it's ~6 months outdated but mostly relevant
#veteran-class
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nimble bridge
ok
unreal nova
Eh, sometimes, that few seconds is a lifesaver, so it's up to you.
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u can usually afford 4 curio perks
unreal nova
It's your opinion, but it has saved runs before.
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in a 2/2/2/3 split
I think it's neat
most curio perks don't have to do triple stack
unreal nova
most curio perks don't have to do triple stack
But then again, it's probs better on other classes. But eh, I like CDR and it has always been helpful.
Not on Oggy unless i use taunt, i just forget rush most of the time. XD
nimble bridge
can i copy this for the helbore lasgun?
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can i copy this for the helbore lasgun?
prob not
like, this is already not up to date lol
vet build depends on what weapons u want to run
as in, both melee and ranged
nimble bridge
i see
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@unreal nova
nimble bridge
time to consult gameslantern
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textured but weirdly low polygon
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is determined a good talent node
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is determined a good talent node
depends on ur weapon
nimble bridge
helbore
nimble bridge
is there something like twbs
hollow ibex
no
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is there something like twbs
no, don't get hit by melee if u can
unlike zealot, veteran has to play the game the normal way
nimble bridge
i dont know what you mean by that
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low base stam regen delay + standard stam regen rate + no stun immunity
hollow ibex
def not lol
WS is prob the worst possible keystone for helbore
can try something like this
you can drop extra grenades for shock trooper if you want
blazing jetty
Cleave targets is an okay dump stat for power sword, yes?
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Cleave targets is an okay dump stat for power sword, yes?
it's the optimal dump for power sword
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that is way to much effort to get survivalist
and don't get WS for helbore
they're non compatible
unreal nova
You ACTUALLY need to swap for the buffs, and the hellbore pullout time... LUL.
wanton coral
Is there a lore reason why Darktide shotguns suck
I’ll feel marginally better if that was kept in for immersion
blazing jetty
Their shells are loaded with dry, hollow human teeth 
wanton coral
Even if we’re just talking auric normal shotguns are genuinely painful to use with the DB being pigeonholed into weapon specialist
blazing jetty
And the gunpowder is derived from compressed servitor farts
hollow ibex
Even if we’re just talking auric normal shotguns are genuinely painful to use wi...
tbf... DB is very fucking good lol
calm shard
Even if we’re just talking auric normal shotguns are genuinely painful to use wi...
Zarona shotgun is a pretty funny meme though
wanton coral
LOL
calm shard
genuinely almost Bolter tier boss damage
crazy gun
if you ignore its performance against literally every other health type
And if it decides to not crit
wanton coral
I mean I feel like at this point comparing anything to plasma/bolter/flamer is a lost cause, but shotguns just feel lacking imo
wanton coral
I guess after abusing master keys for any situation for so long using anything remotely situational feels worse in comparison
calm shard
Zarona out of all the shotguns is probably the closest to being alright
I'd consider it the best of them just because it's a consistent 2 shot on more or less every enemy in the game
(except for Crushers)
But like...it doesn't have the ammo to afford to be 2 shotting things
And its special is kinda bad
wanton coral
I don’t think I tried the burst one when I built mine
calm shard
Yeah Mk6's gimmick is it's the crit gun
It has better crit/weakspot modifiers than the other 2, and gets a 3 shot crit chain since it's always burst fire
It's my 2nd most used gunlugger weapon with Flechette/Cavalcade
Thing crits like a truck, and it's 3 crits which max stacks Flechette's bleed
So anything it touches is going to die
wanton coral
Ooooo
calm shard
I would say it's the Gunlugger ripper of choice though
It needs to be critting to justify using over the other 2
wanton coral
I guess with bleed synergy crits would be more consistent right
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I mean I feel like at this point comparing anything to plasma/bolter/flamer is a...
it's hard to not feel it's lacking when it does this
wanton coral
That picture is genuinely painful
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I guess with bleed synergy crits would be more consistent right
no
mk6 is cavalcade + blaze away
wanton coral
Ah
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blaze away just fits it better
wanton coral
Zealot brain
nimble bridge
that is way to much effort to get survivalist
exec stance is just for wallhack?
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because the main dps source is crit itself
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exec stance is just for wallhack?
no like, why smoke + survivalist
nimble bridge
just picked one from gameslantern
dry cloak
Mate mk6 ripper you do either. Double dot tipper build witch is fun or you take blaze away and rending pbb
calm shard
I guess with bleed synergy crits would be more consistent right
No, but it's fun
I like my double dot Mk6 ripper because it means minimum pellet count kills things
And I can really work that flat spread it has
unreal nova
just picked one from gameslantern
Most non-private gameslantern builds are awful trash, you know.
Even the highly rated ones... THose are just Youtuber slop where they beg their fans to upvote.
dry cloak
If you want good oggy builds check ogrynomicon
vernal ermine
Can't we just fill the smoke grenades with holy warter to deal damage over to the heretics? 
unreal nova
Can't we just fill the smoke grenades with holy warter to deal damage over to th...
Only works if you get the Emperor to shower, I guess.
vernal ermine
Damn
nimble bridge
Most non-private gameslantern builds are awful trash, you know.
sure
slow spade
I'm still of the opinion the smoke grenades should have stims to buff teammates
Something like speed or something
XCOM +20 willpower smoke grenades I miss you
normal sparrow
it's hard to not feel it's lacking when it does this
This hurts the soul
sharp epoch
I'm still of the opinion the smoke grenades should have stims to buff teammates
I just want impact smokes, where they'll function similar to bubble psyker
manic badger
it's hard to not feel it's lacking when it does this
This just made me unreasonably angry
midnight wyvern
So anything it touches is **going** to die
build? xD
shrewd matrix
What's this guys
stoic thorn
Code
shrewd matrix
is this just copy paste from relic sword or am I confused by the naming
pseudo fiber
That seems to be relic sword stuff yeah
shrewd matrix
it's from the new weapon_traits_bespoke_powersword_p2_buff_templates.lua file
elder vessel
why is it Bespoke
pseudo fiber
it's from the new weapon_traits_bespoke_powersword_p2_buff_templates.lua file
Maybe power sword heat system?
sleek verge
What is this, a new weapon? Still an old weapon
woeful junco
p2
shrewd matrix
There are also many new related damage profiles
woeful junco
why is it Bespoke
that word shows up in the lua all the time lol
i think whenever they have a function specific to a single thing, like a blessing or a weapon attack or whatever.
it reminds me of tailoring
pseudo fiber
There are also many new related damage profiles
Does that usually indicate new marks or weapons?
slow sky
why is it Bespoke
Every weapons technical name has bespoke in it
If you see a broken blessing name or penance too it might say bespoke in it too
pseudo fiber
Maybe because we're all bespoke
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What's this guys
uh
just so u know
veteran power swords are called powersword_p1_m1 and powersword_p1_m2
shrewd matrix
so?
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here's what p2 means
shrewd matrix
regardless there are like 10 new lua files/changes related to whatever that is
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combat axe is called combataxe_p1_m1/2/3
tactical axe is called combataxe_p2_m1/2/3
sapper shovel is called combataxe_p3_m1/2/3
powersword_p2 means it's a different separate "power sword" from existing ones
if that's not a relic blade
then it's a power sword but not one of the existing power sword family
and, knowing fatshark
shrewd matrix
It couldn't be a different mark since it has new blessings and the heat mechanic
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I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to call power axe a power sword in code tbh
shrewd matrix
so it has to be a new one
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no, if it was a 3rd power sword, it'd have been called powersword_p1_m3
as in, m3 = 3rd variant
shrewd matrix
oh right
shrewd matrix
well who knows
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Does that usually indicate new marks or weapons?
my wild guess is that this is actually the power axe
there's no reason for them to introduce a power sword that isn't one of the existing power swords
and it's called p2_m1
pseudo fiber
Power saber perhaps?
pseudo fiber
One has a heat mechanic
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slightly bigger power sword
oh wow new weapon
whatever it is, it's a new weapon
it having p2_m1 in its name already says it
part 2, mark 1
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did code show which class this is available to
shrewd matrix
there are damage profiles for "heavy sword" that has been activated
and whatever this is damage_templates.heavy_sword_tank_active_p2
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heavy sword_p2 would also be a new weapon
current 3 are p1_m1/2/3
2h power sword for veteran??
separate from relic blade?
shrewd matrix
pseudo fiber
Well would you look at that
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there were 2 leaked power axe models
and now 2 marks for this mysterious powersword_p2
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What is the relic blades thingy
powersword_2h_p1_m1/2 (now has a m3)
atomic void
new relic varient? 
atomic void
mods?
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<@&735928989146939404>
tame lodge
I don't speak German neither
pseudo fiber
Gone
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these prob new blessings
tame lodge
Oh those are the traits yeah
But I was just showing how bespoke is everywhere
Didn't check stuff yet
Probably won't be able to
It's a busy week
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new veteran armor is pretty cool
unreal nova
Not commissar, meh unless free.
atomic void
new veteran armor is pretty cool
judge dredd ahh set
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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadian_110th
in game it's called stygian
still 110th tho
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yea thursday prob
there's a plasma gun skin that looks like default
don't bother lol
unreal nova
grey gun with same model as commissary skin
Grey?
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best plasma skin is still the kasrkin one
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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadian_110th
hybrid prawn
the brown one?
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shame it doesn't rly look that good with scion helmet
hybrid prawn
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conflicting colors
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no it's grey here lol
elder vessel
shame it doesn't rly look that good with scion helmet
Almost like the scion helmet is fcuking garbage or something
dry cloak
big plasma ?
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Almost like the scion helmet is fcuking garbage or something
it's the best helmet for veteran lol
hybrid prawn
big plasma ?
old pic
dry cloak
aye
elder vessel
it's the best helmet for veteran lol
kekw no it isnt
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kekw no it isnt
ya it is lol
elder vessel
ugly shade of green
insanely overpriced
slop.
fits with exactly 0 armor sets without mods
piss yellow eyes
pseudo fiber
It uses the same green they tend to use for cadian stuff
elder vessel
You know what would really go good with a scion helmet
How about some tempestus scion armor
vernal ermine
shame it doesn't rly look that good with scion helmet
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How about some tempestus scion armor
yea that's in the game
unreleased
and unfinished
atomic void
best voice modulator in the game is the one on this 
pair it with judge zealot and u sound like a monster
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best voice modulator in the game is the one on this <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
this is the same voice modulator
atomic void
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for zealot this is one of the best yea
atomic void
this voice modulator would go hard with male cutthroat vet
FOR CREED (angry monster noises)
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this voice modulator would go hard with male cutthroat vet
u can already do that with scion helm + male cutthroat
and yes it's very good
atomic void
ill try the voice sample out with the hidden items mod
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turns male cutthroat from whiny to angry
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never thought he's whiny tbh
stoic thorn
EXE STANCE PLASMA SWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
How it feels being the only guy who can absolutely melt specials and elites
I also had a mod to play kick-start my heart during Exe Stance
pseudo fiber
and piss yellow
Just untextured brown is their untextured colour
The enforcer stuff was brown
Then it became yellow
unreal nova
this is the same voice modulator
Path, how many diff modulators are there atm?
stiff glacier
what
grand perch
wat
nimble canyon
double barrel shotgun is so much fun
stiff glacier
fatshark hotfixes
trim badger
void dragon
Veteran will be replaced with ratling
void dragon
It will replace the entirety of the veteran class, for it is better
Ratling supremacy
stiff glacier
i wonder what variety of accent from united kingdom would ratlings have
balmy flume
Scottish or Irish (yes I know Ireland is not UK but still) would be funny
Also getting true sniper rifles, imagine that…
quiet valley
EXE STANCE PLASMA SWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
Exec Stance 🔥
Plasma 🤮
tame lodge
Bro got the plasma gunner role and said frag it, double and give to me
stiff glacier
dude creates miniature warprift on overcharge
pseudo fiber
I want to roll as many hazard rolls as I can
I want to be a bigger danger to myself than enemies
unreal nova
I want to roll as many hazard rolls as I can
High risk, high rewards, RIGHT?
pseudo fiber
Not usually no hahahaha
void dragon
I want to be a bigger danger to myself than enemies
When you eventually explode, try to kill some heretics with the big boom ok?
gritty furnace
Okay so this + ES and MF has been fun
shrewd matrix
The new power sword damage profiles are just poorly named, e.g. "heavy_sword_p2" is the damage profile for the heavy attack and "light_sword_p2" is the light attack, hence my confusion
pseudo fiber
It wouldn't be programming if they weren't
pseudo fiber
Talked about them too much GW wrote them out of canon
slow spade
obviously a ratling stole the voicelines
elder vessel
"Level 30 rejects will no longer talk about ratlings."
Ratling class
I'm a little sad if its ratlings
Cuz i was counting on skitarri
id have my 5th character that I never play convert to the machine cult and be a skitarri
tame lodge
why
Back in September
A player got tired of hearing about Ratling and decided to kill them all so he wouldn't hear the line
Welp
He succeeded
💀
void dragon
He succeeded
wow, the ratling exterminatus had lore? crazy
void dragon
Maybe his rations got stolen by a ratling
not everyone is fond to the homo sapiens minimus
austere pine
i just did the darktide equivalent of vietnam's fragging. a player was holding us down the entire match due to constant misplays and at the end of the mission, i, though accidentally, blew up a burster which was right on them while they were on 1 wound
hollow ibex
Should’ve done it intentionally, and earlier in the mission
If mfer wants to play pvp, he’ll get pvp 
austere pine
i don't grief, hence the actual accident
but if i were to get blamed for doing it on purpose, no one would be the wiser as to my intentions
genuinely what the hel is this blessing
"you hit the enemy harder? cool. now you shoot one less shot before having to vent."
charred finch
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-committee-to-exterminatus-all-ratling-wor...
LMFAO
raw needle
well that's not really surprising considering that happened at least once before
with foreshortened lifespans
serene bough
"you hit the enemy harder? cool. now you shoot one less shot before having to ve...
Iirc it generates 60% heat as opposed to 100% heat on shot
Never used before I just recall people discussing it a while back
sleek garden
Why would anyone hate ratling lines
In level 30 I've noticed I've heard the rattling lines probably more than any other by now
sly orchid
Why would anyone hate ratling lines
the line constantly played and the player couldnt get any other class dialogue
spark cipher
the line constantly played and the player couldnt get any other class dialogue
The ratling meatriding era is over
sly orchid
ratlings are effectively done for
which was already the case on launch but people dont listen
spark cipher
The darktidians will now yap more
dull lodge
I need a more well versed Vet to assist with a build that can get as much Crit Rate and Weak Spot damage as humanly possible along with Kraks preferably for a Weapon Specialist Build...
this is mainly to go for the penances as quickly as possible
sharp epoch
I need a more well versed Vet to assist with a build that can get as much Crit R...
marksman focus keystone would give the most finesse (weakspot+crit damage)
dull lodge
marksman focus keystone would give the most finesse (weakspot+crit damage)
I have to use Weapon Specialist Keystone sadly
sharp epoch
crit rate you could go the ranged path of deadshot or the melee path of like desperado and the dodging one
whats the penance btw?
dull lodge
250 Specialist/Elite kills with Critical Weak Spot hits while Weapon Specialist is active (Either Melee or Ranged)
Penance: Adept Assassin
sharp epoch
oh id just go the melee path ill make a build rq
dull lodge
wanted to be able to alternate between ranged and melee if possible to kind of juggle the procs of each
severe jolt
I need a more well versed Vet to assist with a build that can get as much Crit R...
Take the Helbore lasgun, put the Surgical blessing on it, take the node that gives +30% weak spot damage in the talent tree, the talent that makes crit hits not use ammo, and Agile Engagement(the bayonet thrust procs that talent)
sharp epoch
250 Specialist/Elite kills with Critical Weak Spot hits while Weapon Specialist ...
helbore with weapon specialist is so bad
dull lodge
is there any way to implement kraks in there rather than frags??
trying to double dip the penances in one there
sharp epoch
yeah just grab kraks and tinkerer I guess instead of frag and survivalist
sharp epoch
is there any way to implement kraks in there rather than frags??
I'd suggest a melee that is good at weakspots and hordeclear like rashad or ps and a precision ranged weapon like revolver or plasma or bolt pistol even
severe jolt
Don't you think that's the beauty of the Helbore WS build? That you can pick your melee weapon freely since the one on your ranged weapon already does most of the work.
sharp epoch
But it's like dueling sword but worse 😭
hollow ibex
Don't you think that's the beauty of the Helbore WS build? That you can pick you...
Beauty. Helbore WS. Pick one.
severe jolt
But it's like dueling sword but worse 😭
That's the point. You already have a knife so you get more freedom to pick your actual melee weapon.
orchid hemlock
I need a more well versed Vet to assist with a build that can get as much Crit R...
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balmy flume
I got the thing
I got the 500 rescue penance.
Also I love the choir background going on in the Mourning Star lol
hollow ibex
Jesper Kyd 🔥
charred finch
jesper kyd with the hot shyd
it really is the best song for getting a participation trophy
onyx otter
do ya guys prefer bolter or plasma on Vet?
narrow frost
Dbarrel
charred finch
do ya guys prefer bolter or plasma on Vet?
bistol
quaint marsh
How spin grenade pin
hollow ibex
do ya guys prefer bolter or plasma on Vet?
If it has to be one or the other, bolter for style points
charred finch
but if i had to pick between the two it'd be plasgun simply because boltgun's swap is so atrociously slow
lean vine
https://youtu.be/Hma-Rtvs4xA?si=mZkNA2RC1BejOMW7
I FUCKING knew I wasn't going insane, you DO hear it while in the Mourningstar. I log in and while browsing my inventory I'm like...am I hearing Path of Trust? 🤔 For a moment I thought I was losing my shit because I never recalled that playing xD
void dragon
question: does the veteran have a "Boss killer" build? ogryn and zealot seems to be the most suited for that but can the psyker and veteran cover that role at all?
lean vine
question: does the veteran have a "Boss killer" build? ogryn and zealot seems to...
Uhm, I too would like to know that answer because so far I either run Bolter with Brittleness or run the bleed/burn build with lasgun and 40% arp and melt them with dots xD
hollow ibex
question: does the veteran have a "Boss killer" build? ogryn and zealot seems to...
Yeah bolter, Krak, IAG, SAP, agrivolver, even shotgun
There’s quite a few options if you want to focus on boss killing
lean vine
what's IAG and SAP?
hollow ibex
Auto gun and shredder pistol
lean vine
wait...really?
vigilant melts bosses?
and the shredder autogun?
O.o
Mk IX for vigilant?
hollow ibex
vigilant melts bosses?
… I was taking about infantry auto gun
hollow ibex
unreal nova
There’s quite a few options if you want to focus on boss killing
You mean recon, right?
hollow ibex
Ehh
void dragon
There’s quite a few options if you want to focus on boss killing
so its more of specific weapons than a build itself?
hollow ibex
so its more of specific weapons than a build itself?
If you want meme boss damage you build for it
Otherwise it’s just ok
raw needle
lowk
void dragon
If you want meme boss damage you build for it
but what if i dont want to meme? there is no for it?
hollow ibex
but what if i dont want to meme? there is no for it?
Then it’s just bolter
hollow ibex
vigis can melt bosses
Yeah you could, it’s just much harder to do compared to mag dumping brainlessly a bolter or SAP
unreal nova
I ran that with an unyielding Recon.
raw needle
no maybe not 1 mag
unreal nova
Was funni.
faint beacon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079235834777186406/1174011997550022687/W...
Agri is more effective at it shockingly
mainly cause it flew under the radar
unreal nova
Said build also one shots muties with dueling sword on agile uncanny.
faint beacon
been so long since they did that change I cant tell if this is post or pre finesse nerf on Vigis for bosses
raw needle
its from 2023
faint beacon
Late or early?
raw needle
late
faint beacon
Wait no thats late
raw needle
lean vine
… I was taking about infantry auto gun
Vraks, right? I haven't played it for so long I fogot that shit existed xD
tame lodge
It's a chance of playing the animation
You can like try pressing it repeatedly until you get the animation
quaint marsh
Ah thank you
slow spade
vet anti-boss strat is to run VoC with max cooldowns and try to ledge-shove the boss off
tame lodge
Use your stealth twice so you can proc 30% close damage
2 Kraks on the boss
Apply Skullcrusher
Woops
You messed the timing
No damage dealt
faint wedge
Failed to put the karking boot in smh
sharp epoch
void dragon
isnt "CLOSE, KILL, AND DO IT AGAIN!" ?
sonic kayak
IF YOU CAN BREATHE, YOU CAN KILL
hollow ibex
That’s a good one too
void dragon
"I WANT THIS KARKERS DEAD! JAJA!"
sonic kayak
Ironically enough, my favorite VoC line from the Loose Cannon is their most out-of-character one: For Terra!
cunning haven
i dunno if this is something that happened with the update now but when i full auto recon lasgun sometimes the sight moves over the hitmarker. is there a way to keep sights aligned with point of aim?
sometimes it is left or right of the sight as well
void dragon
She really likes it
is the vet i use it and really enjoy that one
serene bough
uncut pebble
Ironically enough, my favorite VoC line from the Loose Cannon is their most out-...
Actually thats pretty in character.
Cutthroat and Professional are both very dogmatic, as far as I understand. Loose Cannon seems more people-oriented, so "For Terra" is more in character than "For the Emperor."
You can kinda also argue this with his cheer line where he says "For the Emperor," he's quite unenthusiastic about saying it.
tame lodge
sometimes it is left or right of the sight as well
Left and right sway on recon is usually suppression
Are you sure you weren't suppressed?
cunning haven
maybe, ill try in psychanium
yeah it must've been suppression. iron sights are a bit to the left but its not too bad
uncut pebble
i dunno if this is something that happened with the update now but when i full a...
Don't ADS.
Recon has a pretty tight hipfire spread to begin with.
Otherwise, assuming your on pc, weapon customization is a thing. You can put an actual optic on your gun with that mod.
cunning haven
it does? i mean if it actually does then i might take deadshot again.
it looks like it goes all over the place on hipfir
uncut pebble
I mean, beyond like 20m, yeah.
It's not gonna be dance of death style tight at that distance.
cunning haven
yeah, i was just thinking weapon customisation but apparently the patch broke it
uncut pebble
How so?
cunning haven
dunno, its like top post in steam discussion
uncut pebble
Ok, after looking in the modding discord, Grasman did say they broke it.
uncut pebble
They have to wait on code to decompile before we can use it again.
tame lodge
Or something along those lines
uncut pebble
Weapon customization isn't the only broken mod either, apparently.
calm shard
Apparently we got new weapon in code
whuh
calm shard
pseudo fiber
It's not a power sword rework
It's a new weapon that uses the power sword as a base
Like how the shovel is called
Combat_axe_p3_m1 (m2 and m3)
Soooo
Power axe probably?
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Apparently we got new weapon in code
3
3 confirmed weapons to be released at some point
powersword_p2_m1
powersword_p2_m2
powersword_2h_p1_m3
sonic kayak
You can kinda also argue this with his cheer line where he says "For the Emperor...
Which is why I say it's out of character for them. They don't fight for the Imperium, or glory, or honor, or any similar "justifiable" motivation(Compared to Cutthroat or Professional at the least); They fight solely for themselves. They don't have that air of religious dogma that is synonymous with being a citizen/fighter of the Imperium. There's even that line of asking about if they went renegade that anyone would join them. So shouting a battlecry like that, which carries a core religious undertone, is out of character to me. 
I mean sure they're not the Loner, but they are also not too far off
cunning haven
well, i chose my reason for being a reject as false accusation or insubordination. i can still love the emperor as a reject
sonic kayak
As you should
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Power axe probably?
power axe code is named poweraxe_2h_p1_m1 and poweraxe_2h_p1_m2
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Maybe it is a rework and they'll merge it?
Rework wouldn’t have been called powersword_p2
p2 specifically means it’s a different weapon series
calm shard
maybe they figured the easiest way to give the power sword the heat mechanic was to just remake them
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plausible
elder fiber
gotta avoid another power sword based negative review storm
tame lodge
This one is going to be because they removed the need to activate attack attack attack activate
Because new things bad
lucid crest
yes
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power axe...
is coded under a diff name from the new code string
whatever powersword_p2_m1/2 are, they're completely new
it's not power axe because the power axe names are called poweraxe_2h_p1_m1/2 from an earlier leak
unreal nova
@tall torrent How many voice modulators does DT have atm?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> How many voice modulators does DT have atm?
uh
as in, diff types?
default
light muffled
heavy muffled
raspy augmented
clear augmented
heavy augmented
prob 6?
tall torrent
Oh. I guess the havoc is the clear one then.
havoc one is muffled
unreal nova
havoc one is muffled
Oh.
tall torrent
clear augmented is like, enforcer helmet
unreal nova
To be fair, I never really had much to compare with. Just the free penance stuff.
Which all are muffled, last I checked.
unreal nova
Still.
tall torrent
this one is raspy augmented
unreal nova
Oh. Only the free stuff, can't test paid things so.
crimson pebble
if i remember one of the first augmetd voices was actually for the uh
psyker chem dog helmet
tall torrent
if i remember one of the first augmetd voices was actually for the uh
Psyker navigator helmet
sage cairn
Apparently we got new weapon in code
is there a compilation of what was seen?
faint beacon
TLDR “Power Sword”s were added and seeing how FS has straight up classified shovels as an axe variant in the code
It’s clearly a new power weapon
thin minnow
Ah the thing I heard about
thin minnow
TLDR “Power Sword”s were added and seeing how FS has straight up classified shov...
I can see why
They pretty much work the same
Feel very similar to use
faint beacon
It’s probably the leaked power axe models we saw back in feb
grand perch
Good ol Plasma
frank basin
vernal ermine
Pov: you play psyker
honest pine
is it just me or is the powersword kinda
crap
only does anything when powered
feels dependent on the special attack arather than the special attack being a bonus
hope it gets a rework to be more like the relic sword or something
uncut pebble
Everyone is hoping for that.
The thing is a paperweight when you don't have it switched on.
honest pine
yeeeaaah
plain osprey
CIVI mael online
pseudo fiber
But it's absurdly strong when it is turned on
serene bough
Looking forward to tomorrow
pseudo fiber
Same!
slow spade
Power sword is fine as is, just triple its damage
oblique totem
Constant powerfield when?
dry cloak
i would like for power sword to be mini relicblade
spark cipher
only does anything when powered
Vro just described nearly every power weapon
midnight totem
Vro just described nearly every power weapon
Thunder hammers do decent damage when unpowered
pseudo fiber
Crusher too
midnight totem
Relic blades also deal decent damage when unpowered
Hey. That's the majority of the other powered weapons in the game!
elder vessel
hope it gets a rework to be more like the relic sword or something
standardization is laaaaame
keep the turn it on button
or at least only change one of the marks to do that
fading yarrow
Whenever I use an inactive Vet Power Sword to attack it just makes me think of Konrad and Vulkan when he gets his hammer back
Poxer: Your power field is off. You have no hope of harming me.
Me: The field is off, true... But it's also a sword.
Swing, weak spot hit, butter knife damage
elder vessel
chainsword rev makes it better but instead of activating or using heat or peril
it has ammo
fuel
midnight totem
standardization is laaaaame
I agree
Honestly ps should have 2 powered swings as a base
fading yarrow
standardization is laaaaame
Standardization is good when the results are good 
; as it stands, Vet's power swords are just plain piddly in comparison to the damage output of the relic blade. The need to constantly repower the blade in order to do any damage just makes it a chore to use, whereas the relic blade's overheat and cooldown not only feels more immersive, but also is just more balanced
It's like preferring a pull-start lawnmower to a lawnmower that just needs the handles squeezed
slow spade
They should make the relic blade also be charged
atomic void
NO
slow spade
Zealots don't deserve good things
atomic void
kill this guy with hammers
slow spade
C:
fading yarrow
Kill this guy with rashuns
serene bough
clearly what the players want is the return of the locks 🔒
faint beacon
clearly what the players want is the return of the locks 🔒
WE WANT RNG STAT ROLLS BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️
ONLY THE 1% WILL HAVE GOD ROLLS
slow spade
Getting a god roll plasma only to have a patch change the meta
tame lodge
ONLY THE 1% WILL HAVE GOD ROLLS
This fella trying to monopolize god rolls
No not monopolize
Privatize
faint beacon
This fella trying to monopolize god rolls
atomic void
bros just want to gooomble....
sonic kayak
Honestly? I don't mind having to activate the PSword each time, it gives it its own identity. The problem is every time FS says they change the behavior of the sword where you don't have to re-activate it each time, it doesn't work
sonic kayak
So the old system before Unlocked and Loaded was you got a weapon with a set amount of stats.. and that's it
No Empowerment or Mastery
You also had 2 maximum changes you could make between blessings and perks
After those 2 changes, your weapon was locked, which was represented by literally having locks on the rest of your unchanged attributes
sly orchid
It isn't rng anymore?
Launch darktide was horrid
No stat increasing 2 locks on weapon changes
heavy rover
Ah, those were the days
sonic kayak
Weapons were also not weapon families but individual weapons with their own individual blessing pools, I.E. You wanna use Falter on the Lasgun Mk 7 but have it on the Mk 9, so you have to find another Lasgun Mk 7 with Falter, sacrifice it to earn the blessing, so then you can use 1 of your 2 changes to put it on
slow spade
Launch Darktide Powersword had genuinely infinite cleave and 3 charged attacks per activation
But melee had guaranteed 10% bleedthrough
So you know everyone was suffering 
grand perch
Weapons were also not weapon families but *individual* weapons with their own in...
you were always able to sacrifice the mk9 with fatler to get the blessing for the whole infantry lasgun family
there were always families that earned blessings together
clear oriole
Been a while i played, question about the veteran revolver, is there no version of it where the right click aim ? And not that hip fire or whatever
wicked epoch
what mod is breaking darktide this time
cunning haven
i've switched from shovel to power sword and i feel far more effective in havoc. it clears hordes nicely and i can help support my teammates better. more difficult to clutch, but i dont need to clutch as often so i think its a plus. big problem i have is i cant figure out how to deal with the lieutenants and almost every havoc loss is to them.
is it better to use uncharged attacks against shield and then shoot them with infernus?
power sword feels too slow for bosses
warm schooner
I've found more success orbiting the boss fight and murdering specials and hordes
smokes for the lts is most consistent
hollow ibex
Been a while i played, question about the veteran revolver, is there no version ...
the zarona mark is the one with ADS
tame lodge
Been a while i played, question about the veteran revolver, is there no version ...
Your current mark is the Agripina
You're currently cowboy maxxing
Change to Zarona
cunning haven
are chainswords best for breaking shields?
warm schooner
effective against shields, but not effective for the other things that need to be solved for in havoc
cunning haven
do u know if unpowered attacks with power swords are better for shields?
warm schooner
no
they are not effective
there is a damage cap on the shields per strike and the unpowered strikes are under that threshold
cunning haven
damn, i really like recon + power sword combo but i feel stuck against lietenants
maybe krak is good?
warm schooner
kraks dont stick to shield or the captain/lt bosses
use smokes
smokes break the ranged twin ai which is honestly in some ways more dangerous than the sword one
because oftentimes you're forced to fight the twins in tight spaces
so if you hold the twins in the smoke, the ranged twin just stands in place
cunning haven
hmm, im considering it. the talent tax is a bit harsh
warm schooner
of course the problem is your team needs to understand that
pulsar radish
Everyone ready for the veteran reveal..
We get..
4 dollars.
That's all. You can go back outside noe
cunning haven
of course the problem is your team needs to understand that
i almost always play public lobbies
warm schooner
yeah that's the problem I've noticed
I get shit constantly about using smoke
a lot of the h40 crowd now gets it, but the newer people trying give me shit
cunning haven
i miss old bayonet so much i could pop the shields basically immediately. it was hilarious
pulsar radish
Smokes are great, but the problem is they fall into the trap of " krak/shredder would kill it" so smoke falls into some niche uses at times.
warm schooner
that's true in low havoc and AM
high havoc the small gunner and gunner packs can shred teams and bubbles instantly
pulsar radish
Yeah, last I used smokes at times they could be rather buggy.
warm schooner
you can still make it work but it's a lot safer most of the time to smoke things
pulsar radish
I remember getting 360 no scoped from a sniper whilst I was in my smoke cloud lol
warm schooner
its not buggy, it depends on when they target locked you
if they had you locked before the smoke is in place, you need to dodge/move
cunning haven
is this good idea with combat blade?
pulsar radish
As I said that was the last time which was well before the updates to it.
warm schooner
is this good idea with combat blade?
combat blade clear in havoc for vet is nowhere near as good as ps6
havoc wrecks a lot of these statements because hitmass and hp changes
pulsar radish
^
cunning haven
and how about rashad?
clear oriole
Your current mark is the Agripina
You're currently cowboy maxxing
tyvm didn't even knew that was possible
warm schooner
rashad breakpoints no longer work
pulsar radish
I don't really like the ps, and I'm a big shovel fan
warm schooner
falls off hard as a result
vet melee options in high havoc are garbage tbh
if you want to carry that is
cunning haven
I don't really like the ps, and I'm a big shovel fan
i struggle with shovel in havoc 20+ i cant solo a doorway
but it is much better for lieutenants
warm schooner
you can make shovel work but it won't be as effective for clear as ps6
pulsar radish
Are you using the standard shovel or the break neck one?
pulsar radish
It's the one that snaps at the shovel point right?
warm schooner
that's the standard non snap one
cunning haven
no, this one got the poke
cunning haven
it swings fast and hits hard but in havoc the hordes are too thick
pulsar radish
Ah the poke is good but I much prefer the snap one
cunning haven
yeah, i might need to change blessing
pulsar radish
Whilst it won't kill like the ps does, it can defo hold back a horde
cunning haven
they manage to push through a door if i dont use nades or get help in some way
pulsar radish
Maybe I've just used it too much and got comfortable with it and the recon or helbore lol
I use the snap neck one and do light heavy push combos it works alright
cunning haven
maybe i go full impact for the ultimate funny. why these 2 blessings simulataneously i dont understand
you can slap maulers around
pulsar radish
Surviving > dying
cunning haven
is trauma just inferior to hammerblow? hit must be repeated, smaller bonus and smaller uptime
like no reason to take it unless u already have hammerblow
never seen this enemy before
serene bough
was for a limited time event that happened recently
tame lodge
And big brain FS decided to put him on a penance
Then removed him
Peak Fatshark trolling right there
calm shard
fatshark coding good modifiers and unique new enemies for one off events just for them to never be seen again
pulsar radish
I judt wanted his backpack lol
calm shard
but somehow think that bringing back mothrfucking blight spreads is fun
pulsar radish
That's peak scion right there
serene bough
fatshark coding good modifiers and unique new enemies for one off events just fo...
my guess is the event is a test run for the enemy
im sure we'll see him again in the future
grand perch
but somehow think that bringing back mothrfucking blight spreads is fun
green shit 
calm shard
im sure we'll see him again in the future
tame lodge
removes blight spreads
Shadow reintroduce
Announce removal
faint beacon
> removes blight spreads
> Shadow reintroduce
> Announce removal
The people have spoken
And they say they fucking hate blight spreads
heavy rover
you can slap maulers around
Wait you can? On heavies only or with lights too?
tame lodge
is trauma just inferior to hammerblow? hit must be repeated, smaller bonus and s...
Yesnt
Trauma has a hidden bonus
Where enemies stay staggered for longer
You can see that they just stand there
heavy rover
You can see that they just stand there
...menacingly!
tame lodge
void dragon
I have tried the mk1 shovel and I think the thing that makes it work kinda well is using bleed, the issue naturally is that bleed on veteran is usually a tax because it doesn't path into survivalist, you folks think that's something holding some weapons? (Still think shovels could use some more cleave tho)
narrow frost
Give shovel DS damage profile with DS mobility. Fixed
I've had people tell me that's what would fix the bad weapons
Make them dueling swords
void dragon
How different is the mk3 with the DS outside of mobility?
hollow ibex
Make them dueling swords
That’s a fix…
void dragon
Indeed
narrow frost
How different is the mk3 with the DS outside of mobility?
I don't know the numbers but DS has the best mobility in the game
quiet valley
I don't know the numbers but DS has the best mobility in the game
Knife?
tame lodge
Not quite
narrow frost
Knife has the movetec
tame lodge
But it's up there
quiet valley
Oh you mean raw Mobility stat
narrow frost
To make it move faster then ds but DS has better dodges
void dragon
I don't know the numbers but DS has the best mobility in the game
Yeah but I wonder if the shovel ttk is near it, considering that it seems kinda ok to kill stuff like crushers with no good horde clear
quiet valley
It’s similar TTK but much more dangerous
narrow frost
Thank God they are addressing it tomorrow
void dragon
It’s similar TTK but much more dangerous
Because mobility difference, right?
quiet valley
DS has way better Unyielding dps tho
quiet valley
Because mobility difference, right?
Fold attacks
tame lodge
Because mobility difference, right?
You get stuck with folding attacks
quiet valley
Mobility too but folding attacks animation lock you for a bit
void dragon
Fold attacks
The mk3 fold attack seems quite good to fight crushers congas
sonic kayak
Mk1 stab into push attack 
void dragon
Doesn't get that stuck for long...still kinda bad
quiet valley
It’s pretty good, it’s my backup for when DS gets nerfed
tame lodge
The mk3 fold attack seems quite good to fight crushers congas
It is
But you need to fully commit
Which could lead to death
void dragon
Mk1 stab into push attack <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Kinda why I feel bleed makes the mk1 good, rend makes it kill crushers quite fast and helps it's horde clearing
tame lodge
Mk3 is the single target specialist, it sucks at everything else though
quiet valley
Mk3 is the single target specialist, it sucks at everything else though
DS is this but better in every metric
Sadly
tame lodge
While mk7 is very similar to the non foldable but with a better single target option
Just not as safe because non fold special is just one of the best interruptions in the game
It even ignores the stagger immunity of Bulwarks and Crushers after they get staggered
plain osprey
I mainly use shovels for the bonk effect.
Horde clear damage is a bit eh. But the stagger is funny as fuck
plain osprey
DS is this but better in every metric
The emperors holy toothpick is just a cheatcode at this point. It bullies most enemies into submission l, especially the heavy hitters. Ive never seen people call for more for a nerf of this particular weapon than any other
void dragon
The thing is that natural access to rending feels would go places with bleeding, if only it had good auras to justify not taking survivalist
tame lodge
The emperors holy toothpick is just a cheatcode at this point. It bullies most e...
In my opinion they should just lean more info the single target aspect
Cut the 4.5 cleave on lights to 1.5
Or no cleave at all
And that's it
Doesn't solve all problems
But at least is something
plain osprey
Fair enough. Although with the dueling sword i already use the heavy for horde clear, dacing back and forth like a rapier fencer
void dragon
Really hope they make the h1 of the Heavy swords to have better numbers vs caparace
Feel is the only thing holding it back
hollow ibex
Yeah would be nice
Right now hsword manages like 500-600 dps against crushers on vet
Which is atrocious
midnight totem
Powerfistpowerfist
faint beacon
2 handed axe and I die a happy man
midnight totem
Axes are ugly
faint beacon
The divine wrath of a pissed off navy man with a breacher axe
void dragon
Why axe when we have shovel?
void dragon
tame lodge
New shovel variant but you only attack with the broad side
void dragon
Make current ones do that for added base cleave
viral hazel
New shovel variant but you only attack with the broad side
Only if it rings like a bell when you headshot enemies with helmets
distant plaza
garand ping with every headshot
sly orchid
The divine wrath of a pissed off navy man with a breacher axe
also
navy breachers use chainfists
plain osprey
Stun maul with shield like the arbites pls
Or chain glaives/power glaives like the arbites
uncut pebble
2 handed axe and I die a happy man
The heretics on their way to shit themselves when "PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN" gets closer with an actual fire axe:
gusty escarp
How do I post images
pseudo fiber
talk more
agile forge
Heavy sword just needs to be paired with an anticarapace ranged or krak tbh
I've not tried it on vet but I can imagine it being a good flexible melee for a weapons specialist
void dragon
wonder what point between mk3 shovel and DS mk4 is the "fair and balanced" point of weapons that are meant to be single target monsters, horde crybabies
hollow ibex
I've not tried it on vet but I can imagine it being a good flexible melee for a ...
It kind of is and kind of isn’t funnily. I think it’s actually better used as a sidearm for shooter builds
Hsword doesn’t see huge benefits from big melee investment
Unlike say Rashad
agile forge
wonder what point between mk3 shovel and DS mk4 is the "fair and balanced" point...
Chain axe 4 kinda
it isn't bad against hordes in terms of safety, but has that 3 target cap
but it cheats vs ragers etc
hollow ibex
Problem is chaxe sucks
agile forge
honestly the only problem with it is that target cap
I fucking love it on my zealot
it encourages a non-The Build set-up too
narrow frost
How so?
agile forge
It just does well on a top-left path martyrdom set-up
void dragon
Chaxe 12 sacks tho
agile forge
rather than the typical top-right blazing piety stuff
presumably good on IJ too
except IJ smells funny
void dragon
IJ is good, the issue is that just like all zealot keystones it's just "damage with a ribbon"
hollow ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1374442495907205152/1...
Best use of the chaxe
void dragon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1374442495907205152/1...
This is so peak honestly
narrow frost
They rage quit after
"that actually wasn't funny, I'm going to leave"
You did it to yourself...
I didn't kill the burster
void dragon
Did they deserve such backstabbing and bambolizing?
I know they dumb but that was evil
narrow frost
Idk, was funny though
hollow ibex
lol what did they do?
void dragon
I think Ainz was just inflicting psychological damage on them to fit on the Warhammer universe
hollow ibex
Ainz just being evil to make up for helping people with penances
umbral scaffold
Can fatshark pls buff catchan swords thanks
narrow frost
Will do
spark cipher
wonder what point between mk3 shovel and DS mk4 is the "fair and balanced" point...
You mean a coughing baby vs a hydrogen bomb?
tall torrent
but it cheats vs ragers etc
can't stagger multiple ragers at once
void dragon
You mean a coughing baby vs a hydrogen bomb?
Yeah, there surely is a point where if we nerf one and buff the other will meet a point of balance, right?
sharp epoch
ds4 mobillity is just off the wall if that was nerfed it would be decently balanced
it struggles with hordes, but deals well with single target is fine for balance its just the insane mobillity and defensive stats make it so good
hollow ibex
Single target deletion is too good still imo
sharp epoch
there needs to be a weapon that fits that archtype
void dragon
With rending it laughs at everything
sharp epoch
it just has too much benefits right now like 5 dodges and really nice move speed
hollow ibex
there needs to be a weapon that fits that archtype
Like knife does it well, and has great mobility but DS has range
Obviously can’t nerf the range, so damage should go down
And mobility as well
void dragon
What equivalent buffs should the mk3 shovel undergo?
sharp epoch
once ds gets nerfed everyones swapping to knife tbh
mobillity is just king for ranged classes like psyker and vet
even zealot
sharp epoch
What equivalent buffs should the mk3 shovel undergo?
I don't use shovel but those flipping type shovels need better handling like faster specials
void dragon
I don't use shovel but those flipping type shovels need better handling like fas...
The special of the mk3 is particularly good to use vs mobs of maulers/crushers, since the special doesn't get stuck for long and it can interrupt their swings, but it's horde clear capacity is kinda garbo
sharp epoch
its hordeclear should be near rashads tbh one shot bruisers at least on lights
austere mica
"Its hordeclear should be near the best clearing weapon in the game"
unreal nova
The special of the mk3 is particularly good to use vs mobs of maulers/crushers, ...
It's just gonna bulli things than kill tbh.
void dragon
"Its hordeclear should be near the best clearing weapon in the game"
So same as Heavy sword?
Because PSword reason to exist is it's active
Without it is REALLY terrible
honest pine
standardization is laaaaame
then its unpowered damage needs a significant buff
One way to do it would be to make it so that instead of the activation increasing its damage it just gives it 100% rending or something
And ignores all hitmass
So you get one really strong swing that takes a chunk out of carapace enemies
but you can still slash normally through regular enemies
tall torrent
What exactly is the shovel supposed to do
it's meant to be used as a gaslighting tool
honest pine
shovel is another weapon in desperate need of a buff
tall torrent
Somehow mid
yea
tame lodge
Truly a Fatshark moment
hollow ibex
it's meant to be used as a gaslighting tool
It generates funny sfx
narrow frost
@tall torrent thoughts on mk6 PA perks for havoc
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> thoughts on mk6 PA perks for havoc
what is mk6 PA
void dragon
it's meant to be used as a gaslighting tool
come on Path, but seriously what its the role its SUPPOSED to fulfill? isnt a jack of all trades kind of thing?
tall torrent
come on Path, but seriously what its the role its SUPPOSED to fulfill? isnt a ja...
I am very seriously telling u that it's very good at being used as a gaslighting tool
tall torrent
PS
carapace + elite
can swap elite for unyielding but it doesn't rly matter too much
void dragon
I am very seriously telling u that it's very good at being used as a gaslighting...
Im VERY aware of that fact, just wondering on a game tool level what role its would be meant to fill if a competent game dev crew is making it
because in the hands of Obesefish its on an odd place
atomic void
it fullfills the role of bashing someone in the head with a shovel
everyday im shoveling
tall torrent
Im VERY aware of that fact, just wondering on a game tool level what role its wo...
gaslighting, probably
void dragon
gaslighting, probably
gosh darnit Path!
tall torrent
because it'd be weird if a shovel could heavy stagger elites
atomic void
shovel on ogryn is as big as the vet's body
u can probably give the big man a giant rock and itll be a nuke
oh wait
tame lodge
gosh darnit Path!
Ok
So, path wants like 5 shovel buffs
Because shovels aren't
Good
But everybody goes
Bonk
Bonk
Bonk
"It's good because bonk"
limpid reef
Are the pins still viable?
hollow ibex
Are the pins still viable?
the hammer of the emperor guide is still mostly up to date
given vet's barely seen any changes lol
tall torrent
Ok
So, path wants like 5 shovel buffs
at least 5
limpid reef
the hammer of the emperor guide is still mostly up to date
That link is broken af on my phone guess YouTube it is
void dragon
Ok
So, path wants like 5 shovel buffs
OH I understand where he is comming, its just that i want a straigh answer and he is to traumatized to give it to me XD
the shovel do FEEL that can have potential, but at the same time is like "this thing is killing X where with other weapons would kill 1.6X"
unreal nova
That link is broken af on my phone guess YouTube it is
No PC?
hollow ibex
That link is broken af on my phone guess YouTube it is
try downloading the PDF. youtube is an awful source of information for anything darktide
actually here
no viruses, i promise
limpid reef
No PC?
It’s in a bin right now gunna stick to ps5 gaming till next winter but probably won’t be picking it up again for PC just need to dial in on one so I can get my penances complete. (Bought the game 5x now)
tame lodge
the shovel do FEEL that can have potential, but at the same time is like "this t...
Which is crazy because Shovel has really strong blessings combo
unreal nova
It’s in a bin right now gunna stick to ps5 gaming till next winter but probably ...
Oh, lul. Kinda sucks you can't have proper shared acct between them all.
limpid reef
Oh, lul. Kinda sucks you can't have proper shared acct between them all.
My thoughts exactly 😦
limpid reef
try downloading the PDF. youtube is an awful source of information for anything ...
Thank you!!!
sonic kayak
try downloading the PDF. youtube is an awful source of information for anything ...
Not true, my YouTube is good because I made it
unreal nova
Worse is the fact you have a Fatshark account and there is bindings to accounts.
unreal nova
Not true, my YouTube is good because I made it <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180...
Youtube builds are bad or memes.
sonic kayak
Naaah, mine are good because I made them
i haven't even uploaded any Darktide videos except one pre Relic Blade
void dragon
Which is crazy because Shovel has really strong blessings combo
kinda why i say we should try to meet the DS and the shovels so the broken state of one and the mediocrity of the other form a bamanced weapon
testing the shovels it's ttk of mk7 isnt really that bad compared to power sword, but it would make more sense if the horde clearing of the weapon wasn't as atrocious
also, wonder how better the weapon would be if it had easier access to bleeding
unreal nova
testing the shovels it's ttk of mk7 isnt really that bad compared to power sword...
Just go og or 3 tbh.
7 is worst of both worlds.
void dragon
Just go og or 3 tbh.
Path said that mk3 is garbo
but is because 1 and 7 have real horde clear
tried 3 and GOOD LORD it was pain(t)
unreal nova
Path said that mk3 is garbo
MK3 is pure funni meme one shot crushers.
void dragon
feels like what the DS would be if it was not broken
unreal nova
Og is CC the Shovel.
7 folding kinda bleah.
Too slow if you need to deal with too many.
Also worse at pure CC compared to OG.
You know the special is funni.
void dragon
Poop scooper Emphrur
unreal nova
But yeah, I rather go all in than use a halfarsed hybird that is much worse at either of the stuff.
void dragon
(mk3) probably best used on a full on grenade build, so you dont have to deal (much) with the awful horde clear and can bonk elites
unreal nova
(mk3) probably best used on a full on grenade build, so you dont have to deal (m...
I mean, why do you think I consider it best?
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void dragon
math checks out i guess
still would def need a buff as Path say...so its not just to gaslight ppl
tall torrent
(mk3) probably best used on a full on grenade build, so you dont have to deal (m...
nah
tall torrent
(mk3) probably best used on a full on grenade build, so you dont have to deal (m...
this some peak gaslighting
void dragon
this some peak gaslighting
i dont say its good, im saying where would work best
we are still speaking of garbo