veteran-class

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[trim badger]

That's okay that's why I bring shredders for mixed

:3

[tall torrent]

have u considered learning them?

[trim badger]

Knife is still heavy heavy heavy heavy for single targets and light for hordes

Maybe slap a light special light special if the Target is standing still

[tall torrent]

knife is not heavy heavy heavy for single target lol

[trim badger]

Ok you gotta understand I zoom around with mk3 1 shotting everything

[tropic notch]

It can

[trim badger]

I don't use the cuck mk6

[tall torrent]

knife single target is push atk + push atk + push atk + push atk + push atk + ...

[tropic notch]

Das silly

[trim badger]

Yeah but I wanna be able to Sprint from Target to Target wraaa

PA is good when the shit doesn't die quickly

[tropic notch]

Chat he doesn’t know

[queen sky]

i do not have the sense of timing required to execute combos in videogames - soulslikes, fighting games, rhythm games, i do not have the ability to anticipate moments and press buttons on cue with tight timing

[trim badger]

I'm aware 6 is better >:(

[tropic notch]

What the shrimp

[trim badger]

But nothing will strip me from the dopamine of zooming in with only overheads

[tropic notch]

Dey zoom da same

[tall torrent]

I'm genuinely curious how u play cuz most DT melee weapons' combo timings are incredibly generous

[tropic notch]

[trim badger]

Just use psyker Flamer ofc

[queen sky]

light spam with XIIIg Chainsword feels the best so far

[tropic notch]

Yeah I was literally about to say just play purg psyker

[tropic notch]

Ur so silly…

The chainsword isn’t bad tho

Wish it had a better moveset

[queen sky]

tell that to half this server who think the chainsword is useless trash

[tropic notch]

It’s not trash but not great

[trim badger]

It's not bad but I feel it's something I wouldn't use on vet

[tall torrent]

gaslighting tier weapon

[queen sky]

it's not the best weapon no, but it does function very well as a trash sweeper to pair with a railgun like the PG or Zarona

[tropic notch]

The heavy sword or dcalw outperforms it

I wish it worked like the power sword

[queen sky]

the heavy sword requires timing too tight for me

what is dcalw

[tropic notch]

Huh

[tall torrent]

not dclaw

[tropic notch]

Devils claw

[tropic notch]

Ok maybe not dcalw

[queen sky]

the devils claw does NOT outperform it lmfao

only on poxwalkers

[tropic notch]

Depends on how you use it

[trim badger]

Yummers dclaw parry against ragers

[tropic notch]

Dc mk4 is pretty awesome against mixed hordes

[trim badger]

Do you all think Arbites will have access to human melees?

[calm shard]

It MOST CERTAINLY is

[tropic notch]

All you gotta do is press a button

[calm shard]

Do you know how shit a weapon has to be to still be doing bad damage on Gun Psyker?

[tall torrent]

the shared ones yes

[calm shard]

Because let me tell you the Chainsword is the only weapon in the game that still does fuck all damage on Gun Psyker

It is a miserable piece of garbage

[trim badger]

Fuuuck I don't wanna see everyone grinding with DS instantly

[tropic notch]

Have yuo tried melee soyker?

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-fight-no-nope-gif-5341331

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

from what I understood it's a close range class

with stagger orientated melee

[tropic notch]

Tomfoolery in vet chat

[trim badger]

It does look like it yeah

Close range defense

With the shield+gun and shield+melee

[tropic notch]

Wonder how the shield will work

[calm shard]

like ogryn shield but without ogryn stamina :)

[tall torrent]

arbites is probably footknight-esque class

[trim badger]

It's probably gonna be like Ogryns but without the stance

[tropic notch]

Welcome back mace and shield

[trim badger]

I miss flail n shield

Beloved WP...

[tropic notch]

Force dagger or fail when

[trim badger]

TRUE

[tall torrent]

1 month until DT arbites DLC
1 month 1 day until RT arbites DLC

[trim badger]

We need all Sienna stuff on Psyker now

[queen sky]

i'm sorry that you're having this problem mate

hopefully you can fix it soon

[tropic notch]

Melee psyker wif a soulblaze fail or force fail

[tall torrent]

psyker deserves no new weapons until they get the 80 nerfs they need

[trim badger]

To be fair every class needs nerfing lol

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-spray-paint-bug-eye-man-gif-21526624

[tall torrent]

some just more than others

[tropic notch]

Another buff to psyker

[trim badger]

Yeah this is true

[tropic notch]

Nerf vet

Make vet locked behind a paywall

[queen sky]

wandered into damnation meat grinder and honestly the chainsword breakpoints are still pretty good

[tall torrent]

it's not a breakpoint weapon

[tropic notch]

Put the plasma gun on psyker

[queen sky]

i can still onetap poxwalkers, activated onetap ragers and muties

[tall torrent]

chainsword special action basically doesn't exist

[queen sky]

hopefully with enough practice you'll get the hang of it

[calm shard]

yeah good luck doing that with other enemies around

[queen sky]

why would i be doing that with other enemies around

[calm shard]

you may have also noticed while doing that that the special is slow as fuck?

jee maybe because Darktide is a horde shooter?

And has this strange tendency to throw large numbers of enemies at you?

[queen sky]

if there's many ragers or what have you, then that's why I pack a Zarona

[calm shard]

yes because your melee is inadequate for killing them

[tall torrent]

honest recommendation
download creature spawner and practice from there

[calm shard]

so you have to use ammo to compensate when other melees wouldn't have to

[queen sky]

correct, different tools for different jobs

[calm shard]

the chainsword is one of very few melees that cannot kill ragers

it is the only blunt knife in your kitchen that you always look at funny whenever you grab it by instinct

before hastily putting it away

to get one of the better knives

Like for example how about 2 of the other "bad" melees

Chain Axe for example

Green Chain Axe lights can one shot ragers nearly instantly, and blue Chain Axe does the same with its heavies

All variants of the dclaw sword just press parry and the rager is dead instantly

[tall torrent]

mk4 chainaxe doesn't 1 shot rager

[queen sky]

i am sure that a 2,000-hour solo auric wunderkind player can airstrafe through levels with nothing but a Mk.IV letter opener, but i'm not interested in trying to fruitlessly grapple with precise combo patterns and timings - i'm gonna use a gear setup that works for me

[calm shard]

That MK IV letter opener you're talking about is the fucking chainsword

[tall torrent]

at the very least, get creature spawner and practice

[queen sky]

i was referring to zealot knife mobility shennanigans

[calm shard]

You are using a letter opener in your "gear setup that works"

[queen sky]

practice with what

[trim badger]

It's funny because Eviscerator is actually one of the best Zealot melees for Havoc

[tall torrent]

melee?

[trim badger]

But chainsword is kinda doodoo

[calm shard]

Chainsword is so obviously the worst melee in the game I don't know how people defend it

[tall torrent]

nah

[calm shard]

it doesn't even compare to the other low tiers

[queen sky]

what, the timing thing?

[calm shard]

Except like maybe the mk1 devils claw sword

[trim badger]

Erhm it's used by commisars (cool factor) nerd

[tall torrent]

yea, u can set enemies to move and atk like normal

[queen sky]

for years i've attempted to practice timing mechanics in various videogames, often to frustration

i'm no longer interested in attempting to hone a skill i do not have

[tall torrent]

is it timing or reaction time

[queen sky]

timing, 100% - i have very good reaction time, which serves me well with the Zarona

i cannot push a button to a beat

[tall torrent]

how do u do push atk then

[queen sky]

i don't

[tall torrent]

can u record a try

[queen sky]

what do you mean by "push attack"

i think we are thinking of different things

[calm shard]

it sure does on a crit if you have headtaker up

or like, any red talent

[queen sky]

i am imagining the attack from block you get when holding a push

[tall torrent]

most of the time it takes 2 swings

[trim badger]

Perform a push but don't let the attack key go

You'll perform a push attack

[queen sky]

yeah that's what i thought, but you don't need to time that it's automatic

[tall torrent]

yes that's "push atk"

[tall torrent]

this is not

[queen sky]

did i not copy what you are doing?

[tall torrent]

No?

The attack is not the same?

[queen sky]

wtf are you doing then, because it looks like push + light + light

[calm shard]

I dunno why you'd even need to time this

you can literally just hold LMB when doing a push to do a push attack

[queen sky]

yeah that's what i was thinking

push attacks are automatic

[tall torrent]

While holding m2
Click and hold m1
After the animation plays, let go of m1 and click m1 again

Try it

[queen sky]

oh, push attack + light

you need to properly describe what you're asking for lmfao

[tall torrent]

Yea, I asked for “push atk”

That is what a push atk is

And u said u don’t do it

[queen sky]

i know what it is, but i don't use it during games

[tall torrent]

Why not

[queen sky]

that's not what others here are saying lol

[glacial mist]

what are good perks for melee weapons?

[queen sky]

why would i need a slow light swing pattern

[glacial mist]

caparace and flak?

[queen sky]

depends on the weapon

[glacial mist]

tac axes?

[queen sky]

but often flak and maniac

[glacial mist]

ok thanks

[tall torrent]

Because the push itself has higher stagger vs horde enemies and it chains into different attacks more efficiently?

[tall torrent]

For veteran
Unarmored
Maniac

[queen sky]

why would i want to be attempting to do combo attacks, when I don't have the sense of timing required to execute them?

[tall torrent]

Yea just keep practicing that

[atomic void]

not gonna lie not wanting to engage with basic melee combat in a melee heavy game is very interesting way to play the game

[tall torrent]

To a point where u can replicate what I sent

[queen sky]

☝️

[atomic void]

cause most of the weapons dont require insane timing

dork melee roster is largely spammy

[tall torrent]

what "timing" ur believing it to be is ultimately just reaction time based on ur own animations

[karmic moat]

hehe chainaxe go brr

[queen sky]

you can have fun playing darktide your way buddy, and i'll play it my way

idk why every time i ask a question about darktide it keeps coming back to "you're playing the game wrong"

[tall torrent]

I didn't say any of that lol I just pointed u a way to improve what u struggle with rn

[queen sky]

multiple times i said "i'm not interested" and multiple people here keep going "actually it'll work if you just X Y Z trust me"

i think next time I'll just say "no thanks" and refuse to engage

[tall torrent]

nah ik what u mean because a friend of mine also can't do combos

and it looks exactly like the video u sent

it's not a timing issue, it's a matter of understanding what inputs to do which attacks, and reacting to them

[hollow ibex]

Bro. Why you gotta call me out like that.

[tall torrent]

not u

[hollow ibex]

Oh right

You said friend

[tall torrent]

a friend of mine from croatia

[queen sky]

it looks like the Bolt Pistol overall does about 2/3 the damage of the Zarona? even with Deadly Accurate, the headshot damage is lagging behind

this is affecting TTK on beefy targets like ogryn and muties

[hollow ibex]

That’s very specific

[hollow ibex]

If you want to kill big guys stick with revolver

[tall torrent]

Mutant takes 3x as much damage from melee

[trim badger]

I'd say it's between unarmored flak and maniac

Unarmored seems to be the one that was most reliable for me, so the choice would probably be between the other two

[queen sky]

that's currently my plan, but i was looking for a way to try and make bolt pistol competitive because I like the way it feels

it has higher listed damage so i was hoping there was a way to bring it up to the Zarona's level

[atomic void]

bolt pistol is mainly for gunners and stuff

[trim badger]

Bolt pistol is used for grenade vets builds

[atomic void]

too many bullets to kill crushers

per ammo

[queen sky]

I am using it for everything i can ping

i'm 1-2 tapping Damnation crushers

[hollow ibex]

yeah bistol's not going to really be a perfect replacement for volver if you need it to kill crushers

[atomic void]

i mean it is use useable you'll just run out of ammo

[queen sky]

so far it works just fine, even without Survivalist

[atomic void]

then keep on rocking

[queen sky]

yes

[queen sky]

unfortunate, it's a real shame that the bolt pistol of all weapons is being outperformed like this in this role

[atomic void]

revolver just has funny blessings that make it deal a lot of dmg

[queen sky]

i would expect the revolver and BP to be occupying each other's seats, but i guess it makes sense since the revolver was added to the game first and had to be the pocket railgun

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's mostly the blessings

handcannon memes

[queen sky]

is Hand Cannon's rending really that powerful?

hm, i guess it would have a disproportionate impact on carapace

[hollow ibex]

yeah exactly

but obv crit dependant

[queen sky]

what a crying shame

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205/reeeevolver-crusher-deleter

[queen sky]

my build uses deadshot and surgical to almost guarantee crits when ADS

[hollow ibex]

pretty damn fun build if you like revolver

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah that's my build above

[queen sky]

i'm doing something similar
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eb0b628-a9cb-48a6-b0e9-0276bbe773ec/six-shooter-support

[hollow ibex]

do you want feedback on your build?

[queen sky]

no thanks

[warm idol]

I used it for the first time in a long while recently and it just made me sad

such an iconic weapon yet feels so weak

[hollow ibex]

Well there’s a lot of room for improvement but up to you

[queen sky]

i'm sure there is but i'm not soloing aurics

[trim badger]

Start Havoc

[formal ice]

The hell is the Servilive Servidores

[hollow ibex]

You’re going to have a hard time even with QP damnation if you don’t take iron will

[trim badger]

Quite a peculiar question

[hollow ibex]

At the very least take iron will i beg

[queen sky]

i was wondering that too

[formal ice]

What are theses emojis on the server

[queen sky]

i had a look at the server but couldn't understand the spanish(?)

[formal ice]

Gmod logo together with a Helltaker demon

[queen sky]

the reading comprehension in this server is tragic
"do you want advice on your build"
"no thanks"
"listen your build needs to really improve, make sure to take X Y Z-"

[trim badger]

Peak?

[calm shard]

Your ability to avoid almost every good talent on the skill tree is quite admirable

👍

[queen sky]

sorry that you're having trouble with branching out mate

hopefully you can figure out some new builds soon

[calm shard]

I have all 5 loadout slots on veteran filled with different builds

and the off meta ones are my favorite

but I don't actively avoid the good skills even on the off meta ones

[hollow ibex]

lol fuck me for suggesting you take one of the most important vet talents, amirite?

but if you want to keep your head stuck up your ass

and struggle in heresy

be my guest

[queen sky]

you were told "no thanks" what were you expecting

[crisp oak]

Do you kill yamnation crushers with a onetap without superiority complex?

[queen sky]

yup

[crisp oak]

Nice

[queen sky]

usually requires two though, on damnation

[crisp oak]

Ah ok

[queen sky]

only get the onetap when the buffs line up

[crisp oak]

That makes more sense

[grand perch]

im just mad its called a six shooter build when its a 5-shooter

[hollow ibex]

He plays on malice or something, that’s why

[queen sky]

now THAT is valid criticism lmfao

[crisp oak]

I'd also run shovel for peak roleplay as cowboy

So I can dig my own grave

[loud belfry]

why even have a build if you're only on heresy or below tbh

[crisp oak]

Ngl I mostly play malice

[hollow ibex]

Then that build would work even if it’s an abomination

[crisp oak]

But I also normally just qp

[crisp oak]

I have done malice while forgetti g to have talents

That was fun

Malice has a higher chance of me being able to show someone a martyr skull

Heresy has the highest chance of an annoying douchebag

[void dragon]

You folks think that making the bleeding talent be more easy to access could make some weapons better? Shovel feels oddly better with that talent

[hollow ibex]

It’s a cursed difficulty

[crisp oak]

Yes for my knife build

[crisp oak]

It is

Uprising has the highest chance of encountering a level 6k+

[trim badger]

Well yeah absolutely

[void dragon]

Funny bleed doesn't seems to impact as much as for shovel tbh

[trim badger]

This would make mercy killer for knife actually good

[void dragon]

Knife is still knife tho

[crisp oak]

... it lets you run mercy killer

Which I run

Because I am commited to the bit

[glacial mist]

which is better lacerate or flesh tearer?

[crisp oak]

None of them

[glacial mist]

ok then

[trim badger]

I personally prefeer flesh tearer if I was forced between the two

[glacial mist]

guess it's just mercy killer and a rending bless

[tame lodge]

Tearer>>>>

[trim badger]

Do NOT run mercy killer 😭

[void dragon]

Flesh tearer is "better" but the in game performance isn't that different

[hollow ibex]

They’re both pretty niche but if I have a dedicated bleed knife build, lacerate

[void dragon]

Imo

[crisp oak]

This is what I run, just a massive point tax

Dedicated bleed knives are in a rough spot

[trim badger]

Unless you have the bleed talent but still

[glacial mist]

off

[tall torrent]

handcannon is not needed on it

[glacial mist]

oof im getting some mixed signals here

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

[crisp oak]

Basically bleed knife is niche

[tall torrent]

lacerate for mk3, flesh tearer for mk6

[void dragon]

What is the knifemaxing perks and blessings?

[crisp oak]

The bit is mercy killer uncanny

[atomic void]

say what now

my life is a lie

[crisp oak]

With bolt pistol/weapon specialist

To become crackhead

[tame lodge]

Well
Lacerate goes against the Knife's huge weakspot bonuses

[crisp oak]

Lacerate is for spamming i to hordes

[tame lodge]

So you're bleeding yourself in the foot with lacerate

[crisp oak]

I forget what fleshtearer does tbh

[tame lodge]

Bleed on crits

[glacial mist]

lacerate == bleed on non weakspot?

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[glacial mist]

and flesh is the opposite

i think

[crisp oak]

Flesh is bleed on crits

[tame lodge]

Regardless if weakspot or not

[glacial mist]

right that

[void dragon]

But landing only weakspots on hordes of elites is not realistic

[trim badger]

If flesh was bleed on headshots

It would be n1 blessing

Combined with uncanny for bleed megadmg

[glacial mist]

weakspots basically just headshots right?

except for that one monster

[tame lodge]

Yup

[void dragon]

Usually

[crisp oak]

And pimple

[glacial mist]

with the huge blot on its back

[trim badger]

And technically flamers backpacks

Those also count as weakspots idk why

[void dragon]

Because boom

[tall torrent]

yea it's basically pointless
outside of maybe psyker

[tame lodge]

If it is a horde of elites

[trim badger]

Well yeah but it doesn't get like

More dmg

[tame lodge]

You're not hitting a second target

💀

[atomic void]

what else do i slap on it then

handcannon is like in every build known to man lmao

[void dragon]

But is common to land hits on arms and stuff even when aiming to head

[tall torrent]

point blank + run&gun

[tame lodge]

Against an elite?
Better correct your aim then

[atomic void]

unusal but ill give it a spin
is this vet only or all classes

[crisp oak]

No surgical?

[tame lodge]

You're not light attacking an elite anyways

[void dragon]

Why is hand cannon a no go? No form to guarantee crit?

[tame lodge]

It's heavy or go home

[tall torrent]

no because it doesn't change anything outside of shooting crushers

u don't meaningfully kill ANY enemy better with it

[tame lodge]

Casual Zarona W

[tall torrent]

point blank is better than surgical for this gun most of the time

[void dragon]

Not even maulers? Wow

[tall torrent]

shoot body twice with crits

remember how rending works

[crisp oak]

Dont mauler heads get weakspot bonuses though?

Btw petition to make groins a weakspot for all enemies

[austere pine]

the emperor can keeps his unpowered laspistols

[tall torrent]

yes, except revolver does significantly more dmg with crit, and it already does a lot more vs flak than carapace

[void dragon]

Only when using kick attack

[crisp oak]

Nah, hellbore to the groin

[void dragon]

Nurgle followers: jokes on you, can't kill what is already ded

[crisp oak]

Ill kick the grandfather in the nuts

And try to stop me

[tame lodge]

They trained with Johnny English

[crisp oak]

Ill kick Aisha in the nuts too

Filthy xenos

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-kick-balls-sensei-johnny-english-nhanthe2-gif-12033477

[void dragon]

@tall torrent is running stamina + good on knife?

[austere pine]

stamina and block efficiency is a strategy on knife

don't know how good, but not bad

[tame lodge]

+2 for push attack spam

Or running

[void dragon]

Shankmaxing

[austere pine]

it's genuinely not a bad strategy

but i don't know if more push attacks overpower damage bonuses

[trim badger]

As a havoc slop player I can't not run flak+unyielding

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[void dragon]

Ty

[sharp epoch]

I would just run a stamina curio tbh

the damage perks are really too good to pass up

[void dragon]

which ones are good for it? flak and unyeling? caparace is an option?

what about +elite

[formal ice]

Maniac and

Hmm let me thing

[sharp epoch]

Flak and unyielding, I'm not really a knife main but check if carapace changes the breakpoints

[formal ice]

Flak

[void dragon]

rat is trying to scam me, need robo dog sooner so it can eat it

[formal ice]

Don't worry Sheratas ogryn

I am just confuse on why use flak on a melee weapon

[tropic notch]

Uncanny and riposte

Flak unyielding

Maybe uncanny precog

[sonic kayak]

Haymaker

[tropic notch]

I remember when people actually suggested that

[knotty tundra]

Hello, I just started playing the game and I´m playing a beginner friendly recon lasgun build. There is currently a blue Recon at 260 Lasgun in the shop that are 80% max potential to everything and 60% to collateral, which Is to my understanding what you want on the gun, Should I buy I and just spend all my efforts crafting it to make it stronger?

[hollow ibex]

yeh that's a perfect roll

so a good investment

[crisp oak]

Yup

[hollow ibex]

assuming you like the gun

[knotty tundra]

thank you, jsut wanted to make sure I understood the guides ive looked up correctly

[crisp oak]

But tbh while levelling just try to play diff weapons

[knotty tundra]

I did, the recon lasgun felt the best so far from the ones ive tried 😛

so i just for now want a solid weapon i can focus on that can help me speed up my progress

[hollow ibex]

recon las is powerful, so if you like it, it's a good investment

[severe jolt]

If you're just starting out there's no reason to use any specific thing, just try out different stuff and use what you think is fun to use. It's only at the very highest difficulties that you need to start sweating this stuff, and by that point you'll probably already know what works best.

[knotty tundra]

crafting wise, should I first consecrate the weapon to max and then dump everything on empowering it as much as possible?

[faint beacon]

Behead 7 billion people

[severe jolt]

Generally, the best idea is to consecrate them, and then empower/refine them as you gain weapon mastery and crafting materials. Because at the highest consecration you get the perk and blessing slots.

[austere pine]

doesn't matter. the most important thing for a weapon is getting the right dump stats

but if you don't have the money for that yet, get what you can

[knotty tundra]

It did, I watched a guide video first and was told to get 60% dumpstats on collateral and 80% on everything else (recon lasgun), which i was lucky to have just picked up from the shop just now

[austere pine]

meaning consecrate to max, get the best blessings and perks you can, empower as much as you can and keep rolling for the correct dump stat

[knotty tundra]

thank you 🙂

[austere pine]

in which case get what you can, whenever you can

the order doesn't matter if you know you're gonna stick to the weapon and not toss it the moment an upgrade appears

[severe jolt]

A few percents of stats here and there doesn't mean jack until you hit the higher difficulties.

[knotty tundra]

understood

[glacial mist]

aside from the powersword

any other weapon/mark good for horde clearing?

[austere pine]

combat axe

[glacial mist]

mk2 then?

[frank mantle]

using accatran feels like cheating

[austere pine]

that or antax

[frank mantle]

no recoil you just brbrrbrbrrbrbb enemies to death

They really need to fix the infantry lasgun imo

[austere pine]

it's in a good spot after... years? of being garbage

[frank mantle]

I'ts good if you want to practice weakspot damage

but no suppression means they just move sideways and you hit the shoulder

Skill issue but I must improve

[sharp epoch]

take determined talent another node tax

[glacial mist]

is any of the helbore good for just

stab stab stab all day?

[severe jolt]

There's no point at all in rolling weapons at Brunt's shop when you're just starting out. When your weapon masteries are low you aren't gonna max them out anyway.

[glacial mist]

like i dont want to swap it off cause of the long wind-up animation

[austere pine]

either of the bayonet ones

the axe isn't great i hear

[tame lodge]

3 and 5 have the stabby bayo

But 4 has the highest damage per shot in the game

[austere pine]

yeah i mean, i hoped it was clear that the order i wrote the suggestions in meant the order of operations also

might not have

[tame lodge]

So you get a good bayo or a good shot

[severe jolt]

If you wanna play Helbore, get used to dodging instead of blocking. Because it works pretty well that way. Also the Helbore stab counts as a melee attack so it procs Agile Engagement, which can prove useful.

[glacial mist]

i just want a bayo that's good enough for melee clean up/ horde clear

so i dont have to swap out when i get swamped

[tame lodge]

Then it's the stabbys, mk3 or 5

4 is a slash, it's just weird

[glacial mist]

what's the differences between the 2?

[tame lodge]

Mk3 is the all arounder

[glacial mist]

damage/ammo?

[tame lodge]

Mk5 charges faster but less damage per shot

[glacial mist]

i see

[tame lodge]

Since mk5 charges fast you don't need the Weight of Fire blessing

[glacial mist]

might need to try both then

[severe jolt]

But that's the only reason you switch to melee when you play Helbore. When it gets overwhelming and you're getting swarmed. That's when you pull out the power sword or whatever else you have to deal with melee hordes.

[glacial mist]

hoping i dont get dead team when that happen

but yeah might wanna bring the ol reliable

that or the emergency parrying claw

[severe jolt]

If you're just leveling up I would actually suggest using whatever you get as mission rewards, maybe upgrading a little as needed, but generally just hoarding your crafting mats. Apart from the currency you get from completing weekly contracts, of course - those can buy you 500 rated weapons even at level 1 and aren't useful at all once you've leveled up your characters.

[austere pine]

not level 1

some higher level but not 1. you don't even get armory at lvl 1

[severe jolt]

Right, my bad. It's been a long time since I had to level a character. But the point is, you can get 500 rated weapons from there by completing contracts, even if your weapon mastery isn't up to speed.

[tall torrent]

neither is good at horde clear

[glacial mist]

Just speaking in relative with the other bayo

Im sure it wont wholesale replacing a melee wep

[jaunty tinsel]

what melee weapons would you guys say synergize with recon best?

[austere pine]

something that can deal with carapace

i use power sword or chain axe

[jaunty tinsel]

i have onslaught

[austere pine]

i don't like onslaught but in that case, something that can deal with hordes

power sword, combat axe, dword...

[tame lodge]

Do you have Onslaught? Yes? Weapons that can horde

No? Single target weapons

Rashad and power sword fit both horde and single target

[calm shard]

the point still stands

onslaught gives the recon mediocre carapace damage

not good carapace damage

[umbral scaffold]

I hate veteran

[jaunty tinsel]

what is d word?

[austere pine]

dueling sword, sorry

type too fast

[jaunty tinsel]

how do you like to build ur power sword?

[tame lodge]

Carapace Elites

Power Cycler

Brutal Momentum

Cleave Targets dump stat

[jaunty tinsel]

thanks

[faint beacon]

Unless it’s havoc

Then fuck you

[tame lodge]

I'm powerswordering

[faint beacon]

Only PS

[sonic kayak]

Only PostScript?

[amber mortar]

damn that new skin looks great

[calm shard]

which one?

[amber mortar]

orla Sendrin

[sonic kayak]

You look great

[amber mortar]

[jaunty tinsel]

whats the highest toughness % curio you guys have found?

[sonic kayak]

Highest it goes is 17%

[tame lodge]

Why's no one mentioning the commissar cap on vets normal rotation

[pseudo fiber]

It's a new one I think

[charred pulsar]

So having combat axe on vet is bad? cause you know, no unccany strike

[hollow ibex]

nah rashad is still one of the strongest vet melees in the game in auric/AM

[charred pulsar]

Oh nice

[tame lodge]

Rashad is like

Top 3 vet weapon

[orchid hemlock]

IG by that logic

Shovel should also be good

[sharp epoch]

I feel like uncanny interaction might be removed soon

[charred pulsar]

Hey fellas, bolter build with rashad, got 2 points left, where should I invest em?

Should get bring it down?

Or pick +elite dmg and some thoughness?

[orchid hemlock]

I'm terrified to see what the top of the build looks like 😓

[charred pulsar]

Why tho

[tall torrent]

with this u may as well just play plasma

boltgun wants more dedicated spec

[orchid hemlock]

No reloading nodes

Without damage and reload, bolt gun is a just a worse version of the plasma

[tall torrent]

u can start by not going WS for boltgun

[charred pulsar]

And then

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d69293a-2b68-4cb2-b221-c5f5493fd880/bolt-deez-nutts?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

drop rashad

because rashad wants dedicated melee spec

and boltgun wants dedicated range spec

u can't get both

[charred pulsar]

Sad, don't want to mess up my fashion

Was using the toothpick but looks bad on the heavy armor

[orchid hemlock]

Just take Power Sword

[charred pulsar]

Too slow, plus got no decent skin that mix with this set

Think Ill mix match other fashion and see how it goes

[frank basin]

Heavy armor mentioned

[frank basin]

Wanna try the shock maul?

[orchid hemlock]

If u want to play driptide, get the weapon mod

[frank basin]

Weapon customization

Fun

[charred pulsar]

Tenno?

[charred pulsar]

Is it decent?

[frank basin]

I never tried it, I seen people talked about it

[charred pulsar]

I like to roleplay with the skins but I'm not willing to sacrifice too much effectiveness in battle

Ayy

[frank basin]

Is not good for high density horde

[charred pulsar]

But I don't think I have anything for it

[frank basin]

But great armored target

[charred pulsar]

Hmmmmm sounds decent tbh

[frank basin]

That what it is

It can shock the target

Good for rager

They’ll stun

For one only

[charred pulsar]

Mhmmm

Default skin for shock maul seems to be black/ with little olive details?

Colorblind can't tell

[frank basin]

Try use weapon customization

The mod

[charred pulsar]

Hey hey even default one is pretty decent plus it goes well with the armor

[frank basin]

Test in psykanium

See how it combat

[charred pulsar]

On it, so following folk recomendations I need something that needs no dedicated nodes hmmm

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh, people who try to play driptide is the reason why everyone takes CS on Vet in my Havoc games

[charred pulsar]

So this weapon sins from the same issues as chainsword with that special

[frank basin]

It shocks the target when use the special

You don’t have to perform every time

Just smack on head and they’ll die

[charred pulsar]

Actually I think I got an idea

Havoc folk are too meta whore and I get it, but some of these weapons are dang weakkk

Will buy 500 hundred of these and level up, then see how it goes

[tame lodge]

Shock Mauls are incredibly

Mid

They literally only struggles against monstrosities

And yet

Mid

💀

[orchid hemlock]

Hey there is one situation that power maul does well in

Bullwalks

That's automatically better than CS in my books

[calm shard]

and ragers

which is probably the bigger reason

[orchid hemlock]

It doesn't if u take an impact blessing

[calm shard]

overheads with literally the same animation as combat axe heavies

[tame lodge]

Hammerblow sits Ragers

[calm shard]

doesn';t stagger ragers by default

[orchid hemlock]

PS at default is also trash 😈

[tame lodge]

That's like

A lot of weapons

And by default

It stuns ragers

So which one is it

😭

It also has 11 cleave on most attacks

How's this weapon mid

😭

[calm shard]

it just is

[frank monolith]

Oh ye btw hoe mich eill the new class cost

How much will

[random marten]

12:99$ I think

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's $11.99

[frank monolith]

Thanks

[summer tundra]

FOR THE EMPERRO!!!

[inland glade]

Does exec stance give suppression immunity?

ty pooks

[static temple]

Hi folks. Is chain sword still viable option or should i stick to Shovel?

[tame lodge]

None

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-stare-king-von-otuka---skin-stare-lightning-gif-9748824043019156547

[narrow frost]

Use whatever you want, Chain sword does underperform compared to some other weapons

but its a funny weapon

[static temple]

and what is current meta if playing with Weapon Specialist? (its for a friend)

[calm shard]

all other weapons imo

even other low tiers don't have it as hard as chainsword does

[static temple]

lol. Weren't they meta a few patches back?

[tame lodge]

"Few" and it's like years ago

💀

[static temple]

yeah) last time I played

[tame lodge]

[harsh ridge]

is Duck and Dive any good?

[green willow]

which braced autogun does the most dps?

[hollow ibex]

Graia

[hollow ibex]

Niche

[green willow]

neat. blessings?

[hollow ibex]

Really only used with deadshot

[hollow ibex]

I’d check the guide in the pins

Covers everything

[faint beacon]

King von once said end gun violence

[vast whale]

Welp

Just hit 5500 penance points finally

Still stand by the thought that this armor is ugly as sin and has no business being this bad

[wanton vapor]

What, the loyal 6th armor?

[stoic thorn]

KING VON???

[stoic thorn]

King Von is such an advocate for peace

Fly low king von

[pallid jetty]

what does it even do

ah fuck the chat didnt scroll for me

sorry

[orchid hemlock]

Chain sword was never meta

You talking about the beta or something?

[faint beacon]

He’s looking up at us right now 🥀

[vast whale]

Yeah

[wanton vapor]

I really like the chest armor

Also I just think the pre-traitor 6th was badass

[stoic thorn]

Why does a cult boss keep spawning on the skulls mission of dark communium

[static temple]

no... Some time ago it was very decent

maybe a year back ish

[slow spade]

He's just rude like that

[stoic thorn]

Like

At the start of the mission

He appeared

We beat the shit out of him

But I checked my scoreboard and noone did boss damage at all

Later between 1st and 2nd medicae

This exact same fucker appeared

[topaz lance]

If I interpret it correctly, the new class announcement basically means we're not gonna get the free new vet weapons they promised anytime soon. That's kinda diappointing.

[harsh ridge]

when were these promised?

and how do you know we wont be getting them on the day of the update itself?

[topaz lance]

when the other classes got new weapons, was this in Feb/March or late last year? Don't remember. edit: It was last year.

[topaz lance]

Cause they don't mention anything about them. WIth FS it's if it isn't explicitely mentioned, don't expect it to be there.

[vapid thunder]

fs hates chain weapons 😭

even evisc is powercrept

[topaz lance]

FS hates balancing. Haven't touched the game in months now because they refuse to roll out a much needed balance overhaul. OP stuff left and right.

FS, nerf VoC already for the emperors sake.

[vapid thunder]

whats voc

[stoic thorn]

Vommand of Coice

[vapid thunder]

oh yh veteran having 0 ability variety does get old

[stoic thorn]

I just want Exe Stance to get toughness back on killing people

[vapid thunder]

especially when the highlighting enemy elite one is so much more fun

[frank basin]

i miss the reload full on ability cast 😔

[stoic thorn]

I've got a mod that plays kick-start my heart when I activate exe stance its so fun

[frank basin]

like the dead-eyes?

[stoic thorn]

What

Its just fun hearing one of my favourite songs as I blast people with the Plasma Gun

[frank basin]

dead-eyes from reddead make cool

[stoic thorn]

There's also a mod that plays the fart sound whenever you use the ogryn taunt

[stoic thorn]

It's so

Fucking funny

[frank ledge]

There's also a mod that replaces zealot book with rock

[frank basin]

the rock shrine thee

[harsh ridge]

ah, fair enough. I don't entirely remember

[pseudo fiber]

It was December last year hehe we've only had to wait 6 months

[scenic kestrel]

Am i the only one that find it wierd that the Elbows plates of the "Orla Sendrin" Armor Bundle are painted green instead of black like the rest of the armor's carapace?

[thin stone]

Veteran should be tall or short?

[grand perch]

if youre tall you can hit bulwarks head over their shield

[thin stone]

Oh

[torpid sundial]

If exec stance suppresses or pushes back enemies around you whenever you kill a highlighted target would be really fun

Also buff helbore when

[unreal nova]

Short can hide behind cover better, but makes certain shots harder or impossible. Taller trades always being shot at on lower cover for the ability to bonk bigger things on head easier. Or poke bosses heds easier.

[thin stone]

ok

[unreal nova]

Some say med-tall is better, to your taste.

[dawn garnet]

@tall torrent what if vet gets melta charges and smokes are moved to arbities

[frank mantle]

Daily reminder that the game was made for 4 veteran runs

the closest we'll get to kino

[queen sky]

To add to what others have said, minheight vets can effectively use the firing slits on the prefab emplacement pieces

This can lead to funny situations where you can run up to it and gun down heretics on the other side trying to use it as cover

[spark cipher]

5'11 vs 6' gaming

[odd sparrow]

having the height to land weakspot hits in melee a bit easier is very nice tho

[amber sapphire]

i like minimum height cause when i play with friends they always start laughing at my stupid manlet

[thin minnow]

Is hellbore and shovel combo really that bad?

[quiet valley]

no

ppl just can't aim with the Helbore

[lusty ether]

hellbore has poopy sights

[quiet valley]

case in point

[lusty ether]

I like the vigilant well enough

it has mildly better sights

[quiet valley]

You only need like a 65% accuracy rating with something like the MKIV Helbore to put out good damage

[lusty ether]

plenty of people mod in replacement sights

I also like all the other high accuracy weapons

revolver is nice

popping heads with heavy laspistol is nice

hellbore just has poopy sights

[quiet valley]

Revolver isnt a high accuracy weapon, the hitboxes for that thing are huge af

[lusty ether]

I'm just going by gameplay.

I'm not sitting here analysing hitboxes so that I can tell other people they suck.

[quiet valley]

Well the reason a lot of people hate the helbore is because they suck

[thin minnow]

I wanna try the hellbore and shovel combo for u know what

[lusty ether]

And the reason lots of people like to categorise other people as bad, on the internet, is because they lack meaningful physical relationships.

Sweeping generalisations are fun.

[quiet valley]

Its a weapon comparison not a therapy session lmao

[thin minnow]

I WOULD put on replacement sights but

Modification mod pretty much disables skins

[quiet valley]

MKIV has the best irons

[thin minnow]

So I get stuck with ugly weapon colors

[quiet valley]

although all of the irons are fine

[thin minnow]

I will see for myself when I level up the vet then

[lusty ether]

I thought we were just making bullshit unsupported guesses.

[thin minnow]

What about the shovel? Is it as good as combat axe?

[lusty ether]

As good as? Probably not.

[thin minnow]

I know shovel isn't their main melee but it is the most fitting one

[lusty ether]

It's fun, though.

[thin minnow]

No brutal momentum?

Any cleave perks at all?

[lusty ether]

Shovel is more of a light attack spam, click a head per swing, kinda thing.

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef3448c-aeb0-4b36-bf2c-9a2568a510ff/auric-krieg?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[lusty ether]

But the heavies cleave pretty alright, at least for crowd control.

[quiet valley]

Here's a generic Helbore shovel build for Auric

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[quiet valley]

This is a H40 build for the MKIV, although this is much harder to play than the previous build

[thin minnow]

I dont wanna copy the build of someone else right off the bat

I wanna see what is good and pick those and spend the rest on whatever

Krak grenades suck right?

[quiet valley]

Well you can gleam some ideas off it if you'd like

Kraks are fine on reg auric board

[unreal nova]

Shovel is, you want CC or you want to delete crushers.

[thin minnow]

Not good against hordes?

[unreal nova]

7 just feels bad.

[unreal nova]

CC hordes.

[thin minnow]

Oh crowd control

I usually associate CC with stun lol

Which mark is that

[unreal nova]

Mk 1 is control everything, bully ragers.

[quiet valley]

The MK1 Shovel deletes trash hordes on reg auric

[unreal nova]

Mk 3 is 1 shot crushers funni.

[quiet valley]

What

Ok edited

[thin minnow]

Mk1 then

Using hellbore without a cc melee would be stupid

[unreal nova]

Mk 7 is bastard child that does both but far worse.

Cos if you build it to 1 shot crushers, it does it slower.

If you build it to CC, you lack the Mk 1 special CC bulli.

[thin minnow]

Special?

What does it do?

[unreal nova]

Mk 1?

Quick poke.

[thin minnow]

Just stagger?

[unreal nova]

See dueling sword poke but bigger AoE.

[thin minnow]

Ah

Can it open up bulwarks?

Wish I could pick krieg as the home planet

Cadia isn't in the moebian domain is it why tf is it an option

[unreal nova]

You can test that yourself tbh.

[tame lodge]

Rashad Axe is S tier
Antax Axe is A tier
Shovel is low B tier

[unreal nova]

I just know it bulli ragers to heck

[thin minnow]

Rashad axe is just peak

Mornax is the closest to krieg I guess

Branx magna looks like Cybertron

[unreal nova]

Popular option, I guess.

[thin minnow]

I guess there are so many cadians that there being a bunch that get arrested on the moebian domain makes sense

[unreal nova]

Is why they get a full voice as well.

[thin minnow]

Just pure fanservice

Which voice fits krieg best?

[unreal nova]

None. I expect them to sound like pyro.

Flees.

[thin minnow]

sadly not an option...

why are eyebrows in this game so fucking ugly

help me pick a hair for my kriegsman

i guess buzzcut fits veteran best

[unreal nova]

Wat hair? Don't you gas mask?

[thin minnow]

i will

but the one i want wont be in shop for a while

and i still wanna look good underneath lol

kriegsmen can have rizz

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-shane-head-rub-gif-3795134740713974200

[thin minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-shane-head-rub-buzzcut-gif-27574364

[unreal nova]

[thin minnow]

professional would be good

[fading yarrow]

Death Korps of Krizz

I'll see myself out

[thin minnow]

now a kriegsman

would do absoultely none of these

i guess misplaced faith is the most reasonable one everything else is army related

or sedition

meh these make no effect anyway fuck it

[unreal nova]

Pick for colour, duh.

[thin minnow]

yeah

i just wont use eyebrow i guess ngl

[unreal nova]

Till they let you buy them all.

[thin minnow]

but i do wanna have a 5oclock shadow...

they look shit anyay

[unreal nova]

Such an easy commisary thing but newp.

[thin minnow]

woman is a traitor even as a servitor she cant do shit smh

[faint beacon]

Remember that a decent chunk of rejects were also falsely accused and arrested, so you can take that into consideration

[thin minnow]

does this backpack fit?

[thin minnow]

hmm true

[thin minnow]

the krieg outfit

cant really find a black or brown one

yeaah it looks fine

[dry cloak]

can someone give me 3 fully build shovel cards?

what goes on each one

[thin minnow]

how?

[dry cloak]

please and thank you

[thin minnow]

oh

[dry cloak]

this but fully filled out with proper dump stat

[thin minnow]

but why?

[dry cloak]

i need for a friend thats new

and dont want him to be buried in info

his on shovel + inflasgun stage

[thin minnow]

that stage lasts like 2 hours at worst

they will get other things way before they can start upgrading or rolling for a perfect one lmao

fuck i have 1900 aquilas left

meh it is fine

[dry cloak]

the already have 2 perfect one stat wise

and they just want this info

but if no then oh well

[thin minnow]

now just need a good helmet

[thin minnow]

oh wow

thats REALLY lucky

i know the dump is mobility

but blessings someone else would have to answer

[dry cloak]

aye thanks

and both from mission drops if im not mistaken

[thin minnow]

that is quite lucky

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-dropping-phone-gif-26048740

[dry cloak]

they have more luck than intelect

[thin minnow]

play ogryn

i did get some perfect guns as mission reward

[dry cloak]

i do

[thin minnow]

but nothing that early

[dry cloak]

they got lvl 30 vet today

still teaching them the ropes on malice

hopefully will play heresy tommorow

[fading yarrow]

How come you don't want to use the normal Krieger helmet?

You could also go for Arlo Tohmasson's helmet or the Steel Legion helmet ig

[faint beacon]

@dry cloak For what all 3 marks?

[dry cloak]

of shovle for vet

[faint beacon]

cause he should focus the Mk1 the most

but hold on

[dry cloak]

he wanted to try them

i wont stop him

[dry cloak]

aye thanks

[faint beacon]

Mk1 has more leeway but Mk3 is Uncanny Thrust, Mk7 Uncanny Deci

[thin minnow]

wtf is the folding for?

how does that work with skins lmao

[hollow ibex]

what are folding shovels but defective standard shovels

[steel lagoon]

Not well, you have to exploit a bug to put a non-folding skin on a folding shovel

[thin minnow]

why do u need to use a bug to put on a skin you bought

what does folding even do lmao

make u faster?

7 does sound fun

[hollow ibex]

one-shot crushers

but standard shovel is still the best shovel mark

[thin minnow]

how does folding a shovel damage anything?

[hollow ibex]

wdym 🤔

[thin minnow]

how does folding a shovel make it any stronger or do anything different

i will use mark 1 cuz that has the skin i want

[hollow ibex]

folding lets it do a lot of single target damage

[thin minnow]

how does this do more damage

[faint beacon]

They slam that small sharp end into someone's skull

even though you're not supposed too cause that would destroy the shovel, but video games

[thin minnow]

Ah that part

[hollow ibex]

don't think too much about WH logic

[fading yarrow]

It's not even particularly illogical though

[crude fiber]

Ogryn does a silly and still uses the normal end tho

[fading yarrow]

It just concentrates the force onto one point like the pick of a real warhammer, and everything's made of durable materials like Plasteel and Diamantine so it's able to withstand the force

[sweet pivot]

dont forget the serration

tsk

[lusty ether]

actual fixed entrenching tools do exist

[faint beacon]

Yeah this is why its done, its with the same idea of Ippon Ken where you're purposely putting all your force into one small point for maximum damage

Admittedly with a sapper shovel

it would shatter after like 10 times of doing that

[lusty ether]

I would be surprised if it didn't immediately break the pivot point

but yeah

only thing is that several other weapons have what amounts to spikes on them

[thin minnow]

this is so cool

thats just a pickaxe with a shovel lmao

[lusty ether]

and none of them are like uber weapons

[lusty ether]

it's an entrenching tool

[faint beacon]

Honestly surprised the sapper shovels dont have the same mechanic that Chain weapons have

[lusty ether]

it is for hacking up ground to dig trenches

[thin minnow]

yeah but you can see it

[faint beacon]

if you Special attack an enemy you can cancel the lock on via Dodging

[thin minnow]

it is just a shovel end

welded onto a pickaxe

it works i suppose

[lusty ether]

a shovel is just a dirt axe

[thin minnow]

who came up with that i wonder

[lusty ether]

use heavy axe blade to cut ground

[hollow ibex]

right... just don't think about how an improvised warpick is supposed to penetrate the heaviest plate armor in the game...

[fading yarrow]

I always use the basic shovel, do sapper shovel special attacks hold you in place?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[lusty ether]

no

[hollow ibex]

not as long as chain weapon tho

[lusty ether]

they're just downwards swings

[hollow ibex]

no they latch on

[faint beacon]

Yes

[lusty ether]

huh

[faint beacon]

they latch on like chainswords

[lusty ether]

TIL

[faint beacon]

issue

Chainswords at the cost of Dodging

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty quick still

[faint beacon]

you can pull out if you get swarmed

[hollow ibex]

chain weapons take forever

[faint beacon]

however Sapper shovels

you have to commit

[fading yarrow]

It would be very funny if a fourth person can drop in to say "no"

[faint beacon]

So you're fucked if ragers swarm you when you land a Folded Strike

[lusty ether]

I usually use the non foldy shovel on vet

ogryn latrine brute brainer is nice though

[faint beacon]

Mk1 is the best variant

a lot of the other variants like

Secrets of the Machine God

everything before that is relatively weak

but obviously there's outliers

[lusty ether]

does the ogryn folding shovel also do lockon?

[fading yarrow]

Luv me Mk1 (also the best due to the Krieg skin)

[lusty ether]

because it has never felt like that, to me

and I figured it worked the same as vet, which I don't usually bother using

[faint beacon]

Nope

its more it pierces through fully or bounces off

[lusty ether]

that makes more sense, then

[hollow ibex]

yup, only vet suffers

[faint beacon]

its why you see Ogryns with their Foldables

Vet's Foldables are mediocre

Honestly the Breakpoint class thats why you see a lot of people say

weapons are bad

is cause its too costly to get it into a Breakpoint, or it just needs too much point investment to make usable

[red robin]

oi

what's dump stat on infantry las?

mobility or stability?

[tame lodge]

Mobility

You definitely want to keep the Ilas on control

[red robin]

oyes ty

in an insane world

could i dump ammo if i wanted both mobility and stability

or is the spread reduction on moving not that worth it to dump ammo for it

[hollow ibex]

why would you need mobility

[mild oxide]

During the last weapon drop all the other classes got something but vets, weren't we meant to be getting something to make up for that later this year or am I misremembering.

[hollow ibex]

yes

[slow spade]

dual power swords

trust me

[rough stream]

dual chain axes. becomes what you hate the most: a rager

[sweet pivot]

what does weapon mastery do

[hollow ibex]

lets you unlock blessings

switch marks

and upgrade the weapon itself

[sweet pivot]

oh i like that

thats new