veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I’ll dm u my steam friend code

[severe jolt]

the chain axe is le good

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah

On Zealot

[hasty grove]

I think it looks ugly tho

[hollow ibex]

i'm not disagreeing with you

[uncut pebble]

If you asked me "how do I build eviscerator" then I could genuinely recommend bloodthirsty because it has functionality outside of actually sticking enemies with rev attacks.

[uncut pebble]

It sounds 👌

[orchid hemlock]

How do you build Evis?

You get a force sword

[tall torrent]

Great
Now learn to forget that button exists for chainsword

[uncut pebble]

"How do I build eviscerator?"

Step 1, put it down.
Step 2, pick up relic blade instead.

[severe jolt]

I knew I was gonna get drilled about that

[hollow ibex]

no. i like to make all my teammates deaf

[tropic notch]

Isn’t there something like this in havoc with the regular force sword?

[uncut pebble]

Actually chaxe is great on vet, you just have to use weapon spec or you'll eat shit from the bad dodges.

[hasty grove]

I just dont understand why the base damage is so low

I can one shot most enemies in the game w revved attacks but it feels very weak when using normal attacks

[hollow ibex]

idk, chaxe feels really meh on vet

[tall torrent]

The activated attack is rly bad scaling into higher difficulties unfortunately

[orchid hemlock]

Wait it does?

CS op I was using it wrong this whole time

[hasty grove]

I cant tell if ur being sarcastic or fr

But yes, I can one shot everything w the revved attack including maulers and crushers because they’re left with a sliver of health that they lose to bleed damage

But my regular attacks feel weak and idk how to improve them

[tall torrent]

On damnation?

[orchid hemlock]

I need to see this

[hasty grove]

Ill check cus I dont usually play damnation

My main difficulty is heresy

[severe jolt]

As Zealot or Ogryn? You can absolutely 1-shot anything short of a monster

Dunno about vet though

[hasty grove]

The only enemies that dont get outrignt one shot by my revved attack are crushers and maulers but they die very shortly after to bleed

[severe jolt]

Forget about the 1-shot, I use the shittiest gun in the game and somehow it still kills even the hardest assholes in the game

[hasty grove]

Correction: I can almost one hit crushers

[tall torrent]

I personally wouldn't call half health as "almost one hit"

[orchid hemlock]

Oh you using Bloodletter

[tall torrent]

build crit

[hasty grove]

More like a 4th of their health than half

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah I don't take that

💀

[tall torrent]

shred + savage sweep

[orchid hemlock]

Prob one of the most mid blessings for CS

[hasty grove]

And since I use the bistol theyre pretty vulnerable to my follow up

[tame lodge]

Evis15 Legit broken

[orchid hemlock]

god I wish 😔

[tame lodge]

No need to wish

It already is

Multiple horrors beyond humanity?

Rev light

Huge horror beyond comprehension?
Rev heavy

Bloodthirsty it all

Go to town

Blood for the emperor

Skulls for the golden throne

[hasty grove]

“Get in there, make em scream!”

[sonic kayak]

So outstanding that it needs its own tier (below trash, it's a penalty to the team to equip it)

[muted prairie]

IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL

also holy crap i finally understand the duelling sword

[hasty grove]

GIVE ‘EM THE OL KASRKIN DOUBLE TAP!

[muted prairie]

just sprinting around at full speed, stabbing faces, i feel like a zealot

[hasty grove]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

Slay

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[hasty grove]

The dueling sword isn’t my style but I respect ppl who get good w it

[tall torrent]

It’s the easiest melee weapon in the game by far

[muted prairie]

i didn't reeeally give it a fair shot for the longest time because of its subpar horde clear, but the upsides way more than make up for it

[hollow ibex]

it better get nerfed to the fucking ground lol

[hasty grove]

Theres a difference between ppl who just use it cus it’s good and people who actually make an effort to understand it and engage w it beyond “lol mega crit”

[hasty grove]

I do agree that it needs an ENORMOUS nerf

[serene bough]

I think they should nerf recon again

🙂

[hasty grove]

Agreed

I hate the recon lasgun

Its the only weapon in this game that makes me immediately think less of someone for using

[tame lodge]

I think they should only nerf the cleave on lights

Keep everything else

It won't solve all the problems with DS

[last marten]

return ds to psyker only 😌

[hasty grove]

A shitty little toothpick sword should NOT be out DPS’ing my Ogryn swinging around a club

[hasty grove]

Psyker is already too strong as it is imo

[last marten]

yeah i love psyker

[hasty grove]

Some psyker builds are so obscenely op they’re not even fun to play with

Like oh wow, you cleared this entire room w ur dart thingies before I even got to get into the fight 😕

[calm shard]

literal highest melee damage amp in the game

or well close

if I had 30 SG stacks and 25 DD stacks it Might, maybe one shot if you hold the entire rev on them

and get a crit

[uncut pebble]

The only way for chord to oneshot crushers is to use the chastise trick.

[elder vessel]

khorne does not like you

[uncut pebble]

Are... you supposed to... want him to..?

🤨

[sonic kayak]

I like you

[elder vessel]

favor of the dark gods is like the entire point of this galaxy existing

[narrow frost]

a classic

[uncut pebble]

John Darktide himself.

[sonic kayak]

I too enjoy games that allow me to choose every single talent node available because I get enough points to unlock them all

[umbral scaffold]

As an assail psyker, can confirm this is true. To a degree.

I tend to use my shards for long range sniping of dreg gunners, shot gunners, etc.

I only spam shards if I run into a rager patrol or gunner patrol.

But I know what you mean. Some assail psykers just shard dump constantly, so you sort of just sit back and watch them do everything.

And then go down in a heap after being hit a couple times 😂

[uncut pebble]

If vet was able to take every one of his talents he would be fucking unstoppable.

[sonic kayak]

Not as unstoppable as you

[sharp epoch]

in havoc atleast, melee ogryns will outdamage melee psykers

and assail sucks there

[sharp epoch]

I wonder what class would be best in that instance

[uncut pebble]

Ogryn.

And its not even close.

MASSIVE toughness pool and regeneration capability, can perfect block overheads without taking damage, can apply brittleness with every weapon, has insane damage resistance, applies bleed with every melee...

Not even going to mention ranged capabilities either.

[sharp epoch]

most ogryns have all those minus the perfect block and brittleness already

its pretty easy to path

[hollow ibex]

yeah ogryn would be literally unkillable

the ONE threat it would have is trappers

[uncut pebble]

Skullbreaker ogryns miss out on a good bit of stuff, but what they're strong at, they're really strong at. Ogryn feels terrible for me to play if I'm not doing skullbreaker.

I'm just saying skullbreaker is very good, and if you got to have that plus the rest of your tree, you would put the other classes all to shame.

[sharp epoch]

ive done a hybrid lugger build woth lucky bullet and taunt + the bleed synergies its strong af and outdamages everyone

[heavy pewter]

how do u show the damage numbers ?

[torn depot]

I wish for abhuman veteran

Like a Beastman

Or Felinid

[hollow ibex]

healthbar mod

[heavy pewter]

ty

[calm shard]

well no

that's default psykhanium behaviour

I don't use healthbars mod because it's too much of a cheat mod for my tastes

[hollow ibex]

oh forgot psyk displays healthbars

well i assume he was asking for it in actual matches too

[heavy pewter]

can i download it in steam mods or do i need to go for the nexus website ?

[narrow frost]

Nexusmods is where you download mods for Darktide

unlike VT its not built into steam

[severe jolt]

ogryns are so busted now that it makes me feel bad for the traitors
like, entire crusher packs are no big deal even with just a knife...

[scarlet crescent]

VT has mods on steam?

[unreal nova]

VT2 workshop.

[tropic halo]

Though lot of mods require you to play on modded realm

Which does not progress your main save

[tacit kindle]

Anyone know how to make loadouts work i create loadouts but it doesnt save anything

[unreal nova]

Just get the one that gives you everything maxed so you can just play like L4D2.

[tropic halo]

Maxed all equipment and levels?

[severe jolt]

On PC? Hit Esc after you pick your talents, if you switch to a different tab in the menu they reset but if you exit the menu they stay. I have no idea why that is, but it works for me that way.

[tacit kindle]

Got it ill try it ty

[mild hill]

When’s the made in abyss watch along starting ?

[severe adder]

is there a breakpoint so vet can reliably one shot gunners and other elites with plasma

[mild hill]

So what you wanna do is not use plasma

[severe adder]

oh whys that

i thought it was good for high level havoc

[grand perch]

Dreg gunner 1hs breakpoint can be reached with unarmoured damage perk

Don't remember right now if that goes for high havoc as well

[severe adder]

is that feasable or not really unless you only hit headshots

[grand perch]

It's the recommended perk for sure.

Dreg gunners don't really move around much, easy headshot targets

[ocean idol]

doub it is something you can pull off often

[tall torrent]

there really isn't

[humble dome]

Ahem

[dry pivot]

Looking at trying the ahh

"actual good kriegsman build"

It seems like free ammo crits and guaranteed crits would be a good combo

[unreal nova]

Just throw in survivalist for the times you need to shoot way more times in quick succession. You shouldn't be needing more than a tin.

[dry pivot]

What do I dump with helbore

It all seems pretty important

Maybe recoil doesn't matter so much if you're charging between shots

[dry pivot]

Oh yeah that's part of the build

Ogryn main but played with veterans where ammo was basically infinite lol

2 toughness curios? And 1... idk what

[tall torrent]

health

[dry pivot]

The vet has much more interaction with toughness than the others I think

Yeah health does more for you most of the time than wounds I guess, there is no guarantee the team can pick you up with +1 wound in high level

Avoid being downed rather than get more chances to be downed

[tall torrent]

not necessarily

both ogryn and zealot scale better with toughness because they have better TDR

[dry pivot]

Should I take off my 3 max health curios from ogryn

I like them because he has such high base health, it scales really well lol

[elder fiber]

Take off your ogryn

[dry pivot]

My ogryn,,,

noooo

[elder fiber]

Real talk ogryn has broken tdr and toughness regen so going 3 toughness still best

[dry pivot]

Okay, I think I'll try that at some point then

Now that you mention it he can just regen toughness by hitting things to death

I mean most people can, but particularly ogryn

And it's a percentage of max toughness

[tall torrent]

yea
because ogryn scales way better with toughness than health

ogryn has the highest TDR availability

[dry pivot]

Right right, I'm only just getting into the guts of the game lol, have mostly been going off vibes

[elder fiber]

If you have cstrike you can facetank anything that isn't a disabler if you're hitting shit in melee

[tall torrent]

so your 200 toughness usually actually account for 400+ toughness most of the time

[dry pivot]

That's insane

Bring a voc vet too like my friend

[tall torrent]

veteran gets 230~250 effective toughness usually?

[dry pivot]

I come from pre-talent rework when vet had the most toughness I think

[tall torrent]

yea it got obliterated

[unreal nova]

More, assuming 200 toughness. First hit taken is always 50% off.

[elder fiber]

Yeah pre nerf exe stance giving you 75% tdr lmao

[dry pivot]

I'm guilty of using the stand still to become invisible talent, but in my defence it let me actually kill threats to the team much better, I was using the power for good

[tall torrent]

no, it is around 230~250 usually

50% TDR at >75% toughness just means x1.25 effective toughness

[dry pivot]

So TDR is total damage resistance and it scales with toughness, if I understand correct?

[tall torrent]

u can build for 200 toughness fairly easily with enough investment

[tall torrent]

no

[dry pivot]

Oh

[tall torrent]

TDR is toughness dmg reduction

DR is dmg reduction

ogryn has both

[unreal nova]

That's 2 toughness+3x5%

[tall torrent]

they all stack multiplicatively

[dry pivot]

Right I did know vaguely that the more toughness, the less damage

It just felt great having so much health lol

[tall torrent]

200 toughness with iron will is ~250

nowhere close to ogryn and zealot level

[dry pivot]

So really high toughness also means you take less toughness damage?

[tall torrent]

no

[dry pivot]

[tall torrent]

for example if u have 100 toughness and get hit for 30

having 200 toughness doesn't change that 30 toughness dmg

but TDR will reduce that

[dry pivot]

Where do you get toughness damage reduction then

[unreal nova]

Just means less bleedthrough.

[tall torrent]

talents

[dry pivot]

They really do a poor job of telling you this

[tall torrent]

no? it's actually all written in the game

[dry pivot]

Whaaat

[tall torrent]

the talents that give u TDR and DR

they're specified as being dmg reduction

the part not written in the game is how they interact with each other

[dry pivot]

I guess you're right, they give you the numbers but it doesn't really explain how it impacts gameplay very well

This was a new term to me until recently

[unreal nova]

Like 100 toughness with 30 taken means 60% bleedthrough if the enemy hits twice, while at 200 toughness means 30% bleedthrough to hp.

[dry pivot]

Now I can see it's just separate damage reduction for toughness and health

Ogryn stuff mostly seems to be DR

[unreal nova]

Which is better than just TDR.

[dry pivot]

Does it also apply to toughness

[unreal nova]

Is just general damage reduction.

[tall torrent]

DR is both health and toughness

TDR is only health

[dry pivot]

I can dump a couple of talents from my ogryn build, I think

Put them in DR

[sudden cedar]

There are some great Ogryn players around here that can offer help with that if you want it.

[tame lodge]

Stability

[unreal nova]

Better to ask in oggy mains lul.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-knife-tricks-sausage-flip-hotdog-flip-gif-25236336

[dry pivot]

I figured since you're charging it up and it already has good recoil

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Its quite civilized here.

[tall torrent]

what does ur build look like

[dry pivot]

I got a good switch shovel and helbore roll in a couple of tries

It's a bit spread out because I put some in melee, some in ranged and some in the middle to hard knocks

But it has worked super well for me

[tall torrent]

I meant ur ogryn build

[dry pivot]

I meant that

[sudden cedar]

What is the difficulty, out of curiosity?

[tall torrent]

how do u build ogryn while avoiding DR

[unreal nova]

More like, much numbers, very number. Headache incoming.

[sudden cedar]

You have a headache?

[dry pivot]

I chill around heresy but it works in damnation

[unreal nova]

Is joke, I just can't math.

[sudden cedar]

Math is hard.

[dry pivot]

Ogryn got a nice buff with a reduction of the wasted in-between talent points and some things becoming base kit rather than having to split off into them

[sudden cedar]

@dry pivot Right, got it.

[unreal nova]

All down right, very specifically skipping like 2 nodes.

Heh.

[tall torrent]

u can just build smth like this most of the time

[dry pivot]

Lol I go the right side

[unreal nova]

I know, why free headache.

[unreal nova]

So I guessed correctly then.

[dry pivot]

Since they added Concentrate, you can snipe with gorgonum twin-link

I play with randoms and being the jack of all trades helps quite a bit

[sudden cedar]

Teammates are just added difficulty modifiers.

[dry pivot]

True, it's part of the fun lol

[agile forge]

Even Achlys kinda

[dry pivot]

My favourite is gorg, but maybe I should try the others

[agile forge]

Achlys feels great

You really feel like TF2 heavy with it

[unreal nova]

Look, you know I goof up often at 300 ping reeeeeeeeeeee

[dry pivot]

Would apply those burn stacks during the power much faster in a crowd

[agile forge]

Worse performance into Crushers but better vs everything else I think

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Hey, you are doing fine for playing from OCE.

[dry pivot]

I don't really bother shooting crushers anyway tbh, twin-links are all bad at that

[agile forge]

More efficient when firing into a crowd too

[dry pivot]

3 shield punches and dead

[agile forge]

Yeah, exactly

I just stab them in the face

Like 5 hits with a mark 4 cleaver works

[unreal nova]

SEA. SG. I'm not from Roo land or Kiwi land.

[agile forge]

Mostly I let them be somebody else's problem though lol

[dry pivot]

I think the cleaver punch is a useful attack in itself these days isn't it

I leveled up to 30 with cleaver

[agile forge]

Really strong now

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Right, my bad for mixing those two regions.

[magic yoke]

Having to play a build the keeps every possibility in mind because the average random has a nasty habit of trying to face tank a chaos spawn on psyker

[dry pivot]

Used to be a bit like psyker electro staff, only good for staggering, but now it has great single target damage

[unreal nova]

One plays APAC central, the other plays APAC south.

[agile forge]

Or go hyper-specialist and just be prepared for some silly team wipes

[sudden cedar]

@magic yoke Sounds like fun.

[agile forge]

Failure is part of the game :D

[dry pivot]

It sounds like psyker electro staff, when you level up warp nexus enough can crit a lot

[unreal nova]

But a Good Psyker can do it though.

[dry pivot]

And the one that lets you charge it faster back to back

[magic yoke]

Boss bashers are great because my teammates keep the horde occupied

[sudden cedar]

Zealot.

[agile forge]

And vice versa

My psykers usually ignore the boss and keep the bosskillers safe while they work

(Or they take a gun and kill the boss in two mags)

[unreal nova]

Don't remind me. When your dinky knoife is the best armour delete, you know your team fook up hard somewhere.

[sudden cedar]

Combat Knife is a legitimate weapon.

[agile forge]

Remember when we used to be pigeonholed into using a can opener ripper

[sudden cedar]

At least it is no Dueling Sword.

[unreal nova]

Still not good vs 6 crushers.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova True, you use the Dueling Sword for that

[agile forge]

I think he means the little'un knife

that is great against everything

[sudden cedar]

Sadly, it is. Yes.

[unreal nova]

Not crusher hordes.

[sudden cedar]

Even against Crusher Hordes.

[unreal nova]

You run out of stam after the first.

[sudden cedar]

You just a bit more patience.

[agile forge]

Even then, its strength is absolutely... Uncanny.

If you're using the push knife you need some kind of stamina kit anyway

Either a curio or just being a Psyker

[sudden cedar]

You don't want to fight a Crusher Horde head-on anyway

[unreal nova]

That is with +3.

[agile forge]

Heresy.

[sudden cedar]

Hey, it is the reasonable thing to do.

[unreal nova]

Not much when everyone is either down or worse at armoured.

[agile forge]

Reasonable means heretical.

[sudden cedar]

At least i don't want to end as pancake on the floor.

@unreal nova sounds like a skill issue

[dry pivot]

What does Strength do exactly

People were kind of speculating back in the day

[unreal nova]

Everything offensive.

Is like power.

[sudden cedar]

It may be straight up more damage?

[tame lodge]

Used to be power

[magic yoke]

Could always play duelling sword because thats a fun and engaging experience for the rest of the team

[tame lodge]

Renamed to Strength

It's more damage, cleave and stagger

[dry pivot]

So like damage

Ahh

[sudden cedar]

Enough Duelling Swords.

[unreal nova]

H40 sure, BS being countered by BS is fine.

[dry pivot]

I heard zealots love duelling swords now, better than combat blades every way besides maybe crit

[sudden cedar]

You don't need the Duelling Sword for H40

@dry pivot Many do, i don't.

[magic yoke]

its very boring is all imo, I prefer a bit of relic blade or thunder hammer

[dry pivot]

I can understand being stuck in your ways, I've been doing it for years

[sudden cedar]

It is undeniably an amazingly strong (overpowered) weapon. But i prefer the Relic Blade.

[unreal nova]

Shush. I have 300 ping on controller.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You get a pass Karien.

You are our Aura Bot after all. (please don't stab me)

[dry pivot]

If I got into zealot I'd want to try the 2 handed power sword

[unreal nova]

My knoife crits more though.

[sudden cedar]

The Relic Blade is a good weapon.

And fun to use.

Also, the Duelling Sword will attract a lot of .. not so good players... and it makes them kill stuff. Does not mean they are good players all of a sudden.

[unreal nova]

0 mobility with flamer. I tried it, no go.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah well don't use a flamer then?

Like.. for what would you need a flamer when you have the relic blade already?

Your outrageous ping and the sacrifices that may come with that aside.

You would want a fast to pull out weapon that will also not slow you down, but rather lets you move faster. Revolver, Bolt Pistol, Las Pistol.

Lasgun, Recon, Autogun, Vigilant.

Flamer and Boltgun will slow you down way too much.

[unreal nova]

I know. That weird fury build papa never saw till that one day ran bistol+relic.

[sudden cedar]

Bolt Pistol is okay.

[magic yoke]

Personally I like a bit of recon lasgun on zealot, either that or bolt pistol and revolver are fun

[sudden cedar]

Yup, good pairing with the Relic Blade.

[agile forge]

Vraks 5 is always a good choice too

With the amount of crits we get if we go Blazing too

(Does Blazing affect ranged crits?)

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[unreal nova]

I'm just more used to Bistol from Vet, lul.

[sudden cedar]

Yes, Bolt Pistol is okay.

[dry pivot]

Haven't actually tried it yet

[magic yoke]

Pretty sure

[dry pivot]

It looks pretty great

[agile forge]

Love bolt pistol on my martyrdom chainaxe build

Zealot version of Big Friendly Rock

[dry pivot]

Oh yeah being able to whip that thing out with a zealot is nice

Kill the things you can't immediately kill with melee

[agile forge]

Emperor's finger, innit

Point it at a heretic that you wished never existed

[sudden cedar]

I prefer the Revolver over the Bolt Pistol.

[agile forge]

And the Emperor hears your prayer

[dry pivot]

I never used the revolver much even when the game came out

[agile forge]

I used to, but the reload kills me

And I like the bleed from the bolt pistol

[dry pivot]

I always felt the low ammo

[agile forge]

And on a chain axe, it also helps a little with hammering a crowd

Since chain axes aren't great against large groups

[sudden cedar]

@agile forge pro's and con's to everything

[agile forge]

You can get through them, but sometimes you need to hit a few splashes too

[agile forge]

Absolutely. Zarona is amazing too

[unreal nova]

Is the same for all but dueling sword. Well, horde clear but...

[agile forge]

I think bolt pistol hipfires a little better

But Zarona is still a god for a reason. Way better vs Crushers too.

[magic yoke]

Duelling is still pretty alright on horde clear, probably a bit too much

[sudden cedar]

Using the Zarona, the Agripinaa is not my kind of style.

[dry pivot]

Okay so... a cool +20% DR in melee with hopefully not much damage loss on my ogryn now

[agile forge]

It's bad, but not bad enough

[unreal nova]

Not in H40. Lul.

[dry pivot]

I was going for weakspots anyway so strike true shouldn't feel much different from furious

And I should take 2 toughness and 1 health curios

[sudden cedar]

It depends

[magic yoke]

The real issue is probably that crit zealot bypasses all of dueling swords issues with large crowds (the class duelling sword is the most busted on imo)

[dry pivot]

I always liked health because it massively increases it with the ogryn's already high base health

[agile forge]

Since we can use a flamer too?

[sudden cedar]

Personally, i run 3 toughness curious, but if you feel the need for more health or stamina, go for it.

[dry pivot]

But I suppose health curios aren't really doing much most of the time, if you're playing right

[agile forge]

Triple toughness, non negotiable

[sudden cedar]

Everything is negotiable.

[agile forge]

Ogryn toughness DR and regeneration is CRAZY

[magic yoke]

That too, even if duelling sword is nerfed I think it should probably be taken off zealot

[agile forge]

And you have plenty of health at base

[sudden cedar]

You can't put it back into the box at this point, really.

[unreal nova]

+9 stam on slab to just inf FNP push bonk.

[dry pivot]

I think it's fine to have slightly overpowered things, because people can use them and have fun but they will inevitably get bored and try other things

[sudden cedar]

Almost every Zealot would cry havoc over it.

[agile forge]

I was worried about it hurting Psyker if it got nerfed... but force greatsword is more fun for a gunker anyway imo now

[dry pivot]

I always take deimos mk iv

[agile forge]

So I don't care, turn it into a literal toothpick lol

[sudden cedar]

Never really got to it, but i am sure it is great.

[dry pivot]

Idk it seems like the most versatile psyker melee

[agile forge]

I only took it with my gunker build

Duelling I mean

[magic yoke]

I’m just using it to max it out and go back to playing other things atm

[unreal nova]

I'm going back to knoife tbh. More crits, more book.

[dry pivot]

And a tiny psyker putting a crusher on his ass with a heavy weakspot stab is really funny
If you can followup with a well aimed special charge you can two shot them

[agile forge]

Deimos is friggin fantastic

Love it on inferno and voidblast builds

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You do you.

[agile forge]

Since you don't need a melee for anything other than defense and single target

[dry pivot]

Love it love it

It's alright in crowds too

[agile forge]

Deimos is imo the best defensive weapon in the game

[dry pivot]

Just kind of have to dodge a lot

[agile forge]

I wouldn't know, since my voidblast is too thirsty

[dry pivot]

If you have the ranged deflection blessing then blocking costs less

Yeah I have been checking out a lightning build

[tame lodge]

Zealot can definitely hit h40 trash breakpoints

[sudden cedar]

Consider Empathic Evasion.

[dry pivot]

But also I feel more comfortable with the flamethrower staff and brainburst

[tame lodge]

[dry pivot]

Both with deimos of course

[agile forge]

Tbh, I think electrokinetic isn't great right now

[dry pivot]

For real?

[agile forge]

I used to run it with Illisi, but the mettle nerf ruined my melee survival cheese with it

[dry pivot]

I think if you boost the crit chance with high peril, warp nexus I think it's called, it's nice single target

[agile forge]

Maybe it works with a good cleave melee

But Illisi ain't it now imo

[agile forge]

It's serviceable, but vulnerable imo

[dry pivot]

But yeah I'm way more comfortable with the flame staff and brainburst

[agile forge]

If I'm gonna use a single target staff, I just go full fake gunker with a voidstrike

Crusher one-shots are fun

[dry pivot]

Psyker can get overwhelmed in melee, so if you have a way to just kill massive hordes then it's pretty handy

[agile forge]

FGS says swoosh

[dry pivot]

I can't oneshot crushers but I can theoretically 2 shot them just with the deimos lol

I need to practice the 2nd head strike

[unreal nova]

I meant the cleave bit. You know the joke it is horde clear, in uprising.

[agile forge]

Voidstrike is just a silly machine really. It gets stupid value from Disrupt Destiny

[dry pivot]

I'll have to try it sometime

Actually you know, inferno got a new blessing that applies brittleness?

[agile forge]

It's still probably bad

But it's powerful as fuck

[dry pivot]

I had a friend who loved the aoe stagger staff

[agile forge]

Yeah, I kinda don't rate it though. It's a distant third for me.

[dry pivot]

Huh

[agile forge]

Blaze Away and Nexus are way too good

[tame lodge]

Nothing wrong with killing a walker/groaner per swing

[dry pivot]

Maybe it's too inefficient to do work

[tame lodge]

Still horde clearing

[agile forge]

Would rather just stab the crusher if it's just 1

[dry pivot]

My psyker is bad because I only played ogryn all this time

[agile forge]

Or if it's like 10, I could try the uncanny trick

[dry pivot]

But I played enough to love the deimos

[agile forge]

Voidblast is glorious

Try it out yourself at 30 (since it needs to be built right)

[magic yoke]

I’ve been putting off playing ogryn because I know my brain will instantly decay to just walking around light attacking with a bully club and magically getting a victory screen

[dry pivot]

Yeah I maxed out all classes when the game came out

[agile forge]

Blazing Spirit, Nexus, Flak, Crit Chance and dump Warp Resistance

[dry pivot]

Sort of why I'm scared to try them again now lol

I've just been looking at veteran stuff since it feels a bit simple and easy to grasp

You got your gun and your melee

Sort of like my ogryn

[agile forge]

Veteran is the one class that still eludes me tbh

I mean I can make recon VoC work

[dry pivot]

Well

[agile forge]

Because I have two hands and a pair of eyes

[dry pivot]

There is a talent that gives you infinite ammo during volley

[unreal nova]

When it's H40, that's multiple swings per pox.

[dry pivot]

Infinite ammo, infinite magazine

[magic yoke]

Does veteran have class exclusive weapons?

[agile forge]

But I can't get as funky with veteran apart from my silly vraks 5 ex stance build

[dry pivot]

And there is a famously low capacity weapon, the bolter

Can you put 2 and 2 together

[agile forge]

Plasma, shovels

[agile forge]

That's only in Mortis

[tame lodge]

I just said that you can easily meet breakpoints for one shotting 1 trash horde enemy per swing on Zealot

Are you even reading

😭

[dry pivot]

I'll be very disappointed if so

[tulip zenith]

New player via gamepass any helpful suggestions or tips for starting out ?weapons or skills ?

[agile forge]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

[magic yoke]

Ogryn

[unreal nova]

Thing is, maybe. I clearly don't.

[agile forge]

Voice of Command makes veteran very easy. Take the talent that gives it bonus toughness, skip the one that makes it revive people.

[dry pivot]

Alright, well I will still take crit kriegsman with the talent that doesn't consume ammo for crits

Apparently people like the folding shovel

[agile forge]

It's fun but scales badly imo.

[dry pivot]

Oh?

[tulip zenith]

Thanks

[dry pivot]

What would you suggest, maybe chain axe? Or combat axe with brutal momentum

[agile forge]

The single target deletion strike leaves you so vulnerable and has such a long wind up

[dry pivot]

Ah I see

Not really what you want on vet

[unreal nova]

It can one shot crushers, but is slower.

[agile forge]

I love my zealot's chain axe, but wouldn't know how it works on veteran

Combat axes are great and easy, but need some minimal build investment.

At LEAST make it blue and give it brutal momentum

For any difficulty

[dry pivot]

I guess I shouldn't write off power sword, I just come from a time when it was completely gimped to use it without the special

[unreal nova]

@steep flower Ask Papa. He takes it to H40.

[agile forge]

And use either the Antax for lower levels, or the Rashad.

[agile forge]

It still is lol

[dry pivot]

Ok

[agile forge]

But now power cycler is free

[dry pivot]

Yeah I kinda figured lol

The update that lets you actually change things without locking them really opened up the game

[agile forge]

Power sword is great, but I cba with the incessant charge-ups

It kills my flow

[heavy rover]

Don't feel the need to rush to higher difficulties the moment you unlock them. Make sure you get a feel for the game's movement and pacing. Also right before you get hit, you'll hear a "whoosh" sound. That's a sound cue to dodge

[dry pivot]

Vet was my first class, I worked my way down the list

[agile forge]

It's OK to not go above Malice til you have your first level 30

[dry pivot]

So power sword was great back in the day

[agile forge]

I mean try to go higher if you WANT to but yeah

[dry pivot]

But heresy was a lot harder back then too lol

[agile forge]

Still is! I just hate it.

I wouldn't recommend against it, I just can't make it work myself.

Personal provlem

[dry pivot]

Yeah if a weapon feels bad then you'll not use it quite to the max, you should just use the stuff that feels right and you can get the best out of

[magic yoke]

I have yet to go above heresy difficultly

[tame lodge]

That being said
Psword 6 is vet's number 1 melee weapon

[dry pivot]

Damnation is alright but requires a good team and a really solid build, something I'm lacking both of lol

My ogryn works on damnation but mostly through sheer stubbornness

[sudden cedar]

i have to disagree

Damnation does not require that.

It makes it easier, but it is not necessary.

[dry pivot]

I guess you can if you want a hard time go with a bad team and no coherent build?

[vivid silo]

I use Chain Axe (Mk IV) on my Vet for everything (including Havoc 40's). I'd say it really wants build investment (optimally, more than the Combat Axes)

[tulip zenith]

Okay I’ve been watching vids tryna get a good understanding on things

[vivid silo]

But you can probably make it work with less investment than I throw into it

[agile forge]

Would you mind sharing your full build?

[vivid silo]

Sure, sec

[agile forge]

I'm a world eater at heart

[dry pivot]

Heresy is comfortable for me, I mean auric is like a funny challenge without inflating the damage the enemies do

Just so many pinning specials

[agile forge]

So more excuses to take Papa Khorne's favourite weapon makes me happy

[dry pivot]

It's pretty good training for dodging hounds and trappers and such

[steep flower]

Need some chainaxe guiding mah man?

[agile forge]

It gets more comfortable the more you experience it

[agile forge]

Please do share your build :)

[dry pivot]

Maybe if I can work out a specialised build damnation will be comfy too, as it stands I feel like versatility is the way to go joining randoms

[magic yoke]

Whats the recommended dump stat for recon lasgun

[dry pivot]

Not like there isn't some wiggle room

I would probably leave mobility behind

[agile forge]

Collateral imo

[dry pivot]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[steep flower]

Will do but in like… 6 - 7h? Still at work and after it i’ll be going to a card shop; will private message you on discord in that time

[agile forge]

Mobility gives some minor spread reduction

In recons

[dry pivot]

Oh! I never knew that

[agile forge]

Collateral just does only stagger, which a recon just... doesn't do

[dry pivot]

What does stagger do on a lasgun except make it harder to hit weakspots anyway

[steep flower]

Mobility; the collat in havoc can stagger bombers with crit heads & infernus dmg

[dry pivot]

Huh

Neat

[agile forge]

Mobility then lol

[dry pivot]

Bombers are fucking annoying lol

Especially the gas ones

I honestly think they should be removed

Or reworked

Skill issue I know

[agile forge]

Bombers are the biggest harbingers for a wipe imo

[steep flower]

The only bad thing with 60 mobility is moving spread but that can be easily countered by burst firing instead of holding down the trigger

[agile forge]

They never do it on their own, but they are a HUGE force multiplier

[steep flower]

Tox bombers

[dry pivot]

Constant health drain and loss of visibility is how you die

This is sort of why I value jack of all trades ogryn so much, can snipe bombers

[steep flower]

When i enter a mission and see dregs i know its gonna be harder due to them

[torn gorge]

just tweak the config file so your game has peak visual clarity and the fidelity of a deus ex 1 game

[dry pivot]

Snipe and snipe for days, while still doing enough hordeclear or melee special killing

[vivid silo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f130351-1e7c-4fc8-b24d-501e09a338ba
It's tailored more for mobility than damage, personally I really like the Stamina regen cooldown reduction nodes. You can absolutely get by with only 1 (or 0) of them and prioritize more damage if you feel like it

[dry pivot]

Nice, I always wondered about chain axe

[magic yoke]

Ngl I have a personal hate for poxbursters, I can hear them coming but they’re the only enemy I struggle to figure out the direction they’re coming from

[dry pivot]

Pretty straightforward strength boosts

[vivid silo]

My builds are usually not 100% meta though, I like doing my own thing a bit

[dry pivot]

I mean if it feels good then it's meta for you

[steep flower]

Could be better

[vivid silo]

Aye, guess that's true

[dry pivot]

You're going to play better with something that feels right

So that ends up helping the team more

[vivid silo]

Yep, that's why I play the game to begin with

[vivid silo]

Aye I am probably too reliant on the stamina cooldown reduction

[dry pivot]

A little stamina curio kind of helps the poor base mobility of vet and psyker

[steep flower]

Thats not that bad; your main horde CC is push att into heavy so it works

[dry pivot]

If you think about it it's used defensively, like for pushing enemies

[torn gorge]

the real threat are your teammates, not the poxburster themselves

[dry pivot]

This guy has the ring of chloranthy on

[vivid silo]

Aye I usually run a stamina curio for my Chain Axe unless I'm really feeling in the zone

[dry pivot]

What's the push attack like

Just recently realised ogryn shield push attack is basically as strong as the heavy 1

But it comes out almost instantly

[steep flower]

I stopped using stam curios for a long time; in general if you get enough experience you realise extra stam is not that needed; better get hp curio on vet so you dont get 1 shot by a burster

[dry pivot]

One +2 stam curio helps with the classes that have low base

[steep flower]

Its all in positioning & micromanaging

[vivid silo]

Aye but I often feel a bit rusty since I don't get to play as much as I used to because of children

so the extra stamina is a bit of a crutch for me

[magic yoke]

When I go to push a poxburster but a teammate shoots it and it immediately blows up on me

[dry pivot]

I wouldn't worry this much about regen and block, but I guess this makes the veteran way stronger in melee to cover his weakness

[steep flower]

Ah fair; its a comfort pick

[torn gorge]

wait until you get teammates pushing bursters onto you

[magic yoke]

Vile behaviour ngl

[vivid silo]

But when the wife and kids are away for a couple of days, I ditch the Stam curio and go to town

[unreal nova]

Funni 9 stam push bonk build.

[steep flower]

Also i would not recomend having block cost redu; you more than likely not gonna block in majority of the situations

[vivid silo]

IIRC it's higher cleave, lower damage, slightly faster

[dry pivot]

It's the club bonk, it comes out so fast

From above too, so you know the hitbox is going for the head

[vivid silo]

I like it for being able to pickup teammates in a tight spot mostly, but yeah, definitely not necessary

Shredders / VoC are usually enough though

[unreal nova]

I know. I run it.

[dry pivot]

Box? Lunch?

[steep flower]

Usually your shout should be enough to revive a teammate; toughness is more important

I personally run 1 stam regen on my vet and its fine

[agile forge]

I think I would tweak that to have weapon specialist or focus target

[steep flower]

All boils down to positioning so you don’t have to run around much

[agile forge]

But thank you ❤️

[dry pivot]

Clutch potential can't be underestimated, but yeah I like the idea more of voc helping alive teammates from being downed, since they tend to be alive most of the time

[steep flower]

Prevention is better than healing

[dry pivot]

Might change my tune when I attempt havoc 40

[agile forge]

Yellow toughness is so strong

[steep flower]

Hit me up in 7h

We gonna ball

[agile forge]

Veteran is all about maximising yellow time

[dry pivot]

I'm not really a good player lol, I just have a jack of all trades ogryn that seems to work

You would think given how long I played, but I haven't dived deep, it's like deep rock where I mostly played off vibes

[steep flower]

Vet has very good consistent buffs; enchancers should i call them - precision strikes, superiority complex, desperado ect.

[dry pivot]

Pee time

[steep flower]

SNIPER

[dry pivot]

The krieg build I was looking at goes for voc

[sudden cedar]

Maybe use a Combat Shotgun on Veteran?

[dry pivot]

What's your favoured mk

Inc? Slug?

[sudden cedar]

Someone here said Fire Ammo.

[steep flower]

Both are goat

[dry pivot]

I feel like arbites will be the shotgun guy

[agile forge]

Combat shotguns are kinda ass atm

[dry pivot]

He has the one with the shells on top from Boltgun, the boomer shooter

[steep flower]

I mean it will come with another combat shotgun (i hope its for everyone not just him)

[agile forge]

But I feel like that's gonna change

[sudden cedar]

You can make them work in H40

And work great too.

[steep flower]

Yeah about that

[dry pivot]

My hope is that veteran and zealot can both use assualt shields

[sudden cedar]

Do it

[dry pivot]

It comes with a gun apparently

[agile forge]

...I would love to see a combat shotgun being used well lol

[dry pivot]

But that would give every class an option to block bullets

Or lasfire etc

[thorny seal]

CADIA STANDS!

[steep flower]

That was also True Survivor btw

[sudden cedar]

With a lot of hiccups along the way

[tepid otter]

How do you access that after missions btw

[steep flower]

I would say only at the end

[steep flower]

Mods

[tepid otter]

Thought it'd be tab but nothing shows up

Wait really?

[sudden cedar]

You forgot the mid section? Blinded by muzzle flash?

[dry pivot]

Fatshark is ok with clientside mods that don't affect the game

[agile forge]

A sufficiently crazy bastard can make anything work tbf

[steep flower]

Oh ye that

[sudden cedar]

Like, a gazillion gunners

[tepid otter]

I thought it'd be part of the base game already to see your stats every after missions

[dry pivot]

You can even have psykhanium health bars with a certain mod, it shows you when you hit a special or elite which sort of provides an advantage

[steep flower]

Well… i wont be modest i am both

[agile forge]

Not sure if the important part is the crazy or the bastard

[tepid otter]

How would I know if I got an accuracy of over 90 or something with that one Penance as a vet

[sudden cedar]

No, Fatshark does not do that. Something about Toxicity.

@tepid otter You count your shots.

[tepid otter]

Even though its PvE? lmao

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[steep flower]

Yup

[agile forge]

Green circle chasers on ratwave are annoying

[unreal nova]

So when are you carrying 40s so you can spam Chonky?

[tepid otter]

Wym by count it

[steep flower]

Hes not coming back… not yet

[unreal nova]

No, we aren't counting Eve carrying half of the load.

[sudden cedar]

@tepid otter You pick a weapon with low ammo count, like a revolver and use melee combat for most of the mission. And you count your shots.

@tepid otter You have, say 50 shots, that means, you can miss 5 of them.

[steep flower]

Stop the cap; stop trolling Eve

[steep flower]

Oh you mean the penance?

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

What else would he mean?

That is how i did it.

[tame lodge]

Vermintide 2 moment

💀

[tepid otter]

Le oof

[steep flower]

Then ye; get a team with no bots & survivalist aura, take revolver, unload on enemies till 0, don’t grab any ammo, finish the mission

Ez

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Very kind of you.

No.

You don't want survivalist.

That gives you back ammo.

You don't want ammo back for that one.

You want to spend your ammo and have 90% accuracy.

[steep flower]

I said ‚no bots & survivalist aura’

[sudden cedar]

Missread.

Zealot moment.

[steep flower]

You silly goober go back to reading books

[sudden cedar]

Blessed be the mind too small to doubt.

[unreal nova]

I mean, don't you and papa share the loads?

[sudden cedar]

Depends on your point of view i guess.

[steep flower]

Im not gay

[sudden cedar]

Are you sure about that?

[steep flower]

VERY

I am a proud lesbian

[unreal nova]

I'm confused... From where did he even get that from.

[steep flower]

I love women

[sudden cedar]

Good thing iam not drinking something right now.

[unreal nova]

I just meant it's you two carrying me and the usually random fourth.

[sudden cedar]

Ah, misconception.

You are carrying us, Kari.

[unreal nova]

I am on 400mg of caffeine. I wonder when I'll pass out.

[open ravine]

Use a low ammo weapon you know can hit with then use up the ammo hopefully without missing then don't collect ammo and fight melee for the rest of the mission

[sudden cedar]

If they are too strong, you are too weak.

[unreal nova]

WDYM???

[steep flower]

You not gonna pass out you gonna make piss

[tame lodge]

Diuretic moment

[unreal nova]

I mean, am weak, so carry me, yes.

[unreal nova]

Wot.

[sudden cedar]

You might become more hyper-active.

Like a rat. Or a Skaven.

[unreal nova]

Naw, caffeine makes me eepy.

[steep flower]

Drinking lots of coffee does that

[steep flower]

She is a crat so close enough

[unreal nova]

No, Celcius mango peach.

[sudden cedar]

Excuse me, what the fuck.

[unreal nova]

I'm a cat and a loot gremlin.

[steep flower]

So basically cat + rat = crat

[sudden cedar]

But do you enjoy Warpstone?

[steep flower]

Ez

[unreal nova]

Nu. That foolish skaven in general loves them though.

[unreal nova]

You are getting a mailbox full of live kraks.

[dry pivot]

Going to try all 3 curios max toughness

[sudden cedar]

Try it out.

[unreal nova]

On vet? Oggy is 3 toughness. But I only have 2 so I just run extra stam.

[dry pivot]

Ogryn in this case, but yeah it makes sense to give vet extra stamina since he has such low base

[sudden cedar]

What do you mean you only have 2 toughness curious?

Go buy some from Melk.

[unreal nova]

Brunt no rike my oggy.

[agile forge]

It's OK to use a +16

[dry pivot]

Stamina can actually translate to more survivability

[agile forge]

If you haven't found enough 17s yet

[unreal nova]

Rejected. OCD says nope.

[sudden cedar]

Weak.

[agile forge]

Relatable

[unreal nova]

It rather I use that 21% HP.

[dry pivot]

You block with stamina, you push with stamina, if you get locked in melee it can be a sort of mini breakpoint

[unreal nova]

But I don't wanna eat the entire medkit.

[sudden cedar]

If you get locked in melee, you may be on a fast track to the floor.

[dry pivot]

We are dodge gods I know, but there are things you just get overwhelmed by

A little versatility on vet might be a nice help

[unreal nova]

You should see the BS I was in in my H40 run. Fell into a hole in lights out. Got surrounded completely. Escaped with 6 hp completely double blind.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah with your ping i can see that.

[unreal nova]

Since had to eat an overhead due to too much dook going on

And I see nothing, just hear so much sounds.

[dry pivot]

So I should have... 61 more toughness? Doesn't sound like much

[sudden cedar]

But it is

[steep flower]

When you get overwhelmed as vet that you cannot move no amount of stamina will help you; only invis/VoC or shredders can or your team

[dry pivot]

I see

At least you can still attack with no stamina

[unreal nova]

You oggy. You take like what... 10-15 toughness damage per hit?

[sudden cedar]

Essentially, if you are being overwhelmed, a lot of things went wrong before that already.

[last marten]

smoke grenades should be faster

[steep flower]

Imagine if it would be just like dark souls 💀

[dry pivot]

There is that guy with the chainaxe and chloranthy ring

[steep flower]

Just undertoss it while facing the ground

Same for shredders

[dry pivot]

But maybe he's onto something because he must have insane defence for a vet

[unreal nova]

I got lucky a mutie threw me out lmao. Then ran back to team blind mentioning at least 4 crushers behind me.

[steep flower]

Wait till we play tonight

[dry pivot]

Anyone get nightreign yet

[unreal nova]

Cos well, I heard at least 2 overheads other than the one that hit.

[dry pivot]

Fortnightreign lol

[steep flower]

2 expensive

[dry pivot]

Yeah for what it is

I agree

It is sort of experimental so I can understand, and they plan on adding to it

Maybe it could be like dark souls monster hunter eventually

It just needs a lot more

It costs as much as the dlc almost, which i still haven't bought

[unreal nova]

Naw, could just be fell into a hole in lights out.

[dry pivot]

But for that money? You could also get helldivers 2

[unreal nova]

Smelter has the holes in the street at the start.

[unreal nova]

MonHun Wilds like 4 years after DLC expansion still gonna be too ex.

[dry pivot]

Have avoided wilds because it runs like crap. Lol

[unreal nova]

No budget either way. CPU bottleneck so...

[dry pivot]

Which is a feat capcom has repeated in RE engine somehow

[unreal nova]

Need basically a new PC.

[unreal nova]

Funni, considering the REmakes ran fine.

Even raytracing on.

Just not worth the FPS for me.

Not trading like 30 fps or so for Raytracing.

Well, at least 2. Don't think I have the rest.

Oh, 2/3.

The rest are old versions or HD remasters.

[dry pivot]

Yeah you would think RE engine is fine

[unreal nova]

By fine, I mean at least stable 60 FPS.

[dry pivot]

But then you see dragon's dogma 2

[unreal nova]

No budget, only have the og. XD

If it's not bundled or less than $10 on sale, heh.

[dry pivot]

It was an in-between game to make money for monster hunter

This is real

They didn't really care about it so much

[unreal nova]

Ah. So squandering a good IP for profit.

[dry pivot]

I wish we had a lost planet 4 from capcom, that was like lost planet 2

I swear it would make a killing

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I don't expect much that isn't RE or MonHun from them.

[dry pivot]

Monster hunter with guns but done right by the people who made monhun

The bosses design was so amazing

There was one that was so massive that you were on a train and had to load the train railgun to actually kill it

[unreal nova]

Where next DMC? I dunno.

[dry pivot]

Leaning my ogryn even more into melee now actually

[unreal nova]

Dunno how they are gonna top the last. Maybe we get DMC2 2.0.

The game where you can play "third person" shooter and still win.

[dry pivot]

Not in a million years

[unreal nova]

Shush, he got ||white hair in the end||.

I'm assuming you are referring to the remake that isn't a remake but I forgot the term.

[dry pivot]

From his devil trigger

Which was actually pretty cool

Idk if you know him but Little V Mills has some great metal covers of the devil may cry music

Devil Trigger goes hard

And of course he covered bury the light... it's really good

[unreal nova]

Reboot. Yes, that term.

[dry pivot]

Failed reboot kinda?

Dmc5 is like following the older games

[unreal nova]

DMC wasn't that bad tbh.

[dry pivot]

I guess it was meant to be a marvel style origin

[unreal nova]

They just shouldn't have made jabs about the older games.

[dry pivot]

Yeah some cringy dialogue but it didn't suck, the internet was young though so the reaction was severe

[unreal nova]

Was a perfectly fine game otherwise, unlike 2.

[dry pivot]

Should have been the one to fill your dark soul with light

[unreal nova]

Ah yes, the dialogue.

[maiden tendon]

What melee weapon pairs well with double barrel for you guys?

[dry pivot]

I guess you want a melee that does most of the work

You whip out double barrel to take care of Problems™️

On a vet, if you don't mind the chargeup in between attacks maybe power sword

It could of course be combat axe with brutal momentum

You have a bunch of options really

Each with a few strengths and weaknesses

[unreal nova]

But that's the OG, wasn't it? The NOT Resident Evil.

[dry pivot]

The first devil may cry yeah lol

That was just how old games were

[iron marten]

PS2 capcom menu sounds

[dry pivot]

It's like 80s movies

[iron marten]

😇

[dry pivot]

Does vet have duelling sword now

[unreal nova]

The dialogue cringe+VAs sounding like ppl randomly picked up from the streets.

[iron marten]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Is as OP as you think.

[dry pivot]

That's cool, it's basically a really good weapon with a safe combo to use, so I would recommend at least trying it even if you want something else eventually

[unreal nova]

Just not as much as on Zealot though still OP.

[sudden cedar]

I won't use the Duelling Sword

At least, iam actively avoiding it.

[unreal nova]

You get more damage per hit tbh if you are running some recon build.

[dry pivot]

As an added bonus your character holds their other hand behind their back, which is funny

[unreal nova]

I need to be holding my bistol instead of that.

[dry pivot]

I've researched it but I don't think I could be satisfied with it

I like the idea of big two handed swords or axes more

And they have some niche use cases that the duelling sword may not cover anyway

[unreal nova]

I just use it only in havocs basically or I really just wanna zone out and no think.

[dry pivot]

I'm interested in shovel for my krieg themed vet lol, the switch mode

[unreal nova]

Just stab heds and dodge spam.

[dry pivot]

That's fair, I zone out often on ogryn

I don't think my build is optimal, but I did add some melee damage and damage reduction recently

[unreal nova]

Is oggy, he is very much overtuned atm. Or Vet just needs so much buffs to everything but like 5 nodes.

[dry pivot]

Give ogryn a moment, he's apparently been the weakest class for years

I hardly think he can do each specialised human classes job better either

He's kind of a tank, and kind of jack of all trades

Guy you can rely on

Let me see what it's like with enhanced melee and DR

Reminder that the human classes got talent reworks too, it seems you can take faster quell speed and -40% peril cost, with the downside of -30% toughness regen

Kinda nuts and opens up a lot for psyker

And zealot... well it's impossible to make a bad zealot build

[unreal nova]

Is more, extremely clunky. And nope, he is better at ranged with the new hstubber unless you run a specialist/elite hunting build on vet which may make your melee worse. He is better than Zel in melee damage wise on avg. Zel just has Until Death for clutching and safety net. Psyker is still op but paper, oggy is op but far less paper on pure right build.

[tame lodge]

Using DS and Helbore so I can have cool animations

[dry pivot]

If you're a good zealot generally you don't rely on dying

There are massive DR builds for zealot though

You can certainly tank

It's not just stealth meta

This is where the 2h power sword comes in

[unreal nova]

I'm talking the standard build right, left, left, left/right.

[dry pivot]

Means nothing to me

What does that do

In essence?

[unreal nova]

If you don't know, you don't know the only Zeal build.

[tame lodge]

The Build™

[dry pivot]

Bro I played zealot before the talent rework

I just have a little research to work off

[unreal nova]

Basically. +duelist cos if you don't take that... IDK...

[trim badger]

I think it's actually better on vet

With the finesse and weakspot dmg talents it defenitely reached thressholds easier

[dry pivot]

I would like to try duellist sword

But I'd probably get bored with it lol

Combat knives have better crit right

The whole point of meta stealth zealot is crit

[unreal nova]

But you don't get to funni inf dodge memes with it as well.

[trim badger]

Define "better"

[sudden cedar]

What do you mean you don't rely on dying?

[dry pivot]

I assume they have higher base crit chance

[unreal nova]

More crits.

[trim badger]

Then Yea knife has 15% crit chance base IIRC

[tame lodge]

15% crit chance

Not the only weapon with innate crit chance

[unreal nova]

Low hp means panic harder, panicking harder means I "play better".

[dry pivot]

Ah i see

There are options

[sudden cedar]

I do not mean it as a joke, i don't get what this is supposed to mean?

[tall torrent]

He’s a tank with 400% worth of damage buffs

[dry pivot]

I dropped a couple extra ogryn talents which tbh weren't doing much, I think I have a ton more melee damage now though

[sudden cedar]

"if you are a good zealot generally you don't rely on dying"

[tame lodge]

Lore accurate tank

[unreal nova]

Think they mean, not taking until death cos useless since you never want to trigger it.

[sudden cedar]

Okay, yes. THAT topic.

Just pick it.

You will eventually make a mistake, something will fuck you over.

Something you can't even think of.

And not going down and being able to just keep going is priceless.

[unreal nova]

Eat an overhead and have 6 hp. Ultra panic for 2 mins till until death cd over.

[sudden cedar]

If i ultra panic for 2 mins till until death comes back, i will be dead.

[unreal nova]

I will be fine, maybe.

[dry pivot]

Hmm

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

IF you are good enough, you MIGHT consider not picking it.

But something will get you.

[dry pivot]

May be I remove burst limit for ogryn since it's only 15% chance

[sudden cedar]

And even if you are that good, you will still want to pick it.

[dry pivot]

It can potentially grant +20% ranged damage but how often does that happen

[unreal nova]

Am potato at this game so it nice to have, yes.

[dry pivot]

It takes 10 15% chances

I'll try feel no pain

[sudden cedar]

More often than you think.

[dry pivot]

Yeah I know

I'll probably feel it but only against bosses

[sudden cedar]

You will always feel it.

[dry pivot]

The thing is I felt removing a melee damage talent

And I wonder what if I had another one

[unreal nova]

That's mostly for slab builds. Or soloing heresy because bots and the psyker potato'd.

[dry pivot]

I am down the tree anyway just for the push brittle stacks

[unreal nova]

Take the stack on push for funni.

[dry pivot]

Although mind controlling shooters and shotgunners by blocking with shield at range is fun too

Shooters in higher diff melt people

But to you they immediately take out their melee weapon and charge you

[unreal nova]

But then again... +9 stam on said build.

I can legit just left trigger and walk to them.

[dry pivot]

Reminder you can dodge side to side while blocking with the shield

But yeah that's funny too

Just terminator walk

[unreal nova]

Is heresy. I get to run funni there.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah.

Heresy is just.. special.

[unreal nova]

You know I'm that bottom barrel heresy* player.

[sudden cedar]

Don't worry.

@steep flower here did an agonizing clutch on an underleveled Veteran trying to carry a bunch of potatoes.

I know Heresy. Unfortunately.

[dry pivot]

Heresy is about the best goldilocks zone I've every played in a game

[unreal nova]

I know, I dropped into his games before.

[sudden cedar]

You do you.

[dry pivot]

It's challenging a bit, but not ballbusting

Auric makes it more fun too

[sudden cedar]

Auric Maelstrom Damnation and Havoc is where the real fun begins.

[unreal nova]

That pain.

[sudden cedar]

Pain only makes me stronger. - Evelyn

[unreal nova]

My back hurts already.

Don't need more pain.

[unreal nova]

You know I joke about making it worse when sadly... ppl just play worse than someone on 300 ping.

[sudden cedar]

True.

Those people are just.. not..very competent.

However, should they have fun where they are, good for them.

[steep flower]

I’ll explain to ya everything in due time

[unreal nova]

I thought ppl had more fun winning and not dying all the time.

[steep flower]

Still working tho; weed wacked the whole place

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Perception.

There are those that think Heresy is somehow difficult.