veteran-class

[faint beacon]

what blessings

You only run Headtaker + Brutal Momentum

[tame lodge]

Perfect Strike + Bladed Momentum

[plain osprey]

I am interested. Any elaboration or shall i find out myself?

[neon estuary]

i just stick with a power sword for cleaving the crowd

[plain osprey]

Powersword and i fell out of love. Constantly activating the blade + the sluggish mouthfeel just dont do it for me.

[faint beacon]

Mk6 is L + H loop for Horde clear
Mk7 is Special + Heavy
Mk9 is Light + (Heavy Spam)

So you literally light once and just spam heavies

[umbral scaffold]

What's the best support Vet build?

[neon estuary]

also i'm being conflicted over a range weapon of choice for havoc missions... last time i use a revolver..... not fast enough to kill alot

[faint beacon]

Issue

Havoc

you get pigeon holed hardcore as veteran on havoc

which is usually Bolter/Plasma/Recon

[tame lodge]

Havoc and range on the same sentence lol

[faint beacon]

those are the holy trinity ranged for Veteran for Havoc

[neon estuary]

but not infantry autogun?

[faint beacon]

yeah dont bother

extremely low ammo economy

you basically wont have a gun in havoc if you do

Vigils are economic ammo wise

issue

they're bad

really bad in havoc

dont do enough damage

so toss them

basically you start seeing that issue a shit ton till it boils down to those 3

Laspistol is an honorable mention

[neon estuary]

so like to heck with guns and stick with melee?

[faint beacon]

Power Sword

[faint beacon]

Power sword with these three choices

[faint beacon]

but avoid using range more cause ammo econ is terrible in havoc

[neon estuary]

alright, so my range weapon of choice for havoc is weather bolter or recon..... not gonna use plasma for overwhelming crowd reason

[umbral scaffold]

What's a good team support Vet build?

[faint beacon]

Basically your ranged is more so

"Fuck this specific specialist over there die"

Grenades and melee are anti horde or Mixed hordes

[paper totem]

i don't know how to upload an image here

but

https://imgur.com/qS0vcZ5

[neon estuary]

yeah but i'm more of a infantry grinding type of guy with fully automatics.... but when it comes with ogryns and bosses, i just use krak grenades

[umbral scaffold]

What are the recommended weapons?

Duelist and plasma?

[cyan ember]

@umbral scaffold https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef19a3e-883f-4531-ab9a-7e049f950a4e/bubs-focus-target-vet-havoc

[paper totem]

yea, you can play with power sword aswell (but for high havoc runs it's the way to go)

[faint beacon]

run Recon in havoc if you like full autos

has insane ammo economy

so you never really run low on ammo

but you do have to get used to meleeing a lot

its Havoc

it demands it

[neon estuary]

high damage or just shoot fast?

[faint beacon]

DPS

so not damage

[half path]

Gonna give the infantry lasgun an honourable mention here nothing to write home about damage wise when compared with these 3 but pretty great ammo economy and can pick off ranged targets pretty well. I’ve made it work pretty well in havoc but I am crazy and love the gun

[faint beacon]

Reminder that it would absolutely be in the trinity if Determined wasn't a fucking must pick talent

and was just a baseline passive for Vet

[half path]

That would be peak

[umbral scaffold]

Interesting. Thanks

[faint beacon]

Thats what butchers the Infantry las

Supression

that and its damage is slowly starting to rear its head

could use a small buff imo

[paper totem]

to me, all 3 vet keystones are kinda meh

[half path]

Weapon specialist will not hear this slander

[hollow ibex]

^

[faint beacon]

WS is literally

[hollow ibex]

and FT isn't bad either

[faint beacon]

the bread and butter

for Veteran

FT is probably the second most picked

MMF

[cyan ember]

All three are good

[faint beacon]

no one plays that except me

[hollow ibex]

WS literally embodies vet's playstyle rn

[faint beacon]

Except MMF sadly

trust me I want it to be good

but its just not

its still fun though

[cyan ember]

my fun build using MMF. It is more than good enough for auric maelstroms. Havoc protably not, but I havent actually tried any full auto guns in havoc

I imagine it would work fine with the recon

I just don't like the recon

[paper totem]

vet talent tree needs a rework

[cyan ember]

It is better than zealot tree

[neon estuary]

okey. which build is for infantry grinding type of veterans?

[paper totem]

well, both are kinda f***** up

[cyan ember]

of which 100% of good builds take the same upper and middle nodes

What would you change about vet tree? Personally think it is fine

[faint beacon]

MMF uptime is super mediocre

I personally feel it needs a rework

its great on vigils and really good on the infan's but like

ehhh

vs Static damage of FT and just WS being itself

[cyan ember]

I use it on mk 5 infantry

[faint beacon]

yeah

lmao

[paper totem]

• most weapons are kinda disappointing

[faint beacon]

^ why im waiting for a Human arsenal buff

a lot of them are super weak in areas that need help

and if they do that

boom

suddenly weapon feels good

[sonic kayak]

[faint beacon]

Vigil Maniac damage................

been coping with it for over a year now

[half path]

the sane logical people thinking MMF will just be a shoe in for a gun build with exe stance

them after trying it

[faint beacon]

NOPE!

Me managing to make it work, mainly cause its on Vigil

but I mean im running fucking VOC so like of course it'll work

Anyways Camo + Tunnel Vision

pretty fun

seeing the stacks will buff your overall toughness regen

[sonic kayak]

I use MMF on the laspistol because funni

Just straight up Exe stance + MMF

Why? Because

[faint beacon]

I mean MMF actually works on Laspistol

iirc its not great on ILAS

[sonic kayak]

It does

[faint beacon]

@half path no fucking clue if this is true

[neon estuary]

do i really need the shock trooper perk? that one doesn't do well for fully automatics in my opinion.....

[faint beacon]

I dont really run MMF on ILAS

[half path]

i didnt like it when i used it

i can try and give it another try

[restive quiver]

no reason to upgade this thing to max right since its horrible roll ? i should just keep farming a decent base right?

this one is not bad to max for now tho right?

[tame lodge]

Good roll

[restive quiver]

wait for real? cleave is only 19%

ohhh wait when i max upgade it cleave will be 60%?

[sonic kayak]

The display works like: current stat / maximum stat from empowering

You did good, boss

[restive quiver]

yaaaaaay im happy thanks folks!

now i gets it boss!

[sonic kayak]

Go forth and kill in His name

[neon estuary]

yup, the shock trooper perk is useless to me

[trim badger]

unironically you got the best roll here LOL

[restive quiver]

hahaha yaaay

[trim badger]

probably gonna end up with something like this

(for vet I suggest swapping Carapace for Flak instead)

[paper totem]

i wouldnt go for flak

you oneshot them

i'd go weak spot damage

[trim badger]

yeah but I play havoc so bleh

[paper totem]

i do aswell

you still oneshot them

[trim badger]

doesn't 1 shot them unless you have some uncanny strike stacks IIRC

could be wrong tho

[paper totem]

hmm, enemies dont get more HP in havoc

unless modifiers like healing

[restive quiver]

with dueling sword do i mostly wana do heavy attacks like piercing ?

[paper totem]

you just spam heavy attacks

into the head/shoulders

[restive quiver]

dope thank you guys so much!

should i ever use the special?

[paper totem]

yea

[inland orchid]

I like fitting a special strike in between the heavies if they don’t die

[paper totem]

it staggers like crazy

[inland orchid]

Good stagger buildup

[trim badger]

They do??

[paper totem]

they dont

[trim badger]

Elites do get more HP

Bosses get more HP

Elites get +50% hp on havoc 39 upwards

Bosses get up to +70% hp on... I don't remember the number

Specials do as well (up to +50%)

[paper totem]

source?

i mean

elites and bosses yes

[tall torrent]

they do

[trim badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/havoc

[sonic kayak]

Why wouldn't they get more HP

[tall torrent]

specialists up to x150%
elites up to x150%
monsters up to 170%
chaos horde enemies up to 135%, and up to x320% mass

[trim badger]

never realized horde also got more hp but should've seen that one coming

[paper totem]

well, at havoc 35 still get oneshoted kekw

[tall torrent]

moebian 21st groaners with 843.75 health

[trim badger]

Right, that's why I said 39 and upwards

bleh

(39 and 40)

[tall torrent]

combine has a steam guide on it

just search that up

[paper totem]

i mean it's a 50% more health

dueling sword still hits like crazy in a weakspot

i wish vet had more weapon variety

[tall torrent]

Best vet melee is power sword VI

[paper totem]

hits like a truck

[sonic kayak]

you're my favorite Vet melee

[trim badger]

ok but

the sole point is to hit breakpoints easier

that's why I suggested +flak

it will go from a garanteed 2 hit to an often 1 hit

(unless crit obvs)

[paper totem]

yea, you're right

[trim badger]

or if you wanna use +carapace slap thrust on it but eh

it's scary to charge a melee to kill a havoc gunner

[trim badger]

still gonna use DS and knife sorry

[tall torrent]

I heard DS is getting nuked next update not sure if true

[trim badger]

I don't think I'll gaf too much

I was born with a Rapier on my hand

I'll die with the Duelling Sword on it

I hope they nerf it so I only players with good headshot acc can use it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall torrent]

To think that u thought my suggestions were equal to nuking it lol

[trim badger]

I think you misunderstood me

I still think it would nuke the DS

but I would still use it anyways

You can't strip the Saltzpyre from me

[tall torrent]

Yea but my suggestions wouldn’t

I’m very lenient with most of the proposals I make

[pseudo fiber]

God I hope so

[trim badger]

semantics semantics semantics the point is I love the thrust weapon

[restive quiver]

do i need to fully empower it first in order to go from orange to red?

[trim badger]

I'll forever keep it in my heart and use it

regardless if it's meta, good, bad or garbage

[pseudo fiber]

if you have the reds at home mod yes

[trim badger]

Red is not a real quality

it's just a visual mod

max power is 500

[restive quiver]

whats the deal with 550?

[trim badger]

There's no 550?

[restive quiver]

ohhhh gotcha ty

visual mod as in like nexus mod?

[pseudo fiber]

yee

[trim badger]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/380

[paper totem]

what do you guys use for your power sword=

?

[trim badger]

I don't use it but Power Cycle is a must

mobility is the dump stat (so the max for mobility should be 60%)

[calm shard]

power sword dumps cleave targets

not mobility

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[trim badger]

I'm curious on why do I see EVERY fucking havoc vet have mobility dump stat

weird

[heavy rover]

power cycle and brutal momentum

[calm shard]

60 cleave targets, Carapace/Elite damage, Power Cycler/Brutal Momentum

[heavy rover]

usually it's safe to assume mobility is a dump stat, there are a few weapons where it's not the dump stat

[trim badger]

If mobility isn't the dump stat then I might actually give it a go in havoc...

[tame lodge]

They didn't get the memo

[warm schooner]

a lot of vets in havoc are awful

[trim badger]

hell yea

[tame lodge]

[trim badger]

maybe

[trim badger]

actually true how tf does the guy with ironwill and +150 toughness goes down first :(

[calm shard]

they haven't played a match without VoC since they hit level 12 and unlocked it

[pseudo fiber]

If I'm remembering correctly activating the power sword maxes out it's cleave and I believe cleave targets has no effect on that value

[calm shard]

It's more that cleave targets affects the base cleave of the power sword only

And not the bonus that turning it on gives

[tall torrent]

No

It’s because it doesn’t change it enough

Going from 10.9 to 11.7 changes nothing

[pseudo fiber]

Thanks for the correction path

[crimson pebble]

sunder will also boost it

[tame lodge]

Lore accurate poxhound

[thick needle]

I thought everything dumped mobility

Except like
Dueling Sword

[sonic kayak]

Mobility unless you have Defense as a stat, with few exceptions to that rule

DS, PSword, some weapons with Collateral

[vapid thunder]

what is red

[pseudo fiber]

flamer

[sonic kayak]

For most Psyker weapons it's warp resist

[thick needle]

You don't want cleave on powersword?

[sonic kayak]

It’s because it doesn’t change it enough

Going from 10.9 to 11.7 changes nothing

That's like from 12 messages up

[thick needle]

Oh mb

Shoot now I gotta remake my Power Sword

[slow spade]

I personally keep my Psword around the 11 cleave mark

so it's like 69% mobility or something like that lol

[thick needle]

Please I'm already trying to save credits for Arbites

[void dragon]

Some might jest, but had some hounds do this kind of sheep sometimes

[vapid thunder]

how do i make hellbore work if i cannot aim at all

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[calm shard]

come to think of it

The Arbites class would necessitate new Commissary recolors for them

Do you think that'll get a refresh when they release for the other classes too?

[quick seal]

I hope so

[vapid thunder]

itll be for credits? i assumed it would be a dlc purchaseble separately

[trim badger]

oh shit it started then

cranial corruption

[sonic kayak]

Helbore is the gun that spits in your mouth, punches you in your private parts, takes your lunch money, and even calls you a noob on top of all of that degradation, and you love it because it does it like no other. If you don't like any of that? Well, you just say no. If you say no, it legally cannot do any of those things to you

[quick seal]

but it looks so drippy tho

[thick needle]

It is paid dlc but I still need the money, plasteel and diamantine to upgrade a whole new set of gear

[vapid thunder]

is recon lasgun any good

[thin minnow]

This particular one doesn't cuz no stock

[thin minnow]

Do u like 1 gazillion shots per second

[austere mica]

"is water very wet"

[quick seal]

I use it

I like it

very good hip fire

it's very accurate for an ostensibly close-range "SMG" type of weapon

[tame lodge]

Surgical

[quick seal]

very good with Shock Trooper

[sonic kayak]

Do you like dakka? Of course you do. You don't? Wrong answer

[tame lodge]

A critical body shot still hurts

Emphasis on critical

[sweet pivot]

im like level 20 i think would this curio like permanentally be good to have on me

[vapid thunder]

maybe this isnt helping

[sweet pivot]

like even when im max level

[frank monolith]

no max is 21 health 17 thoughness 3x stamina but i I think it must be 330/430+ something rating

[tall torrent]

This is untrue

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/falseadvertising-bounce-fall-gif-9226276

[vapid thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539691993048285184/1375265246591062158/togif-6.gif

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-let-that-sink-in-meme-let-that-sink-gif-26164212

[tame lodge]

Ah hell nah

[sweet pivot]

ah ok

eh its like 2k shekels so ill just have it on for the meantime

are those high level curios hard to get

[shadow dagger]

okay what can onetap dark ritual altars

[sonic kayak]

Krak grenades

Haymaker iirc

Basically, nothing you go out of your way to bring

[shadow dagger]

please tell me a stacked thammer can

[frank monolith]

I have ohne mindset so its 50 50 either i get it or dont

[shadow dagger]

im so tired of thwacking away for 20s or bringing a dead bless or nade for 2 things per half hour

[sonic kayak]

Why would you want a focal point of the dark powers to be flimsy?

[shadow dagger]

because it must mirror their followers

weak

easily broken

[sonic kayak]

Honestly, it ain't that bad

Now, if they gave us those totems with Havoc's Bulwark Sandwich, the game would be fucked

[shadow dagger]

i only very recently learned that the altars gave health regen to nearby enemies

[sonic kayak]

Atoma would be lost in like a day

[shadow dagger]

evis into multiple ragers was uhh

enjoyable

[sonic kayak]

You do know it says they heal in the blurb right?

Like when you boot up the game and it gave you that little message

[shadow dagger]

i never actually read em

[tame lodge]

That's hilarious

[remote sonnet]

It is carapace plated too btw.

[queen sky]

Carapace explains a lot

There is also something about it that interrupts activated chain attacks

[tropic halo]

And it heals extremely fast

It like heals if I remember 20-25% of the health under 2 seconds

[queen sky]

Yup, impossible to kill the chaos spawn if it's in the radius

[tropic halo]

That's why you must go destroy it immediately and don't try to do it all by yourself

[queen sky]

I even found you can't kill something like a dreg unless you oneshot it with a heavy swing

[tropic halo]

Some people that just rush for the ritual totem and start hitting it, are just risking to lose the mission for the others

[queen sky]

Agreed

[tropic halo]

It is better to kill the horde and waves before facing it

[queen sky]

Yep, you have to clear anything nasty and get some breathing room before going for the totem

On missions like Hab Larinax, you have to delay the hab scan and do the totem first

And then during the escape, you basically have to krak bomb the totem and just leg it before the chaos spawn figures out which door to use

[sharp epoch]

if your vet just take kraks

easy one tap

[queen sky]

Yes

[elder vessel]

We love a 20% chance to instakill man-sized targets on chained heavy hit (statues too weird)

fr tho the statue is dead in no time if your teams neurons start firing and all start beating up on the statue

[queen sky]

You ideally need a thunder hammer or pick or something in the mix, but yeah

[thick needle]

Does this imply the totem is just a reskinned Mauler

[inland orchid]

Everything’s a mauler if it’s krakable

Much like everything’s a nail to a bonking zel

[sonic kayak]

Final form of the Ritualist

[faint beacon]

Had 3 Chaos Champions in play cause of some interesting totem RNG

That was fun

[austere mica]

I got to experience 2 chaos spawns in heresy somehow today

Was carrying a friend and some randoms head and shoulders and I did a stupid (throw a krak at a totem 30m away) and ended up with 2 cspawns

[compact fulcrum]

What’s a good talent tree for recon lasgun?

[dry cloak]

Anything that has shocktrooper

[unreal nova]

I heard someone got 3 before.

[dry cloak]

Totem spawn us normal boss spawn most likely

[compact fulcrum]

What about the purple keystone?

[restive quiver]

is combat ability regen good to pick for vet?

[hollow ibex]

not really worth it

[sharp epoch]

I take 2 of them

[dry cloak]

If you have ypur typicall shout build. Just make ot have plus ammo and shocktrooper. Youre set. Also a thing for recon lasgun you can go keystoneless

[thin stone]

how to learn melee well

The normal psykhanium sucks for practice

[pallid jetty]

on special kill? the best for shouting and invis

[grand perch]

Play ogryn, dont need to learn melee just keep swinging

[thin stone]

understandable have a good day

time to play oggy

[grand perch]

For real though, you could install that creature spawner mod if you're on PC and practice in psykhanium.
Otherwise it comes with time in normal matches

[thin stone]

@grand perch how much time?

I already have 100 in match hours I think

on steam I have 369 hours, but I am not counting those

[loud belfry]

depends on you

probably >600 hours at least

[thin stone]

oof

@loud belfry how many it takes your avg darktide bro?

I cause I am your avg darktide bro dude

nothing special here

[dry cloak]

Old ogryn teached melee well

[loud belfry]

idk like 1000 I have no idea

you can make it take less time by studying the game and shit

[dry cloak]

There are some good video guides on melee on the internet i think

[loud belfry]

just try to learn a new little thing every day and keep reusing those strategies to make them part of your subconscious behavior

eventually you will be good if you do

[dry cloak]

Heh convinced my friend to play exe stance vet

He likes it more than shout vet

[grand perch]

Doing the lord's work

[frank basin]

i am finally free from event

500 aquilias

[tropic halo]

But modifier fun

[lost frigate]

executioner stance is fun ah on rolling steel mission

just shoot the wall of enemy and push foward

[full dome]

does anyone have a support veteran build?

around level 20

[grand perch]

Probably the map where I'd want exec Stance the least

[full dome]

i did try exec stance and it was okay

[grand perch]

I was referring to the comment above yours

[lost frigate]

if u have friend to create space for u it work wonder

[full dome]

i know

[lost frigate]

otherwise have to switch to melee and disrupt momentum

[full dome]

was just sharing

[lost frigate]

but rollong steel is the most fun for executioner stance for me

u guy think purely ranged vet need some buff?

i find hybrid melee ranged, voc is the only top tier meta for vet right now

[unreal nova]

You aren't supposed to be playing 100% ranged though, that's the thing.

[lost frigate]

well tbh

i feel like ogryn gunlugger feel more gunplay than vet range tree now

[unreal nova]

Oggy is simply overtuned atm.

[lost frigate]

if wanna be shooty without draining team ammo gotta stick with las weapon

[limber karma]

how do I spawn bosses in the meatgrinder?

[lost frigate]

Mod

[unreal nova]

If they were the standard, Vet needs SERIOUS buffs to nearly 95% of the tree.

The last 5% is already OP.

[lost frigate]

i'm not sure which mod tho

[upper star]

what is a curio slot?

[lost frigate]

the 3 bottom slot in an equipment ui, usually the main stats is + hp, + toughness, + stamina

[tropic halo]

Extra boosts for your character basically

[upper star]

Ah, i got non yet ;D

[lost frigate]

i forgot which lv unlock them

but i think u will unlock it one by one

[tropic halo]

Yeah

[civic kite]

24 unlocks the third and final curio slot

16 and 8 for the other two I want to say

[pastel yew]

every time I take even a brief break from the came I come back to constant crashes due to mod errors.. gwaahhh

also hello vet chat, been a hot minute

[covert lynx]

quick question about this guide, has it been updated recently? was looking into some vet stuff, but the guide is kinda old and I can't tell if it's been updated

[unreal nova]

Come back like N+3 months later lul. Guide is still usable generally. Just ask if you need to be sure.

[full dome]

how could i reduce my ability cooldown

[acoustic bloom]

tactical awareness, bottom middle node
cooldown reduction on curios ( max 4% x3 for 12% total)
and just standing next to ogryn/psyker
they can reduce your cd with their skills

[crude wind]

The worst thing about the Vet tree is the layout, the hideous stat node taxes, MMF being basically useless and Exe stance not generating toughness, imo. The nodes themselves are mostly good, some crap nonwithstanding (covering fire, the 3 talents on the Born leader row, etc)

[remote sonnet]

Many of those are strong but niche, requiring you to work as a team.

In practice, it is always "you are responsible for your own survival".

The few times I had teams with everyone using teammates buff talents, we won so hard.

Like the Psyker with extra aura range, it allows the team to spam abilities like no tomorrow.

[acoustic bloom]

covering fire still mid though

[crude wind]

covering fire is ass tier

[remote sonnet]

Because it doesn't benefit you, because you do less number, etc. Of course you would see it as a bad one. Fire team aura is way worse.

Cover fire you can shoot at the zealot or orgryn who are meleeing the horde in the relative safety of back line and they won't take a single hp damage.

But again, it then credited as they are doing good and you doing "nothing", so I understand why it feels bad to use.

[thin minnow]

I change the vertical FOV in config, go into the game, it also changed the horizontal FOV

[tall torrent]

yes because they're connected

[lucid herald]

adept assassin was actually pretty fun penance to do with revolver

[calm shard]

covering fire also has really really bad uptime as most guns are not good at horde clear, and the ones that are usually don't have great ammo economy

plus the buff only lasts three seconds

[remote sonnet]

You are Vet and there is a thing called recon las.

[faint beacon]

1 gun and 1 incredibly niche talent, it’s automatically being classified as useless

Vs others talents where they can be used on a bigger range

Besides you shouldn’t be firing into hordes in the first place that’s an extremely bad habit

[placid portal]

The only thing you should be firing is your Melee attack

[lusty ether]

what if my melee has ammo?

[placid portal]

Bash spam

[sonic kayak]

Grenade Gauntlet special spam for trash mob clearing

[valid sparrow]

Mark and blessings for heavy sword? Struggling to find a reason to use over anything else really

[lucid crest]

wrath rampage and umm

that one yeah

ill check which one mine is

[normal bay]

Mk9 for horde clear, VI is a little more single target.

Deathblow + Headtaker

Flak + Maniac

[lusty ether]

the one where you wave your finger ominously and tell the nurglites they've been very naughty boys

[valid sparrow]

Thanks, mk9 is the only one I haven’t tried yet. Single target leaves a lot to be desired though. Like catacha without party

[normal bay]

Have you been using the light - heavy horde clear combo?

[torn gorge]

sure but the heavy sword is a blender

which cannot be said of devil claw

[valid sparrow]

Which mark? I haven’t tried 9 yet. I was using the one that had heavy 1 over head and heavy 2 sweep so light sweep from right heavy from left if thats what you mean.

I don’t even know if that made sense. Anyways I’ll mess around later again.

[normal bay]

That's for the VI

IX is 1 light, then spam horizontal hevies

[queen sky]

ingame tooltip and Hammer Of The Emperor guide don't agree on what killzone does

which one is correct?

[normal bay]

Kill zone was changed recently I think. In game should be correct (but it's darktide, so who knows)

[queen sky]

hence my asking

[tame lodge]

Yeah it got buffed

Now you just avoid getting hit/blocking attacks

Instead of proximity based

[queen sky]

looks like the buff got nerfed though?

[fading yarrow]

Interesting...

I might need to adjust my boss-muncher bolter build

[quiet valley]

Better trigger condition, it has actual uptime now

[tall torrent]

word document guide is ~6 months out of date

been updating steam version in progress

[queen sky]

ty

[patent birch]

best sapper shovel?

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-long-paused-gif-15893181800651402631

[patent birch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611676469441331251/1188874310958448741/tumblr_1e1e8de7b34be50b3303868ae9e7806f_46bccc36_400.gif

[dry cloak]

mk1

[vernal harbor]

mkUltra

[steep flower]

Mk3; good CC, good push att for hordes, flip mode is fast and does very well againts any enemy besides bosses

[patent birch]

the visual bug annoys me

[tame lodge]

1 or 7

[patent birch]

gonna try 1 next match

[sonic kayak]

There can only be One

[tame lodge]

Well
7 is just 1 but with better anti armor

Or is 1 just 7 but with a safer special attack

[sonic kayak]

I just use 1 for the AoN shenanigans

Otherwise I wouldn't even use the shovel, honestly

[patent birch]

using it for the sound effect and im upset power sword is bad and shoudl be like relic blade

[crystal berry]

Just learned some lore and Veterans should get a lasgun ammo recharge perk because they deserve it.

[patent birch]

in vt2 we had character with infinate ammo idk why they wont do it here

[sonic kayak]

We're useful enough to get shit done, not useful enough to be trusted with valuable things

[patent birch]

also true, rejects and all

lame excuse tho

i want cool shit.

[steep flower]

3 is safer with its special cause its faster and does not make you stuck

[normal bay]

Vets have an aura that regens ammo and gives Vets free las ammo on crits. What more do you want?

[tame lodge]

Sucks at everything else though

And that's a deal breaker for me

[sonic kayak]

Could be argued that our consecrated weapons and certain weapons that are straight up relics, like the Relic Blade and TH, are a stretch, but as the vox announcer says: Theiving has the penalty of death

[tame lodge]

Well psword is top1 vet weapon

💀

[steep flower]

Lol no; great at controlling the horde and dealing with elites

Cause of moveset

[crystal berry]

I'm a Psyker main. I'm just saying that it is lore-friendly for Vets to get an infinitely recharging lasgun

[patent birch]

press button swing 3x press button swing 3x press button swing 3x is lame as fuck

[steep flower]

7 has those weird overheads in light att chain and its push att is just like the mk1

[sonic kayak]

Missing one thing: We're not a formal regiment

[tame lodge]

[patent birch]

waah waah waah

[sonic kayak]

Not getting out of this chair?

[crystal berry]

The lasgun uses laspacks, which recharge when exposed to UV and ambient heat.

[tame lodge]

Well yeah it's lame
But it's strong af

[sonic kayak]

IYKYK

[tame lodge]

That's just FS weapon balancing for you

[sonic kayak]

I understand, but we don't have normal supply lines or anything normal, even our warband is not normal; It's cool flavor but it's wasted here honestly

Also Survivalist can be argued as being that, like mentioned above

[steep flower]

Forgot to add; deci makes it great againts hordes; but then again why would you not take it

[sonic kayak]

IMO, out of all the lasgun changes to make, the Mk 9 should properly cleave

Not "cleave"

[steep flower]

Mk3 first 3 lights are relentless, last in the chain is strikedown but still swipey; much better than 7 if you spam it (cause 7 & 1 have the same heavy chain designed for horde CC)

[crystal berry]

The laspack is literally the magazine.

[sonic kayak]

Shock Trooper

[crystal berry]

It's the default

[sonic kayak]

Exactly

[undone jungle]

any fun meta development or is rashad/mk6 + plasma still the meta

[sonic kayak]

Serrated Blade Shovel, Fatshark said so themselves (in my head)

[tame lodge]

Depends on your investment

Bolter is pretty strong rn

But needs investment

[undone jungle]

serrated blade? is that a new shovel blessing

[sonic kayak]

nah it's the bleed talent in Vet's tree lmao

[undone jungle]

oh right.

that dogshit 😭

did they buff it or is it still 1 bleed

[sonic kayak]

They buffed it to 2 bleed iirc

[undone jungle]

ohhh

interesting i guess

[sonic kayak]

It.. is

[tame lodge]

[undone jungle]

did shock maul ever recover after they nerfed that block stun blessing or nah

[crystal berry]

Do Veteran mains just not like being advocated for that the whole class identity should get better gun related perks?

[tame lodge]

Went from 2 damage to 10 damage

[tame lodge]

The class identity is melee/ranged hybrid

[undone jungle]

vets are plenty fine for guns tbh i always hated the melee options

[dry cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgO3nOHdeY i think he has the right idea for marksman focus rework

[sonic kayak]

You're asking for rechargable power packs as a perk. As a gameplay mechanic, you have Survivalist and Shock Trooper, which, with certain lasguns(Particularly the Helbore in mind) you have quite literally unlimited ammo. The question is what exactly are you asking for?

[tame lodge]

Needs more melee weapons fr fr

[undone jungle]

^

and rebalance some old ones to be usable

[sonic kayak]

Devil Claw

[crystal berry]

Slowly charging unlimited ammo, Veterans are relied on to be the long-range option. If that can't be done then everyone else suffers.

[sonic kayak]

Reminder that the Survivalist we have is also the result of multiple nerfs because Vet's original ammo regeneration was considered too powerful already

[dry cloak]

we may get that with zealot rework

[dry cloak]

dogs waves being half ammo return

[sonic kayak]

How can I use my BrAuto-only Zealot???????????

[dry cloak]

im referencing old survivalist

[sonic kayak]

I know I know

[undone jungle]

im coming back after a few month hiatus but back when i played the only melee worth using were dueling, mk6 psword, rashad, maybe occasionally combat knives and by the emperor those are some really boring choices

[sonic kayak]

Triple Stamina Devil's Claw Mk 1

[dry cloak]

those are premiere options. but on auric and down you can use whatever

[undone jungle]

I just hope they revamp older weapons like they did with Ogryn recently. Bull Butcher went from OP, to never used, to actually a fun option right now. Give DClaw a fun push attack that can deal with carapace or something 😭

[sonic kayak]

📣 : make the push attack stronger than the overhead

[undone jungle]

Even then those options power creep the competition out which is a bit sad

[sonic kayak]

Actually I think I'll run that

I'm gonna do a Martyr DC because I like pain

[undone jungle]

I love shovels movesets but I can scarcely justify using one over a rashad. rashads push attack is insane cc so shovels don't even one up it there 😭

and shock mauls feel so good to use until you check your damage at the end and realize you were killing less than the lvl 28 zealot andy using an unbuilt eviscerator

i want more viable crap!!!!!!!! 💔

[crystal berry]

Also I'm not a veteran player, this isn't for me this is for the team. If the Veteran runs out of ammo then they become a hindrance.

[undone jungle]

i wanna use any other combat axe mk or even devil claw or heavy swords (outside like one very specific zealot build)

[faint beacon]

Shovels have poke and that’s it for CC on ragers

Incredibly sad

[undone jungle]

meanwhile rashad PA aoe stuns packs of ragers 💀

dont get me wrong i genuinely despise this. i am #1 rashad hater

please fatshart rebalance humie melee pleaep lepselpalse

do the unthinkable and remove brutal momentum and make it a hidden stat on every weapon that originally had it

(balanced per weapon ofc)

[tame lodge]

Heavy Swords have built in Deathblow (but 2 targets instead of 4) on heavy Strikedowns

[undone jungle]

yup! it Can Be Done! Do It! Earn the Mandate of Heaven

tbh dclaws need to be reworked entirely they have such a boring moveset between all 3 marks that it's incredibly sad

and why does it have a ton of stagger blessings?? 😭

[tame lodge]

Not a single parry blessing

[undone jungle]

RIGHT??

[sonic kayak]

I'm not a Veteran main; He's fun to me but I play all classes mostly equally. Again, Vet's current ammo regen is the result of being nerfed multiple times because it was considered too strong. Do you really want a Gunker, or even worse, a Rumbler Ogryn with passively regenerating ammo? You're already half-way there with Vet's own Shock Trooper; but that's the point. Having something like that trivializes the task of splitting ammo between the team, and figuring out when to toss ammo crates down. On top of this, if you're using lasguns the properly way and not dumping them into trash mobs, then Shock Trooper isn't even strictly needed, that's just a bonus. Unless your idea is for Veteran exlcusively, which again would be Shock Trooper, mechanically speaking. I'm not even shooting the idea down, but it's just excessive honestly.

[faint beacon]

Incredibly depressing trying to use mediocre weapons and get shoehorned into having a better melee as your choice on Veteran

[normal bay]

It's just a non-issue with las weapons. You can use them most of the match without issue, unlike some other more ammo hungry options

[crystal berry]

Did you miss the part where it was a Veteran specific perk?

[red robin]

Devils claw

[sonic kayak]

[red robin]

I just like the parry mechanic

But man

I wish it had blessings

[undone jungle]

the parry mechanic is fun. the fact the rest of the moveset is incredibly ass is really sad

[faint beacon]

I am not using the DC with the Vigils

[red robin]

Hell no

[faint beacon]

I’d rather cave to using the Rashad or PS

[red robin]

Vigilant?

[faint beacon]

Yes

[red robin]

Damn

[faint beacon]

That’s my main go too rifle

[red robin]

Tough weapon

Oi

What’s the verdict on no respite and falter on vigilant?

[faint beacon]

It’s underrated as hell but does need some love (buffs)

[red robin]

I was demo’ing it

[faint beacon]

0 point

It’s cool but Surg DA gives more value

[tame lodge]

Classic DT moment
"The alternative is better"

[faint beacon]

That or if it’s Mk7 (Semi)

Opening Salvo + Ghost

[red robin]

Ghost and Opening Salvo?

Yeah

I was looking at the stagger values vs the marks

[faint beacon]

Yup

[red robin]

Apparently the 2 round burst has more stagger than the semi auto

Unless

[undone jungle]

i love how 1h sword in vt2 had crazy good horde-clear, has some of the best boss DPS (unarmored) and took down unarmored elites really quickly while having a good overhead light 3 that could eventually whittle down small armored and even chaos warriors but in darktide the devil claw (its closest equivelent with the most similar moveset) has abysmally dogshit lights that do barely anything to every enemy type, a push attack that might as well not be there and heavies that need insane damage buffs from the class itself to compete with the damage of literally any other weapon

[red robin]

It’s counting the 2 shots

[undone jungle]

how did fatshark take the 1h sword from vermintide 2 (already an universally underused weapon) and make it WORSE

[red robin]

Bretonian longsword my beloved

[faint beacon]

I main that one

You get more from Surg DA

[tame lodge]

Don't forget the 5 damage to flak

[red robin]

Yeah

But I just want to try something else

I kinda like shooting faster and not playing with deadshot

Like shoot faster than opening salvo

[undone jungle]

the goat. missing tf out of siennas mace or shield weapons too

halberd 🤤

[faint beacon]

Opening is the direct opposite

[sonic kayak]

Grey Vraks Mk 5 IAG

[red robin]

Sienna dagger I miss you

[frank basin]

That smg ar?

[undone jungle]

i mean combat knives aren't too far behind but yeah i agree 💔

[faint beacon]

I’d say run Headhunter if you want a run n gun playstyle

I used to do that

[undone jungle]

that push attack speed tech was so fun

[sonic kayak]

Yes, in Auric Damnation

[faint beacon]

And it’s just shy as effective as Surg

But if you want a playstyle that’s aggressive

Or well more aggressive

[red robin]

Lmao the classic kruber swinging to move fast

[faint beacon]

HH + DA on the Vigil 9

[undone jungle]

oh yeah i was going to ask. only started playing again recently (too hiatus after first havoc season) are autoguns any better since then?

[red robin]

The classic bill hook spam to go warp speed on zealot

[frank basin]

Gale is being rifleman

[faint beacon]

No

[frank basin]

Truly ar lover

[faint beacon]

Hotdog taco hamburger

[red robin]

I respect the AR usage

[faint beacon]

Aka

[dry cloak]

vigilant mk3 my beloved

[faint beacon]

Recon

Plasma

Bolter

That’s it for Vet in havoc

[undone jungle]

whenever i gk while playing chaos wastes with my wife she always says it looks like i'm a rider smacking their donkey to go faster with the mace and sword speed tech 💀

[hollow ibex]

lol that's the one with a 3 round burst and like a 46 round mag or some shit right

[hollow ibex]

hey that's pretty good

3x more options than vet melee in havoc

[undone jungle]

i remember laspis being alright

[dry cloak]

yup

[hollow ibex]

fatshart hates that gun

[red robin]

Kerillian with the dual daggers swinging lights and non-stop “YAAGH, HYIAH!”

[undone jungle]

ik i used laspis vet a lot in season 1 since shooters were king vons

[dry cloak]

i use it more like infatry autogun. thats single brain switch makes it a bit better

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's how it's best used imo

[undone jungle]

speaking of vt2 i love how they finally gutted that useless lvl 5 perk and gave everyone new thp regen perks. you can now use bret ls on huntsman, billhook on bh and greataxe on ironbreaker and be viable

[hollow ibex]

but i think i'd rather just use mk9 still

[faint beacon]

It’s an honorable mention

[faint beacon]

You will power sword

[trim badger]

DS Knife and Powersword tho?

[faint beacon]

Or you will die

[undone jungle]

and i guess bolt pistol too, although atp just play chorus zealot

[red robin]

Damn, I should redownload and demo the new maps for fun

[undone jungle]

they're very good tbh

[dry cloak]

mk9 slips my comprehension it fries my brain

[undone jungle]

i still play it often cus all my friends love chaos wastes

[red robin]

Time to unlearn several months of darktide patterns to jank it up in vt2

[hollow ibex]

DS? what's dat. knife means having literally no horde clear, so no.

[red robin]

Peregrinaje?

[trim badger]

Duelling Sword

[sonic kayak]

If you're running Lethal Proximity you can use it on Vet for shredder nade spam

[hollow ibex]

never heard of it. sounds like a shit weapon tho

[frank basin]

There was one guy long ago trying prove recon mk6c is best weapon

[sonic kayak]

Or Krak spam

[trim badger]

Also I run knife 24/7 on Vet and it's good on havoc 40???

[red robin]

Peregrinaje insane mod for chaos wastes

[undone jungle]

based

[frank basin]

Man I missed the time sensitive

[sonic kayak]

There are more weapons besides the Devil's Claw?

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you have a psyker or ogryn that can pick up the horde clear slack

[trim badger]

Just add flesh tearer and it should be fine

[frank basin]

[undone jungle]

knife and dueling are very viable on vets because of the easily reachable headshot damage buffs. you basically get precognition basekit

[trim badger]

Not good, but fine enough

[red robin]

I’d kill for counterattack on claw

12% attack speed kinda nothing burger but id like it

[trim badger]

Yea this basically

Like knife with WS attack speed bonus and trench drill fight bonus goes really hard

[frank basin]

Old player here don’t like dueling sword usage

They hate braindead weapon

[undone jungle]

vets use those two weapons better than any other class with the only caveat being zealots with knives occasionally

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[trim badger]

I'm the only person who likes Duelling Sword gg

[undone jungle]

fully agree

i like using the overhead heavy duelling sword but thats abt it

its also only competitive* on vet because you get enough headshot damage to two tap crushers on aurdamn with it

[frank basin]

Mk4 is commonly disliked

[red robin]

15% dodge range + weapon specialist dodge range insane mobility

• agile

[frank basin]

I’m just MG player style

Brauto beloved

[trim badger]

Wow this reminds me of Rapier movetech

[frank basin]

Wish when heavy stubber come out

[red robin]

Annoyingly op and safe but I like going flying across the screen whenever harm is directed in my direction

[undone jungle]

brauto exec stance is so fun. i wish voice of command wasn't busted OP so i could use it without feeling like i'm throwing

[frank basin]

Graia is my to go

Has large mag

[red robin]

I wish there was more spread decreases in game

Deadshot and exe stance are the cases

And run n gun on the Agrippna revolver

Laser accurate brace hip spread

[dry cloak]

run n gun in general decreases spread

[red robin]

Ye

30% is huge

[undone jungle]

is the agri revolver actually competitive or did they overnerf it and leave it in the trash

[hollow ibex]

makes bistol hipfire and agrivolver feels a lot better

[frank basin]

Still functional

[hollow ibex]

but i don't like having to spend an entire blessing slot on it

[red robin]

It’s a fun use case

[undone jungle]

i feel like if they gave it maybe a teeny tiny bit more ammo it'd be pretty good

[quartz adder]

we have fun here

[red robin]

The zarona still the method of clearing holes in people

[quartz adder]

chainsword and plasma

[frank basin]

Aggrip is cowboy way

[undone jungle]

did chainsword get buffed since havoc s1 or is it still. that.

[red robin]

But Agripinaa fun with trickshooter and run n gun

[hollow ibex]

nope

most human weapons are untouched

[undone jungle]

thats fun

[red robin]

No crit or rending but just headshot lmao

[frank basin]

I wore gaurdsmen green uniform, and use exe stance with agrip revolver

I go the iron on my hip

[dry cloak]

if anythig cowboy revolver could use being actual 6 shooter

adn having a like 122 shots is the reserve

2 shots more to stay how it is now

[hollow ibex]

thta'd be pretty nice

[dry cloak]

if we need to keep zarona 5 shot

[frank basin]

I wish

[dry cloak]

also cowboy revolver works better on psyker

[frank basin]

[dry cloak]

put handcannon on it

[frank basin]

My psyker is psylot

[dry cloak]

austistic zealot

[frank basin]

Discount zealot

[dry cloak]

better zealot

[void dragon]

Genuinely like meleeker more than Zealot, feels just as powerful but more dynamic

[dry cloak]

yes because when dust particle touches you, you die

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

[void dragon]

Hate that feeling, I used a bolter exe stance quite nicely but team ded and all I could think was "could've save them...maybe if I had VoC..."

[void dragon]

Sure, but when you touch them, they also evaporate, mostly because I'm using perfectionism so every headshot puts the hurt on even bosses

[hollow ibex]

but martyrdom zealot

[faint beacon]

There’s a reason why a lot of the human arsenal feels abysmal

Mainly cause they haven’t been touched in ages

[void dragon]

Hopium is that the patches have hidden buffs to old gear

[faint beacon]

Doubt it at this point

[void dragon]

Let me dream in my lies man!

[grand perch]

i hear theyll buff DC swords by removing them from the game

[void dragon]

DC swords?

[grand perch]

devils claw

[faint beacon]

I desperately cry out for an arsenal buff but I know damn well the cries won’t be heard

[void dragon]

Arbites bringing new arsenal for the Mourningstar hopium train begins now

[sonic kayak]

I just clutched a Torrent Assassination with the Mk 4 on the Zealot; at the end of the game someone tells me "it has some combos but you did good for your first try"

I was using the Mk 4 but I usually use the Mk 7 which are opposite combos, and haven't used the weapon in a year

[fading yarrow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3m7lA2ZkofI?si=G_OwtZAbLYJHj8Nh

New Veteran character customization background:

[candid wren]

This is an excellent explanation for how the veteran ended up imprisoned.

[red robin]

Man

Can’t wait to project neurodivergent characteristics on another class

Arbites will have me projecting my control freak tendencies

[frank ledge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3487307989
Boss!

[hollow ibex]

longshot as a core talent

[thin stone]

I hate the zealot

Literal goubermooche

[grand perch]

if i ever stop being a lazy fuck im making a video schooling people why longshot is longshit

...so that all of 20 people can see it

[hollow ibex]

just explain that it's an 8% damage buff at 20m

[faint beacon]

Honestly for a meme build

If we move the FT 8 and longshot somewhere else

Killzone imo and a float point

[grand perch]

determined on a shotgun

[faint beacon]

And then do like Hammerblow + Skullcrusher

It’s not terrible

[faint beacon]

Just noticed that lmao

That’s another float point

Hell with that you could path into Recip

[hollow ibex]

i like how they went out of their fucking way

to not grab one of the toughness regen talents at the very top of the tree

[faint beacon]

Holy

I didn’t even see there was actively avoiding the toughness regen

Ow

[warped ruin]

grug

[manic badger]

RIP BetterBuffManagement

[fallow mason]

any advice on completing the penance for 90% accuracy with no ammo at the end of match

[manic badger]

use a shotgun

[fallow mason]

gotcha

[loud belfry]

either use mmt to get an easy rolling steel and you can solo it

or just go for it semi naturally by only using shotgun when you know you'll hit stuff

[fallow mason]

any specific mission type? i already turned off survivalist

what is mmt

[loud belfry]

many more try mod, it lets you (when combined with the website) find all missions that have existed in the last 24 hours, input their mission code, and join them even though theyre long gone off the board

[fallow mason]

gotcha and is rolling steel a mission, or something else?

[manic badger]

its the train mission iirc

really short mission

[loud belfry]

rolling steel is the train mission, it's the shortest mission in the game cuz if you don't finish it by then it ends in failure

[fallow mason]

oh ok

[manic badger]

just spam your shot gun shots into hordes double barrel is good for it

make sure you bring a strong primary

like power sword etc

[loud belfry]

it is slightly challenging if solo so ymmv. that's how I did it though

that's why you should try to get low intensity, make it a bit easier since you'll be alone with only bots

https://otwako.github.io/darktide-mission/

[fallow mason]

sorry what does ymmv mean lol

[loud belfry]

your mileage may vary, aka it's up to your ability (and chance) whether you can succeed alone

[fallow mason]

thank you

im trying to import a mission with the id from the website and it keeps saying invalid id

[loud belfry]

I have heard it might be broken

[fallow mason]

oh ok

[thin stone]

I tried zealot

and I hate it

Veteran all the way baby

I will learn how to properly play melee

once I get a new keyboard and stop hammering my laptop keyboard lmao

[hollow ibex]

[thin stone]

give him

[loud belfry]

there's another website https://maelstroom.net/

idk if it has rolling steel tho I can't find it lol

[fallow mason]

what mod would show my accuracy percentage during a mission and other things

[fallow mason]

thanks

[hollow ibex]

scoreboard or powerdi

power di only works after the mission tho

[loud belfry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/297?tab=images

I should get this mod, I dont have it yet

[fallow mason]

ok

now if i start one of those mmt missions then will other people be able to join me or am i on my own

like thru matchmaking

[loud belfry]

in theory people can quickplay into non-maelstrom missions

so yes but idk if they will. when I did mine solo no one ended up joining.

[fallow mason]

alright

[unreal nova]

Depends on age maybe.

[loud belfry]

possibly. I think as long as a mission actively exists (and isnt maelstrom) it's considered an option for quickplay just like any active mission.

[unreal nova]

I have QP into recently (Like 5 mins) swapped out missions in new lobbies before.

[loud belfry]

but it's easily possible that if the mission is x hours old it wont be qp'able and I just wouldnt really know

[unreal nova]

Cos is more likely for one to get into an avaliable on terminal one instead.

[grand perch]

cranial corruption is back boys

i hope green shit is gone in return

[unreal nova]

It is.

No blight again, lul.

[random marten]

Is precision strikes even worth it

[tame lodge]

Always

https://tenor.com/view/yes-simon-cowell-glowing-eyes-gif-16217022

[patent birch]

is chainsword good?

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

Very good against hordes

If the hordes are made of Groaners and Poxwalkers

Anything thicker it struggles

[patent birch]

D:

chainaxe superiority

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-escapes-from-the-hand-dog-side-eye-gif-11122278105679665117

[patent birch]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[tame lodge]

Chain Axes are capped

[patent birch]

capped at 100% top tier goated

[tame lodge]

Yeah nah

Any capped weapon is instantly and unredeemably bad

[patent birch]

what do u mean capped?

[tame lodge]

Tactical axes are dogshit anyways
Why the cap

[patent birch]

like dps?

[tame lodge]

My goat Evis15 is capped

[fallow mason]

is it possible to complete class penances as a different class? like ogryn completing a veteran challenge or do i have to be a veteran

[tame lodge]

Chain Axe can hit more than 4 targets

However, only those 4 targets take damage

[patent birch]

:? why

dumbass mistake or?

[tame lodge]

[patent birch]

touche

[tame lodge]

Chain Axe and Eviscerators are capped at 4

Tactical Axe at 3

Tactical Axe cap is crazy because it naturally doesn't hit a 4th target

[inland orchid]

the latter, cant complete a class specific penance without said specific class

[fallow mason]

thank you

[vapid void]

do multiple vets with close order drill stack with one another?

[tame lodge]

Auras don't stack

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-kiryu-gif-25261393

[patent birch]

they havent givven a reason?

[grand perch]

[vapid void]

even ones that arent proper auras?

[grand perch]

the personal attack

[tame lodge]

Nope

[inland orchid]

only time they stack if its the upgraded version sided with the un-upgraded version of the aura

[tame lodge]

Just old Fatshark mindset

[inland orchid]

like vet's starting survivalist with the upgraded one

[tame lodge]

It's not personal if it's the truth

[inland orchid]

or zel's toughness dmg reduction

seen this when pub lads leave mid match with my survivalist vet

the bot always got the un-upgraded survivalist so me and the remaining squad get more ammo till our 4th is back/replaced

[tame lodge]

But just imagine that the weapons with a cap would be too good for the game uncapped

I mean
Just look at Oggys Club

Those heavies were capped

Removed the cap and suddenly "Debuff Stick" showed up

(definitely more things happened)

[patent birch]

have creators and stuff not brought it up i mean ik its fatshark and its kinda a meme but

[vapid void]

is weapon specialist good? the playstyle seems sorta fun

[patent birch]

thats what i been runnin, seems fine, i hear a good amount of vet builds dont take ket stones

[sonic kayak]

Sure is, and yes it is

[warm schooner]

ws is the most fun of the three keystones imo

[fading yarrow]

No, it's terrible, you're only allowed to run Focus Target or you will spontaneously combust

I'm trying to type /s by itself but it keeps auto filling as / shrug

[vapid void]

i dont really like guns in this game so im probably not cut out for veteran but man veterans have the best outfits in the game by far

[warm schooner]

melee vet is plenty good

[patent birch]

could do a DB build and just have oh shit pocket cannon

[warm schooner]

pretty much how I play h40

[vapid void]

dueling sword im guessin?

[hollow ibex]

holy fuck it feels like weekend teams

[warm schooner]

no ps6

[hollow ibex]

do i really have to bring out the sweat builds

[vapid void]

ps6?

[warm schooner]

power sword mk6

[vapid void]

im fairly new so ill have to check what that is

[warm schooner]

dueling sword works well, but if I need to lift hard (which is often the case), I rather have the ps6

[hollow ibex]

how the fuck did i do more damage than a HH ogryn that cleared h40 with my meme brauto ES build

fucking unbelievable

[patent birch]

power sword and double barrel sounds good

[fading yarrow]

Hulk Hogan Ogryn? Elder Scrolls build?

[patent birch]

yeah idk wtf hes on about

[sonic kayak]

Heavy Hitter

A keystone for Ogryn, the melee damage oriented one

[fading yarrow]

I was joking

[sonic kayak]

Basically a Charge Martyrdom Zealot but Ogr- oh ok

[warm idol]

dueling and power swords are basically our strongest options

but theres other good melees still

[patent birch]

mk1 shovel for plap noises

[warm idol]

combat knifes and axes are nice too

[patent birch]

combat axe

[warm idol]

heavy sword is good too but you need to use an anti carapace ranged with it

its just the reason ps and ds are so good is that they can deal with anything with their only weaknesses being ps mobility and ds horde clear

[fading yarrow]

Speaking of DS
How do I get more than 7 stamina bars on it?

[faint beacon]

3 stamina and path through middle prob

[fading yarrow]

3 stamina curios or just one +3 Stam curio?

'Cause I have a sword on my Zealot with dumped Cleave for max Mobility and a +3 Stam Curio and I just can't seem to hit the sweet spot

[patent birch]

plas gun perk blessing dump stat?

im assuming charge rate

[fading yarrow]

Nay

69 Thermal, 71 Charge Rate

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[patent birch]

i have 60% ammo rn

xd

[unreal nova]

68 Thermal and 72 Charge rate works as well.

[patent birch]

why tho

[unreal nova]

It's the min Thermal to get 8 light shots in a row.

Anymore is a waste.

Since 80% is ALSO 8 shots.

[patent birch]

word

[umbral scaffold]

What autogun is decent? Cuz i know recon lasgun is godly,but thats about it about my knowledge

[loud belfry]

68 is perfect but not all 68s can do it

[fading yarrow]

Vraks Mk V

It's a death laser of bullets

[unreal nova]

Is why, IDK if I got lucky. but shoots 8 times so lucky.

[tame lodge]

Vraks5
Agripina

If you ever go Braced Autogun
Agripina or Graia

[umbral scaffold]

Perks n blessings? @tame lodge