It’s ok. Not a high priority
#veteran-class
tame lodge
Seems like to be a mix of every +damage and +warp that psyker can stack
orchid hemlock
Oh sorry I was just making an inside joke I wasn't trying to intimidate you 💀
There is a very.......prolific Darktide Content Creator that made a statement
gilded rock
What is the process you do to cure hide again
high token
dont worry bout that, tho I'd appretiate explaining if recon gun is best played keystoneless?
gilded rock
dont worry bout that, tho I'd appretiate explaining if recon gun is best played ...
No
Focus Target is great
orchid hemlock
dont worry bout that, tho I'd appretiate explaining if recon gun is best played ...
I prefer taking focus target
It really does help with the damage
gilded rock
And you get goodies along the way
orchid hemlock
Keystoneless is for onslaught Recon
But tbh
Onslaught Recon I think is a trap 💀
high token
Seems fine with high fire rate no?
tho, taking it out would actually allow me to get focus target 
gilded rock
What was onslaught again?
high token
brittleness on hit
hollow ibex
dont worry bout that, tho I'd appretiate explaining if recon gun is best played ...
Yes that’s perfectly fine
tame lodge
Seems fine with high fire rate no?
Yes it seems fine with high fire rate and allows recon to shoot carapace
But vet's best melees can deal with Carapace just fine
gilded rock
Ohh the meme-esque build for recon
orchid hemlock
Seems fine with high fire rate no?
The problem with onslaught is that it takes soo many points to grab for the benefit of only 2 situations:
1.) Crushers
2.) Bosses
high token
duck n dive also bait? 
hollow ibex
orchid hemlock
In all other situations, grabbing other nodes is better
high token
honestly just idk what im doin here 
orchid hemlock
duck n dive also bait? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
No, its just that it doesn't path well with other nodes
hollow ibex
duck n dive also bait? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
Yeah since if you’re taking itit you’re probably memeing with a deadshot build
And yeah pathing sucks
orchid hemlock
honestly just idk what im doin here <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
This is what I run on Havoc: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/vet-havoc-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
high token
'preciate
umbral scaffold
Sorry if this ain't the channel for it, but does anyone know where I can find the god roll stat sheets? Wanna check something
hollow ibex
Check pins
high token
why are the one trick weapons in the guide called that? Like whats their trick
orchid hemlock
why are the one trick weapons in the guide called that? Like whats their trick
Being shit 
high token
calm shard
why are the one trick weapons in the guide called that? Like whats their trick
chainswords have the fastest horde clear in the game if there are no ragers, maulers or anything else that is not a poxwalker in the horde
orchid hemlock
chainswords have the fastest horde clear in the game if there are no ragers, mau...
Ah so
Not Havoc
high token
yea that doesnt seem much usefull
orchid hemlock
Who will win
hollow ibex
chainswords have the fastest horde clear in the game if there are no ragers, mau...
Fastest horde clear in sedation
calm shard
shredder autopistol hasn't been updated
it's a pretty alright weapon these days
mostly a zealot/psyker weapon tho
the fanning revolver has absurdly high boss damage rivaling the bolter
zarona shotgun has really high boss damage too
kantrael shotgun is decent at clearing mixed hordes
Mk IX infantry las takes less damage boosts to one shot elites and has better damage into reapers
calm shard
it is a distinctly mid tier weapon
has genuinely pretty fantastic damage
and some of the most god awful horde clear in the game
high token
so it's either the knife or the axe for me
calm shard
Because for some reason Fatshark decided that to "balance" chain weapons the last time they buffed them
They implemented a cleave damage limit
Meaning that no matter how much cleave the Eviscerator or Chain Axe have they can only dmage a certain number of enemies
It's 3 for the Chain Axe and I think 4 for the Eviscerator?
Chain Sword doesn't have it
gilded rock
Chainsword is Warhammer's favorite child as usual
high token
only 3 and 4?
calm shard
Chainsword is Warhammer's favorite child as usual
It's the worst melee weapon in the game
imo
I would genuinely rather use anything else
gilded rock
It's a pretty versatile one
serene bough
It's the worst melee weapon in the game
dclaw is more garbage
hollow ibex
versatile at what
calm shard
It is good at horde clear, and only horde clear
hollow ibex
killing poxxers?
calm shard
Against trash mobs
It cannot kill ragers, maulers, or anything wearing any type of armor
hollow ibex
becaues that's all it does well, killing poxxers
calm shard
dclaw is more garbage
Devils claw is also bad you wanna know a problem chainsword has that dclaw doesn't?
gilded rock
It can kill literally anything gamer
calm shard
Ragers
gilded rock
Not amazingly but it can
calm shard
Dclaw damn near removes ragers from the game it's so good at killing them
orchid hemlock
becaues that's all it does well, killing poxxers
I'm the trashman
high token
Not amazingly but it can
you could say that about any weapon no?
hollow ibex
pretty much
calm shard
Chainsword sees a rager in the middle of the horde and sighs knowing it won't be klilling shit for the next 8 swings it takes to kill them
Dclaw presses parry and the rager is erased from this reality
calm shard
And it goes right back to clearing the horde
gilded rock
A good few weapons are worthless into cara or even boss
I was talking about in terms of chain weapons alone, anyway
Since that was the point of conversation
high token
oh
calm shard
It's also the worst of the chain weapons
Being bad at horde clear is not as big of a deal as being bad at killing elites
see: dueling sword, knife
best melees in the game
high token
think im gon try out combat axe, im tired of the knife
hollow ibex
make sure to check pins
caxe requirements are pretty specific
and you should be using the rashad
formal ice
make sure to check pins
high token
make sure to check pins
im looking at the build you sent me
hollow ibex
oh yeah that works
gilded rock
Being bad at horde clear is not as big of a deal as being bad at killing elites
I'm aware
It is decent at both
calm shard
Chainsword is not decent into elites
And it is actually very good at horde clear
Chainsword is the one weapon in this game that has the privilege
Of being so unbelievably shit that it feels bad to use on Gun Psyker
gilded rock
If we're talking about on either vet or zealot, I know at least on zealot it can deal with them well
orchid hemlock
<a:checkpins:1033083791847202827>
calm shard
Vet and Zealot woudl have it worse
gilded rock
I used to play chord on vet and it worked pretty well too
calm shard
Psyker is the highest melee damage amp in the game
And Chainsword still just doesn't kill shit on them
If it isn't unarmored/infested it's not dying
It might die to the special, but that's slow and only does big boy damage on the final hit. Which is something I'm not likely to land because this is darktide
gilded rock
Any non-crusher/monstro dies to one special on vet
calm shard
great
hollow ibex
special sucks tho
gilded rock
Bloodletter is nice no-commitment damage as well
calm shard
go land that special in the middle of a horde
remember you cannot kill that enemy without the special
and you cannot kill the horde while that enemy is alive
gilded rock
Kid named cleave:
Unless you mean specifically crushers
Which make enough space around themselves for you to do a special
high token
ok the axe seems fun
gilded rock
Works for my aurics 
hollow ibex
ok the axe seems fun
Yeah it’s pretty braindead but just gets shit done. No nonsense.
calm shard
I cannot stress enough that whole "the highest melee damage amp in the game does not make chainsword kill things quickly." point btw
takes 3 hits with a crit
takes like 7 without
send help
like jesus christ dude
pseudo fiber
serene bough
i was kinda hoping activating the rev attack changes the moveset to be more single target focused
as opposed to the current iteration where its a big saw attack for "massive" damage
hybrid token
I'd like it if the special was a toggle that just turned all attacks into big saw attacks
Instead of needing to turn it on over and over
More like the relic sword
serene bough
yeah thats what i would do too
left patrol
i was kinda hoping activating the rev attack changes the moveset to be more sing...
mode switching would be really cool
chain weapons are so rad i just want them to be viable
wind grotto
I still think the toggle should of always been trading speed for damage and rending on chain weapons, I understand why they made it what it is since it does feel satisfying to use but it's usefulness falls off even before aurics let alone auric maelstrom/havoc
nimble bridge
how useful is hotshot on the helbore lasgun?
hollow ibex
how useful is hotshot on the helbore lasgun?
not very
you mainly take it because it applies to your melee weapon
but even then, not super useful
nimble bridge
you mean the bayonet?
hollow ibex
bayonet is pretty shit now these days
your actual melee weapon
i mean sure it applies to your bayonet too, but it's not helpful
nimble bridge
i didnt know it works like that
is there any other blessing i can take on the gun that works for my melee weapon too
hollow ibex
not sure
but bistol's lethal proximity applies to grenades
and bistol's puncture applies to warp slice on force greatsword (so i guess that's a melee wep)
nimble bridge
oh so its a bug
hollow ibex
not a bug, feature 🙂↕️
unreal nova
and bistol's puncture applies to warp slice on force greatsword (so i guess that...
Warpslice itself is a ranged projectile so...
hollow ibex
ranged projectile coming from a melee weapon...
odd sparrow
A lot of blessings count as long as youre holding the weapon.
Similarly zealots can gain rending on their throwing knives if they have an active rending blessing
faint wedge
cunning haven
oh Great Shark of Fat, hear my plea. since the bayonet is less stabby, please allow me to shoot or charge Helbore shots while stabbing. this would make Helbore more interesting and skillful. (or maybe bless our bayonet once more) 🙏
would synergise well with agile engagement
tribal tangle
Anyone have a good executioners stance or stealth build? Tryna go through and finalize my builds and mostly everything is voc
dry cloak
Anyone have a good executioners stance or stealth build? Tryna go through and fi...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ec8b89a-018e-4284-ad11-fb6bfbde25f8/infitrejthere my infiltrate. get which ever grenade you want, i use kraks to patch holes in my damage
you can use this as a base and change few things
manic badger
and bistol's puncture applies to warp slice on force greatsword (so i guess that...
do you mean you have to swap to the pistol immediately after doing the FGS special?
unreal nova
do you mean you have to swap to the pistol immediately after doing the FGS speci...
Yes. You need to swap while the slice is in the air.
Same with Assail, btw.
tribal tangle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ec8b89a-018e-4284-ad11-fb6bfbde25f8/in...
Now i get to mindless click over and over to make weapons for sacrificing
dry cloak
https://tenor.com/view/paper-squidward-gif-7853804371449567903
dont look at weapons
just use your own
tribal tangle
oh im just making a bunch in general
dry cloak
aye
tribal tangle
need to try out some different things, trying to get all of my build slots filled. Gonna do rng for character and builds for each game so I have to constantly adapt
dry cloak
if you want a exe stance build i can give it to you
mighty willow
Should i use Headhunter or Dum Dum on the recon Lasgun? assuming Inferno is the other blessing
dry cloak
dumdum
dry cloak
personal preference
dry cloak
need to try out some different things, trying to get all of my build slots fille...
here general version
tribal tangle
weapon suggestions? I pretty much never use any gun focused builds
dry cloak
for lasgun version loos rending strikes for shocktrooper
dry cloak
weapon suggestions? I pretty much never use any gun focused builds
for exe stance?
tribal tangle
prob recon las for exe eh?
dry cloak
yeah it works
tribal tangle
lol i bet
dry cloak
revolvers. bolt pistol bolter, agripinna infatry autogun, all vigilant autoguns
even the shredder autopistol for the memes
i assume youre going to use this build at aurics
tribal tangle
yeah this is all just for auric stuff, im gonna get havoc builds for each character later. Just haven't had the irl time to dedicate to havoc grind unforunately
dry cloak
havoc is not for normal people
agile forge
Idk if I would bother with marks focus on a recon though
The actual Finesse damage on them is only average, I'd probably rather have Focus Target for the burn damage
Marks focus is great on an IAG though
calm shard
Anyone have a good executioners stance or stealth build? Tryna go through and fi...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9edec46b-39c2-4705-9e7c-7d813b98c72c/havoc-exe-stance-bolter I've been using this in havocs
Haven't gotten a 40 completion with this build, but I've done up to 36 with it
Absolute damage powerhouse, but you are super frail and slow so you have to have good awareness and positioning
but also being able to kill every gunner and specialist on the map by yourself in the blink of an eye is very fun
grand perch
The actual Finesse damage on them is only average, I'd probably rather have Focu...
not just average, its subpar
man inspecting random vets on mourningstar is like
longshot everywhere
calm shard
The actual Finesse damage on them is only average, I'd probably rather have Focu...
yeah I've tried it's not worth
grand perch
make longshot great again so all these uninformed souls arent wasting that point
calm shard
maybe don't look at my bolter build I posted a few seconds ago
calm shard
yeah like a helbore or infantry autogun
grand perch
maybe don't look at my bolter build I posted a few seconds ago
on bolter for reload thats okay in my book
calm shard
it also gives the tiny damage boost I need to make up for not having puncture
which lets me keep breakpoints at mid range that I would lose otherwise
grand perch
youre not taking longshot for its own sake in a 1 point dip
agile forge
MF is so misunderstood honestly
calm shard
it's perfectly understood it's just unpopular
and only good on a few weapons that are also unpopular
agile forge
No, I see people using it badly more than I see it being used well tbh
If I ever see somebody take it on an IAG I will recant that lol
grand perch
it's perfectly understood it's just unpopular
nah not enough people realise how much damage boost 75% finesse bonus really gives
grand perch
If I ever see somebody take it on an IAG I will recant that lol
i mean its a popular build for vraks IAG
agile forge
i mean its a popular build for vraks IAG
I push that build a lot
grand perch
well i say popular but i dont see that many people with vraks iag anymore
agile forge
I mean I'd expect a tac axe fan to understand it at least lol
calm shard
popular build with a weapon few people use
quiet valley
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9edec46b-39c2-4705-9e7c-7d813b98c72c/ha...
Try this
H40
calm shard
why would I do that for worse reload speed, worse sustain, and only slightly improved damage when having damage is not the shortcoming of the build
calm shard
it's an executioners stance bolter
marksman seems overkill to have to sacrifice the ability to regen toughness for
quiet valley
You aint doing this without Marksman
calm shard
and also having to take the worse reload speed node
well yeah because I'm not wasting my fucking ammo shooting into twins
quiet valley
???
calm shard
also marksman didn't do that
quiet valley
Killing twins fast prevents 90% of wipes
calm shard
ogryn with assumedly skullcrusher+thunderous did that
actually you can see when skullcrusher kicks in that amps the damage
because if you had kept doing the damage your first ~4 shots did
you would have done less than half their health with your entire magazine
skullcrusher is what killed the twin there
not marksman
quiet valley
Marksman still always out DPSes longshot pick
calm shard
i'm not picking longshot for longshot
quiet valley
Better reload isnt worth the shit longshot talent tax
calm shard
I'm picking it to get the better reload
quiet valley
The problem you have is bad TDR
calm shard
weird I've never noticed that before
quiet valley
Your chara is mega squishy
calm shard
too used to playing gun psyker and having almost 0 anyways ig
iron will is more than enough TDR for me personally given my usual taste in playstyles
quiet valley
Pskyer has empathic
calm shard
but I understand the sentiment
quiet valley
Also pskyer has real toughness regen options XD
calm shard
I have out for blood I swing my power sword 2 times and am at full toughness
or throw a shredder and get back to full
quiet valley
You could drop long shot point tax, take Tac reload, and get Marksman
calm shard
target down helps more too
might as well give it a shot
it's how I was initially running it before deciding "damn tactical reload is mediocre on its own" and deciding to eat the 2 points for volley adept
Who knows maybe my opinion will have changed in the...week? Since I tried that
slow spade
Volley Adept is bad only because Longshot is essentially a wasted point
Really a shame the Close Range change shafted Longshot
sharp epoch
melee vet still performs better and its better into a variety of teams
quiet valley
Yeah but why play melee vet when you can play Ogryn/Zealot
atomic void
just learn how to aim 
sharp epoch
golden toughness while still being able to do damage
quiet valley
or dont aim and play Rumbler and out DPS every vet without hitting a single headshot XD
atomic void
most annoying teammate to play with unironically
quiet valley
Rumbler DPS is outta pocket rn
quiet valley
dont worry tho, new Vet weapon 2025 guys
quiet valley
you give ammo
Vet = Ammo Twink atm
atomic void
only in havoc tbh
vets still do crazy work in an actual balanced mode
(aurics)
havoc is just ping bong wahooo land
quiet valley
Vet balanced for Malice smh
atomic void
malic the cannon difficulty
i played a malice game the other day trying to help a friend level and my god 😬
3 0 brain lobbies in a row
calm shard
dont worry tho, new Vet weapon 2025 guys
2 handed shovel
sharp epoch
vets fine on havoc you just gotta land every headshot and barely make mistakes
sharp epoch
sullen jackal
veteran third keystone fits zealot better 
tame lodge
Gun zealot propaganda
quiet valley
You can pump dmg on any class
It depends how long the mission takes/how long your teammates are downed XD
sullen jackal
Gun zealot propaganda
i mean it's a melee focused talent that wants you to stay in melee longer than ranged
it's entirely the opposite of what veteran should be about, which is guns with maybe a side of melee
sharp epoch
theres no way to be guns with a side of melee when ammo is so limited
its melee with a side of guns
unless your running a shocktrooper build
quiet valley
unless your running a shocktrooper build
I was already typing shocktrooper XD
sharp epoch
yeah thats the one exception and even still you still need some pickups
quiet valley
Nope
Deadshot gaming
You should only need ammo pickups on shocktroop build if something has gone terribly wrong in a run
sharp epoch
also I never get those 1 hr+ games, it's either we lose or win in like 35-40 mins
heavy rover
Deadshot gaming
greetings fellow deadshot enjoyer 🤝
warm idol
havoc is just ping bong wahooo land
honestly I wish havoc ammo economy wasn't so awful
quiet valley
also I never get those 1 hr+ games, it's either we lose or win in like 35-40 min...
Yea depends how many downs/how much room you have to kite horde to clutch
warm idol
it feels like it just makes a lot of weapons feel awful to use because of it
sharp epoch
it feels like it just makes a lot of weapons feel awful to use because of it
yeah it makes whole classes and subclasses gimped
quiet valley
Every Vet ranged weapon is viable in Havoc except Combat Shotguns, Inf Autoguns, Braced Autoguns, and Autopistol
Oh and revolver sucks too
So like half
warm idol
that's my main beef with havoc since otherwise the modifiers (well except cancer ones like the corruption pool) and more enemies are fun
well i'm not a fan of the DH modifier either
having 2 rituals just appear when a horde spawns is somewhat cancerous
sharp epoch
blight spreads in almost a non modifier with a beacon zealot
quiet valley
Rituals are fine, if they aren’t bugged
sharp epoch
rituals is yeahh buggy
could be the easiest run of your life, could have two rituals going fast at the same time
my least favorite is still encroaching, it just makes other modifiers even harder
quiet valley
Final Toll is the worst for me, so many teammate overheads eaten
heavy rover
final toll is so painful
sharp epoch
final toll you can somewhat control by bursting whatever target, encroaching sometimes you got a bulwark healing a pack of ragers and crushers and its pain
quiet valley
Yeah both are pretty bad
sharp epoch
or a healing boss with a pack of armor 💀
quiet valley
Purple DHs exist
calm shard
final toll you can somewhat control by bursting whatever target, encroaching som...
final toll is reinforcing my belief that bulwarks should never be able to benefit from stagger resistance or immunity
staggering them is literally the only consistent counterplay to them
why can they be immune or resistant to it
quiet valley
facts
loud belfry
bulwarks need to have a destructible part of their shield added
elder fiber
add vt2 wargors with banners so the healing bulwarks can heal while they heal
elder fiber
wiping b/c somebody shot a banner to stop the entire mixed horde from healing and knocked everybody off a ledge owns
slow spade
just as planned...
grizzled pebble
Get a good burga psyker for purple modifier.
boreal void
Having a hard time parsing the keystones. Are any particularly good or bad?
sharp epoch
Having a hard time parsing the keystones. Are any particularly good or bad?
A lot of them are not worth/mid I just take the keystone of WS and none of the subnodes
gilded rock
Vet = Ammo Twink atm
Vet is the funny grenade spam or double barrel ADHD guy for me
Or hlasp head clicker every now and then
boreal void
A lot of them are not worth/mid I just take the keystone of WS and none of the s...
Good to note. Kinda the gut feeling I had.
tame lodge
But yeah to be more specific
Marksman Focus is the niche one, doesn't synergize with most weapons and basically funnels you into ranged only
Focus Target is good for certain weapons that are breakpoint hunters, the 8 stacks modifier isn't really worth it
sharp epoch
Also vet tree itself just limits the amount of talent points you have by the time you reach the keystone so not much options for subnodes
tame lodge
Weapon Specialist is generally good, but basically only the Always Prepared modifier is worth something
gilded rock
Focus Target is good for certain weapons that are breakpoint hunters, the 8 stac...
Or consistent fire shooters where extra damage is just lower TTK
gilded rock
Weapon Specialist is generally good, but basically only the Always Prepared modi...
I like the toughness on swap for DB as well, good sustain for running at a gunner line
sharp epoch
yeah tougness regen on vets is pretty inconsistent unless you run confirmed kill
boreal void
Weapon specialist took me thr longest time reading to understand
elder fiber
thankfully actually playing it is easy b/c its really just doing what you should be doing in matches anyways
and making that better
boreal void
What's the max level?
sharp epoch
What's the max level?
character level? 30
tame lodge
You might find players with 31-40 on their name, but that's their havoc clearance level
sharp epoch
wow you're new new, you should try out every class before you "main" one
tiny junco
drop the build on this, been looking for a good hammer build like this
severe lark
Hey the plasma gun for havoc is a good weapon?
tiny junco
Hey the plasma gun for havoc is a good weapon?
i mean kinda ish
not good to panic with but it does really good damage
and it fucks anything up with a couple shots
severe lark
I know that, it's very good and against gunners it's very good because you can stop them all if you hit one, but I've seen people saying that it's not a very good weapon.
severe lark
I know it can kill everything with one shot because I've tried it with the Ogryns.
serene bough
Plasma is arguably best ranged weapon for havoc
tiny junco
here's my opinion
good at bulwarks and hordes
good at boss damage
good with ammo economy
bad at panic defense
bad at response time
takes really long to reload
serene bough
Maybe recon
tiny junco
i would recommend recon lasgun for havoc
quiet valley
Last moments on H40 Exec Helbore before triple server D/C wipe
tiny junco
there's no cons to the recon other than low damage
serene bough
Plasma's main benefit is its penetration and log-sized hitbox
quiet valley
Would have been peak
tiny junco
Last moments on H40 Exec Helbore before triple server D/C wipe
helbore is BROKEN in havoc
quiet valley
nope haha
quiet valley
Draw time, charge time, dodge distance etc
severe lark
Hellbore is a good weapon?
hollow ibex
eh
serene bough
Helbore exe can do damage
hollow ibex
very niche
tiny junco
the base variant does everything perfectly
draw time is barely noticable, charge time is ok on the base variant, dodge distance is meh but i never noticed it
serene bough
But it has a high skill ceiling to use
quiet valley
Its good, it just takes a lot of effort for it to perform better than other options
hollow ibex
all of them have the same shit drawtime
quiet valley
Idk the Heavy one
tiny junco
not really it's like a second to draw
quiet valley
MkIII i think
hollow ibex
i only run mk iv
if i have to spend most of my talent points investing into the gun, i expect it to deal with carapace
tiny junco
lemme see what one i run
because mine is really op in general
yeah, MKV
yeah drawtime on mkv is literally a second
hollow ibex
it has literally the worst draw time in the game
a second is an eternity in a game like DT
tame lodge
Hellbore is a good weapon?
One of the best ranged weapons in the game
Behind a really long draw time, bad iron sights, charged shot dependant and servers hit reg
tiny junco
not really i mean its actually not bad to panic with
quiet valley
The server hit reg is so tough for helbore
tiny junco
yeah it is really mean on hit reg but past that i mean its broken
severe lark
I see, then I'll try it to see what it's like, which by the way came out like this, I don't know if it's good
quiet valley
What I was using with Exec H40
tiny junco
the iron sights i don't really mind as it's just a dot
hollow ibex
I see, then I'll try it to see what it's like, which by the way came out like th...
i don't recommend it if you're new
tiny junco
why hs1?
severe lark
Its the mkV
quiet valley
Its for surgical stacks
hollow ibex
i mean true
tiny junco
ahk
hollow ibex
but for specialists i think weight of fire is still very helpful
quiet valley
Yep
serene bough
What I was using with Exec H40
Does hotshot not have a t4 blessings
tiny junco
personal las i run
serene bough
T1 hotshot is a 80% reduction
?
severe lark
Its the mkV
Is it good?
serene bough
Bugged?
quiet valley
Yeah Hotshot is bugged to hell
tame lodge
Does hotshot not have a t4 blessings
It does
But it's bugged
serene bough
Ah
quiet valley
Run T1
tame lodge
So t1 gives more value
serene bough
How does fatshark even manage to do that lmao
tame lodge
The bug is that the values are inverted
quiet valley
T1 Hotshot I can kill 4 dreg gunners in 1 shot, T4 Hotshot I can only kill 2 in 1 shot
tiny junco
i just can't pick a good melee on vet which is why i only run havoc's w my recon las
tame lodge
(there's also the bug that makes hotshot apply to your melee weapon but that's uh side effect)
tiny junco
i never tried hot shot but then again i go for more hitting the people than aiming for headshot
hollow ibex
i just can't pick a good melee on vet which is why i only run havoc's w my recon...
just use powersword
severe lark
i just can't pick a good melee on vet which is why i only run havoc's w my recon...
Duelist or power sword is a good melee for havoc
hollow ibex
it's not like you have options on vet lmfao
serene bough
i just can't pick a good melee on vet which is why i only run havoc's w my recon...
Powersword for mixed horde, knife for mobility safety stick, and DS for obv reasons
severe lark
or so they say
elder vessel
i just can't pick a good melee on vet which is why i only run havoc's w my recon...
most exhilarating recon las gameplay
agile forge
Rashad?
tiny junco
i mean axes are ok
tame lodge
Is it good?
No, low charge rate
tiny junco
they're not good but not bad
quiet valley
Rashad is fine for Auric, falls off hard in Havoc
elder vessel
chainaxe my beloved
tiny junco
i personally run a assault chain
agile forge
Do they not cleave any more?
tiny junco
quiet valley
No 1 shots for Brutal Momentum in H40
sharp epoch
Do they not cleave any more?
some modifiers you cant even one shot the bruisers heads
agile forge
some modifiers you cant even one shot the bruisers heads
This kills the caxe
tiny junco
i run it for panic mobility and honestly cause it's fun
serene bough
i personally run a assault chain
Pls no
tiny junco
literally the only reason i would use chain weapons is for rev it up so I can run batshit crazy
tiny junco
i mean if I roll up to a h40 with a helbore 90% of the time im getting kicked anyway
elder vessel
We need more chainaxe gamerers
quiet valley
If you enter a H40 lobby with this you are getting kicked too tbh haha
tiny junco
i run chainaxe on zeal
yeah either way you're getting kicked especially if you're running a helbore
atp it doesn't matter your melee so long as I can run from the specials and go get more ammo and come back to my team to cc
trim badger
Powersword for mixed horde, knife for mobility safety stick, and DS for obv reas...
Knife with weapon specialist and trench drill fighter <3
tiny junco
i might try knife, what mk
trim badger
i might try knife, what mk
Well 3 is for single target and 6 is for more AOE
However 6's push attack is extremely good for single target
tiny junco
i like aoe more than single target
quiet valley
6 is better 90% of the time
trim badger
Lemme make one
trim badger
no just gimme the one you currently run
Well yeah cuz I'm on the phone
I need to make it
unreal nova
i might try knife, what mk
- Just 6.
unreal nova
3 tends to be a Zealot toy
Nu, still 6.
agile forge
I mean shroudfield builds, rather than the sensible fury/chorus knife users
unreal nova
I mean shroudfield builds, rather than the sensible fury/chorus knife users
Even for those.
Just pust atk your pop out hit.
tiny junco
I mean shroudfield builds, rather than the sensible fury/chorus knife users
shroudfield knife is just literally broken
i personally run a 3 shroudfield knife with lac and fleshtearer and oh my god it is broken
tiny junco
now give me one for the mk6
trim badger
I don't use mk6 myself
tiny junco
goodness gracious fartshart
tiny junco
guess im running ripo and flesh tearer
faint beacon
guess im running ripo and flesh tearer
The combos for knife are pretty generous
Riposte/Preog
Uncanny/Precog
Uncanny/Riposte
or if you want bleed that bypasses armor
Uncanny/Lacerate or Flesh Tearer
hollow ibex
Lacerate gang
agile forge
Lacerate means hitting the body though
knife never wants to do that on purpose
I think on veteran it can make sense to go uncanny/mercy kill with serrated blade too right?
or is that poop?
gilded rock
Today I will throw my 8 morbillion times finesse modifier down the drain for four stacks of bleed
tame lodge
I think on veteran it can make sense to go uncanny/mercy kill with serrated blad...
That makes sense yes
Is it good? Sort of
hollow ibex
Lacerate means hitting the body though
Nah
You’re not going to be hitting the head all the time anyway
You still aim for the head, but lacerate will constantly proc from attack angles
Mercy killer isn’t worth it on vet
faint beacon
It’s literally a 3.5 second uptime when you’re juggling heads a bodies
And lacerate always procs
elder fiber
Lacerate discourse in the year of our lord 2025 
tame lodge
The curse of lacerate is just not disappearing
faint beacon
Lacerate is dog shit unless you’re pairing it with Uncanny that’s literally it
hollow ibex
Lacerate discourse in the year of our lord 2025 <:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412>
lacerate's back baby
well i'm not sure it was ever truly gone
faint beacon
Barely back
hollow ibex
but it's unironically pretty good rn
faint beacon
But it’s only good with Uncanny
Outside of that don’t touch it
Basically rending buff bleed against enemies with armor and makes it deal a lot more damage and Lacerate is a guaranteed source of bleed vs a chance too
hollow ibex
and serrated blade got buffed 
honestly bleed knife is still the bleed club at home though
because ogryn is ogryn
tame lodge
Lacerate is dog shit unless you’re pairing it with Uncanny that’s literally it
Lacerate is dog shit unless you’re pairing it with Uncanny that’s literally it
hollow ibex
skill issues
narrow frost
tame lodge
Hmmm yes it is a skill issue
Since I can't hit bodies
narrow frost
lacerate mentioned?
tame lodge
narrow frost
you guys use scoreboard?
tame lodge
I don't
https://tenor.com/view/howard-stark-tony-stark-the-avengers-avengers-science-gif-6569892173967199721
hollow ibex
25% (I played purga last 5 matches)
no excuses smh
sharp epoch
ogryns got really noce bleed synergy like what 32% free tdr at all times and 2-4 bleedstacks per hit
sharp epoch
because ogryn is ogryn
^
sharp epoch
post your weakspot rates for the last five matches
how do you see weakspot rate I just see weakspot amount
tame lodge
Yeah I'm talking shit about lacerate (deserved)
agile forge
competing with agile engagement it could never win
You mean Serrated Blade
sharp epoch
o ya
faint beacon
you guys use scoreboard?
Used too till the game consistently crashed cause of it
Simply used it for build feedback
lusty ether
you guys use scoreboard?
I don't, because I'm lazy, but I probably would enjoy being able to validate my vibes with randoms.
"this feels oddly difficult"
checks score
hollow ibex
competing with agile engagement it could never win
i take both
lusty ether
"that explains it"
sharp epoch
I was brainstorming a serrated blade* ps 3 sunder build but really theres no point cause it doesn't synergize with anything except the inf cleave
hollow ibex
yeah that sounds... painful
i think SB's really only use on vet right now is to complement mk3 lacerate knife
MK isn't worth it
idk what else you'd use it for
sharp epoch
uncanny shovel might be decent but shovel
faint beacon
You don’t take Serrated for anything it’s just not worth it
tame lodge
I was brainstorming a serrated blade* ps 3 sunder build but really theres no poi...
You might even kill the targets before Bleed does anything useful
faint beacon
Outside of Mercy Killer knife
faint beacon
There’s a lot of straight up useless talents
hollow ibex
You don’t take Serrated for anything it’s just not worth it
muh lacerate knife tho
hollow ibex
good thing zealot's next in line for their rework
grand perch
gilded rock
Zealot chat members will need to get therapy after the rework to erase the accursed The Build pattern from their minds
hollow ibex
Last to get keystones, last to get rework
grand perch
Veteran QOL rework in 10 years
faint beacon
formal ice
me looking for the rework
grand perch
hollow ibex
yeah, i'd be down if fatshart would let me 
warm idol
because ogryn is ogryn
ngl vet feels like the most shafted class
also where the hell is my hotshot lasgun fatshart
warm idol
it's just that compared to other classes outside of voc
I don't feel like i'm bringing much to the table
faint beacon
Well it’s mainly cause you have to put a lot more effort in with other abilities if it isn’t VOC
warm idol
are they balancing the game around havoc or auric?
elder fiber
lol
hollow ibex
lol
hollow ibex
they're balancing around ~vibes~
warm idol
is it tho
elder fiber
they're balancing around may 2025 rumblergryns somehow going down in aurics
warm idol
considering the lower playcount
hollow ibex
wouldn't be surprised if they delegated balancing to chatgpt
narrow frost
I do not have the numbers for players
warm idol
i'd assume most people still playing are people doing aurics/havocs
narrow frost
but I would not be suprised
faint beacon
they're balancing around may 2025 rumblergryns somehow going down in aurics
The fact that go down in the first place is wild
Lmao
hollow ibex
The fact that go down in the first place is wild
might happens if they ran out of ammo in the first thirty seconds and a knife shouty takes all the ammo
i mean what do you expect a rumblergryn to do withotu ammo?
ogryn without ammo is literally unplayable!
elder fiber
tripping face first over a dozen DR + damage buffs into instant d/c
warm idol
by rumblergryn you mean the one with the free bullets from the bottom right keystone?
faint beacon
BLO melee keystone:
elder fiber
rumbler is the nade launcher that's currently laughably busted rn
faint beacon
Oh also also
warm idol
yeah rumbler is quite good
faint beacon
CS Club with both melee toughness gain talents
warm idol
confident strike is also
faint beacon
Unkillable
warm idol
really funny
severe jolt
i'd assume most people still playing are people doing aurics/havocs
Didn't they have a sale recently? Rogue Trader & Darktide as a bundle with a hefty reduction in price?
elder fiber
its if shredder vet build was gated solely by ammo or getting melee kills for free shots sometimes
arctic rampart
I don't feel like i'm bringing much to the table
you provide voc (as you mentioned), ammunition, and "protect the weak guy" vibes. AAAAND you can use the grenades on the ground. Not like anyone else is gonna use em, throw more shredders yeehaw
elder fiber
yeah I think the basekit adjustment to toughness on heavies just being less for lights was the right call
but now lmao cstrike
faint beacon
its if shredder vet build was gated solely by ammo or getting melee kills for fr...
It’s the fact that Veteran grenadier has to kill elites or specials for a chance
warm idol
you provide voc (as you mentioned), ammunition, and "protect the weak guy" vibes...
so i'm basically relegated to being an ammo whore
faint beacon
Ogryn has to hit like what
hollow ibex
so i'm basically relegated to being an ammo whore
correct
faint beacon
10 chaffe enemies for a freebie
elder fiber
you need 9 kills to guarantee free shot
faint beacon
It’s vile
elder fiber
b/c its 10% chance at base and +10% per stack
arctic rampart
I don't play this game muhc anymore, is it still 2 out of 4 people are vets average in randoms?
faint beacon
Dorn upload
narrow frost
4 ogruyns
faint beacon
I’m gonna stress whenever it’s a super specific thing like that it’s cause he’s in sheer shock how it got through balancing
Lmao
elder fiber
cstrike needs complete gutting/rework and rumbler should be killed but it probably won't b/c steam reviewbomb meta
hollow ibex
I’m gonna stress whenever it’s a super specific thing like that it’s cause he’s ...
What is there to be shocked about lol. The entire psyker tree got through balancing.
As well as the ogryn tree simultaneously
And then also gunker buffs
arctic rampart
They must be looking at play% instead of real balance, I guess
hollow ibex
But dw, this was all offset by nerfing bayonet, crusher and chorus
arctic rampart
Cause psyker and ogryn seem quite strong. Not like vet & zealot are weak though
hollow ibex
signal cypress
But dw, this was all offset by nerfing bayonet, crusher and chorus
Wdym they nerfed crusher?
What did they nerf?
elder fiber
vet unfortunately punches downwards at maelstrom and below v hard
faint beacon
Veteran is the “Weakest” of the 4 in Havoc
elder fiber
(Everybody does I know but remember Vet press shout button, easy class for babies and all)
arctic rampart
not looking so great in terms of #s though
faint beacon
Mainly cause you have to play incredibly specific builds to make Veteran work and be useful for the team
hollow ibex
Wdym they nerfed crusher?
What did they nerf?
Idr the details, I think it was attack speed
grand perch
ded game
faint beacon
not looking so great in terms of #s though
That’s normal
Update day is 10k most
Usual activity is 5-3k
arctic rampart
its because you used the tac axe. if you would use a REAL weapon we'd have 10,000 players
elder fiber
My main beef rn with Vet is just melee options for havoc
grand perch
ded weapon
faint beacon
My main beef rn with Vet is just melee options for havoc
You will use Power Sword
arctic rampart
jk, I like it too. at least the M1 spam version
elder fiber
take psword or ds or take fucking hotshit1 helbore with smth else ig
arctic rampart
I really do like power sword. But I don't play havok, that mode is stupid and unfun
faint beacon
I don’t need block canceling
grand perch
And you will like it
signal cypress
Idr the details, I think it was attack speed
Tragic
faint beacon
7% at IV iirc
And stacked with the others you’re getting like what 20% per swing?
Around there
Still pretty fucking insane
Well that and we also have to take into consideration the mountain of DR talents Ogryn has
tame lodge
And you can proc CS on bulwark shields
supple laurel
drop the build on this, been looking for a good hammer build like this
works best when missing 6 of 7 wounds
faint beacon
And you can proc CS on bulwark shields
I forgot about that
Yeah can we like-
Not have it do that
high token
I really do like power sword. But I don't play havok, that mode is stupid and u...
thats why its so fun
calm shard
I really do like power sword. But I don't play havok, that mode is stupid and u...
havoc has made other modes unfun for me
sad
quick seal
what pin am I looking at
the google doc?
nevermind there's two google docs
I looked through both but i still idk
quick seal
nevermind there's two google docs
nevermind there's three google docs
hollow ibex
Ignore them
quick seal
Hammer of the Emperor guide
Is this relevant to the most recent update? It says that the google doc doesn't get updated but I hope this is still accurate.
I'm not sure what a lot of this means (+0% Crit chance) but I'm sure it's not important because the other two google docs don't mention it.
"Hammer of the emperor" says shred is good for both marks. "melee weapons" says wrath is good for both marks. "Guardman's survivalist guide" says Rampage, Shred, and Savage sweep are good for both marks.
So basically I cross referenced all three, it basically says I should look for a 60% mobility but 80% everything else chainsword with wrath(?) and shred?
quick seal
You can ignore the rest
they gotta be unpinned so as to not waste the next person's time lol
hollow ibex
Yeah prob
quick seal
ok whatever I'm gonna go roll for a 60% mobility roll now. Wish me luck
Any particular reason why mobility is bad on a chainsword?
humble sparrow
H e l m e t
quick seal
ok whatever I'm gonna go roll for a 60% mobility roll now. Wish me luck
Finally
calm shard
And chsword is already sad enough as is
agile forge
Mobility is only ever not the choice of dump stats, if there is another stat that does actually nothing/detriments.
calm shard
still worse than mobility
agile forge
I'd dump mobility over defenses on that one, but in every other case yes
valid steeple
what weapons work best with a build around marksman focus?
agile forge
Vraks Infantry autogun is good with it
I like it on high RoF weapons with strong Finesse modifiers
tame lodge
what weapons work best with a build around marksman focus?
Infantry Autogun
Helbore
Vigilants
agile forge
Probably good on laspistols and infantry lasguns too
agile forge
Revolvers struggle to gain stacks no?
tender sable
Been a really long time since I played Vet, did they make the tac axes any good or is it still just "use power sword or die to Ragers"
calm shard
Revolvers struggle to gain stacks no?
fire head level into a horde
instant max stacks
agile forge
With the Zarona you end up with the full revolver ocelot reload experience though
calm shard
easy game
agile forge
Without WS
tame lodge
Oh yeah Bolter weapons are there on the finesse side
calm shard
what a coincidence MMF makes you reload faster
agile forge
instant max stacks
Oh it applies on cleaves?
tame lodge
Been a really long time since I played Vet, did they make the tac axes any good ...
Tac axes are bad
That being said
CRIT build with with Shred Brutal Momentum or Shred Headtaker or Headtaker Brutal Momentum
Flak Unarmored
Avoid the mk4
Learn the combos
agile forge
Mark 4 is a fake Rashad
tame lodge
Because with a tactical axe you should not be dying to ragers
calm shard
tac axe ruins ragers almost as much as dclaw sword does
so unbelievably easy to kill them
tender sable
It's a shame to hear they're still not great overall, but thanks I appreciate the advice
calm shard
tac axe can be quite good on psyker/zealot
they get better melee crit
and more melee damage in general
tame lodge
Tactical axes heavy/push attack/specials are usually used to stagger ragers
valid steeple
whats the best helbore type+blessings?
calm shard
Mk IV Surgical/Weight of Fire
valid steeple
it would seem it gets the highest single shot damage, but looses the bayonet charge...
calm shard
it would seem it gets the highest single shot damage, but looses the bayonet cha...
yeah the bayonet sucks but also it consistently 2 shots crushers with standard damage talents on the skill tree
so
tame lodge
4 is the heaviest hitter ranged weapon in the game
tame lodge
And mk5 is the fast charge lower damage one
Because it charges fast it doesn't need Weight of Fire
tame lodge
I'm really biased towards the mk4
But it's definitely up to preference
Also the default skin of Mk4 has different iron sights than 3 and 5
sonic kayak
IMO it has the best hit feel of the helbore family, if you get me
valid steeple
the main reason I like the bayonet charge is due to the increased speed it allows if you start running
will do some testing to see what works. Is the bayonet slash/charge good for anything besides 1-shotting dogs?
tame lodge
3 and 5 bayo are able to stagger Ragers
thin minnow
What is the best looking ranged weaponm
tame lodge
I don't remember if 4 bayo is able to stagger Ragers
But it has slightly better cleave and cleave damage distribution
Not that it matters much
Lol
valid steeple
JUST TESTED: does not stagger ragers
so 4 is the anti-tank rifle but looses bayonet QOL, 5 is the DAKKA varient, and 3 is in the middle of the 2?
also stability is the dump stat right?
tame lodge
Yup
Weapon so stable
It is basically immune to suppression
(minimum sway under fire, not actually immune)
And because of surgical+shock trooper it basically has infinite ammo
So ammo is the alternative dump stat
valid steeple
noted! also how does cleave work for the weapon? does it "hit" 3 enemies before disapearing, or is it like 3 meters of punch through before stopping?
hollow ibex
noted! also how does cleave work for the weapon? does it "hit" 3 enemies before ...
cleave is reduced every time it hits an enemy, based on the enemy's hitmass, until there is no cleave. if
valid steeple
Want the short or long version
oh boy, short for now?
hollow ibex
there is still cleave, it will go through
austere mica
oh boy, short for now?
Look up, they got there before me
hollow ibex
i gave the short version
austere mica
There's a bunch of extra factors that can also affect cleave but thats the long version
hollow ibex
yeah feel free to give the long version
quiet valley
Skirmisher propaganda
valid steeple
WHAT DID YOU DO!?!?
valid steeple
camoflage or long range assassin?
hollow ibex
camo
MMF feels like ass without camo
well actually it feels like ass either way
but camo makes it somewhat less ass
valid steeple
noted...
quiet valley
if you didn't take skirmisher, you could've top fragged
Purge staff just too OP
Also still did top dmg
Dmg total was 2mil
hollow ibex
Oh right with boss damage
hollow ibex
Purge staff just too OP
High skill gameplay
valid steeple
on another passive I see mixed opinions on: is deadshot worth it? if so, what weapons benefit the most?
hollow ibex
It’s a meme
calm shard
and only on those 2 if you are literally not investing in the right side of the tree at all
hollow ibex
You use it with low rpm high alpha guns
calm shard
to maximize your ranged damage
quiet valley
Helbore Deadshot is a trap
valid steeple
Helbore Deadshot is a trap
howso?
quiet valley
The RPM is good for deadshot, but you are staying ADS for the charge time so its unsustainable
valid steeple
it looks like it can minimize the amount of time charging up surgical
you can charge a shot then go into ads
quiet valley
I mean I guess, that sounds horrible tbh
calm shard
The RPM is good for deadshot, but you are staying ADS for the charge time so its...
you don't need the full charge time on helbore IV for any enemy that isn't an ogryn
quiet valley
I was typing before you ediited XD
valid steeple
does the amount of ammo used on charge shot scale or is it allways the same?
calm shard
it scales yes
quiet valley
Its better to rely on Surgical if you are taking the slow IV anyway
It scales ammo usage
calm shard
waste of time when I am not using full charges on anything but thick boys
not gonna wait for a crit when I need to shoot something now
quiet valley
It depends, I honestly full charge for 80% of my shots since shit in H40 is so chunky
valid steeple
ok, I know shredder nades are the goto, but wouldnt stance combo well with smokes? toss smoke down to hide yourself from swarms while being able to tunnel vision enemies more easily...
calm shard
it would that's a good point
go make a build with that and you'll find the problem very quick
before entering a match even
tall torrent
on another passive I see mixed opinions on: is deadshot worth it? if so, what we...
No, super niche
Slow fire rate weapons (that don’t require staying in ADS all the time) that hit high damage with high crit bonus
valid steeple
go make a build with that and you'll find the problem very quick
if its visability, wouldnt the highlight effect counter the fog?
calm shard
if its visability, wouldnt the highlight effect counter the fog?
nothing to do with the visibility
hey where did all my skill points go
calm shard
anyways the problems with smoke being blunt in case me trying to be funny with it wasn't clear
it takes a shitload of skill points to take smokes+exe
and means you're guaranteed to be down 1 or 2 of veteran's essential skills
valid steeple
anyways the problems with smoke being blunt in case me trying to be funny with i...
Point understood! and it was funny lol
quick seal
And chsword is already sad enough as is
Yeah ok after using the chainsword, it is fucking awful. Can't deal with armor, bad mobility, bad everything
I thought like, with the chain, you can chew through armor. Nope
slow spade
Yeah ok after using the chainsword, it is fucking awful. Can't deal with armor, ...
And it used to be worse :c
quick seal
I thought like, with the chain, you can chew through armor. Nope
Had such a hard time dealing with scab maulers
slow spade
If it had cleave to be the "hordeclear" chain weapon and Chain Axe being the damage one it'd have a niche
But rip chainsword
calm shard
If it had cleave to be the "hordeclear" chain weapon and Chain Axe being the dam...
chainsword actually has some of the fastest horde clear of any weapon in the game
I think it is actually the fastest
It just cannot kill anything other than horde trash enemies
slow spade
chainsword actually has some of the fastest horde clear of any weapon in the gam...
Ah I experimented with it but I suppose I didn't look hard enough
calm shard
So one rager shows up and it's over
Use the XIIIg
It has the unique quirk of having 0 finesse cleave falloff
(Which means that the bonus damage from a critical hit doesn't get reduced by hitting multiple enemies)
valid steeple
hey where did all my skill points go
still giving it a shot... may be worth going down the middle to buff smoke duration and to save some points. using one of the saved points for shock trooper can counter the lack of ammo regen.
slow spade
It has the *unique* quirk of having 0 finesse cleave falloff
Ah ok
I don't remember which mark I was using sadly
Tbh I wrote it off pretty fast
hollow ibex
Yeah ok after using the chainsword, it is fucking awful. Can't deal with armor, ...
yeah vet has maybe 4 good melee weapons
tall torrent
chainsword actually has some of the fastest horde clear of any weapon in the gam...
not even in the top 5
calm shard
tall torrent
combat axe is faster
power sword is faster
pickaxe is faster
cleaver is faster
shield is faster
relic blade is faster
etc etc
chainsword 10.4s for 50 pox
combat axe 7.5s
power sword 8.4~8.9s
pickaxe 8.7s
10.4s is high but not that high up there and definitely not "best in game"
quiet valley
I wish the Chainsword could swing horizontally
uncut pebble
I wish the Chainsword could swing horizontally
Mk4 heavies swing at a slight angle but are mostly horizontal.
quiet valley
Its an X
deep bone
Is Deadshot worth taking on Veteran
I’m using Vigilant Autogun and Kantreal Infantry LasGun
hollow ibex
Is Deadshot worth taking on Veteran
only for the memes
quiet valley
Is there a way to chain the Horizontal Heavy?
manic badger
What does this actually do? does it purge heat?
faint beacon
I wish the Chainsword could swing horizontally
this is why I've been using Scandar III for Power Sword
shit feels so good cleaving an entire horde and only slicing heads
hollow ibex
this is why I've been using Scandar III for Power Sword
if only it could block cancel...
faint beacon
if only it could block cancel...
I dont need to block cancel, Like you
Ohoho
Shits just too much fun
hollow ibex
Shits just too much fun
grand perch
Deadshot is based best Vet Talent
newbie me used to run deadshot on literally everything cause i assumed it would still give the bonus even at 0 stam
an axe with all or nothing blessing was my best friend
lost frigate
if u run 3 stamina curio stamina regen from tag, headshot markman, or dodge range atk is enough to sustain the stamina
quiet valley
Deadshot stam sustain is ez with Target Down from Focus Target Keystone
lost frigate
or quick swap from weapon specialized after ranged kill
grand perch
im talking release veteran
tame lodge
or quick swap from weapon specialized after ranged kill
That one kinda ruins the flow ngl
grand perch
wasnt no fancy schmancy focus target, duck and dive or anything
there was only deadshot
tame lodge
I'd rather just hold the trigger than swap to get stamina back
lost frigate
yeah the early day i only use DS on hellebore
but during that time executioner stance is goat af
just pop it and walk through horde of shooter like nothing
frank basin
What does this actually do? does it purge heat?
On crits it reduce the heat build up
grand perch
first maelstrom today:
about 10 people coming and leaving throughout whole mission: check
3 people dead within the first 3 minutes: check
bot triggers DH then gets replaced, DH targets teammate who goes down but leaves before he dies so DH targets me: check
having to solo a chaos spawn in an enclosed space while 3 teammates fail to keep arriving mixed horde in check but die slowly enough so i can kill spawn while they quit and get replaced: check
yeah i wasnt gonna skip on ammo pickups for others on this one
stoic thorn
Chat
When I spam fire the bolter in mortis trials with Death Dealer with full WS stacks it should be infinite ammo right?
Because it's not for me
It's free crits but
No ammo refills
dreamy spade
royal pike
gng do you guys have any tips for on overwatch
dry cloak
shout and dont get hit
theres not a lot to it
check #vox-lfg-lexicanum and find a group
dry cloak
also find a taunt ogryn