veteran-class

[tall torrent]

[void dragon]

gosh darnit Path this is not an exercise on how much you can hate a weapon...THAT DESERVES IT mind you

[tall torrent]

I'm not hating

[tall torrent]

I would not be calling it gaslighting if I was hating

[void dragon]

you hate that it has gaslighted the people from the truth with silly bonk SFX

[tall torrent]

Nah

I’m just disagreeing by presenting facts

[void dragon]

but Im not disagreeing!

T_T

[tall torrent]

I disagree with people that gaslight themselves into thinking it's good

there rly is nothing done particularly well by mk3 shovel that no other weapon does just as good if not better

[void dragon]

ok im done being bullied by the smart one, see you all when we get psyker mastiffs, zealot shields and hopefully real combat shotguns

also felinid class

[bronze trout]

Getting back into this game and is the shredder pistol good now? Testing it out it kind of feels better then I remember

[narrow frost]

`always has been

but yes

it got buffed month ago

[unreal nova]

Path is just saying, use DS4.

[tall torrent]

no

[fluid shadow]

Trying to figure out what the "concealed buff" as its called is (ive played veteran but its far from my main)

[quaint marsh]

Who the hell is path

[fluid shadow]

Made by smoke grenades

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent

[fluid shadow]

Thats what i thought it was

I just needed to make sure

There arent enough decent vets in havoc so someone has to do it i suppose

[honest pine]

4 vets on a mission feels like a kasrkin squad tearing shit up love it

[honest pine]

It'd help if there was a solid melee weapon for vet that isn't the dueling sword

M'not some posh noble git I wanna swing around a REAL weapon

Also when's Vet getting THIS fit

[bronze trout]

Lots of stuff works, combat axe, knife, shock maul, but yeah nothing as good

[honest pine]

Gimme beltfed autoguns and hotshot gatling las

[bronze trout]

stubbers are the only reason I play ogryn, would drop them if vet ever got an equivalent

[calm shard]

same time they get that gun

[honest pine]

yeah thats the main thing i want lol

proper hotshot las and belt autoguns

[unreal nova]

Then ammo issues,

[bronze trout]

Run las guns and have no issues

[honest pine]

nah

I run hotshot talent

With critbuild

Literally never dipped below half ammo

And field improv for extra nades for my pals

[unreal nova]

What do you think pub vets run?

Plasma or Bolter.

[bronze trout]

I pub and use recon 🤷‍♂️

Need to stop putting it off and do havoc though

That helmet from it will probably go nice with the new armor

[unreal nova]

Then you see a neckline.

[bronze trout]

I mean its already an issue with my current armor

[unreal nova]

I just see those two unless is friends usually. Then we run two melee knoife 'nadiers.

[unreal nova]

Also, is black, not green so...

And has a shittier modulator.

[stoic thorn]

hotshot gatling las

Tell one of the ogryns to go steal the big gun off a chimera and you'll get that

Idk if a Multilas counts as a hotshot

It's most certainly stronger than a hotshot

[honest pine]

this is already a thing basically with reconlas with hotshot perk lol I just want the aesthetic

of a proper big fuck off fully auto las rifle

[stoic thorn]

Your wish is granted

[honest pine]

The scab gunner enemies all have hotshot las rifles, the backpacks they have are their guns power packs

[stoic thorn]

The monkeys paw curls

[honest pine]

lmao

[stoic thorn]

You get

6 long las

In a minigun arrangement

[honest pine]

lmaooo

[stoic thorn]

6 shots and you have to reload them all

[honest pine]

I would fuck with 6 helbores duct-taped together

[stoic thorn]

Long las uses Hot Shot Power Packs

Please don't fuck the hellbores they've got a pointy bit

[stoic thorn]

Those are the volley guns but ok

[honest pine]

Just makes it more fun

[honest pine]

okay whatever I want what THEY have

[stoic thorn]

Plus moebians hotshot volleyguns are shit

[honest pine]

BIG LASGUN THAT SHOOT FAST

[stoic thorn]

You see how big their batteries are?

[honest pine]

yes

have you seen how fast they melt rejects in havoc

[stoic thorn]

Kasrkin have it a third of the size

I'm not actually sure if the Scab Gunners are stormtroopers because they've got access to the volleyguns

Maybe it's an Atoman special

[honest pine]

Atoma's got a lot of non-standard kit tbh

Way more ogryns than normal too

Must have an ogryn world somewhere nearby to have so many on the tithe

[stoic thorn]

Turns out

The scab gunners use Ryza-Pattern volleyguns

Which are used by the Tempestus Scions

[honest pine]

Must've ransacked the armory when they got home

[stoic thorn]

Pretty sure they already had those

[honest pine]

Yeah but that many

[stoic thorn]

That many

Being a lauded regimsnt

Probablt meant they had the funds to order volleyguns from FW ryza

[honest pine]

What a waste to send them into the loving arms of grandpappy

Tbf being a leman russ factory atoma's probably got some choice pickings for imported equipment

[stoic thorn]

Scab Gunners are either 6th Stormtroopers or some kind of Veteran

Or a 6th HWT

As far as we've seen, the 6th doesn't use Heavy Weapons Teams

The 6th is most likely an Infantry regiment

[umbral scaffold]

Would block efficiency reduce the amount of stamina Im using up in the clip? Or is just destined to be

[honest pine]

We have also been fighting them in urban enclosed environments for the most part

[honest pine]

Block efficiency does reduce the amount of stamina it costs yeah

[stoic thorn]

The 6th is being carried by Admonitioj

[honest pine]

Dunno bout that

[stoic thorn]

The 6th took an asswooping at nox alpha

It has to probably had to recruit local assholes

[honest pine]

They held th line against impossible odds and came back with enough manpower to functionally take over the hive despite being on a plague world

[stoic thorn]

Which are the Scab Stalkers and Shotgunners

[stoic thorn]

Chaos cults run deeper than you think

A Guard regiment isn't enough to take over a city like Tertium

Without having the suffer massive casualties from the PDF

Which is where Admonition comes inq

Admonition basically just gassed large parts of Tertium with the Walking Pox

I'm also just convinced that Bulwarks are like

Admonition mfs

Nvm

They're from the 6th

The 6th having a large quantity of Ogryns is a bit questionable though

We haven't seen a 6th Command Squad yet

The closest thing to a command structure we've seen

Is the Karnak Twins, the Scab Captains and the 6th Adjudtants from the Carnival Vox

Scab Vox Operators from the new event just seem like standard Infantry squad commsmen

Not really the Master Voxes on Command Squads

I DO want to see the 6th Colours

[umbral scaffold]

I mean I’ve tried but I felt no real difference idk

[honest pine]

I mean if you're stuck in a circle of ragers and poxers all meleein you then yeah you're still gonna break instantly

You notice the difference more when you're kiting like a chaos spawn or someth

[normal rose]

Any good bulids with keystone Markmans focus? I wanna try that one!

[dry cloak]

Those builds prefer to use exe stance

[calm shard]

not good builds but fun ones sure

I like MMF with Mk IV helbore

It's not viable for high havocs because the helbore is too slow there, but if you're a god gamer it's plenty viable in the mid havocs and of course aurics

[normal rose]

Hmm maybe I should try that gun! I only try it once as u said it a bit slow but gives good damage for sure! I am already 40 havoc so I can try lot of builds

[dry cloak]

Heres a lasgun centric build

@calm shard be sure to critisice me

[dry cloak]

The build i have sent. Works any lasgun. Be that recon helbore infantry or laspitol

[calm shard]

I would do it like this personally

exhilarating takedown is nice in theory but rough in practice

[dry cloak]

I can see that

[calm shard]

plus playing gun vet is already going to be a glass cannon just by virtue of no toughness from your ability

so might as well lean into more damage than taking close order drill to try and mitigate it

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[calm shard]

if you really want the durability taking close order+confirmed kill is fine though

you are one of the best special/elite deleters in the game

[normal rose]

I do like movement speed, I like running asf haha

[dry cloak]

Then you will not be happy with helbores

Those are slow

[calm shard]

or the bolters

or MMF in general

since it loses stacks by moving

[dry cloak]

Yep

I mean there is a meme version

Of playing it with shredder

I played this build with laspitol and ive kept stack for lobg while moving a lot

[calm shard]

realistically build would also work fine with laspistol

[normal rose]

Nooo I don’t mind trying new weapons I just need to tell myself I won’t be fast enough haha

[dry cloak]

Sounds like you are addicted to kbife zealot or SG psyker with speed boost

[calm shard]

I am addicted to SG psyker

But for the damage not the speed

Which is why I also play Gunlugger Ogryn/Exe Vet

[normal rose]

I like knifes

[dry cloak]

Knives are not everything

Shockmaul nice

Same with devil claw KNIFE iykyk

[normal rose]

Ah yes I definitely goin to try Shockmaul! It’s so funny stunning enemies!

[dry cloak]

Falter allows for stunning ragers out of combo if im not mistaken

[calm shard]

Though if you want a more sane and normal exe stance build I would do this with like laspistol or infantry las

[normal rose]

I a bit tired of dueling sword so I went knife, but I’m
Up trying other weapons

[calm shard]

I'm still so mad that the mace needs a blessing to do this but the axes just do it by default

[dry cloak]

Yep

[calm shard]

Also only just occuring to me now that MMF is the only vet keystone that has a random minor talent buffer before it

[dry cloak]

Ds is imo a noob trap for people that get complacent

[calm shard]

Instead of just coming straight out of the talents

why

[calm shard]

Could they not come up with one more row of gun boosting talents so they just slapped some minor nodes there?

[normal rose]

I also should go back to chainsaw sword, I like sound of it

[grand perch]

A +10 ADS move speed node would have been cool

[stoic thorn]

is the dump stat on the maul finesse or mobility

because finesse is atk speed and i want atk speed ts so slow

[honest pine]

it becomes a crutch if you're not already good at the game

[honest pine]

MMF sucks anyway

Focus Target does everything MMF does without needing to land 5+ headshots in a row

[calm shard]

MMF provides a higher damage boost than FT does

even 8 stacks of FT is less damage than 10 stacks of MMF

[honest pine]

FT is more reliable and benefits your whole team

[calm shard]

yeah but if you don't give a shit about those losers

MMF is a lot of damage

and most importantly works for if you need to kill more than one enemy

[honest pine]

it only gives you ranged finesse damage...

only works on headshots

and ONLY on the extra damage frm the headshot

not the base damage

Like even if you're doing a deadshot thing FT is still better because it'll give you all your stamina back every time a targetted enemy is killed for the same talent investment as getting tunnel vision

And the toughness

And for your team

[calm shard]

It is 75% ranged finnesse

which stacks additively with precision strikes earlier on the tree

[honest pine]

still only applying to half of the damage you're doing so the bonus is like half that

[calm shard]

Which means MMF+that is higher finesse damage than Duelist. The talent that single handedly carries Zealots entire melee damage output

[honest pine]

MMF also does nothing when you're inevitably having to get stuck in melee

[calm shard]

FT doesn't really help you much there either

[honest pine]

Yeah it does

[calm shard]

you can't ping horde enemies, and the stacks have to refresh if you're killing melee elites

[honest pine]

Flat damage boost, stamina refund, toughness refund,

Ragers...

So many ragers....

Ragers, dogs, mutants

Crushers

Bulwarks

All specials that like to get in melee

That you can ping

[grand perch]

MMF has tunnel vision for that

[honest pine]

It doesn't give nearly as much

And not as reliably

I've played a ton with both MMF and FT

And FT is way more reliable and generally useful

On paper MMF might do more damage but FT is way way way more practical in every aspect

[calm shard]

it is a massive damage boost

[honest pine]

Again

On paper it might do more damage

But in an actual mission its nowhere near as practical as FT

[calm shard]

5 stacks of FT, then 8 stacks

[calm shard]

in an actual mission I have basic shooters I can headshot and am constantly dodge sliding so I am almost never below 7 stacks with my aim

at least when I have reason to shoot things

but then I have obligations to ping things with FT

so I'm never quite getting full stack value out of it

[dry cloak]

i always forget to ping things with FT

[calm shard]

MMF is a bad keystone

but the reasons you're stating are not why it's bad

[honest pine]

😐

Sure

[dry cloak]

mmf is bad because with it moving = bad

[calm shard]

the primary main reason for MMF being bad is two things

it's buried at the bottom of veteran's weakest side of the skill tree

and it's hard to upkeep stacks against durable enemies (where you would most want its damage boost)

as much as it's very easy to gain those stacks back if there are trash enemies

If there's only like...a reaper, or bulwarks are in the way, or your gun can't kill crushers/maulers or whatever

[honest pine]

literally the shit i was saying and that FT is better at.....................

And against trash mobs you don't in any way need that extra damage

[calm shard]

If you already have stacks it doesn't matter. If there's even so much as a single poxwalker to shoot in the face it doesn't matter

You can easily get max stacks from one headshot if you know what you're doing

But if nothing is around to get that one headshot kill

Hope you like not having the keystone!

FT is basically the opposite in that it's not good into multiple targets

Since the stacks don't regen very quickly

[honest pine]

they regen fast enough

[calm shard]

MMF the stacks are gained really quickly, but you can't get them fast enough against isolated large targets

[dry cloak]

as the name implies FOCUS TARGET

[calm shard]

because seriously you can dodge slide to get MMF stacks

the grace period from one headshot kill is long enough to go from 3 to 10 before it ends

even if you don't have anything else to headshot

[honest pine]

Aaaaand what happens when you're bogged down in melee.....

Even if you have full stacks

[calm shard]

melee them or nade your feet and go back to shooting

[honest pine]

Literally nothing, you get nothing

[dry cloak]

also dont forget some people that use focus target and SPAM ping enemies

[calm shard]

You're using MMF the best weapons for it annihilate beefy enemies

I get toughness replenishment from it actually

Not very good toughness replenishment but it's sure there

[honest pine]

This is stupid

We all agree that FT is a better keystone than MMF

Just getting pissy about semantics

And theoreticals

[calm shard]

I do prefer MMF in game most of the time

[honest pine]

My opinion on it comes from actual testing in actual missions not wanking off in the psykanium

[calm shard]

10% stamina on any headshot kill is much better stamina regen for me

[umbral scaffold]

Hopefully fatshark either buffs shock maul or gives us a shield variant of it🚶‍♂️

[calm shard]

And I don't like FT only working on one target since I run more or less max ranged damage vet a lot

[honest pine]

Its not stamina regen its a % burst of stamina

[calm shard]

So losing my breakpoints on the 2nd crusher in the squad is irritating

[honest pine]

Which is more versatile than a tickle of 10% every headshot kill

[calm shard]

FT with 8 stacks gives 40% one time and then has to tick back up

I can headshot enemies significantly faster than it takes for 2 FT stacks to come back

[sharp epoch]

just take ws

[honest pine]

sure you can

still does nothing in melee

and does nothing for your team

[calm shard]

okay but I care about neither of those things

I enjoy large personal damage output

above all else

[honest pine]

Then why're you playing vet

Go play zealot

[calm shard]

zealot's fucking boring because they can't die

and also their numbers are small and lame

compared to gun psyker and gun vet

and also gun ogryn

[honest pine]

Then play psyker =___=

[calm shard]

lots of gun

hm

[honest pine]

Stop yapping about vet, the class that's most team oriented

[calm shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022320056195100762/1062539360697852025/ezgif-3-f909b13c85.gif

[calm shard]

team oriented if you're a coward maybe

[honest pine]

If you're not up your own arse more like 👀

I can take all the talents that benefit my team's damage and survivability and still topscore on damage

[calm shard]

but exe stance is fun and one shotting crushers with an infinite ammo gun is fun

psyker doesn't have exe stance

[honest pine]

Giving me flashbacks to when WoW classic first came out and I got hate from other warlock mains because they just wanted to be shadow bolt turrets while I was theorycrafting ways to help an entire raid with Warlock's support abilities and auras

You can take Exe stance and still take team oriented talents

I'm not a VoC bot

[calm shard]

not if I want to one shot crushers with my helbore

and I want to do that

so

[honest pine]

That's what krak's for =__=

[calm shard]

oh yeah kraks

the worst blitz in the game

let me spend that talent point to remove my grenade

I'll get right on that

[honest pine]

Now I know you're actually full of it lol

[calm shard]

Okay lets lay it out this way. There is exactly one situation where Kraks are the optimal grenade to have

And that's to kill bulwarks

In every other situation they will be a combination of too slow, and too scarce

Especially for their dogshit damage

[honest pine]

Actually just a dumbass, I'm done lmao

[calm shard]

Why would I waste my time waiting for a Krak's long ass fuse when I can just two shot the crusher with a power sword?

Or stab them in the face with my knife, or whatever other melee I'm running (unless it's heavy sword that I use occasionally)

2 shot them with shovel, one shot them with my helbore, 3 shot them with my bolter

[calm shard]

Kraks base damage with grenade tinkerer is 3600. It is not a matter of opinion that they have bad damage

like here's 2 plague ogryns

with an identical build and damage buffs on hit

I swung with my power sword 3 times into one

And the other I threw a Krak at

Of course obviously you could say "well the power sword just has better burst damage" than the grenade whose entire existence is supposed to be its burst damage

but no any weapon that doesn't have outright shit boss damage

takes like 3 or 4 swings to equal a krak in damage

they instant kill crushers, bulwarks, maulers, and reapers sure but they spawn too frequently for you to ever have enough kraks to be able to rely on them

there's also the ever present problem of your teammates killing the guy you stuck with the grenade because kraks are slow

So do you take kraks and opt out of one of the best blitzes in the game, or a pretty okay one. Just to deal the damage of swinging your melee weapon 3 times?

[thin minnow]

Crushers?

Yeah one shots crushers

What about a pile of crushers

[quaint marsh]

Ok Ive been no-life'ing vet for probably the last say 30 hours of my gameplay. I have 270 hours in game total and almost all of it has been on psyker. The thing I have to be struggling with the most is melee.
What is the secret to melee in this class? The only thing Ive had even a little success with is the dueling sword, but it cant clear hoard for shit. Ive been trying every melee weapon out a little. The one Im most hopeful for is the power sword since it has great hoard and armor clearing, but the dodge distance is so fuckin bad and the special activation feels unbelievably clunky for some reason compared to the psyker's force swords.

[balmy flume]

Vet CQC is a bit of a combo take, so to speak - having the right weapons is a start, but you need other elements to back it up

Frag nades and Shout!Vet helps me a lot, and I kind of use those alongside P Sword

P Sword is also far less reliant on dodge

And far more reliant on the previous two for spatial control

So you have space to do the PSword special, then hack away

If you prefer dodge melee, you might want to look at other weapons as better options, if only to suit the playstyle you are familiar with

Also Vet only really gets the bottom right path of their tree to augment CQC, the left focuses on shooting, and middle is general purpose buffing (leaning ranged)

Shout!Vet is also a bit more of a tank

(Hence the extra toughness)

[quaint marsh]

Thats another thing Im very not used to. Grenades. How do you make space when you are currently swamped and shout is on cd? Only thing I can think to do is throw a nade, but even with dodging I lose almost half my health to do so in the worst situations. Like I dont consider myself a bad player, Ive not done Havoc yet, but Ive done auric maelstrums several times carrying my own very well. I just havnt died this much in a looong time so I had to ask someone.

I dont have picture permission or I would share full build but its a pretty common one

[balmy flume]

Vet does feel better mid to long range, getting jumped by a horde can be nasty. Consider right clicking when holding a Nade to quickly drop it at your feet.

There is also a bit of a trade off in terms of gun choice - SOME guns (like Boltguns or, for anything non-Havoc, Agripinaa IAG) are inherently powerful crowd clear, and it might be beneficial to just shoot a bit to get that space you need for the swap.

(Yes, people whine about shooting chaff hordes, but IMHO if you are not doing it to EVERY horde, then in all honesty a living Vet is better than a dead Vet.)

Also, depending on gun, you might get a gun bash as a special move

This, again, could give the crucial seconds needed to swap to a nade and drop it

And failing all else

Ping your position like mad to get the Ogryn/Zealot to haul their backsides over

[pseudo fiber]

Tapping left click with a shredder to throw it also makes it explode sooner fun fact

[quaint marsh]

Guess I just need to keep trying. Another little thing you bring up is probably a problem too, being my ranged weapon. Ive been using almost exclusively the infantry las gun and las pistol because its cool, I like the sights, and the zoom. I really like sniping all the gunners and specials, but it feels so bad to try and kill anything that comes within 15m with melee or ranged. Ive just been trying to figure it out. Maybe I just need to turn and run when anything starts running at me to keep distance lol.

[quaint marsh]

very good to know

I almost always underhand em

[balmy flume]

Yea each gun does have its strength and weaknesses. Whilst damage wise anything is viable (outside of Havoc), how a gun is used is still subjected to its inherent traits.

Infantry Lasgun is usually ran with the classic Priority Target...but that ability makes Vet a Snipe vet, who is comparatively more reliant on having a teammate clear stuff in CQC around them whilst Vet snipes specials off the map.

[quaint marsh]

Huh? Teammates stay near you? Wonder what that's like...

I dream of having a Zealot up my ass to protect me

[balmy flume]

If you know your PUG meta (so to speak) is weak at coherency, Shout!Vet is your better bet. If you really need shout, stack all 3 curios with the ability cooldown bonus AND take the ability CD reduction on special kills node on the tree

Some say it is excessive, but I say if the PUG is allergic to coherency, you are more than justified

Shout! Spam Vet really gives you a lot of breathing room

[quaint marsh]

I have all of that. Shout is all I run right now cuz I know it's safest and best for the team. Its a conundrum I've found myself in where I only use shout when I am swamped, but I only get special kills when I'm not swamped so shout is off cd anyway.

Do you prefer to shout before heading into a fight to get the toughness and get the ability on CD? Or do you like to wait until mid fight where you could interrupt a key attack or instantly regen all your toughness if you've lost any?

[balmy flume]

I tend to do it in the middle of it

Shouting too early, as you point out, means having longer CD timer running in the middle of enemies

[normal bay]

The cooldown on shout is so short, I just use it when it's available. If you do it mid combat, teammates might not benefit from gold toughness. Whereas doing it before combat, means everyone gets GT and avoids any damage

[vocal lagoon]

You'll get a feel for it over time, if you know a horde of heavies and specials are coming your way, you can get a little more aggressive with it and use your shout to stagger/stun them then let your team go ham or reposition BEFORE they become a problem. Also nade them with Shredder as a follow up.

I like to push up just a liiiittle bit before they crash fully into melee to give us as much room as possible

[quaint marsh]

That's the way I've usually been using it like you said, having that gold and higher max for all the %regens in the game is really good. And I've always been in the mindset that a tool off CD is a wasted one. The grenades is one CD I've been struggling to keep up on because I'm not use to them both running out and coming back lol. Psyker BB dont care.

Thanks for the tips everyone. I think I'll try to keep up with the team a little more and not tunnel on long range sniping and just practice making space for myself more. Recognizing a threat to your class and build appropriately before it can threaten you is something I need to work on with vet.

[signal zinc]

Enough skulls on the Mourningstar to build a throne, sheesh

[toxic crypt]

Wait a minute...

Which grutting Throne you mean, Sah?

You better mean the Golden one!

[tropic thorn]

which infantry lasgun is better: mk vii (middle damage/firerate) or the mk ix (high damage, low firerate)?

[chrome badger]

If possible could somebody send what the veterans have for their shop? I would be very thankful

[tropic thorn]

i like the extra damage of the IX for sniping specials but its so slow

but the VII has better firerate so its easier to whip it out

i havent considered the mk IIb because the damage looks pitiful

[dry cloak]

Mk2b has highest firerate and highest recoil

[knotty hill]

Would've sent it earlier but you asked as soon as I got into a mission

[chrome badger]

Oooo nice, thank you man!

[knotty hill]

Np

[chrome badger]

It's Oki!

[frank mantle]

that plasma skin is identical to the original one no?

Got the lasgun cosmetic though, can rock proper cadian guardsman now

[thin minnow]

To bad the actual lasrifle isn't a nice gun...

[frank mantle]

aurics it's not abd

[knotty hill]

Nah, it’s a little bit longer

[frank mantle]

havoc you need bolter / plasma, but havoc you also need premade

[oblique totem]

Heaven forbid they make any new cosmetics for the event

[serene bough]

ohey new event

hub has lots of skulls everywhere too

[pseudo fiber]

Plus lots of skins and free aquilas

It's darktide christmas

[serene bough]

oh wheres the free aquila

[pseudo fiber]

For the event you get 500

[serene bough]

sweet

[tame lodge]

2b is the best one

7 is the second

[tough crest]

What goes on the Heavy Sword and what mark?

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Deathblow

Flak Maniacs

All mks are similar
But go mk9

[tough crest]

Moveset?

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's just easier

[tough crest]

Light chain or light into heavies?

[tame lodge]

Heavy 2 and 3 loop infinitely so you use those at hordes

For single targets you use Heavy 1

Which can be looped from Special Attack

[tough crest]

DPS on Special -> H1 against Crushers is pretty miserable. Just use PG or Revolver or Bolt Pistol?

[normal bay]

Fatshark weapon balance monent

[finite hawk]

sir, this is not the Nier discord!

[tame lodge]

Yeah Hsword weakness is carapace

[tough crest]

Not surprised

[tame lodge]

I'm not a nier player

[tough crest]

Grenade spam still viable? Haven't played since last year

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[tough crest]

Guess I don't need to touch my builds then.

[tame lodge]

But do you have a lethal proximity Bistol?

[tough crest]

OFC

[tame lodge]

Bombs away them

[tough crest]

Lethal + Proximity

[unreal nova]

Grenade spam no lethal prox is like... what are you even doing.

[bold sierra]

guys, I might be uh....schizo

but

did they do sth to Infantry las gun?

[bold sierra]

free aquillas?

[toxic crypt]

500 Aquilas in the event

They also have some stuff on discount in the premium shop

[bold sierra]

oh shit u right

wow

already bought the vet set :3

[tame lodge]

What are you feeling

[bold sierra]

idk, just felt like it's doing a lot more dmg

was doing Havoc 40 wiht my inf lasgun build

and I was like 3-4 shotting Reapers and such point blank even

then agian, maybe my memories aint the best lol

I was away from home for a good week

maybe fresh mind, or just got real lucky with crits lol

[cunning haven]

hi Fatshark, maybe i obtain Krieg skin if bayonet get its old speed back 👉 👈

[bold sierra]

ok the old bayonet speed was really great but even I thought it was scuffed how fast it was xDDD

it's still pretty dang good now tho

[cunning haven]

it is significantly worse than before

i used to only switch to melee for the hordes but now i have to switch if there are more than 2 ragers

[thin minnow]

blue one cooler

[cunning haven]

can i see?

[bold sierra]

the blue one's mask is a bit too bright white for me xD, and the mud on the coat, oof...poop. It's really great on zealot tho

[thin minnow]

i got the black outfit for zealot

[bold sierra]

grey one for veteran looks way more gritty and grim imo

[thin minnow]

only the torso

and steel legion legs

gonna get the helmet when blue one comes cuz that one has a helmet

[bold sierra]

yeah the grey zealot bundle always felt to me like it was missing SOMETHING, felt bare. Then again getting to have your hair exposed is pog

[chrome badger]

sigh if only there was an enforcer boltgun skin

[lyric portal]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Liberator_Autostub

when

[pseudo fiber]

This man does not need a third gun

But we love him for it

[manic badger]

Where is that guy that said PS cleave is lacking

[frank mantle]

I have better FPS since new patch btw

[manic badger]

me to

[frank mantle]

(still very badly optimized)

[manic badger]

But it feels like there is more slight stuttering

[cosmic aurora]

Restarted my vet. Doing a buncha loadouts this time round

[narrow frost]

Restarting?

[frank mantle]

i have less lag, combat feels more fluid

[hollow ibex]

tbf. the cleave is very bad. if you don't charge it

[manic badger]

it's like hitting someone with a dry towel if you don't charge it period

[faint beacon]

Truly wish powered off felt a bit more fluid cause it’s actually paper towel levels of comical with how little damage it does

Hence we always use PC on PS

[hollow ibex]

yeah the old design rearing its ugly head

[faint beacon]

Like they clearly wanted us to play without PC which is why they gave different combos for Activate attack and then reactivate

[manic badger]

I'd be content with less uptime like if it functioned like the zealot 2h sword and during the downtime the regular attacks did a bit more damage

[faint beacon]

But know damn well no one is doing that in it’s current state

[manic badger]

would make the gameplay loop for the PS more engaging imo

regular hits contributing to the charge meter kinetic charging blah blah blah

[bleak tendon]

I’m expecting you guys to get some love, fatshark said next weapons update should be about you guys

[dry cloak]

wrong vet should get nothing

[torn gorge]

[quiet valley]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3710910/Warhammer_40000_Darktide__Arbites_Class/

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Darktide - Arbites Class

You are justice.
The Adeptus Arbites enforce the Lex Imperialis – the Imperial Law. Utterly unforgiving, they persecute heretics and traitors throughout the Emperor’s realm. As an Arbitrator, you are a warrior of the Emperor’s justice, prosecuting crimes against the Imperium with disciplined zeal. Restore order to Tertium with your Cyber\…

Release Date

Jun 23, 2025

They fucking did it

[faint beacon]

Working for the next 7 hours what’s the rundown on it?

[cunning sandal]

:)

[quiet valley]

Vet buffs 2027 FUCK

[tall torrent]

NEW ARCHETYPE

[faint beacon]

I CAN SEE ITS A NEW CLASS

Anyways guess I’m playing Arbites till Vet gets buffed lmao

[quiet valley]

It’s so over

[hollow ibex]

They can’t even get the balance for four classes right and now there’ll be a fifth

[loud belfry]

they must be desperate for money or something

they weren't supposed to make paid dlc at all let alone already

[hollow ibex]

Hope they fucking rework combat shotguns

[quiet valley]

Here’s coping

[faint beacon]

Vet rework would probably happen 2026 tbh thinking about it

[hollow ibex]

Surely they will if the new shotguns also use special ammo 😭

[faint beacon]

Cause Zealot will inevitably happen late or end 2025

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I’d be shocked if it’s this year

[manic badger]

yo did they accidentally leak that?

[pulsar radish]

Steam did yeah

[manic badger]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF someones not gonna get in trouble at all because steam has the fatter cock

[pulsar radish]

Veteran is going to be slapped with this lol

[manic badger]

dog is gonna get so many revives

[faint beacon]

Mandatory vet neglect

[calm shard]

oh shit the black eagle lasgun skin is back

[manic badger]

bro the next six months are gonna be damage control on the cluster fuck of a talent tree for the arbites and all hope is lost for any other class tree getting attention

or the arbites tree is perfect

and the classes will still get ignored

[calm shard]

man they don't do damage control on ogryn or psyker trees

they just don't do things quickly in general

[manic badger]

Ogryn tree is good

I actually struggle to find anything really wrong with it now

[calm shard]

rumbler gunlugger being broken overpowered to the point that nobody else gets to play the game?

that's a bit of an issue

[manic badger]

maybe in aurics

but you can't do that in havocs

[calm shard]

it happens in havocs if the ogryn is good

[manic badger]

how there is no way to sustain the ammo economy

[calm shard]

you...melee things

preferably with a light spammy melee since it only gets one stack per kill

so bully clubs are obvious choices, or bull butcher

[manic badger]

yea thats great but you have to sacrifice so many melee talents to get to that so in havocs you end up just slapping shit around. Have you tried it on ogryn?

[calm shard]

yeah

[shrewd nova]

@calm shard You have to approach the game like people did when playing with assail psykers back in the day (when assail melted everything), and just play hyper aggressive and yolo. Otherwise you don't get to do anything.

[calm shard]

I play full gunlugger in mid-high havocs

with achlys twin stubber

and the ammo economy is fine if you're not an idiot

[spark cipher]

You won't know anything about not being able to play the game until you spend 1000 hours in warframe pubs (jk)

[calm shard]

and your teammates aren't all bolter zealots that have forgotten their melee

[manic badger]

I've never once been in a 40 where a lugger was just screen clearing and making me feel like I could just sit back and watch

maybe just got lucky

Psyker flamestaff is way more powerful than a lugger build

minus for nuking bosses

[onyx otter]

what melee is da best to pair with plasma dakka?

[manic badger]

dueling or power sword, honorable mention for rashad axe

[onyx otter]

and for the power sword, which variant?

[manic badger]

also combat knife if you can keep up with the APM's and combos

mark IV

you have to block cancel the special animation for the IV to optimize it but thats about it

[manic badger]

This is the mk IV

[pulsar radish]

we got a new class before vet got a new weapon

damn.

[shrewd matrix]

same time I'm guessing

[pulsar radish]

nah the focus is going to be on that class.

It looks like the weapons it gets are unique to it too.

[torpid lion]

Does veteran have new weapon?

[pulsar radish]

Nope.

[torpid lion]

sad

[pulsar radish]

only what... 5 months out now?

expect it 2026 lol.

we'l get a new model of the inf las

[torpid lion]

one year

no new weapon

[elder vessel]

GIVE ME SHOTGUN MAN NOW

[torpid lion]

delete veteran plz

[tough tiger]

new chat when

[fresh scarab]

annnnd no new Veteran weapons, fuck

[torpid lion]

veteran like bugs in Havoc

[tall torrent]

pretty nice

[torpid lion]

everything can kill veteran easily in Havoc

[sleek garden]

They're putting the veteran out to pasture with this new class

[sleek garden]

And I'd use it

[pulsar radish]

yeah just shoot us in the head now for playing veteran lol

might aswell pay fat shard the money for the new class lol

[torpid lion]

im veteran main

but im ogryn main now

no new talent tree

trash talent tree

[pulsar radish]

honestly disappointed.

No new vet guns - only this new class

[torpid lion]

true

[pulsar radish]

The new class is GREAT

[junior grail]

I dont like that the new class is paid dlc

[pulsar radish]

I mean I expected it.

[junior grail]

We already are paying for premium cosmetics

[pulsar radish]

I wouldnt expect less for the work that went into it

[dry cloak]

if anything new class can be monetized

[dry cloak]

you dont have to

[torn gorge]

gonna be a tedious month

[dry cloak]

just dont buy them

[torpid lion]

I expected no weapon

[heavy swan]

A good amount of people paid for the game itself

[junior grail]

On top of buying the game at base price

[heavy swan]

It's not surprising

[torpid lion]

[calm shard]

consider

some of the new guns/weapons with arbites may be cross class

[heavy swan]

I already said I'm not bothered by the class costing money, I'm bothered by this class either just outclassing others by a wide margin or Fatshark devoting much more attention with this class over others

[torpid lion]

[calm shard]

it'd take quite a fucking lot for it to outclass current ogryn and psyker gonna be real with you

[junior grail]

How are they gonna relate the Arbites to our Rejects tho?

[bleak tendon]

Who’s we I never paid a dime for cosmetics lmao

[heavy swan]

Not as much to outclass Veteran

[bleak tendon]

They are completely optional

[calm shard]

oh if that's what you're worried about

dw

[junior grail]

We without you then haha

[calm shard]

gun psyker is already veteran 2

👍

[heavy swan]

That's exactly my issue

[junior grail]

So we gonna get veteran 3?

[calm shard]

maybe pick something a little more... surprising than the worst class in the game

because yeah chances are if vet doesn't get buffed then the arbites will outclass them

same as the other 3 already do

[pulsar radish]

Considered- but the wording of the post doesnt say that.

[junior grail]

I wonder how buggy the dog is gonna be

[calm shard]

at least equal to the normal dogs

[heavy swan]

But I want to play as Veteran? The other classes just don't interest me as much and it's not in the worse spot. Other classes are stronger for sure but they at least have different gameplay. This new class will literally look like Veteran 2.0

[torn gorge]

both are commonly part of an inquisitorial retinue at large, so not much to think about there

[calm shard]

you know nothing about the new class other than that it's an arbites

[pulsar radish]

yeah the jump isnt that hard.

[calm shard]

oh and it has a dog

[pulsar radish]

and it has a Vox system.

[tall torrent]

arbites has a dog

[junior grail]

At least I hope the playstyle revolves around the dog more, gives the Arbites a more summoner feel

[calm shard]

I wonder if the dog is going to be baked into the class or if it's going to be a blitz/ability choice

[pulsar radish]

Honestly just disapointed that it feels vet is getting the long dick of the law by arbi

but hey Ill probably still play the class to see what its got

[manic badger]

Dude there was a point where I criticized fatshark for their lack of interaction with the community, now watching people whine in general chat I don't blame them at all. Vermintide had like 10 paid dlcs including sub classes. Darktide launches one and people lose their shit.

[junior grail]

What Vet needs are heavy weapons, eg Light Stubbers, Hellguns, Grenade Launchers

[heavy swan]

I know, but it still seems gun oriented, just close range rather than all around like Veteran

[calm shard]

what the hell makes you think it's gun oriented?

[pulsar radish]

tbf Vermintide didnt have a shop like darktides charging huge prices lol.

[heavy swan]

Considering how they are advertising the new shotgun

[calm shard]

just because they showed a screenshot with a shotgun in it?

[pulsar radish]

So i understand the backlash.

Double dipping sucks.

but at the end of the day they gotta pay the VA and work that went into the new class

so its all good imo.

[heavy swan]

You do know this is all speculation? I'm not saying anything is absolute but why advertise that so much over anything else?

[dry cloak]

people get used togettign stuff for free

[calm shard]

I can definitely understand a new class being paid for

[heavy swan]

I'm not saying anything is certain

[calm shard]

It's a lot more investment than just cosmetics, or even new weapons

Since new class means new weapons, penances, penance cosmetics, and all the skills and abilities

[manic badger]

Cosmetic shit is wildly different from playable content

[heavy swan]

Just saying my thoughts on it and what I hope doesn't happen

[calm shard]

and three voice actors (six if male/female)

[tall torrent]

well

[pulsar radish]

It defo is focused on it, the trailier highlights it well, but again the blog given also shows its the first RANGED AND DEFENCE option and the other mentioned option is: A SHOTGUN.

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't speculate too much

at the very least

arbites being here means

[pulsar radish]

Agreed, but you can see the issue from the general pop. I personally dont care, and agree with the pricing on the new class :S

[tall torrent]

tech adept probably can be a thing too

[pulsar radish]

gonna be killin' vets

[calm shard]

like all 3 other classes already do yes

[pulsar radish]

pretty much, which sucks.

But hey it is what it is.

[old quail]

i would imagine it probably depends on sales/how well arbites is received

[pulsar radish]

at some point im sure Vet will get something to make it you know - its own thing

[trim lantern]

Just saw the new trailer. I'm LEGIT HYPED...

[calm shard]

Veteran is its own thing. It's just weak since it hasn't been buffed in a long time

[tall torrent]

yea, which it prob will be received very well let's be fr

if they don't pull a winds of magic 2

[old quail]

yea

[hollow ibex]

Buffed last patch but still ass.

[heavy swan]

That's what made me think of it like that being gun focus. It doesn't have mind powers, any heavy melee options showcased or is an ogryn, so it'll be closest to Vet. I'm not mad at it in any way but it just sucks since Vet is going to be even more useless now

[untold mulch]

Still waiting

[tall torrent]

can't wait to see a guy named alex murphy solo chaos spawns in tertium

[pulsar radish]

indeed how it feels but thats speculation on my end too.

[trim lantern]

Wdym..? :T

[heavy swan]

Oh yeah totally understand, all of what I said has been speculation. Just saying what's on my mind about it

[trim lantern]

Veteran has Krak and Plasma... Smoke, too

[calm shard]

Nothing. They're just moping about veteran being bad and how the new class will totally be identical to veteran but better in every way

Even though they have zero evidence or logical reasoning for this feeling

[pulsar radish]

allow me to clear it up, as i wasnt clear.

Every class has an idenity, and whilst Veteran is meant to be "the guy who survived missions and is good with guns" Gun Psyker is better- oggy is better. Zealot has the greater melee options - and is the melee nutter, which is great.

Psyker..well do i need to say more.

[calm shard]

Gun Psyker isn't better with guns. They're better at melee

The gun in gun psyker is just that they don't use a staff

[pulsar radish]

Gun psyker has been nutty with gaze for ages with guns lol.

[trim lantern]

Tbh, I assumed the "Arbiter" was gonna be a Beastmaster kind of class.

Doggo

[calm shard]

Look dude. I play gun psyker a lot

You are not a veteran

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly never understood people who think vet isn’t good.

[calm shard]

You are a zealot with better melee damage and worse survivability

[hollow ibex]

Nah. Classes that got reworked have gotten stronger. That’s a fact. Arbites, being a new class, will likely follow that trend.

[void dragon]

Is veteran gonna be left in the dust between Gunker and the new class?

[pulsar radish]

It lacks identity which is main issue.

[trim lantern]

Same.
<- Has shitloads of fun with autoguns

[hollow ibex]

Because it’s been powercreeped pretty fucking hard lol

[heavy swan]

Hopefully not

[calm shard]

middle tree veteran lacks identity

[pulsar radish]

probably until they add some more of the unique vet weapons or rework zealot / vet.

[calm shard]

left and right tree both have obvious intended playstyles

[trim lantern]

SHOUT LOUDER, THEN

[tall torrent]

veteran identity is ok

ur basically the arch militant guy

[void dragon]

It's perk tree needs a tune up but zealot is first, so we will have that till 2039

[calm shard]

Zealot needs the rework first

[pulsar radish]

Zealot needs some love in the tree for sure.

[calm shard]

Their skill tree is an abomination

[pulsar radish]

Tbf im a simple man, just gimme a hellgun.

[calm shard]

Veteran needs much less in comparison

[pulsar radish]

And ill be a happy noob.

[untold mulch]

At this point I think only smth like that would make me reinstall

[pulsar radish]

gimme a volley or something

[untold mulch]

would be so nice

[pulsar radish]

No - Recon isnt a volley.

No it doesnt count.

[untold mulch]

Recon is more like a laser smg kinda?

at least how I feel it

[tall torrent]

veteran needs strong melee weapons more than they do for ranged weapons

[heavy swan]

Same

[pulsar radish]

It literally is a smg.

its used by the drop troop regiments.

[untold mulch]

Eh, in lore is more a carbine than a SMG, but in gameplay is 100% bullethose

[void dragon]

Hopefully the patch will buff some weapons too, melee veteran is so mid now

[heavy swan]

I'll really take anything right now

[calm shard]

yeah but like...please?

[pulsar radish]

melee vet suffers from "power sword is powersword"

[heavy swan]

In all honesty

[untold mulch]

Veterans won’t be left out for too long.
I still won't forget this comment from last year lmao

[pulsar radish]

Literally whats getting me

[untold mulch]

6 months later

[void dragon]

Nah, more like "power sword is the only thing competitive"

[pulsar radish]

We got a new class before "left out for too long"

As a shovel lover, I agree.

[trim lantern]

I thought it was simply just... "laser-themed autogun," tbh

[tall torrent]

wat
u don't enjoy power sword 24/7?

[heavy swan]

It gets results the best but I really wished I could use something from time to time

[pulsar radish]

give vet a power fist lol.

[bleak tendon]

Watch a vet rebalance drop as well

[pulsar radish]

If it does that would be crazy

[trim lantern]

The only thing a Recon Lasgun CAN'T do is pierce Carapace armor w/o crits

[pulsar radish]

but realstically?

[untold mulch]

eh fair, which isn't bad, but holy shit Vet is begging for a heavy machinegun

[void dragon]

There is a reason why I'm a Heavy sword enjoyer

[pulsar radish]

Fat shark cannot handle two things at once.

XD

[bleak tendon]

I mean I wouldn’t say it’s too far to say there wouldn’t be

Vermintide MIGHT actually finally maybe be done

[pulsar radish]

They will be spending the next 6 months fixing the balance issues with the new class.

[void dragon]

Vet mains: LET ME DO A RAMBO!!

[bleak tendon]

Final mission for their campaign just dropped. Again

[pulsar radish]

realistically we all know its coming out hot.

[calm shard]

they didn't spend any time at all fixing ogryns balance issues

so fat chance of that

[trim lantern]

YES PLS - and add a Hellgun, to the tab, PLEASE!

[untold mulch]

The sharpshooter art literally shows a heavy stubber

Is like is teasing us

for year already

[trim lantern]

I wanna feel like a goddamn KASRKIN!

[pulsar radish]

You know whats funny.

[void dragon]

Indeed, is so mean

[pulsar radish]

It shows a heavy stubber, on the path- which mentions stormtrooper EG: a lasgun perk.

Given GW probably want it to be based around the models you can get on the table top with a small variants allowed.

I think we are more likely to get a nade launcher.

[untold mulch]

Hellgun and a VolleyGun would be so peak

[pulsar radish]

or a power fist.

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-fail-grenade-fail-military-gif-22979200

[void dragon]

If that's the case, power fists when?

[pulsar radish]

according to Obese tuna: "you wont be left out for long"

[trim lantern]

Me and the bois when "Loner Psyker: GRENADE!"

[untold mulch]

We forgot the fish thinks in a different lifespan of everyone else

Not for long for them is like 2 years

[void dragon]

Ah, soo next glacial age?

[pulsar radish]

yup.

[tall torrent]

given game lore changes coming next update

[trim lantern]

Half Life 3

[torpid lion]

delete vet

[tall torrent]

probably can expect GW to be more loose with available weapons

[quiet valley]

Vets rn

[tall torrent]

like, for one, we're prob not rejects anymore if an arbites is among us

[heavy swan]

Reworked talent tree, new weapons, hell a sight on the Helbore would go a long way

[void dragon]

They will when Judge Dredd release the hounds

[torpid lion]

[pulsar radish]

honestly a hellgun to punch into heavy armour would be bonkers.

[hollow ibex]

When the precision weapon has dogass sights

[pulsar radish]

but a hotshot volley gun would make us oof

[pulsar radish]

THEY SAID DOG

GET EM

[heavy swan]

I want to use it so bad and those fucking sights suck so much

[pulsar radish]

I just use mods to replace the sight.

[heavy swan]

I feel like I'm just throwing

[pulsar radish]

I cannot play with its buns irons lol

[heavy swan]

Wish I had access to them, I'm on Console sadly

[calm shard]

They're not really that bad on the Mk IV which is the one that does good damage anyways

[trim lantern]

Arbites: "THAT ONE WAS TALKING SHIT!"

Sics dog on you

[pulsar radish]

blares proganda from the floating Vox next to you as the dog eats

[quiet valley]

MK IV propaganda lets go

[pulsar radish]

"if you wasn't a filithy heretic you wouldnt be here"

"blessed be the golden throne"

i swear if my dog gets picked up by a mutie and thrown off the map and never comes back because it gets stuck on a pixel of pipe thats not in a killzone ima be pissed.

but its going to happen.

[last pewter]

but who plays the dog???
who was phone???

[trim lantern]

I'd have straight up been like:

"Who's my favorite little monster? YOU ARE! YES - YOU ARE!" ❤️

[pulsar radish]

The dog is actually just grendel helping us out

[trim lantern]

Adeptus Arbites was announced as a new 5th class

[pulsar radish]

also, did anyone pay attention to the mobs in the photos btw?

[last pewter]

when are we gonna get some adeptus bitches

[pulsar radish]

Is that an armoured choas spawn?

[heavy swan]

In all honesty though I like the looks of the new class, I'm curious how the dog is working in game so I'm eager to see some gameplay of it soon

[pulsar radish]

its going to be the bestest boy or girl

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-balls-gif-19441984

what we actually get

[last pewter]

we get our own flavor of pox hound

can't wait to have it pounce on a monster and pin it for full HP

[pulsar radish]

pox hound you mean pox pup

[trim lantern]

"ATTENTION, SCUM!"

Gets thrown off a cliff by a Mutie

[slow spade]

if a cybermastiff pounces a poxwalker does it do "purification" damage UwU

[quiet valley]

Does vet get the shotgun too tho?

im coping

[heavy swan]

I really can't wait for the interactions

[untold mulch]

doubt it, probably unique

[pulsar radish]

ima be dead honest nobody knows.

[heavy swan]

I wouldn't assume that since a lot of classes have unique guns

[last pewter]

y'know considering how survivor AI is in tide games in general

[slow spade]

shotguns have never been exclusive at least

[last pewter]

I am curious how the doggo AI will behave

let's hope it's

better

[pulsar radish]

But realistically given the way they are using the name "arbities shotgun"

[last pewter]

in any way lmao

[pulsar radish]

and "arbities pistol"

no.

[slow spade]

you just KNOW someone is going to fucking barrel launch the dog

[heavy swan]

Probably not but whatever

[pulsar radish]

Its going to be class locked.

[quiet valley]

Its jover for vets

[trim lantern]

"I saw your search history, Alma..."
"OH NO..."

[trim badger]

It looks like abrites is gonna be a more defensive/close range class

Compared to all others

[bleak tendon]

do you guys think Arbiter will share weapons with the other human classes, like las guns and chain swords?

[whole solstice]

I for one am not the least bit impressed with fatshark copying owlcat's homework and slapping a price tag on it where owlcat did not.

[trim lantern]

Honestly..? I legit kinda like that. 😄

[faint beacon]

So

[heavy swan]

I'd be surprised if they didn't

[bleak tendon]

...its a collab

[trim badger]

Like Bolt shotgun? Melee shield?

[faint beacon]

Who’s gonna be the first to name their Arbites “Judge Dredd”

[trim badger]

It defenitely looks like defensive oriented class

[quiet valley]

They are getting a shield

[trim badger]

Arbites with Duelling Sword:

[bleak tendon]

now just wandering what other unique weapons could he also bring

[trim badger]

Something tells me he's NOT gonna share all human weapons

[trim lantern]

That should allow the Veteran players to focus more on the "shooty-shooty", per se! 😉

Isn't that what we do best?

[slow spade]

watch the Arbities get the power sword

[slow spade]

Psyker

[trim lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-battle-march-march-gif-25117763

[trim badger]

Hell maybe he'll not have any shared human weapons

[slow spade]

I miss SODAZ...

[whole solstice]

My point still stands. The product in this game is paid whereas it's given to players free of charge in the other. We already have a FOMO cosmetics shop and now this

[slow spade]

I don't like paying money

therefore the class should be free

it's that simple

[bleak tendon]

i mean, its not really that big of a deal

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655919787180032000/1373038264004378705/crispy-boi-atkas.gif

[bleak tendon]

i wouldnt really compare the games since they are so different

[whole solstice]

this is the exact kind of statement that enables them to take it even further

[trim badger]

I think they should just allow every cosmetic to be bought at any time instead of having a rotating FOMO shop

[bleak tendon]

also, cosmetics are not necesarry dawg

[whole solstice]

^

[heavy swan]

A catalog would do this game wonders

[bleak tendon]

sure itd be great if there was a catalog but i wouldnt spend money regardless

just my opinion

[trim badger]

They can still keep the rotating aspect but make it so that instead of cosmetics, make discounts rotate

[heavy swan]

I don't pay for cosmetics unless I know I will actively continue playing the game for long but that would be far better for those who do

[trim badger]

That's it, whales will keep spending more

And we get the chance to buy what we like

Win-win

[calm shard]

did you know that there are studies that disprove this

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8765231/#S3

[heavy swan]

Hell you might get more people to actually spend instead of being cautious and keeping their wallets closed

[trim badger]

They're necessary to the weak minded

[bleak tendon]

huh, interesting

[calm shard]

buying cosmetics doesn't literally make you better at the game

but it improves your self image of your gameplay which indirectly makes you play better

[whole solstice]

everybody wants to look cool at the end of the day but the outfit I like the most consists entirely of challenge pieces

[bleak tendon]

that DOES sound like only weak-minded people benefit from it (for the lack of a better word)

[heavy swan]

Meh, I'm a strong advocate for people being happy with their appearance. Everything free is not an option but I think a catalog will be the next best thing

[bleak tendon]

I do think if i didnt have the free cosmetics ive got i would be sorely dissapointed

[trim badger]

Me not buying Duelling sword skins because none of the custom ones has the thin blade that makes me feel more accurate:

[bleak tendon]

but like ive got enough to customise all my dudes loadouts

[bleak tendon]

the weapon skins are so ass lol

[midnight totem]

I'm finally happy with my main vet outfit

[bleak tendon]

only thing i would spend money on is i think some of the head cosmetics that change/alter the voice of your psyker

[heavy swan]

I wouldn't want to say weak minded rather than sensitive or more self reflective. I don't feel that way but I understand why people do, so I'd want the best user experience for them.

The free stuff you get from challenges also feels really narrow. It doesn't look bad but it's a thin slice over how many designs they have in game

I don't mind because I really can't be bothered. I look like knockoff Doomguy and I'm happy with it.

[manic badger]

People don't see their overhead, thier cost and profit margins for the company. Would you be happier if they reduced development and support for this game? What if it's not financially feasable for them to continue support for the game unless they launch things like paid DLC characters? Nobody has that info except fat shark. I don't know how many of you have tried to keep a business afloat before but it's not fun, it's a constant battle. Maybe they are killing it, maybe so many people are buying the in game cosmetics that it removes the need for a paid dlc. Do you have their financial information though to prove that? I dont.

[slow spade]

they should make it free because I want it to be free

[calm shard]

I dunno they already develop kinda slow

[slow spade]

as simple as that

[calm shard]

But I definitely understand making a whole ass new class a paid dlc

It's so much more work than any of the content we've gotten for free

[heavy swan]

Who's complaining about the new DLC being paid for?

[manic badger]

not so many people here but general chat is full of them

[slow spade]

I'm reserving judgement until we see how "polished" the new class is

as this is literally the first new kind of content we've gotten for classes since release

[trim badger]

The one with spikes is cool but

[pseudo fiber]

broke cowards

[trim badger]

Again I want a skin with a thin blade

[quiet valley]

Is the class all we are getting tho?

[trim badger]

Cuz I like that

[quiet valley]

No new map or weapons for other classes huh

gg

[manic badger]

I can't even use weapon skins because I have the weapon customization mod lol

so the temptation isn't even there

[trim badger]

We don't know that yet

[slow spade]

we're also getting a nerf to every class just because fatshark can

[manic badger]

They said there is a whole ass free update coming on the 23rd alongside the class

[trim badger]

Some stuff of every class need nerfs tbh

[hollow ibex]

Yes nerf vet

[slow spade]

Duty and Honor is removed for Vet

[heavy swan]

Oh, well that sounds kinda stupid. It reshapes gameplay enough to warrant it having a price tag. At least it isn't super expensive

[bleak tendon]

fatshark has said arbiter will be using weapons from other classes too but not vice versa

[quiet valley]

Whats the price tag on this new mf?

[bleak tendon]

so basically normal class

soz vets

[quiet valley]

$20? $10?

[manic badger]

12$

[bleak tendon]

tenner

[trim badger]

12$

[slow spade]

I think 12 USD

[heavy swan]

12$

[quiet valley]

not bad acutally

[heavy swan]

Yeah

It's reasonable

[manic badger]

bro that's like a burger at a place near me in chicago

and I eat that and poop it out

[atomic zephyr]

I totally get why people are mad

but like, I’m willing to pay because i like the game

and i know ill play arbites a shitload

[slow spade]

I still remember when they said we'd get subclasses like every quarter

[atomic zephyr]

that was before skill trees and even then that’s generous

[slow spade]

as a Dwarf player, I do indeed hold grudges

[hollow ibex]

Tbh I wasn’t even expecting a new class, because the thought of a paid dlc didn’t cross my mind. But I’m ok with this

[atomic zephyr]

nothing ever happens bros are mad

[calm shard]

tbf the class rework did come at about the time they were all supposed to have been released

which did add 8 "subclasses"

soooooooooooooooooo

[heavy swan]

I'm cautious about it because it's Fatshark and how they develop things, but the price or the fact that it costs money isn't at all what I'm mad about. That's not shifted at those prices tags or anything like that rather than just how they develop stuff.

It's not bad that they are charging money

[slow spade]

hmmmm I'm still skeptical if that counts >.>

[heavy swan]

It's just how I think they are going to treat this class

But that's completely different than just complaining about having to pay money

[slow spade]

watch the Arbities get the power sword and become Vet but with a dog (better)

[heavy swan]

I'd really hope not

[atomic zephyr]

why would they have power sword

they’ll have more shock mauls and shields

[manic badger]

Because god hates veterans

[slow spade]

because Vets have had it good for too long

[atomic zephyr]

man gen chat is on fire

[midnight totem]

when is it not on fire

[elder fiber]

when it's percolating in a rancid toilet

[midnight totem]

that just means it catches fire easier

[pseudo fiber]

It's pretty bad rn damn

[cobalt lance]

Did you see them announce better veteran DLC?

[last pewter]

they're also better psyker, zealot and ogryn

cus dog

[faint beacon]

Reminder that 1 subclass on VT is 3 USD and Arbites is coming with 3 class types to path down, so I don’t really see a massive issue behind the price

[last pewter]

also remember that taht $3 class gets no cosmetics until you pay an additional $7

[pseudo fiber]

I really didn't expect 6 voices

I was thinking it'd always be 3

[faint beacon]

Male/Female

[last pewter]

my biggest problem was the whole character slots thing

I had to look up what Kitefin said cus it just seemed stupid

what a mess lol

[faint beacon]

Gen chat is on fire

[manic badger]

I have to imagine if a mod can extend it to 7 slots

[faint beacon]

I only really have small gripes mainly cause I’m worried that Arbites might launch with huge issues of being too strong or buggy

[manic badger]

it can't be hard for fatshark to patch that in

[faint beacon]

And delay both needed changes to Zealot and Veteran

That’s my only worry

[last pewter]

it probably isn't. again, I am like 98% certain that Kitefin mispoke

[hollow ibex]

Vet rework delayed to 2027

[last pewter]

and if they didn't, it'd be 'stremely dumb of Fatshark to not add slots

[manic badger]

I wouldn't blame him probably extremely overwhelmed

[last pewter]

like the message that Kitefin was responding to was asking what'll happen to modded characters

[faint beacon]

I’m more so just hoping they also buff some of the “weaker” weapons so then everything else feels enjoyable to use

[last pewter]

i.e. those who use a mod that adds additional character slots

so when I read that message what I saw was

1. you can't buy/acquire additional slots
2. I don't know what'll happen to modded characters as FS do not maintain them

[pseudo fiber]

Like I read that and thought "Oh the additional slots mod won't gain a new slot then"

and it's like everyone else can't read?

[last pewter]

I can deffo see how people read that there won't be any additional slots, period, though

no, like, don't get me wrong, I get why people were confused

it wasn't worded well and without context was even worse

[manic badger]

I'm sure it will be clarified someone should reach out to kitefin to make sure it is though so people don't lose their fucking minds

[bleak tendon]

you could hand them Darktide: Chaos Wastes and they will still be mad about the cosmetics

like ive been there and complained too but at the end of the day no one is forcing anyone

[torpid pike]

Hi people, can someone give me a nice build 4 veteran?

[atomic zephyr]

plasma gun

[faint beacon]

Honestly that’s just the big reason I’m hoping for weapon buffs seeing it’s more like a medical gauze fix for vets issues atm

And it would also help Zealot out

But the issues go more deeper than that, it’s mainly cause they need tree changes but with the introduction of a new class it might delay that