you can still ulti parry on zealot
#veteran-class
narrow frost
you just parry them
neon current
you have 3s to parry after you ulti
tropic notch
neon current
but like I said, the idea of weapons having a weakness went right outta window with ogryn rework
where even the worst dmg weapon have 60% base carapace pen
and is literally the meta, cuz ogryn just does too much fuckin dmg with zero effort required
faint beacon
This is why we're calling for a mass ogryn nerf
hollow ibex
and is literally the meta, cuz ogryn just does too much fuckin dmg with zero eff...
While being fucking invincible 
hearty panther
ill still see ogryns drop in regular Damnation though which is funny
grizzled pebble
ill still see ogryns drop in regular Damnation though which is funny
sry was me
candid agate
This is why we're calling for a mass ogryn nerf
nah man rumbler + PBB ogryn is balanced
midnight totem
is it me, or did they break the power sword "buff"
where it doesn't lose charge if you get hit
tropic notch
@loud belfry ur so mean
loud belfry
nimble wadi
Does the crit damage perk on recon laz make any noticeable difference
steep flower
Does the crit damage perk on recon laz make any noticeable difference
nah
candid agate
definitely not
narrow frost
Does the crit damage perk on recon laz make any noticeable difference
It doesn't on any weapon
It's badly calculated
nimble wadi
👍🏻
sharp epoch
nah man rumbler + PBB ogryn is balanced
muted peak
what is duelling sword used for?
faint beacon
nah man rumbler + PBB ogryn is balanced
Fair and balanced as all classes should be
sharp epoch
what is duelling sword used for?
poking thingies
muted peak
poking thingies
not helpful
narrow frost
what is duelling sword used for?
Highest mobility melee weapon with insane single target damage
Going to get nerfed soon
slow spade
dueling sword is a toothpick
muted peak
so its for single killing?
slow spade
trust me UwU
steep flower
Going to get nerfed soon
official or predicting?
tame lodge
so its for single killing?
Yes, but it has safe horde clearing
last marten
Going to get nerfed soon
x to doubt 😠
tame lodge
4.5 cleave on those lights
faint beacon
this is why Im using Focus Target the most now
supple laurel
i just slap stamina regen on my curios and generally speaking i do fine
faint beacon
Mainly this but Riderect if im feeling special today
Im using Taxe 7 so I'll take any and all Stamina increases
steep flower
Im using Taxe 7 so I'll take any and all Stamina increases
mah man knows
faint beacon
Taxe 7 is good on Veteran but Psyker and Zealot make it better
so it feels "Weak"
its incredibly fun so im not gonna drop it
hearty panther
took me a while to vibe with the 7
didnt help it was borked for a while
with the anims or w/e
fringe meteor
@narrow frost The build you recommended is popping off hard so far,thanks <3
fading yarrow
I've been playing quite a bit of Ogryn, Zealot and Psyker recently and, well, dayum
Vet really is the weakest class, huh
crude star
😔
slow spade
ironically I've been playing Ogryn and I keep thinking "if I was a vet, this would have been a breeze"
quiet valley
quiet valley
ok 👍
fading yarrow
I wish I could see how much playtime I had as each class on console
slow spade
a shame they don't let you see your char stats
personally wish I saw how many kills I have :c
fading yarrow
Same
Actually, yes you can lol
Just go to your Purge the Heretic penance
Unless you mean per character, in which case, fair enough
Anyway
Been playing Vet for as long as DT has been on Xbox and man, I just simply cannot imagine Vet ever having as much DPS as the other three beyond maybe a Shouty Shredder nade build
crude wind
I play everything and enjoy everything (Psyker less so) but Vet is my guy. I always come back to him
Having said that I'll be playing a shit ton of Arbites
He is very fun
hearty panther
tell me more
fading yarrow
Having said that I'll be playing a shit ton of Arbites
Same on both counts
crude wind
I cannot say a thing about Arbites other than he's great fun and I've really enjoyed all the time I have with him. Gonna be lurking on here come release to see how you all react 🙂
fading yarrow
Oh wait I missed that last bit lmao, you were a playtester then?
crude wind
Yessir
fading yarrow
fading yarrow
hearty panther
oh where'd all your youtube stuff go
crude wind
I stopped YouTube in 2024 mate. It was a very sad time for Darktide then
I might start back up again post Arbites
Would like to help new players learn the game so they stay 🙂
hearty panther
but like
deleted your stuff?
i remembered your shotgun video
and cant find it any longer
but yeah doing darktide youtube is pretty rough, most people just wanna be told what to click, not so much on the how things work
wind cave
What gun did you guys use for Make Every Shot Count? I'm assuming revolver is easiest
dry cloak
What gun did you guys use for Make Every Shot Count? I'm assuming revolver is ea...
shotguns are easiest
wind cave
shotguns are easiest
I didn't even think of that. As long as some pellets hit, accuracy goes up?
dry cloak
I didn't even think of that. As long as some pellets hit, accuracy goes up?
as long as one pellet hits it considered accurate
fading yarrow
What gun did you guys use for Make Every Shot Count? I'm assuming revolver is ea...
Revolver, plasma, boltgun, anything with a low ammo pool
dry cloak
revolver is a safe bet
hearty panther
so doing it intentionally it has to be the best
fading yarrow
Just magdump hordes and point-blank bosses, shrimple
slow spade
also helps if you take off Survivalist
narrow frost
Shotgun easiest overall with the pellets only needing 1 to hit
wind cave
Very sweet. Glad I asked, I didn't even think about shotgun. Need to make sure I don't have a talent that reloads ammo tho. lol
I'm not even working on the penance right now, just figured I'd ask
tall torrent
@narrow frost if u got time
review the ranged weapons' sections in my guide, the overview pros/cons tables
lemme know if anything u feel should be changed/expanded
tough mason
can someone tell me which keystone is the one where it procs reload on vet?
Would be appreciated
slow spade
can someone tell me which keystone is the one where it procs reload on vet?
Weapon Specialist + 1 upgrade node
tough mason
is it the always prepared one?
slow spade
I think it's called Always Prepared (not to be confused with the +25% ammo node also called Always prepared)
slow spade
is it the always prepared one?
yup
tough mason
alright I got the right one then thanks
tough mason
trying to make a stupid double barrel build yes
infiltrate and double barrel is very funny
narrow frost
review the ranged weapons' sections in my guide, the overview pros/cons tables
Okay, can do now
tall torrent
Okay, can do now
starting from infantry lasgun IIb to plasma gun II
narrow frost
starting from infantry lasgun IIb to plasma gun II
1st thing I noticed would suppression sway on weapons be considered?
like infantry las sucks if you get suppressed
tall torrent
1st thing I noticed would suppression sway on weapons be considered?
oh yea forgot abt that
narrow frost
I'll write a notepad
frank gyro
how do do you animation cancel boltgun reload?
crude wind
and cant find it any longer
I don't think I deleted anything but maybe the channel went dormant or something. And yeah, DT YouTube is a hard gig. No money in it really and if you state an opinion on something you get dragged over hot coals. But I still had fun doing it
sonic kayak
just fixed those 3
Looks good 
tall torrent
Looks good <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
but u don’t even have access yet
sonic kayak
Do I? 
narrow frost
1: helbore melee, a pro?
2: recon not cleaving, con
3: Recon XIV and Bolter both have low cleave in pro? isn't it con?
4: Maybe a mentioned that ranged weapons aren't meant to spam into horde so most of them having low cleave makes it not ammo efficient
5: Braced con, vulnerable while braced (being hit knocks you out of brace)
6: Bolter pro, very high skill cap (with all the techniques like if you unscope to reset the recoil after every shot)
7: Anti bulwark for combat shotgun (special shell all stagger bulwarks) for pro?
8: Is minimum pellet count mentioned for shotguns? Dbarrel can 2 shot snipers from 100meters, combat shotguns can still 2 shot most specials from most ranged
@tall torrent
what I saw
some of my ideas mix
my bad
tall torrent
1: helbore melee, a pro?
2: recon not cleaving, con
3: Recon XIV and Bolter bo...
Low cleave just means it has some cleave that is low
narrow frost
some weapons have it as pro
tall torrent
some weapons have it as pro
Yes
long dove
Is mobility the dump stat for the MkI Sapper Shovel?
tall torrent
Because it is low cleave that can go through enemies
Most weapons have 1.5 and can’t cleave through anything
Hence they’re not even mentioned as “con”
Ex: Recon XIV has 3 cleave which is low, and can go through specialists
native ocean
Could the weapons with 1.5 cleave just be described as "zero effective cleave", for clarity's sake?
tall torrent
1: helbore melee, a pro?
2: recon not cleaving, con
3: Recon XIV and Bolter bo...
Min pellet count is there for shotguns, the overview pro/con is meant to be a super basic overview
tall torrent
Could the weapons with 1.5 cleave just be described as "zero effective cleave", ...
No because it is mentioned below
The pro/con section is meant to be a super basic introduction into what it’s good at and what it’s not good at
native ocean
I see
hearty panther
recon xiv had such a brief moment in the sun
wasnt even that bright in said moment but it had something going on lmao
neon current
I use 6C a lot on both vet and zealot, super solid all-rounder
14 just eats too much ammo for my taste
neon current
6C is so ammo efficient, it's hard for me to play the other 2 instead
yea, the 6c is what the mg12 used to be
the best all-rounder outside of dealing with carapace
hearty panther
12 is just a bit too slow for me
neon current
mg12 lasgun I mean
the OG
don't even know what it's called anymore
mk 9 apparently
hearty panther
man i don't know anymore
hollow ibex
quite the glow up from being the Recon II
All the casuals run XII, sweats run VIc
hearty panther
ye
its just funny since the recon 2 was categorically the worst weapon in the game bar none
for basically the entire game's lifespan until the recon reworks
and now its a pretty top tier contender
hollow ibex
its just funny since the recon 2 was categorically the worst weapon in the game ...
That's the current VIc?
tall torrent
It’s gonna take me a long time to do stagger charts but I think it’ll be worth it
hearty panther
and i think 12 became 14 or something idk i hate the renames
tall torrent
At least with radar charts being scrapped I don’t rly have to use the word document anymore
Learnt a lot about stagger today
hearty panther
what was learned: i don't know shit about stagger
tall torrent
The fact that power sword technically does less stagger with activated heavy attack than normal heavy attack
Is quite funny
tame lodge
Could the weapons with 1.5 cleave just be described as "zero effective cleave", ...
Nuh uh
It cleaves Groaners (1.25 mass)
pallid jetty
The fact that power sword technically does less stagger with activated heavy att...
actually makes sence
tame lodge
Used to be 1 according to my notes
hearty panther
pure. science.
void dragon
One man shall not question the refined craftsmanship of the Omnissiah
native ocean
It cleaves Groaners (1.25 mass)
ohh i see
hearty panther
yea hit masses got reworked a little while back
it was pretty silly that bruisers had more mass than shotgunners
slow spade
by making them all have a lot more mass :c
can no longer cleave through like 5 shotgunners in 1 swing 😔
hollow ibex
can no longer cleave through like 5 shotgunners in 1 swing 😔
Lol those were the days. Seeing the scoreboard light up
slow spade
Lol those were the days. Seeing the scoreboard light up
the dopamine hit of killing a shotgunner patrol UwU
very rude DH spawn :c
severe zinc
I used to have issues with hordes of maulers getting in my face, since I use a sniper/sharpshooter build… thank the emperor for the shovel and its staggers
open ravine
very rude DH spawn :c
Demon hosts are a non issue if you have the DPS
open ravine
I used to have issues with hordes of maulers getting in my face, since I use a s...
Run kraks
They are great oh shit resolvers
severe zinc
I do heavy attacks extremely quick, and every other hit staggers everything but the biggest enemies
open ravine
Why not use the spike variant
It's move set ain't bad and the special kills armoured quick enough
severe zinc
Why not use the spike variant
I’m not going for single strikes. With my build I need crowd control for my melee
I able to kill crushers with 2 charged shots from my lasgun, 3 if I get extremely unlucky and don’t manage to crit
open ravine
I’m not going for single strikes. With my build I need crowd control for my mele...
I find maul works great for that especially if you get it geared towards shock
severe zinc
I find maul works great for that especially if you get it geared towards shock
Yeah but I don’t think the maul does enough damage unless you charge it right?
open ravine
Yeah but I don’t think the maul does enough damage unless you charge it right?
Nah maul does great damage
severe zinc
rose aurora
What veteran weapons good at both clearing and elites. I’ve been using the recon lasgun and feel like I do no damage
severe zinc
Nah maul does great damage
Alr I tried out the shock maul, it definitely does more damage, but it still doesn’t have as good of crowd control as the classic shovel
rose aurora
I’m also in the low: mid levels tough so maybe that’s it
uncut pebble
That's why.
open ravine
Alr I tried out the shock maul, it definitely does more damage, but it still doe...
Are you using the crowd control version
rose aurora
Is it bad 😭
uncut pebble
Also don't use guns to clear hordes.
Waste of ammo unless you use the specific model for it.
open ravine
Their is one focus target one and one crowd control
rose aurora
Ohh okay
uncut pebble
Brown recon is the one that you want for crowds.
Still sort of a waste of ammo, but sustainable if you use shock trooper.
open ravine
What veteran weapons good at both clearing and elites. I’ve been using the recon...
The braced auto gun, plasma and bolters
rose aurora
Still sort of a waste of ammo, but sustainable if you use shock trooper.
Yeah the mk XIV or whatvere
severe zinc
Plasma can do both, a single shot clears out a large section of walkers, charge it and you can 1-2 shot crushers if you min max. Plus it goes right through the shield ogryns
uncut pebble
Plasma can do both, a single shot clears out a large section of walkers, charge ...
Only does like 33% damage to bulwarks through their shield though.
rose aurora
The braced auto gun, plasma and bolters
I don’t think I’ve tried the brace auto I’ll give that a go
open ravine
I liked the bolter but the plasma felt so clunky
It is a learning weapon but once learnt is one of if not the best weapons in the game
rose aurora
Is it still automatic
rose aurora
How’s it different from a regular auto gun
open ravine
How’s it different from a regular auto gun
Focus on crowd control and close combat but if you get the heavy version it can deal with about everything
Just don't expect to snipe anything with it
severe zinc
Only does like 33% damage to bulwarks through their shield though.
But if you aren’t able to sneak around the bulwarks to hit their vulnerable sides, it’s better than nothing. Especially because there IS nothing else that can go through the shield
rose aurora
Focus on crowd control and close combat but if you get the heavy version it can ...
Ohh that’s sounds fire
fallen vale
which shotgun works best?
formal ice
which shotgun works best?
Make yourself more clear
You mean the good one or the bad one?
open ravine
which shotgun works best?
Fire shotgun but in general they need a buff across the board as they kinda all suck damage wise
fallen vale
You mean the good one or the bad one?
as in between the combat shotgun or the double barrel, had mediocre results with both
formal ice
Fire shotgun but in general they need a buff across the board as they kinda all ...
The fire spread bullet doesn't push Crushers anymore
Trash
formal ice
as in between the combat shotgun or the double barrel, had mediocre results with...
Well I mean, Double Barrel is good for clearing close hordes
Combat shotgun is bad at everything
fallen vale
Combat shotgun is bad at everything
damn but its satisfying to use
formal ice
True
But its like cigarettes
It feels good but its actually bad for you
Well you won't die from it, of course
open ravine
as in between the combat shotgun or the double barrel, had mediocre results with...
The doom shotgun need the reload blessing on alt fire to be viable in a tight squeeze but as I said damage wise the current shotguns don't cut it
formal ice
Neither get cancer
fallen vale
The doom shotgun need the reload blessing on alt fire to be viable in a tight sq...
ill just have to hope the arbites have a good shotgun then
formal ice
ill just have to hope the arbites have a good shotgun then
It has big shotgun bullets on the top, of course it will be good
Every shotgun that has it is good
uncut pebble
The doom shotgun need the reload blessing on alt fire to be viable in a tight sq...
Not true.
Vet has always prepared weapon spec.
fallen vale
thats the hope, i just feel like any weapon i run is better than shotgun and its sad because they are so cool
uncut pebble
Guaranteed manstopper + never reload every shot is op asf.
Hopefully combat shotguns receive a tuneup when Arbites drop.
nimble wadi
Chat I need help I can’t decide
narrow frost
no
nimble wadi
Please ainz
nimble wadi
Well yeah not way more
nimble wadi
Is that why you’d choose it?
neon current
yea
I like to be low econ
if you prefer to be the star of the show instead, the 12 is for you
neon current
someone has to be
nimble wadi
the slowest one
Why
neon current
it has 3 cleave
neon current
other 2 has 1.5
nimble wadi
Oh
neon current
it also uses 2 ammo per shot tho
nimble wadi
The other two are so much better than the slowest one tho
neon current
nah 14 is good, it just uses 2 ammo per shot
nimble wadi
I mean horde does extremely fast with 12 and endless ammo with crits
Plus shredder nade
Dies*
neon current
ok, are we talking auric or havoc here
cuz ammo efficiency don't matter one bit on auric
nimble wadi
I haven’t done too many havocs yet
nimble wadi
Should you even use the recon to horde clear even? I still have no idea even though it seems to work fine and really doesn’t use tons of ammo
nimble wadi
I feel like it’s faster than dueling sword still lol
tough mason
Double barrel is funny as hell with the reload keystone
I enjoy it much
shotgun , swing a bit, shotgun has one shot, unload into crowd and swing again
narrow frost
insanely good for havoc
I even made a video about it
I was using Psword and Dbarrel
tough mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo
lmao this is the exact loaodut I'm using
what are the odds
neon current
it's the only one that makes sense
apart from maybe +krak -20% stamina on swap
if you wanna use a shovel or something
supple laurel
any good carapace options come to mind besides power sword and rashad?
narrow frost
def
crisp wraith
What’s the better variant/model for the braced auto gun? Not looking for auric or havoc level stuff, just want to do masteries
tame lodge
Agripina for more damage per shot, cleave and stagger
Or Graia for brrrrrrr
You have like a thousand shots on it
crisp wraith
I’m currently levelling up the auto pistol, so I think I’ve had enough of thousands of shots, so I may go for the agripina
steep flower
defences or mobility?
Mobility; defence stands for push cost and mkIV chainaxe (the best one) combo for dealing with hordes is push att - heavy - repeat
steep flower
chaxe bloodletter
Needs thunderous or other sources of brittle to make bloodletter do more dmg; in essence - on vet it can 1 shot a crusher with a correct build, 2 shots a crusher in havoc
narrow frost
Yes
steep flower
Remember the ancient wisdom; The face is the place
grand nymph
is the plasma gun THAT much better than the other weapons such as recon lasgun?
grand nymph
Higher dps I guess
narrow frost
Then yes
It's the cleave that plasma has which makes it insane
Has the highest ranged cleave outside manstopper and infinite cleave
And can build to 1 shot elites
So 1 shot killing 5 elite gunners is more dps then a recon taking 60 bullets to kill 5 gunners
*rough numbers for the ammo
But you get the idea
grand nymph
Isn''t that strictly better than the recon then?
narrow frost
I say plasma is more broken the recon
steep flower
Not really; every weapon has its weakness or two
narrow frost
But both perform very well
grand nymph
aight ty
tall torrent
Isn''t that strictly better than the recon then?
recon is significantly easier to use
doesn't have as much headshot reliance
much better ammo sustain
crude star
whats some good melees to pair up with a helbore. Was havin a lot of fun with it in damnation and auric or whatever, but it finally got to a point where I couldn’t always just use the bayonet
hearty panther
the canonical answer is shovel
hollow ibex
whats some good melees to pair up with a helbore. Was havin a lot of fun with it...
Hsword or power sword
hearty panther
^ wrong and heretical
hollow ibex
the canonical answer is shovel
DT is not canon
hollow ibex
Maybe shovel will be the correct answer when vet gets its rework in 2030
tall torrent
DT is not canon <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
(it is)
tame lodge
hearty panther
not just uncanny
crude star
I will probably end up swapping to arbite forever when it comes out tbh. Cuz dog
hearty panther
but uncanny + skullcrusher
tame lodge
Which is even crazier because that combo should make shovel S tier
tall torrent
Then why is shovel not the correct answer smh
krieg is pretty good at dying, canonically
hollow ibex
Fair...
tropic notch
I wish the hsword was good on vet
Very fun weapon
@tall torrent how do I make the hsword good on vet
And not cope
magic aurora
it is good on vet 😠
tropic notch
Yeah I just gotta set there and cope against Cara
faint beacon
You play Bolter and thats it
magic aurora
you take the bolter with you yeah
tropic notch
You play Bolter and thats it
Oh my weapon spec
Give vet tknife so I can do what I do on zealot
magic aurora
magic aurora
yeah
tropic notch
Thought shattering impact was better
slow spade
not even close
magic aurora
its great for using it as a rifle
tropic notch
What the scallop
tall torrent
Thought shattering impact was better
not on veteran
tropic notch
I could have sworn it was changed or something
magic aurora
doesnt zealot run puncture cavalcade
tall torrent
Only on zealot?
it's only kinda relevant on zealot for 1 specific enemy
magic aurora
or even pinning fire cavalcade
tropic notch
it's only kinda relevant on zealot for 1 specific enemy
Wait so what the correct set up?
tropic notch
tall torrent
Wait so what the correct set up?
u have options
tropic notch
Oopies
slow spade
can't go wrong with some combo between Puncture, Pinning Fire, or Cavalade on Zealot
tropic notch
I can be rather silly at times
tropic notch
u have options
What do I run if I’m running bp on him?
I know that crit chance affects range
tall torrent
What do I run if I’m running bp on him?
What’s bp
magic aurora
bolt pistol
tall torrent
Piety?
magic aurora
i run bp with pinning fire cavalcade but i dont know if that's optimal or not
tropic notch
Graaahhhh
tropic notch
No maniacs?
magic aurora
you gotta dedicate your perk and blessing so you can have a 2 second faster ttk on the most dangerous enemy in the game, the crusher
magic aurora
No maniacs?
the heavy sword does ten million maniac damage at base
tropic notch
the heavy sword does ten million maniac damage at base
I know dat
But I wuv one shotting dem
magic aurora
if you want you can go unyielding + elites on the heavy sword
tropic notch
That’s possible
magic aurora
or maniac unyielding if you really wanna
tropic notch
@tall torrent show me the hsword steam guide snippet for vet
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> show me the hsword steam guide snippet for vet
it has nothing
magic aurora
hsword is a simple weapon to use tbh
tropic notch
it has nothing
tall torrent
I start with good weapons first
magic aurora
its just heavy loght heavy light
tall torrent
the the stuff that look interesting
tropic notch
I start with good weapons first
tall torrent
then the boring stuff
tropic notch
Tbh I’m just spoiled from uncanny
magic aurora
true !
people crutch on 2 shotting crushers and don't learn how to kite and play around armor
its not that bad! it's fun even!
tropic notch
And the bolter with its slow draw time throws me off from my usual Rashad revlover or knife dbarrel
Guh
Also the ds on vet is one of the most uninteresting things I’ve ever played
tall torrent
And the bolter with its slow draw time throws me off from my usual Rashad revlov...
I'd like u to know that, at some point, there was a havoc iteration where most weapons could not break rager combo
tropic notch
I'd like u to know that, at some point, there was a havoc iteration where most w...
Huh
tropic notch
Not even ps or d barrel?
Speaking of ps how the flip do I fight bons with that thang
tropic notch
Dang
tropic notch
it has nothing
Is it the same as the guide on the word doc?
tropic notch
This is the build I planned on running with it https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
Ignore the weapons
tall torrent
Is it the same as the guide on the word doc?
well I haven't started heavy sword section in steam guide
I'm trying to add stagger details to every weapon
tropic notch
tall torrent
which is a monumental task
tropic notch
How far along are you?
magic aurora
Speaking of ps how the flip do I fight bons with that thang
power up, push stab light light
tall torrent
How far along are you?
like
2 power swords done
and then every single ranged weapon needs to get changed & checked
which I haven't done
tropic notch
power up, push stab light light
Yeah I do dat or I’m running around coping
tall torrent
I scrapped the radar chart + description paragraphs
and opted for a more minimalist pros/cons table
tall torrent
it looks like this now
magic aurora
often times vet will be better off screening for the boss killer anyways
esp when you have bolter
you're good at killing the specials
hearty panther
its funny, i can pretty easily learn a weapons moveset and flow just by swinging it in the psykh for like, five, maybe ten minutes for the really complex ones
but as soon as you put it into a chart i have no fucking idea what it is, even if i know it by heart
tropic notch
it looks like this now
That’s simple still can’t wrap my head around the moveset diagram
tall torrent
That’s simple still can’t wrap my head around the moveset diagram
but that diagram is super simple
hearty panther
imagine penning the notation of someone's beautiful piano piece but when you show it to them they go "what the fuck is this?"
tropic notch
its funny, i can pretty easily learn a weapons moveset and flow just by swinging...
Tried to true this but apparently he had me blocked
hearty panther
"what are these squigglies"
tropic notch
but that diagram is super simple
Just looked at it again it’s not bad
supple laurel
the fucking pysker saying that right before dying too is pure COMEDY
tropic notch
often times vet will be better off screening for the boss killer anyways
Yeah but at the same time i always go into a match thinking that I’ll have to clutch or basically play solo
Really make me love the knife for that reason
tropic notch
tall torrent
Just looked at it again it’s not bad
guess what this is
loud belfry
some vt2 gamer is telling me the plasma gun was able to two shot bosses on damnation and it made him think the game is too easy
tropic notch
On vet?
tropic notch
Oh yeah
keen coyote
Where do people look for builds these days?
supple laurel
guess what this is
rashad
tropic notch
this is rashad axe
I completely forgot it did that
supple laurel
this is rashad axe
beat me too it 
tropic notch
What does the uppercut even do?
supple laurel
iirc it stuns shit
tropic notch
iirc it stuns shit
It does?
supple laurel
i think?
hearty panther
it does
old quail
but as soon as you put it into a chart i have no fucking idea what it is, even i...
Literally me I can't read these fucking things worth a damn
my brain just shuts off
hearty panther
its like the parable about the centipede
"wow mr centipede how do you move with all those legs"
the centipede pauses and stays frozen in place
"OH FUCK I DONT KNOW"
old quail
lmao
umbral scaffold
Trying to make a catachan jungle fighter build for vet! Looking for anyone who may be able to point me in the right direction
umbral scaffold
I’m gonna go with devils claw for weapon! For gun…las weapons is normal
Or shotguns
supple laurel
best i could come up with for the lack of characters. wanted to do LtDanOfMoebianGuard so bad 💔
hollow ibex
I’m gonna go with devils claw for weapon! For gun…las weapons is normal
oh dclaw's gonna be rough ngl lol
could they conceivably use knife or something at least
little vortex
Trying to make a catachan jungle fighter build for vet! Looking for anyone who m...
combat blade is also explicitly catachan
use the boomstick
and then go stealth vet and be an absolute little fucking shitbastard
hollow ibex
I’m gonna go with devils claw for weapon! For gun…las weapons is normal
based on CFK's description above, this should work very well
oh right the knife literally has catachan in the name lol
little vortex
i did it slightly differently
i took kraks because going all the way to the other side of the tree with vet already being starved as fuck for points felt bad
plus i don't need the help vs monsters when i have a knife but like if i have to clutch i don't have the survivability of a shout vet so i wanna be able to burst it
but i also love me some bleed so i'm gonna try this also
hollow ibex
yeah it's somewhat a thematic build
supple laurel
fatshark is so boring bro
fading yarrow
Nsfw
hollow ibex
fatshark is so boring bro
just go with LtDan 🤔
supple laurel
just go with LtDan 🤔
i was tryna go with a moebian name but fuck it just gonna go with LtDanOfCadia
fatshark is boring apparently
hollow ibex
having read the constitution, that sounds right to me
little vortex
i was tryna go with a moebian name but fuck it just gonna go with LtDanOfCadia
tell me you're using the premium cosmetic that has two augmetic legs
supple laurel
tell me you're using the premium cosmetic that has two augmetic legs
no but i have it
little vortex
how you gonna make a lt dan reference and not give him new legs
supple laurel
little vortex
that's the good shit
supple laurel
lmao
fading yarrow
This is probably a long shot but I wish FS would set an update or two aside just to make female versions of some of the armor that the model reuse really stands out on. I really want to use this jacket for my female Vet but it's just so oversized on her lol
supple laurel
IVth sounds fine
faint beacon
Thats was 4, corrected to be 6
supple laurel
whats 53 lmao
faint beacon
LIIIrd
fading yarrow
L = 50
supple laurel
might do moebian Vth
faint beacon
L - 50
I - 1
supple laurel
thanks btw
faint beacon
All good
supple laurel
see what if i did the moebian 6th
wind warren
I'd like it if they added more personalities for the four dudes
like a gaunt ghost esc guy
tidal quail
is there any "easy" way to do the armourbane penance
tidal quail
civi maelstrom?
tidal quail
ah
tidal quail
only spawns crushers and maulers
how do I start one of those ig
narrow frost
random chance to be the maelstrom
tidal quail
fair enuf
narrow frost
the big mission in the center board
crude star
what perks and stuff do i put on the power sword? power cycler and..? do i do wrath or brutal momentum?
pseudo fiber
bromentum
umbral scaffold
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bl...
Thanks I’ll give this a shot!
hollow ibex
what perks and stuff do i put on the power sword? power cycler and..? do i do wr...
pc4 + brumentum. also check pins (hammer of the emperor guide) has all this info and more
crude star
oh, that's a lot of words. neat
tropic halo
<@457889966798929930> BRO THIS CLIP IS ACTUAL GOLD LMAO
The split second of the psyker before dying LMAO
The voiceline too
primal zealot
fair enuf
if youre on pc theres a mod that lets you pick missions that are off the board btw
faint beacon
The split second of the psyker before dying LMAO
Bro think he carti
tropic halo
tidal quail
if youre on pc theres a mod that lets you pick missions that are off the board b...
huh
how tf does that work...
like do u still get rewards for the missions
and whats the mod ig
formal ice
if youre on pc theres a mod that lets you pick missions that are off the board b...
When cheats:
loud belfry
it's just a severe skill deficit by the others
tidal quail
it's just a severe skill deficit by the others
?
loud belfry
and whats the mod ig
many more try
primal zealot
many more try
they still count but you need a team for the maelstroms cus ppl cant just qp into one thats not on the board
i use it exclusively for civi cus i love that modifier so much
tidal quail
i use it exclusively for civi cus i love that modifier so much
wouldve done it for civi too if I knew of it 30 mins ago ngl
went from 300smth to 430 grenade kills in 1 run
I will soon be free of this final veteran penance
bronze bobcat
Yo, does the survivalist aura stacks? (the one that gives you 1% ammo when killing an elite, with 5s CD)
tidal quail
i got that one the easy wat
the 500 armored enemy one?
primal zealot
for a while there was this event where the regular hordes got replaced with moebian 21st and they all counted as armored
tidal quail
for a while there was this event where the regular hordes got replaced with moeb...
bruhhhh
loud belfry
the modifier never to be seen again, just like dark rituals and all others
tidal quail
well while im at it any other useful mods I should be aware of?
primal zealot
i like numeric ui and other utility/info stuff
tidal quail
i like numeric ui and other utility/info stuff
yeee I have numeric
tidal quail
improved killfeed/spawn feed is nice
not that one but eh might add it ig
uncut pebble
Yo, does the survivalist aura stacks? (the one that gives you 1% ammo when killi...
No.
Auras do not stack, ever, unless it's the un-upgraded version.
So like, the stinky not good survivalist that vet starts with stacks with survivalist, but two survivalists do not stack.
tidal quail
So like, the stinky not good survivalist that vet starts with stacks with surviv...
wut
uncut pebble
Stock auras stack with their upgraded counterparts.
tidal quail
ah
primal zealot
im pretty sure that is incorrect
stuck tree
w
crude star
wouldn't matter cuz you can't have it unless you don't go down your tree at all
abstract sand
i use it exclusively for civi cus i love that modifier so much
civi is the best
hate lights out and sniper waves though
frank basin
hate lights out and sniper waves though
5 sniper lining up in the dark
and 6 ragers in the dark near you
+trash mobs
charred pulsar
Uncanny strike on vet is mandatory for havoc? or can I use rashad - plasma?
Hmm nvm, I mean the answer is obvious I'm going to have an easier time with uncanny
But also, what other options can I use for range weapon in havoc? besides plasma
dry cloak
havoc vet uses powersword and plasma for the most part
narrow frost
I use tactical axe combat shotgun, very fun
Bolter, both shotguns, recon, las pistol
All good options
Depends on build and play style
Vigilant auto is also fun
Would not recommend on high ping though
I swear it took 3-5 shots to resister 1 hit for me when I played eu
stoic thorn
God I love exe plasma
long dove
What kind of curios should I go for a helbore build?
pallid jetty
i always go 3 toughness on everything
some people take a wound curio
some people take health
its up to you usually
stiff glacier
gotta love deadshot vets crumpling from cracking a nail
unreal nova
gotta love deadshot vets crumpling from cracking a nail
That's just skill issue. I used to run +6 due to OCD.
Only using maxed value curios.
grand perch
i use 3x stam in havoc with scabs laspistol build
severe adder
how is bolt pistol even compared to bolt gun? isnt it literally just a smaller weapon with less ammo? does it have exclusive blessings make it do more damage?
nimble wadi
i use 3x stam in havoc with scabs laspistol build
What is scabs laspistol build
nimble wadi
how is bolt pistol even compared to bolt gun? isnt it literally just a smaller w...
I treat it more like revolver
severe adder
I treat it more like revolver
but then can’t you do the same with bolt gun
except you get more ammo
tho it’s a bit slower
Well then does that also mean more melee focused if you run bolt pistol
grand perch
how is bolt pistol even compared to bolt gun? isnt it literally just a smaller w...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40
you need the stamina to keep deadshot up, thus getting more crits and conserving ammo via shocktrooper
severe adder
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/am...
bolt not las
nimble wadi
I think he meant to ping me
grand perch
i did
severe adder
oh
nimble wadi
Thanks juck
severe adder
Ok but also why las pistol why can’t you do the same with las gun
same question basically lol
grand perch
laspistol X is more mobile, has innate increased crit chance
severe adder
interesting
grand perch
you can also kill maulers in a couple of bodyshots its actually funny. takes like 4 or 5 hits tops
severe adder
what’s the innate crit vs lasgun
grand perch
15% on laspistol
only 5 on lasgun
for some reason pistols basically outclass the rifles at their job
oh, i forgot to mention laspistols get suppression immunity, lasguns dont
void dragon
Who though that having more ammo alone was a good reason to make the las weapons inferior to the Heavy pistol? Only reason recon performs ok is because it's rapid application of fire
crude wind
Recon las is better than okay
It's top tier
Kantraels need love, Hellebores suffer from awful wield times and ugly ironsights but hit hard enough
grand perch
reverse damage falloff and terrible flak adm really hurts ilas
not to mention carapace damage which is a joke, for obvious and lore reasons
crude wind
The infantry las guns have so many problems
dry cloak
helbores need faster wield times and innate cleave
crude wind
Awful non weak spot damage, shit flak damage, shitty sights, hip fire accuracy that goes sideways
dry cloak
ilas have one of better sight in the game
crude wind
I don't think Hellebores need innate cleave but they definitely need faster wield times
dry cloak
at least in my experience
crude wind
ilas have one of better sight in the game
They are mis aligned
dry cloak
I don't think Hellebores need innate cleave but they definitely need faster wiel...
yes they do
crude wind
And lie to you
dry cloak
They are mis aligned
ah
crude wind
yes they do
Agree to disagree. They are a couple of small tweaks away from being very strong
dry cloak
why? becase revolver being THE SNIPER in the game has bullshit cleave. and helbore whick needs to charge has 0 cleave
thats my opinion
crude wind
That's a revolver problem, not a hellebore one
Revolver got giga juiced ages ago and never came down
Absurd cleave for that weapon
dry cloak
i get why people say helbores cleave is fine
tame lodge
I don't think Hellebores need innate cleave but they definitely need faster wiel...
What does innate cleave even means
Helbys have 3 already
crude wind
You can always run Hotshot, only real blessing choices are surgical, brittleness and Hotshot anyway.
tame lodge
And 3 on a gun is already high
dry cloak
What does innate cleave even means
by innate i mean just cleave of a weapon
dry cloak
i know most gun have between 0 and 1.5 clave
crude wind
They really got plasma backwards. Lights should be worse and charged shots should be big cleavey boys
dry cloak
agrip brauto has 3 iirc
tame lodge
Yeah it's just "innate" that's throwing me off
dry cloak
innate as in not added by blessing and such
tame lodge
Which is 3
dry cloak
yes
tame lodge
See the loop I'm in
dry cloak
remind revolver has how much cleave?
dry cloak
aye thanks
tall torrent
The Agri is 2 something
3
tall torrent
Another set of numbers learned so FS can troll you later
No I actually figured it out
Verifiably checked
lucid plover
What is usually the dump stat for helbore las? Should I choose 60% in ammo or charge rate? Ty
midnight wyvern
ammo rate
tame lodge
What is usually the dump stat for helbore las? Should I choose 60% in ammo or ch...
Stability
grand perch
stability
pallid jetty
btw why stability
tame lodge
It's a very stable weapon
So stable it's almost immune to suppression
Ammo is the secondary dump stat because well infinite ammo
thin stone
lol
tame lodge
Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate basically affects your dps
solemn violet
New-ish player needs help understanding something with the Recon Lasgun:
Why is Dum-Dum considered superior to Deathspitter if both actually stack up to five times (also Fatshark please, why does one blessing mention "stacks up to five times" and the other doesn't argh, confused the hell out of me) BUT if I understand correctly Deathspitter is a general strength increase for everything aka not limited to the "Close Damage" of Dum-Dum
unreal nova
New-ish player needs help understanding something with the Recon Lasgun:
Why is ...
Dumdum just works without needing kills.
Ballsy enough to pointblank recon a boss? It's max stats. Deathsplitter requires you to shoot 5 things dead in close range first.
Which usually means shooting hordes.
solemn violet
ahhhhh, omg yeah, kinda glanced other that one while testing in the psykhanium because I always had 5 kills, hahaha, thanks
tame lodge
Not to mention close range damage
Max effectiveness up to 12.5 meters
Then it drops off until 30 meters
close range
Looks inside
30 meters
unreal nova
<:kotstare:733662561525956678>
XD
Totally close, right?
Also why Longshot is so dook.
tall torrent
hollow ibex
honestly you should prob have a separate appendix or something with this sort of info
tall torrent
honestly you should prob have a separate appendix or something with this sort of...
no
hollow ibex
well i guarantee you plebs like me are just going to be skipping past it
useful information to have, but most people aren't going to be looking for it, hence my suggestion it go in an appendix
tall torrent
well i guarantee you plebs like me are just going to be skipping past it
yea it does list stagger breakpoint
and cleave
this is the simplified form lol
tall torrent
this is the exact same thing I had in word document
just with stagger stuff added
the rest is all the same
tall torrent
grand perch
Someone should be beaten for this
@elder oriole
elder oriole
huh?
crude star
I am honestly impressed with the effort and depth of this guide
slow spade
Fatshark waiting for it to drop before a Vet and weapon rework
crude star
I will be petting da dawg by then
vale glade
Looking to get the weapon specialist penance, any tips on gear/talents that help with that?
hollow ibex
What do you have to do for that one?
vale glade
Critical weakspot kills on specialists/elites while the perk is active
tall torrent
Critical weakspot kills on specialists/elites while the perk is active
Revolver
vale glade
Thanks, I'll try that out
earnest dew
I want these karkers dead!
last marten
*I want these karkers dead!*
vet congradulating himself in a four man type with three ogryns
fossil lake
Give 'em the ol' Kasrkin Double Tap!
grand perch
doing the deadshot meme with the heavy ILAS (using infernus + unyielding perk) does funny things to its boss damage
midnight wyvern
doing what with what? lmao
crude star
i wish the practical uptime of marksman focus was just a bit higher.
sharp epoch
if it gave damage instead of finesse itd be fine
hollow ibex
more than that
it needs to just not decay stacks on movement, period
and there'd need to be options to give either finesse or damage
agile forge
It doesn't decay stacks if you can click on a head every 3 seconds
It's actually pretty good on IAG, VAG, ILG and Laspistols
grand perch
IAGVAGILGL
agile forge
You gotta be happy with sometimes shooting at horde enemies too though
hollow ibex
It doesn't decay stacks if you can click on a head every 3 seconds
Still ass
crude star
i would just want the camo stacks to build a bit faster, or not count ads as walking
grand perch
3 things in life. death, taxes, and people bitching about MMF
hollow ibex
I bitch about vet generally
grand perch
though even me, the biggest enjoyer of MMF there is, probably, would say it needs a rework
its just not as bad as people make out to be
agile forge
i would just want the camo stacks to build a bit faster, or not count ads as wal...
Camo is more about making it more accessible on a boss or something imo
grand perch
doing what with what? lmao
3 stam curios, use deadshot (stamina drain with every aimed shot but gain increased crit chance). put infernus on gun (burn damage for every crit), use +25% unyielding damage - watch bosses melt away
agile forge
Trouble is with both ES and MF is that they give the most utility vs bosses but shit uptime on them
They're a pale shadow of SG and DD which also affect melee and assail
sharp epoch
You gotta be happy with sometimes shooting at horde enemies too though
the fact it incentivices shooting horde with guns sucks should reward more but only be for ranged enemies / elites / specials
agile forge
the fact it incentivices shooting horde with guns sucks should reward more but o...
It's thematically a mess
I dig the gameplay of it
But it doesn't sound like what it is
sharp epoch
lemme build full stacks by spamming this horde head height
also it needs something like scriers where it refreshes just from hitting bosses so you dont lose the buff vs bosses
hollow ibex
and half the time the server doesn't even register the weakspot kill 🔥
grand perch
poxwalkers have some kind of magic anti-weakspot aura
the rest i dont have these issues
...only sometimes
sharp epoch
it probably has to do with their movement animation they kinda waddle and move their head side to side
agile forge
lemme build full stacks by spamming this horde head height
In theory you hit 15 stacks in 5 bullets or 10 in 4.
crude star
i like the idea of what camo is trying to do, giving you that option to move, stop, shoot, move, stop, shoot, but it's too easy to lose stacks vs getting them still
agile forge
And then Vraks says lol, lmao even and just sprays where it likes
agile forge
i like the idea of what camo is trying to do, giving you that option to move, st...
It means that you can maintain stacks in airlocks at least
grand perch
just duck in those
agile forge
With Camo you shouldn't need to ramp up at the start so much
sharp epoch
In theory you hit 15 stacks in 5 bullets or 10 in 4.
yeah its a bad design like it stacks equally against horde compared to elites when its called marksman focus and incentivices spray and pray vs slow firing precision weapons
agile forge
But LRA is probably better
agile forge
yeah its a bad design like it stacks equally against horde compared to elites wh...
It incentivises fast and precise imo
Vraks 5 suffers by not actually always getting the headshots for example
Big spread even at 80 stab
Outside of ex stance
But like i would never take it on an autopistol or a recon since they don't have the multipliers
grand perch
youre wrong on that one
recon yeah mmf is a waste
autopistol with MMF is really funny and actually good outside havoc
they buffed finesse modifier to 1.5
with exec you get the necessary accuracy
try it out
void dragon
You folks believe we will get weapon updates when the arbites come live? Want a real reason to use both shock maul and C.shotguns
grand perch
no idea
unreal nova
3 stam curios, use deadshot (stamina drain with every aimed shot but gain increa...
You can do that without it on a recon. Just spray at heads near point blank after shouting.
void dragon
The "Arbites at home" isn't that good sadly
unreal nova
Including boss head.
void dragon
autopistol with MMF is really funny and actually good outside havoc
Still think the apistol is more of a zealot gun, kinda like the inspiring Barrage ripper, just a weapon to generate toughness while sprinting to enemies
It can deal ok damage but isn't much better than the IAuto Vraks
severe jolt
It's not the toughness why zealots bring the autopistol, they get enough of that already. It's the mobility of a pistol why Zealots often pick it.
void dragon
And for that imo Bistol is leagues better
agile forge
Also laspistol
severe jolt
Also revolver.
But all of the pistols have the 1 thing in common, good mobility.
void dragon
Also laspistol
Yeah, it is not only faster but quite good Vs bosses
void dragon
Also revolver.
But all of the pistols have the 1 thing in common, good mobility...
Except the Apistol has almost same mobility than the Vraks
unreal nova
Shredder can be shot on the run the best
Run and gun on Bistol for zealot.
severe jolt
Shredder is the only fully automatic one, that's the niche it fills.
agile forge
Run and gun on Bistol for zealot.
It hipfires pretty good right?
unreal nova
You want puncture as second anyway.
agile forge
I only use it on my zelly
unreal nova
It hipfires pretty good right?
Only first shot.
Everything else is memes.
With or without it.
void dragon
Only first shot.
Tbh, for how usually you run Bistol that's enough for most engagements
severe jolt
Except the Apistol has almost same mobility than the Vraks
autopistol also has better swap speed
and I don't really know how big the difference is, but I've ran both extensively and the autopistol feels noticeably faster
void dragon
Shredder is the only fully automatic one, that's the niche it fills.
But isn't the LasPistol better on the fact it has better mobility, damage and infernus?
unreal nova
Tbh, for how usually you run Bistol that's enough for most engagements
True. But not a joke about any shot after the first going anywhere unless pointblank.
grand perch
not sayinng its better than vraks but that was hella fun
severe jolt
But isn't the LasPistol better on the fact it has better mobility, damage and in...
I'm not using that on multiple classes, not very often at least. I already get enough fun out of the laspistol on veteran.
void dragon
not sayinng its better than vraks but that was hella fun <:thumbsup_ogryn:106345...
Tried it on psyker and genuinely thought that I was cheating, the gun with high crit does surprisingly good work
void dragon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1371215218260316341/p...
Something that this reminds me: isn't it weird the shredder has so good stagger that outclasses the Braced Aguns? I would expect those to have stagger to topple rangers and such, while the Apistol should be running king
grand perch
yeah that doesnt make much sense. they probably wanted to keep the stagger aspect as a positive of the gun before they buffed it again
void dragon
yeah that doesnt make much sense. they probably wanted to keep the stagger aspec...
I call bs, give that to the Braced guns and make the gun sprint speed and cost better, I feel that would really give it a place to be used seriously
agile forge
Idk what BAGs are even for tbh
I mean an ogryn would love it I guess
But all the punies have good crit scaling
They're just shit recons now
At least recons do meme fire
void dragon
My point, these guns should be the stagger specialists, making a suppression line of safety both with actual suppression and stagger
agile forge
Also they should cleave more imo
void dragon
True, but why the PISTOL can topple maulers with such ease? But the Brautos don't?
agile forge
True, but why the PISTOL can topple maulers with such ease? But the Brautos don'...
Only because it got a shine recently and BAGs didn't
void dragon
Only because it got a shine recently and BAGs didn't
lighting candles for ObeseFish to give Brautos a buff (still think shredder should lose the stagger, give it to the Brautos and gain some more mobility in exchange)
agile forge
Maybe shredder should get a steep drop-off for the stagger
hollow ibex
Idk what BAGs are even for tbh
Suffering
agile forge
My first orange was an ABAG
severe jolt
Idk what BAGs are even for tbh
the baggies have noob trap blessings like stripped down and hit&run
severe jolt
coming from vermintide they were actually kinda solid
before you realized how the sprint&slide mechanics worked in this game
void dragon
ok seriously remind me why the dump stat of shredder is mobility when it can stagger ragers from their combo whit collateral as a dump stat
muted peak
Guys I have two power sword at my choice one of em has 7 out of %60 mobility other has 49 out of %80 in contrast to damage reduction a bit which one do you recommend?
Since Im new I cant send ss so this is best I can come up with
agile forge
I think the ideal power sword has cleave targets as its dumpstat @muted peak
But I haven't used one in ages so I might be wrong
muted peak
🤔
void dragon
Psword's dump is cleave
agile forge
Although with those numbers it sounds like you aren't level 30
muted peak
this will be the first time I will be using power sword so a bit hesitant
agile forge
So tbh just take anything with decent damage, cleave damage and finesse iirc
And try to snag power cycler for it
muted peak
Psword's dump is cleave
but mobility seems awful with the one that has celeave damage more?
void dragon
you dump cleave because the active mode gives it insane cleave, hence making cleave from the weapon itself not necesary
muted peak
isnt it an issue
void dragon
you want movility BECAUSE its natural movility is so bad
you dont want to have it at its worse
void dragon
cleave from that stat doesnt change much, the active give you already plenty of it
agile forge
It's an unwieldy bastard tbh, I can't use it myself
void dragon
you need power cycler to get 3 slashes
muted peak
so which one should I take
void dragon
its a must
hollow ibex
wait it has to be activated to power mode to work?
yeah, all the time lol
agile forge
Even low level power cycler
muted peak
the one with higher cleave damage?
agile forge
Even one extra slash is a big difference.
hollow ibex
just try it out in the psyk