veteran-class

[steep flower]

@warm schooner Send you a message; check inbox

[hollow ibex]

lol that ammo taken

looks about right

[faint beacon]

Exclusive to Arby btw

[severe jolt]

I use the combat shotgun right now and it's tight but also the double barrel one, I just want them to be buffed

[faint beacon]

So it’s just actively kneecapping yourself if you use the other variants

[quiet valley]

Impressive clear but picking up the 3 matches worth of ammo doesn't make the fire shotty good

[steep flower]

If only you could see the gameplay then

there is a reason i picked it

[quiet valley]

sure ill bite, whats the use case

[hollow ibex]

explain to us how you made it work then

[sudden cedar]

🍿

[warm schooner]

It's definitely interesting did not expect the chain axe but it tracks with the amount of boss damage

[steep flower]

@quiet valley @hollow ibex Its a very reactive weapon; pulls out instantly which is one of its main upsides that comes together with another one; very high stagger & good suppression - puts majority of human sized enemies on the ass (especially good vs ragers). If the target won't die to the shot (most likely but don't let that discourage you) it will be staggered = it stops doing anything. It does the most damage vs Maniacs & Unyielding which is perfect. If you manage to land weakspots with it it does alot of dmg for such an underdog weapon (try hitting nurgle spot or plowgryns head), not to mention the special fire slug which has alot of utility; if all pellets hit the target it applies 6 stacks of burn; the weapon itself has a max stack count of 10 (Infernus blessing has 12). The special slug is best used if the boss comes from afar and you can shoot it; you stack fire & keep maintaining DPS with it even if you have to run or cannot get close to the boss with melee for various reasons; one might argue that reload speed & slug special reload is slow (it is for havoc) you counter it with Tactical Reload; the perk affects the load time of the special slug cause its a reload. Also you can skip a portion of the animation by ADSing; much faster than hipfiring. Now the bad things about the shotty; it can reliably 2 shot alot of things given the distance (this includes shooters which is not great but it is what it is; every weapon has its weaknesses) but it struggles at very long ones; ammo economy is also problematic but considering Survivalist aura & the fact it sustains others ammo needs (as seen in the scoreboard; ammo crate pickups were used when it was getting really hot & we needed extra grenades; everytime me & ogryn dipped twice) and that you're the only ammo hungry class in the team it evens out

[austere mica]

Please use indents

[steep flower]

NO

[hollow ibex]

normally i don't care about spelling and grammar on discord...

[steep flower]

[hollow ibex]

Here's a revised, more readable version:

Shotgun Analysis: Strengths and Weaknesses

Key Strengths:
The shotgun excels as a reactive weapon with instant draw speed, making it highly responsive in combat. Its primary advantages include exceptional stagger potential and crowd suppression - it can knock down most human-sized enemies, particularly effective against ragers. Even when the initial shot doesn't kill the target, the stagger effect stops enemies from attacking, giving you crucial breathing room.

The weapon performs exceptionally well against Maniacs and Unyielding enemies, dealing maximum damage to these tough opponents. Landing weakspot hits significantly increases damage output - targeting nurgle spots or poxwalker heads can be surprisingly effective for such an underestimated weapon.

Special Fire Slug Utility:
The special fire slug offers excellent utility, applying 6 burn stacks when all pellets connect (with a weapon maximum of 10 stacks, or 12 with Infernus blessing). This is particularly valuable for maintaining DPS on distant bosses when you can't engage in melee combat. You can stack burn damage and continue dealing damage even while repositioning or retreating.

Performance Tips:
While reload speed appears slow (especially the special slug reload in higher difficulties), the Tactical Reload perk significantly improves this, affecting both standard and special ammunition loading times. You can also speed up the process by aiming down sights instead of hip-firing, which cuts down animation time considerably.

Limitations:
The shotgun struggles with reliability at longer ranges, typically requiring 2+ shots for many targets depending on distance. This includes shooters, which isn't ideal but represents the weapon's natural weakness. Ammo economy can be problematic, though this is offset by the Survivalist aura and the fact that you're often the only ammo-intensive class in the team composition. The weapon sustains the team's overall ammo needs, as evidenced by minimal ammo crate usage except during intense combat situations requiring extra grenades.

i had AI rewrite it into a human readable format

[austere mica]

So much better

Oh nevermind read the last bit

Explode violently

[steep flower]

You disgust me for using AI

[hollow ibex]

bro you forced my hand

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-hanging-kill-gif-13667568

[warm schooner]

It's wacky but it makes sense

[quiet valley]

Cool breakdown but, the Las Pistol X does all this for with zero ammo pickups, the only thing you lose out on is stagger util

[warm schooner]

Gonna give it a shot

[hollow ibex]

yeah idk, i'm not convinced

[quiet valley]

Its cool tho, but thats A LOT of ammo

Like thats the most amount of pickups I've ever seen, haha

[steep flower]

I was almost the only one whi was clearing ranged units & specials; Zel had vigilant autogun (don't judge it was fun )

[warm schooner]

I mean most teams I've been on just feed all the ammo into me anyways

[quiet valley]

Vigi's are actually good tho

[steep flower]

many ppl think otherwise

i'm not one of them

[quiet valley]

Why not DB?

[steep flower]

Try it; explanation is one thing, experience is another - give it a couple of games

[steep flower]

DB? Sorry i'm not much into acronyms

[hollow ibex]

i actually did try it recently

[warm schooner]

Double barrel

[hollow ibex]

which is another reason why i'm in so much doubt lol

i want the gun to be good

[steep flower]

Try my build

[quiet valley]

Post tree?

[steep flower]

@hollow ibex @quiet valley will do in private message

[quiet valley]

You can post links here

but idc

[last marten]

god i love the blasma bun

[steep flower]

Too weak overall for havoc; has 2 unskippable animations, one of them skippable if you use WS auto reload perk, weak range, too inaccurate

[broken reef]

which of the hellbores have more hipfire accuracy

cause their sights suck

[quiet valley]

Weapon Spec Manstopper Flecette?

[steep flower]

Yeah

[warm schooner]

DB is fun in h40 but it's felt iffy a lot of the time. Especially for the last two reasons Papa mentioned.

[plain osprey]

Question: what would the implications/consequences be If we gave or rather If FS gave our drip stats? Like toughness, health, corruption resistance, etc?

Because in the trailer text for the arbites they highlighted that the arbites usually wear carapace (which, after unyielding, is the best armor type in the game) and when asked If this would have any bearing on the class in the game, kerfus, who is a tester, said that he wasnt allowed to answer that. So i wonder If were getting to wear carapace as the arbites or If its just gonna be a talent tree node. And If armor cosmetics for that class have stats, other cosmetics should too.

[warm schooner]

I think it would be an enormous design change for them to do that and it would never happen if only because then there would be pay2win implications with the cosmetic cash shop

It's also just a really bad idea design wise period

[plain osprey]

Yeah, i thought so too. So maybe a talent tree node. Or kerfus just threw smoke and mirrors with his answer

[plain osprey]

I mean, you could but in order for it to be fair, you'd transfer all armor/Outfits over to the same category as curios and weapons, thus killing driptide.

[warm schooner]

He's probably just not allowed to answer questions on design that are off script period

[steep flower]

i think its just gonna be a cosmetic

[plain osprey]

Yeah, most likely. Or they have something maybe maybe planned in like a year or two and he isnt allowed to touch on it yet

[broken reef]

does born leader work with duty and honor to giga stack people with toughness?

[plain osprey]

Rather that than the alternative

[broken reef]

armor could be seperate from cosmetics

like how weapons get cosmetics, armor could too

[plain osprey]

I guess. Would be awkward though If the chestplate thats visible on you isnt the one equipped giving you better stats. Would be weird

[broken reef]

certain armor gets certain skins?

[plain osprey]

Eh. Stil faulty since there is alot of skins in the game. Do they all know get a fitting armor set that we have to aquire somehow?

[warm schooner]

See WoW and their transmog system that dealt with this issue

[plain osprey]

Pls explain.

[warm schooner]

Decoupling function from looks was one of the best changes they did

[plain osprey]

Ive never touched wow in my life

[warm schooner]

You can apply a look to any armor of the same type regardless

[abstract sand]

does anyone have any fun combat blade builds for vet?

(or strong)

[plain osprey]

So what could/might maybe happen is that FS introduces flak and carapace for us that we could then put any cosmetics over that we already have?

Would still be weird for me

Imagine equipping a carapace cuirass only to run around in a ragged ass prisoner uniform

Doesnt sit well with me. Inside needs to match outside

[steep flower]

well... I'm old so i play as a Grandpa

[pseudo fiber]

i really doubt they're adding an armour system

[plain osprey]

Combat blade goes with every single build.

Build your build around a battlefield/tactical role, and then chose the weapons you like or that would benefit from the build the most (breakpoints,etc)

[pseudo fiber]

maybe kerfus just meant arbites has high base toughness

[broken reef]

armor system would undermine the whole toughness mechanic

[plain osprey]

I hope you are right

[broken reef]

arbites absolutely probably has a boatload of toughness

arent they like zealots but on crack?

[plain osprey]

Probably

[abstract sand]

i've been using combat blade/stub revolver and it's been kind of silly

[steep flower]

Zels have very little toughness but high hp

[plain osprey]

Maybe a little less fast. One can hope

[broken reef]

zealots have high tougness regen, i was meaning it in that regard

[plain osprey]

In of itself decent choices although the knife isnt the best for hordeclear or at least needs a very skilled and unique fighting style for that.

[broken reef]

i mean, they have the dog, maybe they will be like really slow with innate toughness regen built in based on dog mauling heretics

im curious as to how they will implement the dogs ai

[plain osprey]

Yeah, especially since they get shields and shock weaponry i hope they become some sort of tank/lynchpin

[broken reef]

hope it wont be like the dbd houndmaster getting stuck on geometry

[plain osprey]

Fur missile

[plain osprey]

We need a John Wick node for If the dog can be hurt/disabled/killed.

[broken reef]

likely disabled

probably to prevent people from chucking the dog into a horde of shooters from cover

[plain osprey]

Probably

[abstract sand]

im not sure what else would be good as the combat blade is pretty bad with carapace

[quiet valley]

Uncanny? What

[plain osprey]

With the right Blessings/perks and Playstyle knife has no issues with anything in the game, not even carapace.

[plain osprey]

If you want the cheatcode weapon use MK III dueling sword and call it a day

[abstract sand]

why would i do all that when i can just use the duelling sword and tap twice

[austere mica]

Because thats boring as shit

[abstract sand]

true the combat blade is more fun

[austere mica]

And comparing things to DS will make your life worse

[abstract sand]

yea

[abstract sand]

but really though, i'd like to know what blessings you use

i get a lot of mixed results when i ask people

this is what i use right now

[plain osprey]

I mean, in the end, its your game. You can build your build around a weaponsset, a battlefield/ tactical role/a meme, the world is your oyster. Just look out for synergies, see that you have all the important areas covered, and most importantly, have fun

[austere mica]

Precog uncanny flak cara

Knife has options

Your choice of Precog, Uncanny, Riposte, Mercy Killer (if you take Serrated in vet tree), and Lacerate (only with uncanny and a very difficult playstyle)

[plain osprey]

Hot take: i use new weapons for all of my builds after each consecutive game because otherwise i get bored. So lets say i have a gunner vet. First game could be dueling sword and infantry autogun, second would be heavy sword and braced autogun, third game would be autopistol and combat axe.

In the words of mazozi, variety is the spice of life

[lusty ether]

variety spicy life

[frank monolith]

yummers https://youtu.be/eiFssMlS44s

[plain osprey]

Bruh, my adhd holds me at gunpoint in that regard. I will throw the whole game away If im not constantly stimulated and variety just does that best

[lusty ether]

Spicy variety life

[abstract sand]

why the mk6 over mk3?

not saying its worse just wondering

[austere mica]

More versatile and does the same singletarget damage

[abstract sand]

fair

[tame lodge]

🤓

10% more

Oh well

10% faster

[tropic notch]

I would use riposte instead of thrust

And change cara to flak

[tame lodge]

Which uh

I might be just saying

Just the yapper

But Mk3 is almost cooked

Still a knife so I can talk shit

[frank basin]

i do that, make multiple loadout and play differently

[tame lodge]

Holy shit it stops at 2 walkers

[tropic notch]

Cookie clicker

[tame lodge]

Maaaan I gotta redo my notes

[tropic notch]

I like this wish vet point tax wasn’t insane

Made me realize I need to swap more lol

Didn’t know invigorated was that good

[frank monolith]

push attack is better and you get your push attack my shooting your gun and killing something

[frank basin]

the push attack mk6 stab right?

i don't reemmber

[tame lodge]

Yup

https://tenor.com/view/stab-future-gif-12598389

[frank monolith]

you can practically run no stamina regen delay and still be fine

as long as your have stamina back on something weapon specialist active

[tropic notch]

Yeah it makes me wanna run that I feel like I’ll struggle against bosses if I can’t use ws because of stamina

[frank monolith]

tbh youll be fine even with bosses, there is always tiny little guys that you can shoot

[tropic notch]

True true

[broken reef]

they broke the stairs

[tropic halo]

Unplayable game

[broken reef]

they ruined my aura farming by making the stairs sticky

smh

[umbral scaffold]

best blessings and refinements for the boltpistol?

[tame lodge]

Run and Gun + Lethal Proximity

Puncture + Surgical/Point Blank

I will not fully remember the perks rn

[hollow ibex]

all in the pinned guide

[whole blade]

best blessings on double barrel

?

[tame lodge]

If Weapon Specialist

Manstopper Flechette

Funny infinite cleave bleed on whatever doesn't die

If not then Double Barrel Deathspitter

[whole blade]

is bleed even good though? I feel like it should do enough damage to kill whatever I hit

[tame lodge]

Well, no bleed inst good

However

Infinite cleave

So you bleed a lot of targets

Same logic behind frags

[whole blade]

why not the reload speed or the extra crits?

[warm schooner]

weapon specialist nodes offer reload on melee kill

and weapons specialist keystone offers added crit too

[whole blade]

hold on let me post my build

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist
3 melee kills= crit

Always Prepared with the ammo replenishment

[whole blade]

yeah so I dont need reload speed

yeah i guess manstopper and flechette your right

what perks shouyld i get then

right now I have Flak and Maniac

but idk how good that is

[tall torrent]

Go to character select menu, select veteran, press X then confirm

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

might as well try builds like these if you're going invis

[whole blade]

nah im happy with my build. I am just curious as to how to build my double barrel

[hollow ibex]

no demo stockpile

[whole blade]

i got demo team its good enough

[hollow ibex]

frags are just so much more satisfying to use than smokes

[whole blade]

Smokes are incredibly useful. honestly game changing on higher difficulties

just completely nullify ranged enemies

[hollow ibex]

the only place where i'd even begin to consider them is high havoc

even then, would rather take frags

[whole blade]

I have multiple builds my guy

your acting as if i dont know how good frag and kraks are

I use frags if I use the shooting Ult

because it staggers enemies to get revives or to escape bad situations

if I use voice of command I use kraks or smokes

[hollow ibex]

idc what you know or don't know, i'm just talking about my own preferences

[tepid otter]

Is the max level rn in game at level 30. Currently level 29 as a Veteran and was just wondering

[short sinew]

yep

[tropic notch]

He hates shovel cope

[frank basin]

he would tell you "stay out veteran class"

that would be the copepy

[dusky galleon]

For bolter collateral is dump?

[unreal nova]

Mobility if you want to save a bullet per bulwark.

[whole blade]

for most weapons its mobility

[whole blade]

Opinions on this?

[unreal nova]

Always take catch a breath over get back in the fight.

Otherwise, pretty standard.

[whole blade]

i havnt played in a while, was not sure if my builds still worked

im planning on usinbg a laspistol and chainsword

I did not take catch a breath because im using it as a melee hybrid build

hence Voice Of Command

[unreal nova]

Yes. CaB is just better than GBITF.

[whole blade]

for some breathing room in melee

[whole blade]

even for melee?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

[whole blade]

hmm ok

[unreal nova]

If you good at dodging anyway

[remote sonnet]

Never take the extra stack on Focus Target.

[whole blade]

I was iffy on that actually. is there another ability you would recomend or just get the base version?

[remote sonnet]

There are nodes that offer better damage or utility.

[unreal nova]

It got changed to not being hit in melee over distance.

[whole blade]

But it says it cancels catch a breath if you are targeted, not hit. even if I dodge and the enemy swings at me I wont get the regen

[whole blade]

which one?

I never used focus before but it looked fun

[unreal nova]

Naw, you still regen. Unless you block.

[remote sonnet]

Like if you take Demolition Team, you would deal more damage over than 8 stacks.

[whole blade]

oh you mean just get the base version, dont even upgrade focus target. yeah

[remote sonnet]

Because of the amount of grenade regeneration, killing horde of ragers is so much quicker.

[whole blade]

huh ok. The skill needs to be written clearer then

[sudden cedar]

@obsidian acorn @limber pawn @steep flower I can only say the same, it was a very fun and exciting match, till the very end.

[unreal nova]

Is FS, their skill/talent descriptions are even worse written than a teenager writing fanfiction.

[remote sonnet]

If you use lasgun, shock troop will deal way more single target damage than 8 stacks as well.

[whole blade]

true. I still remember when I was getting into vermintide and how frustrating the talents were. Even after 800 hgours I was still learning stuff

[whole blade]

For this build I was gonna use pistols for fast swap time. So laspistol, shredder and bolt pistols

[remote sonnet]

If so, go WS instead of focus target.

[sudden cedar]

@whole blade You may as well also pick up the Revolver.

[whole blade]

yeah I have a good revolver

[remote sonnet]

Because most pistol can kill things quickly.

[whole blade]

I just already have a WS build that uses revolver

ok well waht ranged weapon would you recomend then

I guess I would be buying time with voice of command to get my long gun out

[remote sonnet]

Lasgun autogun

[abstract sand]

i like shredder frags more

also using frags would make you not have to take the health node, so you could get Duty and Honor or something nice

[remote sonnet]

Bautogun

[abstract sand]

or better yet

drop the focus target extra stack node and get duty and honor

[whole blade]

no capstones?

[abstract sand]

no i mean

i'd get rid of focused fire and just get something else

[remote sonnet]

Generally gun that don't 1 hit enemies and you can kill multiple at a time.

[abstract sand]

like demo team or doh or shock trooper (only if using las)

[remote sonnet]

Also better damage vs boss

[sudden cedar]

That capstone really helps with, well, focusing down a target, very useful for bosses.

[whole blade]

is it a bad choice for a melee type character your saying?

[remote sonnet]

Yes

[whole blade]

ok

My plan was to be more support hence why I thought focus fire would be a good idea

my build concept just isnt working

[abstract sand]

i like weapon specialist if i want to be melee heavy

[whole blade]

So if I wanted to use Krak and Voice Of Command

[abstract sand]

also lets you play like a gunslinger

[remote sonnet]

It is good, but you want a load out with bpistol, it is not ideal.

[remote sonnet]

Laspistol is alright, but the 8 stack key stone is just bad over all.

[whole blade]

this is my alternate take

[sudden cedar]

For your team it would be awesome if you can find a spare point to get Field Improv

[whole blade]

stretched way too thin\

[sudden cedar]

There is a toughness node you could drop

At least i think it is one

[unreal nova]

Not everyone is willing to sacrifice like I do.

[remote sonnet]

Also, don't take the speed aura...

[whole blade]

your right

[whole blade]

i need it for agile. or do you think thats not worth it

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You are going the extra mile. 🫡

[unreal nova]

I even slotted in that 15% toughness restore share now.

[abstract sand]

i would take demo stockpile over field improv

[remote sonnet]

It's ok, but unlike WS, you active the moment you kill and not the moment you switch the weapon.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You are too good for us.

[whole blade]

so what then. ammo regen or damage

[remote sonnet]

Catch a breath gives you toughness, and ammo is damage.

Maybe I played too much Havoc... but eh.

[unreal nova]

Survivalist better as support.

[abstract sand]

idk what weapons you are using

but this is something i'd rather do

[whole blade]

I can get those but I miss out on Bring It Down

[unreal nova]

Also nice if an arsehat is stealing all the ammo selfishly.

[whole blade]

Thinking of maybe Braced Autoguns or normal lasguns

or regular autoguns

[remote sonnet]

Try this, there is 1 spare pts.

I run either bolter or Autogun.

WS can be switched to Target Focus

[unreal nova]

I could give you my build, but is too grenadier though. I guess you can swap all nade nodes.

[whole blade]

So this with an autogun of some kind

[unreal nova]

10% rend is meh unless memes.

[whole blade]

is it? alright

replace that with close quarter killzone?

[unreal nova]

You can legit just skill more into left or take that toughness share.

15% might not seem like much, but you should have the most toughness anyway.

By that, I mean Born Leader.

[whole blade]

yeah i picked up superiority complex

i really like that skill

got rid of demo team and CQKZ for it

[unreal nova]

Demo team only if you go shredders tbh. CQKZ depends on where you are and on a duration. May or may not be useful.

[whole blade]

yeah i prefer consistent passives to buffs in general anyway

[unreal nova]

Very funni if you double shredder on your feet after shout.

[whole blade]

whats the best autogun again?

[unreal nova]

Inf.

[whole blade]

but what mark

[unreal nova]

I think is Vraks.

[whole blade]

its the most stable with the fasest fire rate yeah

[unreal nova]

I heard some use columnus, but don't ask me about it.

[whole blade]

thanks a ton for all the help

guessing perks are Flak and Unyielding?

[unreal nova]

That one, I suggest just using Path's slightly outdated guide lmao.

[whole blade]

?

[unreal nova]

Cos I don't remember.

Hammer of the Emperor.

See pins.

Seems like crits and flak. Dum dum deathsplitter.

[whole blade]

yeah just saw that. need mastery

[remote sonnet]

Without Blessing, all auto guns have very similar damage.

[unreal nova]

Though it is a little outdated so best just ask around.

[remote sonnet]

DPS to be exact

It is down to what kind of stack you want.

[whole blade]

any advice to perk and blessing

[remote sonnet]

What's you plan to do?

[whole blade]

mainly melee, use autogun for ranged elites, specialists, ragers. use krak grenades for carapice and bulwerks

I can buy time with my ult

[remote sonnet]

For me, since I only bring guns out to kill boss for my auto gun build, I take Dum dum and raking fire.

If you want to kill elite, Vraks IAG Dum dum and Deathspitter is the strongest combo.

[whole blade]

im sure it will do alright against bosses too in a pinch

with focus fire

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova @whole blade I use a Columnus Autogun. Very good.

[remote sonnet]

Yes, my gun is made for more niche application.

Colummnus is the most ammo efficient IAR.

[whole blade]

I guess powersword is a good compliment to my kid, for trash clear?

whats a good trash clear vet weapon

[unreal nova]

Yes, but thing is that's just what some ppl use. The meta mark seems to be Vraks. IDK, I rather just recon memes if I go shooty.

[unreal nova]

You just said it, lmao.

[sudden cedar]

[remote sonnet]

Agri has better range, yet has the same DPS as Vraks.

[whole blade]

I know lol. I have used the power sword so much lol

[sudden cedar]

Of course, iam speaking from a Zealot Perspective.

[remote sonnet]

Vraks advantage is that high ammo count means you can kill more targets, which trigger Deathspitter more.

So it is better to kill elite/specialist and horde.

[unreal nova]

I dunno, Zealots and psykers can recon memes as well. Flees.

[whole blade]

in my 800 hours i could never get recon to work. its so ammo ineffecient

[remote sonnet]

Shock trooper, my man.

[unreal nova]

Crits and shocktroop.

[whole blade]

I know your right. but the juice just never seemed to be worth the squeeze for me idk

[remote sonnet]

Put the crit perk, and if you want, use Onslaught.

It does crazy damage

[whole blade]

send me your rewcon build and I will try it

[remote sonnet]

Also, the quick firing mark.

[unreal nova]

Some ppl made me take my recon build to havoc. It melts bosses even with my dook aim.

[whole blade]

damn, whenever i triewd to use it I just run out of ammo even with shock troop

[whole blade]

you dont go for executioner?

[unreal nova]

Cos you pubbing. I stack so get most of the ammo. Though I force the oggy to take some since recons get so much ammo back even by tiny tins.

[remote sonnet]

It is pretty much my usual lasgun go if people won't have boss focus weapons or ammo hoarder.

Recon las is the MOST ammo efficient gun if build correctly.

[whole blade]

wbhy voice of command over executioner?

[remote sonnet]

For perk, you have to run +5% crit, the other can be flak, carapace (because fk the crusher and scab rager) or upyield (for bosses and Reapers).

[unreal nova]

I run that.

Yes, field improv.

[remote sonnet]

Because VOC is just stronger.

More useful.

I don't want to be a glass cannon.

[whole blade]

is there no good executioner builds?

[unreal nova]

Just not as good.

Gold toughness is a lifesaver in high havocs.

[remote sonnet]

Also, executioner doesn't give you extra crit, so it doesn't make shook trooper better in anyway.

I rather have more security, recon las damage is already high enough.

[whole blade]

true

I am just worried about all my builds being homogonous

[remote sonnet]

Well, there is a huge imbalance between options.

[whole blade]

as with any game unfortunately

[unreal nova]

More talent tree.

[steep burrow]

bolter or plasma gun is better for veteran?

[unreal nova]

Left side needs huge buffs.

[whole blade]

I meant to type game

[unreal nova]

Then true.

[remote sonnet]

Executioner stance build

[whole blade]

just using lasguns?

[remote sonnet]

Yes, I run ILG with this.

I used to clear old H40 with this.

[unreal nova]

Different purposes. Bolter deletes bosses (can delete elites and specials, but not to the hilarious degree of plasma), plasma deletes everything else. (Can damage bosses, but fairly inefficient compared. Also requires headshots.)

[grand perch]

rawrcon :3

[whole blade]

Early 2000 scene girl crossover with darktide

I really apreciate all the advice and support

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova True, you know i've used a Recon. I even use an Infantry Lasgun.

[whole blade]

lasguns are based

my fav is hellbore thouygh

[sudden cedar]

Well yeah Zealots don't get the Lucius so..

[unreal nova]

Yep. Why recon memes is just normal. Heh.

[unreal nova]

Too slow, more brrrrrrr funni.

[sudden cedar]

Sad tho that the triple shot Vigilant has so bad recoil

[whole blade]

man before the vet rework I would carry games with the hellbore. just delete entire patrols of crushers

[grand perch]

with exec stance burst vigis are much better in handling

[whole blade]

Hellbore is like the jack of all trades weapon but actually amazing at everything. Enough ammo and accuracy to take out regular gun enemies with the power to demolish crushers and bosses

[unreal nova]

GF jokes about wanting the recoil to pull up so can aim at neck/chest/collar area to guarantee a headshot.

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch that is probably true, Zealots don't have that tho. I guess we just aren't trained marksmen.

[unreal nova]

But, but, onslaught funni.

[grand perch]

use that one talent that tightens hipfire spread on dodge and hipfire vigis

[sudden cedar]

Already have that.

[unreal nova]

I mean, zealots charge in with faith and fervor.

Except me. I play like I play my vet.

P.A.N.I.C.

[sudden cedar]

Instructions unclear. Will bash the enemy using my gun stock instead.

Hey you saved me when you joined into that one match just throwing grenades.

[unreal nova]

You mean beeg sword/hammer/bonky stick.

[sudden cedar]

If a gun has a bash special, i will absolutely use it in melee combat.

[unreal nova]

I mean, is all my vet does. Oprah but with 'nades.

Everyone gets a ||live|| 'nade.

[unreal nova]

But they do little damage though. At least the bistol, is just a set up for a cool shoot animation.

[sudden cedar]

That is not the point. Most gun bashes can stagger the enemy.

[unreal nova]

But, you can just beat them on the hed with melees then.

[sudden cedar]

True, not when i have my ranged weapon out for.. reasons.

[unreal nova]

I have Tknoifes, I can just swap back.

Unless I burnt all 12 trying to kill a trapper.

[sudden cedar]

You don't say. That would never happen.

[unreal nova]

Shush.

I play on controller, using Tknoifes is a nightmare.

I rather rocks to some degree.

I mean, there's a reason I have an Assailer build.

[steep flower]

Exploit Weakness

[grand perch]

i occasionally use the vigis gun bash to shove a pouncing dog, for novelty reasons

[dry cloak]

vigis are the weapons i do well the most on vet

suprisingly

[grand perch]

very overlooked weapon

[dry cloak]

yes

the 3rd busrt one at that

[grand perch]

i wish more people would stop bashing MMF and actually use it with graia VII vigi

major pew pew

[steep flower]

You dont need 5 point tax for trench fighter drill

[dry cloak]

i use mmf with columnus vigi

only maniacs are a problem

also as mentiod before

RECOIL

[steep flower]

Then you haven't got a proper squeezer

[thin minnow]

Melee are so fast to switch to tho

If you don't switch to ur melee u arent doing melee combat u are just pushing them away to get some breathing room, so you can switch to your melee

[steep flower]

Scab rager still takes the same amount of dmg for DoT as before when it had flak despite having carapace center body; its all in the code - the only carapace thing he has is innability to cleave through it & carapace resistance to dmg exept DoT

[sudden cedar]

@thin minnow Exactly that.

[thin minnow]

Assail is fun

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-take-out-whistle-marvel-comics-guarduans-of-the-galaxy-gif-17296452

[sudden cedar]

Assail can fuck you over when you accidentally push a poxburster toward you and....

[thin minnow]

I am smart, so

Never happened to me

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[steep flower]

Why assail is not used in havoc?

1 reason really

[thin minnow]

Is that a riddle

[steep flower]

NO PSYKINETIC AURA

[thin minnow]

Brain burst is MID

[steep flower]

still better & when it lock on the enemy cant escape; great for dogs & obscured gunners/snipers

can be used to deal boss dmg if you use kinetic resonance too

[thin minnow]

Okay but assail with 10 enemy penetration straight into a horde

[steep flower]

with empowered psionics

[thin minnow]

5 of them

[remote sonnet]

I dont kill those guys with Dot.

[steep flower]

Thats what staffs are for

and smite & melee

[thin minnow]

They don't make you feel like yondu

[remote sonnet]

If I use soul blaze, sure. but if I'm using recon las, then shoot it until it dies.

[thin minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

The power fantasy is fun

More fun than just blowing up heads one by one very slowly

[steep flower]

still; just so you know so you dont magdump like na ape (seen too many recon laz vets who had shock trooper & still ran out of ammo cause stoopid)

[remote sonnet]

I'm sorry, I don't have the health bar mod to know when to stop shooting at them.

[steep flower]

it is fun; has its place in a secondary frontliner scriers gaze psyker build too

[thin minnow]

Forgot that thing isn't in vanilla game

[steep flower]

Get it; it will make a huge difference

[thin minnow]

I play shriek

[thin minnow]

Might be console

[remote sonnet]

PC, but I dont play with mod.

[thin minnow]

You can be palpatine and stun people, be that woman from the boys and blow up heads

Or be yondu and act like you are controlling the assail projectile

[steep flower]

[thin minnow]

Kinda wanna get the extra penetration assail node just so I can have like 10 penetration

With the warp split

[unreal nova]

Excuse me. I magdump every boss on my recon, accuracy be damned.

[steep flower]

i mean you always take both augments for assail wdym

[steep flower]

Boss is a different situation

[thin minnow]

Don't have enough points...

[remote sonnet]

Eh, you don't...

[unreal nova]

I also mag dump every special and elite, to no damage.

[steep flower]

how; lemme see the build

[thin minnow]

Well

Might have 1 extra point

For the penetration

[unreal nova]

You know my recon build.

[thin minnow]

No need to get faster replenishment, I never run out

[steep flower]

Yes you do

[thin minnow]

Already gives me a shit ton

it is so much better than zealot knives it is crazy

[steep flower]

Not you

[thin minnow]

Zealot knives are more satisfying tho lmao

[remote sonnet]

The quick regen sound good on paper, but you always get it full back after meleeing for a moment. Saving pts for other stuff is much more useful.

[thin minnow]

it is 1 ever 3 seconds

Just don't spam it

[steep flower]

Zealot knife can 1 shot; assail cannot

[thin minnow]

You can stab a hound in the eye mid pounce

Or one shot a trapper across the map in the middle of her yap session

They go limp it is so funny

Sometimes it even one shots a mutie rushing at me

[steep flower]

Every special really exept mutant

and gunners

[thin minnow]

2 shots isn't bad either

It is so fast anyway

Using an ammo crate charge for 5 tknives

[remote sonnet]

Spaming assail is an easy way to get peril overload. Instead of quelling, weapon change and keep fighting.

[thin minnow]

Quelling is so fast honestly

It feels faster than reloading a bolter

[steep flower]

unless havoc

[thin minnow]

Still fast u don't even need to quell all the way

And shriek

But lack of ability cooldown reduction talents and instant toughness skills throws me off

[remote sonnet]

Honestly, I remove assail upgrade and don't see any difference while using assail. My other attacks surely do though.

[thin minnow]

I can just scream and use fury like I do in zealot whenever I am in a pinch

[thin minnow]

The penetration one?

Someone ran the numbers, over 50% peril with warp splitting and penetration talent for assail cuts through 10 enemies

Maybe there was smth else too

[remote sonnet]

Yes, I take warp split, so it cleave enough, while my other weapons, mostly melee, get benefit from it.

[thin minnow]

It is either 8 or 10 with that

It cleaves through 4 with only warp splitting iirc

[remote sonnet]

Big assail cleave is good, but generally you don't need to weave 4-5 shards to clear the way.

And melee does a better job anyway.

[thin minnow]

That one brain burst node that has a chance to brain burst an elite

Sounds great on paper

But it still builds peril doesn't it

[remote sonnet]

Nope

[thin minnow]

When the random chance procs

Really?

[remote sonnet]

Nope

[thin minnow]

What is the catch?

[remote sonnet]

It just passive damage

It is a free BB.

[thin minnow]

Sounds too good to be true

[worthy terrace]

anyone got any advice for best crowd control melee weapon on vet?

[thin minnow]

Power sword?

[remote sonnet]

Brother, that's what the psyker chat told you for days.

[thin minnow]

No psyker chat didn't tell me anything about brain burst lmao

[worthy terrace]

it is good but dont like having to re activate it every 5 seconds cos im lazy

[thin minnow]

You are confusing me with someone else

[remote sonnet]

KF can do up to 20% of your total elite/special damage in havoc.

[thin minnow]

No work no bread

[steep flower]

Dont use it with purgatus unless you want to blow your team up if there will be poxbursters

[thin minnow]

Lol

[remote sonnet]

They don't say BB, they say KF.

[worthy terrace]

KF?

[thin minnow]

KF is a BB sub node, so

I never talked about BB

Nor anyone told me anything about it, cuz I talked about using assail only

[steep flower]

I personally don't accept psykers with purgatus & kinetic flayer; these ppl watched too much Reginald vids and have no clue

[remote sonnet]

Yeah, because BB is trash, but KF is OP.

[thin minnow]

How do u know

[thin minnow]

And no one told me anything! I never had a conversation about it!

[remote sonnet]

You don't use BB in game 99% of the time, you just let KF proc.

I remember I told you about that a few weeks ago.

[thin minnow]

Does it count towards penances?

[worthy terrace]

fellow rejects what is KF

[thin minnow]

I wasn't even playing psyker back then

[remote sonnet]

Yes

[thin minnow]

Or I just got here

[thin minnow]

A psyker thing

[remote sonnet]

Kinetic Frayer, a psyker node.

[thin minnow]

Idk why this is psyker chat now

It just is

[steep flower]

I watch vids about darktide & learn what would the general player go for cause you primarily get insight from youtubers (sadly)... also practice & experience

[thin minnow]

I mean how do u know what they are using?

[remote sonnet]

You can try combat knife.

[steep flower]

got clips where kinetic flayer purgatus pepega fuck the team over

10% btw

[steep flower]

Mods

[thin minnow]

Smh smh

[remote sonnet]

It is a surprisingly strong horde clear.

[steep flower]

There are mods that allow you to inspect ppls builds

[remote sonnet]

That creates bad prejudgements.

[steep flower]

Like they were not present before; ppl see a person not clearing a 40 and they don't accept them

or have no 'good' title

[remote sonnet]

I played with plenty of H40 people and they play horribly...

[steep flower]

i've seen poor sods with not even maxed weapons & curios wanting to do a 40

[remote sonnet]

That's different.

[steep flower]

mod is to sort those out

[thin minnow]

Smh let people have privacy

[steep flower]

its a videogame LMAO its not a toilet

[thin minnow]

It is still something you shouldn't be allowed to see in game smh smh

[steep flower]

despite us battling shit

[steep flower]

and get yourself a guy who unironically dies withing 5 mins of the match then leaves the team... in havoc... that happened a couple of times cause i wanted to see how ppl fair

so ye nah; privacy argument is absolute lmao

[thin minnow]

That's why you play with premades in the END end game content

Smh smh

[steep flower]

Lol no XD unless your def of a premade is ANY discord call then yeah; everyone plays premade then XD

many times tho party finder was used cause wait time was too long

or just wanted to see ppls builds cause you never know you might find something nicely cooked

[crimson pebble]

majority of my time played is not pre made and iv done basically everything their is to do so pre mades are definitely not a requirement

[unreal nova]

Shush.

[unreal nova]

I mean, I don't have any titles.

[steep flower]

You do

'Team Mascot'

'Aura Bot'

'Panic Bot'

'Lucky Charm'

Should i continue?

[unreal nova]

Do as you will, but I meant ingame.

[steep flower]

I mean how did you got those titles to begin with?

by your in-game activity

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure the aura bot was the title of my Zealot build.

[steep flower]

It is still YOU

[unreal nova]

Look, you play with 300+ ping and tell me do you much.

[thin minnow]

No, you play with friends.

[steep flower]

Not that often no

[thin minnow]

Well you should if you want competent people that won't ruin the game

Not people you peer into builds of using mods and judge them based on that

[unreal nova]

You should always play with friends. Randoms criticise more and such.

[thin minnow]

If you are playing smth as high as havoc 40 and want competent people, yeah, make some friends

[steep flower]

Judging is normal; what do you think ppl do when they see smite or shotgun/chainaxe?

[thin minnow]

Nothing.

[unreal nova]

You wouldn't know with the current dook PF though.

[thin minnow]

What?

[unreal nova]

The competancy of others.

[steep flower]

Can you be my friend? I'm soo lonely & miserable i need an adult 🥺 🙏

[thin minnow]

I don't play havoc 40

[unreal nova]

I had ppl with meta play worse than me while running a fever.

[steep flower]

Figures

[thin minnow]

And that's exactly why you just play with people you know.

You peer into someone's build, build might be ass, they might play great

They might have a meta build, but play like ass

It says absolutely nothing, just makes you judge them for no reason, and possibly makes them upset.

[unreal nova]

If I PF, I just take the first 4 H40s. Who cares anyway.

[thin minnow]

Just play the damn game really

[steep flower]

You really took this seriously? WOW

[unreal nova]

If it fails, I just poke at night at friends to carry me, yes.

[thin minnow]

I hate elitists.

[thin minnow]

That's the way

[unreal nova]

But to be fair, if you wanna go into the hardest content... It's a bare min to have everything maxed out and a half decent build.

[steep flower]

If i would be i would not accept random ppl in any way; Think what you like but i'm there for you my cutiepie :3

[unreal nova]

Considering PF randoms.

[thin minnow]

Is this guy always this annoying?

[steep flower]

I am

[thin minnow]

Having everything maxed is a requirement

[unreal nova]

I could care less if it's a stack going memes.

[thin minnow]

Refusing the play with someone just cuz of their build, something you aren't even supposed to see, is just pure asshole behaviour

[steep flower]

Sounds very elitist to me my friend

[thin minnow]

You literally can't play havoc before level 30

[steep flower]

Many ppl do that believe me; all have assholes after all

[thin minnow]

You NEED a full build.

[thin minnow]

Doesn't make them any good.

[unreal nova]

I meant weapons and curios.

[steep flower]

Many ppl are not even that experienced when they reach 30

[thin minnow]

By the time you get to havoc 40 that weapon will be maxed no matter what

[steep flower]

you really need to practice alot

[thin minnow]

Barely anyone maxed out every weapon

[unreal nova]

I just got dragged through the fire at like lvl 80~

[thin minnow]

And experience has no way of determining.

[crimson pebble]

if you want to go into semantics you could still be lvl 30 and not have any of your points invested

[thin minnow]

Get the mod that shows you someone's real level

[unreal nova]

300 ping havoc 40 because funni.

[thin minnow]

That's easier and reasonable to judge with than peering into their build and deciding "yeah this person sucks get them out"

Instead of seeing their actual experience

[unreal nova]

Lvls mean nothing. Srsly.

[thin minnow]

If someone is level 30([phone]) I don't care what build they have.

[unreal nova]

I have seen 2ks play worse than a lvl 3.

[thin minnow]

Everyone has bad days

[crimson pebble]

real

[thin minnow]

It is just a fucking game, just play it instead of jumping several hoops just to decide if the random that joined you will play good or suck before you start

If you are that sweaty it is time to play something else

[crimson pebble]

whats that one person cerine a zealot player i think notoriously bad player is like lvl 2 or 3k

[thin minnow]

Someone did bad? Block them, move on

[crimson pebble]

maybe celine

[crimson pebble]

(i lied theyre 5k now and it is celine)

[whole blade]

I changed the build since then my guy

[steep flower]

Sadly i played with ppl who had way more hours spend in this game and sucked massive dongliz so no; not really a solution

[unreal nova]

They get carried around, I assume?

[crimson pebble]

just absurd play time

[whole blade]

again thyats an old build

[unreal nova]

I mean, I know I'm bottom barrel, but I see ppl who seem to be under the barrel.

[steep flower]

Sounds very elitist there my friend… again

[steep flower]

The only sweaty one here is you now my friend; its time 2 chill

[steep flower]

I wish that talent was better

[whole blade]

Anyone keen to play

[whole blade]

Yeah sorry I was just replying because you were looking at the first build iteration and its been changed like 4 times since then lol. I have over 900 hours in this game but I have not played vet since rework

[thin minnow]

Using a function the game has so you don't match up with someone who did bad, and they won't even know

That's so much better than using mods to see someone's build, judge them based on that and decide they will suck solely off of that

You like havoc that much build your own fucking group to play with.

[thin minnow]

I am not the one jumping several hoops just so everyone plays the way I want

[steep flower]

You need to put your head in a fridge cause you’re getting a tad bit red on your face friend; time 2 chill

[whole blade]

I agree with you. but your acting like a massive cocksucker about it dude.

[thin minnow]

I AM chill dw

No wonder you gotta weed randoms out, no way you have any friends if you treat anyone who calls you out like a piece of shit

[steep flower]

I play with all; i don’t have a group, never did

[whole blade]

Your just being overly aggrssive man. You are so abrassive. Thats what makes you an asshole.

[whole blade]

play with meeeeee

[steep flower]

I just went to work :c wont be back in like 6+ h

[whole blade]

rip

[thin minnow]

"all" being anyone who doesn't use a build you deemed makes someone instantly terrible at the game

[thin minnow]

Who even are you

[whole blade]

I am a part of thisa community that your interacting with. your in a public space my guy

[steep flower]

Nobody called me out to begin with (or i have short term memory problems; might be both); don’t project, chill boi

[thin minnow]

Yeah, in a conversation that had nothing to do with you, don't really care what you call me

[thin minnow]

I did

[steep flower]

Oh sorry didn’t notice

I thought you meant something else

[thin minnow]

Enjoy treating people who have the misfortune of getting into the same lobby with you like shit cuz of their builds, you will go places

[unreal nova]

WDYM? I know you have a kinda fixed team now while I poke everyone.

[whole blade]

I'll just use the block feature and not play with them again.

[steep flower]

Well if you put it that way; go ask around

[thin minnow]

Exactly the normal thing to do, after you play with them, and see how they perform.

[steep flower]

Be the inspector gadget

[thin minnow]

Not before you even start the game, using things that aren't in the actual game

[whole blade]

yeah.

who here is doing that though?

no one said that

[thin minnow]

Fucking willy

Did you even read the conversation?

[unreal nova]

I don't think he does it lul. My builds are... weird to begin with.

[thin minnow]

If it was a joke, he never denied it.

Instead said "a lot of people do it"

[steep flower]

Karien is special cause she is… My Friend :3

[thin minnow]

Yeah, people with weird builds can play well, no shit.

[steep flower]

Since the dawn of time

[unreal nova]

To be fair many ppl do it. I'm just too lazy to mod.

[thin minnow]

Doesn't make it okay

Idc how many people do it

[crimson pebble]

if the devs didnt want it to exist then the mod would be gone tbh

[thin minnow]

It is still a piece of shit behaviour

[thin minnow]

It is a lot of effort to go through just to be an asshole

[whole blade]

I did. I even scrolled up to check. He didn't say that. He was just complaining about certian psyker builds are on average bad players

[unreal nova]

And more excuse to reeeeeeeeeeee about accessiblity issues for console players.

[thin minnow]

So we are blind now

[thin minnow]

Very blind

[thin minnow]

So very blind

[whole blade]

Bro if people are going into the highest difficulty without max gear. yeah you kick them. Like how is this objectionable.

[unreal nova]

Unless they are using very specific lower warp resist loadouts.

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoZID8VpUI
let me just drop this here

[whole blade]

I need this build. I love hellbore

[thin minnow]

Guess you don't get to fucking decide if the guy who joined a lobby is allowed to play or not

[grand perch]

check description

[thin minnow]

They clearly made it that far with whatever build they are using

[unreal nova]

If you host, you do.

[thin minnow]

Ask them at least of they have experience with havoc, they they are using not maxed things

[whole blade]

people can lie

[thin minnow]

Instead of just putting them in trash cuz they didn't have a thing you liked

[unreal nova]

More so on the old system where host eats punishment on loss.

[thin minnow]

It is not the old system now is it?

[thin minnow]

Then don't play with anyone

Wtf kinda logic is that

I am tired, keep doing what you are doing, you guys sound like a delight to play with.

[sudden cedar]

🍿

[unreal nova]

Salted caramel?

[sudden cedar]

Bleurgh

Does not sound like something i would like.

[whole blade]

I actually am I am a huge team player. My biggest gripe in this game is people cant coordinate and cover eachothers weaknesses as a team

bad target prioritisation fucking KILLS ME

[steep flower]

Nobody liked underleveled gear in any high end difficulty in any game period

[unreal nova]

Oh... Sad.

[thin minnow]

Cool.

Cuz those other games also give you the gear and weapons by sheer luck

[unreal nova]

What prioritisation? I just panic stab everything into book into more stabs.

[thin minnow]

Whatever I am sick of this.

[balmy flume]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[steep flower]

Man i feel ya

Not sensually

[whole blade]

We should actually game together one time. I think we would mesh well

I'll add you on fatshark

[whole blade]

just zealot things. But a good zealot will know when the right time to use flashbangs and what elites to kill first

[unreal nova]

What 'nades?

[whole blade]

you run throwing knife? lol

[unreal nova]

Is just crits and book.

[whole blade]

book?

[crimson pebble]

90% of the time nade and 'good zealot' are not synonymous

[whole blade]

Flashbangs are OP though

[steep flower]

Add me here; it is soo much better

[whole blade]

i never check discord friends but alright

[steep flower]

Sadly fatshark friend system is very… lacking

[whole blade]

well i added you on discord and fatshark

[steep flower]

Oh btw; since ‚Unlocked & Loaded’ update you don’t really have randomness in terms of gear but it is alright; everyone misses a memo here & there

[steep flower]

They are good… i just wish they would be on vet instead

Imagine exec stance vet with stun nades

[crimson pebble]

i still think stunstorm should apply brittleness

[whole blade]

idk I play Zealot and use bangs ALOT. Bunch of Ragers? Get Stunned. Enemy shooters that the vet cant kill? Get Stunned. Team Mate got downed and have to get a revive? Get Stunned.

[steep flower]

That… is actually a good idea

[crimson pebble]

it also mainly comes down to the perks above knife are also substantialy better then stun or fire

[steep flower]

They are still good but not that insane like ‚second wind’

[whole blade]

I could never get used to the knife. If it was a seperate weapon instead of an insta throw. they would be more usable

[steep flower]

Like assail maybe?

[unreal nova]

Steam friends.

[crimson pebble]

you get used to it its also a p nice kill anything infront of me thats not an ogryn or boss or mauler quick tap

[steep flower]

That could be a potential ‚nerf’/change to them cause they dominate too much

[whole blade]

yeah exactly

[thin minnow]

Uh huh, yeah, cuz everyone just gets a perfect curio out of the sky and don't need to roll for it, now stop pinging me Mr smartass

[unreal nova]

Is why rock easier for me to use.

[crimson pebble]

some if not most would honestly see having to hold the knive to use them as a nerf

[whole blade]

I just always miss when I use throwing knife on zealot. Its hard to aim. If it was a weapon like Rock or Assail. I cxould line up throws easier

Thats why I love Bangsa on Zealot

[thin minnow]

It really would be

[whole blade]

never use incendiary nades on zealot much

[unreal nova]

This is why I go Tknoifes. I took my knoife into H40, regens book faster.

[tall torrent]

it's not difficult at all to roll 16% toughness, 3 stamina and 20% health

[thin minnow]

Having something that can instantly take care of a far away enemy when you have your melee out is one of the biggest draws

[thin minnow]

There is no difficulty involved it is pure luck and takes time if you are unlucky.

[whole blade]

I can see the appeal on a flame thrower build in that case.

[steep flower]

Curio farming is random that is true but i don’t have an attitude of ‚hes having 16% toughness curio instead of a 17% not accepting’

[sudden cedar]

The zealot flamer is nice, but in a lot of cases you'll be running a Purgatus Psyker, so it would be kind of redundant

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I run 1 stam 2 hp zealot.

[sudden cedar]

In High Havoc at least

[unreal nova]

If he gets mad about curios, I'm literally rage inducing.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova I don't think we could rage at you in all honesty.

[steep flower]

Or smite

[sudden cedar]

But..

but he's playing SMITE

[unreal nova]

I can eat an overhead and be fine!

[thin minnow]

Any build really

It has no recoil perfectly accurate

[unreal nova]

Moar fire gud.

[sudden cedar]

Well yes.. sure.

[unreal nova]

Burn things, yes yes.

[sudden cedar]

Are you a Skaven.

[thin minnow]

I hate the purgatus fire effect at night it burns my eyes

[whole blade]

you dont understand its a mental block. If the weapon is not physically on screen my brain cant handle it

[sudden cedar]

Silly little rat men

[unreal nova]

Nu. I like to pat them though.

[steep flower]

Calm down karien rat; i will give you cheese soon

[sudden cedar]

🧀

Come and get it.

[steep flower]

🧀

Here karien

[unreal nova]

I'm a cat gremlin, WDYM?

[sudden cedar]

[steep flower]

🐟

Better?

[unreal nova]

No, my GF is the feeshy. Well, feeshfoxy.

[steep flower]

Soo sensitive… there are mods for that

[steep flower]

So you eat her… ok i will not dwell on it its a weird territory

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it hurts some.

[thin minnow]

Stop fucking pinging me holy shit

[whole blade]

this is getting into weird territory

[crimson pebble]

mostly the heretics

[steep flower]

Ping :3

[steep flower]

Oh god

[unreal nova]

And vampires. Is blinding.

[unreal nova]

Hrm?

[steep flower]

Just a reaction

[unreal nova]

2 cats 1 feesh best.

Lynette x Kokomi x Kirara.

Flees.

[steep flower]

Actually; turn on lights when you play at night - monitors light is very strong it does hurt the eyes in a long run. I do light my room at night when i play

[worthy terrace]

is shovel viable on higher difficulties?

[thin minnow]

Anything is really

[steep flower]

Just not againts unyielding but its great againts anything else

[worthy terrace]

was hoping that was the case been trying to make a high damage plasma build and last piece of the puzzle left is a good crowd control meleee

[steep flower]

Shovel for CC is perfect

Underrated weapon

[worthy terrace]

im bad with terminoligies what is CC? close combat?

[steep flower]

Crowd Control

[worthy terrace]

self directed face palm thanks for the help guys:D

[steep flower]

Dont worry i have problems with acronyms myself x-x

[worthy terrace]

zealot veteran psyker, we are all ogryns at heart

[unreal nova]

Mk 1 for hordes, yes

[tall torrent]

power sword or combat axe

the best form of horde control is horde clear

[remote sonnet]

Im having fun with Tac axe, quite good.

[sudden cedar]

@worthy terrace Iam a Zealot at heart, thank you very much.

[unreal nova]

Pifft, be a loot gremlin at heart. All ze ammo! All ze shiniez!

[worthy terrace]

least obvious ork spy

[worthy terrace]

will give this a try

[sudden cedar]

She's actually a rat

[unreal nova]

Wot? It's no secret I'm a Slaaneshi.

[unreal nova]

Nu. Cat.

[worthy terrace]

always knew there were heretics on the mourningstar

gotta wonder what fulgrims up to these days

[unreal nova]

I just share the hate for Nurglites.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova 🐀

[unreal nova]

Baps.

[steep flower]

Tac axe is a great defensive weapon, perfect for vet who shoots more than melees

[steep flower]

Crat

[unreal nova]

[worthy terrace]

whats everyones feelings towards the shock maul for higher level crowd control

im asking alot of questions i know but ive played this game mostly as a solo queue and am just trying to gain a consensus

rather than relying on out of date youtube videos

[twilit torrent]

Might be the wrong place to ask but: I only recently engaged with the Havoc system - I understood that my rank will go up the following week when completing a Havoc run or go down when failing 3 times without completing it. What if I completed one and then fail 3 times? It shows me 2/3 deployments until demotion after a failed run yesterday, but I have already completed my own assignment for this week, so can I join others and risk failing missions now or will I get a demotion over a promotion next week?

[sudden cedar]

There are two things regarding Havoc Rating.

Your Clearance and your Assignment.

Your Assignment is your mission, the one that you can provide to others.

[steep flower]

Shock maul is nice for CC but the dmg is lacking even with skullcrusher vs a horde; it does have underrated special attack tho with which you can stunlock key elites and give yourself & others some space

[sudden cedar]

Your Clearance is the highest level you have cleared a Havoc Mission in.

[worthy terrace]

youve been a massive help for information if you ever find yourself on apac servers and find a veteran names genros say hello:D

[sudden cedar]

Your assignment, the mission, may go up or down when you play. You complete a mission, your assignment goes up and if you fail too many times, it goes down.

It will also go down if you don't play any Havoc for too long.

Your clearance will, i think, only ever go up until you reach Havoc 40.

[worthy terrace]

also whats a good dump stat for power sword i have mine on cleave targets but not sure its working too well lmao

[sudden cedar]

Mobility?

[worthy terrace]

knew it

[sudden cedar]

I think it is bad as it is and no amount of extra will fix that.

Just have to cope.

[twilit torrent]

Thanks, the way I understood it from the Devpost/Wiki, the two are tied together, are they not? So if I were to complete a 30 this week (joining someone else), would my assignment then not automatically update to the highest rank I cleared when the reset hits?

[worthy terrace]

i do like power sword but as a zealot 'main' with relic blade going to veteran power sword feels insanely jarring

[sudden cedar]

It may have been that way, can't say about the current iteration.

[steep flower]

There is a dispute between cleave targets and mobility; considering you don’t get much from 80 vs 60 mobility id say mobility is a dump stat; 2% difference in dodge distance is not substantial enough to dump cleave targets

[umbral scaffold]

i mean i jumped from like havoc rank 2 to like 18 upon completing a havoc mission in those ranges

[unreal nova]

Cleave targets is meta dump.

But some would just dump mobility anyway. Mostly cos you will almost always activate it to use it.

And activating usually ups it's cleave enough to not bother.

[thorn lark]

Cleave Targets

Don't dump mobility, it's already horrendous as it is

[tall torrent]

cleave target is the better dump stat

because cleave difference is very small between 60% and 80%

only 10.9 vs 11.7 (won't make any practical difference)

mobility 80% gives +0.27m/s sprint bonus instead of +0.09m/s at 60%

[lusty ether]

270mm/s?!

I love when I run 18cm further than my fellow vets.

[unreal nova]

Stares with knoife in hand.

[glacial ferry]

you dump mobility on power sword bc you're better off moving with your secondary or your grenade out anyway

bonus points if you know how to fast dodge

[tall torrent]

grenade has no sprint bonus

[glacial ferry]

it also has no dodge negatives

[tall torrent]

ranged weapon depends on what u bring

faster sprint bonus is a lot better than 0.9 cleave in most cases

[glacial ferry]

I mean if you want sprint speed you just bring a better weapon lol, I don't think it really changes much either way

dodging is way more valuable than sprinting and your dodges will be tied to your other weapons

[tall torrent]

most ranged weapons don't have better sprint bonus than +0.27m/s, that's why

pistols, recon lasgun, that's about it

[glacial ferry]

so you run like double barrel or bistol

feeling spicy maybe autopistol lol

[steep flower]

Bolt pistol is nice for sprinting too

Revolvers

[glacial ferry]

infantry autoguns are nice too

[iron marten]

lol

[steep flower]

Basically any range gun exept combat shotguns, boltgun & helbores

[limber pawn]

Sorry I couldn't see I was tagged in this. First and foremost thanks to @steep flower and @sudden cedar for attempting this challenge with me for weeks and not only attempting but also helping find people to make it possible. It was the coolest team in my entire life and shout-out @obsidian acorn for protecting me at all cost and being the best tank I've seen. Everything was perfectly executed and everybody did all their best to make it possible. Literally best team I've had in my entire life not even kidding. We were chilling and laughing at things happening instead of people like try-hard focusing and all. Special thanks to @steep flower because he was the one pointing out my mistakes and teaching how to play as one. Cool guy!

[limber pawn]

yeah it was super fun as well, sorry for late replies guys I just saw them..

[modern abyss]

How does one maximize effectiveness with the plasma gun, I feel like it's outclassed by the bolter in dps

[thin minnow]

Is that female venom snake?!

[steep flower]

It makes them all the more spicy :3

[dry cloak]

dps yes. pure killing power plasma still is better

[unreal nova]

You managed TS then?

[limber pawn]

yeah ofc!

TS on Havoc 2.0 and 40 too

it is now golden TS

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Yes, and it was an amazing mission

[unreal nova]

I mean, the amount of gold toughness spam should explain it, heh.

[limber pawn]

well yeah but you know if that's what it takes to achieve? also I'm not a good nor experienced player I'm only level 79 lol

[glad temple]

How's the heavy sword

[unreal nova]

I mean, ppl dragged me from normal heresy into h40. Learning by trial of fire is a thing.

[glad temple]

I'm planning to play around and make a weapon specialist build

[limber pawn]

yeah I love how chaotic 40's are in 2.0

[unreal nova]

They are both hell I put myself through for the box.

I'm not even good enough to do 40, you know.

[limber pawn]

I think you joined us in one or two attempt before? You were good enough iirc

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You are good enough for everything.

[unreal nova]

That was just for weekly box lul.

[unreal nova]

Naw. I potato under pressure.

[sudden cedar]

Iam not even trying to cheer you up or say something that simply isn't true.

What i say is what i say.

You are good enough.

[limber pawn]

Well doesn't matter you were good enough. lol

[unreal nova]

For you, I guess. Heh.

[last marten]

cant wait to get home and shoot some fat blasma loads from the blasma bun onto screaming nurgle worshippers

[unreal nova]

Though have been trying knoife over DS4 for more crits.

[grizzled pebble]

Karien being modest she carried my heavy ass in havoc.

[unreal nova]

You carry me all the time. Stop gaslighting me!

[grizzled pebble]

[obsidian acorn]

:')) I protec spark 'ed with my life 🫡🫡

[limber pawn]

yeah just being modest

[limber pawn]

🫡