemies it can target

[spark canopy]

hmmmmmm

[plain osprey]

But i like stunlocking the entire grid 🫠

[void dragon]

Make it instead of a channel a shotgun Tesla, so you can do your UNLIMITED POOOWAAAH but you have to see the horde coming to make good use of the burst and stagger

[spark canopy]

the "Make Every Shot Count" penance (complete a heresy mission or higher with no ammo remaining and 90+% accuracy)... could i technically blast my entire load (giggity) onto a monstrosity and play the game like a toned down zealot for the rest of it?

[plain osprey]

When i play twink glugger i love smykers. Pls hold everything in place while i magdump into the defenseless blob of enemies, reducing a 20x20x20mtr cube into nothing but blood, smoke and bodyparts

[void dragon]

Kinda how you play with non survivalist weapon specialist melee veteran

DBshotgun is good because you just need to hit one pellet of the shot to count as not missing, so the natural use of the gun is good for the task

[tall torrent]

that is the plan yes

[spark canopy]

neat. just gotta find a mission that has a guaranteed boss

[tall torrent]

or just shoot shotgun into horde

it's ez

[hollow ibex]

yeah and use the double shot

[spark canopy]

da dubby? or the combat?

[hollow ibex]

you'll be out of ammo so fast

DB

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun

[spark canopy]

roger diggity dodger

do i wanna turn off my scavenger perk too...

actually nah that's just an asshole manuveur

rolling steel here i come :3

[tall torrent]

yes

otherwise it's a bit complicated

[gilded wraith]

Dev blog thoughts... I'm envious of the on-impact grenade detonation, and the choice to let the dog coherency buff stack to 8 directly counter to every other aura buff is bizarre.

[gilded rock]

Tbf it's not stacking the effect sooooort of

Just the coherency count, I would assume

[spark canopy]

fingers crossed

bruh

it didn't work

guess i gotta aim better but worse

[hoary marsh]

I mean the 8 Coherency only applies to a whole team of Arbites. I could see it being broken though. lol

[void dragon]

Wonder if 8 in coherency would make the toughness regen actually wort anything

[gilded wraith]

It just seems counter to every other team comp consideration.

[gilded rock]

I don't think it'd be broken at all

Melee enemies usually come from all directions, and being in melee disables coherency regen

[gilded wraith]

But I guess large numbers of all Arbite teams has monetary perks. Less about broken, more about counter to existing design.

[gilded rock]

It makes the in-between moments better I guess

[spark canopy]

rolling steel didn't work lol. lmao, even.

[hoary marsh]

I mean if you run full Arbites all you get is the 8 Coherency and some damage reduction. DR wont stack between them. So doing that gives up all the other classes coherency bonuses.

[spark canopy]

it was a heresy mission and i was making sure to aim my gun at all the hordes

i missed a couple of times but i guess i missed too many times

[tall torrent]

do u need help

[hoary marsh]

Zeolot and Vetern Coherency bonus are far better than stacking 8 Coherency off the dogs.

[crude star]

how much does each coherency stack add to toughness regen

[spark canopy]

nah it's just a matter of how much of an idiot i can be

preciate the offer though

i might be a bit of an idiot but i might need help with the "hit 5 enemies with a grenade without it hitting the floor" penance

though that's probably just as easy as grabbing a tauntgryn and just lobbing a frag into that area

[crude star]

i herd u can just throw it up in the air

[gilded rock]

Oh glorp they're not gonna try to push coherency talents in the tree as filler are they

[hoary marsh]

Not sure what the actual regen number is. Hard to tell with other passives that regen it. But 8 Coherency is not going to break anything. Your still gonna want other classes for their coherency bonus.

[void dragon]

I think you want to toss it a fair distance and upwards to make it so it doesn't hit the ground but explodes near them

[gilded rock]

I almost guarantee one arbites with dog aura and zealot with TDR aura by themselves is more valuable than four arbites all running dog aura

[hoary marsh]

Arbites probably gives like 30% DR, and that wont stack if you have multiple arbites, so having 4 arbites with 4 dogs is really the worse option as none of their coherency bonus will stack meanig wasted talents.

[spark canopy]

holy fuck this game likes the crash

[hoary marsh]

Arbites 30% DR with Zeolot DR and Veteran reduced Toughness Damage. Thats a pretty tanky party right there.

Assuming 30% DR from Arbites. Which is just guessing.

[spark canopy]

and ogryn, just for the fun of it

i wonder if they'll add an additional character selection set

[strange crow]

Ogryn, so one player can turn their brain off

[spark canopy]

ogryn is simply

lmb

and rumbler

shrimple as that

[strange crow]

🦐

[spark canopy]

this guy gets it

[hoary marsh]

Either way I am switching from Vet to Arbites real fast. Glad to see Shotguns might be worthwhile again.

[spark canopy]

he's the one in a krillion

error 2014? tf?

you'd think with how much effort the playerbase puts into warhammer

that fatshark would put even a fraction of that effort into keeping their servers unfucked

[gilded rock]

one in a kerillian

[uncut pebble]

It's meta for gunker lmao. Gunker takes warp unbound and dumps max scriers + max warp unbound + max dd/ep darts once it pops.

You have zero need of psykinetics aura if you've got either tranq through slaughter or crack of bone because your scriers already lasts longer than the cooldown on it.

Just say you don't know how to play gunker lol.

[hoary marsh]

I want shotguns to be good again. Maybe make my normal Lasgun as good as the Heavy Las Pistol. That would be nice. lol

[vapid thunder]

well yea duh

[spark canopy]

it felt cheap

but i did the Make The Shots Count or whatever it's called

i felt like i was borderline useless

but here you are you fucking beta

[void dragon]

Did you used weapon specialist? Why it felt weak for you?

[vapid thunder]

do i need to hit every pellet for it to count as 100% accuracy or just 1 per shot

[spark canopy]

just one pellet per shot

so you can basically ADS (the burst function) and just spray into a horde

[void dragon]

As long as you land one pellet it counts as hit

[spark canopy]

then just melee specialist

[spark canopy]

well it's a gray shotgun on heresy

[void dragon]

You technically don't need the ADS, doing the shot in a crit will clean hordes well enough, and you can have the 2 shot to down muties in a single go

[spark canopy]

now i just gotta do the shredder frag nade

[void dragon]

Ah, ok that makes sense

[spark canopy]

time to never touch ts again

(the double barrel. i hated that.)

[void dragon]

Tragic, Double barrel shotgun is one of the best horde eradication guns vet has

And one tapping mutants is funny

[hollow ibex]

With the right build, it's one of the most fun guns in the game tbh

I hated it at first though tbf

[spark canopy]

i think it's also some of the hate i have towards that penance

[void dragon]

It's an acquired taste, but once you get used to it it's hard to let go

[spark canopy]

it was a pain in the ass to do naturally

[hollow ibex]

Lol some PTSD

Fair

[void dragon]

You did it with grey gun

[spark canopy]

so i had to play like a bot

[void dragon]

So that played into it

[spark canopy]

yeah i did it with a grey gun -- and it probably is a lot of fun once it's full upped

i'm just glad to be done with it

[void dragon]

It's goated, being able to cleave and bleed a horde with each crit shot is excilarating

Maybe give it a try in a few days

[hoary marsh]

I did that penance with a Bolter.

Explosion counts as hit.

Honestly the not taking any melee damage one I found more frustrating.

[spark canopy]

i think honestly

worse than that

is this fucking hit 5 enemies without the grenade bouncing

[hoary marsh]

So limited on places you could even do it.

Not looking forward to actually taking the time to do all the classes and their penances like I did with VT2.

[blissful fractal]

I NEED IT

PLEASE FATSHARK

CAN I HAVE IT EARLY

my birthday was on Tuesday so it'd be like a present 🥺🤞🤞

whoops meant to throw this in genersl

[spark canopy]

yeah no i think i hate this penance more than the "no melee damage received" penance

the frag explodes when it wants to lmao

[hollow ibex]

you just need to chuck it from high ground, on a horde on low ground

it's nearly impossible otherwise

but on the right maps, it's super easy

[spark canopy]

it's fucking stupid is what it is

if you could actually, you know, HOLD THE GRENADE FOR THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE YOU THROW IT

LIKE, SAY,

IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKING GAME WITH GRENADES

[void dragon]

You are not grenade cheff to cook it that way sah

[spark canopy]

then maybe it would make sense and could happen naturally

no but like seriously

why the fuck can i not cook a grenade

[void dragon]

Because Obesefish

[spark canopy]

i don't care if it would mean there's a possibility of going kablooey if you held it too long

it's fucking stupid

@fatshark you fuck

[vapid thunder]

idk i think that ones pretty easy

[spark canopy]

eat a dick

[vapid thunder]

just throw it long distance into a horde

[spark canopy]

what the entire fuck do you think i've been trying lmao

it either explodes midair

OR

it hits a poxwalker

[void dragon]

Long distance fragging is the way to go

[spark canopy]

THEN touches the ground

and done diddly fucks all that progress

[void dragon]

This is what you want, but a little closer

[spark canopy]

yeah. i know.

it's just a matter.

of.

doing.

it.

[void dragon]

The sweet spot is hard to get tho

[hoary marsh]

I did it one the bridge. Def not easy to get, but after a couple hail merry tosses it can be done. You gotta test how far away it explodes on the arc. Once you got that down its easier.

[spark canopy]

i still think

we should

be able to

[hoary marsh]

But its also luck to.

[spark canopy]

cook it.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah it would make it easier. Also not really make it a challenge any more either.

Arbites grenade explodes on impact. Lol

[void dragon]

And deal more damage, from what I recall

[hoary marsh]

They do. Closer to krak grenades. Smaller radius as well b

[spark canopy]

alright so

i'm trying it out in the psykhanium

the fact that after they hit someone

they reset the timer

is fucking stupid

[hoary marsh]

Yeah its gotta be airburst.

[spark canopy]

you've gotta be fucking miles away

[dry niche]

Gotta throw it very high

[spark canopy]

i.

know.

[tame reef]

If I recall correctly the way I did mine was the mission (fuck me if I remember the name) where you have to ferry 5 batteries from train cars to a platform and then the bridge extends to extract. So I just full arc'd it to the door from the very edge of the platform

[tame lodge]

Logistratum

[tame reef]

P sure thats the one yeah

[vapid thunder]

maybe trying for on overwatch during a blackout mission was a bad idea

[narrow frost]

need help?

[vapid thunder]

nah i got work soon dont have time

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/she-was-a-fairy-cat-silly-cat-dandelion-flower-gif-9530809526257624706

[stuck tree]

z

[dry cloak]

GG

[hoary marsh]

Nice!

[vapid thunder]

lets make a marksman keystone and then make the penance reward crowdclearing instead of actually playing marksman

[spark canopy]

goodness me i fucking hated that penance

i had to play like a bitch

also the Las Pistol is surprisingly good

[dry cloak]

take infatry autogun and sprawy horde

melee kills count

[void dragon]

Congratulations, you are a grenadier now

[spark canopy]

hated every second of it, thanks

[void dragon]

I swear I'll never complete that penance, not because I can't, but because I refuse to use such garbo of a keystone

[vapid thunder]

this applies to every vet keystone penance

[spark canopy]

idk, i kinda liked the focus fire one

the krak grenade one is... well.

certainly annoying.

[vapid thunder]

just bought 48 before getting one with 60 mobility 😭

[spark canopy]

let's go gambling

[dry cloak]

damn

also remember to hit heads

and dont be afraid of mowing after headshot kills

[stiff cipher]

I tried to do it 100 times in a row couldn't do it and when I didn't mean to I hail married a grenade and got it

[tidal quail]

what stats and blessings do I get for a dueling sword, and what MK

[stiff cipher]

Mk 4 is what I use and what I see the most

[tropic notch]

On vet, riposte + uncanny , flak + unyielding, mobility dump

[stiff cipher]

Yeah that

[tidal quail]

mobility dump on the weap thats supposed to be high mob?

[stiff cipher]

Trust me it works

[hoary marsh]

Mobility stat is very small increase.

[sudden cedar]

It already has amazing mobility, improving it further does not really accomplish anything.

Diminishing returns.

[hoary marsh]

I mean its cumulative. So you can still be a marksman.

[sudden cedar]

The problem here really is that most players just want to complete it and thus go for the fastest way and as a result complain about it requiring you to crabwalk and clear hordes of trash in melee combat.

The spirit of the penance would be, have 10 stacks of marksman and continue shooting down specials and elites.

But of course, that is not how it is treated as.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah i guess I can understand it from that perspective then. I use the Vraks Autogun and Maul so much that I still feel like a marksman doing that, just popping heads with controlled bursts.

[sudden cedar]

This is not me saying the design is fantastic, it is just the way it was setup to be accomplished while failing to realize that it is not how most players would treat such a penance.

@hoary marsh Good for you for having such a point of view on it.

Saves you a lot of trouble

[hoary marsh]

I guess it did take me some time to do it still. But if people were running a more sniper build I can see how that penance would be frustrating. I hated the penance for close to kill and the smoke grenade one because I had to change my build.

[stiff cipher]

Tbf if your gonna make a system like penances you gotta predict that people are gonna want to do it the fastest way

[hollow ibex]

the smoke one can be easily done in mortis trials at least

[hoary marsh]

Also some require a specific playstayle to. Which isnt always the best for playing how you like.

[hoary marsh]

I need more still. Ill have to try it in there.

[hollow ibex]

yeah just take nade regen perks

and see if you can get heal nades

pretty good combo

[stiff cipher]

I have not one used a smoke grenade and I've been playing since launch

[sudden cedar]

Those penances are meant to try out something else

[hollow ibex]

they're only really useful in havoc imo

[stiff cipher]

Unfortunately for tubbyseacreature I'm stubborn

[hoary marsh]

Yeah the smoke grenade and Close to Kill are the last ones I need for Vet.

[stiff cipher]

Yeah same last two armor penances I need to do

[hollow ibex]

what's close to kill?

[tropic notch]

Stat that doesn’t affect damage and almost no effect from 60 to 80 on that stat

[sudden cedar]

@stiff cipher Well, that seems to be your problem then.

[hoary marsh]

Ita the travel so many distance in coherence while under the effects of the close to kill buff.

Like 10k meters i think.

[stiff cipher]

Tbf i dont really care for the armor so meh

[hollow ibex]

ah the close and kill aura?

that's the best aura anyway

[hoary marsh]

Yeah that one. Lol never used it for my build. But I can see why people do.

[hollow ibex]

movement speed chads

[stiff cipher]

I use Recon Lazgun like a true automatic rifleman

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like you would never let go of the trigger.

[stiff cipher]

Never the heretics wouldn't do the same for me

[normal bay]

So what's the trick to get the Power sword one shot on crushers? Do I need carapace and WS buffs?

[hollow ibex]

you can't on damnation i'm pretty sure

it'll always be 2 shot

i mean it's very fast though

charge -> block cancel -> PA, L3

it takes like a second basically

[normal bay]

But doesn't the push attack cancel the special after one hit?

[safe kiln]

not if you have power cycler which is a mandatory blessing on the power sword tbh

[normal bay]

I have it

Actually seems to be a tight window for L3

Yeah, that seems to be my issue

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it's right

Tight

Gotta be quick

[normal bay]

[severe jolt]

VETERAN IS STILL A GOOD CLASS

[tropic notch]

Can I see the steam guide for the ps

[tall torrent]

other parts unfinished

I'm changing ranged weapons' sections first

[tropic notch]

So where’s the blessings and perks for it?

[tall torrent]

.

[tropic notch]

I know it’s bm and pc

Guh

I’m so silly

[hoary marsh]

Shock Maul is best crusher counter. Lol

[tropic notch]

Ur clearly more sillier than me

I relinquish the title of silly ass grub

[steep flower]

He do be right tho; special does nice things & the weapon itself does acceptable dmg vs cara

[hoary marsh]

Yeah that special attack stuns everything. Super clutch weapon.

[sudden cedar]

It also stuns you

[unreal forge]

yeah it's not usable vs. several crushers

you shock one, the other will overhead you while you're stuck

extremely silly of it to work this way

[sudden cedar]

What is even worse is that you can only get out of that attack with a dodge

[sonic kayak]

You're the best crusher counter

[neat stratus]

Update on the pc build

This game is genuinely 5x as good as I thought

And I already liked it

Turns out when you need all low settings, performance fsr and frame generation just to hit 75 fps on a 1080p monitor, the game might not be quite as fun

On maxed out settings with raytracing, DLSS4 on max quality and nothin else, Im getting well over 120 Id bet

I only have a 75hz monitor until tomorrow, then I get to see how good it looks

[hoary marsh]

For the one crusher that makes it past the Krak grenades, yes. Lol

[snow cypress]

bro why does mu Rashad axe look like a Temu axe?

It does 0 damage idk why

I cannot kill a gunner with 1 head hit in auric damnation

[hoary marsh]

With the above Axe?

[snow cypress]

yeah

idk how

It does not kill

I'll try in meat grinder

[hoary marsh]

Has to be glitched somehow. It should be able to one shot headshot. Unless I am thinking of the larger combat axe.

[mild oxide]

I've heard people say Arbite is just gonna be "Better veteran" after the talent tree peak today how are people feeling?

[arctic rampart]

why are your perks T3 instead of T4

it should be a full diamond not 3/4

[hoary marsh]

Literally entirely different playstyles.

[sonic kayak]

Enjoy, king. This is for you 🫱 👑

[neat stratus]

Thank you, this was worth sacrificing a kidney

[snow cypress]

this axe

[arctic rampart]

go to hadron and fix your perks

[hoary marsh]

Give me a sec and let me check mine.

[snow cypress]

I'll try to max it

Maybe is that

But it has not that low stats

Bruh I need a higher Maestry Level

[snow cypress]

which perks do you recomend?

[hoary marsh]

Pretty sure that's just it. Mine isnt one shotting them either.

[snow cypress]

Aren't Brutal + Headtaker the best?

[hollow ibex]

You're likely missing breakpoints

Without breakpoints Rashad is utter dogshit

[hoary marsh]

Yellow guy is 3 hits, flak gunner is 2.

[hollow ibex]

You won't be able to one shot gunners I'm pretty sure either way

[arctic rampart]

use the highest end one first instead of 3/4 value for each. its not the perk but the quality of it you selected the lower value one

it should have full diamond on it not 3 out of 4

[snow cypress]

me too

[hoary marsh]

Yeah no matter what you arent one shotting.

[snow cypress]

ohhhh I see

[hoary marsh]

I have Decapitator and Shred. But I haven't used mine in months.

[snow cypress]

oh you ment perks no blessings mb

well that's weird

[arctic rampart]

I like those blessings those are my picks as well. But for me power sword is better than rashaad, or light spam tactical axe if I wanna use axe. Or DS4 if I wanna go fast

[snow cypress]

maybe,but neither shotgunners

I need at least 2 hits on the head

with heavy attacks

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

For those guys your just spam lights

It's still decent clear

[snow cypress]

then heavy attack is shit

[hollow ibex]

The main strength of Rashad is very high clear speed against hordes

And very effective against crushers

[hollow ibex]

Nah it's pretty respectable against bosses and crushers

[hoary marsh]

I see dueling sword is still pretty great. Lol

Hopefully shock Maul gets a buff like shotguns did.

[hollow ibex]

yeah always was, and never got nerfed

[void dragon]

would want to Dueling swords to be nerfed, they are quite the amazing pair for the DBarrel shotgun

want to feel ok using that combo of weapons

[unreal forge]

using kraks
I'm past this

[hoary marsh]

Yeah, i have a build for Bolt Pistol and Dueling Sword that uses weapon specialist. It's allot of fun.

[serene anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369396871881031710/1383064374037446708/0534.gif

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-usagi-cockroach-gif-5998373961064243412

[soft gate]

Friend is running a very specific weapon loadout, anyone got advice for a veteran that wants to run dueling sword and bolt gun?

Like what's the most optimal build you can run using them weapons

[fading yarrow]

Gimme a moment and I'll nab ya one

[soft gate]

I know it's an oddly specific question but he has his heart set on using them weapons but he isn't sure what to do with his talent tree. He is new and I don't know the veteran class that well to give him advice

[soft gate]

You legend thank you

[fading yarrow]

This oughtta give your friend good single target specialist, elite and boss damage and team support

[soft gate]

Nice one, thank you I'll pass it over now

[fading yarrow]

[tall torrent]

finalized, sorta

[orchid hemlock]

Where you able to analyze the source code?

[tall torrent]

for this weapon yes

there're some more complex ones that I don't bother

I do hand testing for dmg breakpoint tables

cuz in game dmg tables are actually just bad

not accurate

sometimes they are

but not always, so not rly trustworthy

[orchid hemlock]

Wait so the code isn't accurate? 😕

[tall torrent]

code is accurate

in game dmg table is not (sometimes it is, but it can be wrong)

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

I now list fairly detailed dmg tables for ranged weapons

[main panther]

MY FELLOW VETERANS! whats a good gun to use? tired of the lasgun lol

[tropic notch]

Wanna feel like doom guy

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[main panther]

lemme take a look lol

[tropic notch]

Really you can use any melee

With this

Ranged your kinda limited

[main panther]

i run double barrel on my psyker such a fun gun

[tropic notch]

Plasma, bolt pistol, revolver, dbarrel all work amazing for this

[tropic notch]

It’s even better on vet

[main panther]

dont really vibe with plasma honestly idk why

[tropic notch]

ainz has a video of him bringing the dbarrel into havoc with a power sword

4 man vet

Was pretty cool

[main panther]

will have to check it out

[hoary marsh]

With those the Ammo return on swap is a must have.

[fossil lake]

The pinned melee weapon guide is missing some. Is there an extended one?

[narrow frost]

what is it missing?

he is working on a steam guide, an updated one

[fossil lake]

I liked this one but it doesn't have Heavy Sword or Shock Maul

realized I probably pinged the poster accidentally

[tame lodge]

Don't worry

[pseudo fiber]

the poster left long ago

[tame lodge]

They are not here

[neat stratus]

500 Ragers

https://tenor.com/view/five-hundred-cigarettes-bortus-orville-cigarettes-500-gif-7580742793072271551

[narrow frost]

ahhh that guide

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

this one is the more up to date

but still is missing a few things

[fossil lake]

I like the section on veteran callouts lol

Though I think it's missing "Traxis-77" (trapper) which is the most common one I hear

I hate loose cannon because by the time you know what they're doing a callout for it's already on you

[sonic kayak]

When the Traxis-12 shows up on the field

[fossil lake]

Also no sigma-minoris-77

[sonic kayak]

Sigma-sigma-something

[fossil lake]

"Traxis...uh, hmm, something with a net!"

Thanks man, she's been dead for like 12 seconds now

oh no they're there. My browser just dropped me a page too low when i clicked the link

[tame lodge]

Traxis 12? Yeah!

Traxis 12

[fossil lake]

The only one he actually gets

unless its not

just call them all traxis 12 and you'll be right eventually

[hoary marsh]

Curious what do people think is the better mark pump Shotgun?

[narrow frost]

agri best

[tame lodge]

Agripina

Or Zarona

But mostly agripina

Although they both perform pretty similarly against elites

[hoary marsh]

Sweet thank you! Been forever since I used one.

[tame lodge]

But Agri is better against specials and Zaza is better against Unyielding

[hoary marsh]

Do Flechette and Man Stopper still?

[fossil lake]

If I run a melee that struggles against carapace, is there a good crusher-buster for ranged?

[narrow frost]

bolter and both revolvers

[fossil lake]

my stub takes 2 cylinders to kill a crusher with headshots so maybe i go bolter

[tall torrent]

for zarona

[tame lodge]

Agri is more Full Bore

[hoary marsh]

Just realized Grenade Tinkerer with Krak Grenades is kinda overkill.

[tall torrent]

for agripinaa

[tame lodge]

Now for completionist sake

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I am using Weapon Specialist.

[tame lodge]

What about accatran?

[tall torrent]

not worth

[tame lodge]

Is it that bad?

💀

[hoary marsh]

Are you building out optimized builds to? Or just break down in general for most weapons.

[tall torrent]

both

zarona shotgun

[hoary marsh]

Nice, I remember some guy did that with VT2, super awesome guide and it helped me allot learning everything.

[tall torrent]

agripinaa shotgun

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah

These might change on the 23rd

[tall torrent]

yea

built the formats beforehand

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I am gonna dive into the Arbites class pretty hard. lol

[tall torrent]

combat shotguns rn pretty ass

maybe on 23rd they'll stop being ass

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I want to use them, but then I use the Vraks Autogun and its just so much better. Even kills Maulers faster. lol

[hoary marsh]

If I was using one with Weapon Specalist , with the ammo return when activating range stance would the Agri be the best. Seems like its Special ammo I can get allot of milege out of as well.

[tall torrent]

best with exe stance is zarona imo

u can do some pretty funny things with it

lemme show u

1 sec

[hoary marsh]

It reduces spread to. So that includes the pellet spread?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17472548763884287208/48B805A66B3F3B30E309706F0689FC3D92776335/

[hoary marsh]

Good lord.

[tame lodge]

Exec stance my beloved

[hoary marsh]

Never tried the Exec stance with a shotgun. now I am gonna. lol

[tall torrent]

basically

if u go back to the zarona shotgun pic I sent

it has a very high min pellet count vs unyielding when u aim down sight