veteran-class

[unreal nova]

He is, Syllo and him carried my TS lul.

[sudden cedar]

🫡

[limber pawn]

lol I don't think you can be carried for TS especially in 2.0 there will always be situations like where you will be separated from your team etc. but okay believe you lol

[umbral scaffold]

is stealth good on vet or nah

[unreal nova]

It's actually recorded. Chaos PoV.

[broken reef]

neat, got a full 80s 61 bolter

[unreal nova]

Then one of the 80s is actually a 79.

[broken reef]

so, a visual bug?

neato

what does collat do for bolters

dont the shots detonate on contact to begin with

[unreal nova]

Between 60 and 80? 1 less shot on 80 to open bulwarks.

[broken reef]

so, its a dump stat?

[unreal nova]

Mobility if you want easier time magdumping bulwarks.

Otherwise, no real diff.

[limber pawn]

I still think you're good enough hehe

[unreal nova]

Nu. I get carried. I derp in heresy.

[limber pawn]

I reject!! give up already lmao

[unreal nova]

I am very stubborn. Ppl gave up on my "special" builds by now. So there.

[junior zephyr]

Which melee weapon is the best for killing hordes?

[unreal nova]

Powersword.

[junior zephyr]

isch. it's so tedious with the activation

second best xD?

[unreal nova]

Maybe Combat axe if you want to talk meta.

[junior zephyr]

I want something as close to the big Zealot power sword as possible. Just slicing through a bunch of small units

[unreal nova]

If you want Dueling Sword, it's only horde clear in sedation or uprising.

Anything with Brutal momentum, I guess.

[junior zephyr]

hmmmm

[grizzled pebble]

I did for her was old havoc. But I've helped others for tru survivor in 2.0.

It was only h35 though.

Surge staff gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ixP-vwREuU

[steep flower]

When you go to your inventory and equip screen there is a button that states ‚inspect’; after you press it, hover your cursor over the modifiers names (in this case collat) and you will see what it does

[steep flower]

Karien the only person who gives up on you is you; don’t make it happen

[unreal nova]

What do you mean? I'm stubborn. I'll make my terribad build work.

[faint beacon]

I’ll make Agri IX work in havoc

Just let me cook

[grand perch]

ive played a bit of graia VII in h40. wasnt bad but the need for ammo makes it a worse helbore kinda

[sudden cedar]

I guess everything works if you are stubborn enough. Somehow.

[steep flower]

I mean… i use a shotgun

[sudden cedar]

[steep flower]

And a chainaxe

[sudden cedar]

Dude...BUT YOUR AMMO PICKUPS

[steep flower]

When was the last time you saw these in h40?

[sudden cedar]

yOuR aMmO pIcKuPs

[steep flower]

Don’t Care

[sudden cedar]

I know. We did not care either. All according to plan.

[steep flower]

The deed is done and ppl on my side don’t die

[broken reef]

how does always prepared work

is it like, 3.3% per stack or 3.3% on 10 stacks and it builds upto that with each

[hollow ibex]

3.3% per stack

though iirc it rounds up

so one kill will get you a round back on stuff like double barrel in revolvers

i always go for 3 kills though, because guaranteed crit

[broken reef]

ooooh!

nother one, whats the dump stat on plas gun

[dry cloak]

@tired egret

[broken reef]

no fucking way

[hollow ibex]

i still don't have a perfect roll

it's fucking cursed lol

[last marten]

every event i spend all the dosh i get on it

[ocean idol]

There is no much point in taking laspistol without left tree, right?

[red robin]

Uh

[hollow ibex]

laspis works well anywhere, even if you don't have shock trooper

[red robin]

Las does work

But can be out of ammo if you spam shots 24/7

Shocktrooper and survivalist makes you very ammo efficient

And marksmen focus of left tree meshes well with las pistol

[ocean idol]

What is most important in my question is keystone

s

[red robin]

Can go shout or exe stance too

[inland orchid]

depends how much you dont die wiht your gun out imo

if its alot, shout

if not? exe stance

wait nvm, backwards to waht i just said

[red robin]

Las pistol makes good use of marksmen focus, but other keystones just feel like you buff the vet overall

[ocean idol]

btw, are infantry lasguns still bad?

[red robin]

Which is good

Usable

[inland orchid]

you got the usual "oh no heavy armor" problem but sides that

ya usable

[ocean idol]

well same problem with recon and pistol

[red robin]

You are the ranged killer

[inland orchid]

then ya lasguns are fine

[red robin]

Recon can go onslaught

Las pistol can get a bit of crits to hit a bit past armor

[ocean idol]

i suppse

[red robin]

Infantry las falls short on those options a bit

[ocean idol]

Weapon spec and agile probably not that good for las pistol?

[red robin]

Helbore be like, time to pop armor but the super slow draw time will kill me before the enemy does

[ocean idol]

goddamit, i need more than 5 talent pages

[red robin]

There’s a mod for that

[quiet valley]

Use Exec stance

[red robin]

True

[broken reef]

i played too much zealot

i dont think ive used my primary like, more than thrice

the 6sec instant cooldown reduction on elite kill thing is too good

i think i almost out-shoutied the karker

[feral jetty]

Boss get shoutier than shouty sometimes

It weird

[nimble wadi]

Is puncture any good on bolt pistol?

[sonic kayak]

Only if you like winning

[nimble wadi]

[sonic kayak]

If you don't like winning then no

[steep flower]

There is ancient wisdom and it states; ** If thine bolt pistolero have no punctulero… u stoopid bad lmao**

[hollow ibex]

DA and Surgical bistol users in shambles

[nimble wadi]

Oh I have surgical and puncture on mine

Should I replace surgical

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t matter too much on its own

[jaunty sphinx]

I'd say the one that does point blank explosion has higher value

But that's just my opinion

[narrow frost]

Lethal prox?

[balmy flume]

Yep

[unreal nova]

True minmax is 68 72. but you gamble even more since not all 68s can do 8 shots.

[frank basin]

Path like optimized cooling hipfiring give more shots

I think

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + rising heat

[frank basin]

You want crits and power on high heat

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-darktide-gif-3239624628315971488

[proper island]

Heya, so i have been wonderin, what would be the best way to get on overwatch penance

[formal ice]

Not get melee damaged on health?

[unreal nova]

You are replying to wrong person though. I know what to put on it. I'm just saying the real minmax is 68.6-68.9 Thermal.

[formal ice]

Dodging

[proper island]

yup

[formal ice]

No seriously

You just need to dodge

[frank basin]

If is plas topic I give plas topic

[formal ice]

You can get hit if it doesn't effect your health

And shot at

[unreal nova]

Gold toughness, so go shout and dodge like the wind.

[formal ice]

But you need to remember to also block

[formal ice]

Ah, the skill issue path

[unreal nova]

The, I want this penance done build.

[frank basin]

Path the cat or pathway?

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[frank basin]

So you hate path?

[formal ice]

Stop saying that close to Karien

She might remember

[frank basin]

It is you hate path?

[unreal nova]

I see you just want to be patted. Patpats.

[sudden cedar]

[broken reef]

but i use run n gun and elite toughness recovery cause i use it like im playing doom and shoot once then go back to slaughtering

[broken reef]

cool, 80 80 with impact on 60 got it

[unreal nova]

Wait wat? Is 68 thermal 72 charge rate?

[broken reef]

yeah im getting both on 80, cant gamble on whether or not my 68 can one tap

no better kill than overkill

[sonic kayak]

Better an ultra kill than a monster kill

Or even a monster kill than a Holy SHIT

[tame lodge]

If you get 80 on both you'll lose something else

What stat you're sacrificing

?

[broken reef]

stagger

or impact whatever that said

[tame lodge]

None on plasma gun

Stopping power?

That's damage

[broken reef]

yeah that

so, it has 2 damage stats?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[proper island]

Well, it seems i really suck at doging melee damage or i get hit from behind by a rager

[broken reef]

that one dark green poxwalker in dimly lit rooms tend to do well if it survives the initial horde phase

man i was playing overwatch and i legit tried to fucking dodge and slide in the middle of a teamfight ffs

[broken reef]

does ammo affect the magsize directly?

could one dump ammo as a stat if im running mag regen anyways

[tall torrent]

yes

if ur broke on resources, dump thermal resist

[nimble wadi]

So puncture and lethal proximity is generally the best bolt pistol blessing combo atm?

[charred ocean]

Anyone have any busted veteran melee build talent trees?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[hollow ibex]

take rashad or PS, take weapon specialist, done.

[formal ice]

Shovel and bleed grenade

[formal ice]

@steep flower

[steep flower]

👀 👌

[shrewd nova]

Does anybody have a boltgun build I can steal?

[manic cloak]

Talent tree or weapon blessings/perks?

[shrewd nova]

I'm mostly concerned with the talent tree. I guess blessing/perks for boltgun would be cool, too, though

[manic cloak]

What melee weapon did you intend to pair with it? Hard to make a talent tree without the context of both.

[shrewd nova]

probably ps achlys

[manic cloak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f0ba451-8c5d-4557-b3e1-52ed84cc51ff

That's a starting point. I'm sure there will be follow on people in the channel that will nitpick talents.

[severe lark]

Guys got a question

Could there be a fun build using the plasma cannon and the first ability on the left? (I don't remember its name)

[orchid hemlock]

I mean sure

Just take it instead of VOC 💀

[severe lark]

Whats VOC? The shout that gives the golden shield?

Or the invisible

[quiet valley]

yah gold shout

[severe lark]

Why?

Is a good skill i think

[quiet valley]

Yeah Exec stance, the one on the left, is weaker than VoC atm

[severe lark]

Oh ok

[lusty ether]

And then they give it gold toughness generation on headshot!!

[severe lark]

Idk i usually used a lot, but i wanted to do another build with exec stance but with the plasma cannon

[lusty ether]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-you-and-you-all-of-you-gif-16547410925962805989

[severe lark]

And helps a lot the shout to do headshot

[quiet valley]

This is probably fine

Although its plasma you can win without any talent points allocated lol

[lusty ether]

I wish I enjoyed using plasma...like at all.

[severe lark]

I see thanks!

[quiet valley]

They just need to nerf the light attacks, and buff the charged shots

[severe lark]

The plasma cannon is a very funny weapon

[lusty ether]

I find it really dull. It's imprecise and clunky. Much rather have something that feels like it rewards me for having good aim.

[severe lark]

The real guards man weapon that your veteran called Alex would like to get and use

[severe lark]

Idk

With the charge shot I insta kill the crushers and the bosses i do a lot of damage in the head

[quiet valley]

lights use less ammo with more dps

its sad really

[severe lark]

Ye

But if they need to buff probably will be the charge reload

Sometimes to do the heavy shot is slow

[hollow ibex]

determined (useless on bolter) should be swapped into redirect fire, but otherwise this looks good.

oh youu should be able to drop carapace on PS for elite too

and replace stam regen with sprint efficiency

[quiet valley]

Determined is def a comfy pick if you aren't min-maxing

[quiet valley]

3x sprint eff?

[hollow ibex]

FT without redirect fire tho

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[quiet valley]

Why

[faint beacon]

God I LOVE point tax

Everytime I see builds like that it’s just so painful knowing how taxing it is on veteran to get anything

[shrewd nova]

Sorry, l had to step away earlier, but thank you for putting that together.

[manic cloak]

Read some of the responses above. There's some preference changes if you like.

[hollow ibex]

more efficient on vet than stam regen

unless you're taking deadshit or something

then yeah, you'll prob want stam regen

[quiet valley]

You only need 1 sprint eff

[quiet valley]

Deadshot slander, Auric board behavior

[hollow ibex]

nah 3 makes you forget about vet stam economy on most weapons

i'll defer to path on the math

i don't do math

[quiet valley]

What do the rest of your curios look like if you are so invested in sprint eff

[faint beacon]

Imo it could use another minor buff but like it’s not abysmal dog shit like everyone makes it out to be

[hollow ibex]

3x sprint, 3x ordo , 1x sniper, rest in toughness or hp idr

[faint beacon]

Ordo that’s your issue

I don’t even run sniper res

[quiet valley]

People just don’t understand that Target Down is the best Vet Stam eco on the entire class ig

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s solid but I’ll notice sometimes I go into the negative

[quiet valley]

Only ever on Oggy if you are learning

[faint beacon]

Mainly when fighting with Ogryns or Psykers

[manic cloak]

Bruh.

[faint beacon]

I literally do Gunner res from the wall of gunners that tend to spawn, Toughness/HP, and Sprint Eff

That’s my like 3/4 go too’s

[quiet valley]

You just need to be more proactive on your Marks, even if you don’t think you are going to get the kill, mark it for stam if a teammate is engaging it

[hollow ibex]

i like my mourningstar crypto, what can i say

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-fancy-nickelodeon-gif-8789131

[faint beacon]

I’m usually marking enemies to nuke them with the Agri IX but I see what you mean

Take advantage of your overpowered teammates so you have better Toughness and Stamina

[quiet valley]

3x Toughness, 3x Stam regen, and 1x Gunner resist, 1x Sprint Eff, and your choice of Block eff or Corruption res

[tall torrent]

2/2/2/3 is pretty legit

[quiet valley]

You gotta do what ya gotta do to slum it out till rework

[tall torrent]

stam regen on vet is kind of build dependent on whether u take stam regen delay node or not

[faint beacon]

Me who just runs the healthy mix

[tall torrent]

if u don't it's not that great

it only affects regular stamina regen rate

[faint beacon]

Toughness HP and 3 STAM

[hollow ibex]

just take 3x stam regen and 3x sprint eff

[quiet valley]

Does Sprint Eff scale with more Stam curios like regen?

It’s just stam cost right?

[faint beacon]

It’s stam cost on sprint

Block eff is another okay one

[tall torrent]

sprint eff scales better than +3 stamina for most scenarios

[faint beacon]

But you sprint more so that’s why

[hollow ibex]

how often do you block tho

[tall torrent]

it's multiplicative and scales up to around x1.63 total sprint duration

[hollow ibex]

if it was push and block efficiency it might be ok

[tall torrent]

for most weapons +3 stamina is up to +0.5 total sprint duration

[quiet valley]

What 1x sprint duration compared to 3x?

Curios

[tall torrent]

one is x1.176 ish

it's inverse multiplication

so X/(0.85^r)

one is x1.176
two is x1.384
three is x1.628

[hollow ibex]

so it's the opposite of diminishing returns?

the more sprint eff you take?

[tall torrent]

for most vet builds, a single +3 stamina is usually 50~60% more of your existing stamina with melee (which is usually 5~6)

the only exceptions are DS / tac axe / knife

[quiet valley]

Well this is good info to know, but it seems like a lot of investment into sprinting, it’s play style thing ig

[tall torrent]

extra stamina supposedly gives u more push attacks but not necessarily because the rate at which u can spam push atks is usually dictated far more by stam regen delay than total stamina, unless u turbo invest into +stamina

[tall torrent]

it's actually just better most of the time

because u can now afford a full health/toughness curio

instead of 3 split health/toughness curio perks

and get more health and more sprint duration

+3 stam is better for deadshot and knife tho

[quiet valley]

Usually I got 1 stam 2 toughness, but in Havoc I usually run all stam curios

Toughness kind of just scales like shit in Havoc

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't use the word "diminishing returns" for most things in this game

the only case of genuine diminishing returns imo is ogryn TDR stack beyond what u'd normally get with his melee kit

[tall torrent]

I do recommend u experiment with 2/2/2/3 curio perk split, it's actually pretty nice

u get more coverage in variety and most perks don't need triple stack

[quiet valley]

2/2/2/3?

[tall torrent]

9 curio perk slots in total

split them into 2 + 2 + 2 + 3

[quiet valley]

3 being sprint eff?

[tall torrent]

on vet that's what I use

[quiet valley]

I’ll try it on a melee heavy build

I don’t do that much running up on shooter focused builds, and I like the transferable stam regen that works with block, sprint, and deadshot

[tall torrent]

block efficiency is ass

most of the time

there're like 3 cases where it's not abysmal and it's purely because fatshark designed those weapons weirdly

[shrewd nova]

3 sprint, 2 health, 2 toughness, and 2 gunner resist?

[quiet valley]

I run 1x block eff on 3x stam curios on some builds, it’s noticeable in crazy situations

[tall torrent]

I run 3 sprint, 2 CDR, 2 toughness/dockets, 2 gunner
with health / toughness / toughness for main curio split

[tall torrent]

unfortunately it's just, not

it's calculated the same way as sprint efficiency

but numerically it's ass

X/(0.88^r)

[quiet valley]

It’s usually a the fill pick for me when I don’t need anything else

[tall torrent]

a single block efficiency curio perk is 13.6% better block efficiency

which changes nothing about stamina block rates

even if u triple stack it's just x1.467

not even 50% better

it needs numerical tuning badly

[quiet valley]

Does the blocked hit round?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

ofc not

[quiet valley]

Nice FS

[tall torrent]

the only 3 cases where it's not ass

are crusher and the 2 thunder hammers

because they're the WORST block efficiency weapons in the game. somehow

[quiet valley]

I see you have dockets that a meme but how well does CDR stacking work

[tall torrent]

additive

CDx(1-CDRsum%)

[quiet valley]

I feel like it’s a wasted slot most of the time in Havoc bc Tac Awareness

[tall torrent]

so for ex, VoC 30s, with 2x 4% CDR, would be 30s x (1-8%) = 27.6s

[tall torrent]

yes/no

[sharp epoch]

its pretty good when your 1v1ing a boss with no source of toughness regain

shaves off like 4-6 seconds idk how much exactly

[tall torrent]

not 4~6s lol

[hollow ibex]

3.6 with 3?

[tall torrent]

it's between 1.2s and 3.6s for VoC

[hollow ibex]

for voc

[quiet valley]

I can just wait 💀

Block or smth haha

[hollow ibex]

doesn't seem like a horrible taake

[tall torrent]

block eff is genuinely ass

[hollow ibex]

but not as good as ordos, of course

[tall torrent]

because once u realize how enemies' attacks' stamina dmg are done

it genuinely is horrible

[quiet valley]

How have you not been ordo capped for forever now

[brittle turtle]

holy crap, veteran in havoc feels like a second job

[hollow ibex]

bad investments

[tall torrent]

I'm lazy

[brittle turtle]

gotta kill all the specials, and the disablers, and the gunners, and the mook gunners, and keep up gold thoughness

[quiet valley]

There’s not even a gamble dump anymore guys haha

[hollow ibex]

i still don't have a perfect plasma

[tall torrent]

I wish curio perks in this game had better variety like

[quiet valley]

Yeah Vet rework 2027 bro

[tall torrent]

fuck it give me 5% melee attack speed as a curio perk

why not

[sharp epoch]

and kill the melee units swarming you while doing that 🫡

[brittle turtle]

and the boss who walked past the ogryn to get in your face

[hollow ibex]

that sounds op tbh lol

[quiet valley]

That’s a talent point

[tall torrent]

hell yea

[hollow ibex]

i would drop ordos for that

[tall torrent]

or smth like 4% Tcrit chance

they made all curio perks defensive and then made 80% of them garbage

[quiet valley]

Getting 12% crit of of Curios would be insane

I want curio blessings

[tall torrent]

u have them

they're the main stat

I'm not even joking

[quiet valley]

Like VT2 type beat

[tall torrent]

It'll at least be interestingly overpowered

[sharp epoch]

10% crit rate curio 🙂‍↕️

[severe jolt]

laspistol goes pew pew
monster goes bye bye
simple as

[quiet valley]

Yes more Las Pistol propaganda

[sharp epoch]

I used the build but it feels like it has no melee capabillities melee is just to survive/run

[quiet valley]

Just poke and run

Frags and shout for space

Most Vets fold once the team starts going down anyway, they don’t have clutch perks like toughness regen and stuff like Until death

Once’s your piss bar is popped you are gonna have a bad time

[sharp epoch]

It's just really reliant on your team to horde clear more so than other builds

[quiet valley]

Yeah but 95% Of Havoc runs have Purge or Oggy

It’s a waste to spec Horde clear on a Vet if you aren’t taking PS6

[severe jolt]

You don't like the mainstay of Imperial weaponry? Getting a bit heretical there, mate.

[quiet valley]

Other classes just get cheaper and better coverage on that

[quiet valley]

Im a huge proponent of Las Weaponry

[severe jolt]

That's the spirit! I was gonna shoot you with one if you thought they weren't the greatest thing in the Imperium.

[quiet valley]

Unironically the Las Pistol MkX is an S tier weapon for me, ranks above the Plasma in overall utility and use case for Havoc 40

[tepid otter]

How da heck do use the plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

press lmb, dats it

you shouldn't even use charged shots

just lmb spam

[quiet valley]

Yeah it’s brain dead

[tepid otter]

Is that wat the rmb does

[formal ice]

Use it like this

[hollow ibex]

charging yeah

[tepid otter]

I dont play helldivers lmao

[hollow ibex]

which you shouldn't do

(charge plasma or play helldivers)

[short sinew]

doesnt the charge penetrate through cover

[formal ice]

Didn't you meant and?

[hollow ibex]

it does either way

[hollow ibex]

either or

[formal ice]

So I am not charging plasma

[tepid otter]

Was getting confused a bit since it doesnt feel like am killing anything with it kekw

[hollow ibex]

headshots are important

[hollow ibex]

akshually under de morgan's law it means you shouldn't do both 🤓

[formal ice]

Is that a chat GPT response

[hollow ibex]

That's a paste from Wikipedia

[slow spade]

Smh using wikipedia

I prefer reliable sources

@grok why is Magnus cringe

[hollow ibex]

grok, the #1 source on the south african genocide

[faint beacon]

Watch the ogryn B-Line for rescuing during the horde event and I immediately get cornered by rager bulwark spam

love this game sometimes

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-jarvis-destroy-his-vocal-chords-so-he-can't-scream-for-help-jarvis-destroy-his-vocal-chords-so-he-cant-scream-for-help-jarvis-murder-gif-10466594164550691954

[sleek garden]

infantry lasgun exy stance grenades

this game is easy mode

[sharp epoch]

have you tried anything higher than malicr

[sleek garden]

i just got done with auric maelstrom

its uncanny how easy it is

high capacity mag 1 shotting bombers trappers flamers scab gunners and having enough left over to take out 15 shotgunners

and then you have 10 more magazines

[sharp epoch]

well theres higher difficulties try havoc if you think the game is too easy

[sleek garden]

i just say that a lot

i dont enjoy havoc

auric is around the difficulty i like where i can still use what i want

once you get to 30s havoc sucks because i can't use any weapons i like

actually inflas still works but its tougher

but devils claw is suicide

[sharp epoch]

I mean people have won h40s with helbores inf lasguns recons bolter and laspistols

[sleek garden]

have they won it with devils claws

[sharp epoch]

Probably, I saw the helbore build run it as a pocket anti rager

[sleek garden]

i was in a 2 minute melee fight with a void shield captain and i was unable to even get his shield a third of the way down

it just doesnt do enough damage

and the cleave is terrible

but in auric it does what i want it to

[sharp epoch]

Havoc is mostly relying on your team to cover your weaknesses

you can't really spec into being the best at everything and other classes are straight up better at doing stuff like boss killing and horde clear

[sleek garden]

i normally focus on taking down specialists and elites and eschew most anti armor

inflas is very good at that

[sharp epoch]

yeah if you can kill specials and ranged elites your team should be able to do the rest if theyre good enough

[sleek garden]

well i beat havoc 40 once and that was good enough for me

so i will stick to aurics

[sharp epoch]

my dopamine receptors got fried and auric males are too easy now

[calm shard]

me

[nimble bridge]

does anyone have a good voc build for the recon lasgun + shovel?

[quiet valley]

please no Helbore/Laspistol slander

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee41e34-a952-4c23-9b90-9f6284b0dc57/stamina-edger

[nimble bridge]

thanks

stamina edger?

[hollow ibex]

wait

you said good

nvm

[nimble bridge]

💀

[hollow ibex]

you can just take your generic recon las build

and toss a shovel in it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[nimble bridge]

nice thanks

well it looks almost the same

[hollow ibex]

this is a meme build which is intended to bring the most out of shovel

but it's a meme build at the end of the day

[nimble bridge]

i dont see a big difference lol

[hollow ibex]

this one plays on the "synergy" between deadshot mk12 recon las and all or nothing on shovel

so that you're always maxing out all or nothing stacks

by being constantly out of stamina

[nimble bridge]

oh

[hollow ibex]

so when you have stamina, you run deadshot mk12 recon las to burn through all of it (benefiting from the crit it gives)

[nimble bridge]

anyways

[hollow ibex]

and when you don't have stamina, you switch to melee

[nimble bridge]

whats the recon lasgun playstyle like

[hollow ibex]

uhh

hold down lmb and w

that's about it

[nimble bridge]

k

no shock trooper?

[hollow ibex]

outside of havoc, you can take either surv or shock trooper and that'll be adequate

you should remember to use your melee frequently after all

#1 trap for newb vets is just spraying their guns all game

vet is not the ranged class

[nimble bridge]

what do i drop for shock trooper

[hollow ibex]

could drop the crit chance node if you want

but if you're pathing to get frags, you might as well get surv

and not get shocktrooper

[nimble bridge]

ok sure

[abstract sand]

hi friends

what vet weapon should i master next?

[lusty ether]

all of them

at once

[abstract sand]

that's the eventual plan but what should i do for now

[lusty ether]

what are you missing?

[abstract sand]

i have already done duelling sword, recon lasgun, combat blade, and stub revolver

[lusty ether]

if you're levelling both ranged and melee weapons

[abstract sand]

i am wondering what i should try next

[lusty ether]

I would suggest trying to pair good and bad

good melee bad ranged

bad melee good ranged

[slow spade]

Power Sword + Bolter for something unique c:

maybe even Power Sword + Plasma if you feel like trying off-meta

[abstract sand]

we have astartes at home

[lusty ether]

one that I actually ended up finding myself quite liking

[abstract sand]

what's the usual pairing with plasma gun

[lusty ether]

was the shock maul

[abstract sand]

i see people run it occasionally

[slow spade]

Plasma Sword lol

or Power Sword c:

[lusty ether]

I forget which variant is the good one

[slow spade]

Mk6

[lusty ether]

but, for shock maul, basically don't use the bad one

[slow spade]

Mk3 got left in the dust

[lusty ether]

it's kinda obvious when you actually try using them, yeah

one actually does damage

and the other does fuck all

[abstract sand]

i usually see veterans using recon lasgun

sometimes helbore

[lusty ether]

revolver is nice

[abstract sand]

(i am also guilty of this)

[lusty ether]

popping heads

[slow spade]

Recon is up there as one of the best Vet ranged options if you build right

[lusty ether]

I personally quite like the vigil auto gun

[abstract sand]

i did a combat blade/stub revolver infiltrate build for a while

it was not efficient but it was funny

[lusty ether]

my personal fave is the single shot vigil

[slow spade]

I personally use Bolter + Plasma outside of Havoc

[lusty ether]

can clear a lot of mid sized elites and specials with some good headshots

[slow spade]

both with Power Sword

[abstract sand]

with weapon specialist it basically was a gunslinger

[lusty ether]

vet doesn't have any of the weapons that are just garbage to level

purgation flamer...

[abstract sand]

i think i will do power sword/plasma gun

[lusty ether]

hate the flamer so much

[abstract sand]

honestly i am slightly worried that arbites will step on vet's toes when it comes to their niche

[lusty ether]

arbites' thing is shotguns

[abstract sand]

especially in terms of weapons

but we will see

[slow spade]

Arbities is literally just better Vet, he has a dog

how can Vets compete?

[lusty ether]

so I think arbites will be a bunch less ranged focused than vet

[abstract sand]

i think vet really needs tweaks to their talent tree

[hollow ibex]

it's over

[lusty ether]

yeah

[abstract sand]

infiltrate is kind of... bad

[slow spade]

they should remove the cooldown on Survivalist again uwU

[hollow ibex]

i main it, but yeah it's pretty sad

[abstract sand]

shroud zealot is The Cooler Infiltrate to me

[bleak tendon]

literally

[slow spade]

honestly a lot of the upgrade nodes on Vet stealth should be built-in

[bleak tendon]

what does, infiltrate even do

[slow spade]

like the damage node

[lusty ether]

do wonder what the three branches for arbites are gonna be

thematically

one will be 'do more with dog'

[hollow ibex]

allows you to troll the psyker behind you when a wall of crushers show up

[bleak tendon]

themed around his vox apparently

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[abstract sand]

give arbites webguns like they have on tabletop

[bleak tendon]

i am that psyker

[abstract sand]

i wanna give trappers a taste of their own medicine

[slow spade]

Vox + More Crowd Control + Better Dog

that's my guess

[bleak tendon]

already better

dog main day 1

[lusty ether]

Be interesting to see what the dog actually do

[slow spade]

Vet is just objectively inferior.

Vet with pet ogryn when?

[abstract sand]

i assume tagging a specific enemy with it and they hunt them down

[slow spade]

the dog does their best c:

[lusty ether]

something like that

[abstract sand]

which concerns me

[bleak tendon]

IMAGINE if it can revive people

[abstract sand]

i dont trust fatshark with dog pathfinding

lol

[slow spade]

Personally I hope you tag an area and the dog just goes ballistic on everything within

[lusty ether]

and also what melee weapons arbites is gonna get

to be unique

[slow spade]

just to cut down on tagging

[bleak tendon]

power mauls and shields

[slow spade]

Dueling Sword + Power Sword

[bleak tendon]

and i hope some kind of flail or glaive i beg

[lusty ether]

somebody give me a power fist

ffs

[abstract sand]

god i would instantly pick up power fist

[slow spade]

surprised they haven't given the Ogryn a punching weapon

[abstract sand]

its my favorite 40k weapon

[formal ice]

This isn't fallout

[lusty ether]

no, this is 40k

we've had power fists for like 30 years

like we have commisar models with bolters 'and' power fists

[formal ice]

Say, for what roles

[slow spade]

give the Arbities lighting claws

[formal ice]

[slow spade]

for funsies

[lusty ether]

also this guy

[bleak tendon]

COMMISAR YARRICK RAAAAAAAAAH

[lusty ether]

for when sword isn't enough

[abstract sand]

my only concern is how they'd make it work animation-wise... especially in first person

[formal ice]

This is stolen ork tech

Kill him

[bleak tendon]

combos gang

[lusty ether]

i mean...they already animate the grenade gauntlet

and that's effectively just a fist weapon

[abstract sand]

oh i forgot about that

lol

i should try that thing

[lusty ether]

the melee is just sorta 'there'

[abstract sand]

<- club/rumbler user

[slow spade]

It's less shit than before at least

[lusty ether]

like you occasionally bop a dreg with it

or something

[slow spade]

Perhaps even usable

[lusty ether]

'oh hey, lone gunner, cba to swap'

boop

ogryn also deserves a brass knuckles weapon

I was thinking about it

because I often lament the lack of pistol+melee weapon vet combo

plasma pistol+sword is also good

coz you don't even expect to ADS with plasma anyway

[slow spade]

the lack of dual weapons is surprising

[lusty ether]

I thought it would be a really cool niche for vet to have

[slow spade]

if only there was another horde survival game that Fatshark specifically made with those weapons

[lusty ether]

being able to take something with shit ammo economy 'but in the melee slot'

or, I guess, leaning more into constant hybridness

but it does kinda ask questions about how balance works and the game is coded

like for swapping melee/ranged with weapon specialist

or not having any way to ever block

[slow spade]

Agile Engagement + Weapon Specialist with a dual weapon setup

[slow spade]

just swing again

[lusty ether]

guess you could make it so that 'while ADS/holding right click' you're 'also blocking'

[slow spade]

go Right side for +10% movement speed -> get no one left behind and do quickplays for another +20% permanent speed buff

I'm the Rager today

[lusty ether]

think this is why their first hybrid ranged weapon is a shield

[slow spade]

because they're cowards

[lusty ether]

'when right click to activate gun, also use shield'

is how I assume that will work

depending on what left click does normally, when not right click

maybe right click is just shield, and the gun is always a kinda shitty little shotgun?

unlike the grenade gauntlet

I guess you could have a melee slot weapon, that is a dual wieldy sword and pistol thing, where only the special action fires the gun?

and the rest of the controls operate the sword as normal

hold special action to aim pistol and fire with left click

mmmmmm, ergonomics

[tepid otter]

would a Bolter be a good alternative for the Plasma in Havoc missions as a Veteran

Hit level 30 not too long ago

[manic cloak]

Bolter is just fine for Havoc. It still will require quite a bit of the ammo drops in higher tiers.

I'd highly recommend you do Damnation -> Auric Damnation -> Auric Maelstrom before getting into Havoc if you are new to the game and your Vet isn't just an alt.

You'll either be stuck in the rut of low rank Havocs, have issues getting accepted into random groups, and won't likely have the skills/game knowledge to progress into the higher ranks of Havoc yet.

[narrow frost]

And also the vet problem in havoc

having to overperform to get the same or less results of the other classes

3x the effort compared to an ogryn and less results

Doesn't mean vet can't perform

[hollow ibex]

top 4 class

[manic cloak]

Maybe even Top 5 here in a month.

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

vet only havoc

[tepid otter]

I only have jsut this one Operative and its the Vet 🤣

I finished one Maelstrom mission just before doing my first Havoc, looked at a few builds so beforehand so I could do decently at the least

[manic cloak]

Havoc is the endgame of endgame. Unless you are pushing for certain penances that can be accomplished at lower ranks, if the goal is Havoc 40, you likely have a ways in terms of time/experience to get there.

[hollow ibex]

havoc's a waste of time if you're not going for h40

and you won't be ready for h40 unless you have a good amount of experience

[tepid otter]

What does that mean, Havoc 40

[hollow ibex]

the clearance level

early havoc is easy

h40 is the last level

[tepid otter]

Hmm, well as for the goals, I just wanted to throw myself in the harder missions, wanted to see what it was like

[hollow ibex]

just play auric and auric maelstrom

until you're comfortable, then you can return to havoc

[slow spade]

The health scaling and reduced ammo makes Vet very sad in Havoc

[quiet valley]

This is not the issue

[slow spade]

It certainly is an issue though

[quiet valley]

Vet lacks toughness regen options comparable to the other classes

[slow spade]

Out For Blood worked for me

[tepid otter]

Huh, so are vets just not generally taken in Havoc missions?

[slow spade]

Though I stopped in Season 1

[quiet valley]

Almost all of Vet toughness regen is ON KILL, where other classes can generate it from thin air

[slow spade]

You're going to be filtered more

[tepid otter]

Always thought that having one of each class was the go-to for harder missions, but then again i just only started playing darktide recently

[slow spade]

Havoc balance is "funny" like that

[tepid otter]

But as someone who's mained like Vet since starting , is there any particular role I should be going for in harder missions

[slow spade]

"Fuck specialists and elites" works for Aurics and Maelstroms

It's only in Havoc that Vet has issues with 1-shots

So you can pack a bolter/plasma and just blast specialists and elites

[tepid otter]

Hmm, mostly just been basing my playstyle off some guides in youtube by a guy called Reginald

Mostly where I get some know hows when I started

[unreal nova]

Unless you play at weird arse hours and are the only choice for 40.

[manic cloak]

I'll be honest, there's not really a "playstyle". When people say that Veteran is biased towards killing specialists and elites, that doesn't mean that it the only thing you do. It's not like you stand and wait for more to spawn while the rest of your team kills horde trash. The only reason I'd argue that Vet is decent at specialist and elites is either high TTK/high cleave weapons like the Plasma/Bolter, or high sustained damage/high uptime weapons like the las pistol. That advantage is marginally above what the other classes offer at the moment.

[slow spade]

I just went "everything"

VoC + Focus Target + Survivalist for team support

Bolter + Power sword for anti-elite/specialists

Frag nades + Demo team + nade regen for crowd control

now the only thing that makes me sad is my boss dps

which is still acceptable with weakspot hits with power sword

[tepid otter]

Ooh, I see. I've been playing between a high dmg loadout vs. a support one, like what you've mentioned for like the entirety of my Daktide playthroughs, tho Ive been more familiar with VoC than anything else

I'll try doing Aurics or Maelstroms for a bit like what the other guy suggested, rn I'm enjoying a build I saw about the Helbourne Lasgun, but it takes a bit more of precision out of me than I would like but its a fun weapon

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent @faint beacon what’s the most dps you can do with the knife?

Mk?

Atm I’m running uncanny riposte and it still feels alright but mk knife just melted everything

[tall torrent]

on what

[tropic notch]

On vet

Das why I put it in vet chat

[tall torrent]

no, on what enemy

[tropic notch]

bosses and general? I want a generalist one

[tall torrent]

carapace highest is around 3.4k

[tropic notch]

Just got to noticing my uncanny and riposte lags behind from mk

[tropic notch]

And that’s taking the 10% melee node?

[tall torrent]

it's not required

[tropic notch]

I see I see

[lyric bluff]

would anyone mind helping me out with on overwatch?

[thick bear]

holy fuck lois im shaking that was the most nervewracking experience on the final one

[tropic notch]

Now you must get true survivor

[thick bear]

At clearance 19, only recently started playing again, seems like havoc is either a fun enjoyable experience or I'm going to lose a deployment

[tropic notch]

Das havoc

[whole blade]

I was talking to someone and they said the best curio has changed. whats the meta curio for vet again?

and if theres specific curios for diff builds. whats a good general curio for vet

[hollow ibex]

there's some info in the pins

but outside of havoc, it's generally a good idea to aim for 200+ hp

[whole blade]

I am aware. I just was not sure if it was outdated

[hollow ibex]

rest toughness

it's still applicable

[whole blade]

Cool

[hollow ibex]

and then 3x sprint eff/cdr/toughness/hp/resistances of your choice

or ordo dockets

[whole blade]

I always lean into gun resist it helps in protracted firefights

[hollow ibex]

gunner resist is a pretty good option if that's what you're talking about

[whole blade]

yeah

Im looking at the one drive guide thats what you mean

[hollow ibex]

yeah hammer of the emperor

[whole blade]

damn i gotta pick and choose

so 200 health but whats a good toughness threshold

i got just over 200 toughness

but it says stamina as well

and stam regen

OK with this I have 200 toughness and 203 health

that seems solid yeah?

[hollow ibex]

take sprint eff instead of stam regen

[whole blade]

on everything?

[hollow ibex]

3x sprint eff yeah

[whole blade]

like replace all the stam regens

[hollow ibex]

yeh

and honestly you can run without +stamina unless you're doing deadshot

[whole blade]

I feel like though. regeneration would help more in most situations

for recovering stam for blocking mid fight

or pushing

[hollow ibex]

vet's dogshit stam regen delay means sprint efficiency actually gives you more value

[whole blade]

fair

[whole blade]

I never use deadshot. not a fan of the stam drain. but i feel more stam would be good for running, blocking and shoving in general

and the loss of health and toughness is not that bad

voice of command gives me 50 toughness anyway

[hollow ibex]

you can try removing stam and see how it works for you

personally i removed it once and realized i don't need a stam curio anyway

but taking one stam is a perfectly valid choice

[whole blade]

if I find myself taking too much damage i can switch it back to health anyway

or toughness

[hollow ibex]

yeah i usually do 2x hp, 1x tough

[whole blade]

well its good to know that guide is up to date

i will consult that next time

what about blessings for weapons?

still up to date

[hollow ibex]

prob 95% of it is still up to date yeah

vet has barely seen changes

[whole blade]

ah cool good to know

[unreal nova]

Personally depends on melee you use. Your Stam will double if you use something like knoife.

[glossy scaffold]

what stats are most ideal for the plasma ?

[tall torrent]

if ur broke on resources, dump thermal resist to 60%

[late kite]

so guys, I have a question

[dry cloak]

yes?

[late kite]

Can I run spearhead boltguns with veteran using crit ammo conversion, or would this not be sustainable?

[dry cloak]

?

shocktropper?

that only works on las weapons

use your brain mate

[late kite]

not cool man

[dry cloak]

i know that fatshark explains things poorly

this one talent is written clearly

[late kite]

oh my bad, I thought shocktrooper was a veteran class perk

[dry cloak]

its talent tree perk

if you meant the ammo back aura. it will work fine

[snow cypress]

Greetings lads,which melee weapon do you recomend for a "support" vet build?

with voice of command

[grand perch]

the best "support" a vet can give is killing lots of stuff

so powersword

[snow cypress]

Power sword is not so good against elite and ogryns right?

[dry cloak]

it is

good

[elder fiber]

It has v good ttk vs elites, its problem is shitty mobility + boring

[snow cypress]

oh I see

Btw which is the dump stat for Hellbore lasgun

I see all as important

[lusty ether]

...stability?

'oh no, my low rate of fire, very low recoil, gun isn't quite as stable'

[grand perch]

dump stability until the cows come home and find their stables gone

[snow cypress]

lol

[glad temple]

How does it compare to duel sword?

I'm using Duel Sword but it's not as much of a no-brainer as Power Sword

[grand perch]

DS is the no-brainiest of them all imo

PS kills everything real good, including hordes, which is the most significant difference to DS. it pays for that power in mobility

[glad temple]

Also what does the determination talent do?

It says it makes you immune to suppression or smth?

[glad temple]

I should get it then
I really don't like how much I'm getting surrounded
Yeah the push helps but still

Like not to the point I die to poxers but the room gets crowded fast

[steep flower]

Ye; some range weapons are very weak againts suppression like infantry lazgun or revolvers

Generally tho its not worth taking

[glad temple]

K thx
Thought so cause it didn't seem to make much of a difference

Thought it'd delete the screen shake when toughness breaks from a gunner but no

[steep flower]

Nobody who plays this game long enough takes that node to any build

[steep flower]

No thats stagger

[glad temple]

Right

[snow cypress]

lmao

[grand perch]

this tbh
i have 25 builds and none of them uses determination

[little tiger]

im veteran calss woo

[snow cypress]

Guys,what the difference between all Helbore Lasguns?

Mk III, Mk V and MK IV

[little tiger]

no idea

pew, pewpew, pewepwepw

[faint beacon]

Mk IV has a slash bayonet

Everything else is a poke

Also go by the standard model of Light (Blue), Medium (Green), Heavy (Tan)

[snow cypress]

wdym with that?

[faint beacon]

Basically I guess to give a more in depth breakdown

Medium variants are usually the normal gun

Lights are less damage for higher fire rate

Heavies are slower fire rate but they hit harder and sometimes even have increased cleave

[snow cypress]

ohhh

[faint beacon]

Though keep in mind some weapons are better on certain marks

Give it time you’ll learn overtime

[snow cypress]

yeah

I usually dn't use Lasguns

That's why I'm quite lost

I'm a knife fan

[late kite]

I am having trouble reading the guides. What is the best build for spearhead boltgun?

[hollow ibex]

Doesn't solve the regen delay issue though

[hollow ibex]

Pinning fire and puncture typically

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @tall torrent going back to last night I was gonna link this and ask how can I optimize it further?

[late kite]

Thanks. What tree persk should I use?

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[sleek garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/IsxiK40g4v

crusher

[grand perch]

you didnt ask me, but have you considered going agile engagement instead of surv? great synergy with WS and all that

[hollow ibex]

just a standard exec stance build

if you're running with VOC instead of ES, it's surgical / puncture

[tall torrent]

Did u mean to ping fyre

[faint beacon]

You mean Close and Kill?

So you can path into AE

[grand perch]

yes

[grand perch]

yup

@tropic notch

[faint beacon]

From the more I play the more I see value in CABs path

Free passive toughness regen

[grand perch]

sure, but 25% extra damage while slinging that DB is just insane

[hollow ibex]

voc 🤮

[faint beacon]

If it was any other gun that wasn’t like a close quarter gun I’d honestly just take CAB

[tall torrent]

I might be leaving for a trip to Japan right after DT drops arbites dlc lol

[faint beacon]

I’ll tell you how it is

I’ll probably play the class more if I end up enjoying it’s playstyle till Vet gets something

[hollow ibex]

arbites will prob just be a better vet anyway

[grand perch]

doubt it

better yes, but theyll make it different enough from vet

[late kite]

Thanks. I feel sad, because the spearhead boltgun has mag issues, I thought veteran build would help fix that, but it looks like all it does it provide more reload speed on elite kill?

[hollow ibex]

reload speed issues?

i honestly don't bother taking reload speed nodes on bolter

you get used to it / work around it

[grand perch]

i do in havoc

[late kite]

Does Havoc have the auto reload perk?

[hollow ibex]

havoc doesn't give perks

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s really good but I’d have to put 3 points to get cab if I path towards it

[late kite]

I dont remember where I saw it, but I saw someone do a mission where they unlocked an infinite mag clip

[hollow ibex]

that's mortis trials

[late kite]

Ok. What would be an ideal veteran build for that?

[hollow ibex]

idk i don't build for a meme gamemode

[late kite]

but its fun

[hollow ibex]

i find it too easy to be any fun

it was interesting for a few rounds

but the buildup is too slow

and there aren't enough things to kill

[tropic notch]

God vet tax is unreal it’s almost like zealots

[unreal nova]

Better and worse at the same time.

[late kite]

But I want my dakka

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[distant plaza]

no one ever complained about havin too much dakka dakka

[snow cypress]

Hi lads,I'm trying to make a sniper support build with Voice of Command but I feel something wrong

Any idea what it could be?

I don't even know if is a good idea

[hollow ibex]

sniper/marksmen builds are more of an exec stance thing

[snow cypress]

yeah

But idk if it could combine well

I'm proving it and something is not matching

Maybe it's better with a melee build or mixted one?

[serene condor]

oh yeah we gamin

[snow cypress]

huuuh sweet

[snow cypress]

Maybe my AIM that sucks

[hollow ibex]

dumping finesse is a choice...

[snow cypress]

lmao

[serene condor]

true but that 61 is gonna make the diff

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-13700830058131647973

[arctic rampart]

yeah power sword has obvious better dump stat, and I'm not talking about mobility...

[junior zephyr]

On the plasm gun, is Focused Cooling "+60% Heat generation on critical hit" right? or is it meant to say "-60%" (MINUS 60%)? Why would you want more heat?

[sharp epoch]

more heat = good

[junior zephyr]

why?

for the crit based on heat thing?

[sleek garden]

you can stack a fair amount of reload speed buffs on the bolter with exy stance builds

if you want to get silly you can take marksmans focus and tactical reload and the one that reloads faster on special kill

[sharp epoch]

explode self = good

[calm shard]

I have tried this in Havoc and decided it is a humongous waste of your skill points 👍

[sturdy crescent]

Vigilant autogun
Everything 80% only ammo60%
Perks
Damage 25 maniacs
Damage 25 CA enemies
Blessings
Deadly accurate IV
Surgical IV

I'm not sure with perks only

MkVII

[dry cloak]

mobility 60% innstead of ammo and change carapace to flak

[late kite]

That's awesome. Is there a build guide for this?

[sturdy crescent]

What ammo does?

[sharp epoch]

less ammo make ammo less

[sturdy crescent]

[dry cloak]

usual dumpstats are mobility and defence for melees, and mobility and collateral for ranged

[sturdy crescent]

Well I need get lucky to get other gun

[dry cloak]

how much gold you have?

if a lot 400k+ just spam buy vigilant autoguns until you get 60% mobility one

[sturdy crescent]

I'm broke

23k

[dry cloak]

then use it till you can get something better

[sturdy crescent]

Oh found he sell one

61 mobility 79 stability

Should be fine?

[dry cloak]

good enough

5% in one way or another wont do much

60% mobility is the perfect roll

but thats about it

[sturdy crescent]

It does not much difference

Ammo 60% gives 168 and 80% 172

[dry cloak]

it adds up

especially with plus25% ammo reserve and survivalist aura

[sleek garden]

no, and you have to do some goofy pathing so its inadvisable

actually i use 2/3 of those

[sturdy crescent]

Oh right I forgot to empower the new one

[sleek garden]

marksmans focus and the one that reloads faster on elite

[sturdy crescent]

Eh should just grind

I was trying to be stealth

[sharp epoch]

chat we need suppressed weapons

[sturdy crescent]

That gun sounds suppressed

Nah

[sweet pivot]

whats the best bolter blessings

[trim badger]

Depends what you're doing with it

[sweet pivot]

phew

[trim badger]

If you using it to kill gunners and stuff I like surgical+puncture

[sweet pivot]

i remember there was like 1 meta when i played

so now u can run what you want and its fine?

[trim badger]

I mean in havoc 40 uhhh

I know puncture is used

[sweet pivot]

ok im like abt to hit 30 i dont worry abt that

[trim badger]

Idk the 2nd one

[sweet pivot]

mines just puncture shattering impact

flak and unyielding

[trim badger]

I only use bolter on Zealot xd

[sweet pivot]

ima grind zealot next

[balmy flume]

Yo
Is game connection really scuffed today?

[vale glade]

I haven't had any issues

[balmy flume]

Bleargh

Not sure why my connection is throwing a fuss tonight…

[vale glade]

I am on North America East btw

In case you are on a different region

But honestly last time I had network issues with the game it turned out my cable that runs from my modem needed replaced

Could be needs a reset

[tropic notch]

Cavalcade and shattering impact

[edgy dew]

I've been away a bit, what's the best melee weapon if I don't want to do anything more complicated than spam some left clicks, was it one of the combat axes?

[tame lodge]

Rashad Combat Axe

You light spam everything that isn't an Ogryn or a monster

[nimble wadi]

Chainsword is also pretty straightforward

I am a chainsword stan

[sonic kayak]

wRong, you are a Taco, Stan

[hollow ibex]

chsword isn't the best, and isn't even a light spam weapon

[tame lodge]

Hehe Xiiig wrath shred goes vroom

[little lion]

Power sword mods/ mark?

[hollow ibex]

mk6 is the good one

brumentum + pc4

[little lion]

[lusty ether]

non foldy shovel is also a solid option

you left click a lot

if you feel like it, you can slap denser hordes with heavies

[tropic notch]

Flak + maniac

[glad temple]

Which DS variant is actually best

[edgy dew]

ty for the answers, did a bit of testing, rashad left clicks felt the best

[tame lodge]

Mk2 if you want to use your brain
Mk4 if you want to brain off

[glad temple]

Oki

[tame lodge]

Mk5 if you want really really really REALLY good dodges

[tame lodge]

Just go Mk4

[glad temple]

Game server just kicked me out

[nimble wadi]

chainsword is one of the better if not one of the best melee weapons

You can def light spam a lot once you get your stacks of cleave

[hollow ibex]

absolutely not lol

[nimble wadi]

We can agree to disagree

[hollow ibex]

you're wrong, but that's ok

[nimble wadi]

I'm not, but it's ok you think I am

[hollow ibex]

test it yourself if you don't believe me

either mark of the chainsword