veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Don’t get me wrong still very excited for a 5th class I’m just still concerned for Zealot and Vet

[last pewter]

depends on your playstyle, as Veteran has a lot of options, how would you like to play 'em? what weapons do you like?

[heavy rover]

Imagine if we get vet and zealot changes to drop alongside the arbites class

[faint beacon]

Never talking shit about Fatshark again

[bleak tendon]

honestly i feel like we should

[faint beacon]

I doubt it will happen cause that’s a LOT of work load

However Arbites and Weapon buffs for human classes?

That’s my expectations

[bleak tendon]

im sure there has been balance changes on premium class updates in vermintide if i bother looking

[faint beacon]

I don’t even care for new weapons anymore

[bleak tendon]

NUH UH new psyker staff

[faint beacon]

I just think the weaker weapons need tweaking atp

[calm shard]

why even need to look

[torpid pike]

Actually I use the chainsword and the boltgun

[calm shard]

just remember that sister of the thorn exists

[bleak tendon]

oh did they rebalance classes?

[calm shard]

broken as shit on release nerfed and is now balanced and nobody plays them anymore because of it

[bleak tendon]

oh i dont mean that

[calm shard]

outcast engineer got buffed to be pretty good when they were god awful on release

grail knight got nerfed to a reasonable state

[bleak tendon]

i mean as in they rebalanced some other classes WHEN a premium update dropped

[calm shard]

oh

[bleak tendon]

all good :)

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
Like do you want something specific or

Any preferences

[sharp epoch]

i just know arbites gonna be op as shit when it comes out

[narrow frost]

we'll see if they change them

[zealous prawn]

Usual Fatshark moment

[torpid pike]

I like being able to eliminate special and armored enemies quickly

[sharp epoch]

its normal every dev moment especially for a paid dlc character

[torpid pike]

I play with chainsword and boltgun

[atomic zephyr]

I just want the shield and shotgun

[zealous prawn]

true.

[atomic zephyr]

During my risk of rain returns stint i mained the enforcer

i want that in DT

[heavy rover]

Risk of rain mentioned? Bungus binted

[calm shard]

sure, but like is it really gonna be more busted than ogrynheimer or psyker?

[tame lodge]

Oh so a exec stance build

[hollow ibex]

We will find out late June

[sharp epoch]

probably or theyll nerf ogryn before it comes out

[zealous prawn]

cant wait for 4x arbites squads all named Judge Dredd, or some combination of that

[faint beacon]

It’s inevitable

I need to listen to the voices to decide what character I should make

Either it be something original or a game/media reference

[sharp epoch]

steve

[faint beacon]

Minecraft Steve

[hollow ibex]

Trying to think of names for an arbites character

Hmm

How about StopResisting

[torpid pike]

I search for it on Google like that?

[tame lodge]

Uh no

Gimme a sec

[faint beacon]

If one even remotely comes with a gas mask set up

I’m just defaulting to Cloaker-PD2

[void gyro]

I'm thinking RichEvans or SpaceCop

[torpid pike]

Sure, ty bro

[pseudo fiber]

Gotta think of a name for the dog too

[tame lodge]

This is our guide's writer bolter build

No exec though

[torpid pike]

Nice, looks like the build Im doing rn

[tame lodge]

There's also this one

Bolter with a side of grenades

[torpid pike]

Cool bro, the Emperor bless u

[hollow ibex]

2 points for the reload talent

🤮

[tame lodge]

I don't make the builds

Just roll with them

(allegedly that one is a havoc build)

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[finite cobalt]

havent playd the game in a while, see you can get free mtx money, how hard is it to get? Hard, long?

[tame lodge]

Uh

This is like the first time you can get Aquillas for free

And it's by completing the event

Look at the mission board and play missions with the insignia on it

[loud belfry]

how many skulls per auric damnation non mael

[tame lodge]

People are reporting 1k per game

So around 12 matches and you should complete

[torn gorge]

1k seems on the high end

[quaint marsh]

Free aquilas regularly would be legendary

[misty lance]

is this vorth it?

[uncut pebble]

Ok but what's with the two points underneath kraks and smokes?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[misty lance]

do this keystone do much difference?

[uncut pebble]

The good node of focus target is redirect fire, the other two are very circumstantial.

[heavy rover]

8 stack isn't that worth it imo

[uncut pebble]

Redirect fire is just free damage for using your keystone.

8 stacks don't really change breakpoints

[heavy rover]

You'll be switching targets often so you won't reach 8 stacks frequently in the middle of a fight

[tame lodge]

Considering that's path build

He's just being more tanky and melee

[uncut pebble]

I mean I don't really wanna question path but like...

2 passives instead of grabbing reciprocity?

[tame lodge]

He's even going for the reduced stamina delay

[uncut pebble]

Or, hell, tinkerer and demo team?

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that one is completely understandable, vets stamina delay is super cheeks.

[jaunty herald]

I want to ask if there is any word of Veteran receiving any new weapon(s) mentioned from the Grim Protocols update (November 2024)?

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/grim-protocols-new-weapons-dev-blog/101927

[pseudo fiber]

as of right now no

but they did give themselves an entire year lol

[jaunty herald]

[quiet valley]

Why not grab Target Down for better stam eco than the small 0.25 node

[loud belfry]

I wonder how long until gemini can be asked to make darktide builds

[jaunty herald]

ObeseFish giving Vets the meltagun on December 31, 2025 at 11:59:59

[jaunty tinsel]

does the map matter for the special event

or is it only in that one dark communion one or something

[jaunty herald]

nope, just collect skulls

from kills and random shrines

[jaunty tinsel]

those $2.50 worth of aquilas are as good as mine

[tame lodge]

I mean
The small node doesn't need yellow targets

While yes every place is littered with them

I'd like the surety of the small node over conditional

[quiet valley]

It’s a preference thing I guess but 95% of engagements there’s multiple markable targets

[tame lodge]

At the end I take both

[thin minnow]

Any good recon lasgun marks?

And what do I bring with infernus

Deathspitter or dumdum

[quiet valley]

Infernus/Dum Dum

The Best marks in order are the XII, XIV, and VIc

[tame lodge]

Dumdum

[serene bough]

Rejoice

We have cyber puppers

[quiet valley]

Vet died for this

[jaunty tinsel]

how long has this been the case?

i thought VIc was king

[tame lodge]

Here's the thing

Vlc was Mk2 before

And Mk2 was an underperformer

Since the big nerf iirc

[jaunty tinsel]

we're talking about the Green one right

[tame lodge]

But VId (now XII) was the popular brrrrrr one

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah i remember the green one being the best one and the blue was actually mediocre

[warm idol]

man the new armor is legit sick but it's depressing how zealot gets a full helmet/mask but vet gets stuck with an open mouth

I wish I could use the zealot helm on vet

[calm shard]

the better to kiss you with

[warm idol]

I also wonder if some of the arbites weapons will be available for vet or if vet will get new weapons soon

[pseudo fiber]

arbites weapons are exclusive to the class

[faint beacon]

Well an Arbite-Class channel is bound to happen

[quiet valley]

Vet rework 2027

[faint beacon]

How long you guys think it’ll take till we witness unhinged shit

The moment that class channel pops up

An hour? Two?

[elder fiber]

10 minutes until permabans and slow mode

[faint beacon]

Sarah coming in with an undeniable truth nuke

I was thinking like 20 minutes

Till something incredibly unhinged gets said and a purge immediately happens lmao

[void dragon]

2038

[formal ice]

2050

[quick seal]

Is this a sale?

[void dragon]

Hush rat, that's when they will release the felinid class (will cost 9.99 Dola)

[quick seal]

I don't remember it ever being sold before. Is it saying that it was usually sold at 640 aquilas but now it's being sold for 500 aquilas? Because I cannot seem to recall it ever being sold at 640 previously

[last marten]

moment i join

female arbiter dog mom jokes

😼

[calm shard]

technically yes

these "new" skins are alternate variants of popular old skins

[quick seal]

what

[faint beacon]

Renames

[quick seal]

What is the Sable-Sun a retexture of?

It looks like , to me, just a retexture of the base game commisary skins.

[calm shard]

kind of

[quick seal]

uhh idk

[calm shard]

mannheims uses a different model, but the premise of blck plasma gun is the same

[faint beacon]

Oh they have very small edits to them

[quick seal]

sable-sun isn't even black lol

[faint beacon]

Honestly

Cut Throat goes hard

[quick seal]

Direshade is Night-eagle with "110" written on it. The cut-throat is just the black chainaxe skin with "110" written on it
Sable-sun is a different model to Mannheim's Fury, and is not black and does not have 110 written on it

[quick seal]

idk who designed the 110th theming but they didn't bother carrying it to the veteran

[balmy flume]

God damn it, I find myself surprisingly drawn to that green and black uniform now available…

[warm idol]

the armor is great but I wish the helm had a rebreather on it

still longing for cadian style rebreather+helm combo

[quick seal]

yep that'd look great

[balmy flume]

I am basically going to cheat and use the Havoc penance black helmet on that

Since black is a magic “goes with anything” colour…

[warm idol]

I wish the havoc/penance helm had a proper visor instead of those eye slits

[quick seal]

I look so great with For The Drip mod but I wish everyone could see it :-\

the mod does recolors so well

[balmy flume]

Drip for the drip god!

It does clip a wee bit when doing head nods but hot damn

(Still on preview mind you)

[void dragon]

A good fit for the grenadier vet

[tall torrent]

It is

[quick seal]

that sucks

[tall torrent]

This skin has hand clipping with flask when reloading

[quick seal]

maybe lowkey illegal too

[tall torrent]

I sorta like it cuz it fits any cosmetic set

[balmy flume]

So does anyone mind helping me identify

What is the final tier reward for the current special event?

It is 500…something.

[tame lodge]

Aquillas

Aka money for premium shop

[balmy flume]

…they.
They actually listened
Oh my shit this is actually going to be a thing now.
Well time to get grinding lol!

Time to wreck some Nurgle shit

[tame lodge]

Don't forget to get the right modifiers

[iron silo]

Oh my shit this is actually going to be a thing now.
Hopefully

[calm shard]

world first fatshark event actually worth completing

[warm idol]

it seems to be around or at least close to 1k skulls per mission

so not a bad grind all things considered

[plain osprey]

How i feel using the hellbore:

What i am actually doing:

[fading yarrow]

The Mourningstar is so bright you'd think the Emperor himself was passing through

[pulsar radish]

its how i feel using the hip fire revolver

[quick seal]

what are the right modifiers?

[quick seal]

What is in the shop that I can buy for 500 aquilas?

or is the intent to wait for the next event

[hollow ibex]

Discounted weapon skins

[pseudo fiber]

The one with the inquisitorial I

[quick seal]

oh ok

what do I have to do?

it says "skulls" and something about disrupting ritual

I'm not really sure I understand

[tame cliff]

Youre supposed to punch them wuth it first for good luck obviously

[pseudo fiber]

there are green skulls around the map and enemies drop them

[tame cliff]

Mission mod with an I symbol

[pseudo fiber]

press e to break them

and then there are green pillars to break

and they give you 250

[quick seal]

oh ok I'll keep an eye out

they spawn in random locations? So it's just like the last one where I have to use the hacking minigame to line up the sine wave

they just spawn randomly, so keep an eye out..?

[quick seal]

I know, I miss so often with these revolvers. I wish there was a scoped revolver. Good thing there's one coming in the future.

[pseudo fiber]

They;re everywhere

you'll see them don't worry

and the pillars are huge and glow green

[faint beacon]

I’m slowly molding away seeing there is still a distinct lack of vigilant skins

[slow spade]

I wish you could just walk over them

but it's not that distracting I guess

[red robin]

so uh

is it just the new class as an update?

or is there a content update too?

new maps or weps or nah?

[hollow ibex]

There’s an update too but nothing I care about has been announced

They said they’re improving new player experience

https://tenor.com/view/myfield-barren-fucks-i-give-gif-14948396

[faint beacon]

To be fair it’s working

My friend who hasn’t touched the game since before the class reworks is getting hooked

[fading yarrow]

Noob experience rework so good it's working even before implementation

[hollow ibex]

Yeah the rework hasn’t come yet unless you count mortis trials?

[faint beacon]

Difficulty rework so good it hasn’t even come out yet and people are already loving it

Honestly I’m bummed we’re not getting weapon buffs

[fading yarrow]

Ngl I cannot wait for both of these things

[faint beacon]

But ehh

We have Fall I guess

[fading yarrow]

Well don't be too hasty, we don't know that yet

Unless they've said as much

[faint beacon]

I’m still pumped for a 5th class

Don’t get me wrong

That alone is making me not severely disappointed lmao

Cause I already know that easily was like a years worth of making

Easily

[slow spade]

I'm disappointed it wasn't a space marine 😔

Omg imagine more ultramarines guys 😩

[stoic thorn]

Just IMAGINE

MORE 2ND COMPANY ULTRAMARINES

[hollow ibex]

Did they rule that out?

[faint beacon]

Seeing we’re a month away unsure but till I see “oh we’re buffing weapons also”

I’m assuming nothing ever happens

[hollow ibex]

True

[void dragon]

Can someone fact check me if Im crazy but the mk1 shovel feels oddly competitive but only if bleeding is involved in its damage, comparing it to a combat blade feels a little slower but without it the ttk just feels like an eternity

[calm shard]

safe bet with fatshark

[void dragon]

Is quite possible that the patch bring some balance buffs for underperforming weapons, is a good chance to make changes I guess

[hollow ibex]

Hopium

[fading yarrow]

Hang in there brother
We'll get our Scout Marine next ✊

[elder fiber]

"imagine" and "ultramarines" don't belong in the same sentence

[calm shard]

not devils claw

obviously the weapon is good since everyone uses it in malice /s

[void dragon]

"Truly the perfect weapon to balance every other melee option"
-ObeseFish

I do wonder if this new class will prove to be a good idea for FS, if we will get more factions and if so, which ones?

[pseudo fiber]

I mean

they picked good with the inquisition they can get anyone

[calm shard]

could even get xenos if they aren't bitches

[fading yarrow]

There are very few xenos who aren't bitches

So I welcome the sixth class, Jokaero

[calm shard]

no I mean if GW/Fatshark aren't bitches

we could have playable xenos in the FAR FUTURE

or like

[tall torrent]

Steve the flayed one

[calm shard]

xenos weapons

It is the inquisition they got that shit around

probably

[tall torrent]

Just get a veteran named Steve

And give him necron weapons

[calm shard]

yeah

nothing can go wrong

[pseudo fiber]

"Holy shit" - Inquisitor Grendyl

I mean the deathwatch use necron weapons

Which is really... hypocritical actually

[elder fiber]

hypocrisy, in my fascist society?!?

[slow spade]

"Gee why did Inquisitor Grendel give you a power claw Steve!"

[tame lodge]

Up your vets lore (xenos) so you can use elf weapons

[tall torrent]

They’re cringe

[tame lodge]

I mean

The rifles and shit are

[tall torrent]

Drukhari is basically just stat stick

[tame lodge]

But the snipers

Hoo boy the snipers

[tall torrent]

Overrated and not needed

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[tall torrent]

Blessed bolter casing + precision bolter + confident approach + wildfire

[tame lodge]

Bold words for someone in 36+ cells

[tall torrent]

What fight is even 36+ cells

[tame lodge]

All of them

[tall torrent]

There’s like

[tame lodge]

(depends where you start)

[tall torrent]

1 fight in the entire game where snipers matter

And it’s act 1 final

[fading yarrow]

Not really
It's not xenos tech that's the issue, it's the xenos themselves. When they have useful stuff, the Imperium use it

[tall torrent]

That 1 dude 3 light years away with a sniper

[pseudo fiber]

Fair enough. Maybe it's a matter of perspective

[tame lodge]

Some of those fights you can like go around and get closer to important targets

[tame lodge]

Aurora fight

Where the sniper is more dangerous than Aurora

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s the only fight where snipers matter

As soon as cassia is levelled and you have a competent dps for cleaning up it’s basically over

[tame lodge]

The alternative is walking up to them

[tall torrent]

That +8 veil degradation be crazy

[tame lodge]

It's funny

You can wield a force sword that builds Veil on kills

[fading yarrow]

In an Auric with a Vet who has no title or frame decor

[tame lodge]

And one that quells veil on kills

[fading yarrow]

I'm either cooked or in good hands

[tame lodge]

So you keep alternating with the passive that allows you to attack with both weapons

[tall torrent]

All that when u can just shoot them

[tame lodge]

Had my share of shooting already

You should've seen my second playthrough

[tall torrent]

Cassia is so funny

[tame lodge]

Argenta accidentally killed a boss due to Overpen

On a single burst

💀

[tall torrent]

The fragile princess character having the 2nd highest wounds in the game with highest dodge and AoE damage

And the best buffs & debuffs

And the best ult

Wait wtf

[tame lodge]

Yup that's Cassia

[tall torrent]

Darktide’s arbites trailer is #15 trending for gaming on YT

[tame lodge]

Lemme see if I can find a clip about Argenta

[tame lodge]

Most of the clips are late game though

Might have some spoilers and shit

[tame lodge]

Displacement Cassia is hilarious btw

Ugh
I couldn't find Argentas clip

Maybe it's on the other device

On the other hand

Here's a reason for my bias with snipers

Wanderer Portent

Eye of Hecaton

[tall torrent]

that one is good yea

[tame lodge]

Star Blight

proceeds to talk about all named snipers instead of the generics long las and marksman rifles

[elder vessel]

Wife.

[tame lodge]

Hunting Rifle dealing more damage depending on creatures size

Uh what's the other one

[elder vessel]

June is gonna be the month of Arbites

[tame lodge]

It's like triple damage against 2x2 and larger

Something slayer

[tame cliff]

So trueeee

[sweet pivot]

i just got reminded of this game and i was wondering how hard is it to get good guns

cause i played on launch and i remember i would be scouting for guns to have just the perfect stats and it was the worst

[pseudo fiber]

It's quite easy now

[sweet pivot]

phew

[pseudo fiber]

Literally spend money to get roll you want you win

[sweet pivot]

i played on xbox gamepass but i now just bought it on steam

[pseudo fiber]

the end

[tame lodge]

Well the scouting for stats still similar

[sweet pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1279239783029407754/image.png?ex=683115e3&is=682fc463&hm=352f1a758b4adbd4beafa4efe3704cb83a6641e8ada693675a7a170ff2189d4e&

this was the best thing i had

[tame lodge]

But you don't need find THE perfect gun anymore

[sweet pivot]

fire

[tame cliff]

If you get the mod that lets you use npc classes the game becomes a cake walk even on the hardest difficulty if you play as an eyeball wizard yourself and have cassia

[atomic void]

no more rng

well there's some rng in getting perfect rolls ig

but u can customize everything else

[tame cliff]

Its more like pulling card packs now and less like pulling teeth so i'll take it

[sweet pivot]

im gonna miss out on the drip i bought on xbox

its over

[atomic zephyr]

new mission modifier is crazy

chaos spawn and six tox bombers is annoying

[shell spire]

Im having the time of my life

Sometimes I blow up a barrel just to liven things up

[shadow dagger]

am i stupid or did my mod folder disappear

[golden egret]

The Elysian Stuff has Returned Praise the Emperor : )

[narrow frost]

I ate it

[remote sonnet]

Damn Krak can 1 hit the altar, save so much time.

[narrow frost]

more smoke nade and Dbarrel propaganda

[sweet pivot]

I have a question about acc progress

i played alot on xbox

[narrow frost]

Yeah?

[sweet pivot]

and i just bought it on steam

[slow spade]

don't worry about it, I'll make sure to wipe it for you

[sweet pivot]

can i get my old like account back

cause i originally grinded it all out on xbox gamepass

[narrow frost]

Sadly, no

[sweet pivot]

awww

ok thx

[umbral scaffold]

Is mk 3 shock maul better then Agni overall?

[elder vessel]

Xbox game pass app on PC

Install Darktide on there

get your progress

Works the same other way around

@sweet pivot Acknowledge

HOMER

M8

YOU CAN GET YE SHIT BACK

[sweet pivot]

WHAT

wdym

i played it on xbox gamepass on pc when it came out

i just got it on steam

[elder vessel]

oh wait, you're hopping from Xbox to steam?

[sweet pivot]

i was wondering if i could transfer from xbox to steam

yea

[elder vessel]

I thought you meant Xbox to PC

[sweet pivot]

ah

[elder vessel]

Why the change?

[sweet pivot]

cause i dont have gamepass anymore

and i wanted darktide

[elder vessel]

so just buy Darktide on the Xbox app

or use that money to renew game pass

[sleek garden]

buy it on the xbox app

ask for a refund for the steam version if its early enough

[dim gulch]

Ya reckon we will ever get HotShot Lasguns

[half flax]

What’re the best bistol blessings?

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox + puncture is the default on vet

[jaunty tinsel]

whats dump stat for the XII recon?

is it still stability?

[thin minnow]

Collateral I heard

[quiet valley]

collat

[narrow frost]

collat

[hollow ibex]

realistically prob doesn't matter

between stab, collat, and mob

[rustic beacon]

Did balance change in an way? Haven‘t played since late jan

[austere mica]

Nope

[round jetty]

hope they dont make the arbites a paid class 🥀

[austere mica]

Do they know

[round jetty]

i dont

[austere mica]

12 dollar

[round jetty]

👎

[austere mica]

It’s fine

Adding a 5th class is a great deal harder and more expensive than a 4th

[elder fiber]

obv fatshark should just get their own employees to do VA work for free instead of hiring professionals

[hollow ibex]

lmao

right

kraks can't even stick to cpatains

what a fucking meme

[calm shard]

probably doesn't help with the voice actor strike

and having to get 27 voice actors to voice new lines for the arbites

[grand perch]

?
Wasn't it 6 voices x 2 genders?

So 12

[calm shard]

all of the other classes interacting with the arbites

3 for ogryn

18 for vet+zealot+psyker

[grand perch]

Oh yeah

[elder fiber]

ogryn bully voices psyker loner too but its still a lot of VAs to get back together

[dry cloak]

It 3 voices x 2 genders

[grand perch]

The dog better have 3 voice sets in addition or I'll riot

Ranging from good boy to chihuahua rat

[dry cloak]

We will see

[frail skiff]

The middle one will be overly dramatic husky

[dry cloak]

i would be happy if abites grenade are taken from both vet and zelaot

stuns frags and smokes

[grand perch]

How about a net launcher just so we can show those damn trappers how it feels

[unreal nova]

And then sic puppo on doggos.

[limber karma]

hello, in havoc 40, should I be going for a little toughness as possible?

this is so that it has more chances for damage reduction

toughness regeneration is insane in havoc so i don't need a huge pool imo

[odd sparrow]

Most toughness regen is %based so having more toughness is still beneficial. But you are also generally squishy AF on Havoc 40.

[lean light]

Oh god they gotta get arbites personalities

[odd sparrow]

They wrote that arbites is getting 3 personalities

[grand perch]

-Law
-Lawyer
-Lawyest

[pseudo fiber]

-Judge
-Jury
-Executioner

[lean light]

I AM THE LAWN

[crude wind]

i think people who are complaing about the $12 price tag don't really have an idea of how much money it costs to make an entire new class. Voice actors, animators, coders, art designers and UI people, script writers, concept proofers and good old fashioned developers all need to be paid. That's a substantial cost.

[normal bay]

Compared to a new outfit from the shop, it's a bargain

[crude wind]

Secondly I've seen people compare the price to a Vermintide class price, which is disingenuous. A DT class is 3 classes in one. A VT2 class is a single class

4 x 3 = 12$ so it's costed exactly the same as VT2 when you look at it objectively

[pseudo fiber]

The vermintide ones also didn't include cosmetics which this one does too

[unreal nova]

That's still like $10 with the cosmetics pack.

Also, just wondering if the Imperium edition will come with a new skin for them.

[vernal ermine]

It doesn't stop at the VA of the class alone, you need matching Voicelines with the other classes

[pseudo fiber]

I'm gonna say no

[vernal ermine]

Didn't the guys from deep Rock galactic did this ?

[unreal nova]

Is one guy doing everything.

[vernal ermine]

Based

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it's one guy being pitched up and down hahaah

[vernal ermine]

You could do this with veteran and ogryn Voicelines as well

[grand perch]

Did I hear a Rock and Stone?

[unreal nova]

I was just wondering due to preferring the black weapons and such lul.

[pseudo fiber]

https://youtu.be/CSY11dHkjoM?si=N5BJWP0bZMJWAfmx

[deep sun]

Lawn?

Anyways so we are getting robo cop in the game soon

[balmy flume]

Memes aside I think I can see...

• By the Literal Book.
• Cowboy Cop.
• "Open to monetary bribes" Cop

[deep sun]

Bro the arbites helmets remind me of robo cop bro

[pseudo fiber]

More judgd dredd but hyes

On the 23rd of June

[deep sun]

Ok i see the resemblance

But they get their own stubbers, why arent they getting it

[lean light]

https://youtu.be/jgfxrV6qMWE?si=Fr-Eq3UjvaDQFsAf

[torn gorge]

sure but then there is the argument of current skin prices and their popularity/role in funding active development

[deep sun]

Why do the arbites sound old?

[lean light]

That's the arbites lord of terra

[balmy flume]

So I know Arbites are Judge Dredd. But.

https://youtu.be/77g3EMBlRFk?feature=shared

I really want someone to rig the Darktide Arbites model to sing this...

[crude wind]

There is also the argument of we have no idea what the profit and loss margins of this game was, whether or not the release of the game put them into profit or not, and if those skin sales have gone towards the development of this dlc

Or if those skin sales have gone towards digging them out of a financial hole. Or both

[torn gorge]

I cant speak for the broader demographic but the circle of friends i know ended up spending substantially more on skins than the game itself for its initial purchase

[crude wind]

It's about numbers though. For the first 2 years of life Darktide was averaging 10k concurrent players. Is that enough of a player base to be profitable from skins? Skins also cost money to make, and some of that profit will be going to GW

I would bet my bollocks that this game made way less money respective to it's cost than you would think

[stiff glacier]

of things i hope arbites gets for weapons, i hope webber and stubber are there

or nade launcher so vet could get it as well

[crude wind]

I will buy the DLC but I am also managing expectations

[torn gorge]

oh im 100% getting the DLC

[crude wind]

Like I don't think we'll see any of those initially

[torn gorge]

and I have no qualms to admit I bought plenty of skins so far

as a mean to support

[stiff glacier]

i finally got the enforcer psyker gear

[crude wind]

I haven't bought any skins but that's because I am cheap hehe. But yeah I'm shilling hard for the expansion

[stiff glacier]

so i can put down protes-heretics

[crude wind]

I think I have close to 4k hours on Darktide now

For $40 that's insane value

I can spare $12 for another thousand hours XD

[torn gorge]

I mean, obviously everyone is going to weight the cost associated with the new class

and if its worth picking up or not

[crude wind]

I suspect it's going to be very much worth it 🙂

[pseudo fiber]

It was getting 10k on steam they also have gamepass, xbox and PlayStation

[torn gorge]

but as unusual as it may sound, coming from someone that supports the active development with skin purchases I still think it should have been released as a freebie for the whole population

even if the cost itself is reasonable

[shrewd matrix]

I'd pay 12 every quarter even if they had substantial content releases. I never buy skins, even for in-game currency

[stiff glacier]

i think 12 for entirely new class is completely fine

not kf 2 level cringe of 15 for 2 weapons

[pseudo fiber]

They could share a stubber with vet too

[crude wind]

Xbox took a year to come out . Ps5 was even more recent

[shrewd matrix]

A new class is so much work in DT that I didn't think it was ever going to happen, given that it doesn't have a large active playerbase, but at that price point I guess it makes sense

[crude wind]

The first year was entirely steam

And on steam it was less than 10k for most of its first year

[stiff glacier]

i kinda hope we got few more operative slots, id want to have female psyker but i already have all slots full

[torn gorge]

more than 1 character per class?

[stiff glacier]

i want to hear whole vocal range

[torn gorge]

you can go to the dude to change it

[stiff glacier]

i dont think you can swap gender

[torn gorge]

you can change everything

afaik

but i havent really used it more than once

[stiff glacier]

i dont remember gender being swappable there

[torn gorge]

so i may misremember

[thin minnow]

You can remake your character from scratch I believe

[pseudo fiber]

You can

[thin minnow]

Planet, story bits, voice

[pseudo fiber]

It costs 50000 ordos

[shrewd matrix]

no option to change gender

[queen sky]

is there not?

i thought there was

[torn gorge]

there should be a mod that increase the amount of character slots available

[thin minnow]

Gonna make me launch the game just to check ffs

Don't think I even have 50k

[shrewd matrix]

and the 50k is only for the backstory and such

[thin minnow]

Why?

[stiff glacier]

ehh i dont wanna load mods

[pseudo fiber]

There is?

[torn gorge]

same as increasing the amount of loadout you can save

[queen sky]

personality scourge allows gender change

come on lads at least check first

[shrewd matrix]

I did check but I'm blind because I didn't have body type selected

and thought it was the same appearance panel

[torn gorge]

i did remember correctly then!

[shrewd matrix]

if you just click on appearance body type isnt'a available

[tame lodge]

You can change gender

[queen sky]

correct

[crude wind]

If you listen very closely in the trailer

You can hear other arbites voices

That are not the protagonist

[stiff glacier]

ah have not seen that one then

[thin minnow]

Yeah cuz thats just surface level things like hair and face and whatnot

[crude wind]

There's at least one female one

[fading yarrow]

I also hope they add more Operative slots because I like RP, so I currently have my main Vet, his Vet daughter, her Psyker bf, and an unrelated Ogryn and Zealot. Don't want to have to axe any of them to make space

Another thing is that you have limited build slots per character, too

[crude wind]

And 2 other males

[torn gorge]

so the have the full range of VA you just need 1 character per class

[thin minnow]

Ah they fixed the Elysians and Steel legion in the launcher lol

[torn gorge]

and enough currency to swap whenever you feel like

[crude wind]

The female one says something like "Order" after shooting a loud cultist in the face

[fading yarrow]

Consult the dev blog fren, we're getting the full spread. Six voices

[crude wind]

Then there's a Hispanicy sounding one that says something about the lex

[crude wind]

Yes. I am saying you can hear snippets of them in the trailer

[torn gorge]

dont you have 8 available slots in total?

[crude wind]

If you listen closely

[queen sky]

no, it's 5 slots

[fading yarrow]

Yeah 5

[torn gorge]

ok so the mod add 3 more slots

[toxic crypt]

That is an excellent Ogryn name Sah!

[stiff glacier]

at least its not the cursed hatsune miku ogryn

what a spook

[toxic crypt]

The what?

[stiff glacier]

ive run into him couple times

trully horrifying creature

[toxic crypt]

I will find 'em.

And I will take their RASHUNS!

[queen sky]

the collector's edition upgrade is the cheapest it's ever been right now, it's calling to me

2500 aquillas + 500 from the event means i could buy one of these returning outfits

[tame lodge]

Highsune-Miku?

[stiff glacier]

grutsune miku

[tame lodge]

Ok so not me then

[stiff glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-google-maps-italy-gif-21371827

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[severe jolt]

-Judge Dredd
-Sgt Kabukiman
-Elysian Hobo Cop

[pseudo fiber]

I mean you get the entire soundtrack so worth in my opinion

[queen sky]

i would kill for an Inland Empire type

who talks to the subtitles

[old quail]

just 1:1 porting some of the harry du bois lines would be beautiful. nurgle aint got shit on Tequila Sunset

[severe jolt]

Now that you guys mentioned it, the collector's edition upgrade is actually a really good deal right now. 8,60€ for 2500 aquilas is cheaper than they are normally, plus you get the collector's edition outfits and the soundtrack too.

[queen sky]

yup that's what i'm thinking

but i'm wondering if just one outfit's worth of aquillas is worth that price

[severe jolt]

I've been considering getting it for a while now just because some of the cosmetics would probably go well with the havoc armor sets. Now that it's on a steep sale I'll probably cave, even though I normally never pay for any cosmetic upgrades.

[red robin]

Mfw my dog is ripped to shreds by a chaos spawn

[crude wind]

Mfw my dog rips a chaos spawn to shreds

[red robin]

Our dogs are built different

I feed mine wet canned food

You feed yours heretic flesh

Pics of our dogs

[noble epoch]

[queen sky]

[warm idol]

me spamming my silly little recon

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-cristi-memri-gif-25663599

[manic badger]

This format reminds me of the "Democracy but the people are wetodded" meme

[atomic void]

its memri tv

[balmy flume]

Someone is jealous of Plasma gun taking all the elite kills.

(I once ran a boltgun next to a plasma gun vet. Yes I can't compare to them at all but no I ain't salty.)

[torn gorge]

shouldve run with ES on bolter then

[unreal nova]

Oh, so you read that as well?

[tame lodge]

Not really

I know some stuff

[unreal nova]

Oh.

Is just funny.

[fading yarrow]

Me talking to a Loner Psyker, a Tox Bomber and Wolfer

[atomic void]

[finite cobalt]

Is it common sentiment that the helbore las just sucks? Not in its performance but in the way it just feels. Since the game came out, ive hated using it.

[dry cloak]

yeah

there are enthusiasts

but thats about it

[tame lodge]

The iron sights
The draw speed
The need to charge before firing

Those are the usual suspects

[slow spade]

The only one you can't change is the iron sights :c

[finite cobalt]

I just find it really strange that its been 2 years and its had nothing done to it.

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization mod is a godsent though

[slow spade]

The Mechanicus lost the red dot sight STC

[finite cobalt]

lol

Also, i just find it strange how stuff like the normal lasgun has had all of its animations changed since launch for some reason and yet the helbore is still super clunky.

[slow spade]

Yeah idk why they haven't

[finite cobalt]

Also on the topic of the charge. I hate it so much that its such a bother to cancel the charge. Its so much easier to shoot than to cancel and i hate it 😦

[slow spade]

There was that one community manager that basically said "This isn't COD" in response to weapon attachments

[balmy flume]

...

[manic badger]

It's k mods fix that

[finite cobalt]

Good ol hedge lol. Iirc, he said a lot of stuff that did more bad than good

[slow spade]

Yeah absolutely wild statement on a 40k game

[finite cobalt]

It gives the same vibes as the cyberpunk devs defending their shitty police system by saying "This isnt GTA" after somone asked if they are planning to change it

And then they changed it to be more like gta lol

[slow spade]

Indeed, funny times with people so out of touch with the community that REALLY should be :p

[pseudo fiber]

He was mocking someone who was a known troll in that but you know sometimes that detail won't be rememvered

Hedge was a bit of an ass

but yeah

[slow spade]

Don't know the context and not going to look up a 2+ year old statement from a removed CM to find out

[quiet valley]

No Helbore Slander in the chat pls

The MkIV has the best irons, try that mark out btw

[thin stone]

Any Havoc 40 veteran builds?

[quiet valley]

What weapon?

[thin stone]

Returning player here, old laptop died, so I didn't play for 5 months starting january 2025

[thin stone]

What's the easiest?

[quiet valley]

Plasma is the most brain dead, Recon Las comes close second

[thin stone]

I can try recon lasgun build

[quiet valley]

Do you want to run Deadshot? (9x stam curio) or non Deadshot

[thin stone]

No deadshot

typo there mb

[placid portal]

Ayo wtf is this new class drop XDD

[quiet valley]

Onslaught or no? (Do you want to have mediocre effectiveness for all Armor Types or good for everything except Carapace)

[thin stone]

what do you suggest?

[quiet valley]

Its better imo to just swap to melee to kill Crushers with a Dueling Sword or Power Sword

[thin stone]

Ok then 2nd

[tame lodge]

Dog

[thin stone]

I love power sword

[placid portal]

Also new Shotgun Pog

[thin stone]

@quiet valley

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9efb0328-2b58-40e9-811f-80ecffedbccf/xii-recon-h40

[thin stone]

Thanks

[quiet valley]

This is a pretty generic build, you can play with a couple points for personal preference, this is just what I would recommend

[finite cobalt]

I think ive found my main issue with the helbore. I think the change that would make it so much better to use is just reload should cancel the charge instead of fully reloading.

[civic kite]

Personally I like using krak for that, but it depends on if there are melee builds on top of em already.

[quiet valley]

Shredders out perform Kraks by leaps and bounds in Havoc, its sad really

[balmy flume]

Yea at higher level Havocs hordes are a guaranteed at every spawn to accompany Crusher Spawns

[crude wind]

Would be cool if they made Krak nades stronger into bosses so they had a niche

[torn gorge]

just increasing the starting amount by 1 would go a long way

[shrewd nova]

Is 2xtoughness, 1xstam the standard vet curio setup?

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[shrewd nova]

I ran triple toughness for a while but it felt like overkill.

[onyx otter]

i think ive got a perfect power sword stats - now i just need to empower it all the way to the 500

[red robin]

Idk about mobility

But I wish the 60-80% breakpoint jump on slower weapons was more linear

[manic cloak]

Cleave Targets is normally the dump stat for the Power Sword

[red robin]

True

Cleave targets don’t mean much with brutal momentum or sunder existing

[quiet valley]

you need every pinch of mobility on the PS

its fat af

[red robin]

Sunder reduces enemy hit mass by 75% and can cleave carapace on all activated attacks

With the 20% dmg applying to energized heavy attacks

[manic cloak]

Thicc dude. It's 2025.

[red robin]

It is rotund and vicious

[manic cloak]

We can't be fat shaming the Power Sword

[quiet valley]

Don't ever call my Power Sword Thicc again mf

Its Shapely ok

[red robin]

Power sword be voluptuous in its mobility

xd

I wonder if sunder and helbores hotshot allow for infinite cleave?

[quiet valley]

You get a shit load of cleave already, Hotshot only works on chained headshots for extra cleave too

[red robin]

75% hit mass reduction on activated attacks on sunder and 80% hit mass reduction on weakspot hits from tier 1 hotshot

[quiet valley]

Only weakspot hits get the cleave, unlike BM which gives cleave after a weakspot

[red robin]

Yeah but I’m wondering if it affects the cleave damage distribution on the attack

[quiet valley]

Would have to ask path tbh

[red robin]

Yeahh

[quiet valley]

Still probably over kill

[red robin]

Idk if cleave damage reducing is hard coded

I know there’s caps on cleave targets on some weapons

Looking at you axes

All I’m really asking is if two sources of x% hitmass reduction can stack towards reaching 100%

Or even beyond but idk if that changes worthwhile numbers

[glacial mist]

if i want to make use of the shocktrooper node

which lasgun would be best to use?

[red robin]

Uh, recon las makes good use

Las pistol makes good use

[manic badger]

mark 6 and 12 recon las

[glacial mist]

both of them?

i mean both of the laspistol

[red robin]

Helbore is already ammo efficient, but surgical makes it slap

Errr

[manic badger]

the fastest shooting one is honestly just purely better than the others

[glacial mist]

idk about the helbore cause

stabbing with it feels a bit like wet noodle now

[red robin]

Clunky

[quiet valley]

Helbore with Surgical and Shocktrooper = infinite ammo

[quiet valley]

VIc sucks

[glacial mist]

so the normal one?

not the heavy one

[red robin]

Las pistol and recon are the science ngl

Esp the faster firing las pistol as you can reach a strong crit rate

[glacial mist]

i see

[tame lodge]

If infantry Lasgun
The 9 (heavy version) got power crept

[glacial mist]

recommendation for blessing talent?

[red robin]

Both can but I like the rapid fire of the lighter las pistol

[tame lodge]

Don't the 9

[red robin]

Dum dum, desperado, ghost

[quiet valley]

Laspistol MkX, Helbores, and the Recon XIV make the best use of Shocktrooper

[glacial mist]

roger

what about a good melee weapon when i get stuff in my face?

[red robin]

Desperado and ghost with reciprocity will be strong against ranged units

MK1 Shovel is a good generalist

But there are better options

[glacial mist]

should i stick with VoC or try out stance instead?

[red robin]

Decimator and uncanny on the shovel feel good against chaff in your face

[glacial mist]

im thinking claw for the parry in case of emergency but

[onyx otter]

im gonna change it to mk3 anyway cuz i simply love its garbage lawnmower potential with its heavy attack animation - for big fucks i have good ol' plasma

[glacial mist]

i think they're not great with horde?

[red robin]

Can disrupt mutants and ragers with mk1 shovel special

[quiet valley]

MK1 Shovel is good general use weapon

[red robin]

You’ll struggle vs carapace

[glacial mist]

special is the one bind to Q right?

[red robin]

Special key yeah

[glacial mist]

would my lasgun help with this?

[red robin]

Mine is mouse 4

[glacial mist]

i mean as long as they're not in my face

[red robin]

If you have onslaught yeah

[glacial mist]

hmm lemme try putting together a build rq

[red robin]

Best use with the fast firing recon las

[quiet valley]

Only Las weapon that is good for Carapace is Recon XII with Onslaught or Helbores

[glacial mist]

is that a node or a weapon talent?

[red robin]

Veteran talent on right side

Steep point cost ngl

[glacial mist]

ouch

[red robin]

Gotta invest in nothing burger nodes

[glacial mist]

sorry for all the questions im just coming back to do event

[quiet valley]

Easier to just get a Carapace melee tbh

[red robin]

No worries

[glacial mist]

so....?

chainaxes?

[quiet valley]

PS, DS, Folding Shovels

[red robin]

Combat knife, power sword

[dry cloak]

combat axe

[manic badger]

is that the slow firing one?

[glacial mist]

i've been trying to get a good DS but no luck so far

[glacial mist]

fastest RoF i think?

[quiet valley]

The medium one

[glacial mist]

nvm then

[red robin]

Cleave targets or defences dump on duelling sword

Both occupy the same slot on the duelling swords

[dry cloak]

if you like to use devil claw. prepare to take good anti armor range or kraks. assuming were talking aurics down

[red robin]

With the mkv ds having defences

[manic badger]

see people keep saying the slow firing one is dog shit then people say the medium one is dog shit and I don't know who to believe anymore.

[glacial mist]

im using krak rn

with the nade regen node

[manic badger]

@tall torrent Between the medium recon las and the slow firing one which recon las performs better

[dry cloak]

believe no one an test them for yourself whick one feels the best to use

[manic badger]

I did I don't think the medium fire one is dog shit

[dry cloak]

good

then use it and dont listen to peopl tellin g you its shitty

[quiet valley]

the XII, (Fastest), has the best burst DPS, the XIV (Slowest) can run Deadshot for infinite ammo and better finesse scaling.

I agree test everything for yourself

[plain osprey]

Since there is the mk system now, where you can switch around, just get a good one, with the perks and blessings you like, and try out all 3 marks in 3 or more different games. Make up your own mind. They all work.

[manic badger]

I already have one of each with perfect rolls

[glacial mist]

well this is a new one for me

[quiet valley]

some shit works better for some people than others, test stuff out for yourself

[glacial mist]

first time seeing this

[red robin]

Melee and Ranged picks should be the backbone of your build, if you need blitz to answer a weakness to either weapon, look for other weapons that can cover a niche weakness

[dry cloak]

colm 8 iag works best for me

[red robin]

But that doesn’t mean you need to do that

[dry cloak]

knowing its technically the worst one

[plain osprey]

Well, in that case, just rotate. Use one in one game, the other in the next. Variety is the spice of life anyways

[glacial mist]

it's more of a "please die right now" button for me but

[dry cloak]

i use devil claw and laspitol on the regular. i take kraks for pathing and to kill carapace

[glacial mist]

is a claw + laspistol build really that bad with certain enemy types?

[red robin]

Yeah, 100% you should build what you want to use

[dry cloak]

yep

[quiet valley]

Yes

[red robin]

I love claw and las pistol

[quiet valley]

You can get away with it in lower difficulties

[red robin]

But I’m not going to be shocked when I empty mags or slap repeatedly on a crusher just to kill it

[quiet valley]

only enemy the Las pistol cannot kill is Crushers

[dry cloak]

only carapace really. devil claw works fine enough into flak and maniac. parry for ragers

[manic badger]

I do test waepons for myself but it's hard to get a comprehensive understanding of how effective a weapon is in af ew games you actually have to put some time on it. and tbh literally anything works in aurics so you kind of would have to take something into havoc to stress test it, and I don't feel good about "testing" shit in havocs if people are trying to grind rank or something even though im already rank 40

[red robin]

Claw could use a bit of love vs flak ngl

[quiet valley]

^ ye

[red robin]

It’s like 15-25% away from feeling good at time to kill for flak enemies

Ehh

20%-30%

[dry cloak]

remember game aint balanced around havoc. just saying for example people say vraks mk5 infatry autoguns its the best highest dps and so on. but for the life of me it has atrocious recoil and i cant use it

[red robin]

Wish there was more spread and recoil reduction mechanics

[manic badger]

games not "balanced" around havoc but you can definitely use it as a metric for performance on weapons since auric everything is made out of paper in comparison

[quiet valley]

IAGs are pretty shit in Havoc anyway

[dry cloak]

yes

[red robin]

Deadshot, executioners stance and run and gun are the only things I can think of for vet

[dry cloak]

im saying of handlig of the weapon it self. how it feels to use. recoil.

reload speed

[manic cloak]

Where has Fat Shark ever stated balancing decisions being correlated with a particular difficulty of the game?

[red robin]

100%

[dry cloak]

damage is damage

[quiet valley]

Yeah 'H40' weapons are a decent metric of what is high performing atm

[dry cloak]

normal damnation is the consensus in the community

[red robin]

Yeah

[dry cloak]

sure i can see that

[glacial mist]

i've got a laspistol mk2 with infernus and conc fire. Any good?

[red robin]

If a weapon feels weak in damnation, then damn that weapon ass

[quiet valley]

Normal Damnation I sleep wth

[red robin]

Looking at you chainsword

[quiet valley]

Auric board is the performance floor

[glacial mist]

seems like what i've been using before

[manic cloak]

Community consensus is not an indicator of Fat Shark dev balancing intent.

[manic badger]

what stamina nodes do you take for the mk14 recon las deadshot

[red robin]

Curios or the regen delay nodes?

[dry cloak]

balancing weapons around havoc means that havoc becomes accesible to everyone. which by desing it is not

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef208ab-10b0-4906-ad1a-edbade89f9ad/h40-recon-xiv

[manic cloak]

Balancing is not required to be based on a difficulty. A large majority of developers balance around statistics of use as an indicator instead.

[quiet valley]

Weapon performace is not an indictor of how accessible a diffculty is tbh

[dry cloak]

yes

but then you have people that say to buff everything to ds4 levels

[dry cloak]

its either malice or damnation

[red robin]

Idk, you could be ass at the game but be carried by agile duelling sword, plasma gun, or power sword 2 hit min an elite dead

[manic badger]

I figured it was going to be target down ty

[dry cloak]

thats were ou get sloppy plasma shout vets

[red robin]

Some weapons feel super baseline or even below to test your survival gameplay mechanics

[tall torrent]

Both are ok
VIc scales better for havoc atm

[dry cloak]

that can play only that because they became complacent

[red robin]

Playing executioners stance vet teaches so much basic skills to have at all levels or combat abilities

[dry cloak]

i now

[red robin]

No window for failure or get gored

Gold toughness vets can ignore melee chip and that’s a terrible habit to have

[manic cloak]

Why play with any talents? Gray weapons too, while you're at it. Otherwise 0 skill. /s

[red robin]

Have fun with that

[dry cloak]

yeah

thats why playtesters want to delete piss toughness

and if we need to keep it

[manic cloak]

Ah, so shout is skill-less, but your self determined standard of acceptable weapons and abilities is the true basis of "skill" in this game. Okay.

[dry cloak]

let it be on zealots book

[dry cloak]

its not skill less

[red robin]

Subjectivity is where you can choose to disengage

[quiet valley]

XIV is the best for Vets role in Havoc imo

[red robin]

I’m choosing to not engage with that thinking

[dry cloak]

it makes you complacent you always have o shit button

[quiet valley]

Its ammoless, while giving Specialist and Gunner control with great boss dmg

[tall torrent]

It fell off since they changed some enemies’ mass values

[manic cloak]

Gold toughness doesn't equate to complacency. The fuck?

[tall torrent]

The upside to it is cleave

[quiet valley]

It can be deadshot for infnite ammo, also has better crit scaling

[tall torrent]

VIc is the highest unyielding dps recon by default

Crit scaling is same

They don’t have different finesse modifiers

[quiet valley]

Deadshot

[tall torrent]

Crit chance is same

[quiet valley]

You get more value out of the XIV crits, (Dmg per shot)

[tall torrent]

VIc is still overall better

Not by a lot

[quiet valley]

For raw dps ig, XIV being ammoless is a huge boon in my book tho so

Vet just shouldn't be taking ammo in Havoc, when Rumbler and Flamer exsist in their current state

[tall torrent]

it's rly not as that big of a difference as you're claiming
VIc has higher total dmg and better unyielding ADM

[queen sky]

Am i correct in understanding that the Bolt Pistol has trouble felling tough targets compared to the Zarona due to a lack of armour penetration and headshot multiplier?

[quiet valley]

I get DPS is similar, but again ammoless is a huge power difference in Havoc

[quiet valley]

Bolt pistol can kill the same targets as Revolver with Deadly Accurate

[tall torrent]

no, it has same breakpoints for most enemies

given u build the correct talents for both

boltpistol has more dependency

[queen sky]

Surgical and Deadly Accurate?

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox and puncture

[hollow ibex]

but zarona can one shot crushers

[queen sky]

i'm not referring to overall utility, i'm not even using shredders

[hollow ibex]

depending on crits for bistol is going to feel kinda ass ngl

[tall torrent]

puncture + lethal/run&gun/point blank

[queen sky]

i'm not seeing that in testing just now

[tall torrent]

deadly accurate is solely for havoc
except u can't afford a crit blessing on it

[queen sky]

even with crit headshots the bolt pistol is doing about 2/3 the damage of the zarona

[tall torrent]

what enemies are u shooting at

[queen sky]

currently the crusher is my test dummy to avoid capping HP

[tall torrent]

but, u shouldn't need to use either for crushers

these guns are made to shoot gunner and specialists with

[queen sky]

what are you using to 1-2 shot crushers if not the zarona or plasma gun

[tall torrent]

melee?

[manic badger]

Thinking about a rangeed weapon as a tool to deal with crushers is just the wrong frame of mind

[quiet valley]

MKIV Helbore

[trim badger]

Flamer should be able to be replenished just by survivalist

[queen sky]

i am thinking about a ranged weapon as a tool to deal with anything I can ping without having to run over to it

[trim badger]

With how broken currently is, DS lol

[queen sky]

DS?

[trim badger]

Duelling Sword

[queen sky]

i'm not a melee combo savant, i cannot play DDR with the block/push/light/heavy arrangement

i'm not soloing auric so i don't need it

[trim badger]

Good thing Duelling sword is just heavy heavy heavy

And if they go for an overhead, special

And keep stabbing

[queen sky]

as was discovered the other day, i lack the sense of timing to chain heavies quickly

[atomic void]

it doesnt need any timing tho

u kinda just hold and let go then hold and let go then hold and let go

[trim badger]

Yeah I'm kinda confused by that point

[queen sky]

the heavy attack recovery eats your input if you start holding down the swing button too early, and the game interprets the short-duration hold as a light attack

[atomic void]

yeah but u can take your time with holding

u dont really need to pump out fast heavies with ds

[queen sky]

which mark of duelling sword?

[atomic void]

ds4 might be the easiest weapon to use out of the "Strong" ones imo

[queen sky]

ty

[trim badger]

It's okay to hold it for a little longer even if at the cost of a little efficiency

[atomic void]

4 is the notorious mark

[hollow ibex]

it's prob going to nerfed, even if FS is braindead as fuck

[queen sky]

why in fuck's name is a half-second sword swing critting for 1500 damage

[trim badger]

Even if nerfed as long as Uncanny Strikes is a thing it's gonna be absolutely crazy

[hollow ibex]

who knows, maybe DS will get nerfed to the ground

don't have my hopes up tho lol

[trim badger]

I'll keep using even if nerfed tho

Saltzpyre Legend will never die

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-senju-gif-13079766

[queen sky]

okay yeah i can see how DS4 is being used as a Crusher deletion stick

this is a bit goofy

[trim badger]

Knife works too

[queen sky]

surely not

[trim badger]

Little bit less effective, but still insane

[trim badger]

How many shots did it take for DS to kill that crusher?

[queen sky]

ok i dont have a combat knife on hand so i won't be testing it

[queen sky]

2-3

[trim badger]

Just add 1 to that and that's it

[trim badger]

Ok knife is 3-4 xd

[queen sky]

honestly though the zarona still feels better than this for the purposes of instantly railgunning anything i can ping

[hollow ibex]

knife isn't quite as braindead as DS

but is also very strong

[trim badger]

Yeah basically

If they nerf something I expect Uncanny Strikes to be nerfed

[tall torrent]

u could also just do this

[queen sky]

if i see a crusher lumbering towards us while we circle around our data-interrogator, i want to be able to make him dead without having to leave the position or giving him the opportunity to overhand someone

[trim badger]

PS doesn't have le epic mobility

#OwnedNerd

[tall torrent]

DS has 12x worse horde and mixed horde

[queen sky]

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