veteran-class

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/skibi-di-gif-3127588730399978483

[hollow ibex]

Cope

[crimson pebble]

the only melee period that any sort of buff on any classes need is shock maul devil claw mk1 and achlys combat axe

[hollow ibex]

A lot of the human melee weapons need help right now because of the absolute state of ogryn

[crimson pebble]

im of the opinion ogryn instead should just be dialed back

[cunning haven]

i love fighting with ogryn. it is funny watching them bulldose throught everything

[hollow ibex]

Not going to happen prob

[cunning haven]

no plz dont nerf it is fun 😔

[faint beacon]

Is this for havoc or Auric

[crimson pebble]

dont need those

[cunning haven]

15% damage is good tho isnt it?

[woeful plover]

Thanks ! indeed it's carapace and unarmored or elite

[cunning haven]

i kinda wish the marksman or focus target had crit bonus cuz i'd push for those. weapon specialist looks more like an officer with pistol kinda build or heavy weapons

[faint beacon]

If it’s recon it’s not needed

DPS output is high enough

[cunning haven]

i play auric maelstrom and havoc 15

[lusty ether]

this is my las, this is my gun

this is for fun, this is also for fun

[cunning haven]

i also take deadshot sometimes. it just depends on the map and team cuz i often find myself wishing i had it or wishing i didnt have it. i wish the bonus crit still applied when you run out of stamina.

[faint beacon]

Also path down Catch a Breath instead

Free passive toughness regen

[crimson pebble]

deadshots good but can easily get you killed if youre not aware of your surroundings

[cunning haven]

what would you use the 2 point for instead?

[crimson pebble]

20% nades to replenish nades on elite thing and field improv

[cunning haven]

and should i swap flak with maniac?

[crimson pebble]

you want to be hucking shredders like no ones business when you see more then 20 ppl always keep one in reserve tho imo

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

Vet is focused around weapon swapping and reward via precision

Id highly recommend the Rashad combat axe with the revolver

Or knife dbarrel

Think of vet as playing doom eternal or ultrakill

[crimson pebble]

dont listen to that man hes an agent of the antichrist

[faint beacon]

He’s Italian

Do not trust this man

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350122574952140822/1356089073135124532/20240405_090211_doc_2024-03-29_05-29-41.gif

[faint beacon]

Locked up for being Italian

[tropic notch]

Yesss use knife

Knife dbarrel

Wif shredders

[glad temple]

Should I buy a power sword?

[tropic notch]

So you can make the mixed horde go sleepy

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[glad temple]

I just got a bolter

[tropic notch]

Vets best havoc weapon

[faint beacon]

It’s veterans best melee you may as well

[tropic notch]

Plasma and power sword is a good combo but beware it’s hard to clutch with it

[cunning haven]

any recommendation for 2nd perk?

[tacit rock]

is it normal to run a build without a keystone?

[tropic notch]

I’d advise against it

But you can

[tacit rock]

is terrifying barrage good?

[tropic notch]

What weapon?

[tacit rock]

autogun

[tropic notch]

Braced? Or infantry?

[golden egret]

Anyone know when the Elysian skins are gonna rotate back into the bloody shop. I was told that they might show up back a while ago when the skulls event happens. So I'm waiting little to see if true.

In meantime has anyone cracked the code to when skins actually return?

I like the look of that regiment ,and already got the skin for Veteran. I was thinking about getting the skin for some of the other classes I play for at least half a year now.

[crimson pebble]

itll either be then the 22nd or completely random

[golden egret]

Thanks mate.

I wish was announcements or something to figure out what date skins show up back again. Besides just popping in game every week.

[elder vessel]

Spear and Double Barrel

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-orange-orange-annoyed-no-nooo-gif-25012293

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yeah-annoying-orange-gif-12931100

christ why does he have 2 rows of teeth

I regret posting this gif im sorry

[boreal void]

Two sets of teeth. Definitely a chaos abomination wearing the orange as a mask

[tame lodge]

No

Like 80% of the enemies are immune to suppression

[orchid hemlock]

Nurgle's strongest worshipper

[glad temple]

Is bolter and chainaxe a good combo?

I assume not?

[hollow ibex]

You assume correct

Bolter is very strong but chaxe is dogshit

Chaxe also has no horde clear, which bolter needs

[glad temple]

Shame
Looks brutal

[hollow ibex]

Taxe hsword or psword are meta options for melee with bolter

[hollow ibex]

Yah

[glad temple]

I got the power sword but it also seems weak against hordes since I need to charge it

[hollow ibex]

It’s actually got incredible horde clear, but you need to play carefully

[glad temple]

Ye it kills efficiently if I hit heads

But remembering to charge it is a bit of a headache

Bolter slaps tho

I'm using it mostly for sniping guys I can't reach
Snipers should consider unemployment or life insurance honestly

[hollow ibex]

Yeah gotta get used to it

[glad temple]

I'll think of buying the other weapons you mentioned

For now I was saving up for a helmet tho

[glad temple]

Is the chainaxe generally dogshit or is it good in some things?

[hollow ibex]

Generally bad, desperately needs buffs

[glad temple]

Ah
K
Thx
How does bolter compare to plasma btw?
Also veteran has power maul I see
That any good?

[hollow ibex]

Power maul is mid, not great not horrible

Plasma is also very strong, boring to play though

[glad temple]

Heh
I guess you have to save it alot
We'll see maybe I'll grab a helbore again

Love that bayonet

One more round and I'll be going to sleep

Thanks an bye!

[hollow ibex]

I have some bad news for you…

Well it’s fine still

[deep sun]

but not good enough

[glad temple]

Well I know it's practically useless

[glad temple]

Note i only play on uprising until I buy a new cpu

[deep sun]

a chain-bayonet would make it perfect

[gilded wraith]

Would hotshot cleave do anything useful for tactical axe?

[hollow ibex]

Yah it’d help

[deep sun]

what?

[tame lodge]

Not quite because 3 Cap lol

[hollow ibex]

Was that on heavies too?

[deep sun]

well dont forget there is the hellpistol

[tame lodge]

The cap is on heavies yeah

[gilded wraith]

Drat

[tame lodge]

At the same time

[hollow ibex]

Oh lol

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[hollow ibex]

Nvm then

[tame lodge]

You only have 1.5 to 3 cleave

It's definitely going to help on the cleave part
But can't really use it that well

[gilded wraith]

Such a neat weapon, but I struggle to make it work outside of zealot.

[hollow ibex]

Cleave caps need to just not be a thing on melee weapons

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, hate it on chain axe.

[tame lodge]

I also have no idea why a 1.5 to 3 cleave weapon has a cap

[gilded wraith]

Enjoy your devastating horizontal heavies! And their cleave cap.

[tame lodge]

Like it isn't hitting a 4th target most of the time already

😭

[hollow ibex]

Fatshart hates taxes

Wait

That’s based

[glad temple]

Oh btw do you guys use bolt pistol?

[unreal nova]

Yes? Is best gun for shredder frags build.

Lethal prox memes.

[alpine flame]

Anyone know what the best few guns to use on veteran would be? Idk which ones to use really

[unreal nova]

Plasma, Bistol, Bolter, Recon.

Inf auto as well, I think?

[sharp epoch]

double barrel is nice

and laspistol too

[glad temple]

Wait
Why?

[sharp epoch]

a blessing called lethal proximity increases explosion radius by 25% which also applies to frags

[glad temple]

That blessing is on the bolt pistol?

[sharp epoch]

yea

[glad temple]

Also
Do you guys use shredder frag or krak grenade?

[sharp epoch]

kraks is kinda bad outside bosses

[hollow ibex]

Shredder is much better

[hollow ibex]

Krak sucks against bosses

[glad temple]

I've been using kraks with demolition stockpile and it's bad cause I never use these

[hollow ibex]

You need three +tinkerer+red stimm to make it feel good

Otherwise super underwhelming imo

[sharp epoch]

It's good in that it's a guaranteed heavy stagger on them which leads to a couple combos but the damage is bad

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox makes frags boom beeg(er).

Clears a larger area.

Also tags bleed and stagger on more stuff.

[sharp epoch]

Bolt pistol itself is pretty meh in havoc though it just barely misses breakpoints (one shots) so everything is a two shot pretty much

[unreal nova]

Alao works with krak, but pointless.

[hollow ibex]

Not worth 😭

[glad temple]

K I swapped krak for frag

Meh more boom more fun I guess

I leave grenades for teammates when I use demolition stockpile

Do you use infiltrate?
I only use voice of command

[unreal nova]

To be fair, is already a 2 slot on my build. Path reeeeeeeeeeee about it before.

[sharp epoch]

it dont give teammates grenades anymore 😂

[unreal nova]

He means he leaves 'nade pickups for them.

[glad temple]

Nah nah
I meant when I find any on the map I let them take it cause mine regenerate anyway

[sharp epoch]

o ya

[unreal nova]

Unless they too dumb so just refill anyway.

[sharp epoch]

two shot on a precision weapon with that little ammo is so bad

[hollow ibex]

Infil is mostly a meme but yeah I use it lol

[sharp epoch]

like just run* regular bolter atp

[glad temple]

Is it useful or fun?
I only used it to get the uniform

[sharp epoch]

me when I see infil vet in havoc

[unreal nova]

Is fine if team is competent enough. If I gotta shoot every special and elite, we already lost.

[sharp epoch]

dude I gotta shoot every special and elite

[glad temple]

I prefer full size bolter for that

[unreal nova]

Unless I 'nade bs my way.

[sharp epoch]

It makes the runs so much smoother when every special and elite gets deleted as fast as possible too

[glad temple]

I love seeing the meat fly around like I just fired a cannon

[unreal nova]

I use controller. Putting me on sniper duty was already a bad idea.

[hollow ibex]

Strictly weaker than VOC but fun imo

[glad temple]

Hey guys maybe you know how to get the vet penance munitorum cap?

[sharp epoch]

I've had really good console players didnt even go down on havoc 30, but it was zealot/ogryn

[unreal nova]

I can at least bs my way unless 4 ragers.

From around the corner.

No room to drop 'nades.

[sharp epoch]

best thing is to do is 1. shout 2. spam dodge backwards and shoot 3. fight them with melee

[unreal nova]

No shout, cos already used lmao.

[sharp epoch]

grenades I only do when you got breathing room cause they take so long to come out

like quick throw should be a thig

[unreal nova]

Trying to keep ppl alive be like that.

[pseudo fiber]

I believe you have to do some other penances. It'll be listed under the penance itself

[unreal nova]

One is very annoying from memory.

[glad temple]

Idk couldn't find it so far
It says it requires 2 penances

[unreal nova]

What are those two?

[glad temple]

If not that's ok I'm planning to buy the kantrael helmet with the gaiter anyway

[unreal nova]

Check in penances.

[glad temple]

That's what I'm trying to find out
It doesn't say it in item description for some reason

[glad temple]

Nah not right now
Turned the game off
I'll be going to sleep

I'll play more tomorrow
Can't wait to use those shredder frags

[unreal nova]

Ah. Is probs the massive list of penances that need done for On Target 1 and 2.

[alpine flame]

ohh ok, so between the bolt pistol and bolter which would you choose?

[sonic kayak]

Portable bunker buster(Plasma), pocket cannon(Bolt Pistol), portable cannon(Boltgun), or laser MG42(Recon). What would you choose?

[alpine flame]

pocket cannon🔥

[unreal nova]

You guessed which I went for then.

Mostly cos synergy with frags.

[alpine flame]

ok i’ll look into that build sounds nice

[sonic kayak]

Good choice. They all are, actually. It may take some time to get used to all of them, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Nothing wrong with trying them all out and getting acclimated to all of them. Enjoy and kill in His name

[alpine flame]

alright thanks yall

[unreal nova]

Take Lethal Prox as a blessing.

[alpine flame]

ok will do

[fading yarrow]

Just had my first DC in months

In fact I've been seeing quite a few more DCs than usual

Are the servers spaghettifying again

[sharp epoch]

yes

[fading yarrow]

Unfortunate

Hopefully they melt back together when the Skulls update drops

Also
Been spamming Aurics and finally saved up enough to buy every Vet cosmetic in the Commissary

It'd be very cool if it receives more stuff this update

[warped ruin]

Remember the saw is the law

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent is there anything about the PS3 lights that are worse than PS6 lights besides the attack angle?

[tall torrent]

no

well

it doesn't have a light overhead with extra single target dmg

[hollow ibex]

hmm ic thanks

[queen sky]

is there a best recon lasgun overall?

[narrow frost]

fastest for funny burn damage on bosses, slowest for better ammo eco

[queen sky]

ty!

[faint beacon]

Personal Preference really

they're all good

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent does that one hellbore blessing still effect melee?

its like 80% hitmass reduction at 1 or something

[dry cloak]

yes it does

[tropic notch]

what melee even benefits most from it?

[dry cloak]

every one

think of it like brutal momentum

but without additional damage

[tropic notch]

evil

hope this stays

[dry cloak]

its a bug

dont count on it

[tropic notch]

time for havoc shovel

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[crimson garden]

What’re your favourite builds for veteran? Preferably ones with low skill floors lmao

[dry cloak]

so any build using voc

[charred finch]

just use voc+plasgun+duelling sword if you want braindead

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma woop woop

Hm

Question

If you double barrel fire the Double Barrel in mortis and you get refunded the ammo

Do I get the whole 2 shots back or do I still get 1

[atomic gull]

For long bomb, does it mean to not let it bounce off the floor/walls or off the heretics

[dry cloak]

needs to explode in the air

[atomic gull]

oh

[finite hawk]

ok so I've just noticed, when I play my VoC veteran, other Vets using Stance make me progress some of my penances without me having to do anything lol

like

never even been using Stance in Heresy+ so how could they have progressed otherwise

[tame lodge]

Full CRIT Ilas

I love not caring about picking ammo

[glad temple]

When should I throw my frag?

Also how to do the frag penance?
It says "kill 4 enemies with a frag grenade without bouncing it"
What does it mean by "not bouncing it"

[quiet valley]

explode in midair

[glad temple]

Can you do that?

[quiet valley]

time with the fuse when you throw

[glad temple]

Ok so they are on a timer?
When does it start counting? When I aim?

[thin minnow]

When you take the pin out

[glad temple]

So when I pull it out?
I mean the grenade

[quiet valley]

its a fuse timer once it leaves your hand

just aim up my dude

[dry cloak]

zaplanik masz zawsze taki sam. jak chcesz to zrobić to rzuczasz granat pionowo

najlepiej jeszcze na jak najdalej położonych bobiczków

[glad temple]

Ok

Thx

[loud belfry]

cyka blyat 2

[south thistle]

Chat

What’s the best blessings for combat blade

😭

[tame lodge]

Uncanny + Riposte or Precognition

[south thistle]

And perks?😭

[tame lodge]

Carapace + Elites/Flak

[glad temple]

Just unlocked the plasma

[orchid hemlock]

Chat is this real?🤔

[tame void]

Is the power sword activation just for the next attack, or does it last more similar to zealot new sword

[tame lodge]

Next attack

With the power Power Cycler blessing
Next 3 attacks

Which means
Power Cycler mandatory

Or suffer

[manic badger]

is the mark 14 recon las actually good?

[orchid hemlock]

All recons are based

[quiet valley]

Except the MKII

its ass

Horde clear gun

[orchid hemlock]

ur ass

🍑

[quiet valley]

ope

MK VIc*

[unreal nova]

Wot. Is the most ammo efficient of the 3.

[quiet valley]

VIc has terrible dmg and the XIV has better ammo eco and dmg with deadshot scaling

[frank basin]

You means the dakka recon?

[woeful plover]

What situations should I mostly use my nades for ? (Shred)

[frank basin]

Being stuck in crowded public transport

[unreal nova]

No. Is between green and brown.

[unreal nova]

Room full of enemies.

[quiet valley]

Clumps of elites, and for generating stagger for res/obj

[unreal nova]

12 bulwarks.

[frank basin]

Yeah it’s stuck in crowded public transport

[quiet valley]

The main draw of the VIc is the increased shot cleave, but who cares

[frank basin]

Ah you means the inbetween recon

I got guy said he like mkvic because he prove is good

That old time

[quiet valley]

what?

[unreal nova]

They all have uses. 12 is most ammo inefficient to ppl. You will delete your pool quickly.

[frank basin]

There was a guy trying prove recon mk2 is good

Back 2023

[quiet valley]

MKII recon is the meta one

[frank basin]

Wait what karien said between brown and green?

[unreal nova]

But it deletes bosses as a trade off.

Ammo efficiency in aurics.

[frank basin]

It is the high rof recon one?

[unreal nova]

I say green is most efficient generally.

[frank basin]

I don’t know the color can’t tell

[quiet valley]

You dont need ammo efficency in aurics

[frank basin]

Aurics has plenty ammo

Is not maelstrom

[quiet valley]

You get showered in ammo in reg auric

XIV is the most ammo efficient mark for Havoc

[unreal nova]

It can be, aurics in general counts all aurics.

[frank basin]

[unreal nova]

But if you take a gun only build into scabs only...

That's...

[frank basin]

I still don’t get what between brown and green recon? I only understand the mark

[unreal nova]

The not 12.

[frank basin]

I don’t get it

Wdym not 12?

Not mk12? The high rate of fire recon?

I means if that what you means I still use it

[quiet valley]

the VIc could never

[unreal nova]

We are not talking about the 12/blue one.

[frank basin]

Huh?

Oh you means the medium rate of fire and slow rate of fire recon?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[quiet valley]

Ok, XII is fastest, VIc is fast with cleave, XIV is slowest with highest dmg per shot

[frank basin]

Yeah I didn’t us medium one

I like 14 like slow and heavy hitting

Just like my full auto lasgun

[unreal nova]

VLC isn't the cleave one, that's brown from memory.

But it uses 2 ammo per shot.

[quiet valley]

both have cleave

[frank basin]

If recon has hotshot blessing

It would band aid it

[quiet valley]

Recon does not need any buffs

[frank basin]

Just a little oomph

[supple stag]

no

[quiet valley]

yeah no

[frank basin]

A little oomph

[supple stag]

no

[frank basin]

Still yes

[unreal nova]

Recon doesn't need to be touched.

[quiet valley]

Combat shotguns, Helbore, Autopistol all need actual buffs

[unreal nova]

Go buff SMaul instead.

[frank basin]

What helbore need? Remove disable animation draw?

Autopistol is already has the buff and yet you still want complain how shitty is?

[quiet valley]

its still pretty shitty

[frank basin]

After they nerf pinning fire

[unreal nova]

It's just nolonger F grade.

Okay now.

[quiet valley]

Autopistol exsists for inspiring barrage on Zealot/Pskyer

[frank basin]

Don’t feel using Exe S?

[quiet valley]

for which gun?

[frank basin]

Autopistol

[quiet valley]

oh lol

yeah if you need exec stance to kill shit...

[frank basin]

See

That at least shrine for it

It has need same like psyker

[dry cloak]

funny build to goof off and delete bosses

very ammo hungry

[frank basin]

Same as psyker

[quiet valley]

I mean fanning revolver/bolter does it better

[frank basin]

Unless psykie use assail

[quiet valley]

while also being decent weapons lol

[unreal nova]

I mean, it used to use the entire clip and more to kill something.

40 shots~

[dry cloak]

cowboy revolver yes. im not conviced about the bolter though

[frank basin]

Bolter need stready aim on head need them not moving around

And mostly you bodyshot it

[frank basin]

Nurgle didn’t need too

[unreal nova]

This is skill issue though. I have seen ppl use it well... and ppl who have to mag dump to kill.

[dry cloak]

ok

[frank basin]

Yeah yeah bitches of skill issue bullshit

[dry cloak]

playing bolter good is knowing when to magdump and when to aim

[quiet valley]

You magdump monsters when you need to drop pressure quick

[frank basin]

Is not easy for chaos spawn

[quiet valley]

you can stagger bosses with shout and get your entire mag into their head before they recover

[frank basin]

Plague Ogryn keep aggro on other facing other side away from you

[quiet valley]

Pogryn easiest boss to headshot

[frank basin]

That sacrifice the exe s dmg

[frank basin]

easiest if they facing at you

[dry cloak]

shout 🤮

[frank basin]

To maximum damage output have to build correctly

So no freedom talent build

[dry cloak]

yes

[quiet valley]

I mean the bolter shits out dmg

[frank basin]

Most time if I remember it was like 2.8/4 hp taken something after headshotting mag dumping bolter

[quiet valley]

All you need is Markman and Bring it Down

[frank basin]

Path said bring it down isn’t good something?

[quiet valley]

other stuff helps ofc, but those are the big dmg scalers

[unreal nova]

This is literally all serious vet builds. Minmax or suffer.

[frank basin]

The metaslaving

[unreal nova]

No choice. You must or you miss breakpoints.

[frank basin]

Actual metaslaving

[quiet valley]

I mean it depends how well you play the class as well

[frank basin]

Like some conspiracist call someone a hive mind sheep

[quiet valley]

Like you can be a Plasma shout slave to clear Malice or play Exec Helbore in H40

Same with most other classes

[frank basin]

Yeah, someone good melee staying alive they can deal the boss relative easier

I do thing like balancing the loadout

[unreal nova]

You say that without knowing anything.

[frank basin]

Either gun or melee is single target or crowd control

[unreal nova]

I run my own thing. Even Path glared at my builds because I went too meme into 'nades.

[quiet valley]

I mean nades aren't really a meme, they are one of the strongest scaling builds in H40 cuz demo team is nuts

[frank basin]

Nade build isn’t a meme now just becoming the meta bullshit

My main use loadout fall into that category

4 nade and regen

[unreal nova]

It used to be memes.

[frank basin]

Yes was a meme

Turn out how good it is use for elite crowd

[unreal nova]

I went full on into it because funni.

[frank basin]

Someone can’t deal elite horde I throw bunch of nade instead

[unreal nova]

Also room wide stagger.

The real memes is twinned SMOKE.

[frank basin]

I love smoke

Twin Kark isn’t so meme then

[unreal nova]

Twinned smoke.

That is luck based.

If you get lucky and they home to different targets.

You can kill multiple stuff.

Twinning hurts on bosses if you aren't aiming with it in mind though.

But if you do, funni.

Assuming the oggy didn't already delete the boss in that 5 secs it takes to prime and explode.

[manic badger]

I use kraks in havoc and idgaf, shredders don't do shit when its a 20 elite deep mixed horde all healing each other with increased defenses. but you can't heal a one shot

shredders are great for staggering bosses and clearing out space for a revive etc, and against not that modifer

[woeful plover]

Would work for basic 4's (maybe starting 5's) or there's way better nodes to take for that kind of content ? (Not sure about Kill Zone and Surv + shock trooper)

Recon MKII / Rashad

[uncut pebble]

THE WORM

[uncut pebble]

Healers can't heal other healers, shredders will still pick them out and kill them as long as they aren't a crusher just fine. Even then, you are likely running either a shovel or a duelling sword, so you have access to uncanny strike, so even if the healer is a crusher, he still dies.

Also there's like, 9 tools in the game to control that crowd and pick out the healer outside of shredders.

[manic badger]

90% of my games I run shredders, because this game is balanced like dog shit so you are pidgeon holed into using them.

I never said they were bad, but kraks are better into mauler/crusher seeds with that modifier

[uncut pebble]

We can agree to disagree then.

[manic badger]

on what exactly

[uncut pebble]

Shredders are just the best grenade.

[manic badger]

I literally just said that

[uncut pebble]

"Kraks are better into mauler/crusher seeds with that modifier."

They aren't.

[manic badger]

Kraks are better at killing bosses

get fucked

I'm right

[uncut pebble]

Again, no.

[manic badger]

okay throw 4 kraks

[uncut pebble]

They deal less damage but have the same stagger + bleed.

[manic badger]

3* and 3 shredders

whcih deals more to a boss

[uncut pebble]

Meaning I can stack max bleed by myself and get max uncanny stacks very safely.

[unreal nova]

Just have an Oggy. What boss?

[uncut pebble]

If you want to look at the grenades by themselves, then kraks are better on paper, but shredders are still better in practice.

Sorry that's how the game is made, bud.

[manic badger]

Which is exactly what I said this game is balanced like dog shit

[uncut pebble]

Then we are in agreement that shredders are better.

[manic badger]

supplemented by an entire blessing from a weapon sure

[unreal nova]

Answer is, Oggy. Vets need a massive buff to everything that isn't the meta picks.

[uncut pebble]

Vet needs good melees that don't rely on weapon spec for functionality.

Looking directly at rashad with that statement.

[unreal nova]

Heh. Aspd.

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, buffing vet is tricky, because there's a huge crowd that is woefully misinformed that vet is the "ranged class."

In reality, vet is a priority target hunter.

[unreal nova]

Long shot needs a massive buff though.

[uncut pebble]

Almost all of vets talents are breakpoint oriented to make sure they can delete a specific elite/specialist.

[unreal nova]

But you lack the points for them.

[uncut pebble]

Not really.

At least, not with the meta pathing.

[unreal nova]

If you wanna spec into 'nades.

[uncut pebble]

i.e. shredders, surv, voc, weapon spec.

You can comfortably afford everything with that pathing.

[unreal nova]

You have literally 1 point to use.

And that's only because I have Field Improv.

[uncut pebble]

Keep in mind that I'm speaking from zealout's lack of a tree.

Anything that you don't have to make concessions for is "comfortable" to me.

[unreal nova]

You kinda do unless you want to stick to a 2 hit breakpoint on Bistol.

[uncut pebble]

Not saying it's great that vet's tree is rigid, just saying that the direction of the tree as a whole is to pick out and eliminate priority targets.

[serene bough]

Only reasons to use kraks are bulwarks and boss dps, and every so often on a distant reaper you just want deleted with no effort

[unreal nova]

More exe stance. I can't see dook well enough to snipe more blended in stuff.

[unreal nova]

Just shoot 4x in head.

[uncut pebble]

Who ever said you had to do it from range?

[manic badger]

guys relax I get it, don't suggest using off meta stuff, or suggest that off meta stuff might have a niche use just use meta. Sorry sorry sorry

[uncut pebble]

I'm in the thick of the mess with a shovel and violence on my mind.

[serene bough]

Tossing at reapers is usually when you can't shoot them but just need them gone

[serene bough]

?

[tame void]

[serene bough]

Im just talking about kraks

[unreal nova]

Heh, I mean, I bring a knoife for that. Same thing unless multiple crushers.

[serene bough]

Ive actually come to appreciate kraks more than shredders for havoc recently

At least assumming your zealot/psyker brought a flame staff, the niche of krak is pretty important in havoc

Hopefully next patch they'll get a buff too

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-soldier-soldier-meet-the-team-gif-5973890219255947351

[unreal nova]

When Rawkit Lawnchair for Vet?

[tame void]

surely next weapon

[faint beacon]

Do not trust a word this man says, he still hasn’t beaten Avatar of Emptiness

[uncut pebble]

Do not trust a word this shark says, he smells like a foot.

[runic mirage]

Will we ever get a two handed melee weapon?

[uncut pebble]

There's apparently a datamined 2h axe in the files.

[agile forge]

Helbore lmao

[faint beacon]

My friends had to actively nerf my healing output cause I was tanking difficult bosses LMAO

[finite hawk]

sigh... good enough?

[unreal nova]

Can be, needs a test.

68% max thermal depends on decimals.

You max the thermal stats and go to sedation diff mission and count number of shots in row.

If you get 8, is gucci.

I have one like that I never use.

[pseudo fiber]

I think I used mine in havoc once

Got my 20th week

Then stopped

[unreal nova]

I just Bistol since I don't bring my vet into Havocs higher than 25.

[quiet valley]

Your poor vet 💀

Missing all the fun

[novel stone]

What do y'all think are the best guns for vet rn?

Im too addicted to the boltgun

[quiet valley]

Plasma, Bolter, Laspistol, Recon, Boltpistol

Others are fine but require more effort

[novel stone]

Laspis over revolver?

Was it nerfed since I last used it?

[quiet valley]

Revolver is good for Non-Havoc

[novel stone]

Fair

[quiet valley]

It has bad ammo eco

[novel stone]

Yup forgor

Also I need an honest non biased opinion

What's wrong with the PS

[quiet valley]

Dodge distance and mobility

It does amazing damage, but you can't kite waves if things are going wrong

[novel stone]

I've been able too, I haven't made it to high havoc yet but I've never had a major problem with it

And any other weapon feels underpowered in terms of hoard stuff

[finite hawk]

alright, seems gucci then

[novel stone]

Rashad is nice but I don't like it's feel

[quiet valley]

You usually dont need to horde clear on Havoc, Pskyer/Ogryn do the heavy lifting

Your job is to remove specials/elites, and be an ammo generator

[novel stone]

Word, usually what I do

I used to think I was bad but people will tell me what to do and what to use and I'll be like "oh so I was fine"

I just can't bring myself to use something over the power sword I'm addicted

[quiet valley]

I mean PS is very good

[novel stone]

It ain't done me wrong yet

[quiet valley]

Its just doesnt appeal to high mobility players

[novel stone]

Yup I feel that

[quiet valley]

You are taking the a low mobility weapon on the lowest mobility class

But it does shit out dmg

[novel stone]

That's why I never bothered

Vet is slow so Im slow

Knife is fun but I'm not good with it or confident enough to bring it to auric or havoc

[unreal nova]

The reason for random sedation mission is due to how the psykhanium rounds differently than live servers.

[novel stone]

@quiet valley thx, you give good input

[unreal nova]

I wanna go fast fast so WS knoife heh.

[deep sun]

Im more intrested in the new weapons the next update will give

[novel stone]

I'm gonna give it another try in Mortis rn

I've held onto one for ages

[spark cipher]

How snipers look at me when I phase through their bullet (I was running stripped down)

[unreal nova]

I mean mortis or normal damns are just suited for playing around.

[faint beacon]

Threw myself into H40 with Ainz last night and yeah getting hit with the nuke that is not having enough mobility made me realize I’m probably gonna run Bolter HS instead lmao

[novel stone]

Yup

[unreal nova]

See crazed melee vet running into then.

[novel stone]

Tis why I'm doing JSUT that

[elder vessel]

Take infiltrate with power sword

[phone] move speed on demand

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure the slow build only works in a tight 4 man where everyone knows each other playstyle.

[faint beacon]

I wasn’t completely useless tbh

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I can’t stand vet without both 5 percent speed nodes lol

[faint beacon]

I just kept getting fucked over cause “Oops no dodges or stamina”

Or cornered by the wall of carapace

[unreal nova]

Why ppl you trust to watch over your back much.

[novel stone]

Trve ...

[faint beacon]

I mean I lasted longer than the 2 other players

[quiet valley]

Yes ill run the worst vet active in H40

[faint beacon]

Also hadn’t played Havoc since season 1 LMAO

That was literally my first H40 of Season 2

[quiet valley]

Best way to combat Vet's shit stam is Focus Target, Target Down

[unreal nova]

This sounds like trolling in H40.

[faint beacon]

Was doing that just more so situations of out of dodges more

[unreal nova]

Is an absolute dookshow.

[faint beacon]

Hence im thinking I should just run HS

[quiet valley]

I run 9 stam so I just block for a bit while refilling stam to reset dodges

[spark cipher]

Care to join me to double that number

[faint beacon]

That probably could be it also like

I realized after stacking toughness

It’s less with VOC that I have a toughness issue

And more a Stam issue

[quiet valley]

The thing too is that toughness gets scaled down in H40, stam doesnt

[spark cipher]

by how much?

is it flat or just a "fuck you -50% lmao"

[quiet valley]

At lot, idk exact numbers but my vet gets like 98 hp on H40, toughness is around 120?

[lofty rivet]

Is the boltgun good even if it has low collateral? I got a Redeemed Spearhead Boltgun with 545 damage current stats are the following:

Damage: 80/80%
Reload Speed: 74/80%
Collateral: 18/60%
Mobility: 69/80%
Stability: 67/80%

[quiet valley]

I always dump mobility tbh

[faint beacon]

anyways I’m just thinking cause I tend to prefer being a lot more mobile

[spark cipher]

Also does toughness curios add toughness before or after the +toughness nodes?

[faint beacon]

I’ll just run Bolter HS

[quiet valley]

I usually run Pinning Fire/Surgical

[faint beacon]

See how that fairs on H40

Well that and I didn’t really feel too bad cause of the double whammy of Veteran isn’t really the best in Havoc, and that was my first ever S2 Havoc 40

[quiet valley]

Yeah it doesnt help that Vet is the weakest class now

just in general

[thin minnow]

Mobility and collateral are good dumps for bolt pistol, I assume it is the same for boltgun

[thin minnow]

Well it IS pretty much just "guy with a gun" class

[unreal nova]

Goes from 100 toughness to 55 and 314 hp to 245.

[thin minnow]

Next to a giant, a magician, and an insane fucker

[quiet valley]

Yeah too bad Ogryn has better ranged weapons than Vet lol

[faint beacon]

Idk if it’s an accomplishment that I only died 4 times and it usually was just

[thin minnow]

Bigger gun bigger dakka

[quiet valley]

Why give ammo to Plasma when you can give it to a Rumbler

[faint beacon]

Run out of dodges and then Mauler wall jumpscare

[unreal nova]

Collateral dump better for Bistol. You might wanna keep it for Bolter.

[thin minnow]

Why

[unreal nova]

Collateral changes nothing.

You get like 0.02 more stagger.

The stagger break point doesn't change.

[quiet valley]

You also get like 0.02 mobility

it doesnt really matter either way

[unreal nova]

But mobility>>>nothingburger stagger.

[quiet valley]

you aren't going to feel either dump

[spark cipher]

marginally higher mobility>stagger that's getting negated the moment blessing of nurgle exists

[unreal nova]

Cos as said, that amount of stagger doesn't change the breakpoint.

[unreal nova]

You can, though am a speed addict.

[spark cipher]

The best CC is death, collateral does not give death

[unreal nova]

I literally rerolled bistols to test.

[quiet valley]

I dont have the exact numbers but for Bolter in H40 I run pinning fire, so more stagger is more dmg

[unreal nova]

I said Bistol.

[quiet valley]

The original guy posted a bolter

[unreal nova]

Bolter, I said you might wanna keep collateral.

You should see what I replied to at the start.

[quiet valley]

(edited)

[unreal nova]

To fix a typo.

Do you really want to get a mod in here to see edits to a post?

[quiet valley]

Im not that heated about it

poor guy just wanted to see if his roll was good lol

[unreal nova]

Well, he got the answer. Mobility dump for bolter.

[thin minnow]

I have a 62% bistol got it on first roll

I am keeping it

[unreal nova]

Collateral for Bistol.

[thin minnow]

Yep, 62% collateral

79% damage and stability

[unreal nova]

Reroll.

80% damage or bust.

Stability doesn't matter if you reset ADS as you should. The kick is insane either way.

[thin minnow]

Nuh uh

[unreal nova]

Still best at 80% as well.

[thin minnow]

Already got it to 250 power and exalted rating, not gonna bother with a new one

[unreal nova]

.-.

[thin minnow]

1% won't kill me, and this and this novelty of being my first roll lol

It has sentimental value!

[unreal nova]

It's the gun with the worst breakpoints.

[thin minnow]

It shoots it kills good enough really

[unreal nova]

You basically want max damage on it to barely hit breakpoints.

[thin minnow]

Don't wanna min max too much

I mostly use melee anyway

It is there for when I feel spicy

62% mobility Rashad my beloved

[unreal nova]

.-.

Brb, bringing my pen dump DS5 to Gloriana.

[agile forge]

You'll have millions of dockets at some point anyway

at that point you might as well minmax shit

[quiet valley]

Yea new players have no idea what we used to have to do for good rolls

[manic badger]

Why does boltgun have Shattering Impact recommended if it has high ADM?

[cunning haven]

trying to experiment with different shock trooper builds with recon lasgun. am i misunderstanding? if i am at 3 or more stacks of weapons specialist i should have 100% crit chance but ws is using more ammo than deadshot.

[quiet valley]

You get that crit chance for 1 shot

[manic badger]

technically 2 because of crit string

[cunning haven]

damn, that is kinda trash

[manic badger]

it's good for weapons that do alot of damage with one shot and have high swap speed

like DB and plasma

and revovler

[cunning haven]

330% crit chance for 2 rounds. technically infinite ammo 😂

thanks for the clarification

here i am thinking i'd have to use my melee for this build

[manic badger]

that's a melee hybrid capstone for sure where you are constantly swapping

it makes the Rashad really godo with 25% increased attack speed

[red robin]

True

Love hotswap builds in games

Or fluidity

Doom eternal good for that

Which reminds me I gotta buy doom the dark ages

[deep sun]

So the new hellgun how much ammo would it have since its connected to a compacted generator of a energy backpack

[red robin]

?

Hellgun?

[manic badger]

it's on game pass

[deep sun]

Hotshot lasgun

Look it up

[red robin]

New?

[deep sun]

I was told about a update

[red robin]

Oooo

[quiet valley]

huge copium

[manic badger]

Yo we got a data miner

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/psycho-mantis-card-keys-2nd-floor-basement-metal-gear-gif-14675002

Me

[deep sun]

Wot you talking about i want to support to since i love da game

[manic badger]

DO NOT REDEEM

[deep sun]

?

[red robin]

Oi don’t be mean man

[deep sun]

Yeah what did i do

[red robin]

Your typing format gives the impression that English is your second language

[manic badger]

No it wasn't even that

he said "wot" and "da" thats clearly english first language stuff

[red robin]

Nvm that’s just me assuming the worst out of nothing

[manic badger]

it was just I didn't understand where he was going with the conversation

I was joking about data mining bc he's mentioning a gun in an upcoming update

that nobody knows anything about

[red robin]

Don’t take anything to offence my guy @deep sun, I appreciate that you enjoy darktide just like the rest of us

[loud belfry]

finna

[deep sun]

Im a heavy weapons kind of guy i love heavy weapons sincs crowd control and horde grinding

[quiet valley]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-tf2memes-the-rock-eyebrow-gif-24689247

Heavy weapons guy?

[deep sun]

Yes

[manic badger]

LMFAO

[frozen meadow]

is there any links for any good builds for havoc, I feel like I crumple super quick

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

I’d use power sword and plasma

Other than that this is the build I bring into havoc

[frozen meadow]

thanks

tbh idk if I dumb but I feel like two barreled shotgun does no dmgh

[tropic notch]

@frozen meadow

[narrow frost]

It's a horde evaporation tool. With the proper setup, the mixed hordes dies in 1-2 shots

[frozen meadow]

yeh I agree, just wondering why double barreled shotgun feels so bad

oh ok

I was using it on elites

[narrow frost]

could be perks/blessings/talents

[tropic notch]

True

[narrow frost]

it execells at shooting mixed hordes. So elitesmixed in with trash

usually ragers in a horde

[tropic notch]

Dbarrel on vet fun

[frozen meadow]

probs a skill issue on my side haha

thanks for help

[tropic notch]

Wouldn’t bring it into havoc tho lol

[narrow frost]

I've really only seen Combine bring it into havoc

and thats Combine

[frozen meadow]

the only thing I suck at in havoc is boss dmg and survivability but I keep bringing in execuitioners stance

so trhats probs why

[narrow frost]

yeah, thats the main problem

you will need a team that can protect you

[tropic notch]

Yeah power sword should help

And voc

[frozen meadow]

ty I will that with power sword and plasma gun

I was going to use a fire recon lasgun to melt

[tropic notch]

I forgot the perks but I know you gotta run power cycler and brutal momentum

[frozen meadow]

yeh I think I got those

[tropic notch]

With a cleave target dump stat

[frozen meadow]

I just cant believe how easy auric maelstrom is then I get folded in havoc

lol

well not easy

but manageable

[unreal nova]

Just high havocs.

[frozen meadow]

skill issue on my side too haha

[slow spade]

to be fair, the enemies get huge stats and buffs

a lot of good Vet builds are designed around 1-2 shot kills

stares by 50% hp increase

[unreal nova]

Enough to three shot a psyker at times lmao.

[frozen meadow]

ty and how do I want to use the plasma gun

like when do I want to charge it up

[manic badger]

never

you only left click

[frozen meadow]

ok ty

and if I went for this havok build, what perks and blessing would I want

[manic badger]

Rising heat/getshot plus flak maniac or blaze away/optimised cooling

can go unarmored if you are confident hitting headshots

[frozen meadow]

ty

[woeful plover]

Would be fine for just basic 4-5's ? Or should I start picking demolition team for example ? Not sure about shock trooper and Kill zone too (Recon with flak/crit and rashad with unarmored/carapace)

[manic badger]

I wouldn't bother with demo team till like 20 plus

[woeful plover]

Otherwise it's fine ? wasn't sure if I should pick shock trooper since I have survivalist and they give a ton of ammo on my content. Maybe stam regen instead or something

[tame lodge]

Waste of ammo
Loss of dps

Might blow up

[manic badger]

depends how much you want to spam your gun

[woeful plover]

I try my best to use melee more often, even I like my gun being out tbh
With WS I want to get it out only when I do have 10 stacks or something?

[tropic notch]

Demo team is awesome I’d get it

[woeful plover]

Even at that very low content I'm doing?

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[fading yarrow]

Am I not supposed to charge it up for hordes, Ogryn and Monstrosities?

[tropic notch]

Think of how many elites and specialist you and your team kills

[fading yarrow]

None.

[tame lodge]

Current Plasma gun is just M1 spam ad infinitum

It's pretty boring but that's that

[tropic notch]

This is my one build fits all for vet @woeful plover

Melee focused

[woeful plover]

Always prepared worth even with recon?

[tropic notch]

With recon no sadly

You’d probably be better putting it into shock troop there

[woeful plover]

And with rashad, should I go still on the stam regen or switch to a crit node since I'm playing rec?

[tropic notch]

Weapon specialist works well with plasma, bolter, bolt pistol, revolver, and dbarrel

[tropic notch]

Rashad is fine it’s very good

Id use unarmored and flak

Brutal momentum and headtaker

[woeful plover]

And so unyielding / crit on rec?

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s good

[woeful plover]

Alright I'll switch. I have flak / crit on rec and carapace ; unarmored on rashad rn

[hollow ibex]

WS in general not great with recon lol

[woeful plover]

Yeah I can see that, should switch for focus target maybe?

[hollow ibex]

Or keystoneless yeah

[woeful plover]

That too

I'm going to try plasma too, it's 70/70 on thermal resist and charge rate?

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[tropic notch]

Yeah if you use plasma I’d use always prepared then

[hollow ibex]

Meh

Plasma has a massive mag, not a good candidate for AP

[tropic notch]

[woeful plover]

What would you take instead? Marskman ?

[tropic notch]

Still nice though

[hollow ibex]

If you want, up to you really

[woeful plover]

And what kind of situations do you draw the plasma gun out ? (Gets hot / rising heat ; Flak/Unarmored?)

(spam without charging right?)

[hollow ibex]

Specialists and elite hordes that you can’t melee usually

[hollow ibex]

Yes but aim for headshots

[nimble canyon]

been using the same ole guns with veteran for ages, any guns that arent meta that any of you like to use (excluding terrible guns like shredder pistol).

[calm shard]

shredder pistol isn't a bad gun so you've already missed out there

[tame lodge]

The good news is the the Shredder Auto Pistol got buffed

The bad news is that I'm recommending combat shotguns

They are the definition of mid

And I love them

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/t1hEFSF shotgun propaganda

[hollow ibex]

Honestly they’re mostly just bad atm lol

[nimble canyon]

oh shredder pistol got buffed?

[tame lodge]

Ok maybe the accatran isto the bad side of the force

[nimble canyon]

is bolt pistol worth a try?

[hollow ibex]

It’s best used as a buff stick for nades

[calm shard]

or as a buff stick for psychic powers

[orchid hemlock]

Yesno

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Damage buff and some mobility shenanigans

Snuff all the CRIT chance you can get and shred things up

(bosses included)

[nimble canyon]

what about recon lasgun?

[calm shard]

didn't you say you've been using the veteran meta guns already

why would you want to use recon las more

that shit has been top meta for veteran for ages now

[nimble canyon]

never used it

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[nimble canyon]

except on my gun psyker

i mainly use bolt gun, plasma gun, and infantry autogun

[tame lodge]

Similar situation
But instead of snuffing all CRIT chance for damage, you snuff all CRIT chance so you can shoot a lot

[hollow ibex]

These are all meta guns

[nimble canyon]

ye thats why i asked for reccomendations for non meta guns

[hollow ibex]

lol fair

Agrivolver, double barrel shotgun, brauto are good options

[nimble canyon]

double barrel looks fun

[hollow ibex]

Ilas if you like suffering

[hollow ibex]

It’s very fun. Not meta but pretty strong.

Honestly one of the only guns that can horde clear efficiently in this game

[faint beacon]

0 mention of Vigils

Kill him

[tame lodge]

Vigils are too good to be considered bad

I mean

Off meta

[tropic notch]

It is

I love the hellbore bug with the shovel

Inf cleave shovel

What other weapons besides bolt pistol affect melee?

[tall torrent]

Not infinite

[tropic notch]

I know

Just a lot

[tall torrent]

It’s like 50 smth

At best

If every single enemy is hit on weakspot

[tame lodge]

My 88+ cleave Cleaver

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[tropic notch]

Welcome back brutal momentum

[tame lodge]

Hmmm

Hotshot with Rashad

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

Would take 8 enemies to reach 1.6 mass

If they are groaners that is

This might be nasty actually

And with 5 stacks of headtaker

~1.87 cleave

9 groaners would be 1.8 mass under hotshot

Which means that Rashad could hit 10

4 with full damage due to BM

Then the rest

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-i-know-what-were-gonna-do-today-i-know-what-were-going-to-do-today-gif-27359053

[faint beacon]

Honestly if it works in H40 that could be a play

But I’m wondering if one should path down CK or O4B for it

[tame lodge]

😭

It won't

[faint beacon]

Peak

[tame lodge]

4 mass reduced by 80% is 0.8

0.8 times 3 is 2.4

That's already past 1.5 clv of the Rashad

[tropic notch]

Doesn’t hotspot bug give you -80% hitmass?

[tame lodge]

So you're going to kill 4 targets and that's it for havoc Rashad

[tall torrent]

If hotshot was a talent it’d be good

But it’s a blessing on a mid gun

[tame lodge]

Hey

It's my mid gun

[sharp epoch]

lets goooo melee vet with helbore for a melee buff

[tame lodge]

But if it was a talent, definitely not 80%

That's a high value

[tropic notch]

Tbh a 80% cleave on weakspot on bet would be awesome

[pure cliff]

I’m currently rocking a Commando veteran class with plasma gun and shock club. Is that any good?

[sonic kayak]

Is it fun? Does it have results? If yes, then yes

[proven garden]

Doing krak penance what trash mob counts as an armored enemy

[sonic kayak]

I don't think any do, minus the 21st (which don't matter in this case, seeing as you can't get them unless ocassionally Havoc)

[balmy flume]

At most you want armoured Ragers who now have Carapace on body

And Maulers with Carapace on head

Then any armoured up from those (Crushers, Bulwark…)

[calm shard]

Moebian 21st, and Scab Bruisers

[proven garden]

Bet

[spark cipher]

So if I'm running uncanny should I just go up to the crusher and start spamming m1 to get the most out of it?

[hollow ibex]

Depends, what weapon?

Normally you should have uncanny stacked up already

So you would just use the single target combo for that weapon

[spark cipher]

mk1 shovel

[hollow ibex]

Definitely use the push attack

[gilded rock]

Does suppressing enemies make the -threat upgrade from Infiltrate go away?

[tropic notch]

Yeah depends on build

What are your talents?

[odd sparrow]

Id assume no. But you are likely generating more threat when you are supressing lots of enemies.

That threat id assume would still get reduced by 90%

[gilded rock]

That makes sense to me

Unless it's coded only as a "current threat" reduction instead of threat generated

[orchid hemlock]

Is this like roleplaying?

What's a commando? 🤔

[sharp epoch]

commando is a combatant that usually acts in the enemies back lines independently

[orchid hemlock]

Ah

So Zealot?

[sharp epoch]

nah book duty

[orchid hemlock]

I show this to the Heretics and they get blinded

[tidal reef]

whomse dare summon me

[gilded rock]

I dunno

[tidal reef]

ahh my graetest creation

me kissing the emperor

[gilded rock]

God's Emperor Fart

[tidal reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-nervous-dog-gif-10253137

[pure cliff]

It’s a veteran sub class that pretty much the Veteran using their booming voice to push back enemies, replenish toughness, and revive any nearby rejects who are downed (if you have Only in Death Does Duty End unlocked)

[orchid hemlock]

Wait we have sub classes?????

[pure cliff]

WE ALWAYS HAD SUBCLASSES!

Are you new or smth?

[orchid hemlock]

What?

Idk Obesefish never told me so

[pseudo fiber]

Also that "subclass" is called squad leader

[orchid hemlock]

I know that the Ogrynnomicon has Gunlugger/Bullgryn/Skull-Breaker

but those are made up names for the context of the guide

[pure cliff]

Oh. Oops mb.

[orchid hemlock]

I'm even more confused now

[pseudo fiber]

They technically have a name but also kinda not

Veteran has Sharpshooter, Squad leader and Commando

Zealot is Preacher, Banisher, Death Cult Assassin/Death Cultist

[tall torrent]

they're not quite "made up names" I think

[pseudo fiber]

And Psyker is Biomancer, Protectorate and Exile

[tall torrent]

like, pretty sure FS released blog abt it before

veteran's 3 are sharpshooter, squad leader and commando

zealot's 3 are preacher, banisher and death cult assassin

[gritty mural]

the shbclass names were in the files

[orchid hemlock]

The point is I don't see the names in the actual game

[tall torrent]

yea maybe read FS forum posts more or smth idk

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe it was before the talent rework, but I played after that was patched

[pseudo fiber]

I believe they're also in the files

either way

they technically are named

[gritty mural]

the three parts in the skill tree are laid out... like they're some sort of sub.. classes... hmmm

[tall torrent]

I am hard coping with the sudden power spike requirement jumping from act2 to act4 in RT

I did act3 in like 6hrs even with save scumming to roll tests

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[pseudo fiber]

crpg classic that

[tall torrent]

act 2 was so good that act 3 falling off is super noticeable and jarring

[pseudo fiber]

It's an owlcat game then

haha

they... all do that.

[tall torrent]

act 3 final boss also just

stat

nothing interesting

her minions were a bigger threat than herself

i made my RT basically the equivalent of a DT veteran

[solar valve]

Wait till the act 4 final

U either cheese or get cheesed lul

[pseudo fiber]

You having fun at least?

[tall torrent]

act3 nowhere as good as act2

[solar valve]

Hope u bring a officer/grand strategist

[tall torrent]

it's sorta shocking

[solar valve]

Act 3 also depends on the companions you brought

[tall torrent]

I will spam jae + cassia + pasqal trail and give myself 12 turns in 1 round

[tall torrent]

I don't like how going from the end of act2 to starting act4 (which is a rly short timeframe) means u have to basically shift out all ur weapons and armor

like, without knowing wat loot u'll have and how soon (cuz am on a first playthrough), it's impossible to make these informed decisions on build

rn I'm using a confident approach AM with chainaxe + inferno pistol

with ranged crit and pistol crit stuff

and I built argenta for heavy bolter

[solar valve]

You can get to guarabteed crit w/o conf approach but it does make use out of deadly aim well since it is one of the only good sources of scaling dodge reduction

[tall torrent]

so 2 AMs with diff routes

[tall torrent]

I can do like 4 attacks with my RT in 1 turn without officer

if I roll rng for never stop shooting well