The horse of wisdom when I ask it if I should continue gambling
#veteran-class
faint beacon
next escarp
whats a good melee to pair with db on vet
pseudo fiber
Can't ever go wrong with power sword
next escarp
ive been running chainaxe so far but i feel like i still struggle with hordes bc there's always that one straggler that comes up behind
hollow ibex
ive been running chainaxe so far but i feel like i still struggle with hordes bc...
yeah that's cuz chsword is ass lol
if you want to meta slave, run rashad or PS
next escarp
im gonna try out the other mark of chaxe actually ive been using mk12
trying to get a fast ttk for most enemies to try and proc always prepared under weapons specialist as often as possible
calm shard
green chainaxe can one shot headshot ragers with light attacks
umbral scaffold
green chainaxe can one shot headshot ragers with light attacks
devil claw parry says hello
hollow ibex
im gonna try out the other mark of chaxe actually ive been using mk12
mk12 is especially bad
tropic notch
I love the chain axe on vet
sharp epoch
if you want to meta slave, run rashad or PS
nah thats ds
hollow ibex
i'd say that's worse for DB WS actually
next escarp
it's like TTK with a fallback for low ammo or hordeclear when i can't pull out the db
thats what i need
slow spade
just had a team detonate 4 barrels on me in less than 30 seconds
formal ice
just had a team detonate 4 barrels on me in less than 30 seconds
If your team agreed on killing you then you must be the wrong one in the history
slow spade
If your team agreed on killing you then you must be the wrong one in the history
"no more VOC for you" :p
sharp epoch
i'd say that's worse for DB WS actually
that build pretty much you need ps cause your just buffing your melee with the db
so yeah but typical metaslave would be plasma + ds
umbral scaffold
Is it possible to block crushers overhead with +3 stamina and 36% block efficiency without a devil claw parry
tall torrent
Is it possible to block crushers overhead with +3 stamina and 36% block efficien...
no
"unblockable" is coded into that attack
formal ice
So devil claw it is..pain
Why do you want to block unlockable attacks?
umbral scaffold
Power move
He gets it
void dragon
Exe stance gaming
toxic cedar
hey what’s the best mark 14 recon lasgun build for havoc?
trying to stop dying in havoc while actually getting progress towards the havoc armor
also what version of the devils claw sword is best?
hollow ibex
also what version of the devils claw sword is best?
anything but 1, but they all suck
hollow ibex
hey what’s the best mark 14 recon lasgun build for havoc?
@quiet valley's moment to shine
toxic cedar
anything but 1, but they all suck
damn
I just cannot stop dying in havoc despite trying my best and doing well w the shock maul and recon lasgun
elder vessel
Recon Lasgun is so fucking boring
toxic cedar
I like the one w the max fire rate
unreal nova
I just cannot stop dying in havoc despite trying my best and doing well w the sh...
Don't use shock maul.
toxic cedar
alright..
I tried the power sword for a bit too but that just gets me killed every time
elder vessel
I tried the power sword for a bit too but that just gets me killed every time
push > back dodge > activate > swing
unreal nova
Blue is 12.
toxic cedar
well
unreal nova
Xiv is brown.
tall torrent
I tried the power sword for a bit too but that just gets me killed every time
power sword required u to remember that pushing but not push attacking is a thing
elder vessel
Recon Lasgun is so fucking boring
tfw ADS + hold trigger and nothing else happens is the most exciting thing that happens with that build
toxic cedar
otherwise it barely does damage without it
tall torrent
just to activate when you’re surrounded
which power sword are u using
tall torrent
u can block cancel the activation animation
toxic cedar
what ab braced I got one of them leveled
elder vessel
Infantry has ADS but its not recoiless like Recon so its actually not mind numbingly boring
elder vessel
what ab braced I got one of them leveled
Use the Agri Bratuto
brown one
Low Fire Rate, Higher Damage
tall torrent
I tried the power sword for a bit too but that just gets me killed every time
what havoc are u in?
toxic cedar
it’s got fire frenzy and ceaseless barrage lvl4
toxic cedar
what havoc are u in?
assignment rank 8 now but I just join others at usual 25-30
highest I got personally was like rank 16 then I kept dying
hardest part honestly is just finding other players atp
can’t really auto queue and asking for invites are usually declined
im not tryna do like max havoc or anything either just plain easy havoc so I can level the penances
tall torrent
im not tryna do like max havoc or anything either just plain easy havoc so I can...
look for <20 then
or host your own
toxic cedar
I’ll try hosting my own ig
unreal nova
But for hat, need assists.
toxic cedar
yeah
toxic cedar
im not super bad or anything but I’ll always die to something dumb or random
I’ve done auric and maelstrom stuff before but im only doing havoc for the set
skill issue ig
toxic cedar
idk half the time they go perfectly other half terribly or I don’t even get into a match at all
im 8/42 for the helm and chest penances so far
50 I mean
toxic cedar
having a big Ogryn named gigachad
orchid hemlock
Play Psyker
toxic cedar
that’s how the last one I won went
fair enough
do the penances keep the progress across characters
like if I did do the rest on Psyker would the armor be unlocked for all characters?
orchid hemlock
having a big Ogryn named gigachad
this is close to playing psyker: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d956369-9f58-4465-be55-c97c268a96e3/harambe-memorial?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
toxic cedar
neat
unreal nova
do the penances keep the progress across characters
Is shared.
toxic cedar
Is shared.
ok good
unreal nova
Like how all the not die/not downed ones are.
tall torrent
like if I did do the rest on Psyker would the armor be unlocked for all characte...
outside of archetype-exclusive penances, all are account-wide
unreal nova
outside of archetype-exclusive penances, all are account-wide
Unlocking psyker's perils boom with plasma says hi.
tall torrent
Unlocking psyker's perils boom with plasma says hi.
didn't that get patched
unreal nova
didn't that get patched
Dunno. But it happened and was funni.
Honestly, if they didn't patch it, is also fine. Is just a silly thing anyway.
hollow ibex
@tall torrent quick question. for the purposes of redirect fire, 8 stacks is basically giving +4.5% damage right?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> quick question. for the purposes of redirect fire, 8 stac...
yes
hollow ibex
that's what i would assume based on the tooltips, but the tooltips are wrong half the time...
tall torrent
7.5% -> 12%
tall torrent
so 4.5% difference
toxic cedar
outside of archetype-exclusive penances, all are account-wide
welp im playing Psyker now
now all I need is people
tropic notch
How bad is competitive urge?
tall torrent
How bad is competitive urge?
mid at best
tropic notch
mid at best
It doesn’t seem terrible but it could use a buff
hollow ibex
it's ok but competing with way too much actually good shit at the bottom of the tree
- taxes
so it's basically never worth taking
tropic notch
If I had like 4 or 6 extra points I’d maybe get it
hollow ibex
true
tall torrent
It doesn’t seem terrible but it could use a buff
2.5% chance is really bad
tropic notch
Crazy how vet has like 2 25 toughness
tropic notch
2.5% chance is really bad
Das why i said it could use a buff
tall torrent
Crazy how vet has like 2 25 toughness
usually u can only afford 1
tall torrent
Das why i said it could use a buff
2.5% chance in statistics terms is >99% chance it'll work once across 182 enemies killed by team
tropic notch
Fuck my stupid vet life
tall torrent
and the buff itself not interesting
if it was crit chance and atk speed
would be way better
hollow ibex
usually u can only afford 1
i really try to pick up 2
tall torrent
u have to trade important talents to get both
or ur using weapons that don't care abt left
tropic notch
I really wish flat damage bumps like bring it down, superiority complex, and precision strikes were on the weapon specialist tree
calm shard
2.5% chance in statistics terms is >99% chance it'll work once across 182 enemie...
nah easy value
tropic notch
WS side is already really strong lol
Yeah it is but at the same time the tax is unreal
serene bough
True but its worth all the way down to trench fighter
tall torrent
nah easy value
remember that it's any kill not by yourself
u have to count on teammate to kill a lot more than u do
steep pier
idk what the deal is with weapon specialist ive been using the same set up built a few different ways since week 2
and thats a krieg helbore build
they did nerf the bayonet attack speed slightly
which makes me sad helbore is the only gun i use or need on vet
faint beacon
<@820414945543716944>
One moment checking if a shit ton of progress got fucking obliterated via crashing
faint beacon
Yeah doesn't really matter anyways my shit got obliterated so I gotta redo an hours worth of progress
fml
tame lodge
Smh
YouTuber and their problems
hollow ibex
hmm not bad for 30 min
sharp epoch
hmm not bad for 30 min
bring to h40 😤
quiet valley
Yea Manstopper only gets better the more density there is
hollow ibex
sharp epoch
Yea Manstopper only gets better the more density there is
tbh using that for hordeclear is not that ammo efficient on havoc, I just use it to trigger agile engagement
hollow ibex
i love shotgunners
sharp epoch
with stealth wadaflip
faint beacon
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13842183879913049084/34C45E94771AA601B60649...
Im going to unironically say this
I hope they add a Slug variant to the DB
I would absolutely rock the fuck out of that
hollow ibex
could be funny, but unless it gets some crazy damage, i don't see that being stronger than current DB
faint beacon
See I simply want something that if aimed correctly will delete a horde and also be decent at range
if that happens im fucking sold immediately
inb4 bolter
LMAO
Still the feeling of a Slug Shell DB is just
Bliss, and this is coming from Battlefield 1 experience
dry cloak
2 other marks of db would be nice
uncut pebble
I hope they add a Slug variant to the DB
This, but it has to be over-under, not side-by-side.
faint beacon
This, but it *has* to be over-under, not side-by-side.
You’re asking them to make a whole new gun
uncut pebble
I long for the slug olympia.
uncut pebble
You’re asking them to make a whole new gun
It would not be a challenge to do that.
And what worries me about it being side-by-side would be fatshark going "ok but we are making it be slightly off on either side of the reticle so you cant snipe at distance."
faint beacon
And what worries me about it being side-by-side would be fatshark going "ok but ...
I’m calling it right now
ADS fires both barrels cause fuck you even though it literally Aims vs bracing
timber otter
Hello
faint beacon
Should set my day for that
frank basin
Happy judgement day
frank basin
He shall walk again on this earth
thin minnow
queen sky
is this heavy sword set up correctly?
have i made any mistakes with it?
because it takes at least two hits to kill a Heresy poxwalker, even taking the time to ensure every hit is a headshot
compare this to the Chainsword, which i'm told is unusable garbage, that will easily onetap a poxwalker every time
normal bay
because it takes at least two hits to kill a Heresy poxwalker, even taking the t...
Are you using lights?
queen sky
yes, it's a horde so surely i want to attack into it with broad swings instead of winding up slow heavies over and over?
tame lodge
is this heavy sword set up correctly?
No
Change the mark to mk9
Then it's all set to go
queen sky
ty, doing so
queen sky
Heavy sword you usually either spam heavies or alternate light/heavy
good lord that feels awful
people live like this?
tame lodge
Mk9 is just easier to use
queen sky
this is the meautiful meta do-everything?
tame lodge
people live like this?
I'm speaking for myself here but yes
Combo weapons are a jam
normal bay
Yes, heavy sword IX has some of fastest horde clear in the game and can deal with ragers, muties much better than chainsword
queen sky
i guess this must be another Auric thing
queen sky
i'm currently at Heresy and the heavy sword feels so awful, even when chaining heavies as directed, that it's ineffective
compare to the chainsword that will mulch poxwalkers with every swing
normal bay
Are you using the heavy attacks as fast as possible? They come out pretty quick. You will want to space yourself correctly from the horde too
queen sky
i'm sure it's beautiful at auric or Mega-Damnation or whatever where the breakpoints get weird and you have to be doing all the damage or you die, but the heavy sword is so slow to do anything that at normal difficulties it's unusable
normal bay
queen sky
Are you using the heavy attacks as fast as possible? They come out pretty quick....
as far as i can tell yeah
there's no metronome
normal bay
If anything, it falls off due to cara spam lol
queen sky
who is cara
tame lodge
Mk9 heavy 2 and heavy 3 loop infinitely so you're using those on hordes
Special attack can stagger ragers and maulers
Special will lead into heavy 1 which is the big damage one
queen sky
Mk9 heavy 2 and heavy 3 loop infinitely so you're using those on hordes
are you sure? i keep coming back around to the big vertical strikedown every 3 attacks
tame lodge
Yes I'm sure
normal bay
Yes, Heavy IX is infinite horizontal heavies
queen sky
playing around with the timing it seems inconsistient so maybe some input is getting eaten during some recovery somewhere
normal bay
You can't break the combo though, or it'll reset
queen sky
yeah if i'm looking for it i'm noticing that the blow before the strikedown appears feels a bit off
i think a heavy attack input is getting eaten by a recovery
this is such a finnicky and miserable weapon
normal bay
This sounds like you've used the VI
queen sky
nope still the IX
normal bay
I don't know what you're doing. Did the mk actually switch in the psychanium?
Sometimes it sticks due to a bug
tame lodge
Miserable weapon and it's the top 5 veteran weapon
queen sky
looks about right
tame lodge
😭
queen sky
yeah god the timing on these swings keeps changing
i think some of these click > hold inputs are getting registered as clicks and they're coming out as lights?
charred finch
you aren't trying to sprint during your combo are you
queen sky
nope i'm just standing in front of the puddle of meatgrinder poxwalkers
not even really moving
normal bay
Is your mouse working ok? No double click issues?
charred finch
iunno then just hold click and let go once your sword gets pulled back
queen sky
Is your mouse working ok? No double click issues?
not that i've ever experienced
i would record some gameplay if i had a capture card or whatever
normal bay
Could use gamebar to record
dry cloak
i would record some gameplay if i had a capture card or whatever
Use steam record featurea
charred finch
but hs9 is just heavy spam for horde, special > heavy (repeat) for single target
queen sky
Could use gamebar to record
what is a game bar?
normal bay
Xbox game bar or just use steam as magister said
charred finch
ya
queen sky
Use steam record featurea
oh wow TIL this exists
charred finch
and if you're on an nvidia gpu you've got access to shadowplay by default
queen sky
one moment
normal bay
I honestly forgot about steam recording lol. I think it's new
charred finch
it's been around for like a year now almost
dry cloak
It is
charred finch
tame lodge
Self reminder to delete some old clips
queen sky
UGH now i have to degrade it in davinci to make it fit into discord
one moment
no wait here we go
there - you can see my swing speed keeps changing, i've no clue why
these are all click-hold inputs
i know it's not a hardware issue because i don't have this problem with other melee weapons
frank basin
The overhead kill mutant high damage I remembered
Feel impactful hit
It feel right damage on mutant
queen sky
wait. now it's happening with chainsword
normal bay
Somethings wrong with your inputs
queen sky
is there a melee weapon with a very distinctive and repetitive heavy that i can test with
normal bay
Combat axe
queen sky
ty
frank basin
It’s all overhead
queen sky
specific mark?
normal bay
Rashad is all overhead for heavies and diagonal lights
charred finch
UGH now i have to degrade it in davinci to make it fit into discord
protip for videos that are too big for discord, just use this https://www.videosmaller.com/
frank basin
One finesse and one cleave damage
charred finch
this shit a lifesaver fr
queen sky
ok good news it's not a hardware issue
frank basin
I love antax with special poke
queen sky
if i watch my mouse i can start pumping out an unbroken chain of overheads with the rashad
hm
i think moving is the issue?
i'm not sprinting
but when i try moving all of a sudden my chain of overheads starts becoming lights
hang on i'll take a video
frank basin
I have issue with my right mouse button also
They get flicky when I press hold down
Like double click while holding
charred finch
yeah all im noticing is that it's happening on the sweep to the left for you, my only assumption is you're just not holding long enough on the return
you need to hold lmb for like half a second after attack comes out
maybe a bit longer since i'm used to the timing on zealot with faithful frenzy
charred finch
yeah a big part of it is just timing
queen sky
if i deliberately over-charge the heavy attacks, slowing down the beat, then i can chain heavies while moving and all sorts no problem
however this comes back to my original issue - jesus christ chaining heavy attacks out of a heavy sword is SLOW
charred finch
Just keep in mind if you hold shift while pressing W whatsoever it'll instantly throw off your combo and throw you into the overhead heavy
which can be useful if you get a dreg rager in your face all of a sudden but it's important to keep in mind during hordes
normal bay
Just play Ogryn for a bit and it'll feel fast 
charred finch
Just play Ogryn for a bit and it'll feel fast <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
unless you play with bully club lol
queen sky
tried playing ogryn and the huge emphasis on knockdown for the melee felt awful
i could barely kill poxwalkers
just push them around
normal bay
unless you play with bully club lol
Full attack speed light spam does feel a bit crazy yeah lol
dreamy scaffold
i could barely kill poxwalkers
crowd control, not obliterate
charred finch
it's nuts if you go with the charge lol
dreamy scaffold
crowd tickler
charred finch
but i ended up going with loyal protector for maximum funny
dreamy scaffold
crowd pusher
charred finch
infinite ability spam
queen sky
but yeah i guess i'm going back to the chainsword
sonic kayak
crowd *control*, not *obliterate*<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
On Ogryn? Mutually exclusive
dreamy scaffold
also who said u should use heavies
queen sky
me?
dreamy scaffold
light spam like ur some Orochi main
charred finch
also who said u should use heavies
for heavy sword mk9? everyone says that
heavy sword's light attack damage is doodoo dogwater
dreamy scaffold
for heavy sword mk9? everyone says that
i dont.. so that means.. not everyone
jk
i dont really like heavy sword
charred finch
i prefer it over combat axe lol
dreamy scaffold
i cant get over how clunky the bigger weapons are
or
it just doesnt fit my playstyle
queen sky
yesss god i've switched back to chainsword and it feels SO good i'm mulching poxwalkers like a lawnmower
charred finch
combat axe has like disjointed hitboxes from the viewmodel or some shit and it feels like ass to hit weakpoints with it
dreamy scaffold
yesss god i've switched back to chainsword and it feels SO good i'm mulching pox...
honestly tho pox’ ttk isnt that crazy
its the bigger guys that are threats
charred finch
big guys are what important yeah lol
cause if you're killing them then poxwalkers aint gonna be an issue anyways
dreamy scaffold
hordes can be a threat, but they are distractions
queen sky
like i said the other day, my build is set up to use the zarona for elites and specials
dreamy scaffold
they are meant to be in your way, not kill you
charred finch
hordes *can* be a threat, but they are distractions
^ hordes serve to be in your way to make it more difficult to deal with specialists & elites
and objectives
dreamy scaffold
and fun slash
charred finch
yeah
queen sky
and then people told me "but that's wrong you fucking idiot, you should be killing everything with the combat axe/heavy sword because it kills everything all at once you just have to Swing It Correctly and everything vanishes together"
charred finch
mulching :D
dreamy scaffold
okay i say i hate heavy weapons but i main relic sword
can that really be hypocritical tho
charred finch
and then people told me "but that's wrong you fucking idiot, you should be killi...
when we mean "everything" we mean the trash mobs
dreamy scaffold
relic sword is fast
charred finch
like you're using your revolver for the right thing
queen sky
ok important clarifying question: what is a "mixed horde"?
dreamy scaffold
rev and a crowd control is perfect imo
normal bay
ok important clarifying question: what is a "mixed horde"?
Yes
charred finch
poxwalkers, regular dregs & 6th troops
dreamy scaffold
ok important clarifying question: what is a "mixed horde"?
pox, ranged, flak
charred finch
yeah
dreamy scaffold
just a lot of meat
queen sky
charred finch
just standard horde
queen sky
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING A HEAVY SWORD IS NEEDED FOR??
queen sky
CHAINSWORD DEALS WITH THEM NO PROBLEM
charred finch
well you want horde clear yeah?
dreamy scaffold
big sweeping attacks are great
charred finch
ya
dreamy scaffold
and faster
normal bay
Am I the only one that considers ragers mixed horde?
charred finch
hsword on zealot can kill 8 ragers in a single sweep with fotf lol
dreamy scaffold
Am I the only one that considers ragers mixed horde?
yeup
queen sky
if i see a rager i'm reaching for my zarona
queen sky
so far I'm onetapping them to the head like i'm deleting them with mind bullets, i love the zarona
charred finch
if i see a rager i'm reaching for my zarona
if you're on veteran that's what you should be doing
queen sky
however i am currently on Heresy
charred finch
ragers are meant to punish melee combat
normal bay
how easily are you clearing ragers?
Heavy sword, one strikdeown to the head
queen sky
if you're on veteran that's what you should be doing
you would not believe how many people here the other day told me it was a wrong bad stupid tactic and that i should be using the beautiful heavy sword or combat axe to simply sweep them all away at once like a magic fairy wand
dreamy scaffold
i melee ragers cuz i lik da challenge
charred finch
you would not believe how many people here the other day told me it was a wrong ...
well they're wrong bad stupid
dreamy scaffold
you would not believe how many people here the other day told me it was a wrong ...
yea most people here are.. different
charred finch
call them stinky next time
ur not on zealot
do not be beholden to deal with everything in melee combat, you don't have the toughness tanking ability zealots do even with VoC
dreamy scaffold
vet is meant for ranged takedowns
queen sky
my chainsword is for poxwalkers and the goons
dreamy scaffold
yes
dreamy scaffold
maybe its just csword hate
charred finch
maybe its just csword hate
prob
dreamy scaffold
does that still exist
queen sky
that i should be using the heavy sword or combat axe for ragers and etc.
charred finch
i personally think chainsword is mid
but on the other hand
i use shovel like a dumbass
lol
queen sky
does that still exist
they said the chainsword was trash, so
dreamy scaffold
ive liked csword even when it was bad
dreamy scaffold
they said the chainsword was trash, so
granted, it sucked before
like
it wasnt great by any means
queen sky
up here
dreamy scaffold
but that was when everyone was bursting over how good psword is
dreamy scaffold
charred finch
but that was when everyone was bursting over how good psword is
i fucking hate using psword
dreamy scaffold
i remember three guys went into an argument cuz i asked for an okay meleeker build
charred finch
it feels like ass
dreamy scaffold
it feels like ass
now its dogawful
back then people acted like it was the emperors flaming sword
dreamy scaffold
it just feels and sounds like a sharp toothpick
charred finch
psword needs to act like how it used to (aka like how relic blade now functions)
ngl
queen sky
ok good to have a sanity check that i'm actually coming to correct conclusions
dreamy scaffold
psword needs to act like how it used to (aka like how relic blade now functions)
yea.. psword nerf was when fatshark was.. still very bad at nerfs
biggest buff i know of was lasgun damage
now that was amazing
queen sky
tame lodge
Back when veteran was the best class in the game
dreamy scaffold
made people stop fiending over XII
charred finch
i wish they'd increase projectile size on the hellbore lasguns a little bit
tame lodge
dreamy scaffold
i wish they'd increase projectile size on the hellbore lasguns a little bit
better sights
charred finch
zarona & bolt pistol both get massive fucking projectiles
you'll never miss a fucking headshot with them
dreamy scaffold
zarona & bolt pistol both get massive fucking projectiles
the bolt pistol is self explanatory
charred finch
it makes it feel like it has bullet magnetism, it doesn't, but the projectile size is just massive
so it's easier to hit weakpoints with both
queen sky
it's a game balance thing
dreamy scaffold
thx for reminding me im not a really good shot
charred finch
it's fine i'm dog at aiming too
lol
which is why i immediately dropped the hellbore lmfao
queen sky
if it was easy to whiff a shot with the zarona it would be very hard to get use out of a 5-round mag
dreamy scaffold
id like to say im a good shot
charred finch
if you can kill the thing in a reasonable amount of time then you're fine
dreamy scaffold
if it was easy to whiff a shot with the zarona it would be very hard to get use ...
i feel like old rev aim was horrible..
frank basin
My inactive best friend good at shooting but shit at melee
dreamy scaffold
mightve just been me
frank basin
And my other friend also decent at melee and good shooting
charred finch
My inactive best friend good at shooting but shit at melee
it's always fun getting people into darktide and they just treat it like a regular pve shooter game
and then they run out of ammo and instantly get folded
queen sky
hm, that's weird
charred finch
will never not make me smile
queen sky
it looks like activated light attacks tick harder than activated heavy attacks on the CS?
frank basin
it's always fun getting people into darktide and they just treat it like a regul...
Well my bestie stop playing games now just read webga
queen sky
Inspect window calls it Activation
dreamy scaffold
middle mouse button
mine is set to R
charred finch
Well my bestie stop playing games now just read webga
fuck kakao corporation
they've been throwing out C&D's to every single manhwa site out there
and it's really pissing me off
queen sky
fuck em
frank basin
fuck kakao corporation
Idk what website he read, he read manhwa or Korean manga
queen sky
manga and manhwa sites always publish poorly
tame lodge
What the hell
dreamy scaffold
very confusion
queen sky
i posted photos!
tame lodge
Yeah
dreamy scaffold
ive seen heavies do more
are the photos fliped?
have we all been very very wrong?
tame lodge
Every weapon with an activation should deal more damage on active heavies
queen sky
i just double checked
charred finch
Every weapon with an activation should deal more damage on active heavies
crusher:
queen sky
heavy
tame lodge
Chainsword so cooked
queen sky
light
dreamy scaffold
dreamy scaffold
another one for the books lads and ladies
dreamy scaffold
chsword rework when
..never
queen sky
heavy
dreamy scaffold
that should so be the opposite
queen sky
heavy seems to do more damage overall however
charred finch
and tried making rev'd heavies and lights do the same damage
why the fuck would they do that
dreamy scaffold
thay should so be the opposite, no?
normal bay
why the fuck would they do that
dreamy scaffold
been playing vet for like 300+ hours never noticed
dreamy scaffold
queen sky
tame lodge
Oh yeah
What mark?
dreamy scaffold
queen sky
important to note that this is happening on the Mutant
so there may be some capping happening here
dreamy scaffold
mark?
charred finch
so there may be some capping happening here
yeah
frank basin
My favorite
charred finch
game doesn't count damage above their hp threshhold very well iirc
sometimes it does
queen sky
yeah that's what occurred to me
charred finch
sometimes it doesn't
tame lodge
Well the thing is that mutie also takes 3 times the melee damage
frank basin
Yeah chainsword did little more damage of oomph with heavy
charred finch
that's why i said you should test it on a crusher
shows discrepancy better between the two
queen sky
ok crusher time
dreamy scaffold
today on how fucked darktide is: we realized just how trash csword is
dreamy scaffold
But on armor is bleh
in lore people would agree yes
queen sky
i thought that was an obvious aspect
chainsword does flesh good and flak ok
and if you want to breach carapace you carry an anti-armour gun
dreamy scaffold
its just sorta like
queen sky
like the zarona or PG
queen sky
yeah
dreamy scaffold
but if you have csword you probably shouldnt head on those crushers
queen sky
got light damage numbers, doing heavy now
it's a bit fiddly because the guy moves around and i have to reset him sometimes
i keep catching his fucking shoulders
queen sky
the helmet variations are cosmetic i assume?
charred finch
1sec
tame lodge
the helmet variations are cosmetic i assume?
Yup
They should be all Carapace
queen sky
ok good the numbers are nice and consistient
dreamy scaffold
the helmet variations are cosmetic i assume?
yus
doesnt change damage profile
or.. shouldnt
..does it..?
tame lodge
Unless you're playing the tentacly modifier
frank basin
light vs heavy special
Your hud is abnormal
queen sky
activated light:
light
dreamy scaffold
Your hud is abnormal
modders
queen sky
activated heavy:
heavy
charred finch
Your hud is abnormal
blame warframe brainrot
frank basin
modders<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
-# ik
dreamy scaffold
blame warframe brainrot
i will
frank basin
blame warframe brainrot
dreamy scaffold
i relate to the suffering
queen sky
so activated light cs does actually tick harder
but it's fewer ticks
activated heavy cs ticks lighter for more ticks
and the total activated heavy damage is about 1.5x activated light
frank basin
@charred finch
charred finch
ok so another thing to note
charging your heavy rev'd attack for longer does not increase damage
very cool
thank you fatshark
queen sky
i thought that was obvious from the weapon blessings that increase damage of heavy attacks the longer you charge them?
dreamy scaffold
you just charge up the initial whack, rev doesnt change
charred finch
given chainsword's performance half the time yea i think it should
dreamy scaffold
animations wise it should make no difference
dreamy scaffold
i thought that was obvious from the weapon blessings that increase damage of hea...
some would, but they are implying it should have a baseline increase
sonic kayak
blame warframe brainrot
As a Warframe player, that is cursed, I like it
queen sky
if you need to kill something that's more than 570 HP but less than 980 HP, the light activated will kill it a fraction faster than the heavy activated
now this is the REAL meta
sonic kayak
That's also why people say heavies on chainswords are not worth it
frank basin
As a Warframe player, that is cursed, I like it <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
This is average
2k is for average yes
sonic kayak
Oh no I know, I have friends with 10k+ hours
frank basin
That’s veteran
I saw 4chan warframe someone has 10 million platinum
Probably ridiculous trading riven
I bet there’s price flipping someone will use warframe market buy cheap prime set 70 plat and go Maroo bazaar sell high price like 200
sonic kayak
There are people who grew up playing Warframe, wild to think about
frank basin
I start Jan 31 2019
charred finch
I bet there’s price flipping someone will use warframe market buy cheap prime se...
Cross platform trading was awesome because you'd just go to the bazaar and scam console players because their trading market was super inflated and they just didn't know any better
frank basin
That’s my first time warframe
charred finch
There are people who grew up playing Warframe, wild to think about
Me
I've been playing since I was 15
I'm 26 this year
frank basin
Cross platform trading was awesome because you'd just go to the bazaar and scam ...
The one thing I can’t do is waiting
sonic kayak
Oh that's not so bad, I met someone who started playing when they were 10
Happy birthday
charred finch
not until november
sonic kayak
Early happy birthday if I forget
charred finch
Real
cunning haven
does shred blessing on devil's claw apply crit chance to ranged weapon? wanna buff the recon lasgun
quiet valley
It doesn’t
cunning haven
😔
i wish deadshot wouldnt consume stamina when your gun is mounted so i can have a machine gun with crit bonus
normal bay
Recon las is one of vets best guns. Plus it has pretty good crit chance already
quiet valley
i wish deadshot wouldnt consume stamina when your gun is mounted so i can have a...
You can Deadshot with the Recon XIV and Redirect Fire
You don’t need Deadshot for the other Mks
This is a high performing H40 recon XIV build
cunning haven
Recon las is one of vets best guns. Plus it has pretty good crit chance already
yeah, im considering trading headhunter for dum dum and crit chance for unyielding damage. i love shocktrooper but im wondering if i end up saving more ammo with this setup
tame lodge
Simply disregard the finesse scaling on recon and go MMF for that juicy 10% stamina on headshot kills
cunning haven
infernus seems pretty decent for hordes
quiet valley
Power = Increased dmg, stagger and CLEAVE
cunning haven
cleave 😮
quiet valley
VIc and the XIV have cleave
frank basin
VIc and the XIV have cleave
The heavy and medium rof one?
quiet valley
But honestly the Vlc is the ugly middle child of the 3 marks
quiet valley
The heavy and medium rof one?
Yes
sullen jackal
don't forget the heavy attack charge time is also not accelerated it seems by attack speed, so attack speed benefits lights more than heavies
cunning haven
hmm kinda struggling to choose between dumdum and headhunter. headhunter will perform better on weakspot hits which i do often against ogryns and bosses and helps infernus, but dum dum can help against horde. how do i calculate the average crit chance i get from headhunter?
is it like (5 + 10 + 15 + 20 + 25) / 6? im guessing headhunter performs worse the more crit chance you already have
quiet valley
Headhunter is a bad way to scale crit imo, as it gets worse the more crit you have. Infernus doesn’t need too much crit because the stacks cap quickly.
cunning haven
yeah, i just feel dumb cuz i intuitively know that but i dont know how to calculate it
quiet valley
I don’t know the numbers myself, if you ask path he should know
cunning haven
like how much crit chance is each weakspot hit giving me on average
quiet valley
I’ve tested both on H40 and DumDum/Infernus always feels better for me
cunning haven
is stripped down + back in the fight + duck and dive + deadshot viable?
i suppose id have a toughness problem there
i could throw in skirmisher too maybe
quiet valley
It’s a meme, but bricking your ranged weapon to not do dmg is a bad idea
It’s also a pretty heavy talent point investment
cunning haven
and how about reciprocity? i've got it on rn but as a ranged veteran i feel like it doesnt work too often. feels like it doesnt work against machine guns. maybe i save more ammo using a talent in demo team instead?
quiet valley
and how about reciprocity? i've got it on rn but as a ranged veteran i feel like...
it works on ranged attack dodges, but I find it to not be active that often when playing a mostly ranged build
Its very good for melee focus builds tho
cunning haven
well i asked chatGPT and after a bunch of calculations with Markov chain or whatever the average benefit per weakspot hit with a base 10% crit chance is 12%. which is less than the 12.5% number i had without considering base crit chance so i was kinda close i guess
damn apparently with my base of 17% (opening salvo + crit node + crit perk) the benefit drops down to 9.6%) which is a significant drop
cunning haven
haha, it is probably wrong cuz ai can be bad at math but this is too complicated for my brain
uncut pebble
It's most likely wrong because it will look at what fatshark advertises as math, but we know it isn't the actual math.
cunning haven
i mean, it "feels" right i guess but i dunno
it should be less than 12.5%
and reduce with each base crit you add
uncut pebble
i.e. weakspot damage perk advertising 10% overall damage bonus on weakspot hits, but in reality, it's 10% to the weakspot bonus itself. (100 base + 50 weakspot = 150, + weakspot perk, = 155)
cunning haven
yeah i cant believe how trash it is 😂
i wanted to add crit damage cuz of crit build but it has the same problem
cunning haven
yeah, you would think it would be overall weakspot/crit damage because that is actually competing with the other +25% damage to armor perks
rn the bonus is literally unoticable
i only take weakspot damage node if i dont take deadshot cuz i dont need suppression immunity and deadshot has it's own drawback. basically the decision is do you take deadshot or not i dont even consider the weakspot damage
unreal nova
Only time it's noticeable is on guns that just do way more on weakspot hits.
Assuming target doesn't already blow up before.
hollow ibex
i only take weakspot damage node if i dont take deadshot cuz i dont need suppres...
precision strikes isn't bad. it's the weakspot damage perk that sucks
cunning haven
well 30% is still very little but at least it is noticeable unlike 10%. perk should be at least 30% i'd say. you can get 5% crit chance which is 1 talent but 10% is 1/3 of a talent
hollow ibex
well 30% is still very little but at least it is noticeable unlike 10%. perk sho...
nah it's good
if you take PS for example, which gets roughly 50% bonus damage on weakspot hit
precision strikes gives ~15% bonus damage
which is excellent
obviously the bonus will vary between weapons, but it's pretty good overall
cunning haven
oh alright. i just see deadshot is much better but runs out too quickly. ive tried all the keystones, 3 stamina curios with stam regen but it just too diffcult for me to keep deadshot running constantly
hollow ibex
no it's the other way around
your default should be to take precision strikes
and deadshot only if you plan to center your entire build around it
and even then, you will likely still want precision strikes
cunning haven
wish there was a talent for utilising veteran's iconic aim over cover like for stam regen or crit chance
hollow ibex
and yeah deadshot can cause serious stam issues
hollow ibex
wish there was a talent for utilising veteran's iconic aim over cover like for s...
ngl i was several hundred hours in before i realized that existed
cunning haven
its pretty cool but only works above cover and not on sides unfortunately
but when it works i feel like a mg nest
actually i wonder if the recoil reduction while mounted can help with the infantry lasgun accuracy. i wanted to use full auto mod on that but the recoil was way too high
tame lodge
Bummed it doesn't work on the sides
I loved that on Far Cry
cunning haven
hollow ibex
mk2 moment
cunning haven
maybe this recoil would be usable while mounted?
headhunter is 20% crit which is crazy if u can land the headshots
ill have to test it when i have time
hollow ibex
just install the crosshair remap mod
and aim where the pointer is
ignore the sights
because the recoil is purely visual
cunning haven
oh, i didnt know that
hollow ibex
one of the many things the game doesn't explain
quiet valley
oh alright. i just see deadshot is much better but runs out too quickly. ive tri...
Try Target Down modifer to Focus Target
As long as you are marking you will outpace your stamina cost
cunning haven
As long as you are marking you will outpace your stamina cost
ill give it another look. do i need 8 stacks of focus?
quiet valley
No
Focus Target will never go below 1 stack
so every mark will give you 5% no matter what
queen sky
I second Focus Target
narrow frost
I vote for more weapon spec propaganda
queen sky
you don't need 8 stacks unless you're running a FT-focused build like me
i use Deadshot for my Zarona and when i'm chaining headshots i almost never run out of stamina
quiet valley
I vote for more weapon spec propaganda
Weapon Spec Deadshot only works well for high impact per shot weapons, Revolver, Shotguns
quiet valley
Its good for hybrid melee
queen sky
what exactly is the "Cleave" stat mentioned in the Wrath blessing? is it the ability to continue the swing through enemies? does it help at all with strikedown on a single target?
quiet valley
But its easier to mark targets for a full shooter build
dry cloak
but stridown attacks usually have abysmal cleave
dry cloak
narrow frost
Cleave
Cleave is the amount of mass that can be struck by an attack.
The number of enemies that can be hit from a cleave value is integer-based, not linear.
For an attack to cleave through an enemy, that attack must:
Have enough remaining cleave to exceed that enemy's mass.
If an attack's remaining cleave fails to beat a struck enemy's mass,
Then that attack's cleave ends at that specific enemy.
Carapace ends all cleave on contact, including infinite cleave.
Bulwark's shield is categorized as carapace.
This can only be bypassed with: Sunder, Perfect Strike, Pierce and Unstoppable Force.
Cleave Distribution
Cleave distribution refers to:
The falloff in damage and stagger based on the number of enemies already hit by the attack.
This falloff is non-linear and uses preset values from the specific individual attack.
This falloff is also not directly modifiable by any existing status or effect.
First target refers to the very first enemy hit by an attack.
The first target always receives the attack’s full damage and stagger.
Every cleave distributed target receives its own attack profile separate from the first target.
Each latter target usually receives less damage and stagger than the one before it.
Some blessings may alter some aspects related to cleave.
Brutal Momentum and Deathblow (maintain attack profile from previous target).
Vicious Slice (increase stagger value based on the number of enemies hit).
Various +%cleave blessings (increase how many enemies can be hit).
All melee attacks and Mk VI Combat Shotgun's special shot have cleave distribution.
All other ranged attacks maintain their first target attack profile to all enemies hit.
In rare cases, an attack may deal stagger but 0 damage after a certain target.
This is referred to as Cleave Damage Distribution Cap (CDDC) and it applies to:
wall of text jumpscare
quiet valley
queen sky
Cleave
Cleave is the amount of mass that can be struck by an attack.
The number ...
many thanks
deep sun
Cleave
Cleave is the amount of mass that can be struck by an attack.
The number ...
Im not reading all of that
narrow frost
then dont
void dragon
Ogryn attitude
narrow frost
Cleave: How many enemies you can damage and stagger in 1 swing
Cleave damage: How much you will damage enemies in each swing (besides the 1st enemy)
cunning haven
Try Target Down modifer to Focus Target
it is definitely much better than tunnel vision but for recon lasgun i still run down to 0 stamina.
get much more uptime than tunnel vision at least
quiet valley
it is definitely much better than tunnel vision but for recon lasgun i still run...
Only Viable on XIV Recon
cunning haven
makes sense tho
quiet valley
it shits out dmg
cunning haven
hmm, i think i prefer the torrent one but heavy recon i certainly more ammo efficient with its damage, deadshot and cleave. things to consider...
quiet valley
*heavy recon is the least ammo efficient one*
Not with deadshot its not
Its ammoless in H40
quiet valley
try it out, its very good
calm shard
I do like full auto guns with cleave
quiet valley
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef208ab-10b0-4906-ad1a-edbade89f9ad/h4...
heres the link from earlier if you want to try it out
cunning haven
i think the medium one is the worst. it has less reserve ammo for some reason, and has no cleave. the heavy one costs 2 ammo per shot but does much higher damage to make up for it
quiet valley
twinned smokes S tier
calm shard
heres the link from earlier if you want to try it out
this build doesn't even HAVE deadshot
cunning haven
i thought smokes were the worst option?
narrow frost
nope
narrow frost
nope
calm shard
kraks are competitors for worst blitz in the entire game imo
cunning haven
oh, tanner said it was bugged when i watched a vid about it a while ago
narrow frost
ohhh
quiet valley
calm shard
yes tanner says a lot of wrong shit
quiet valley
Fixed it
cunning haven
yeah i suppose he is 😂
cunning haven
but why would i want smokes over shredders? i haven't really tried smokes but i just think shredders give so utility
narrow frost
smokes are psyker bubbles with more buffs but no toughness regen
calm shard
but why would i want smokes over shredders? i haven't really tried smokes but i ...
In Havoc smokes completely disable the gun twins AI
also smokes are basically infinite health psyker bubbles
that you get 4 of
cunning haven
health?
quiet valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo
Does Vent purge have reduced spawns or only lights out? i forgor
quiet valley
Anyway smokes on vent purge is peak cinema
narrow frost
yes
cunning haven
who should i watch on yt for darktide veteran things?
quiet valley
I dont think theres a specific 'Vet' content creator
narrow frost
I cant think of one
quiet valley
But Ainz is pretty good
cunning haven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo
haven't seen the smokes yet but damn the db shotgun and power sword combo look awesome
quiet valley
You can ask here for general knowledge, and Path has all the numbers/data
cunning haven
i tried both weapons in psychanium and honestly it felt kinda trash but this looks really good
narrow frost
I can link build in comments
cunning haven
thanks
quiet valley
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eef9e6c-a634-498c-a420-3c6e67e30c25/ha...
You should put weapon or keystone in the title
calm shard
haven't seen the smokes yet but damn the db shotgun and power sword combo look a...
https://imgur.com/a/O1FT7vx they're neat
quiet valley
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eef9e6c-a634-498c-a420-3c6e67e30c25/ai...
amazing
calm shard
quiet valley
Ainz Keystone
cunning haven
that 3.3% ammo on Always Prepared works for 1 shotgun round i never wouldve thought 😂
narrow frost
it rounds up
since the Dbarrel only has 2 spots
its always 1 shot
with 1 melee kill
plus I get stam from it
so I can spam Push Attacks
cunning haven
makes sense, but kinda funny how it jumps from 3.3% to 50%. like this was never obvious to me
cunning haven
i also only learned about power cycler blessing today so i gotta give the power sword another go. ive been struggling to horde clear with shovel when the horde gets too dense.
maybe i need the impact blessings on shovel
narrow frost
impact is just stagger, it wont help with horde clear
you need a dps combo
like uncanny, decimeter
quiet valley
Skullcrusher Decimator
narrow frost
or this
quiet valley
Both are good, Uncanny if you need a pinch of armor killing on your melee
cunning haven
you need a dps combo
yeah, i use these. but when horde is dense my shovel just gets like blocked midway through a heavy swing
maybe thrust would help?
quiet valley
probably just need heavier melee talents or combos
MK1 and MK7 shovel kill trash horde with ease in non Havoc
calm shard
i also only learned about power cycler blessing today so i gotta give the power ...
yeah this is the reason that I run Helbore V with shovel
shovel could use the extra cleave imo
cunning haven
how i feel with shovel in a door way
quiet valley
Helbore user
cunning haven
i loved helbore so much but the bayonet is so slow now
calm shard
yeah Helbore IV is probably my favorite ranged weapon in the game
why yes I would like better than plasma gun damage into every enemy with infinite ammo
and comparable boss damage to the bolter
cunning haven
i would go through the whole game and only pickup ammo once or twice cuz teamates were full
cunning haven
https://imgur.com/a/O1FT7vx they're neat
this works on the melee captain as well? that's actually really awesome
they always show up on havoc
calm shard
this works on the melee captain as well? that's actually really awesome
nah melee captains are unaffcted (as all melee enemies are)
but it completely turns off gun twin since they only have ranged attacks
it does the same to regular captains that have their gun out until someone gets close enough for them to switch to melee
cunning haven
ah alright, but that is still very helpful. gun twin will shoot me sometimes when i dont see through the horde
calm shard
well more importantly they also can't throw mines into smoke
cunning haven
oh wow
i thought the twins are only in the special assignment mission and the rest were just captains
cunning haven
i know for the twins they have caparace helmets so it is better to shoot body. i wonder if same thing for Lieutenants
calm shard
it's better to not shoot them at all frankly
cunning haven
yeah, i was just about to ask. their shields come back so quick when i shoot them
calm shard
for regular captains their shield comes back at certain health thresholds
for the twins it's on a timer
but the main thing is that captains and twins both have resistance to all ranged damage
even beyond their armor
especially their shields
cunning haven
helbore bayonet was the best anti shield weapon ever. u jab it a few times and shield goes pop so quick like it isn't even there.
i'd imagine it's still good but no where near what it used to be
i dont understand why Fatshark took away the bayonet speed. it wasn't even meta, just really fun
you guys think maybe we get new weapons for skulls? like plasma pistol maybe
hollow ibex
Who knows, best not to expect anything
quiet valley
i dont understand why Fatshark took away the bayonet speed. it wasn't even meta,...
Helbore Meta was too strong, the buffed the Plasma instead
Jk, no one ever uses the Helbore lmao
cunning haven
was literally the only gun i used 😂
but when i like something i dont tend to change unless i am pressured
quiet valley
Yeah Helbore slaps, but some people cant aim
cunning haven
plz Fatshark make helbore shots charge while using bayonet
hollow ibex
Yeah Helbore slaps, but some people cant aim
The irons don’t help
cunning haven
how do you guys feel about the knife on veteran or the devil's claw?
quiet valley
Some more Helbore Propaganda
Use the IV, it has the best irons
hollow ibex
Dclaws pretty bad, knife is good on the right builds or if you just need to move fast
quiet valley
how do you guys feel about the knife on veteran or the devil's claw?
Dclaw is fine as a semi-mobile horde clear option in Auric and below
Shovel/Heavy Sword kind of fill the same role
But Dclaw has the sick Parry mechanic
cunning haven
my main struggle is survivability if i am surrounded and alone
quiet valley
Shovel/Dclaw are safer than the heavy sword
hollow ibex
Knife is good for that