veteran-class

[midnight dune]

i see alot of people praising it for beeing one of the best melees in the game, but i dont see it. But i am missing alot on the weapon

[narrow frost]

Knife has potential to 1-2 shot every enemies in the game outside bosses and has the fastest mobility in the game

Combine them and you get a broken weapon

[tame lodge]

It's mobility + Single Target damage potential

[midnight dune]

That sounds very appealing

and single target combo is heavy spam?

[narrow frost]

Depends on mk

[tame lodge]

Or push attack spam

[midnight dune]

mk6

[narrow frost]

Mk3 heavy push attack

Mk6 push attack

[midnight dune]

kinda forgot about that push attack

its good for single target?

[tame lodge]

Yes, very fast, decent damage

At the cost of stamina

[midnight dune]

Okay, i just gotta figure out the horde clearing combo for it

[tame lodge]

But if you have the points to get the two reduced stamina delay nodes you can just spam PA infinitely

[neon current]

PA special light

[narrow frost]

Guh?

[gilded wraith]

Best weapons that have a high swing speed multitarget light attack?

[glad temple]

Catachan sword was good iirc
Also tactical axe

The heavy sword might be too

[tame lodge]

Heavy sword

[midnight dune]

whats the dump stat on combat knife?

[tame lodge]

Chainsword

Don't go taxe

[gilded wraith]

Thinking shovel mk1, ps mk6, thanks!

[glad temple]

I wanted one for a while

[crisp oak]

Shovels are st lights

[tame lodge]

Not enough cleave for multi targets

[crisp oak]

Multi target heavies

[midnight dune]

is it mobility?

[tame lodge]

Although Brutal Momentum kinda ignores that

[tame lodge]

Yes mobility

[hollow ibex]

All the dump stats are in the guide in the pins btw

[midnight dune]

gotta say the animations on the combat knife is very sexy

[midnight dune]

Thanks

[quaint marsh]

Wish every class had a guide of this caliber

[uncut pebble]

[astral ibex]

do blessings and perks stack?

[hollow ibex]

They do different things usually but yes

[trim badger]

I mean yeah if you have 25% more dmg against flak and a blessing that adds idk 5% strength on kill, you're gonna have the two things at once

[faint beacon]

Veteran steam guide 2026

Trust it’ll eventually come out as long as Path isn’t given more reasons to delay it

[astral ibex]

so i can have 3 curios with all perks with 5% health/toughness/toughness regen and there would be no problem? cuz i understood perks don't stack

[trim badger]

They would stack in an additive way yes

If you have 3 17% toughness with 5% extra toughness on each

You would get uhhh 66% more toughness from your current toughness I think

[hollow ibex]

Though resistances don’t stack additively

[trim badger]

Yeah resistances are different

1 20% dmg resistance to something will give 20%

2 20% dmg resistance will give around 36%

3 will give around 48-49%

[raven sedge]

What blessings should I prioritise on my weapons? Just started yesterday, used shovel, knife and autogun so far.

[hollow ibex]

There’s a guide in the pins with everything

But until you hit 30 nothing matters

Just experiment and have fun

[tame lodge]

If it has
Uncanny Strike
Skullcrusher
Brutal Momentum
Precognition
Riposte

Ranged Wise
Dumdum
Deathspitter

Surgical (although surgical can always be replaced)

Blaze Away

Then you have shotguns and bolter type weapons

That vary from build to build

[narrow frost]

What's the build for a loving relationship

Nevermind the guide has it

I got it

Uncanny and lacerate

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-ahh-dog-gif-4024709941344493127

[tame lodge]

Shred is somewhere in there as well

[glad temple]

You guys use recon lasgun?

[orchid hemlock]

Recon Lasgun uses me 😈

[crisp oak]

Actually its mercy killer uncanny

[glad temple]

I see
Been using braced autogun and chainsword and I kinda don't like it

[orchid hemlock]

Dam no wonder you have having a bad time 😞

[glad temple]

I mean I keep getting swarmed

[orchid hemlock]

Double wave clear weapons

[glad temple]

Also we had 2 pox bursters at a time and my teammates didn't notice either of them

[orchid hemlock]

What happens when one mauler walks up on you?

[glad temple]

I rev my chainsword and heavy in the head

[orchid hemlock]

And if there are 2?

[glad temple]

I use Voice of command for knockback every time it recharges

[tame lodge]

But you'd need Serrated

💀

[red robin]

True

Love skullcrusher with this

[orchid hemlock]

Me when VOC is not up:

[glad temple]

Looked cool so I took it
Also my game crashed 2 times that match anyway

[red robin]

Monstrosities with the team wide 80% damage taken rebuff

[crisp oak]

No you dont have it, just like a loving relationship

[red robin]

Little bit of projection coming out there

[orchid hemlock]

I love BAG

CS I found very hard to ever like

[red robin]

Things ok at home?

[crisp oak]

Nah I just thought it was a funny answer

[red robin]

Ok nvm

Not my business to read too hard on it

[crisp oak]

My issue with bag is I hate snipers

[red robin]

Artism moment

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I'd win 😈

[crisp oak]

Np

[red robin]

o7

[crisp oak]

I once sprayed a whole mag while running at one

He was supressed

Anyway not my vet wep of choice (love it as a thammer secondary though)

[orchid hemlock]

Bleed dump strat????? 🤯

[crisp oak]

Thammer doesnt spread bleed good and doesnt really crit sadly

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I meant CS

[crisp oak]

Ah

[glad temple]

"People wonder why you enjoy getting the most blood and murder in the game, and the best probable reason is you do that so you don't do all that murder outside the game one day, there are some real demons up there in your noggin that we wouldn't pull out with hours of working heavy machinery, so I just wanna say, thank you for not losing your shit and making it everyone else's problem."-wh40k "what your chapter says about you" video on Blood Angels

[crisp oak]

Chainsword bleed seems funny

[crisp oak]

Fuck the blood angels, whiny assed babies

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshark buff bleed so I can go back to my knife on Zealot

[glad temple]

Idk I just like blood and murder but wanna be loyalist

[sonic kayak]

Blood Angels represent

[crisp oak]

Mortifactors

[calm shard]

buff bleed so I can destroy the game with puncture+force greatsword

[crisp oak]

Blood angels but honest

[tame lodge]

It does
If your revved attack doesn't kill the target first

[glad temple]

Flesh tearers there are too

[orchid hemlock]

Punch bleed Zealot 😈

[crisp oak]

Mortifactors wear horse skull on head though, so is better

[glad temple]

Altho personally I was always a Raven Guard fan

[glad temple]

So what do I change here?

[orchid hemlock]

Triple wave clear 😈

[crisp oak]

Use an infantry auto, bolter, plasma, or revolver

[glad temple]

I been tired of precision guns, low ammo usually and aiming for the head for me is ummmmmmmm

[crisp oak]

Or recon las

[crisp oak]

Use recon las then, or infantry auto

[orchid hemlock]

Braced is fine, I just hate on CS because it's soo mediocre on Vet

[glad temple]

OK I WILL

[crisp oak]

Assuming you are in love with the chainsword

[orchid hemlock]

Probably one of the most overestimated weapons in the game

[glad temple]

I like it so far

[crisp oak]

I just prefer it on zealot

[glad temple]

So then do I use the lasgun on waves?

[crisp oak]

Over vet

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh all melees work on Zealot

[crisp oak]

You can use your chainsword on waves

[crisp oak]

I meant bauto

[orchid hemlock]

Because I just get free crits and 100% rending 😈

[orchid hemlock]

That's not really true because the moment there is a single armored unit, it stops wave clearing 💀

[tame lodge]

You use Chainsword on hordes
Since it's pretty good against Walkers and Groaners

[crisp oak]

Eh, said waves not mixed hordes

Just spam lights at mauler crotches

[orchid hemlock]

It's horrific in mixed hordes

Which is 99% of the game in hard difficulties

[crisp oak]

So its flak

(Mind you Im a mark 7 shovel enjoyer)

[orchid hemlock]

Hang on guys, let me just stand in place for 2 seconds to take away 1/4 of a Crusher's health 😈

[crisp oak]

Ceushers is in fact the wall for chainswords

And most weapons tbh

[orchid hemlock]

Who will win, the poster child of all of Warhammer

or

One chonky boy?

[crisp oak]

Chonky boy in carapace

Ez

My personal favorite melees: mk7 shovel, thammer, fgs, karsolas

For each class

[orchid hemlock]

Dam u missing out on the Birmingham simulator cleaver 😔

[crisp oak]

Havent played much since oggy weapon buff

And I like mining

[tame lodge]

Xiiig on their way to 2 rev a Crusher with + Carapace

[crisp oak]

The running animation makes me laugh

[glad temple]

I have that btw
I use shredder frags

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/honestreaction-gif-27666449

[glad temple]

[orchid hemlock]

Let's fucking go 😈

[crisp oak]

Optimal vet loadout: smokes, combat shotgun, mk1 shovel

[glad temple]

Smokes are good?
Thought they were a gimmick

[crisp oak]

Smokes saved my marriage

[orchid hemlock]

Where are u getting this info from?

Mr T

[tame lodge]

They are gimmicky
But yes very good

[crisp oak]

You first

[orchid hemlock]

Heh, already tried, couldn't do it 😏

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/not-you-seamus-gif-24731889

Where were we

Oh yeah

[narrow frost]

Smokes mentioned??

[tame lodge]

Smokes

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/IhrV7dDOmqo?si=gqQnXyiB8DUNTJuH

[loud belfry]

that's glorped up to just say outta nowhere but true

[narrow frost]

4 vets all smokes

Havoc 40

[crisp oak]

Yeah the optimal loadout

Combat shotgun

Smokes

Mk1 shovel

Exe stance

[narrow frost]

Yeah that's what I use

[crisp oak]

MF

[narrow frost]

But infantry las instead of shotgun

[tame lodge]

You just huff all the smokes to yourself (stand inside the smoke) and you're basically *immortal

(not actually immortal)

[crisp oak]

The combat shotgun is what completes the build though

[glad temple]

Please remember that weapons I use need to have a very low IQ floor

[sharp epoch]

sounds like a future ogryn main

[orchid hemlock]

Ah, DS is perfect for you then 😈

[crisp oak]

DS with agile

Spam lights and dodges

[tame lodge]

Throw smoke at your feet

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoke-grenade-gif-12354350061668714276

https://tenor.com/view/archer-kreiger-krieger-smoke-bomb-escape-convo-gif-26303298

[elder vessel]

I remember the olden days of veteran

When all one had to do was hit F and click heads

[sharp epoch]

counterfire vet would fold in this meta tbh, out of the old classes psyker would probably perform around the same

[glad temple]

Wait

So is recon lasgun good against armor or what?

Primer only says low recoil

[short basin]

Is it true that the dump stat of the bolt pistol is collateral?

[heavy rover]

It's pretty much fine for anything besides carapace imo

[formal ice]

Mobility

Though collateral could also work

Some people complain about it

[glad temple]

There are no words able to describe the pain I want to inflict on these f€%&ing maulers

[sharp epoch]

yes

[sharp epoch]

not without talents, some people take onslaught to have the abillity to kill crushers with it

[stark cove]

Come to ogryn, we have many low iq weapon

[glad temple]

I play ogryn ss much as I play veteran

[stark cove]

Good good

[glad temple]

But there's just not enough weapons

Plus I like soldiers

[wild hearth]

how can marksman focus ever be used in Damnation? there's too much of a horde to deal with

[glad temple]

Should I maybe switch frags for Kraks?

[tame lodge]

Exactly
There's a lot of targets for you to proc it

[stark cove]

Make a separate loadout with different talents and have both ready for whatever you feel like playing

[heavy rover]

Maulers only have carapace on their heads. Torsos are flak

[misty lance]

which melee weapons have agile perk?

[narrow frost]

Tactical axe, dueling sword iirc

[tame lodge]

Yeah only those two

You know

Weapons that don't need it

[misty lance]

i found this perk very fun but i dont really enjoy tactical axe

combat is better

[glad temple]

That means make another character?

[glad temple]

Damn it I always aimed for head
Thank you

[stark cove]

No it means make a second loadout on the character you’re talking about

[glad temple]

Aren't their legs unarmored too?

[stark cove]

You do know you can make multiple pre-made loadout right?

[glad temple]

Ah k didn't know you can do that

[stark cove]

Ahhh fair

[glad temple]

I understand what you mean
Didn't think this game had an option like that

[wild hearth]

im supposed to keep a distance + stay in coherency + keep horde stragglers off me + any other random bs that occurs

[glad temple]

[wild hearth]

nani

[stark cove]

Ye you can have up to 5 loadouts/character

[glad temple]

Based

[stark cove]

Different talents, weapons, cosmetics

[glad temple]

Okay coherence is main thing tho
Get them auras

[tame lodge]

Yes and with the Tunnel Vision modifier you can get stamina back for running and keeping your distance, dodging enemies to proc Reciprocity so you can crit often and use the finesse bonus even if you hit bodies

You can burst anything down with that combination

Except crushers because we don't recommend shooting carapace

[glad temple]

Ok how well would catachan sword work with the braced?

[tame lodge]

Unless your gun is good against carapace

[glad temple]

Or the recon lasgun?

[tame lodge]

The problem with the Dclaw is that it sucks against flak

But it's a safe melee so it'll pair pretty well with most things

Recon is pretty good against most things just don't shoot carapace

Without Onslaught talent that is

But Onslaught is such a drag to get

[stark cove]

Recon las is solid choice in my experience

[uncut pebble]

Terribly.

There's no anti armor option there.

And inb4 kraks, those don't count.

[tame lodge]

Just take kraks

[void dragon]

Recon with onslaught could work for DClaw?

[tame lodge]

If I'm right they are comfortable playing malice

So not a lot of crushers in there anyways

[glad temple]

Parry helps it out alot I figured

[glad temple]

Im playing difficulty 3 forgot what it's called

[tame lodge]

Yup

Malice

[glad temple]

Crushers and ogryns are rare but if they do appear there is like 2 or 3

From what I've seen

Or maybe I just have bad luck

[tame lodge]

Wait until you get pack of crushers with 8 of them at once

💀

[glad temple]

Give me my bomb vest

[tame lodge]

It's always a fun time

[void dragon]

The crusher conga has nothing on the bulwark

[glad temple]

I will do it my way For the Emperor

[tame lodge]

Maaaan
I hate elite melee patrol

[wild hearth]

even with all these crit modifiers, carapace is a no go?

[tame lodge]

Yes because recons don't have good finesse scaling

So you either burn your precious talent points for a talent that'll basically only help at shooting carapace

Or you bring a melee weapon good against carapace

[void dragon]

I cry onslaught is so hard to get considering how situational it can be (all while still spending ammo)

Even for better fire damage it's a big investment

[glad temple]

What does finesse have an impact on btw?

[tame lodge]

If it's the weapon stat

Attack speed, crit and weakspot damage

If it's buffs

Crit and Weakspot damage

[glad temple]

The stat on the weapon I meant

[tame lodge]

^

You can hover over the stat to see what it affects

Not that all of them will be accurate

But it's accurate just enough

[warm idol]

combined with the funny toughness dmg reduction

just facetank groups of shooters and regen all toughness

camo was also a very funny talent

stand in place and enemies just ignore you

I remember running camo and just killing everything while enemies were running past me trying to get my teammates and were just pinned from 2 different directions

the militarum spitroast

[sharp epoch]

yeah but the threats have mainly moved to melee threats at least for havoc and pulling out melee to deal with a crusher or even to push a poxburster canceled exe stance back then so it'd be pretty weak this iteration

[sharp cave]

he doesnt care

actually he hates you

and thinks your fucking stupid

[glad temple]

Nah I just said it to be cool

[sharp cave]

i mean we are

[glad temple]

Fuck him

Reminds me too much of my mother

[sharp cave]

YOU KNOW WHO EL-

[glad temple]

MY MOM

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-muscle-man-cartoon-gif-26071500

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

Is that your way?

[sharp cave]

https://tenor.com/view/takbir-allahu-akbar-cat-exploding-meme-gif-7173163452444797161

[glad temple]

Yes

[glad temple]

What game is this from

[formal ice]

Dead Space by what it seems

[calm shard]

Dead Space 3

[glad temple]

There are still normal humans in dead space?

[calm shard]

In three because it's bad yeah

[pliant prawn]

[thick bear]

Time to become Crouching Cadian Hidden Crab

[hollow ibex]

Farm with Rashad

[pliant prawn]

not a bad idea

it doesn't specify ranged kills only

[elder fiber]

You can get it with nade kills

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-thats-the-spirit-brooklyn99-b99-gif-23589769

[hollow ibex]

That’s the spirit

Do or die

Idk why that line was always so funny

[umbral scaffold]

is marksmans focus good?

[hollow ibex]

No lol

Worst vet keystone by far

[umbral scaffold]

are ANY of the keystones even good? i see like 20 people in those types of discussions going "just dont"

[tame lodge]

Middle one is a safe pick

Right one goes hard af on some weapons

[hollow ibex]

FT is your good generic bonus damage option. WS is very good and fun but best with certain weapons

[umbral scaffold]

anyways since im in the vet channel uhh how do i play vet the most effectively? i kinda feel like i'm underperforming most of the time for whatever reason

[hollow ibex]

The most important thing is that you should be using your melee a lot

[tame lodge]

You play as a melee/ranged hybrid

[hollow ibex]

A lot of beginners use gun for everything

And that will absolutely gimp your performance

[umbral scaffold]

i use my knife most of the time

[tame lodge]

Also grenade spam

[hollow ibex]

Outside of very specific specialized builds

[hollow ibex]

Hmm prob easiest if you just post your build

[umbral scaffold]

im more so concerned on how i deal with bosses? (the captains and monstrosites) i feel like im hitting them with a wet noodle and nerf darts

[broken reef]

it it better to use a low capacity magazine weapon for weapon specialist always prepared like a bolter since its a bullet guaranteed or plasma rifle with a massive mag size?

[umbral scaffold]

cant post images

[hollow ibex]

Anything with a big boom and fast draw time will work

[broken reef]

aight, pocket bolter it is

[hollow ibex]

Small magsize means you should take always prepared

[hollow ibex]

If you’re using knife, bleed works

Or take a gun that’s good against bosses

[umbral scaffold]

what guns are good against bosses

[hollow ibex]

Or spam push attack with knife

[hollow ibex]

Bolter is the best example

[umbral scaffold]

push attack?

the punch?

[hollow ibex]

That’s the special

[umbral scaffold]

oh the shove

[hollow ibex]

Push attack is pushing but holding down lmb a bit longer

[umbral scaffold]

heavy attack?

[hollow ibex]

So instead of pushing, you use push attack

[hollow ibex]

That’s different too

Push attack are the same key combinations as pushing

But you hold down the attack button a bit longer

[broken reef]

its like a push counter

you smack them away and stab them at the same time

i also had something else to ask, whats the parry limit for devils claw

[scenic bear]

One of the marks is a stab and one of the marks is a slash

[scenic bear]

You stamina bar

[broken reef]

like, whats the heaviest thing i can parry with devils claw

[hollow ibex]

Depends on stamina and perfect parry

[scenic bear]

If you load up on stamina I think you can non perfect parry a mauler overhead

[umbral scaffold]

i usually use some variation of this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f07dbbe-faa2-4dd1-a468-467ca13668e6/blah
my nodes get mixed around a lot

[broken reef]

so, if i stamina curio up the wazoo and time it perfectly i can parry a crusher?

[scenic bear]

You don’t need the stamina to perfect parry the crusher

Perfect parry stamina reduction is a lot

[umbral scaffold]

follow up question: is stealth and the executionor stance good on vet or jsut use yell?

[hollow ibex]

Shout is the strongest, the others are just fine

[hollow ibex]

Please don’t dump damage

Check pins for the Hammer of the Emperor guide

On how to build your knife

[umbral scaffold]

got it

thanks

[tame lodge]

Every type of melee attack

[pliant prawn]

i didnt know some vets dont bother with keystones but im doing em for penances

kinda says something if some people dont bother with em entirely lol

for the sake of being optimal i mean

[hollow ibex]

It’s mostly only for recon las builds

[umbral scaffold]

i think this is the hardest i've ever studied for something

[hollow ibex]

lol there’s a lot the game doesn’t tell you

[calm shard]

No not at all

It's like usable on a handful of weapons but still mid

[serene bough]

fun fact, krak grenades destroy the skull totems without summoning the chaos spawn

[umbral scaffold]

still cant figure out whats the best ranged weapon for veteran everyones got a different opinion and i cant figure it out either

[inland orchid]

Depends on what u want dead imo

[umbral scaffold]

whats the best for each task than?

[tacit sonnet]

whichever task your melee can't do

[inland orchid]

^

[umbral scaffold]

ah

i use the knife what pairs well with the mk3?

or mk6

i use both randomly

[tacit sonnet]

Choose one weapon you like, choose another one that you like and that works well with your first weapon

done

I like double barrel with knife

More like I don't use knife unless I also use double barrel

I never used them separately

[inland orchid]

aye that combos decent, close distance with knife’s mobility

[serene bough]

short answer is plasma

[inland orchid]

Blow their head wide open

[tacit sonnet]

right, that too

[serene bough]

long answer is: you want your ranged to compliment your melee, and the best mmelee deal with armor, plasma deals with high priority threats like bombers and trappers easily bc penetration is really important with the high mob density in havoc

[tacit sonnet]

So answer 1 is whatever we just said above
2. plasma

[broken reef]

can hellbore melee hit multiple enemies or is it specifically 1 hit only?

i cant quite figure it out in combat but spamming it shredded a small horde

[inland orchid]

As far as I remember it’ll pierce a singular lad if they die to the shot

Oh wait just reread, got no clue since I haven’t used helbore since the mastery update

[broken reef]

whats the dump stat on it

[tame lodge]

Stabbys have 3 cleave
Slash has 6.5 cleave

So yeah it can it multiple enemies

[broken reef]

is mk5 stabby and mk4 slashy?

[tame lodge]

Just doesn't have the best damage distribution ever

[tame lodge]

3 and 5 are stabby

And the dump is stability

[broken reef]

great got a good one from brunt then

i did all other 3 reject to level 30

veterans the only one left

after being powered by the warp, rashuns n faith its come the turn to fight with the guy with a gun and training

[pastel loom]

I saw this thing about a new veteran hellbore sniper build but the gun seems so bad

Anyone else seen this?

[hollow ibex]

the gun is good, but just hard to play and annoying to use

[uncut pebble]

"New?"

[pastel loom]

Like 2 weeks

[uncut pebble]

Helbore has been in the game forever, wdym "new?"

[pastel loom]

Like a “meta” build

Idk

[frank basin]

the helbore meta build?

is new???

[uncut pebble]

First, it ain't meta by any means.

Helbore is a very annoying weapon to use solely because of the draw time, but it can absolutely dish out some stupid damage numbers.

I.e. 2shot crushers.

???

[frank basin]

what was that?

[pliant prawn]

must've been the wind

[uncut pebble]

Whoever you were that just deleted your question about shred, you don't lose shred unless you miss an attack.

[hollow ibex]

who is this "meta" build from?

[uncut pebble]

Anywho helbore is not great but its not terrible either.

[manic cloak]

I pray its a Games Lantern "Havoc 40 Ready Hellbore Vet" link.

[hollow ibex]

did tanner make any helbore videos recently perchance

[manic cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/granda-joe-leefreshprince-derry-girls-woman-gif-22966860

[uncut pebble]

Anything you really want to shoot with helbore is either
A) too close to shoot, so you'd want to use melee instead
B) not worth shooting at (bosses, mainly)
C) dead before you get it fully drawn

[pastel loom]

https://youtu.be/TVewqAlskuw?si=yezHbzBNRfxQuzzv

Super small tidbit in veteran section about

It

[hollow ibex]

oh reginald

[pastel loom]

But I was just experimenting with the hellbore and it just seems so bad to me

Idk

[hollow ibex]

it takes a lot of practice

the main benefit is that you get a gun with unlimited ammo, that hits hard

and has a bayonet

yet somehow fatshart somehow made the gun so fucking annoying to use

that it's not really that strong of a weapon despite all that

[uncut pebble]

People that argue that it needs a safety dont understand how easy a safety is to turn off.

[manic cloak]

He pushes the DS4 + Plasma build as well. This is in context of a "meta team comp". Hellbore is viable for Havoc 40 if another player is mostly taking the ammo.

[uncut pebble]

And that both laspistol and ilas both have the same fucking safety feature and you don't have to take them off safe to use them.

[hollow ibex]

no no you don't understand, i gotta flick the safety off in slow motion while 3 ragers are ganking my ass

[manic cloak]

I would say laspistol is far better for Havoc 40 ammo efficiency unless you need the carapace damage.

[tacit sonnet]

worst part about it is it's swap speed

[pastel loom]

Yeah that was the main part I just don’t like plasma gun tbh

[tacit sonnet]

It takes YEARS to swap to from melee

[hollow ibex]

just use bayonet bro..... oh wait

[manic cloak]

I'm so glad of all the weapon balancing options, for some reason Fatshark took the effort to nerf the bayonet stab.

[uncut pebble]

It wouldn't be much of an issue if they would just remove the safety feature part of the draw animation.

[manic cloak]

That change was really crucial to make my Darktide experience more immersive and balanced.

[manic cloak]

Bolter has the same issue where everytime you draw it, the player racks the bolt back. Makes no sense at all.

[uncut pebble]

Isn't boltgun open bolt though?

That doesn't make much sense...

I just looked on google rq to see the inspect anim and it's open bolt there but you push the bolt forward when you draw it???

[manic cloak]

Yep.

[uncut pebble]

Fatshark, fix your gun.

Is it open bolt or not?

[manic cloak]

Unknowable, really.

[tame lodge]

Aura Farming those Ragers

[frank basin]

"RAGERS ON ME!!!" "hold up let me turn safety off on this helbore"

[hollow ibex]

i guess the better analogy would be a trapper about to net you, so you take out your gun to shoot it

but gotta do it in fucking slow motion

[frank basin]

same as healing medkit in middle horde fight

[sharp epoch]

its really only viable with a meta team though, you need every sort of peel you can like bubble taunt and book

[broken reef]

jesus, the mk4 bayonet sucks

why does he wind up so hard for that

literally smacks them with the bayonet the hell

[hollow ibex]

and can only kill one poxxer per swing

[broken reef]

no really, why does it look like my arm just locks up

[hollow ibex]

looks right

[broken reef]

that shit felt so awful i legit thought this was a bug

[orchid hemlock]

Hey it destroys shields

[broken reef]

it does what now?

[orchid hemlock]

Captain shields

[broken reef]

is like

a chain weapon hit where it repeatedly deals damage

[orchid hemlock]

Yes it rips thru shields for some reason

[broken reef]

i was expecting it to swing side to side like a halbert but ill take malformed chain axe at the tip of my gun

[hollow ibex]

eh not really

it does like 900 damage per hit

and isn't particularly fast

[broken reef]

mk5 deals like, 500 rapidly no?

that thing was my makeshift dueling sword until i could use the dueling sword

[orchid hemlock]

I do think Hellbore is slept on Havoc, because hotshot is unironically goated

[hollow ibex]

is it tho

i can't think of a weapon that makes actually good use of hotshot

[broken reef]

whats hotshot

[orchid hemlock]

I think path told me that it is the only range attack that can effectively cleave thru enemies in Havoc

[hollow ibex]

yeah but then that requires you to use one of the shitty helbores

or drop weight of fire

[hollow ibex]

helbore blessing that greatly reduces enemy hitmass on weakspot hit

[orchid hemlock]

And in havoc where u have these insane numbers of hordes blocking your shots, u can snipe the specialists

[hollow ibex]

idk if that's worth but helbore wouldn't be something i'd take into havoc anyway

[orchid hemlock]

Unlimited ammo is very tempting tho 🤔

[hollow ibex]

true

[heavy rover]

I mean with the infantry las i get pretty close to infinite ammo

[orchid hemlock]

And tbh it's not bad either if you take the MK V and spam specials on shields

[heavy rover]

Also with deadshot

[orchid hemlock]

IAG is also slept on, but it's because of ghost

[broken reef]

does mk4 and mk5 use the exact same mount of ammo per full charge shot and the tradeoff for its charge damage is the dogshit special windup time?

[hollow ibex]

idk but mk iv is the good one

though with the shit bayo

[heavy rover]

Ghost is such a game changer

I was converted from a skeptic to a hardcore believer

[orchid hemlock]

But u might as well take the laspistol at that point if you want to use ghost

[hollow ibex]

take vigilant insteand

[broken reef]

i still feel like a dumbass cause since i left veteran for last i only now learned vet just gets infinite nades on a cooldown

i was internally going off on vets for tossing a krak grenade in the mouth of like, 2 poxwalkers every time

[orchid hemlock]

Best way to use krak 😈

The funniest shit I've seen with krak is someone throwing it at a charging mutant and it bouncing off

[broken reef]

god, i was legit getting angry whenever a vet would just chuck a nade whenever at a small horde

[hollow ibex]

Mfer thought he was playing ogryn

[orchid hemlock]

Here is a fun fact about krak

U can use it for cc

If you use the right click throw onto the ground, it actually has a small radius

U can use it to pick people back up 💀

[broken reef]

what do you mean if you use the right click?

you can not use the right click?

[orchid hemlock]

No what I mean is that all grenade have 2 throws, the left click and right click

[broken reef]

fuck

[orchid hemlock]

Left click is an overhand, right click is an underhand

[broken reef]

right click aims the nade no?

[inland orchid]

they both have aim when held

[broken reef]

its a overhand full chucking stance

[broken reef]

[orchid hemlock]

They both aim, it's just that they have different arcs

Overhand is sharp upper curve, the underhand is much more shallow

[broken reef]

so, my dumbass holding right and then throwing with left click was overthinking it?

[inland orchid]

cool thing i learned from meat grindering alot of kraks is that it doesnt lead into carapace armor when u underhand it

still sticks just no magnetic properties midair

[broken reef]

on a side note just to confirm, vet doesnt have any ability regen/regen speed talents right?

incase i missed while skimming the tree

[inland orchid]

Confirmed kill is one i can remember, i think its when u merk specialists and elites

wrong name confirmed kills the toughness one

[orchid hemlock]

It has tactical awareness

[inland orchid]

aye thats the one

should be way above focus target talent tree wise

[tame lodge]

Mk4 uses 9 ammo on charged shots

[broken reef]

and mk5?

[tame lodge]

Mk5 uses 4 on charged shots

Mk3 uses 6

However, they all use the same amount on uncharged shots iirc

[broken reef]

which is just 1 ammo?

if so, using uncharged shots on mk5 is technically more ammo efficient?

[green willow]

braced autogun build?

[formal ice]

Yeah I think this is good

Though the stats are horrible

You need to dump mobility

[green willow]

why does bracing take so long dude

[formal ice]

Well it doesn't feel like that to me

Maybe its because its the only build I have on my Veteran

[green willow]

based

but i wish It had run and gun like the shredder

[iron marten]

Could never wrap my head around braced auto builds

I salute you

[orchid hemlock]

Heh I thought u would never ask 😏

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0a3f5e-1fd1-4eb4-85ac-996f01651ac7/brace-for-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[green willow]

not vraks?

blue vraks?

[warm flower]

do the explosions from lethal proximity induce bleed?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[warm flower]

😔

[orchid hemlock]

U can take whatever u want it will still work

I just like Agri because it has the best cleave

Tbh tho, cleave is useless in havoc

[umbral scaffold]

whats the best combat shotgun

like mark

i got one as an emperor gift for beating a mission and its nearly maxxed out so i might as well try it

[hollow ibex]

they're all shit but agri's the least shit

[orchid hemlock]

That's funny

"best"

The best shotgun is the double barrel

[amber ether]

agri or kantrael (accatran)

[orchid hemlock]

Actually now that I think about it, does manslaughter on DB work on havocs? 🤔

[faint beacon]

Yes?

its like the off-meta for high havoc vet

[orchid hemlock]

Cleave is reduced in havocs because of the higher mass proxies have

[lyric bluff]

Kinda struggling with Long Bomb, would anyone possibly be able to help or give some pointers? I just need that and On Overwatch but I can manage that one

[orchid hemlock]

Do Consignment Yard HL-17-36

[lyric bluff]

Sounds good, I appreciate it

[faint beacon]

yes, but manstopper is infinite

so it simply does not care it goes through

though tbf dont expect it to kill anything beyond sneezing distance

[orchid hemlock]

fuck I can't kickback a sniper 😔

[pallid jetty]

why? his back is quite kickable...

[dry cloak]

Kickback with manstopper xddddd

[static warren]

I feel like my recon lasgun doesn't do that much damage, especially to bosses and hordes, can som eof you guys share a good build, or ANY veteran build that's good, please @ me

[abstract sand]

mine

(some people prefer headhunter instead of dumdum but i like dumdum)

make sure to pick up Shock Trooper for best ammo economy with this thing

[static warren]

ok

thx broski

[keen flare]

what stats are most ideal for the revolver

as well as the duelling sword

[austere mica]

Dump mobility

Also, ewww

[lyric bluff]

best gun to use for on overwatch? was gonna sit back and snipe w a helbore but open to suggestions

[austere mica]

Or that

[iron marten]

Plasma

[austere mica]

That works too

But mk2 is better anyway

[keen flare]

Sorry, I meant which stat is the most sought after

[abstract sand]

i like this myself

[keen flare]

Like is it damage or penetration

[austere mica]

Why would that matter

[abstract sand]

dump stat should be cleave

because you're going to be poking foreheads anyways

[keen flare]

Neato thanks

[austere mica]

Unless you want to find a funny roll

[abstract sand]

everything else should be 80%

cleave can be 60

[lyric bluff]

i'll give that a try

[keen flare]

How do u get that

😢

[abstract sand]

gambling in brunt's armory

i just keep buying profane weapons until i get a nice stat allocation

[abstract sand]

ur gonna need a new sword

[amber ether]

rip

[abstract sand]

yeah rip

[austere mica]

I just buy well rolled bases from the select armory

[iron marten]

Sorry for the vague answer, but plasma + voc + tac awareness and steal every specialist kill to keep yourself topped up on gold toughness

[abstract sand]

just gamble at the armory for a 80/80/80/80/60

[austere mica]

I’ve got 10 plus unupgraded bases for every character

[amber ether]

melks shop?

[lyric bluff]

sounds good, i appreciate it

[abstract sand]

I completed it with my recon lasgun

[iron marten]

You only take melee damage at less than 100% toughness, and gold toughness makes it >100%

[abstract sand]

I took 1 health damage but it still counted it

lol

[keen flare]

Is this better

[lyric bluff]

i'll keep that in mind too

[amber ether]

which one is on overwatch

the no damage one?

[abstract sand]

yes

[iron marten]

no melee damage yeah

[lyric bluff]

yeah as long as it's not melee damage you're fine, the incapacitations of trapper, hound, and mutie i think don't count against you either though

no melee damage on malice or higher

if i do that i get the 2 vet helmets

[abstract sand]

i took one health point of melee damage and it still counted it which was weird

so i think there may be a slight grace to it

idk

[lyric bluff]

strange, i'm hoping i just get lucky and get it this first attempt lol

if anyone wants to join feel free to lmk i'm gonna be on for a bit still

gonna swap classes after i get this

[abstract sand]

@keen flare @static warren https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f023aed-8fd5-4a0d-a8e1-27b6dec5c76a/cadia-stands-recon-lasgun-build

this is my build

in case you want to look

it has served me well

[static warren]

may the emperor protect you brother

[austere mica]

The curios suck but this is somehow ok

A decent Gameslantern build is rare

[abstract sand]

they absolutely do not suck

[narrow frost]

oh my

those curio perks are bad

base stats are fine

[austere mica]

Half your perks are wasted

[abstract sand]

i'd love to know how because i have seen every other person using a very similar setup

[austere mica]

3x cdr, 2x sprint eff, 1x block eff

2/3 not 1/2

[austere mica]

3.6 seconds

[narrow frost]

The very problem with this sentence, is that most darktide players dont understand the game and dont run the best things (not like you need to)

[abstract sand]

what would you change then

[narrow frost]

just because I see people always take +1 wound doesnt mean its good

3 +toughness

2 gunner res (3 if you want)

[abstract sand]

could swap the efficiencies out for more toughness; i tried that and it was meh

[narrow frost]

1 other res if you take only 2 gunner

then last is a mix of sprint eff and stam regen

[austere mica]

Oh and probably drop the Stam curio

DS has a pretty bad PA

[lyric bluff]

game crashed again

smh

[abstract sand]

what has a what now

[lyric bluff]

real

[austere mica]

Dueling sword has a bad push attack

[abstract sand]

oh

lol

yeah

that it does

[austere mica]

Run something with a good push attack

Like Tactical Axe

[abstract sand]

I think you might be right on this one. I'm gonna keep the stamina curio for now and replace it if I somehow get a 17% one.

[grand perch]

❤️

[abstract sand]

i will however now swap the block efficiency for stamina efficiency

[iron marten]

Or mk6 knife

[abstract sand]

i've been trying to use the knife and honestly i'm not feeling it

[austere mica]

Nuh uh

[abstract sand]

maybe it's the fact i don't have it maxxed out yet

[iron marten]

Yuh uh

It's the only one with cleave!!!!!

[austere mica]

“Cleave”

[abstract sand]

i can't tell whether the mk3 or mk6 is better

i've been using the mk3 and i think i prefer that

tbh

[iron marten]

uhhh mk3 is better for st if you're doing backstab memes with zealot

[austere mica]

6.5 cleave with abysmal falloff

[iron marten]

Mk6 has more options but kind of weird moveset to learn

[iron marten]

yep

[iron marten]

No uncanny, based

[austere mica]

Don’t run a crit perk

Take flak damage

[abstract sand]

Oh I was

i just swapped it to that for testing it

lol

[abstract sand]

it sure doesnt help that im seeing arguments on

"NO FLESH TEARER IS GOOD"

"NO BLEED IS BAD USE PRECOG"

etc etc

[abstract sand]

(i really do not think bleed is worth it)

[austere mica]

Bleed only works with uncanny

[narrow frost]

congrats

you passed the test

[abstract sand]

i could see that

[austere mica]

But actually works quite well if you can balance lacerate application with uncanny upkeep

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-party-yippee-celebrate-gif-8019959990907527861

[narrow frost]

hi coal

[abstract sand]

HUH

What test

[narrow frost]

you said bleed is not good

[abstract sand]

oh

[narrow frost]

you are smarter then 90% of the playerbase

[abstract sand]

is there a bleed circlejerk or something

lol

[abstract sand]

i could see some niche uses of it but tbh i'd rather just use something else

[austere mica]

Bleed used to be really good

It isn’t anymore

[abstract sand]

i played the game at launch then dropped it for a long time and came back last week

[slow sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1170562166663942225/bloodknife.gif?ex=65597df8&is=654708f8&hm=f063ec5615520649e158afdf8e64060cedac51ac99fc21a6efaa43e86efac504&

[abstract sand]

foul

[iron marten]

Tarnished. In search of the Elden Ring...

[abstract sand]

My logic on that was that I felt like I was constantly running out of stamina

But maybe I am just tripping

[austere mica]

A Stam delay node will help more

[slow sky]

i personally still use stam on vet even with ds

but yes i also take a stam delay node

and stam regen

like the little goblin i am

[austere mica]

3x Stam regen in every character

My ass is fit

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/marines-when-gif-21301651

my veteran

[austere mica]

Loose cannon

[iron marten]

I use 3x stam for helbore deadshot and knife memes

[orchid hemlock]

Cadia isn't just a place 😔

[iron marten]

I love dying in 4 hits

[slow sky]

time to see if someone thinks im a freak for running taxker in the event (ive not finished it)

[austere mica]

It’s several places in a smear

[abstract sand]

do you really need more than 20% gunner res?

[slow sky]

WHAT A SURPRISE

[abstract sand]

i'm sure it will be fine

[austere mica]

I run 3x

[austere mica]

Leave

1 is a fun challenge

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[austere mica]

2 is fucking annoying

[abstract sand]

what's wrong with duelling sword

[iron marten]

Hahaha

[abstract sand]

or is it the plasma/ds combo

[austere mica]

Boring ass eepy overpowered weapon

Needs kneecapping badly

[abstract sand]

yeah i have more fun with the combat blade i won't lie

[slow sky]

both

[austere mica]

Praying on its downfall

[abstract sand]

i hit them with the london special

[austere mica]

Also plasma is a sleepy gun

[abstract sand]

(stabbed to death)

[austere mica]

Point and click adventure

[abstract sand]

i haven't got to play havoc at all yet and i am wondering how much of a jump it is from auric maelstrom

because i won't lie

[slow sky]

this is normal damn

[abstract sand]

having 8 poxbursters spawn in one room is not very fun gameplay

[slow sky]

one of the two has already downed

make that almost twice

[slow sky]

high havoc is indistinguishable

to auric damn

auric damn is baby mode

[abstract sand]

Really?

My issue is the poxburster and sniper spam

it's overwhelming and i can die almost instantly

if i make a wrong move

[iron marten]

One of them downed on normal damn?

[abstract sand]

also it feels like the quality of teammates drops significantly which i try to play auric maelstrom...

<- is never going to get auric storm survivor

[iron marten]

You'll get it dw

Just keep at it

I used to think I won't be able to complete Heresy :p

[abstract sand]

not when i get lept on by 8 poxbursters at once and die instantly because my team doesn't know how to shoot them 💔

[slow sky]

specialists are the least of your worries in havoc

[umbral scaffold]

^

Wait for the 4 bosses that spawn up with rituals

[slow sky]

i have woefully too little caffiene in my system to play taxker properly rn

[lyric bluff]

i took a short break but still kinda wanna go for on overwatch before i get off

[abstract sand]

somehow less worrying than what i already deal with

[lyric bluff]

also wanna be ogryn

perhaps my psyker

[austere mica]

Caffeine addicts terrify me

[keen flare]

Rule #1 of maelstrom, NEVER shoot poxbursters or mutants or ragers or hounds

they pose no threat

[lyric bluff]

what if there's 8 poxbursters in a single file line

[abstract sand]

"they pose no threat"

[abstract sand]

THIS

[lyric bluff]

i saw this more than once in a single maelstrom

[abstract sand]

that is the vast majority of my problems in maelstrom LOL

[keen flare]

When I play I never shoot poxbursters or mutants, poxbursters will kill themselves why waste ammo!

[austere mica]

FotF dodge them

[lyric bluff]

because i like to kill shit myself

[austere mica]

Shrimple

[abstract sand]

what is fotf

[crimson pebble]

the side effects of too much club taunt ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

It is 100x worse this isn’t including the multi horde waves mixed in with elites and specials

[austere mica]

Zealot charge

[abstract sand]

oh

i dont play zealot :)

[slow sky]

no its just 1 am

[lyric bluff]

i still gotta do that zealot charge penance w a mutie

and the stun grenade sniper

[umbral scaffold]

It’s impossible(me having a skill issue with it)

[lyric bluff]

just haven't really played my zealot today

[lyric bluff]

i feel you

[keen flare]

We were so close to extration and everyone except the ogryn is dead

[abstract sand]

i dunno how to deal with the poxbursters on maelstrom, it spawns so many and by the time they show up i am surrounded by little guys and it is too late

it's the cause of 99% of my deaths lol

[lyric bluff]

i surprisingly have not died to as many bursters as i would've thought

usually ragers when i'm on my psyker

[abstract sand]

i die to bursters a disturbing amount

[lyric bluff]

i just get knocked back

i haven't played past heresy yet though

[abstract sand]

i dont think i have died to any other enemy type in the last dozen or so match other than those

[keen flare]

oh my god the ogryn resuced us all

wait this isn't gen

[lyric bluff]

i've still gotta do leveling and stuff so i've only done heresy as the highest difficulty but i need money so may go up one

i crave drip

[abstract sand]

what level

[lyric bluff]

23 vet, 20 zealot, 18 ogryn, 16 psyker

[abstract sand]

auric heresy gives you more cash and it barely feels like a difficulty increase

[lyric bluff]

i haven't done auric yet

[abstract sand]

i pretty much only play aurics and it has turned dockets into a nonissue for me

[lyric bluff]

i need dockets for the outfits, i suck at doing specific penances

[austere mica]

You clearly don’t compulsively collect weapons on every class at once

[abstract sand]

wait until you see the zealot penances

[lyric bluff]

i have

they are what i am most stuck on

the hat ones

[crimson pebble]

finally hit 6000 penance score earlier only like 6 left

[abstract sand]

make every shot count is surprisingly easy

[lyric bluff]

i agree

double barrel on train

[abstract sand]

i did it with a revolver

[lyric bluff]

could use revolver or bolter too, just whatever hits hard and low ammo

my problem w plasma gun is too much ammo

[lyric bluff]

i almost did

[abstract sand]

i accidentally left survivalist on when i tried it

[slow sky]

it used to be 100%

and survivalist was not optional

[abstract sand]

Oh I remember

I tried it back when it was 100% lol

[lyric bluff]

i didn't have the game then

got it a week ago and started playing a few days prior to that thru steam family

play a lot of space marine 2 though

[normal sparrow]

Alt f4
Shoot 1 ammo
Melee vet

[grand perch]

If anyone gives you shit for using taxe, I'm going over to their house for some stern words

[austere mica]

Stern words? Just taxe them a question

[dry cloak]

On 23th there will be dog tide

[iron marten]

4 arbites making conversation with each other on the 23rd

[austere mica]

I meet someone
I taxe them a question
The authorities cannot find enough evidence to make the charges stick
The case goes cold
I meet someone

[iron marten]

It will be glorious

[unreal nova]

Shhhh. Some ppl still play like that. It works, kay?

[normal sparrow]

At least its cheeseable
Zealot flesh wound was 10 mins, soyker warp explosion need 3 kills, now that was pain

[unreal nova]

10 mins on heresy twins is easy.

Decent team takes 6 mins including cutscenes.

Just delay to 9 to ensure wound timer.

[normal sparrow]

You expect those in year 1?
No twins, no train, physically impossible

[unreal nova]

Enclavum Baross/Archivum Sycorax, I guess.

I saw someone speedrun in like 9 mins once.

[normal sparrow]

Neither exist back then

[unreal nova]

I guess they didn't test their penances?

Cos I think there's just one more viable map, but going to guess came later.

[exotic rivet]

damn..beating "cover" is hard..

[austere mica]

Guh

[untold holly]

I haven’t played vet in a while, could someone Msg me and help me with their playstyle

[exotic rivet]

"aim must be good" - some imperium soldier

[untold holly]

Ofc, ofc I’m using plasma gun rn but idk if there’s anything better I can use

[stoic thorn]

EXE STANCE PLASMA DO IT

[sand oracle]

Real gigachads run close and kill stealth vet to be a less insane zealot.

[pallid jetty]

absolute beast ultra chads run autogun suppression build

[whole blade]

Hey I have been out of the loop for a while but does anyone have a good melee build that uses smoke grenades? And is infiltrate any good or is Voice Of Command the only good melee skill

for vet

I have not played since the vet rework so all my skills are deleted

[pseudo fiber]

Infiltrate is fine VoC is still overpowered

[whole blade]

I kinda wanna see the best infiltrate build I can do. I like the damage buff lasts for a bit of time as opposed to the single target damage of Zealot

Combined with Smoke grenades my overall gameplan would be to use smoke nades to protect against gunners in melee. or smoke entrenched gunners

and use infiltrate to close the gap

and use something like Bolt Pistol or double barrel shotgun to kill elites at close range

I know this is probably not meta but I play a lot of vet and I usually run lasgun or Hellbore

so im looking to mix it up

[grand perch]

the damage buff only lasts 5 seconds and you have much longer cooldown on vet stealth. not worth it

[whole blade]

fair enough. I will use VOC then. Any good melee vet builds that use VOC and smoke nades then?

[grand perch]

i didnt say stealth itself is bad, just its subnodes

the only good subnode is -90% threat which gives you a lot of room to act (and annoys your teammates)

[whole blade]

Oh the damage resist on it looks good

[grand perch]

if you really want 2 stacks of stealth isnt bad but usually not worth the point due to higher cd

the damage resist is pointless since you can just take -90% threat and not take damage at all for 10 seconds

[whole blade]

Yeah thanks for the tips

whats the best coherency buff for this build? is it still ammo?

[grand perch]

not really, just get the movement speed aura for least point tax reasons...and because its quite useful anyway

most smoke + stealth builds would continue on to WS, but depending on weapon, FT keystone works as well

[whole blade]

I was pl;anning on WS

Close Quiarter Killzone

damage buff for 10 seconds when leaving stealth

[grand perch]

with DB shotgun yeah go WS for sure

broken with the reload subnode

[pseudo fiber]

Could try something like this

Mmm zig zag

[whole blade]

I need cash to make a good shotgun but that is the plan

[grand perch]

nah id rather take the points for ammo aura and put them towards Bring it down

[pseudo fiber]

I agree with this by the way

[whole blade]

hold on lemme show you the build

[whole blade]

how did you zoom out to screenshot this

hows this look

[pseudo fiber]

It's gameslantern

Let's yoy make builds and stuff

[tall torrent]

I finished RT

my cassia romance was bugged

[whole blade]

yeah I just realised afgter I asked lol

[pseudo fiber]

I'd make some changes personally

[tall torrent]

I'd rate RT like, 72/100

some parts I liked a lot

[grand perch]

A fate worse than death

[tall torrent]

some are less good
some are abysmal

[whole blade]

sure any advice you can give

@grand perch hows my build look"?

[tall torrent]

I resolved her quest without killing elina or aaronto, then had harlequins peacefully depower atlas
I also picked AmourCourtois every time it was available

no true romance ending

[tall torrent]

is it because I made my DT dogmatic zealot? I don't get it

[pseudo fiber]

Exploit weakness is doing nothing.
Agile engagement rewards quickswapping more

[grand perch]

i dunno never played RT
im just saying failing in romance is a fate worse than death

[tall torrent]

also rumours in RT are insanely buggy

[grand perch]

pretty much this yeah

[pseudo fiber]

It's an owlcat game baby

[tall torrent]

I'm just bummed out that I did everything right just for the game to bug out and not give me the correct ending

I'll prob replay it after lex imperialis drops to get cassia true romance ending again

[whole blade]

you dont like Close Order Drill or Confirmed Kill?

And ignoring the reload speed on WS?

[grand perch]

i would do this, grab demo team for grenade regen, save a point that way and gain 15% elite damage

[pseudo fiber]

That's a good poibt

[pseudo fiber]

It has always prepared

[grand perch]

exactly, the reload speed node is utterly wasted

[whole blade]

your right i didnt realise

[pseudo fiber]

They're okay but more swap speed and out for blood is generally considered "better"

[whole blade]

I just really like confirmed kill but I guess its not needed

[pseudo fiber]

You can do the top 2 instead if you want

[whole blade]

I will try it out and if I dont like it I will swap

thanks for the advice. Like I said I have not played vet since the rework

[grand perch]

close order drill is fine. recip is just a huge +25% crit chance for playing the game and dodging like you would already

if vet had more free points id grab close order drill as well. but we dont. you could opt to skip the -90% threat node for close order drill if you dont want the freedom it provdes