veteran-class

[whole blade]

Oooh I misread it. I thought it gave damage reduction for the party in coherency. it just gives myself damage resist

yeah I would rather just dodge and get crits

So this

[pseudo fiber]

Serrated blade?

You doing mercy killer knife?

[whole blade]

No sorry I swapped that with agile

[pseudo fiber]

Then yeah that look good

You'll have some fun with that

[whole blade]

Now I need some money to make a good shotgun

or revolver

this build mioght be fun hot swapping to headshot elites with revolver

[pseudo fiber]

It will be

[whole blade]

Thanks for your help

are you playing atm?

[pseudo fiber]

Still in work rn lol

[umbral scaffold]

Is the mk VII for shovels the best out of the marks

[pseudo fiber]

The mk1 is the best

[tame lodge]

1 or 7

They are pretty much the same weapon

Except mk1 has the special that staggers everything*

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm what blessings should I use on it?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Strike + Skullcrusher/Decimator

[umbral scaffold]

Does it stagger crushers out of the overhead as well?

[tame lodge]

Or even thrust on the 7

Yes if you hit their heads with it

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm so 7 is for more like single target damage while 1 is for horde clear?

[tame lodge]

Not quite

They have very similar horde clearing

Mk1 is safer

Mk7 has anti armor special

[umbral scaffold]

Ah does the special on mk 1 stagger everything even if it’s not a weak spot hit?

With the special^

[tame lodge]

Crushers and mutants require weakspot hits iirc
All other lesser enemies can be body hit

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm do people prefer the 7 or 1?

Or just a preference thing

[tame lodge]

It's a preference thing but most people go for 1

[safe sage]

what are some meta veteran builds that arent a lasgun build?

[tall torrent]

neither is particularly good, mk1 is more popular

[umbral scaffold]

So I’m stuck with DS psword or chainsword for vet it seems

[tall torrent]

chainsword is not good either

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

duelling sword (gonna get nerfed)
power sword
combat axe
combat blade

that's about it

but for the most part it's just power sword

[tame lodge]

Another power sword sweep

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-morbius-sweep-gif-25378327

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-sword-gif-22645353

[grand perch]

and tac axe of course

the hidden best weapon in the entire game

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/not-you-seamus-gif-24731889

[steep flower]

Use mk3

Underrated and good againts everything exept unyielding

[umbral scaffold]

Thought mk 13 was fine tbh

[steep flower]

Nah its dog

And mk4 is mid at best

If you wanna use a chain weapon use chainaxe

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe I need to see an updated vet build of what people are running

[tall torrent]

All chain weapons in this game are mid at best

[tame lodge]

When in doubt

[tall torrent]

They range from “room for improvement” to “a lot of room for improvement”

[green willow]

melee with highest stagger potential?

[tame lodge]

Entry level build vet it out

[tall torrent]

Ogryn weapons

[umbral scaffold]

The only difference is I use focused target instead of specialist

[green willow]

trick question its voice of command

[tame lodge]

Grenades

[tall torrent]

It’s not tho

[green willow]

true....

[tall torrent]

VoC straight up isn’t the highest stagger option in the game

[green willow]

i wish bashes on guns were relevant

you gotta be peeling my bananas...

[nimble wadi]

Any tips for not running out of ammo constantly with bolter? Maybe I’m using it too much instead of melee but in a maelstrom I kind of have to use it all the time lol

[tame lodge]

When the dinky wire stock bash is able to fumble Crushers

[atomic void]

vaccum all the ammo 👍

[supple stag]

Fire in bursts, don't magdump hordes

Your melee is your primary weapon in tide games

[green willow]

it's the level of disrespect that gives it the damage

[nimble wadi]

Yeah ik I just mean it seems like it runs out of ammo easily

[supple stag]

It's a downside you have to bear for it's killing power

Not all elite groups need to be boltered, you can tackle them in melee

For Gunners/Specials single aimed shot should put them down

[nimble wadi]

Yeah I’m mainly having trouble in maelstrom where there’s just a lot of specials and elites

[polar hazel]

Trench rat veteran works until 50 mutants and crushers decide to make my head do a crash test with the floor (definitely not a personal experience)

[plain osprey]

Dont magdump hordes. Get a melee with high cleave, like one of the heavy swords or the catachan devils claw or even the power sword and clear hordes with that. Boltermags dumped are for monstrosies or maybe armord clusters like gaggles of reapers/bulwarks, etc.

Use the braced/aimed shot fire mode for killing (preferrably ranged) elites and specialists.

Thats my golden rule for ammo conservation: i use ranged on dangerous ranged enemies (elite gunners, reapers, flamers, bombers) ranged on priority targets (bursters, trappers, dogs), i only ever magdump monstrosities and for anything else i use melee (except ragers, those get shot)

[polar hazel]

Smart

[torn gorge]

or maximise bolter output with ES

that way you can just 1 tap basically everything

and use a higher mobility melee like knife to move around

[polar hazel]

Executioners stance?

[torn gorge]

ye

[polar hazel]

I was never able to get any good stuff out of es sadly

[sonic kayak]

Think of it as your instant Bolter button

[plain osprey]

Eh, with bleed blessing you can one or maybe two tap almost everything and you dont sacrifice on the best ability in the game which is shout

[sonic kayak]

It does not reload your gun anymore, but it instantly swaps to your ranged

[torn gorge]

i appreciate more the reduced sway/recoil over instant weapon draw from ES tbh

[polar hazel]

I Need better builds and doesn’t last long enough

[plain osprey]

Did it use to reload your gun and If so, WHY did they change that

[sonic kayak]

Why reload when you can proc ES?

[magic aurora]

Single fire it more

[polar hazel]

I don’t remember it reloading your weapon?

[sonic kayak]

It used to a few years ago, no?

[plain osprey]

Because having a panic button that staggers everything that gives you golden toughness is way better than a five second damage increase

[torn gorge]

this should hit any relevant breakpoint, maybe marksman is the point that can be moved elsewhere

[magic aurora]

Exe stance bolter is secretely extremely good as it is, if exe stance reloaded the bolter still itd be unfun af

[plain osprey]

I have an ES build and compared to my other builds which use shout i hate it.

[torn gorge]

press ES, click heads and get a 1 tap kill on a random shooter before a tac reload

[sonic kayak]

I run ES exclusively with the Boltgun, so satisfying

[plain osprey]

How would it be unfun?

[torn gorge]

you have enough time to kill another to refresh and keep it going

i just leave marksman to magdump bosses really

[magic aurora]

You would ruin the lobby for everyone else by killing every threat that could make the games combat interesting

[plain osprey]

Sounds like a problem for everyone else

[magic aurora]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f02368e-63db-432a-8533-630dc9f74e23/exe-stance-bolter-with-based-shovel

Here's my build

[balmy flume]

If you have a Boltgun, run Frag Nades and some sort of horde clear CQC weapons. If you REALLY need spatial control, run VoC as well.

The other person covered the gist of it: do not shoot chaff hordes.

Boltgun Mag Dumps are only ever for bosses, grouped Crushers, grouped Bulwark (ONLY IF you have a good side shot), absolute emergencies (last man standing do-or-die near a res point), and end of level (where obviously escaping alive takes priority over ammo conservation)

[magic aurora]

I dominate maelstrom lobbies very comfortably with this

Double clutched this game

[sonic kayak]

Watch. Learn. Repeat. Got it?!

[polar hazel]

Wait did they rework the skill tree again it looks different

[tame lodge]

Did you stop playing for a while?

[magic aurora]

Pretty comfy in duo's too

[polar hazel]

About 2 weeks

[polar hazel]

Thx

[tame lodge]

Nothing changed in these 2 weeks

[polar hazel]

THANK KHAR- i mean the emperor

[tame lodge]

Skill tree wise that is

[polar hazel]

Because I didn’t want to have to rework my trench rat build again

Here it is btw

[magic aurora]

Tbh exe stance bolter is already like that in aurics

The bolter shouldn't have been buffed this hard

[tall torrent]

it'd be fine

[polar hazel]

Can you send me this directly

[magic aurora]

Nah it wouldn't be

I feel like people are too crutched on gold toughness to realize how broken exe stance bolter is

If shout/gold toughness ever got nerfed exe bolter would be the top meta build

[tall torrent]

nah it'd be fine

make vet good

[torn gorge]

buff left capstone

[tall torrent]

vet needs at least like

30~40 changes (mostly buffs) to talents

then buffs for a bunch of weapons

[magic aurora]

How are vet players talking like pre-rework ogryn players 💀

[torn gorge]

I'd like to see weapon changes before tbh

[polar hazel]

Make the auto gun variants better the vraks needs some competition

[torn gorge]

Specifically around effectiveness and ammo economy

[tame lodge]

Because vet is currently top 4 classes

[polar hazel]

One word the fucking vigilant auto guns

[tame lodge]

That's how the cycle goes

💀

[polar hazel]

Make them better

[tall torrent]

wat

[thorn lark]

Make Vet Great Again

[torn gorge]

Sadly the rework to recoil/sway is a long term goal

[tall torrent]

I mean 30~40 buffs in a very literal sense by what the game recognizes

I don't mean 30~40 major huge buffs

[thorn lark]

ogryns are nasty nasty

[tall torrent]

idk why certain people are so adverse to the idea that most things need buffs

[polar hazel]

I kinda want to find another blitz front line build

Mixin melee and ranged

[torn gorge]

They are probably afraid of Auric Damnation becoming the new Heresy

[sonic kayak]

It isn't?

[faint beacon]

It’s because Veteran suffers from a plethora of point tax reasons and requires a lot more effort to keep yourself alive when you aren’t strictly running the path 90% of vets use which is VOC, which is clearly an issue

The biggest bandaid fix they could do for both Vet and even fucking Zealot would just be buffing the weapons in the human arsenal first

[polar hazel]

As a zealot main idk if they need one

Or I don’t think they do

[magic aurora]

Im skeptical about how fatshark will keep power creep in check after them going crazy with ogryn and the popular sentiment in the community being "buff everything up to the dueling sword's level"

[tall torrent]

I'm not of the opinion that everything needs to be buffed to DS tier

[tame lodge]

💀

They need one

75% of the zealot tree is composed of dead talents

[faint beacon]

One god tier path and one abysmal dog shit everything else

[magic aurora]

Id like to see a lot of tweaks done to the human weapons though

[tall torrent]

I'm of the opinion that 95%+ of weapons underperform and the rest overperform
and unfortunately there is no "golden standard" of a good weapon to reference in the game's current state

[tame lodge]

Which is why The Build™ is a thing

[faint beacon]

That’s why it’s weird, but it needs a complete tree rehaul

[magic aurora]

Imo weapons should be about heavy sword level in power level

[tall torrent]

the closest is probably zealot's relic blade but even that I still think is slightly overtuned

[magic aurora]

Relic blade is arguably better than DS

same tier as DS for sure

[faint beacon]

Arguably

[polar hazel]

I swear by knife and relic

[magic aurora]

At least it has a moveset

[tall torrent]

duelling sword

[magic aurora]

Mainly because of the importance of a boss killing roll in havoc

[faint beacon]

But it actually has really bad movement which if you don’t know how to control, just look in Zealot chat on release of RB

[magic aurora]

Yeah

[sonic kayak]

The problem is as more content comes out, more TLC gets put into their creation. Stuff already in the game then is extremely lacking by comparison, and really needs to be combed through. Ogryn is so powerful now exactly because of that TLC.

[torn gorge]

Idk relic blade is basically the default choice nowadays for zealots

[faint beacon]

People despised it for a bit cause it was slow

[tall torrent]

not good enough

[torn gorge]

Outside of funny bonk times

[magic aurora]

It requires you to run a mobility gun, meaning not the flamer and bolter, in order to have comfortable mobility

[faint beacon]

Shredder pistol

[magic aurora]

Or laspistol

[faint beacon]

Which after its buffs is literally perfect for Zealot

[torn gorge]

Power level on melee is probably fine around bully club mk1

As the standard where to balance things

[polar hazel]

I kinda wish the power hammer had more build synergy

[faint beacon]

The debuff stick

[polar hazel]

I’m not convinced double barrel has had a hold on me since its release

[torn gorge]

Mk3 is arguably better

[tall torrent]

I think relic is the closest to a supposed golden standard, and if I were to change anything, it'd be on activation uptime and heat dissipation rate

[torn gorge]

And pickaxe are on another league

[magic aurora]

I rescind my statement i had a brainfart

[faint beacon]

I kid you not that’s mainly why Zealot needs a rework, so you can go down the other paths instead of only Tknife, Benediction, FOTF, keystone of choice

[magic aurora]

Mk1 club is based yeah

I like it for the level its at

Mk3 club is stupid

[torn gorge]

Mk1 and 2 require some investment to be sort of comparable to pickaxe

[faint beacon]

Extreme mobility and has innate Run N Gun so you can fire whilst sprinting

[tall torrent]

ogryn weapons are a bit hard to judge atm because ogryn's tree is overtuned (can use ~15 nerfs)

[tame lodge]

Paul level

[polar hazel]

Ye I used to use a shredder back during when orthus offensive dropped god help me the twins where a nightmare back then

[torn gorge]

My issue with relic blade is that it occupies the design space of evi and most other melee alternatives that aren't about mobility

[polar hazel]

I need to build a shredder anyway been planning to try it again

[torn gorge]

Whereas the ogryn club has a defined profile instead

[abstract sand]

i was using infiltrate to get the related penance done and it just did not feel good at all

[faint beacon]

On Zealot or Psyker?

[tall torrent]

ogryn club exists to be mogged by pickaxe

[abstract sand]

i really just don't know why you would not pick voice

[faint beacon]

Vet can use it just it’s the weakest technically on them

[polar hazel]

Zealot hate playing psyker

[faint beacon]

Inspiring barrage + Pinning fire

[polar hazel]

Alr

[faint beacon]

Literally the perfect Swiss Army knife

Somehow get fucked of toughness just spray

Free toughness

[polar hazel]

Then staple flakiac to it like I usually do

[faint beacon]

Yup

[tame lodge]

ES SAP so you can quite literally mop the floor with ragers

[faint beacon]

Flakiac for perks

[tame lodge]

The extra impact is funny

[tall torrent]

only dreg ragers

[tame lodge]

Still funny

[raven sedge]

Am I running into a noobtrap if I use the bolter a lot? Cause that thing is very satisfying to use.

[tame lodge]

We don't recommend prolonged periods of shooting

Your team needs ammo as well you know

Unless they are all Psykers without guns

[dry cloak]

i remember a game as a gunlugger. 2 staff psykers and alsgun vet

all ammo was mine

[tall torrent]

just remember to not shoot at anything u can hit in melee within 2s

[fading yarrow]

Maybe I'm just bad with the Relic Blade but I really don't see how this is the case
The DS two-shots Crushers on Damnation, the Relic Blade doesn't feel like it has half that much damage output without FotF spam

[dry cloak]

this shows how broken DS is

power weapons lore wise are really good againts armor

[fading yarrow]

Honestly? I'd put PS6 on the DS's level before RB lol

That charged push stab is nasty

And, ofc, Force Greatsword my beloved

Downward chop, stab, dead

[tame lodge]

Don't let Path see this

He'll address FGS as mid

Saved by the Warp Slash

[tall torrent]

power sword VI scales above DS

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[tall torrent]

DS4 just has no complexity and allows u to run away from problems better than most other options

[abstract sand]

ds4 is underpowered

i hope fatshark gives it a nice buff

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-rage-bait-rage-ragebait-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-gif-6165949868010589137

[abstract sand]

i want to be able to kill crushers in one click so i can go back to holding m1 with the recon lasgun

oh wait i already can nvm

[tame lodge]

💀

[tame lodge]

Me when I purposely consume rage bait online

[fading yarrow]

Bonk

Fatshark should let us do this with the Relic Blade tbh

[fading yarrow]

What the hell is this

I need it in my veins

[tame lodge]

You don't

It's Shadow Fight 3

[fading yarrow]

Mobile game

My heart has rarely been shattered so thoroughly

[tame lodge]

I did say that you don't

💀

[fading yarrow]

Yea but I was hoping you were wrong

[gaunt sleet]

Anyone got a good build for the infantry autogun?

[thorn lark]

You can run it with everything tbh

[midnight totem]

Can't really half sword with powered weapons

[fading yarrow]

I can

I'm built different

[glad temple]

Your prefferred recon lasgun?
The primer uses old names

I love that thing tho

[glad temple]

Actually the depiction is wrong

It's not about using the handle but the spikes on the sides
It's a stab basically

Source: I played Mordhau, video game named after this technique (called Mordhau, meaning "Murder Strike" in German)

[faint beacon]

Mordstreich is another term

murder-strike

[glad temple]

I love the german language

It has my vibes

[faint beacon]

its literally using the Crossguard as a pickaxe to pierce armor

[fading yarrow]

He's not using the handle, both knights are using specialized dueling longswords. The knight on the right is attacking with the spiked pommel

[faint beacon]

Mordschlag is another term as well "Murder-Blow"

[glad temple]

Ah cool

[glad temple]

Nothing beats PanzerFaust

[faint beacon]

I'd honestly say use the two former seeing the actual official name is now more so seen as a game lmao

[glad temple]

Game with dwarf naked bards at that

[glad temple]

Help me out here?
I'm using the blue one right now

[umbral scaffold]

any1 got a recon lasgun build? im gonna try it out and see what the hypes all about

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[torn gorge]

blue=fastest
brown=slowest

[glad temple]

You can look online too
Crits and shock trooper is based

[hollow ibex]

most online builds are ass

[glad temple]

I think I'll take brown then
Just need to unlock the variant I guess

[faint beacon]

Browns the worst variant but like- I still use it anyways 🚬

just use rending strikes with it isntead of Onslaught talent wise

blue you want to use Onslaught

[torn gorge]

there was somebody here months ago

vouching for the brown variant

in the context of having increased cleave

[faint beacon]

eh-

[glad temple]

Saw a vet today using it
Idk if it correlates with them being constantly low health

[faint beacon]

that really doesn't come into play

I just like how it hits hard is all

[torn gorge]

its a vibe thing

[faint beacon]

Veteran has no benefits from having low HP

unlike Zealot with Martyrdom

[umbral scaffold]

yo i think you misclicked superiority complex instead of shock trooper

[torn gorge]

martyrdom accatran build

[faint beacon]

Survivalist aura

its 100% intentional

[glad temple]

Also I got yeeted by a burster across an abyss onto the other side of the map and regrouped with my team

I called it the pox express

[umbral scaffold]

makes sense

[hollow ibex]

you really don't need both on recon las

the gun is so damn efficient

[faint beacon]

if you're running Survivalist you dont really need to run Shocktrooper

unless

[quiet valley]

You can Deadshot the XIV for infinite ammo drops on H40

[faint beacon]

you're running like Fireteam or Close and Kill

[hollow ibex]

and you should be using melee at leats half the time tsill

[umbral scaffold]

whats the best variant for the recon or is it just another personal preference thing

[faint beacon]

Blue

[hollow ibex]

for normal play VIc or XII

[glad temple]

I guess blue?

[faint beacon]

hands down honestly

just run Onslaught

deletes everything

[quiet valley]

All recon marks are fine, XIV is the best for H40 imo

[hollow ibex]

no

stop telling newbies to onssluaught 😠

[faint beacon]

Onslaught Recon Shovel with SKC + Deci calls from the abyss

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lol-headache-cute-funny-gif-26526333

[glad temple]

Idk I use deathspitter and I don't remember

The the
Adds damage on close kill

[quiet valley]

DumDum/Infernus, Flak Unyielding

[glad temple]

Yes Dum Dum and deathspitter is my combo

[faint beacon]

DumDum/Infernus is generally better

[glad temple]

I took flak damage and 3% crit chance profits

[glad temple]

Does the fire really make that much difference?

[torn gorge]

nah

[quiet valley]

Kills Monsters a lot better

easier trigger condition than Deathspitter

[torn gorge]

comes in handy with the havoc modifiers that are damage resistant

[glad temple]

I usually take my chainsword for that

[faint beacon]

^ main reason

super easy to trigger

[quiet valley]

Chainsword 💀

[faint beacon]

specials somehow manage to escape from LOS they usually die to burn

[glad temple]

What?
It works
I've killed spawns with it

[faint beacon]

its one of the weakest melees in game

it needs a lot of help

[quiet valley]

In malice? or?

[glad temple]

I love how any time I talk in this chat I hear Loose cannon's voice in my head as I'm writing

[glad temple]

Malice I think
Difficulty 3 so malice

[glad temple]

I'm open to bloody suggestions!

[quiet valley]

Yeah you dont get the same amount of space in higher difficulties

[hollow ibex]

chain weapons are not in a good spot rn

unless you play zealot

but zealot can make anything work

(except dclaw mk1)

[quiet valley]

Recons are one of the best boss dmg ranged options for vet atm

Melee boss dmg for Vet is PS6 for huge boss dmg, and DS4 does good boss dmg

[glad temple]

So power sword or devil sword?
I read that right?

[faint beacon]

to put it blunt its clear is not the best on Damnation (5) or Auric Damnation (5+) and it falls off heavily against Carapace and Bosses on those

Dueling Sword

[glad temple]

Ah k

[faint beacon]

DS is Dueling Sword

[glad temple]

Will get that later

[orchid hemlock]

😈 sword

[quiet valley]

CLAW

[glad temple]

Always seemed too fancy for my taste but k

[quiet valley]

its devil's claw 😦

[glad temple]

What does the special do by the way?

[faint beacon]

I wish Devils claw was that good

on what?

Devils Claw?

[quiet valley]

parry

[glad temple]

No

Duel

[faint beacon]

Chainsword?

oh

[quiet valley]

stagger

[faint beacon]

thats just heavy stagger

[quiet valley]

can stagger crushers out of overheads, its broken

[faint beacon]

quick poke that gives heavy stagger

[orchid hemlock]

It staggers everything in the game if you hit them in the heat with it

[glad temple]

Oh my

[orchid hemlock]

Except bosses

[cinder token]

i chain heavy/special/heavy/special

[trim badger]

It can stagger anything but bosses xd

[glad temple]

Ah you gotta hit the head that's why it felt useless

[orchid hemlock]

Well u should be hitting everything in the head with the DS anyways 💀

[trim badger]

That's just DS in a nutshell

Hit heads or it's crap

[quiet valley]

You should be hitting everything in the head in general?

[hollow ibex]

hit heads and it's still crap

[trim badger]

My name is dclaw mk1:

[glad temple]

Eeeerm ye I know that of course

[glad temple]

Wait till we get power fist

[quiet valley]

cope

2025 new vet weapon guys

[trim badger]

Must have >50% headshot acc with DS else ur bad

[quiet valley]

You can miss headshots and drag to hit heads on DS

its super generous

[trim badger]

Yeah they should reduce the amount of time it counts as active

[faint beacon]

"no worries veteran's you get a weapon come 2025"

[trim badger]

At least for the thrust heavy

[faint beacon]

its halfway through 2025 now

[trim badger]

They should also reduce the hitbox size of the thrust heavy

[glad temple]

Please don't tell me in this game you gotta learn drags and accels too

[trim badger]

And nerf/rework uncanny...

[hollow ibex]

don't need to worry about that here lol

[trim badger]

And reduce its mobility to be 2nd fastest...

[faint beacon]

Well I mean it helps

[trim badger]

And dodges to 4...

[faint beacon]

but not really no

its not like a make or break

[trim badger]

And make the stagger special not stagger ogryns...

[glad temple]

Dw I was kidding
Just a chivalry 2 player

And mordhau ofc

[tall torrent]

nah

DS should have 5 dodges

[orchid hemlock]

DS should be deleted

[tall torrent]

it just shouldn't have absurdly high sprint bonus, absurdly high first target dmg and ninjafencer dodge template override

[tall torrent]

nah

[quiet valley]

Alright chat

Please discuss H40 Tier list

[orchid hemlock]

Who made this

[quiet valley]

me

[orchid hemlock]

Wait nvm I see IAG 2b in C tier

0/10

[trim badger]

Hey now, it's my fav weapon...

[quiet valley]

Which one? IAG have huge ammo tax atm unfortunately

[tall torrent]

having a wildly impractical poking stick is fine

[trim badger]

Found the hellbore lasgun fan

[quiet valley]

I will post more Helbore propaganda for non-believers

[orchid hemlock]

2b

[hollow ibex]

ilas?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[quiet valley]

Oh ilas? its ight

[orchid hemlock]

My precious

[quiet valley]

Honestly could bump it to B with the MkVII

They are decent just not amazing

[hollow ibex]

i feel like vii would be worse in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Ghost my beloved

[hollow ibex]

with all the breakpoints going out the fucking window lol

[quiet valley]

H40 Helbore IV

[orchid hemlock]

U use surgical hotshot right?🤔

[quiet valley]

Been using Armorbane for but Hotshot is fine too

Gives a little better utility for Purple armor packs, and a little more boss dmg on Armorbane

[orchid hemlock]

I'm just terrified in those situations where u have to shoot thru the horde

[quiet valley]

MkIV has decent cleave

And you can always jump

[orchid hemlock]

I thought cleave is useless in Havoc because of the insane hit mass

But hotshot negates it

[quiet valley]

Hotshot is kinda meh to me after Path explained the math behind it

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's meh

[quiet valley]

You need to hit ALL Headshots to feel that cleave, even after the first hit

[grand perch]

it sounds funneh with the blessing lvl 1 "bug" but doesnt actually make much difference

[orchid hemlock]

Wait does armorbane also count on the poking? 🤔

[quiet valley]

no 😦

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think the benefit is more for melee weapons

[quiet valley]

But you can shoot 2 quick uncharged shots for full stacks

[hollow ibex]

but even then... eh

[grand perch]

imagine if there was no CDDC and hotshot literally made you cleave 5x the enemies you would without

[orchid hemlock]

What about the other Hellbores?

[quiet valley]

Just make Hotshot actually ranged prenerf Brutal Momentum

Would it be that broken? Plasma is in the game btw

[quiet valley]

Other Helbores are great, but I prefer the IV because of the Reaper/Bulwark 1 shot breakpoints and the dmg to crusher packs

[hollow ibex]

if i'm taking a helbore, i expect it to have carapace damage

[quiet valley]

All Helbores can kill armor with an ok TTK, but IV cuts thru Carapace like butter

[orchid hemlock]

I'm just thinking about using MK5 because it rips apart boss shields 💀

[quiet valley]

Also IV just hits those funny CHUNKS on bosses

[orchid hemlock]

Do u need rending strikes on the Hellbore? 🤔

[quiet valley]

It helps, makes your crits have a better top end

[orchid hemlock]

But is bring it down better?

[hollow ibex]

eh idk if rending is worth it on helbore

[quiet valley]

I take both

[torn gorge]

on 4? prob not?

outside of bosses

[quiet valley]

Yeah its extra boss dmg, and a pinch of extra carapace dmg

[orchid hemlock]

🤏🏻

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

[orchid hemlock]

I usually take it for the nades

[quiet valley]

Yeah it helps the bleed on Nades a lot

[umbral scaffold]

What blessings?

[quiet valley]

I just posted the build link

[umbral scaffold]

Just saw

[umbral scaffold]

Would this hold up at all with shout or is executioner what’s carrying this?

[quiet valley]

You can def play shout its the same build basically, but Exec stance is way more fun imo

Breakpoints might be a little more iffy on H40 but should still put in work

[torn gorge]

voc in general is prob the best ability for helbore

being such committal weapon

[orchid hemlock]

No it's definitely ES

Breakpoints is everything on Hellbore

[quiet valley]

Exec stance eliminates the draw speed with instant ready, and is good scaling with all the Finese and Crit on Helbore

[hollow ibex]

heblbore draw without ES

🤮

[quiet valley]

Exec just needs a defensive buff imo

[orchid hemlock]

Not taking VOC in havoc tho is pretty nasty at times

U think my teammates took any toughness Regen nodes? 💀

[quiet valley]

ranged toughness dmg reduction during ability use, or toughness regen during the ability use would fix it

Its still very usuable

[faint beacon]

from my short period using Vigils in Havoc

yeah

yeah that seems right

really good ammo econ but like

its not the absolute best

[quiet valley]

You just dont have a panic button when shit good bad

[quiet valley]

I think Vigils are in a good spot atm tho, They did a lot better than the rest of the vet roster

[faint beacon]

I feel like they could still use tweaks mainly for the other classes sanities

not insane buffs

just small/minor ones

[quiet valley]

The IX could honestly creep into A tier for me

[faint beacon]

Rending strike + FT on IX I didn't realize how fucking stupid

it is

at killing Maulers

[quiet valley]

Yeah its pretty nuts

[faint beacon]

2 bursts drops it instantly

and Im the fucking Vigil IX main

I think I was just too stubborn to try it out lmao

[quiet valley]

haha well at least we know now, IX slaps

[faint beacon]

recoil and a few other small things keeps it from being like an S or High A tier gun

I'll say that

but its a Solid weapon

[grand perch]

still vastly prefer graia VII vigi

[orchid hemlock]

Heh, y'all are in prehistory

Behold my creation 😏

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0a3f5e-1fd1-4eb4-85ac-996f01651ac7/brace-for-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[grand perch]

but IX is alright

[quiet valley]

BRAUTO user detected

[faint beacon]

CEASELESS BARRAGE

[quiet valley]

Not even based Graia Braced :0

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/gadriel-space-marine-2-warhammer-space-marine-warhammer-40000-gif-336276864448769752

[grand perch]

CEASELESS DISCHARGE

wait wrong game

[orchid hemlock]

Oh yeah take that in havocs

By Agri cleave feels like a flamethrower in regular games 😈

[quiet valley]

You can loot at the list for my opnion on brautos atm haha

They are really fun in Auric, but Havoc hit mass shits on them

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-sad-rain-cry-gif-3707751

meanwhile vraks brautogun

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1375230550901788672/caption.gif

[quiet valley]

Shotgun buff with update guys?

cope or no cope?

[faint beacon]

I pray

become my arbitrator duo

[grand perch]

breadley

[orchid hemlock]

I can switch around some nodes and take inspiring barrage for you

[quiet valley]

wait, no Killzone is wild

[faint beacon]

certain builds I pass on it

but I seriously try to get it if I can

nearly 100% uptime to me

nearly

probably like 90%

but still

[quiet valley]

Yeah its uptime is really good

[faint beacon]

I'd say for newer players

dont

cause you get hit in melee a bunch

[orchid hemlock]

Killzone stops working the moment u block an attack

[quiet valley]

you can push enemies before the hit you, and if you take a hit or have to block

It usually means you should reposition

[hollow ibex]

killzone's good if it changes breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

I wonder if "healing" Vet can come back in havoc 🤔

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[dry cloak]

its a weapon availbale in Warhammer 40k;Darktide

[abstract sand]

hi friends

how could i make these curios better?

[grand perch]

too much focus on stam imo

i'd get rid of either stam regen or sprint efficiency

probably for gunner resist

[hollow ibex]

take sprint efficiency, and replace stam regen with something else entirely

3x sprint efficiency is the way to go on vet

[grand perch]

whoever was sadistic enough to have twin bosses be able to spawn at the end of hab dreyko

when youre just supposed to run

may their socks always be damp and gross

[abstract sand]

@grand perch @hollow ibex How's that?

[tropic notch]

I’d change the ability regen to stam regen other than that it’s perfect

[grand perch]

its 3x gunner res already

ability cd is fine. not my favorite but i use it here and there

[tropic notch]

Oh oops I’m silly

[grand perch]

could replace CDr with toughness or health if you feel like it but i'd use these no problem

[tropic notch]

Needs stam regen

[hollow ibex]

nah

sprint efficiency is better on vet

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350122574952140822/1356089073135124532/20240405_090211_doc_2024-03-29_05-29-41.gif

[hollow ibex]

stam regen is for other classes that don't have the dogshit stam regen delay that vet gets

[tropic notch]

I use both

[hollow ibex]

unnecessary

but then again i run 3x ordo

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[tropic notch]

You just gotta pick a node

[hollow ibex]

except the pathing usually isn't going to take me there

[abstract sand]

Bashing my head into the wall

[hollow ibex]

and i don't want to spend 1 talent point on it

[abstract sand]

I just spent my plasteel

[hollow ibex]

i never have points to spare

[hollow ibex]

you're fine, stam regen is less helpful than sprint efficiency

for vet

[abstract sand]

nvm

sprint eff is so much better

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build dis my vet build

@faint beacon how good is knife vet in havoc?

How hard will I be coping?

I see ainz using the d barrel and it makes me wanna use it so bad

I love weapon swapping

[faint beacon]

0 horde clear

its just DS but more respectable

[tropic notch]

Fuck my stupid vet life

[faint beacon]

hit mass making you hit one enemy at most on high havoc

you will PS and you will like it

[tropic notch]

Ps or gtfo

[faint beacon]

hwo do I hit him

[tropic notch]

hwo do I cleave them

[narrow frost]

Appletart uses taxe

but thats apple

[tropic notch]

Might just do crit cursher on zealot

[tropic notch]

on vet?

Holy moly

I might as well use the shovel

Cole maxxing

[faint beacon]

shovel is a thing

Hotshot makes it slightly more bareable

[tropic notch]

“Anytime I play vet I just use shovel”

[trim badger]

Not the tagged person but I run 24/7 knife on vet for havoc

[tropic notch]

I’d expect decimator to be enough

[trim badger]

Knife is cool

[sharp epoch]

yeah db is viable

[tropic notch]

I know dat you silly billy

[sharp epoch]

it ends up being a melee build though db is mostly to proc agile engagement or delete close range specials

[abstract sand]

"terrible"
no flesh tearer/lacerate

[tropic notch]

[narrow frost]

Lacerate slander?

[abstract sand]

is there any other good perks that arent gunner res, sprint eff, and combat ability regen?

or should i just do this lol

i feel like 3 gunner resistances is too much

[fossil basalt]

Usually only need one (resistance)

And I think they have decreasing effects on stacking multiples of the same? Maybe I'm just hallucinating

[faint beacon]

they dont know

[grand perch]

gunner resistance stacking is good

its diminishing returns but still

[tame lodge]

*deserved lacerate slander

[grand perch]

who is this appletart and where do i send the gift basket for being so based

[tame lodge]

It even got shittier once I learned that they buffed horde mass

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[narrow frost]

A Chad gamer

In this server

Met them randomly on party finder

[red robin]

Ultra baller

I hate cleave hard cap

Doesn’t stop taxe from going hard tho

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

(Taxe going above and beyond despite being held back from cleave cap)

[narrow frost]

BM exists though

[red robin]

Yur

I want more than 4 tho

But uh ngl, first target, crit, and finesse bonus applying to other targets from BM insane ultra baller status

I think that’s the case for weapons that ignore hitmass

[grand perch]

the hell is that chest armor

never seen this one

dont think ive ever seen it

[lucid silo]

Where can i check out like weapon tier lists as a vet, trying to see which weaps are like worth going for

[sick cedar]

Iirc it's from the rogue trader series

[tropic notch]

Knife, dueling sword, power sword, Rashad mk3

Very good melee weapons

D barrel, revolver, bolt pistol, plasma for ranged

[lucid silo]

I know the first 3 but whats a Rashad

[tropic notch]

Combat axe

[lucid silo]

Ohh

[tame lodge]

BM might be the only way of playing Taxe

[tropic notch]

Vets best weapon tbh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[tropic notch]

I wuv the Rashad

[tame lodge]

Taxe went from hitting 3 walkers to 2

Truly a weapon

[lucid silo]

I'll give these a try also, thx for the suggestions

[tame lodge]

Gimme a second

It might be outdated

But it was made by the same person that wrote the guide

[lucid silo]

Huh, ye that'd be nice if you could, huehue

ones i could find was like til 2 years ago but idk if it was still worth loking at

[lucid silo]

got so far as to maxing my masteries on Boltgun and Chainsword but i think im getting to the point where its getting rough on higher difficulties

[tame lodge]

The Shredder Auto Pistol should be at good rn

[severe jolt]

Rashad combat axe is good for everything and absolutely unga bunga easy to use. You only need to spam light attacks for hordes and heavy attacks for single targers.

[tame lodge]

Due to buffs and whatnot

[quiet valley]

Las Pistol X slander

[tame lodge]

I'm just the messenger

[narrow frost]

Shot dead

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-stop-bullets-movie-keanu-reeves-gif-7958999

[lucid silo]

Does like the weapo Mk matter, I'm seeing different kinds and idk if theyre any different than the other of its type

[quiet valley]

Weapons Mk does matter

Different dmg profiles or move sets

[severe jolt]

Yeah they have different movesets, and different damage profiles and suchs.

[quiet valley]

The real H40 ranged weapon tier list

[severe jolt]

Don't get intimidated though, it's actually fun to have different types of the same weapon once you get the hang of it.

[deep bone]

I use Kantreal LasGun and I won’t stop using the Kantreal LasGun

[lucid silo]

Ooh, ye was gonna ask if there was one with like names cuz i dont know them all by heart

[austere mica]

Get well soon

[lucid silo]

Ye, i definitely wanna try and get used to the other weapons but idk where to get started, so thanks for these everyone

[hollow ibex]

ranged weapon marks are usually split into:

• fast attacking, lower damage
• middle child
• slow attacking, higher damage

[deep bone]

Nah gang I just don’t care about the meta

[austere mica]

Neither do I

[deep bone]

I like using Kantreal cause I like them in lore

[austere mica]

But I like having fun and the point and click weapon that isn’t even good is pretty ehhh

[deep bone]

Lasguns are cool af

Lasguns are fine lol

I have used them in H40 and it works for me

[quiet valley]

Inf las are quite good throughout Auric, and you can Clear Havoc 40 with them it’s just not going to be great

[austere mica]

They don’t feel good

[hollow ibex]

they feel awful, and are super fucking annoying to build for

[deep bone]

Obviously it’s not as good as plasma but I don’t really like using Plasma tbh

[austere mica]

Too much visual recoil and lame effects

[deep bone]

I enjoy them so that’s all that matters to me 🙃

[quiet valley]

The problem is that the Las Pistol does everything the Infantry Las does with More Dmg, More Mobility, and built in Suppression immunity

[quiet valley]

Take the Helbore pill

[austere mica]

And it sounds better

And actually uses Infernus well

[deep bone]

I don’t mind Helbore

I use it occasionally

But I mostly use the Kantreal Mk.IIb

Or the Mk.VII

[severe jolt]

I see an enemy and I hit it hard with an axe.
I point the gun at the enemy's head and I shoot.
That's why I like the Rashad combat axe and the laspistol.
Simple as.

[deep bone]

Fair enough

[grand perch]

the absolute slander

i love the effects

[deep bone]

IMO Lasguns are fun

[lucid silo]

Is this an Infantry Lasgun, out of curiosity hehe

[umbral scaffold]

y'know why do i see so little vets around in pubs

[deep bone]

Yes

[tame lodge]

Just spray and pray

[deep bone]

I am a Imperial Guard enjoyer

[tame lodge]

Just spray and pray

[tropic notch]

This is silly

[umbral scaffold]

2dmg

[deep bone]

I like my standardised M36 LasGun

[tame lodge]

You imply I hit something

💀

[quiet valley]

I’m happy to discuss if you disagree

[lucid silo]

Wat are some of the blessings and perks I should put on a Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

now do it with melee weapons

[tropic notch]

Narp I just call it silly I’m not gonna argue wif people

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Brutal Momentum

Always

And Perks

[quiet valley]

The tier list would be Dueling Sword and Power Sword in S, Shovel Mk1 in B, and the rest in D-F

[tame lodge]

I think it's carapace elites

[deep bone]

Power sword is fun

I like chainsword just wish it was better tbh

[umbral scaffold]

real

[bold bridge]

Is combat knife not good anymore?

[deep bone]

I have made my Loadout based on actual guard regiments

[quiet valley]

It’s fine there’s just not really a reason to Kite, stuff needs to die fast in Havoc*

[umbral scaffold]

a moment i still remember from the first time i played darktide was on the assassination mission and i five tapped the captain boss by just chainswording the shit out of him

[lucid silo]

trying to do this too honestly lmao

I love guardsmen in wh40k

[tropic notch]

@quiet valley last time I argued wif someone

[umbral scaffold]

what about the combat axe

[deep bone]

My main is Kantreal Mk.VII and Power Sword for a Cadian regiment

Krieger is Lucius Pattern and Chainsword

[tropic notch]

Called him a goober

He didn’t like that

[deep bone]

Steel Legion is Kantreal Mk.IIb and Claw Sword

[lucid silo]

Do I just keep loking at Armory exchange for the weapon Mk im looking for

[quiet valley]

I didn’t mean actual argue argue I mean discuss

[quiet valley]

Brutal momentum falls off when you start missing breakpoints

[deep bone]

When you level up a weapon type enough you can change the weapon in your inventory to different Marks

[hollow ibex]

you don't need to. just get the right weapon, and once you level it up, you can convert it between marks freely

[umbral scaffold]

im gonna guess catachan is the knife and revolver?

[deep bone]

Not

[lucid silo]

Oh, thats hella usefull wth

[deep bone]

Braced Autogun and Combat Knife

[umbral scaffold]

i was close enough

[deep bone]

Yep

[lucid silo]

I'll do just that then

[deep bone]

I used to Love the Mk.IX Infantry LasGun but it’s obsolete now

The Mk.VII is better for raw damage cause it has a higher fire rate and nearly the same DMG but the Mk.IIb is great cause it’s fast af

[faint beacon]

Basically just play more with weapons or upgrade said weapon you want to upgrade to green and sacrifice it

[umbral scaffold]

infantry lasgun used to be my favorite but now it feels like anytime i use it i do far worse than if i just used literally anything else

[deep bone]

When is fatshark gonna give us the Hotshot LasGun

I want my big LasGun

[umbral scaffold]

we really do need an armor pen lasgun

[keen flare]

Command brig leathers is such a fire cosmetic but there's no pants that go with it

[deep bone]

I want my funny Kasrkin Gun

[umbral scaffold]

too baggy for me

[zealous prawn]

Are chainaxes any good? I really wanna make a build with one.

[deep bone]

This is my outfit for Vet

Cadian 110th

[umbral scaffold]

very nice

me personally i immediately speedran getting somethign to cover up my face because the character customization is ass

[keen flare]

Veteran sentry uniform 🔛 🔝

[deep bone]

The sentry uniform is cool I just don’t like the lack of shoulder plate

Non Standardised

[keen flare]

I think it works great with the duelling sword cause with the animation he's only presenting his armored side to attack

idk I just like that

[deep bone]

It’s is not Compliant with Astra Militarum Uniform Regulations

[deep bone]

That’s fair

[tame lodge]

Good against carapace
Okay-ish hordes

Poor dodges

[deep bone]

I have never used the chain axe once in my entire time playing this game

I should try them

[umbral scaffold]

is the knife or power sword actually good

[zealous prawn]

So if i take it with a horde clearing ranged option i should be good? like how viable are they.

[quiet valley]

Go Weapons Specialist Keystone with Double Barrel or Revolver for ranged

[hollow ibex]

yes very

[umbral scaffold]

just making sure, i think im addicted to the combat knife because of how fast it lets me be

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's fun

[sand oracle]

Curious as to why you rate the heavy variant laspistol higher - is the reason you take it not for ammo economy and fire damage on bosses?

Or it a breakpoint thing for the likes of pus hardened?

[lusty ether]

you go zoom and pop heads

go zoom

pop heads

[sand oracle]

I mean I use the mk 2 laspistol all the time, I was just wondering what was so special about the mk 10

[mighty willow]

It looks like something you'd wear after a long campaing where you progressively lost equipmemt and had to improvise

[surreal mountain]

Could someone explain to me in caveman terms why the Plasma Gun is so well regarded? I just can't make it work nearly as well as a Hellbore

[hollow ibex]

nothing, but he's using deadshot and mk2 uses way too much stam for that

[hollow ibex]

big damage, 50 cleave, projectile the size of mars, big mag size

[sand oracle]

Deadshot??? That's a choice.

[mighty willow]

Charge gun, blessing make dmg go up. Me shoot Crusher, it goes boom

[hollow ibex]

he's a big deadshot user in h40 so yeah

[hollow ibex]

akshually charging is inefficient

🤓

[mighty willow]

[tame lodge]

50+ cleave one shot machine

Goes through some soft covers as well

[golden bluff]

When we getting the meltagun anyways

[surreal mountain]

Bro I WISH

[golden bluff]

Want my d6+2 damage at close range

[mighty willow]

2 years from now

[tame lodge]

Also you never charge plasma gun

[surreal mountain]

The dragon blood shotgun is so cool but it's just not that guy

[mighty willow]

Prolly

[tame lodge]

The current iteration is just M1 spam ad infinitum

[surreal mountain]

Oh

[tame lodge]

Until you overheat

8 shots

[surreal mountain]

Yeah that changes things

[mighty willow]

I click m2 over and over until i reach 70% and then i shoot the crusher to one shot it

[tame lodge]

What you do doesn't fully reflect how current Plasma is used

[surreal mountain]

That's ridiculously well animated

[tame lodge]

But hey

If it works

Props to ya

[mighty willow]

Listen. After the 4th Voice of Command /Weapon Specialist build, i need something to keep my brain engaged to what is happening.

[surreal mountain]

So I just build it for spam

[hollow ibex]

maybe play with other ults

[tame lodge]

Yeah 8 shots before overheating which then auto vents the weapon

However

It's often expensive

To get a god roll

@tired egret

[mighty willow]

Infiltrator has been fun

[surreal mountain]

Idc I've got way too many resources, I've almost exclusively used the Hellbore since I started playing

[hollow ibex]

yeah i like infil even if it's kinda ass

[mighty willow]

I feel it reinforces a selfish attitude, when the game is based around playing as a team

[surreal mountain]

Infiltrate is great if you want to make fun of your team for dying (it's your fault you didn't shout their armor up)

I ran it for a combat medic build for a while until I realized I could just make my team not die

[quiet valley]

It’s more stamina efficient to run Deadshot on, and the Breakpoints are very nice on H40, it 1 taps most specials and gunners in the head

[mighty willow]

VoC/Weapon Specialist Dueling Sword and Plasma gun is like playing the game with your brain on airplane mode.

No thoughts, only M1 spam, Charhed M1 spam for boss, and pressing "f" here and there

[sand oracle]

One tap in head with a gun like that is ... Pretty good. I assume that's -with- a crit?

[golden bluff]

Has helbore been buffed in the last year? I like pretending to be a sniper but IIRC the gun did dink all against regular shooters without like half charge

[sand oracle]

If not I might just stick with the mk 2, 'cause I'm not a fan of deadshot

[quiet valley]

You can Deadshot both Mks

[sand oracle]

I mean the best way to use a helbore IMO is to just hold the charge in ADS to crit fish with surgical and shock trooper to have unlimited ammo at range.

[surreal mountain]

Really th dueling sword?

[sand oracle]

The main issue with helbore IMO is weapon swap time.

[mighty willow]

It is as strong as Saltzpyre's rapier in vermintide 2

[quiet valley]

you will float around 65% Crit with Deadshot on the LasX and Focus Target will fix all of your stam problems

[surreal mountain]

Truth, the fact that it stacks with itself with that melee kill for range damage bonus perk thing is pretty wild though

[quiet valley]

Exec Stance it

[golden bluff]

Yeah I just remember really wanting to make helbore work because I liked the idea but having an absolutely miserable time in practice

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

They made it so they all took the same amount of ammo on uncharged shots

[sand oracle]

Saltz rapier ranged stagger with unlimited ammo enters the chat:

[mighty willow]

That or powersword tbh, they ate both good

[surreal mountain]

I haven't played Vermintide, I honestly only got into Darktide because it had the Hellbore lol

[tame lodge]

So Mk4 can uncharged shots their way through a match without wasting ammo

[mighty willow]

At least it isn't the goofy infinite stagger from the bilhook

[quiet valley]

Anyone who says the Helbore is bad is crazy

[mighty willow]

I think Ogryn pickaxe got a similar moveset

[plucky pewter]

Tasty

[sand oracle]

Karsolas feels like the greataxe IMO while branx feels like the warpick (but good)

[mighty willow]

Vermintide 2 is fun, i play Darktide mostly cause i enjoy 40k more than Fantasy

[quiet valley]

It’s a lot harder to use than other options but packs strong consistent damage through an entire match with ZERO ammo pickups

[grand perch]

i dug out my helbore mkIV for havoc 40 again as well today, exe + mf build

[quiet valley]

I go Keystoneless because I just wanna focus on shooting tbh

[surreal mountain]

Speaking of why did they change the names of the variants

They used to make sense

[quiet valley]

Once I’m in my cadence while taking shots, the Helbore spits out damage

[grand perch]

but...thats what youre doing with MF

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f099eda-7be5-411a-9e3c-bc0d58293d7c/vet-meme @tall torrent behold shovel cope

[sand oracle]

Marksman's focus feels bad in havoc 40 where you HAVE to stay mobile

[quiet valley]

Helbore I go Keystoneless, most other things I run Focus Target

[grand perch]

oh thats what you meant

in other news i have a drinking game for when youre assembling a havoc group from randoms

inspect every veteran that applies to havoc 40 and drink a shot if he uses
1)chainsword
or
2)longshot

[quiet valley]

Take a shot for every Book, Bubble or Dueling Sword in the lobby

[grand perch]

drunk before the first match i guarantee it

yeah but these things are good for havoc, im not blaming people for playing the meta

[golden bluff]

Well I just took it (helbore) into the psyk and was 1-tapping gunner so

This is not at all the weapon I wanted to love but couldn't

Guess I'll get the mastery up then

[quiet valley]

Just level with the Mk5

Follow up shots are generous with that mk

[golden bluff]

What do vets like to use for sweeping melee with these days, is it still power sword no brainer?

[lusty ether]

does the shovel count?

light attack flurry bonk

[golden bluff]

Oh right shovels got a bunch of love like... 10 months ago huh

TBH I haven't really caught up on the meta since about when the new talent system was put in

[hollow ibex]

power sword, rashad

[hollow ibex]

shovels kinda ass

[golden bluff]

Is stealth vet still a meme

[hollow ibex]

yeah

fun but just straight up worse than voc

though vet in general is kinda a meme now these days

[golden bluff]

Well at least loose cannon is still the best personality in the game

[midnight totem]

I love stealth vet 😦

But yeah, voc is straight better in almost every way

[hollow ibex]

yeah stealth vet's my most played at this point prob

[golden bluff]

Yellow toughness is just kind of op in general i guess

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

[surreal mountain]

Forgot to ask, what blessings should I be putting on the Plasma Gun

[tame lodge]

Rising Heat
Gets Hot

[surreal mountain]

Bet ty

[steep flower]

Ladies & Gentlemen; True Survivor is still possible in Havoc 2.0 but lets play a game; What Range weapon The Vet (Me) used?

Btw everyone did splendidly it was super fun @obsidian acorn @limber pawn @sudden cedar

[quiet valley]

No ammo pickups on board so no freebie to see if Shocktrooper

What did you run

[severe jolt]

Recon Lasgun?

[broken reef]

hellbore melee only

[quiet valley]

Nvm I see the Ammo pickups 💀

[warm schooner]

Bolter

[faint beacon]

Bolter or Plasma

Actual ammo vacuums

[warm schooner]

Actual ammo vacuum capsules

[undone jungle]

I hope Vet gets reworked soon. I try playing my lvl 200 vet sometimes and get genuinely irritated at how ass it feels. You're just forced into VoC and the same 4 melees. Genuinely so depressing..

Not to mention the dogwater talent tree that is spread super thin

[steep flower]

@quiet valley @severe jolt @broken reef @warm schooner @faint beacon Accatran Mk IX Combat Shotgun aka the Fire Shotgun :3

[warm schooner]

Interesting

[broken reef]

how does one put through that many rounds through a shotgun

[steep flower]

Tactical Reload Supremacy

[broken reef]

fuuuuuuuuuuuck right that works for shotguns doesnt it

wait, does that help with loading the slugs in?

[quiet valley]

with enough ammo I guess anything is possible

[warm schooner]

Show build

[severe jolt]

Wyh the fuck you @ me

[steep flower]

Yes; even the special slug

cause its a reload

you lose 1 shell & load another; the special one

[steep flower]

will do gimme a sec

[broken reef]

this makes my nipples rise ever so slightly, while leveling up zealot i was pissed that the shotguns didnt swap the ammo being loaded but instead just loaded a single slug in one at a time

[steep flower]

cause i'm cooking

[broken reef]

i am slightly hoping that when the arbites come round they rework the shotgun special so we can load the entire tube with slugs instead of using it as a bolt action

[steep flower]

would be worse

[broken reef]

i mean like

its empty? press special 6 times or whatever to load in 6 slugs back to back

[steep flower]

in that sense then ye

[broken reef]

you still gotta make the conscious decision to load a slug but instead of having to load in each one in the heat of combat its preloaded to blow the head of the dozen snipers 6 yards away

[severe jolt]

Shotguns are kinda bad right now but I want the Arbites update to make them good.

[steep flower]

The victory & scoreboard don't lie tho ;3

its not the weapon; its how you use it & what build you have

[robust granite]

Would anyone happen to have a good Stance build?

[elder fiber]

They're gonna get dlc powercreeped by arby's sg