veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

Pls explain 🤔

[runic jackal]

no

[orchid hemlock]

Understandable

Have a nice day

[crude star]

are smokes alright without the extra duration?

[narrow frost]

yup

they are fine

since you get the back really fast

[tame lodge]

Yeah 15s is enough

30 is very comfy

[severe jolt]

smokes are underrated
and misunderstood

[crude star]

i haven't done super hard stuff yet, but i already like 'em

[hollow ibex]

frags are going to be better outside of havoc

[nimble wadi]

Who is Higui

[tame lodge]

What is Higui

[loud belfry]

higuirashi

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/renéhiguita-goal-football-defense-gif-16521222

[fringe meteor]

Curently level 20 with Vet(first time playing this game properly,tried it back when it launched and my old PC could not handle it)you guys got a solid all rounder vet build ?

[jaunty tinsel]

shout + krak

[narrow frost]

a good default vet build to try to build for

[jaunty tinsel]

i think technically shredder is better than krak at the high levels but that might also be outdated info

but krak is way easier to use

[fringe meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-nod-clint-eastwood-clint-eastwood-intergalactic-clint-eastwood-hat-tip-clint-eastwood-blondie-gif-17544056042525888525

[narrow frost]

leveling I think krak since horde density isnt really there for frag value

but try it out if you want

nade for ogryn enemies and bosses

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah i more mean at like havoc

[fringe meteor]

Ive been playing with Krak a bunch and it seems giga OP

[narrow frost]

Really good

[slow spade]

krak is good but most teams don't lack anti-ogryn stuff

[fringe meteor]

Like you deal 20-30% of a Boss HP

[jaunty tinsel]

krak is amazing, eventually it falls off but thats at the super sweaty difficulties

[slow spade]

also krak scales off your Ranged damage buffs

so you can get the Ogryn damage talent to do more boss damage and stuff

[narrow frost]

I do disagree with this

but I see your view

[fringe meteor]

WHAT

[loud belfry]

havoc makes everything slightly fall off

kinda cringe really

[narrow frost]

with the density frags get more horde clear value

[jaunty tinsel]

the claim was that it essentially fails to one-shot the things its supposed to at that level

[slow spade]

yeah stuff like Agile Engagement, Focus Target, Bigger They Are, etc buff Krak damage

[jaunty tinsel]

and therefore is inferior

[fringe meteor]

I am in that phase where im just trying every weapon to get a feeling

[narrow frost]

but kraks with gurenteed boss stagger and bulwarks 1shots is still high value

[narrow frost]

thats a good idea

while leveling

it took me around 1500 hours to find my fav weapon

[slow spade]

Kill Zone seems to work with Krak but I never tested

[nimble wadi]

This doesn't answer my question

[narrow frost]

and i am still using it 1500 hours later

[fringe meteor]

So far,Autoguns seem a bit like meme peashooters

[jaunty tinsel]

getting mastery by playing every gun only to go back to my old beloved recon

[fringe meteor]

or maybe im not using them properly

[slow spade]

during the launch of Darktide, I hit lvl 15 and used the power sword. I never stopped using the power sword

[tame lodge]

Well
I'm Higui

[slow spade]

except patch 13 which giga-nerfed the power sword

[nimble wadi]

[tame lodge]

[slow spade]

Vraks mk5 is really good at close to mid range

the best overall autogun

[nimble wadi]

[pseudo fiber]

I love the Mk1 shovel and I will love the mk1 shovel forever

[jaunty tinsel]

i personally don't really like autoguns at all either so you're not alone

[slow spade]

yeah the ammo efficiency from Shocktrooper is too good

[fringe meteor]

My problem is that im curently playing mainly with randoms(one of the reasons i got into this discord is to look for parties)and when i take a autogun it feels like the rest of the team lacks anti-big boi weapons so we end up getting trashed by either Ogryns or Bosses

[slow spade]

oh yeah you're going to want a power sword or something like that to deal with them

[fringe meteor]

So far ive had bad luck with drops when it comes to a decent power sword

[slow spade]

Power Sword's Push attack can 2 hit kill ogryns

[fringe meteor]

Curently using a decent Combat Axe

[slow spade]

ah yeah a Rashad combat axe can do work if properly set up

personally didn't have as good luck with the only Combat axe variants

Rashad is the only one I felt was always good in every situation

[fringe meteor]

But so far im really digging the game

The presentation/audio is top notch

and aside from autoguns,alot of the weapons(ranged and melee) feel very meaty

[narrow frost]

want to see shotguns in the highest difficulty?

[fringe meteor]

that could be cool

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo&t=395s

I did a challenge run

hardest diffiuclty

4 vets

we all had smoke grenades

and I was using power sword double barrel

[fringe meteor]

Damn,power sword really seems nutty

[hollow ibex]

it's just the best vet melee

thats all

[narrow frost]

strongest melee weapon in higher difficulty

[fringe meteor]

Does the vet get a chainsword ?

[hollow ibex]

yes but chain weapons generally aren't that good rn

[narrow frost]

yup

chain sword and axe

zealot gets the 2 handed chainsword as well

[crisp wraith]

Who could have guessed that the sword that can cut through almost anything would be the strongest?

[hollow ibex]

relic blade? yeah

[tepid otter]

How do you stab with the Power sword like that

[narrow frost]

Push attack

hold block then left click

(pretty sure)

its mainly muscle memory

but that is the push attack

its the main dps for Psword

can 1 shot every base game enenmy besides boss and crusher

[tepid otter]

Huh, neato, didnt know push attacks were a thing kekw

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[slow spade]

really usefu for Combat Axe because it can stagger ragers out of their combo

so a combat axe can bully ragers

[hollow ibex]

really useful on a lot of weapons tbh

[tepid otter]

Need to start using it more often now

[hollow ibex]

it really depends, on some weapons PAs don't do much

[faint beacon]

I mean honestly as a warning if you're playing a Melee that needs to PA every so often or frequently you will feel your stamina not being very high especially on Veteran

[spark canopy]

dawg

i was

90% of the way

through an assassination mission

on malice

NO MELEE DAMAGE TAKEN. NONE AT ALL.

then guess what the fuck spawns.

[narrow frost]

mutant

[spark canopy]

eight motherfucking ragers.

[narrow frost]

F

[spark canopy]

nah fuck this

i'm going into groups

getting like three ogryns

and having them baby me through a malice

because this is fucking stupid

is it too late to turn whatever fatshark employee is responsible for rager's coding to be turned into a servitor or servoskull

actually no

they're not even good for that

corpse starch

i'm turning whatever slack jawed, mouth breathing, chromosome deficient, mother loving, oedipus having, milk-before-cereal eating fucking bitch into corpse starch

[faint beacon]

Justified Crashout

[spark canopy]

best fucking thing

is that

[faint beacon]

im ngl thats probably when you're still not used to how vet plays the most fucking miserable penance to do

[spark canopy]

a fucking VOICE OF COMMAND

didn't work

i YELLED at these ragers

and they're just like "oh you fucking idiot"

[faint beacon]

You could try that, or play the most fucking scummy infil build possible

[spark canopy]

i'm only a level 13

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah honestly at that point

level up

Veteran doesn't become insane till later

easily till like 25-30

[spark canopy]

i feel like that's with a lot of classes

except ogryn

[hearty panther]

you're level 13 and you're trying to complete an achievement that involves playing a perfect game

[spark canopy]

ogryn's busted fucking broken from like level 3

[spark canopy]

yeah, i set high standards

[faint beacon]

Its

[spark canopy]

impossibly high some may say

[faint beacon]

mainly cause a lot of Veteran's real juicy talents

minus Agile Engage

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt really care but if that's how you react to failure i wonder what your issue is. and i do.

[faint beacon]

are at the bottom

[spark canopy]

it wasn't failure though

it was eight fucking ragers

spawning at once

[hearty panther]

thats like

nothing lmao

[tall torrent]

I can help u do it

[spark canopy]

"nothing lmao"

i'm playing on malice

[hearty panther]

yeah, i know

8 malice ragers

[tall torrent]

U can cheese that penance

Just

Jump off the map

[hearty panther]

yeah there's a very easy cheese for it

[tall torrent]

And I’ll go through level

Do u want help

[spark canopy]

that would be nice.

[tall torrent]

Alr I’ll get on

[spark canopy]

oh if you have to get on i won't bother you for it

[tall torrent]

It’s just 1 game it’s fast

[faint beacon]

its also Malice

he'll blitz through it

[spark canopy]

well, it's failure due to spawn mechanics and an annoying glitch (voice of command didn't stagger ragers)

it's happened twice so far

[copper ingot]

smoke grenades they even work?

[faint beacon]

Thats unusual cause I tend to have VOC do the opposite and hit them through walls

usually

[spark canopy]

tetanus?

[hearty panther]

it staggers shit i dont even know exists

[tall torrent]

Ya

[faint beacon]

Yes, they're very much an anti-ranged tool

[spark canopy]

neat.

[faint beacon]

less a kill everything more a "Instant Cover" button

[hearty panther]

and by instant of course we mean two-three business days while the fuse ticks down

[copper ingot]

soo they are not that bad as people talk about them

[hearty panther]

they arent flashy

[torn depot]

Gunner build veteran feels like it needs a buff

[faint beacon]

Heavily underrated

People tend to forget another thing

[pseudo fiber]

I saved a psyler with a dog on them through a wall today lol

[faint beacon]

if they're in an area you can't reach it forces ranged units to run from the smoke if they are inside of it to reposition

so you can flush them out of dug in areas

honestly I'll do you one better, curtesy of Path's sanity

@copper ingot Upcoming steam guide sometime in the future

[tall torrent]

Did ur game crash

[spark canopy]

yes :(

[tall torrent]

Join back if u can

[spark canopy]

error 9999, not letting me rejoin

[tall torrent]

Ok we’ll restart

[copper ingot]

thansk, in game i just see ii dont know maybe 3 times when poeple use them and i saw on yt that they suck the most, in early game when i leveled veteran i just throw few too look how it works. now on auric dam guners are just pain in ass

[tall torrent]

U there?

[faint beacon]

Its quite literally a "Eat shit gunners" button

but its mainly cause a good chunk of youtubers dont understand how to use smokes effectively

[spark canopy]

my steam is inoperable

[faint beacon]

its a support tool also

[spark canopy]

I’m so pissed off

[faint beacon]

not raw damage

[spark canopy]

I’m sorry man

[tall torrent]

Restart game maybe

[faint beacon]

I'd say restart your steam app

simple reboot wouldn't hurt I've had to do that at times

[tall torrent]

Lemme know when ur ready

[spark canopy]

restarting my entire whole ass WiFi

[tall torrent]

Dw take ur time

[torn depot]

What niche does the MK 1a lasgun fill?

[spark canopy]

alright i am getting back

thank you for your patience and for your help, sir

[faint beacon]

Its trying to be the Vigil by being a Dedicated Marksman type rifle but a laser

issue, its old

very old

[tall torrent]

Np

[faint beacon]

so its not as good as other options now-a-days

[torn depot]

I see

I mainly use the MK XII lasgun

For the raw damage per shot

Its really good on headshots

[hollow ibex]

has not aged well

fires too damn slowly for what it does

[tall torrent]

basically
pay attention to specialist sound cue
learn to melee fight every enemy in the game on ur own, with minimal use of ability/gun/blitz, and minimal health loss
and try to have a physical route out of tricky situations if u find urself in one (preferably not but u never know)

[spark canopy]

thank you again

[tall torrent]

u can practice fighting different enemies with creature spawner mod

also what region are u in

I was lagging so bad

[spark canopy]

PST

so, US West

[tall torrent]

oh prob my wifi being shit then

[spark canopy]

wilco

[spark canopy]

thank you so much

[tall torrent]

u wanna keep playing? or u getting off

[spark canopy]

i'm getting off for a bit

thank you again

[tall torrent]

k

[torn depot]

Its why I use the full auto mod

It makes it actually good

[hollow ibex]

full auto doesn't change its slow ass rate of fire...

if you want a breakpoint ilas, use mk vii

[dusty nacelle]

hi!! I haven't played in around half a year, what's changed with vet?

Plasma gun nerfed?

[tall torrent]

no

[dusty nacelle]

awesome

[tame lodge]

In fact

Buffed

[sleek garden]

i use the infantry lasgun extensively

should i buy this dark black skin in the shop for it or wait for a new one

[faint beacon]

well its been fucking ages since its returned even though its not the original

but its based on it

[gilded wraith]

What do we think the odds are the veteran becomes the 3rd or 4th best ranged class on the 23?

[torn depot]

I was thinking the same thing too

[faint beacon]

Probably 4th

[sleek garden]

has there even been more than 1 lasgun skin

[faint beacon]

Seeing zealot will always be last in that regards

[torn depot]

But I feel its just a Lazy recolor of stock

[sleek garden]

beyond this one and the other one with the eagle on it

[sleek garden]

the model has changes

[faint beacon]

I can see Arbitrator being the even middle ground with reworked and old classes atm

[sleek garden]

the handle is quilted and the stock is unique

and a bit of the muzzle is cut

[torn depot]

Hmmmm

[sleek garden]

but it is black and says 110

idk

i dont know who they are

i want this backpack though

i saw it in space marine 2

[faint beacon]

I forsee the class impacts being like what and this if no Ogryn nerf/nerfs happen

Ogryn > Psyker > Arbitrator > Veteran ≈ Zealot

[faint beacon]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/110th_Cadian

Cadian Shadow Corps

Shock Troops

So far known for Deployment on Night worlds so the camo is fitting to be dark theme'd

[torn depot]

Hmmm

I do use lasgun a lot

[spark canopy]

hey hey hey

what would the dump stat for the power sword be

[short sinew]

cleave targets

[spark canopy]

preciate you

oh fuck yeah

i only had to buy like 5 power swords to get the good one

[copper ingot]

well... good job, you trolled him

[tall torrent]

power sword's dump stat is cleave target

10.9 vs 11.7 activated cleave means almost nothing

[copper ingot]

not mobility weird weapon

[tall torrent]

mobility is normally a safe dump, just in this weapon's case there's a better dump stat

[short sinew]

i would never spread misinformation

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-giggle-oopsie-hehe-gif-2866872548809845079

[hasty grove]

The best dump stat of all is whatever stat you personally enjoy most in ur weapon

[dry cloak]

Mobility is usually a safe bet when it comes to dump stats

[long dove]

So if I go Hot-Shot on my Helbore and hit someone in the head does everyone around that enemy take damage?

[pallid jetty]

bro i wish

[long dove]

So how it work?

[pallid jetty]

i dont even remember what hot shot does but i would know if there would be a mechanic like that

killing a guy and then others around it explode - that would be op af

[unreal nova]

Think sniper rifle. Pierces.

So tight tunnel/corridor is best for it.

[austere mica]

Decreases hitmass consumption for everything, backwards

Hotshot 1 makes you cleave like 500% more it’s super fucky

Spaghetti blessing

Broken in every possible way

[pallid jetty]

good i guess

if only helbore was fun to use

[long dove]

But headshots already pierce so why do I need cleave on weakspot?

[austere mica]

You don’t

The reason you take Hotshot is goofy melee interactions

Like taking hotshot 1 to cleave the world

[unreal nova]

1? Not 4?

[austere mica]

Yep

Hotshot is super fucked

Bad/entirely incorrect description
Reversed values
Always active

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[long dove]

So hotshot for melee?

[austere mica]

It’s mostly a meme

[unreal nova]

Won't help a knoife, I guess, lmao.

[austere mica]

Yeah not really

Even with the extra cleave the damage falloff would still make it useless

[long dove]

So what blessings would be good for helbore?

[grand perch]

headshots dont automatically "pierce" aka cleave. its not like a binary thing where a headshot cleaves and a bodyshot doesnt

you have a cleave value on every shot. for each enemy you hit, that value decreases by that enemy's hit mass value

once you have 0 cleave, you stop cleaving and the shot stops at that enemy

now what hotshot does is it reduces the cleave value you lose for every enemy if it is a headshot

and because of spaghetti code the tier 1 blessing of hotshot makes it so you only lose 1/5 of the cleave value you would

so in theory if a lot of heads are exactly lined up, you would cleave through 5 times as many enemys

[long dove]

Neat. I wanna use sustained fire for sure and was debating on weight of fire or hot-shot

May just got weight

OKay another question, I got two shovels. One has 77% damage and the other has 70%. The 77% is Anointed and the 70% is Transcendent and the Transcendent has more overall damage than the Anointed. Is this taking into account the blessings or soemthing in teh loadout screen?

[dry cloak]

maybe 2 different marks

[long dove]

Same mark

So im confused

[sudden cedar]

It would probably take into account the blessings.

Or if all else fails, it's spaghetti code

[long dove]

Lol

[pallid jetty]

just went on a mission as a shooting vet, and got a team that didnt care about me

died to rager and special ambush

darktide

[dry cloak]

2.?????
3, profit

[pallid jetty]

they were like 300 and 200 lvls

all died after

i wish FS reworked vet

so shooting tree part was better

[worthy terrace]

anyone know good builds for havoc 40

any playstyle

[grand perch]

outgunning a bunch of gunners

[tame void]

Lvl 2k is insane

John Veteran

[worthy terrace]

whats ur build?

[native ocean]

the more I try using the vigilant ag the less I like it, really wish it had a reflex sight like the infantry lasgun

[grand perch]

if youre not on xbox, mod it on with the customisation mod

[native ocean]

I suppose I will...

this one in particular is just ugh

[normal bay]

Would exe stance be worth it on the infantry las or stick with shout? Haven't used the gun since my levelling days

[native ocean]

designed for you to hit weakspots consistently
just crappy irons with no glowy bits

[sudden cedar]

The Vostroyan Hellbore is so shiny you get flashbanged when using it.

[native ocean]

can't stand the hellbore irons either

[native ocean]

I had avoided the weapon customization mod up until now because I thought the sights were still bearable and workable and only ever saw people use it to show off the hideous greebled monstrosities they had made but I think it's finally time for me to give the mod a try

[grand perch]

one issue i had with the base sights isnt so much that they were hard to use. when i played with helbore for a dozen or so rounds, i hit just as well as with better sights

the problem was i had to get used to the worse sights again every time after using another weapon for a while

[native ocean]

yeah I think I'm going through pretty much the same

I go through a cycle of barely if at all using the vigilant ag and hellbore > wanting to try them out for variety's sake > remembering why I don't like them

[grand perch]

exe stance is excellent for ILAS

shout is still the meta option though pretty much

[native ocean]

the mod places a gun model on my char?? peak

[grand perch]

yes, you can even choose where you carry it, like on your hip and such

[native ocean]

oh my goodness gracious

[grand perch]

i turned that off though, results look silly a lot

[native ocean]

aw this is fantastic

[long dove]

What's the dump state on the MkI Sapper Shovel?

[hidden badge]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but vet in H40 really feels pretty damn weak now

[grand perch]

papa willy incoming

[steep flower]

Ye i was about to go ballistic on mah man but i’m too old for this shit

Also i remember you Cherub; long time ago we chatted and could play but didn’t work

You up for that tonight?

[native ocean]

H80 when?

[hidden badge]

I've just been running the standard voc plasma rifle dueling sword build and it's alright still, but yeah I'm noticing it doesn't come as effortless as the other classes now.

I'm gonna pass out here pretty soon, but for sure down for some 40s soon!

[steep flower]

I should be back home after 6h or so; will let ya know & show you the power of a vet in havoc

[grand perch]

OnlyBosses.
Several Twin bosses destroy hopes and dreams of strike teams. papa willy somehow still going strong

possibly because @unreal nova is carrying hard

[native ocean]

tbf that already happens in havoc pubs as low as 21

people still do NOT know how to fight rinda karnak

[steep flower]

Ppl don’t know how to focus on 1 target or have any target priority set depending on the situation they are in

[native ocean]

yep

[steep flower]

Thats why they lose

[native ocean]

the sequel to "Ignore shooters and die" nobody asked for

[hidden badge]

Yep. Hav pubs have really improved, but that's still true

[steep flower]

Thats map dependant; consingment yard is what i like to call a ‚boss gauntlet’ mission

[native ocean]

european havoc pubs are worse than they were during 1.0 for me

[steep flower]

What about murica?

[native ocean]

I don't want to play darktide with 330 ping

[steep flower]

Real shit

[native ocean]

game's netcode is unstable enough as it is

[hidden badge]

If you have a smart taunt ogryn and good priority target killers, the threat management is pretty simple. You don't typically see those players below hav 25-30 though

[native ocean]

I saw like 3 (or was it 4) havoc forged smykers permasmiting karnak twins on pub havocs and decided I've had enough unless something major drops like a havoc 3.0 or something along those lines

[native ocean]

21 is the great havoc filter yeah

[steep flower]

Even in 40s you dont see them that often, especially the latter

[native ocean]

If you don't have even a basic grasp of things like target priority and boss pulling you're not going to make it

[hidden badge]

Yeah that's true. Getting good groups often feels luck based

[unreal nova]

[native ocean]

During 1.0 I reached rank 29 then took a break because havoc gave me a sore wrist, came back during 2.0 just to see how far up can I climb with my gun psyker. Stuck on 21

[unreal nova]

Is harder now.

[hidden badge]

Play a bubble purg knife psyker and you'll get 40 fast. That build rips through havoc 40. The damage is nuts.

[native ocean]

I really don't enjoy that build sadly, that's the thing

Considering I've already gotten the drip and title rewards from havoc that I wanted before and my own friends also don't want to play havoc I've no real desire or incentive to keep playing, so I'm just playing aurics nowadays

[hidden badge]

Yeah that's a big problem with the psy meta and I hear ya. Gaze is fun, but you gotta play outside of havoc with it mostly given the necessity of ammo conservation.

[native ocean]

Yup, exactly. Even with fast shards I still often struggle with ammo management due to all the bosses that need melting

If I ever change my mind about burga I'll likely give havoc another go, but I dislike havoc being such a loadout check in the first place. Which is a shame because havoc specific mission modifiers are really fun.

[hidden badge]

Hell, I'd take another staff almost being just as good as purg. The class really is stonewalled meta now.

I still enjoy it enough with knife zipping around everywhere and popping heads (keeps me active), but yeah you're still standing in the corner just burning everything most of the time. You do damn near the same thing with flamer zealot too though tbh.

[native ocean]

Indeed.

[grand perch]

have you heard of our lord and saviour voidblast / trauma staff?

[hidden badge]

Trauma is fun and I'll often run it, but if you have one psy def go purg. Both of you can't share the procs off purg though so it's better to get that extra CC via trauma for the walls of bulwarks. The modifiers can make bulwarks invulnerable to CC though which really makes trauma just straight up ass if it happens and if that's your only staff. The modifier just fucks it hard and when you lose the CC - just go for the extra damage and head pop procs via purg (what makes it so strong since it can insta kill and basically deletes ragers as soon as they appear).

H40 is just too meta for the most part honestly esp with pugs. I'm def bored of the meta builds, but it is what it is and they make clearing 40 way easier. Hoping for more variety again after the update and I'm sure I'll be playing the new class exclusively for a while.

[bitter pilot]

do anyone here still use the devils claw knife here

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Why?

Need blessings/perks recommendation?

[bitter pilot]

nah i was just wondering. i mostly just use it for wave clear and invincibility with the parry

[tame lodge]

Yeah uh

Dclaw suffers from badflakosis

[bitter pilot]

oh yeah i know

i just end up parrying maulers and ragers and backing off

parry staggers super good on parry

[pallid jetty]

i just used it today

not bad

[grand perch]

occasionally ill play a round with dclaw just for fun

[steep flower]

I can help ya climb mah guy

[steep flower]

Dont use kinetic flayer with purg; you’ll kill someone eventually with it

[native ocean]

Very kind of you, I'll lyk if I want to play havoc again

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower I need help with climbing too. Since we failed so many 40's while trying True Survivor

[worthy terrace]

same here

[polar latch]

What are some of the better weapons for veteran

I’ve been rocking the duel sword and plasma gun while levelling but I’m not sure I want to stick with the plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI
Combat axe III
Combat blade VI
Duelling sword IV

Plasma gun
Recon lasgun
Boltgun
Revolver IIa
Boltpistol

[polar latch]

Good thing I’ve got the recon lasgun levelled up

What’s a good setup for the power sword

[sleek garden]

dont listen to this guy

use devils claw frag grenade infantry lasgun

what is carapace armor

out of sight out of mind

[sudden cedar]

Don't listen to anyone really. Advice is advice. Make of it what you want, not what someone tells you to.

[tall torrent]

carapace + elite
power cycler + brutal momentum

[polar latch]

I’m not a fan of the infantry lasgun personally

[polar latch]

Ye, just trying to use opinions to figure stuff out somewhat

[sudden cedar]

Exactly.

[polar latch]

Especially to gauge what are good blessings and all that stuff

[polar latch]

Power cycler allows for the powered swing to hit an additional target right?

[sudden cedar]

I have an Infantry Lasgun with Falter and Headhunter, so i can stagger targets. That's mostly because i am using it on a Zealot and won't really get a lot of additional boni to using such a ranged weapon.

[tall torrent]

no, u get 2 extra powered attacks

[sudden cedar]

Power Cycler gives extra powered attacks

[polar latch]

Even better

[glacial skiff]

I made a horrible terrible mistake

[polar latch]

Would be cool if it could work like the relic blade imo

[glacial skiff]

I named my character an actual name

My name

WITH A FUCKING TYPO

[polar latch]

That’s very unfortunate

[glacial skiff]

its level 28 this has been an ongoing issue

i dont want the other dipshits here to see my character named “timoth”

[polar latch]

You can fix that

For 50000 dockets

[glacial skiff]

I would rather blow my head smoove off with my bolter

[tame lodge]

Mammoth

🦣

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365293600631423067/1371111968731299992/00huuuuuh.gif

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/QetYoFB6-XY?si=mjj-LpIMalIdHWAz

mammoth

[glacial skiff]

I saw a gif of this fucker mewing and i cant unsee it anytime i see him

[glacial skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/headhog-dancing-dancing-hedgehog-gramps-hog-gramps-dancing-gif-6408800285204220563

[umbral radish]

back at trying to master sniping as a veteran again

helps that the firearms have 0 drop off

just completed the 'one in the chamber' penance

[sleek garden]

what rifle

[umbral radish]

infantry lasgun

[sleek garden]

it's pretty good for it

that gun has reverse falloff

it actually gets stronger the further you are away

[hollow ibex]

(one of the many reasons ilas is ass rn)

[umbral radish]

I don't think actual rifles (the bolt action fire off into the distance kinds) exist in Darktide

[tall torrent]

No

And if they existed they’d prob be bad

[hollow ibex]

just like longlas

[tall torrent]

Longlas is semi auto

[hollow ibex]

the being bad part

[umbral radish]

I love slabs but I hate the fact my chances of killing anything are basically 0 if one walks in front of me

[hollow ibex]

vet life

there's a mod that makes them translucent if you're having problems seeing

[umbral radish]

my problem is the massive wall of meat blocking my fire

[hollow ibex]

you can shoot through them

[umbral radish]

No you can't?

[hollow ibex]

you can

they explicitly changed that a while back

to make ogryns less annoying

[magic aurora]

Heavy Sword 6

[magic aurora]

your bullets travel thru allies, if your aim was right thru the ogryn you'll hit the enemy behind them for full dmg

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/416

this mod makes your allies transparent when they're close to you

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/39

recommend pairing it with this one

[hollow ibex]

ah yes this was the mod

[magic aurora]

flak unyielding with headtaker and deathblow

pair it with the boltgun or zarona revolver

[umbral radish]

I like infantry lasgun

y'all are sleeping on infantry lasgun with executioner's stance

[sleek garden]

thats basically all i use

[umbral radish]

all you need is a shovel, a good lasgun, and some good talents

it's all a guardsman ever needs

[supple laurel]

which mark is the go to for helbore

[hollow ibex]

if you do helbore

might as well go mk4

and actually have carapace damage

[supple laurel]

thanks

[grand perch]

Worst bayonet though.

Mk IV is my favourite anyway

[supple laurel]

bayonet isnt what i was looking for with it anyway

i wanted good carapce damage

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can kill one poxxer per swing

[umbral radish]

I keep dying as veteran though :/

[hollow ibex]

this is likely the culprit

[umbral radish]

having a basic build?

[supple laurel]

someone explain to me what the fuck unarmored is for again

[umbral radish]

infantry lasgun my beloved they could never make me hate you

[supple laurel]

has bad build:

complains about dying:

(no offence)

[umbral radish]

tbh my build is fine it's just not built for frontlining

[supple laurel]

no offense again but

thats something i hear alot

[magic aurora]

people are sleeping executioner's stance in general

[umbral radish]

plus veterans might as well be built of paper

[magic aurora]

but tbh im okay with that

[supple laurel]

aint that people sleep on it

its just that gold toughness is so stupidly OP

[magic aurora]

piss shout is op and dampens the fun but someone with exe stance and the boltgun killing every special and elite every game would be even less fun

and this is said as someone who really enjoys playing exe stance bolter lol

[umbral radish]

I do like the infantry lasgun though

[magic aurora]

i mean ive run a shovel, infantry las, and exe stance build in auric maelstrom and stayed alive, it's a player skill thing

[supple laurel]

you see

[magic aurora]

dueling sword piss shout builds are just crutches

[supple laurel]

i hate when people use the "get better" or "skill issue" reason

because its not

[magic aurora]

it's most of the reason you die in this game

[supple laurel]

i dont see why youre suggesting i die in this game often, because i dont

[magic aurora]

im using "you" generally there

[supple laurel]

shovel has horrible single target damage unless you stagger shit

[magic aurora]

it's most of the reason one dies in this game

[supple laurel]

infantry laz in general afaik has shit single target too

though i havent used infantry in awhile

[magic aurora]

it relies on headshots but it does competent single target dmg

though reading between the lines im assuming you actually mean armor damage

[supple laurel]

???

can it kill single target fast or not

thats all the matters

[magic aurora]

depends on the armor

but again this is what i mean, people don't develop the skill to kite and play around armor as they bring it down because they rely on crutch builds with lightning fast armor ttks

you can absolutely deal with armor with just the shovel, it has uncanny strike even, you just have to be comfortable kiting, dodging, and managing horde

[supple laurel]

im not gonna develop the skill to hit a crusher 20 times with a build/weapon that has shit single target damage when theres decent builds that are capable of downing single target based enemies

your entire argument from what im hearing is "skill issue"

[magic aurora]

my arguement is that ive found it a lot more fun to face those challenges and its made me improve orders of magnitude faster than my last 300 hours

and made me realize how much i was relying on crutches that limit your growth

and so yeah dying because you can't insta kill crushers is a bit of a skill issue

playing around armor that doesn't die isntantly is a skill you can learn, and it makes the game more fun

[hearty panther]

soyjack dueling sword malice runner vs. chad tacaxe havoc 40 runner

[umbral radish]

dying because you can't kill the metal covered massive abhumans that are canonically as durable as orks without armor

is a skill issue?

[magic aurora]

yeah i just had a ton of fun last night in havoc 40 using the heavy sword 6 on veteran for the first time

[unreal nova]

Can just dueling sword H40 though, though am going back to knoife anyway. WS DS is funni though.

[hearty panther]

ive been pretty lucky actually, only last night did i get a dueling sword in my lobby for the first time since i started playing again

and i didnt even need to see it in their hands to know what they were using

such a stupid weapon

[umbral radish]

man veteran is ass I'm going back to ogryn :/

[supple laurel]

you chose to play off meta builds

[unreal nova]

Sadly. Vet just needs buffs tbh.

[supple laurel]

except you now make off-meta builds that are bad

this is what im hearing from you man

[magic aurora]

if you think shovel + bolter with exe stance is bad then i can't help you

shovel is the most based weapon in the game

[supple laurel]

bolter shreds single target and elites without exe stance hello??

[swift narwhal]

Been trying Out the left tree Veteran again, but feeling real squishy in melee

Wonder If middle or right tree is Just superoir?

[hearty panther]

are you taking the left nodes at the top, too

because that would be a big mistake

[supple laurel]

run middle, use this, dump cleave, only use powered version for everything

youll do fine

[swift narwhal]

I do fine only that left tree build i struggle with much

Was only trying it Out after a long time

[supple laurel]

if youre used to pathing through voc thats normal

you get used to having insta-replenish toughness ability

i only pathway through it now but ive played all the classes quite a bit so

[tall torrent]

which variant

[supple laurel]

mk4

[narrow frost]

Sorry to butt in, but the most fun I've had recently is using goofy vet guilds for havic

[tall torrent]

not useful

[narrow frost]

Like taxe agri combat shotgun with smokes

[supple laurel]

gonna just run elites since i dont think anything direct hits any breakpoints from some testing

[tall torrent]

maniac + carapace for mk4 helbore

[supple laurel]

thats fine but dude i see so many people go down 2 pathways

[narrow frost]

K

[supple laurel]

they either stick on the "use meta only", go down "get better skill wise but dont learn how to make proper builds" or "get better skill wise and learn how to make proper builds"

what i just saw is the first path

[narrow frost]

K

Not what I was talking about but go off

[supple laurel]

then i dont really understand why you decided to butt in to begin with

[tall torrent]

helbore 4? kinda

[narrow frost]

Talking to awuga

[tall torrent]

do u like waiting?

[supple laurel]

has good carapace damage

[stuck tree]

Oops

[tall torrent]

yea u want crit headshot with pretty dedicated ranged spec to make it 1 tap crusher

it takes some setup

ranged carapace dmg in general is not that great

[supple laurel]

which one do you go with then?

[tall torrent]

have u considered melee carapace dmg?

[supple laurel]

using the helbore for melee on carapace? hold on

[tall torrent]

no no

bringing a melee weapon that is good vs carapace

[supple laurel]

oh

[tall torrent]

so that u don't need ur ranged to do carapace dmg

[supple laurel]

im using the chainsword which can do okay single target, but im making a build generally with guns i havent used in awhile

[hollow ibex]

I prefer blasting crushers at point blank range

[little vortex]

updates: i fuck with plasma again

unarmored definitely best but i think i just had to get used to it again, plus i think my teammates were better today

[neon current]

duuude

1 off

[supple laurel]

dw game fucked me too

i just stopped caring and decided to use it

[neon current]

well, both is good enough

just wish tehre would be a way to get what you want

outside of gamba

[supple laurel]

simple

sell your soul to brunt

[neon current]

but I feel naked without my 25m

[supple laurel]

yeah i have 263K

dw

[neon current]

managed to cap melk the other week

apparently its 500k

[tall torrent]

this hits every breakpoint

it's fine

[supple laurel]

if im not going to use surgical on the helbore whats another option besides infernus

im hitting breakpoints with this build without surgical so atp i just need to find a nice comfort alternative for it

[hollow ibex]

What are you going to use if not surgical

[supple laurel]

thats why im asking...?

maybe falter...?

gotta test that before i try it

[tall torrent]

just take surgical

then WoF / hotshot prob

[supple laurel]

gonna go with falter because it staggers reapers

[wooden shard]

Guys how can I stop sucking?

[tame lodge]

Keep your toughness up

[narrow frost]

practice and learning

1st main thing is knowing the map/spawning and the enemies

[supple laurel]

especially enemys

[faint beacon]

You’d get a lot more out of Surgical + Falter mainly cause crits hit hard on Helbys, that and Shocktrooper if you’re running that

[narrow frost]

if you want its usually best to watch someone better then you

and see what they do

[supple laurel]

mapping and spawning is only more of a requirement in aurics or havoc

[narrow frost]

I have a few vet videos on the hardest difficulty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

[supple laurel]

yeah infernus is actually kinda useless here too

[wooden shard]

Nice man

[supple laurel]

ill run surgical and falter because why not

[narrow frost]

but keep trying and learning

the best advice

dont give up

[supple laurel]

im 2tapping every enemy with what the helbore is for

[faint beacon]

You don’t get enough Value from it like Laspistol and Recon do

Mainly why I don’t suggest Infernus on it

Outside of when Pus Hardened exists

[supple laurel]

well this isnt a havoc build so

[faint beacon]

More like thank god they took it outback and killed it

[wooden shard]

That's the thing tho. I like long range and the class is made for long range players, right? Should I invest in perks that improve my toughness while using a gun?

[faint beacon]

Miserable modifier lmao

[wooden shard]

I love my trusty lasgun

[supple laurel]

blight:

[tame lodge]

Oh uh
Vet hasn't been the ranged class for a while now

[tall torrent]

veteran is not made for long range players

[supple laurel]

honestly i fucking hate blight so much

[wooden shard]

For real?!

My bad then

[tame lodge]

He's currently a melee/ranged hybrid

[hearty panther]

yeah vet has strayed from the path

[wooden shard]

Oh got it

[supple laurel]

thge only ranged based class isnt made for long range

how ironic

[faint beacon]

You have to constantly reposition with Blight

[hearty panther]

ogryn and psyker do ranged better lul

[faint beacon]

Long Range class would be Psyker

[tall torrent]

veteran is not ranged based class either

[faint beacon]

I’m not saying Ogryn cause they do everyone’s job better

[tall torrent]

hasn't been since patch 13

[wooden shard]

How df Ogrynis better than a literal soldier dude 😭

[supple laurel]

???

zealot isnt

ogryn isnt

[tall torrent]

yea

[hearty panther]

ogryn shoot many bullet

make good at gun

[faint beacon]

Recent rework

[tall torrent]

psyker is

[wooden shard]

But I'll keep that in mind fellers

Ttl

[faint beacon]

Veteran hasn’t been touched since 2023

That’s why

[supple laurel]

actually it kinda makes sense if i think about it...?

[supple laurel]

veteran needs a partial rework imo

[narrow frost]

its funny seeing new players realize that psyker and ogryn do ranged better then vet

[tall torrent]

actually it's just entirely true

psyker is the ranged class

[faint beacon]

Its a nuclear level truth nuke

its unfortunate but its true

Doesn't make me stop maining Veteran

[supple laurel]

i knew pysker and ogyn did better but i didnt really think of pysker as a ranged class

[faint beacon]

but Im hoping they do anything in the future

[tall torrent]

I scratched radar charts and description paragraphs in guide btw

[supple laurel]

i guess i was kinda just stereotyping every class (veteran ranged pysker magic ogryn tank zealot melee)

[faint beacon]

You know whats funny

I showed my friend some of that to give him a rundown on what the Vet guide coming out looks like

he said in his opinion

[muted peak]

Can I discuss anything related to veteran class here?

[faint beacon]

that part was fluff

[tall torrent]

it's now replaced with smth significantly more minimalistic

[faint beacon]

and not really needed

[supple laurel]

no this is general chat but with image perms

like every other class chat

[narrow frost]

yes you can

[muted peak]

Alright ty

[narrow frost]

this is vet chat, go for it

[supple laurel]

(obviously im joking)

[tall torrent]

also, the real meat (TBA)

[faint beacon]

Veteran and Psyker are technically "Pick" classes being revolved around focusing HPT's

[muted peak]

Just got mained vet as a newbie so I was looking for a good special killer weapon

[faint beacon]

Aka horde happens but specials are in play

you kill the specials

[tall torrent]

fair critique

[muted peak]

Especially one that can penetrate carapace armour

[faint beacon]

unless you dont have anyone doing horde clear

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[faint beacon]

Power Sword VI

technically Rashad if you plan to stay away from Havoc

Rashad III Combat Axe

[supple laurel]

i was about to say rashad yeah

[muted peak]

Oh forgot to specify

A ranged weap

[tall torrent]

uh

[supple laurel]

uhhh

[faint beacon]

Bolter, Plasma

[supple laurel]

bolter fuck it

[tall torrent]

u start by not thinking about that tbh

[faint beacon]

Technically if you really want to suffer Helbore

[tall torrent]

boltgun is like the only one actually good at doing that

[muted peak]

Why cant I leave emojis damn

Anyways ty

[supple laurel]

plasma can too

[tall torrent]

nah

not worth

4 shots to kill a crusher

[supple laurel]

or revolver

[supple laurel]

is it really? one moment

[faint beacon]

I mean yeah with a certain build

[supple laurel]

oh wait

[faint beacon]

but uh

[tall torrent]

meme build ig

[muted peak]

By the way what exactly does laspistol specialize against?

[faint beacon]

Revolver in Havoc obviously isn't the best

[supple laurel]

4 shots if you dont charge yeah

[faint beacon]

honestly when you think about it in general

[supple laurel]

if you charge it a little it can 2 shot

[narrow frost]

asking about which enmies its good agaisnt or its role?

[narrow frost]

this

[muted peak]

🙏

[tall torrent]

12 ammo begone, not worth

[neon current]

nothing

laspistol is a worse 6c recon

[supple laurel]

the humble survalist:

[faint beacon]

Basically if its a: Flamer, Rager, Trapper

You will not do much damage against them

thats it

[neon current]

better crit dmg, far worse ammo econ

[tall torrent]

the worst ammo sustain in the game

[tall torrent]

recon is worse crit dmg

[muted peak]

I m still trying to make my 2 weapons cover their weakness and its a damn hard job

[neon current]

yes

[narrow frost]

what

me when I lie

[neon current]

is what I said yea, laspistol has better crit dmg but far worse ammo econ than 6c

[supple laurel]

also atp youre kinda just nitpicking (no offense). theres only so much you can really do with builds as theres not alot of carapace ranged options in general

[muted peak]

(Can't leave emojis so bear with me)👍

[narrow frost]

and for a good reason

range should not deal with cara

[faint beacon]

Just keep talking you'll get a red role and you'll be able to send images and react to things

[supple laurel]

true

[tall torrent]

yea why do u think the only answer I gave was boltgun

[muted peak]

Gotta grind

[tall torrent]

it's the only one actually sorta good at it and worth using in that role

[faint beacon]

Its sadly true nitpicking, mainly just shows off a lot of human arsenal weapons need tweaks

[tall torrent]

everything else not rly worth

[muted peak]

It shouldn't? Cuz sometimes enemies like maulers skip the frontline and come to me

[faint beacon]

It doesn't take long, basically just casually have conversations or discussions with people

[narrow frost]

talking about this in a balance viewpoint

[muted peak]

[muted peak]

Balance?

[neon current]

the idea of weapons having a weakness become irrevelant with ogryn rework

[supple laurel]

also generally speaking (and yes i know this is kinda a skill issue argument) but youre still gonna consume probably 5-6 bullets killing a crusher with bolter

[faint beacon]

If a carapace change were to ever happen I'd only pray they would slightly tone down the wall of carapace enemies

Except for maybe maulers

cause their chests exist for a reason

Flak Armored baby, easy damage

[tall torrent]

3

[steep flower]

OI man; I'm home; can play

and show ya da vet

[supple laurel]

okay yeah if you can drop it down to 3 bolter is better option

[faint beacon]

This coming from like non-ADS or ADSing

[neon current]

exe stance

[faint beacon]

Cause pinning fire + surgical can drop them extremely quick on Vet

[tall torrent]

doesn't rly matter it's just 3 shots

[muted peak]

What recommendations you can give to use with devil's claw sword as ranged weap?(trust level 9)

[tall torrent]

zarona 2a revolver

[supple laurel]

never used devil claw

[neon current]

throw DC into a dumpster fire on vet

dogshit melee

[faint beacon]

Heavy sword but worse

[muted peak]

DC?

[supple laurel]

so basically: dont use it

[faint beacon]

Dont have a Stagger tool, you have a parry

but plays exactly like Heavy Sword

I mean I suppose?

[muted peak]

I don't think I have it but gotta look

[faint beacon]

its fun but hard lmao

[muted peak]

Devil's claw is the same with heavy?

[tall torrent]

better yet just drop devil's claw if u don't fancy taking ages to kill flak armor

[muted peak]

Like playwise?

Or moveset

[faint beacon]

Light Heavy loops usually moveset wise and general play

[neon current]

DC is for sweatlords who mistake high skill ceiling with bad weapons

[faint beacon]

they're both weak against armor

[tall torrent]

very similar moveset and weaknesses, just a lot worse in the weakness part but it has a parry gimmick

[faint beacon]

unless its Heavy Sword

Heavy actually has Flak damage

[muted peak]

Actually I dont like that but I don't have any decent melee weapons except that, when I get ganked or face to face with an elite or melee unit I can parry and fast attack rate is good for now

[narrow frost]

This is why I love VT

super armor is managable with certain weapons and builds

wasnt spammed as much outside of chaos pats

[faint beacon]

Yeah thats what I noticed though I mean

[muted peak]

So you remonned heavy sword?

[faint beacon]

Cata CW patrols

[narrow frost]

very fun

[faint beacon]

thats fucking STUPID

LMAO

[narrow frost]

I think its 12-16 Cwarriors

I enjoy it

[faint beacon]

I just more so pray if it does happen (it most likely wont cause the playerbase likes rending)

[narrow frost]

remove rending

and tone down carapace

[faint beacon]

they just tone crushers spawn rates down

and boom its fine

Im absolutely fine with Mauler spam cause you just

idk

Shoot them in the chest

lmao

[tall torrent]

honestly
I would recommend learning power sword VI as early as possible then u can brand out for the more fun but less optimal stuff if u want

[narrow frost]

also gale, should I upload my havoc 40 duo today?

or leave it for later

[faint beacon]

uhhhh

Content fo today or no content fo today

idk if that locks you out of doing stuff

[muted peak]

I need a horde cleaner in my melee slot, is power sword for armor or horde?

[narrow frost]

doesnt

my mindset rn is post what I want

[tall torrent]

everything

[faint beacon]

All

[muted peak]

Oh

[faint beacon]

its a very stupid melee

[muted peak]

Sounds nice

[faint beacon]

your only weakness is not great Mobility

[neon current]

and by not great

[neon current]

he means absolutely fuckin garbage

[tall torrent]

nah

[faint beacon]

Basically

[muted peak]

Hmmmm

[neon current]

-12% dodge distance

[faint beacon]

but when you learn it, its really easy to pick up

[tall torrent]

it's not the worst mobility in the game

[neon current]

yea chainaxes are worse lel

as far as human melees go, they are top 3

[muted peak]

How about chainswords?

[tall torrent]

u REALLY should verify stuff before u say them

[faint beacon]

The fuck were they thinking with Chainaxes

[tall torrent]

because that is not true

[faint beacon]

Infantry lasguns of melee

powercrept into oblivion

[neon current]

can't verify stuff while I'm ingame, but they are within a few % mobility wise

[muted peak]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[neon current]

they both suck

[narrow frost]

lol

[muted peak]

Don't get what you mean

[faint beacon]

Thats the funny thing Chainsword is still

playable

[narrow frost]

everything is

[faint beacon]

its just everything does its job

[neon current]

bottom line is, PS mobility will definitely get you killed on havoc every now and than

[faint beacon]

so much better

thats why its recommended not to usually use it

[neon current]

but you gain infinite power in return

[faint beacon]

same with Inf Lasguns

yeah its playable but the other options do it better

they need tweaks

its sad

[muted peak]

You mean its broken so dont use it?

[neon current]

PS is not playable

PS is really fuckin good

but it will get oyu killed still

[faint beacon]

Not really no, they just haven't been buffed or changed in like YEARS

so they're old

and thus cause they're old

they're bad

[muted peak]

Hm

[faint beacon]

they couldn't keep up with the new Formula DT Dished out now

Back in the day though they were really solid choices

[muted peak]

Until I get power sword what can I use for horde cleaning?

[muted peak]

DT?

[faint beacon]

Darktide

[tall torrent]

no they are not lol

[muted peak]

Oh I finally understand that sentence

This language is so hard to understand at times

[tall torrent]

lowest mobility melee in the game is force greatsword

power sword is lowest for veteran but not lowest overall

[faint beacon]

It probably feels worse cause Veteran has huge stamina issues

[tall torrent]

no, just placebo

[faint beacon]

But I mean you can manage it with the -.25 Stam Delay nodes, or Focus Target with Target Down. I mainly use the Ladder if im having stam issues on any build

[tall torrent]

dodge properties are not related to stamina

the only effect is dodging pauses stamina regen like every other stamina consuming action

[faint beacon]

^ thats the main reason im bringing it up

[tall torrent]

gale do u wanna read code and do stagger charts

[faint beacon]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[narrow frost]

no

[faint beacon]

Yeah I probably should later to throw myself into the fire

[tall torrent]

it's a lot better than hand testing stagger breakpoints

[neon current]

@tall torrent hold on a second, did they buff chainaxe mobility?

dodge distance used to be -12%, not -2%

[tall torrent]

yea

ur like

[neon current]

figures

[tall torrent]

a few months late

to this information

[steep flower]

[neon current]

not an avid chainaxe enjoyer indeed

tried it once on zealot into rampage moebians

bad idea

[tall torrent]

[steep flower]

it is

[sudden cedar]

So is using a Combat Shotgun. Might still work out in the correct circumstances.

[narrow frost]

whats from with Cshotgun?

[neon current]

I use double barrel

thing is too much fun

normal shotguns, meh

[steep flower]

it is but i wish it could be better

[neon current]

yea

needs the kickback treatment

and get rid of the fuckin screenshake

[narrow frost]

what

[neon current]

I wouldnt mind a bit tighter spread and better dmg fall off

[steep flower]

its the animations that hold it back really

[neon current]

but yea

the screenshake is the biggest offender

[narrow frost]

it already can 2 shot snipers 100 meters away

[neon current]

you not shooting a fuckin BFG

yes I know how guarunteed pellets work

[steep flower]

1 shot if its damnation & you have WS with flechette (which you should have)

[sudden cedar]

A shotgun sniping targets 100 meters away. It sounds so wrong.

[tame lodge]

But it's doable

I remember my first sniper duel with a shotgun

90m

[steep flower]

End event at Consignment Yard?

[tame lodge]

Mercantile

Across the bridge before the amphitheater

[narrow frost]

@faint beacon

speaking of chaos pat

also this is heavy sword in VT

mk9 without the overhead

or mk1 Dclaw actually

[neon current]

its a giant 2he heavy sword lel

[cunning saffron]

yo i remember that there was this cheese on the devil's claw sword where if you blocked then parried a crusher overhead you could one-shot the crusher

did that get patched?

[neon current]

never worked like that

[narrow frost]

not cheese