veteran-class

[wind grotto]

I won't judge the class from the video entirely because a lot of their trailers for updates is them using a really low level weapon that does nothing against what they are fighting, but that trailer looked real rough

[unreal forge]

it's about giving the player the value for money spent, that's why every Vermintide 2 DLC class is A+ or S

[dry cloak]

still propably better than what we have now

[void dragon]

Shotguns REALLY need a boost

[dry cloak]

niche most likely

[unreal forge]

why do shotguns have like 40% less ammo than the spearhead even?

start by fixing that, I say

[wind grotto]

i'm talking about how the short clip of it on a mauler was it being on the mauler for that entire section of like 2-3 seconds which if it takes them a while to kill something that a better class with good melee options could just instantly kill otherwise I uh really have low hopes for the dogs

and I think shotguns should all be closer to how the kickback works for ogryn

not that the kickback is super meta or whatever but it at least works and doesn't feel like shit to use which all the combat shotguns sure do at this point

[dry cloak]

then use double shot on db

[wind grotto]

why would I ever use the double shot on the db, I think the db is fine as a gun without ever touching the double barrel part, i'm just talking about the combat shotguns

[void dragon]

Remember that you are still a full on class, the dog removing an specialist is good, specially when you are not giving it any order (think it like the brain burst option that passively damage enemies)

[void dragon]

Kill mutants in one go

[wind grotto]

yeah I won't judge it until I see the dog in action myself i'm just wary of it taking forever

[elder vessel]

Me and the boys when on June 23rd

[wind grotto]

and i'm sure being able to tell it to just ice a poxburster or netter/flamer/whatever is going to be fine

[hollow ibex]

Can't watch rn what difficulty level were they in?

[wind grotto]

i'm just not really expecting it to be super broken

I don't think they ever say anything about what diff they play on

[tall torrent]

uprising?

[wind grotto]

but they never seem to have like meta builds or even like decent ones for the trees/blessings in anything they've ever shown gameplay wise

[void dragon]

They didn't show, but doesn't feel too high

[void dragon]

I think they only showed one skill in the charge, so we are sill quite in the dark here

[elder vessel]

Uprising doesn't have daemonhosts

[pseudo fiber]

low int malice?

[cosmic aurora]

Do you think they might give us the Arbities shotgun?

[wind grotto]

no

[void dragon]

Nope

Pay2vet exclusive

[wind grotto]

we absolutely aren't going to get any of the big arbite weapons, maybe the shield maul will be shared but doubt that also

it's going to be funny that two major updates after the vet will be getting something good soon just you wait we're still at 0 new vet weapons announced

[void dragon]

Shame, because I wanted that combo weapon for zealot for a while

[wind grotto]

and when we get one it'll probably just be like heres a new power sword variant that uses the heat system, but it sucks unlike the relic sword

[slow spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq_vdjOlpSY

More Arbities gameplay c:

[void dragon]

Praying for a power fist for vet, I swear the class needs some more good melee options

[elder vessel]

Spear

[void dragon]

Explosive spear?

[elder vessel]

No a spear

A sharpened tip of metal on a haft

[void dragon]

Lame, it should be explosive

[elder vessel]

It should be chainspear

[void dragon]

Stab and boom

[analog mural]

Just put a boltgun on the end

[elder vessel]

or power spear

[analog mural]

There, it's explosive

[void dragon]

There are explosive spears in lore

Used by cavalry units

[analog mural]

Yeah and there are boltguns on spears too

Much cooler

[elder vessel]

Veteran hard carried by a fucking custodian guardian spear

[void dragon]

Idk if we would EVER get hands on gear custodes have

[wind grotto]

it's okay we need another full set of like poop shovels and pistol variants of guns that aren't interesting

[elder vessel]

Give us the Judge Revolver from Payday 2

[void dragon]

More Brautos that don't have stagger potential like that one pistol that should be about mobility but has stupid high stagger for some reason please

[pseudo fiber]

arbites already got that one

[analog mural]

I never understood why they restricted a pointy spear with a gun attached to only custodes

[elder vessel]

not a shotgun revolver

[pseudo fiber]

The shotpistol

literally is

[wind grotto]

I hope they just stop adding pistols if they're just going to be heres a faster switch variant of something already in the game over doing something interesting like adding a hellgun or etc for a giant list of guns

it's just so boring

[void dragon]

At this point a weapon rebalance would be so good for the game

[wind grotto]

it's never going to happen at this point

[void dragon]

So many weapons are questionable when they should be cool

[wind grotto]

if they didn't remove golden toughness by now they're probably terrified of doing anything nerf wise to anything busted let alone wanting to make things competitive

[grand perch]

chainsword - such an iconic weapon, so shit in this game

[void dragon]

Exactly

[pseudo fiber]

Gold toughness is never going away

Like ever

[void dragon]

Make the active of chain weapons deal more back loaded damage instead of loading it all in the end!

[unreal nova]

Stop reminding me. Chainsword on psyker challenge...

[wind grotto]

oh I know, I don't want it to leave unless they're going to change how they've designed content around it for a bit now also tbf

like its a really bad piece of design but they sure are just designing new shit around it as far as challenging gameplay goes now

[crude star]

eh? what's wrong with it

[wind grotto]

it's far too strong of a crutch

[void dragon]

Hopium of the day: when they rework Zealot it will not have piss toughness

[wind grotto]

isn't zealot still the second best character in the game as far as tdr goes?

[safe kiln]

you mean more front loaded damage?

[wind grotto]

only surpassed by how insane they made ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

I like my piss toughness

[void dragon]

Oops, yeah, the ticks that are part of the attack should do more damage, so if you have to dodge you do less damage but not lose all of it

[wind grotto]

and I think they could easily fix chain weapons by just removing the locked animation and making the chain mode a stance switch that makes them slower to swing but do more rending, and maybe apply bleeding guaranteed or something

[slow spade]

more cleave would be nice too

[hollow ibex]

Dodging out of it should not cost stamina

Fucking stupid that it does

[wind grotto]

sure, just a buff all around for an attack speed decrease would be fine, it'd still not be better than the current top melee even

[void dragon]

Wait IT DOES?!!!!
MorbidlyobeseShrimp WHY?!!

[wind grotto]

because the chain weapons are designed to look great and feel good to use on content where you aren't fighting 9 crushers at once

[hollow ibex]

Yeah they added the cost when dodging out of latching became a thing

[wind grotto]

like wow I sure would love to be stuck in an animation and get punished for leaving it to do what best case on a crusher like 60% of his health

[void dragon]

If the damage of the active would be equally distributed on all ticks I could understand, but that's just stupid

[wind grotto]

in the time that a good melee would kill like 3 crushers

[void dragon]

Psword can kill a crusher horde in half the time, rashad is kinda slow but it staggers them with so much ease, there is 0 REASONS for the active to not deal tons of damage for how dangerous it's to use

[wind grotto]

I feel like the rashad kills a crusher by the time the chain weapon would be done it's first cycle at the very least

but yeah a psword/ds4 would just have most of them dead, let alone just having an ogryn/zealot do it even faster

[void dragon]

Nah, Psword do it on a fair time, DS is an outlined that does with safety AND fast, ogryn it's just overtuned on its damage currently so that's expected

[unreal forge]

I love the shock maul

[void dragon]

But it's crazy that chain weapons don't perform well when they are the ones putting the most risk, you would expect that to be rewarded with a very ded crusher

[unreal forge]

no one told me the shock maul was so good

[void dragon]

Elaborate, who lied you that bad?

[sleek garden]

I like the shock maul

It's fun

[unreal nova]

Is fun, but not good.

Subpar at best.

[unreal forge]

don't see how

unless you have dark souls 4 as your standard of quality

I'm hoping the Arbites shock maul will be even better

[wind grotto]

I enjoy the shock maul but it's not a good weapon

[void dragon]

My standard of quality is the Heavy sword, I wish it's overhead attack did more to caparace, but is a beast against everything else

[wind grotto]

the shock maul has a very good move set it just doesn't actually perform well damage/cleave wise in most scenarios against things that matter

also the special action fucking sucks

[void dragon]

One-shot a mutie? Check
Horde mauler? Check
Is a big frigging sword? Check

HSwords are cool

[wind grotto]

yeah i'm happy we got heavy swords

[hollow ibex]

Facts

I just wished it got better sfx

Like dclaw sounds meatier lol

[tall torrent]

then low int malice lol

[topaz lance]

Hey guys, when are they gonna nerf VoC, DS and Plasma Gun and also buff the Vigilant autoguns, the shotties and the shredder pistol?
It must be with the Arbites update, right 🤡

[safe kiln]

well shredder got buffed. it's still mediocre

[topaz lance]

They still have PTSD from when it was busted

[safe kiln]

its damage is alright, just very ammo inefficient lol

[dry cloak]

shredder is a sidearm at heart

[topaz lance]

Also hey guys, when are they gonna add the new vet weapons they promised about 9 months ago?
It must also be the Arbites update, right? Right?????

[dry cloak]

they have time till the end of the year

maybe int october

[unreal nova]

I wouldn't be surprised if it drops on Xmas and every other class gets a new weapon.

[narrow frost]

Depends on what you use it for

Since it has insanely high maniac damage I only shoot ragers and specials

Which take round 4-8 bullets each

And with the ammo upgrade talent that is around 700 bullets so 100 specials without picking up ammo

I combo it with the Hsword for more fun

[safe kiln]

but then you have no carapace damage

[narrow frost]

????

So?

[dry cloak]

take kraks

[narrow frost]

Carapace isn't scary

Just h1 special loop with the Hsword

I did a civi with this build and outdamages 2 ogryn and a psyker

[safe kiln]

that's going to take forever when there's more than 1 crusher lol

[narrow frost]

It takes 4 hits...

Not everything needs to die in 1

[dry cloak]

assuming mk9 yes?

[narrow frost]

I use mk 6

[unreal nova]

You forget ppl use DS4 and expect 1-2 shots.

[narrow frost]

I know

People don't understand balance

And it easily shows

[dry cloak]

my man

[narrow frost]

DS has rotted so many people

Its sad to see

Not just saying it's you tacky

This happens every day

[dry cloak]

its a general obeservation

[safe kiln]

true when dueling sword kills carapace as quickly as it does

[narrow frost]

"taxe has no carapace damage" "Hsword has no carapace damage"

Meanwhile I am the last one alive killing a crusher patrol

[dry cloak]

with taxe

[narrow frost]

And Hsword

[hollow ibex]

When I tested mk 9 it was something like 500 DPS against crushers which is pretty sad

[unreal nova]

Skill though.

[agile forge]

Old Bull Butcher

[spark canopy]

i'm trying to enjoy the veteran class

but holy fuckamole

[hollow ibex]

Special H1 loop

[spark canopy]

is this levelling up agony

[agile forge]

Now that had no Carapace damage

[narrow frost]

I was going to edit (4-7) depending on crits

[unreal nova]

You could give the avg pub an inf charge Powersword and they'll still be on the ground.

[safe kiln]

vet has very little safety until shout 🙂

[agile forge]

Like genuinely you'd be hacking away at one for hours

[safe kiln]

probably best to grab out for blood when leveling tbh

[dry cloak]

and you should not use shout to be a better player. imo

[hollow ibex]

It's not great. I get better results with taxe mk 4 light spam

[narrow frost]

Indeed

[hollow ibex]

It gets better at level 16 or so

[spark canopy]

i'm at level 16 and it is fuckass horrible

my VoC doesn't do jack rickety fuck

[dry cloak]

if youre comming from new ogryn its no suprise its tough to adjust

[hollow ibex]

And once you get all three curio slots you'll be able to run a while ten meters without keeling over!

[narrow frost]

Should I record a Hsword vet civi solo?

[dry cloak]

sure why not

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn just warps how the game is meant to be played lol

[safe kiln]

ogryn is very hard to kill in melee, going to vet which has the worst stamina economy unless you take talents for it and little DR

[spark canopy]

i got every other class to 30

Ogryn first, then Psyker, then Zealot

this class is just atrocious with ammo efficacy

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn actively makes people worse at the game

[unreal nova]

Would explain. Barring the most braindead of braindead, oggy just powers through.

[void dragon]

Depressing, considering how it was a good training class for it's many shortcomings

[spark canopy]

no but i'm not coming from new ogryn

i'm coming from Zealot

[void dragon]

They need to nerf ogryn's damage

[unreal nova]

300-400 ping solos when you dunno jack about oggy explains everything.

Heresy, but still.

[hollow ibex]

Zealot has it much better as well

[spark canopy]

so Veteran is kinda the worst then?

[hollow ibex]

Especially while leveling

[faint beacon]

Veteran is the most balanced

[void dragon]

5th best class, soon in 23th

[unreal nova]

Psyker might be worse when lvling.

[hollow ibex]

Nah. Vet is top four class until June 23

[unreal nova]

But at 30, heh.

[faint beacon]

its just everyone else minus Zealot cause they're old

[hollow ibex]

Laughs in Assail

[faint beacon]

Vet will now be the top five class

[safe kiln]

how're you 4 shotting crushers with a hsword? unless zealot with fotf?

[dry cloak]

if vet has bad ammo econ youre playing it wrong mate

[spark canopy]

recon lasgun if that matters

and also level 16

[dry cloak]

are you shooting hordes?

[spark canopy]

nope

focusing on specialists and elites

gunners, shotgunners, trappers, snipers, the like.

headshots mainly.

[void dragon]

Yeah, how the hay? In my experience it does take more than 4 hits

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah. I forgot since GF dropped it at like lvl 10 from boredom.

[spark canopy]

like 70% headshots, other 30% are either bodies or missing

[dry cloak]

the change mark to 6c or the heavy one

mk16 has atrocious ammo econ

[hollow ibex]

The ammo economy gets much better as you get better melee and unlock shock trooper. Vet sucks ass in many places but ammo econ is not one of them

[unreal nova]

When you have a Bistol and gotta shoot everything without ammo pickups.

[dry cloak]

YES

[spark canopy]

i was using the XIV

so i think that's the worst from what i was just told

[unreal nova]

EVERY SINGLE SPECIAL/ELITE.

[void dragon]

"You are the dispenser" other classes to vet

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that's the worst

[spark canopy]

makes sense

[faint beacon]

Veteran can get in melee combat with like

[unreal nova]

200k dockets an hour or no go.

[faint beacon]

Half the roster of Specials and Elites

[unreal nova]

What do you think I do when my gun hits dark orange ammo.

[faint beacon]

You should probably avoid doing that

unless its something way out at a distance

[dry cloak]

all 3 has theyre uses. being ,,the worst,, does not mean its bad

yes its the wrost one between the 3 but nothing stops it from being a good gun

[unreal nova]

I can't or someone dies to a gunner or sniper or the bloody bombers.

I rather not be on snipe duty, you know.

But you get no choice in some runs.

[void dragon]

No one hunts the bombers (tested in quickplay where I intentionally focused on covering melee instead of hunting specialists as zealot)

People just don't like to aim I feel

[unreal nova]

On controller, I understand.

[spark canopy]

alright so i've futzed around with my recon lasgun

[unreal nova]

Is a pain and the aim assist is really aim hindrance.

[faint beacon]

Also again im going to scream from the hills that the Taxe's anti carapace is you can juggle them with special stagger

[spark canopy]

it's VIc
flak and maniac perks
infernus and headhunter blessings

[faint beacon]

you dont need to drop them immediately when you can literally just

[void dragon]

Bs, my cousin is a crack sniper with controller where I can't land headshots the same way

[spark canopy]

is this meta

[faint beacon]

turn them off for like 2-3 seconds

LMAO

[void dragon]

Controller is not the issue

[unreal nova]

Some ppl are just different.

Also depends on controller.

My 2 weeks ded one drifts on both sticks.

GL hitting the barnside.

[void dragon]

Can I encourage you into the ways of our lord and saviour the mouse?

[spark canopy]

is collateral the dumpstat for the recon lasgun?

[unreal nova]

Ppl use infernus and dum dum.

[void dragon]

Dumdum is must to deal good damage with gun and fire

[spark canopy]

sweet. i managed to get an 80 all, 60 collat

[unreal nova]

Nu, my normal is fine. Bumper is dying from all the dodges though.

[void dragon]

Can I introduce you to our prophet and the path that is the space bar key?

[hollow ibex]

Does headhunter for dumdum like others said

[unreal nova]

If you are willing to buy me a full keyboard of switches, maybe.

The current one already annoys the hell out of me on DOTA2.

[void dragon]

Alas, it was not meant to be, for me stingy AND poor

[unreal nova]

And while typing.

[unreal nova]

And I'm too poor as well to spend $80~ on that.

Akko switches as well.

Better ones are like...

[void dragon]

80 dolah?!!!
*Hiss in stingy goblin

[unreal nova]

104. Is like 30 switches for $18-$20.

[unreal nova]

Thus, nu. I'll just pick up a new controller in 1 - 2 years when the bumper stops working. Is like $55.

[hollow ibex]

Not taking O4B smh

[narrow frost]

@void dragon @safe kiln crit weakspot with h1 special loop

I take flak elite on sword

Serrated is just for the funny

[void dragon]

I said HISS! (I think my keyboard is like 30$)

[short vapor]

You need to datamine them. They'll be in settings/equipment/weapon_templates/ and then you go to a weapon folder, its damage templates folder, then the actual damage templates file. Should be right off the top of my head. This stuff will be shown in the breakpoint calc I'm working on.

[unreal nova]

Serrated mercykiller is funni.

[tame lodge]

Damage_profiles?

[short vapor]

That one yeah.

It'll either give you the full adm table per damage template, or it'll use a preset you gotta find with sometimes an override.

[safe kiln]

how when crits are doing ~350 damage on the weakpoint for the h1

[steep flower]

Psyker has worse DR

[steep flower]

Mob i would take

[safe kiln]

well yeah I never said vet has the worst DR, just the worst stamina and low DR outside of iron will

[void dragon]

What serrated you mean? Heavy sword doesn't have a blessing like that iirc

[safe kiln]

the talent

[narrow frost]

Talent

[steep flower]

Dont forget COD

[safe kiln]

not every build takes COD

[steep flower]

And its a mistake

[safe kiln]

if you go for out for blood you likely won't be taking COD

[narrow frost]

Desperado, reciprocity, melee damage node, power on ult are the main things helping

When I get on PC I can record a few clips

If I remember

But my main point is no weapon can't deal with carapace

Yes Hsword is slower but it can still do it

[steep flower]

Which Hsword mark you use/like?

[narrow frost]

DS has made people think weapons should 1-2 shot every enemy

[void dragon]

Hope you do, feels quite odd you saying Hsword performing so well Vs caparace when it feels that it's the one spot it underperforms

[narrow frost]

Mk6

[void dragon]

Other targets it chops hard

[narrow frost]

It performs okay, not the best but not badly

[steep flower]

Mah man knows whats good

[void dragon]

Still think it needs better performance Vs caparace to so similar to Caxe

[void dragon]

It's there some agreement on the ways of the Hsword? I'm a grasshopper still on vet

[narrow frost]

And I don't think so, but that's another argument for another day, balance is a fickle thing

[faint beacon]

Realizing its not crazy but RS or even fucking Exploit could help with Carapace more if you say fuck it we ball

[steep flower]

Its the moveset that matters; try mk6

You’ll see

[void dragon]

Will give it a try when I'm free

[narrow frost]

Mk 9 is easy. Mk6/7 have more in depth moves

[safe kiln]

im getting anywhere between 6-9 hit kills on crushers with the mk6

[steep flower]

Aka; ‚Thinking Mans Weapon’

[void dragon]

I have used Mk7, will test Mk6 next

[tame lodge]

6 and 7 just have inverted move set

[void dragon]

Really? That's all? (Feels anticlimactic and lazy)

[steep flower]

Simplified

But now i remember; 6 was goat, 9 was simple, 7 was oof

[tame lodge]

Well yeah simplified
Because both heavies still Strikedown

Mk6 L1 and l4 become l3 and l4 on mk7

Wait

[unreal nova]

But but but, my mk 3 shovel can one tap.

[tame lodge]

It's the opposite

Mk6 L3 and l4 become L1 and l4 on the 7

[void dragon]

Wait a sec...Mk7 is the bad one?!!

[steep flower]

Would not say bad; just ‚oof’; moveset wise primarily but its a preference

[void dragon]

Crazy, that's all I have used so far in the Hsword realm and I like it because it cuts hordes and chop muties in a single swing

[steep flower]

All Hswords can really

[void dragon]

Good, but it means I have to try the other move sets

[steep flower]

Apart from push att, mk6 is goat for me

[vapid thunder]

are shield maul and shotgun the only 2 new weapons

[steep flower]

Yeah; try them all!

[tame lodge]

So far*

Oh wait

There's the big one

[void dragon]

Shield+maul, shield+pistol, and super shotgun

[tame lodge]

Ah discord error

Hold on

[steep flower]

Oh? All i saw was a revolver but thats a skin…

[spark canopy]

can anyone else send media messages?

[vapid thunder]

the what

[spark canopy]

or am i bugging?

[vapid thunder]

yea discord cant upload images rn

[tame lodge]

The big maul

[steep flower]

NO WAY; inb4 its only for arbites/zealots

[vapid thunder]

well yea id assume so

[vapid thunder]

or arb only bc zealot already has crusher thammer

[tame lodge]

Oh well

[steep flower]

Image is broken

[tame lodge]

💀

[vapid thunder]

huh if i click on it it loads

[steep flower]

MAN…

[steep flower]

Same error…

[vapid thunder]

no hstubber arb 😔

[steep flower]

Don’t bother

But thx for trying

[tame lodge]

😭

[steep flower]

Maybe its the phone; but then again if it does not load on the app it wont on the PC 2

[steep flower]

Ok i checked theory crafting section

And i only saw the icon of the weapon

My first thought

Corn

Fking Corn Stick

If its as small as i think it is its gonna be for all classes

[spark canopy]

uh.

80/80/80/80/61

[tame lodge]

Probably rounding

One of those 80 is 79.something

[spark canopy]

i refuse to believe it

i think that i am the next coming of warhammer

i am him. Jeanne d'Arctide

oh wait

wtf

how hard is the deadeye penance

i just got it randomly in a game

[tame lodge]

I don't remember penances by name

[spark canopy]

"On Heresy or higher, in a single use of Volley Fire, kill 5 highlighted enemies with Weak Spot Hits whilst using a weapon's secondary action."

[normal bay]

5 weakspot hits in a row during a single use of exe stance

[spark canopy]

That doesn't seem difficult

[normal bay]

That depends on how bad your aim is

And what you understand "volley fire" to be

[spark canopy]

shrug

i got it

and i have fancy shmancy new pantsies to show for it

[grand perch]

thats one of the easiest penances but im glad you have finally put on pants

[spark canopy]

nah

i took 'em off

[spark canopy]

i want these heretics to see what a real beast of nurgle looks like

[hot crag]

Hey guys, new player here, what's the best blessings for combat knife for veteran? I like this one the most compared to every other melee and there's almost no guide on YT talking about it, since 99% of the videos are about dueling sword. Google says Uncanny striker + mercy killer?

[tame reef]

I really enjoy the pairing of riposte and precognition

[hot crag]

Thanks I will try this combo

[tame lodge]

Uncanny + Riposte/Precognition

It's only mercy Killer if you have the Serrated Blade talent on the right side of the tree

Which is not worth it tbh

[hot crag]

Thanks 😊

[fading rivet]

So question for vet. I got a boltgun with an 80 in everything but a 60 max in reload. Should I throw it away?

[unreal nova]

Just use a recon and spray at a pogryn head.

[unreal nova]

Is funni. Also helps with watching a mutie run off and potato before hitting someone.

[sudden cedar]

@fading rivet 60 Mobility.

[steep flower]

YUP; IT WAS THE PHONE; AND YUP; ITS A FKING CORN STICK

[unreal nova]

You do not want 60 reload on a gun that takes 7 secs to reload.

[steep flower]

@severe lark ay yo; i'm home; wanna play?

[sharp topaz]

once i get done downloading it i might

[unreal forge]

the shock maul i got off melk

[steep flower]

perfection

[sudden cedar]

So that is what the Prismata Crystals are for.

[severe lark]

Sure

But im gonna eat my dinner first

And we play

[steep flower]

ay lemme know whne youre free

[severe lark]

Ok

@steep flower

You there?

[tame lodge]

Weapons
Mind wipes
Gender changing surgery
Weapons

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[steep flower]

come to 40k

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/rVsDJstd

[tame lodge]

Morrow: "The Moebians are due to pay off some of their co-conspirators. The exchange is happening in a Chasm Station Transit Hub. Said payment's taking the form of prismata crystals. Worthless to you, but handy if you're manufacturing heavy weapons."

[sudden cedar]

It was meant as a joke.

[tame lodge]

Fun fact
Atm Sefoni is one of the two npcs non AdMech characters that acknowledge the Machine Spirit in mission dialogue

Sefoni is lovely

[sudden cedar]

Sefoni is a Witch. A Freak. Not to be trusted.

@unreal nova Its okay Kari, its okay.

Get some cheese. 🧀

[tame lodge]

"Sefoni loves you" - Sefoni

[sudden cedar]

Okay and?

Do i need to care about that?

A witch is a witch. Abhor the Witch, destroy the Witch.

[hollow ibex]

True

[supple stag]

Sefoni creeps the fuck outta me

[sudden cedar]

I mean wouldn't you also cry out in pain when memories that you hold are forcefully released from your mind. In pain.

[unreal nova]

Am not rat. Am cat. >_>

[sudden cedar]

You are Skaven.

[unreal nova]

Am not.

[sudden cedar]

Hush.

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[tame lodge]

Yes
Pain

[vapid thunder]

whos the other one

[tame lodge]

Swagger

[vapid thunder]

grendyl acknowledges the machine spirit?

[tame lodge]

Dunno
Never talked to Grendyl

[vapid thunder]

swagger is grendyl so

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

whys this build have tox flamer resist

[long dove]

maybe a mistake?

or got ass blasted by them more than a few times?

[unreal nova]

Or got trappered too much and charred.

[long dove]

Yup

Worst moment I had so far was being knocked up and then trapped and I landed in tox flame

died near instantly

btw how good is the autogun?

specifically the Braced Autogun?

[unreal nova]

Only for Zealot. Just use Inf even then.

[long dove]

I'm wanting to try new things

Been doing nothing but Krieg Life and I wanna branch out

[unreal nova]

Ah. Well, to be honest, as long it's not High Havocs, anything can work.

[long dove]

Yeah plus I just came back to playing and I haven't played since before the tree reworks lol.

idk why but the last week Im on a Darktide kick lol

[crude wind]

good time to come back

[long dove]

Right?

Plus more drip

and I love collecting drip

[bleak tendon]

"The Arbites Shock Maul is your standard melee option, and gives you the ability to shove troublemakers to the ground if things get too busy."

special is just a shove?

[hollow ibex]

Since he's a cop, should be at least a chokehold

[bleak tendon]

we got grapplers in darktide now

[long dove]

Nah, pinned to the ground with knee on the back

also for guides that say what melee attack to use (like H1 > L2). Does the attack change depending on location of the weapon when I hit th ebutton?

[vapid thunder]

it changes based on which attack in the sequence it is

[long dove]

oh so it changes if it's the 3 or 5 in the line no matter what combo of L or H you use?

[uncut pebble]

The numbers are based on how they appear in the chain. H1 is always the first attack, h2 is always the second (assuming you are swinging heavies only). Something like dclaw 4 would have its horde clear be laid out as l1, h2, l3, loop h2, l3.

[long dove]

yeah remembering that is a pain lol. I suck at fighting games for a reason lmao

[hollow ibex]

some weapons have similar or very similar combos so that helps

Other times it's just a matter of seeing the position your weapon is at and following up with the next correct attack

But tht good thing is that there are a wide variety of simple and complex movesets so you could just skip out on annoying weapons if you don't want to use them

[long dove]

Yeah like some of the combos are needed for certain things. Like a friend told me I had to learn a Heavy Attack guard cancel for Ogryn Slab Shield were it just resets the Heavy Attack back to 1 on repeat

[vapid thunder]

ur friends trying too hard, H1-H1 is only marginally better than H1-H2

what is the point of mk5 and mk3 hellbore

[long dove]

faster charging?

[hollow ibex]

Less dogshit bayonet and faster route to carpal tunnel

[long dove]

Hey I like the bayonet

[hollow ibex]

You're allowed to like bad things

[tame lodge]

Mk3 is your middle child

Good at everything

But not everything

[vapid thunder]

yea but the hellbore is not a weapon you want to be good at everything

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-19039548

[vapid thunder]

it’s a weapon you want to be great at one thing

[steep flower]

Yeah; not being dogshit... and it ain't

[tame lodge]

It's the greatest weapon in the game

ahem

~~ Behind low draw speed ~~

~~poor sights ~~

[vapid thunder]

the sights are good idk why people don’t like them

[tame lodge]

It depends

Mk3 and mk5 have just a little lump

[steep flower]

mk5 is very fast and has good ammo economy; can lack dmg tho. mk3 has dmg and reliable charge up while retaining good bayonet & no forced timers after each shot like the mk4 has; you wont be killing crushers with it but everything else will die reliably; the best one overall imo

[tame lodge]

Mk4 has the small posts

However

Any of the free cosmetics will change Mk4s sights

For some reason

[steep flower]

Gutter sights for a sniper weapon is dogshit; this aint a shotgun

[steep flower]

is it better tho?

[vapid thunder]

this game isn’t long range enough for u to need a scope

[tame lodge]

Nope
It becomes the little lump

[slow spade]

we need the zealot treatment where Fatshark puts a candle in front of the sights again UwU

[vapid thunder]

i tried it with a modded scope and it feels worse

[tame lodge]

There's a paid one that looks like vigi's

[steep flower]

use 'weapon fov' mod and thank me later

[steep flower]

imagine locking proper sights behind a paid cosmetic

[tame lodge]

Lemme see if I find the image

[tall torrent]

It’s also slightly misaligned

[tame lodge]

💀

That's just the casual veteran treatment

[pseudo fiber]

you gotta aim a little over or under I odn't remember

at this point I give up on weapon skins lol

[sharp topaz]

i got a auto gun now

but it sucks cuz it a gray shot gun ;-;

[vapid thunder]

auto shotgun? that’s a new one

[edgy dew]

Sounds ogryn

[sharp topaz]

i am not sure its auto but its a shot gun

[vapid thunder]

whats it called

[sharp topaz]

i am not sure

let me check

[ashen zealot]

are there any mods that let you aim through a scope?

[sharp topaz]

i am not su4re

i cant share screen shots ;-;

its a combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

Weapon customization mod but it's quite unstable

[vapid thunder]

is it? ive never had problems with it

other than it forcing everything else other than scopes down your throat

[hollow ibex]

It's been a historical complaint of the mod yeah

[ashen zealot]

updating mods with every patch is such a tedious process

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[ashen zealot]

I'd rather do bulgarian split squats

[vapid thunder]

u have to update them?

i just toggle back on mods

[hollow ibex]

A lot of them break every patch, including weapon customization lol

[ashen zealot]

yeah toggling on doesnt work you have to redo them all, at least the last few patches

my two friends wont play unless they add scopes which is obtuse but whatever

they're picky lil bitches

[sharp topaz]

i mean i think the game fine as is

[loud belfry]

not a lot, just some

[hollow ibex]

Well a lot of the important ones often break between patches

[loud belfry]

true

[vapid thunder]

its nice to have qol stuff like scoreboard, true lvl, and accurate ammo numbers

[austere mica]

Or my dodge count

And my crit chance

[signal zinc]

Or the full auto mod that saves me from carpel tunnel

[loud belfry]

or the cjk glyphs mod

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1l9x12j/shotguns_are_being_buffed_in_the_arbites_patch_on/

Double barrel buffs surely

[grand perch]

morning vets

[void dragon]

me look at clock saying its eppy o-clock: is clock lying?

[grand perch]

yes

[void dragon]

*krumps clock for being a diry liar

[grand perch]

i bet that git waznt even green

[void dragon]

black and white, but now its thin

[vapid thunder]

what weapons is that even necessary on

everything is either already auto or wants precision

[signal zinc]

Infantry lasgun

[grand perch]

especially mark IIb

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it needs big buffs

Tbh

Combat shotguns absolutely

DB shotgun was in a pretty good spot already

[hollow ibex]

Agreed. It should get buffs anyways

[tall torrent]

Actually

DB shotgun might be the only balanced & good weapon in the game rn

Everything else either underperforming or overperforming

[gritty mural]

FS fucked up their balancing by letting the dueling sword stay as is

[hollow ibex]

All the more reason it needs to be fixed (with buffs)

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[dry cloak]

I heard that sentence about combat shotties

[gritty mural]

if it is then the game has evolved past that

[tall torrent]

Never been true

Fire shotgun’s special shots being able to infinitely penetrate walls originally was overpowered

Everything else about them have been lacklustre until now

I rly hope they get the major buffs they deserve in 11 days

[stuck tree]

am i too censored

[grand perch]

id add laspistols to this

[tall torrent]

Kinda

I wish they were better tho

Mk X needs some buffs

[grand perch]

i use it all the time in havoc 40 i think its great

[void dragon]

@tall torrent small question, you know if is possible for the Hsword to kill crushers in 4 hits on non havoc? i think someone said that it was possible but im not buying it

[tall torrent]

If u damage juice and crit 4 times and take rending stuff maybe

Idk I don’t play like that or build veteran like that

[void dragon]

yeah that sounds quite ideal and void room

[narrow frost]

speaking of

testing it

so 6 for this build but I didnt get any crits

crits might make it 5

also missed the head once

[tall torrent]

helbore 3a

[grand perch]

based

you know, come to think of it, its a bit weird cleave doesnt increase at all with a charged shot

[tall torrent]

I scrapped gunner and shotgunner stagger breakpoint for minor stagger

Ultimately they don’t matter that much

Minor stagger now only includes trapper, both bombers and both flamers

They’re by far the most impactful “easier to stagger” enemies

Major stagger is the same as before
Crusher
Bulwark
Reaper
Mutant
Scab mauler
Both ragers

[fresh dome]

Started playing Infiltration veteran it is very enjoyable with the bleed grenade and bolter you can really melt hordes or bulwarks/crusher + your always there to revive an allies mid horde with stealth

You can also do objectives while stealth

[edgy dew]

can some one remind me what the recon meta talent build is pretty plz?

https://i.gyazo.com/ac5b451e5ea343d3f8339e8a81d52b85.jpg

is it this?

[steep flower]

Hahah! And ppl doubted Falter blessing on Helbore and yet it has those nice breakpoints on such important targets like Reapers! Gj Path; keep number crunching

[steep flower]

Lol no, WS is not for recons really

[steep flower]

Would show you my build but i’m at work now

[topaz lance]

I hope they finally buff VoC in the next patch. The plasma gun needs help too.
They should nerf all other guns and abilities the vet has to make up for it.
Also, just delete any melee weapon except the dueling sword.

[steep flower]

Stop the cap

[topaz lance]

Ok fine we can also keep the rashad axe (which has been almost OP for a looong time).

[steep flower]

I understand you might be bald under that cap but GET IT OFF

[gilded wraith]

What we clearly need to do is nerf vet. Definitely the dominant class in Havoc.

[steep flower]

For sure; ogryn can’t keep up

[gilded wraith]

Poor oggies

[topaz lance]

Well, shout needs a nerf for sure. DS needs a nerf. Plasma too. That's about it.
Ogryn needs more of a holistic nerf.

[gilded wraith]

So... nerfing the primary vet build in havoc when it's the 3rd best class in havoc.

[topaz lance]

My feeling is that they won't be nerfing anything anyways. Fatshark is scared of backlash.
They also won't buff anything since they have PTSD from when certain skills/weapons were OP.

[topaz lance]

Game should not be balanced around havoc.

[gilded wraith]

If I thought they'd balance other weapons/talents I'd be all for it.

As it is, I suspect they'll nerf all three and getting a havoc slot will be a nightmare.

The low effort fix will probably be the one they pick.

[topaz lance]

The game needs a big balance patch, that's for sure.

[hollow ibex]

too bad they weren't more scared when they made soyker and ogryn op as fuck lol

[steep flower]

Oh so you were actualy serious…

[topaz lance]

I mean yeah of course. The things I mentioned are blatantly OP. If you slightly buff alternatives, it would leave the class in a better state balance-wise.

Good to hear that they're at least buffing shotguns (I am assuming this is the combat shotties only, not the DB). Vigilant autoguns and shredder pistol are two other weapon classes that need a buff. Melee.... I don't even know where to start.

[severe finch]

do we know if any of the current guns are gonna be on the arbites? (id assume there are but any confirmation offically yet?)

[hollow ibex]

yes

but no official confirmation

which ones

[severe finch]

okay

[rancid egret]

Are they gonna ever increase the character slot limit?

[severe finch]

doubt it but we will see how many people complain about it when the arbites drop

[gilded wraith]

My thoughts, begging for nerfs in the hopes of receiving buffs is far more likely to leave the class fukked for an extended period then any other outcome.

[severe finch]

i only have 1 each so it dont bother me

[rancid egret]

Hmm.. I might only be able to create 2 Arbites characters then for now. I was planning to make 3, but I wanna keep my wholesome and humble Veteran and Ogryn. Lol

[gilded wraith]

Surprised it's not part of the deluxe package.

[steep flower]

And there it is; buffing other things than nerfing; thats the way. The main issue is not abilities themselves tho; its the gameplay and the sheer amount of enemies around you and that won’t change… so all i can say is cope

[rancid egret]

I dropped Psyker and Zealot though. Keeping the 5th slot free in hopes of Black Templar or Sister of Battle class archetypes later on. Wishful thinking, but I can dream. Lol

[hollow ibex]

pretty sure they confirmed an increase of character slots already

[severe finch]

oh did they offically?

would be cool

[hollow ibex]

i believe strawhat or kitefin confirmed

because that was a big question when arbites was annnounced

[rancid egret]

Oh, my bad. Cool

[topaz lance]

Here's the thing: I'd prefer them to nerf the obviously OP stuff and do nothing else to not nerf anything at all.

[rancid egret]

Oops, I gave my Psyker and Zealot the bolter for no reason then. Lmfao

It is what it is.

Psyker getting bolter is understandable though, lore accurate and immersion.

[gilded wraith]

I'm guilty of abusing the character slot mod. Nice to have for the console folk though.

[pseudo fiber]

Look in the pinned messages dang it

[pseudo fiber]

There was the PC gamer article which just mentioned all currently shared weapons being on them

Which isn't shocking really

[severe finch]

okay so ill atleast have a few guns to pass over progress then

[pseudo fiber]

I believe the PCgamesM article also corroborated this

[gilded wraith]

Plasma doesn't offend me more than rumbler. DS doesn't offend me more than karsolas. The cult like repetition in reddit probably isn't going to change that. Sadly I don't think there's much love for vet among the playtesters or the devs so probably in for a bleak year class wise.

[sharp epoch]

vet is just the kerillian of dt overhated for no reason

[gilded wraith]

Slug shotty buff might put a smile on my face though.

[pseudo fiber]

Well shotguns are getting a buff

[gilded wraith]

It got deemed the low skill class by the cool kids... who are now ironically maining Ogryn in their videos.

[hollow ibex]

it's always funny seeing ogryn mains tryign to play other classes

"why do i keep dying"

[topaz lance]

Oh, Ogryn needs balance changes too for sure. But I am a vet main that's why I care more about this class' balance.

[gilded wraith]

I'd trade corner peak for the default ogryn passives so quickly.

[gilded wraith]

Ogryn was just released in that state. The consensus of the devs and the playtesters of where a class should be. I'm not holding my breath for orgyn or psyker to get balanced.

[topaz lance]

Looking forward to this too. One of my favorite weapons to use with my preferred talents (exe stance + WS).

[hollow ibex]

seeing how the devs played in the arbites gameplay video, i can absolutely see why ogryn is balanced the way it is

[gilded wraith]

Who's that guy sitting down over there?

99% chance one or more of them were running scanner mods. Notice the odd lack of highlight on the scanner target when in range with the scanners?

[pseudo fiber]

A lot of the playtesters said it was overtuned actually

[gilded wraith]

I don't expect an ogryn change. I do expect vet nerfs. Mister E has been "remarkably" prophetic.

[topaz lance]

I think releasing stuff overtuned is an easy way to get everyone engaged, even if it's just a balance patch.
It's like "oh this is actually doing something!". I get that, but then not balancing it afterwards is not good for the game in the long run imo.
I think the Helldivers backlash scared all game developers in Sweden or something.

[topaz lance]

Did he talk about balance change predictions in a video?

[gilded wraith]

Shout, ds, plasma nerfs have all recently been his clickbaits.

[topaz lance]

Ah yes got it. Well, we can only wait but I also don't expect them to do very much in terms of balancing with the Arbites release.

[pseudo fiber]

I do hope they nerf DS and shout though frfr

[sharp epoch]

ogryn and psyker are a lot more busted than shout plasma tbh

[gilded wraith]

I'm curious to see the new class balance on release.

[pseudo fiber]

I do want them to nerf plasmas uncharged shots too because that weapon is fucking boring

[gilded wraith]

I'd rather just have 90% of my options be havoc viable without a team carry. Then they can start tweaking.

I remember watching ogryn struggle to get a havoc invite. I'd rather not have that experience become the norm for vets.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean that started because of false community expectations even if every havoc 40 I did with pre rework Ogryn was fine

My first havoc 40 had an ogryn actually

And that was like 4 days after release

Did you know Ogryn also had the highest win rate in havoc before the rework

[gilded wraith]

Actually I did. Hard to judge it though. Was it only badass ogryn that stuck with it to that level?

[topaz lance]

Balancing around havoc is not how this game should be balanced 🙂

[gilded wraith]

And yet, is probably a consideration.

[pseudo fiber]

I still think the main balancing point is damnation but it's clear when testing new things the play testers do play havoc 40

Full arbites only havoc 40 rubs have been done using Arbites weapons

So I have faith in the play testers

[hollow ibex]

the same testers that gave us newgryn?

[gilded wraith]

I have faith in them, I just don't necessarily know if their hopes for vet match my hopes for vet.

I think there's a pretty solid chance we're the 4th best ranged class in the game come the 23rd, and that annoys me.

[pseudo fiber]

The same testers that gave newgyrn yes

[topaz lance]

Arbites seems kinda close-ranged focussed, but I wouldn't be surprised if his exclusive weapons are busted on release.

[hollow ibex]

then you're putting your faith in the wrong fucking people lol

[pseudo fiber]

I've heard the shotgun is very very good

[topaz lance]

all around good news for shotty enjoyers at least!

[pseudo fiber]

Which is why literally every play tester was confused by the gameplay showcase yesterday

[hollow ibex]

tbf the gameplay tells us very little about strength of the class or its weapons

[gilded wraith]

My basic plan is to only reopen the wallet once I'm confident that a thought out class rework for zealot and vet are on the horizon.

And I have no clue why that ended up a reply.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean we know zealot is in the future and Vet doesn't a full tree rework to the extent of zealot just some good squishing and touch ups

[hollow ibex]

vet needs a full tree rework, just not in the same way zealot does

[gilded wraith]

I think leftside keystone is a mess still. Yep, I'll wait till after zealot. Toss peek, make survivalist a class innate.

[topaz lance]

Is stealth in a good spot? Never bothered much with it, especially not lately.

I like exe stance how it is, though it's of course outclassed 100x by OP shout

[gilded wraith]

Not really, at least compared to Zealot's version.

[topaz lance]

I guess that's why I see it used very rarely

[onyx sage]

is the plasma gun good for veteran?

[pseudo fiber]

Very good

[stuck tree]

doing the double barrel cat zoomies vet build

[fiery ledge]

Killshot ready pennance takes SOOO LONG LOL🤣

[fiery ledge]

The what

[normal bay]

Probably my least favourite penance in the game

[stuck tree]

cat

[steep flower]

Welp; i guess i will be showing ppl that vet ain’t that bleak as they portrait him

To the willing & doubtful ofc

[fiery ledge]

Literally this im just crouch walking when i see the hordes🤣🤣

Im getting like 300 a mission but like fuck its slow

[steep flower]

Its argubiably better for what stealth was intended to do in-game than shroudfield; lets not forget about the augments & general talents on both classes & builds you can make with them - it never is just 1 abilitys fault; its the mixture of them that make things as ppl like to abuse that word; OP

[delicate copper]

Hi, can someone help me out with a meta havoc build please? 🙂

[steep flower]

As in? Class? Weapons? Perks? Blessings? Curios? Talents?

[delicate copper]

ah sorry i mean talents

[steep flower]

For vet i pressume

[delicate copper]

yes

[steep flower]

Well it depends on weapons & abilities you use

[pseudo fiber]

At least you can use melee kills

[steep flower]

Its never that simple

[fiery ledge]

WAIT YOU CAN?!

[normal bay]

Pretending you're a ratling as you crouch in melee

Just mag dump recon into horde

[fiery ledge]

Thats what ive been doing. But your saying i could also hack their ankles and it counts?!

[normal bay]

You'll still want to aim for headshots, to ensure you get as many kills as you can but yes. Melee counts

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it's just 2500 kills at 10 stacks not ranged kills

So get 10 stacks and powersword

[fiery ledge]

The pennance just says kills not headshots

[midnight wyvern]

didn't seem so in the preview, but probably a white weapon with no blessings

[grand perch]

Based individuals do that penance with Vigi autoguns in normal play

[normal bay]

Correct but most weapons want headshots for efficient killing or your teammates will steal them

[fiery ledge]

Fair enough

Hadnt thought of it like that. Shame bolt gun doesnt pierce through more ofnthem would
Make it faster🤣

[stuck tree]

le knife and bubble daryl shotgun build

[pseudo fiber]

It doesn't even seem to be empowered

[agile forge]

@fiery ledge Try with an infantry autogun. Use executioners stance to make it easier to get the headshots too

MF with an IAG actually feels strong

[fiery ledge]

Bet ill do that

Ty

[midnight wyvern]

I honestly hope it wasn't lol

I want it to be good

[pseudo fiber]

#theorycrafting message

Straight from the playtesters

[topaz lance]

Is it actually confirmed that we get a shot pistol without shield?

[pseudo fiber]

I don't believe so no

[pallid jetty]

i just saw the russian translation of vets "CLOSE AND KILL!"

i hate it so much

they translated it in context of closing like closing in a box or in a room

[topaz lance]

Ah ok. Well here's hoping they'll add it.

[midnight wyvern]

[midnight wyvern]

^

[crude wind]

Can confirm

Shotgun is very good

[steep flower]

They already are underrated

Now that they gonna ‚buff’ them… damn; ‚I used shotguns before they were cool’ type shit

[crude wind]

I meant the new one

[topaz lance]

The slug shotty was my favorite weapon before they implemented talent trees.

[steep flower]

Ofc; they have to make new paid content good otherwise it would not sell

[crude wind]

I think people will be pleasantly surprised by Arbites

[steep flower]

I’m personally thrilled about arc mines he has

[crimson pebble]

lawbringer users on suicide watch

[crude wind]

You will see 🙂

[steep flower]

Remind me which C. Shotgun it was?

[crude wind]

Zarona

It's called now

[crimson pebble]

the one that shoots horizontal

[hollow ibex]

Double barrel buffs when

[steep flower]

Ah the dogshit one yeah it is

[crude wind]

Time changes all things eh

[steep flower]

Yeah the worst one

If only the radius of the special was bigger or had better cleave

[crimson pebble]

new arbites looks to basically be shooting its special horizontal as its normal

[crimson pebble]

manstopper moment

[steep flower]

Inpractical; tried making it work but its extremelly mid even on damnation

[neat stratus]

I built a pc, now I can actually play darktide among other games and not die of 1080p 40fps

[steep flower]

Primary fire is good tho but then again why not use fire shotty or slug one instead?

[steep flower]

You will ride eternal; Shiny and Chrome!

[tame lodge]

Because fire shotty is currently the worse one

[steep flower]

Lmao no

[tame lodge]

Lmao yes

Low fire rate l

Low ammo pool

Worse fall off

[crude wind]

Grats! Best feeling!

[sleek garden]

The new shotgun just looks like it but better

but maybe no long range sniper 2 shot

[neat stratus]

This is the first one I've built all on my own too, super happy I got it to work

[steep flower]

For you; many weapons shot slow and yet are good despite it; ammo is managable, fall dmg is the biggest downgrade but thats the only real bad thing

[neat stratus]

Best believe I prayed to the Omnissiah every step of the way and only had to plug the 24 pin in a bit more

[tame lodge]

Nope not for me

[crude wind]

My current was my first build at well. And it did have issues. Which I eventually figured out, a full year later, was a faulty RAM chip

[steep flower]

Yet you say it is; go use some plasma

[crude wind]

The hours of agonising that I'd done something wrong

[sleek garden]

Zarona needs help too it shouldn't take 3 shotgun blasts to the chest to kill a maniac rager

[steep flower]

[crude wind]

All because of a faulty component

[tame lodge]

What does plasma has to do with This?

[sleek garden]

The first one knocks him to the floor and then the next shot you literally put it in his jaw and fire and he still needs an extra sho

[neat stratus]

I'm sorry, I was horrified it'd happen to me

[tame lodge]

We're talking about shotguns

[crude wind]

Well fingers crossed it doesn't! And if it does, check your components before assuming you've done something wrong XD

[supple stag]

Agripinaa shotgun my beloved

[sleek garden]

however

Lawbringer can do some crazy boss damage

At least to slugs

[steep flower]

Slug opening bulwarks is chefs kiss

[neat stratus]

Oh and here's what not plugging in the 24 pin well enough does

Yeah not fun

Usually you don't want your pc to look like a rave

[steep flower]

Just use fire shotty; stack 10 burn stacks with 2 shells then hit the head with primary

[steep flower]

Or if youre crazy stack crit chance on agri and use flechette

[sleek garden]

But I want spreadshot

[tame lodge]

Like why would I pick the one with the worst elite/specialist prowess

[sleek garden]

also Zarona primary fire is super tight for some reason

Still heartbreaking to not 2 tap ragers

[steep flower]

I wish it was better tho; the endgame does not support such playstyle of using spreadshots to mow down hordes of any kind

[sleek garden]

I just don't play havoc

I want to use variety

I don't want to use plasma rapier

[sonic kayak]

Always the fucking RAM

[sleek garden]

Auric maelstrom I'll get lucky and knock off 6 shooter heads in one shot

[steep flower]

Weapon is 1 thing; build making and utilizing every asset is another. Played alot of games with it in havoc on vet; perfectly viable and thriving but you do you

[tame lodge]

💀

Or you could use the same build for all the combat shotguns

And perform better with the better shotgun

Because it's better

[steep flower]

I use shotgun & chainaxe in havoc as vet and its perfectly fine

[steep flower]

Could use agri but i choose accatran cause of fire slug & specific ‚rythm’ it has when you use it

[tame lodge]

Still the worst shotgun of the 3

🤷

[steep flower]

And yet it thrives in my hands in endgame? I dunno man

Must have been the wind

[tame lodge]

Really? That's all you have to say

Yeah the convo is over

Nice talk

🫡

[steep flower]

‚Poor craftsman blames their tools’

[topaz lance]

Bolt action rifle for vet when?
Make it fire slugs.

[tame lodge]

That's just the Vigilant 7

[steep flower]

Dunno about lore but do astra militarum use bolt action rifles? Apart from lasguns?

[topaz lance]

Hm kinda true. Vigilants need a buff. A big one.

[topaz lance]

Probably somewhere.

[steep flower]

Recoil is the problem really

[hollow ibex]

The maniac ADMs are really annoying

[steep flower]

Don’t forget the reload speed considering how much you have to shoot

[grand perch]

you are extremely concerned about reload speed arent you

vigi reload speed is very much average

[steep flower]

I’m a chronic reloader; no joke actually

Thats just me

[unreal nova]

In before someone says you are getting carried by others.

[sleek garden]

Worst feeling is needing a fresh mag mid horde as you see a special rush you

[candid harness]

I've seen what that man can do with the fire shotgun

Hundreds of games most likely, we've played together since near the game's release

If he can't get you off his lawn with a shotgun, he pulls out the boltgun lawnmower-

[nimble wadi]

God I should have never tried dueling sword

Now I’m spoiled

[tame lodge]

Get dueling sword'd

[unreal nova]

RIP.

[unreal nova]

Ppl dunno the need to just reload after 1 shot.

[steep flower]

Lets carry each other

[steep flower]

Its painful

[unreal nova]

Nu, you two carry me.

[unreal nova]

I know. Then the worst thing happens, a trapper shows up mid reload so you throw two 'nades at her.

The just go away and die already situation.

[supple laurel]

what yall say specialists is worth taking over maniac for chainsword?

[tame lodge]

Just shoot while reloading

[tame lodge]

Most specialists are maniacs

It's a 25% increase instead of 10%

[supple laurel]

oh

think i might take superiority complex over rending strikes as well for it

[sharp topaz]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Superiority complex is a good pick

[supple laurel]

actually no im just gonna use plasma instead of recon with onslaught

and then take rending and superiority complex

man i wish onslaught wasnt in such a horrible spot lmao

[crimson pebble]

if it wasnt itd be in nearly every build

[vivid silo]

Is rending that useful for Plasma? It's only the Carapace modifier that is below 100%

[supple laurel]

was taking rending for chainsword

not plasma

[vivid silo]

Ahhhh, makes sense

Yeah those babies can defintely use it

[supple laurel]

still

[west latch]

If you have an attack that triggers rending, it will only affect the subsequent attack right?

[hollow ibex]

i don't think so, at least if other rending blessings work like hand cannon

hand cannon applies on the same hit

[west latch]

Ok, that's good to know

[grand perch]

uncanny strike doesnt apply for the first hit

only subsequent

[sleek garden]

2 shots didn't kill that bruiser lol

Hit them with the phantom blast

Why do people say onslaught is bad now

just take it with fast firing weapons

[tame lodge]

That's just psykers breakpoints

You can see that I had no stacks of DD

Also about Onslaught

It's just really optional

Applying brittleness that fast is cool

[unreal forge]

is onslaught the brittleness on shot talent?

[tame lodge]

It's just that most weapons won't need it/weird spot on the tree

[unreal forge]

even with it the recon is still really bad at killing crushers no?

[unreal nova]

Stacking brittleness on attack.

[unreal nova]

Because recon is not made for shooting them.

[unreal forge]

I remember trying it and it was wholly unimpressive

yeah might as well not bother

[west latch]

Yeah any gun without penetration will have a hard time killing carapace armors

Speaking of

[unreal nova]

It's literally just a malice meme thing if you wanna brrrrrrr every crusher.

[west latch]

If you headshot a mauler/crusher, does it still count as weakpoint hit, even if your weapon doesn't penetrate it?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[sleek garden]

I advise using heavy attacks so you can at least do 100 damage

You'd only need to hit it 50 times

[steep flower]

Not only on shot; melee too

[sleek garden]

Pre-parry rework on the devils claw the mk1 devils claw was far and away the worst carapace killer

[grand perch]

who needs scopes when good ol irons will do

[sleek garden]

Does anyone else have issues viewing videos on mobile

I can't even see the ones I upload

[steep flower]

Vids, pictures; yeah same but this time i see the vid

[grand perch]

no typically. in one singular instance i couldnt play a vid on mobile

[sleek garden]

I only hear the audio

[grand perch]

which is interesting cause this one doesnt have audio

[sleek garden]

I can hear the bang but I only see black😔

Huh

Maybe I clicked on a different video before

that's another issue mobile has but it isn't just discord

[steep flower]

Censored by infantry lasgun haters

[sleek garden]

Sometimes audio just loops even if you swap channels or leave the video and keep scrolling

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah it happens

If you download it it'll give codec error or whatever so only audio

[sleek garden]

I want to see

[tame lodge]

It happens consistently with Cousin Okris videos

[steep flower]

The void itself

[sleek garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/bn02PPRCWK

hard read

[steep flower]

Le kick

[grand perch]

kick is the most dangerous melee attack i swear

[sleek garden]

The specialist kicks in this game are diabolical

50 toughness/HP and pushback

And they can spam surprisingly fast

[steep flower]

I wish trapper gf would kick me like that

[sleek garden]

it's funny the devils claw parries it

[grand perch]

NO! bad