Cheeks might have too much flesh for it to be nailed properly I guess
#veteran-class
thin minnow
Really hate the colors tho
Would an officer use a rifle?
Or does a pistol fit better?
fair notch
well lads i did it 100% weapon mastery on all 4 classes
severe jolt
Well done. Now do 100% of operative penances on all classes.
grand perch
the ogryn grind awaits
thin minnow
well lads i did it 100% weapon mastery on all 4 classes
Now do 100% uuuh job performance
grand perch
reddit builds be like
faint beacon
reddit builds be like
Not DS or Plasma thus 👎👎👎👎👎👎
fair notch
yea thats not gonna happen as long as i neeed a group to finsih them
umbral scaffold
Does anyone know of a good recon lasgun build?
narrow frost
Not DS or Plasma thus 👎👎👎👎👎👎
Keje and I had a based pub havoc 40 vet
Braced auto
And his build was middle
He did amazing considering
We love you hawkwood
narrow frost
Does anyone know of a good recon lasgun build?
What do you need? Just talent tree?
fair notch
i guess just standard las or you lokkin for recon or hellbore?
narrow frost
I use this
But this falls into the playstyle of more melee focused
I only shoot specials and maybe an elite
thin minnow
No core at all?
thin minnow
Keystone yeah
narrow frost
Vet doesn't really need a keystone
narrow frost
The only ones that you might consider is FT for some ranged breakpoints, and weapon spec for melee attack speed or ranged auto reload
Keystone are only utility on vet, which in most cases is not needed
umbral scaffold
What do you need? Just talent tree?
Both tree and weapons. I’ve been running with the same build since o started with vet and I feel it should kill a bit faster than it does
narrow frost
Both tree and weapons. I’ve been running with the same build since o started wit...
Preference on melee weapons?
lost frigate
dueling blade to deal with big guy
narrow frost
I never will recommend DS to anyone
Creates bad habits and isnt that useful in this build
lost frigate
but knife is great for create space in case u want to keep shooting the horde and decent against 1 target
shovel, maul is fine too
umbral scaffold
Preference on melee weapons?
Not really. I usually use either chain sword or combat knife
narrow frost
Okay if I recommend combat axe?
umbral scaffold
Sure yeah
lost frigate
it work for markman focus headshot horde and with shocktroop talent recon really ammo efficiently
narrow frost
Okay, one sec
lost frigate
but it personal pref anyway
lost frigate
just enjoy what work best for ya
umbral scaffold
I DO love the shovel though. Truly.
umbral scaffold
Nothing more Krieg like than that
lost frigate
not powerful slash as PS but it really mobile
severe jolt
The only ones that you might consider is FT for some ranged breakpoints, and wea...
Focus target gives a 20% damage buff for everyone, which is very useful when dealing with bosses.
severe jolt
at max stacks, that is, if you're not taking the subnode that gives it 8 stacks maximum
lost frigate
just need to adjust a habit not to tagg everything until target is down lol
sharp epoch
ft doesnt give that much value outside bosses
narrow frost
Focus target gives a 20% damage buff for everyone, which is very useful when dea...
Problem with that is the most common gamemodoes (non havoc non auric) you only get 1-2 (up to 3 on certain maps
But I do understand
I take FT for havoc with it's boss rush type of gameplay
narrow frost
I recommend the slowest recon, but if you use the fastest infernus can be swapped for death spitter and it'll increase your boss damage and reapers
severe jolt
I don't play anything below aurics at this point so boss damage is non-optional. Besides, I'm usually tagging just about anything anyway so might as well take the keystone that gives some extra benefit to it.
narrow frost
Boss damage is optional
Bosses aren't dangerous its the problems they create around them
sharp epoch
ws really helps for the non boss moments like getting the guaranteed crits amd the attack speed
umbral scaffold
Thank you. I’ll give it a shot!
severe jolt
Bosses aren't dangerous its the problems they create around them
Yeah but almost anything else is dealt with pretty easily. If you're throwing your frag grenades at a boss they'll probably kill most of the other stuff around it.
umbral scaffold
So sprint efficiency and stam regen?
narrow frost
For curios?
umbral scaffold
No, confused by the phrase mobility dump on caxe!
I thought it meant take sprint chance or something odd. Lol
umbral scaffold
Nope, it’s more like mine, since I’m not familiar with some terms! Lol
narrow frost
Yeah but almost anything else is dealt with pretty easily. If you're throwing yo...
I might be failing to understand your point. I understand what you are saying as "you need boss damage since everything else isn't dangerous". I'm saying bosses only get you killed by causes distractions in a fight, I.E a trapper behind the boss or a crusher behind you
This is non-havoc mindset
Since havoc changes how the game plays
grand perch
unrelated but did you ever notice how if youre trying to clutch the game spawns a chaos spawn in 99.9% of cases? its a scientific fact
umbral scaffold
Have fun
Jesus this is indeed fun. Fuck me i need a zealot build for the combat axe now. Where has it been all my life.
narrow frost
Wait till you try tactical axe
Oh boy
A whole new world will open
I was around 1500 hours in when I 1st discovered it
And 1500 hours later I am still in love
umbral scaffold
I’ve tried a tac axe build! It’s pretty fun, but I like the big ooomph of the combat axe
umbral scaffold
I just like heavy hitting weapons!
narrow frost
I can help with zealot set up
umbral scaffold
Indeed. But I do want to try a good tac axe build one day as well.
narrow frost
Gotta shill here and say there is a zealot guide
If you wanted to try caxe on zealot
umbral scaffold
I will for sure
severe jolt
I might be failing to understand your point. I understand what you are saying as...
most bosses are low priority but the ranged captains, you need to engage them in melee, because if you're gonna let them fire their plasma pistols at you chances are you're gonna end up as worm food
But I suppose you already know that.
thin minnow
Just shoot first
grand perch
Wait till you try tactical axe
severe jolt
Just shoot first
You're new to this game, right? Captains have a voidshield to prevent exactly that.
bold sierra
I played with a vet who used VoC like...14 times in 13 minutes
that's pretty fucking bad, right?
holy hell
bold sierra
If you wanted to try caxe on zealot
I played achlys combat axe on zealot, that shit lowkey BUSSIN, you can kill like 6-7 21st moebian grunts in 1 good swing with thrust and brutal momentum
sharp epoch
I played with a vet who used VoC like...14 times in 13 minutes
if soemones killing all the specials it be like that
bold sierra
if soemones killing all the specials it be like that
Nah he should at least be able to churn at least 2 shouts a minute without his cdr and psyker's team cdr
bro was saving his shouts for himself like most of the game lmao, we getting jumped by 2 LTs and Burgle and he still doesnt shout when his ability bar's full
could've gotten AT LEAST 30 shouts in 13 minutes lol, from how his ability bar was looking
bold sierra
it'd be nice, but I counted in my recording of that game lmao
bro was saving his shouts for the next game
frigid hamlet
I think yhere is mod that can show u the stats of the run
bold sierra
i got scoreboard, but unfortunately it doesnt give abilities used stats
sharp epoch
actually PowerDI does it, but the interface looks bad
bold sierra
actually PowerDI does it, but the interface looks bad
I used PowerDI, but somehow using it was giving me consistent mid-game freezes, disabled it and became good again, unfortunately
interface looks better than scoreboard imo
sharp epoch
Yeah I'm considering getting it, hopefully I don't get freezes
bold sierra
it is so much more detailed than scoreboard
sharp epoch
I just want a scoreboard plugin for blitzes and abillities 😭 🙏
candid wren
When I first made my veteran toon, I swapped out the starting gun as soon as I could. When I hit the mid 20s, I picked up an infantry lasgun and equipped it for some reason... I really like how it feels. Am I significantly weakening my team if I use an infantry lasgun instead of a plasma or recon like most guides suggest?
pseudo fiber
Significantly? No not really
It's hard to pick any weapon in this game that puts your team in a disadvantage
(Outside of high havoc runs)
unreal nova
It's hard to pick any weapon in this game that puts your team in a disadvantage ...
Well, technically picking something you suck horrifically at.
candid wren
I'm a bit a ways away from that. I only just hit 30 😅 I like being a team player and contributing to the best of my abilities to the welfare of the team and achieving objectives, but I'm a big 40k fan and try to live as much as possible by the rule of cool. Lasguns and chainswords are the coolest things in my book.
@pseudo fiber @unreal nova thanks for the reassurance! I'll swap it out for whatever the meta is when I start attacking the havoc runs.
unreal nova
To be fair, anything really goes before high havocs.
High havocs is literally forced meta unless you have so much skill to overwrite that.
Is why it's no fun.
Mortis is the epitome of stupid builds go whee.
Like keystoneless Oggy just to grab everything to do some stupid build.
So yeah, don't need to worry much. Just try everything and you'll find your favs and dislikes.
candid wren
Much appreciated!
candid wren
Is why it's no fun.
What is the most fun about this game in your opinion?
unreal nova
The people I met on the Discord movement combat.
lost frigate
exploring new build i think
trying to make non meta work in unique way is quite fun
severe jolt
to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women
grand perch
I like clicking heads real good
thin minnow
You're new to this game, right? Captains have a voidshield to prevent exactly th...
Shoot more!
severe jolt
Shoot more!
Well that's another thing about that, the damage modifiers are CRUEL. You do 6 times more damage against voidshields with melee than with ranged, so if you're gonna try shooting through them you're gonna be shooting all day.
latent pelican
Whats peoples opinion on the tac axe? I hated it when i first started playing but have been having a whole lot of fun with it recently
Only thing ive found it kinda suffers with is large hordes and getting surrounded
grand perch
Tac axe has enough mobility that you should be able to avoid getting surrounded with practice. You also have decent horde clear with push attack plus heavy attack Combo
On mk7 that is
What you can only alleviate with heavy point investment is the weakness against armor and bosses
severe jolt
I think this guy might be slightly biased towards the tac axe
fair notch
Only thing ive found it kinda suffers with is large hordes and getting surrounde...
good thing about axes is they teach you how to dodge and weave and be more mindful of your placement
latent pelican
What you can only alleviate with heavy point investment is the weakness against ...
Idr which mark im using but i invested heavily on the axe into its crit chance and it puts down alot of the big stuff pretty quick
Speaking of mobility tho, i feel fast but theres some guys on there who are speed freaks, iirc my tac axe has 80 mobility but i still fall behind a lot, how do i fix that?
latent pelican
good thing about axes is they teach you how to dodge and weave and be more mindf...
It is a lot of fun when all the dodges go my way while using it
fair notch
not every weapon is the best weapon for every build. some just synergize better. i ran threw all the axes for mastery and i found i just played closer to my team. your not the horde chearer your the specialist killer
lost frigate
Taxe feel like least finger sore v
Of knife
It great for getting out sticky situations before getting surrounded
latent pelican
not every weapon is the best weapon for every build. some just synergize better....
Ye i been running stealth, plas and frags which work great together.
Letting bulwarks and such ignore me while i beat em up from behind
grand perch
Speaking of mobility tho, i feel fast but theres some guys on there who are spee...
Taxe has surprisingly mediocre sprint speed, on par with combat axes. I usually pull out my pistol to run faster
latent pelican
I think this guy might be slightly biased towards the tac axe
Cant believe it took me this long to realise. You might be right
mossy monolith
is there a good build that used bolt pistol
rn i found this one is this good enough https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e6bf47c-87cf-42a3-8a4c-c0679bd218d5/the-grenade-veteran-havoc-40-build-ps-bp
shut orbit
How does a braced autogun build look? Do you brother with onslaught or rending strikes?
severe jolt
is there a good build that used bolt pistol
rn i found this one is this good eno...
That's actually kinda bad because you don't need an extra grenade when you're taking the grenade replenishment talents, instead you could get Precision Strikes for a whopping 30% extra weak spot damage.
latent pelican
is there a good build that used bolt pistol
rn i found this one is this good eno...
Idk about a full build, but having weapon specialist wit bp is fun af
severe jolt
Come to think of it, there's no need to ever have more than 3 frag grenades at a time, since they apply 6 stacks of bleed and the limit is 16.
mossy monolith
mossy monolith
That's actually kinda bad because you don't need an extra grenade when you're ta...
so aside from that part, would the build work or would i have to change a lot more for it
mossy monolith
Idk about a full build, but having weapon specialist wit bp is fun af
WS is pretty fun
severe jolt
so aside from that part, would the build work or would i have to change a lot mo...
It would work, I wouldn't bother spending 2 points to take Grenade Tinkerer, and I wouldn't take Twinned Blast, but it's a working build. Good enough for Aurics even.
latent pelican
Is tinkerer not worth having with frags?
Or is it just cause it takes 2 points to get
severe jolt
Some Havoc sweatlord might correct me on this but no it's really not, and yes, it's because it takes 2 points to get if you're taking frags.
mossy monolith
20% chane of throwing a extra nade is something, but i can see the other side that in havoc you don't want luck, you need something rn
so where should i put the extra point if im not going with grenadier and twint
i might keep the tinker tho, i love to have a stupidly big nade explosion
latent pelican
Some Havoc sweatlord might correct me on this but no it's really not, and yes, i...
Hmmm, might have a gander at my build then, cause i run them together, it doesnt seem to help all that much imo, especially cause it only improves the range
severe jolt
Since the build already has the grenade replenishment talents, you could save a whole 4 points by skipping grenade tinkerer and the extra grenade talent. You could get reciprocity(+crit chance on dodge, on the right hand side of the tree) and precision strikes instead
normal bay
Feels like a lot of points specced into grenades, when you could have something more rounded like this...
mossy monolith
thats what im here for, to try out new builds, it gets a bit tireding using plasma gun for a while
i want to try grenadier veteran
normal bay
You still have most of the capabilities with those grenades. How much are the extra grenade and tinkerer gaining you for the point investment?
normal bay
Mine isn't some super optimal build where I've analysed breakpoints btw, just an example
mossy monolith
still need to find a good curio combo and perk combo
rn im using double 17 with 3 stamina
thats what where the fun begin, i can give it a try
severe jolt
Feels like a lot of points specced into grenades, when you could have something ...
What in the Sam Hell and conniption are you doing, taking the right hand side of the top most talents? You're giving up on a ton of toughness DR and replenishment, and all you're really getting is SWAP SPEED? For a bolt pistol build that's completely pointless since it already has gucci swap speed.
normal bay
O4B works really well with grenades (and in general) Swap speeds fairly redundant though, I agree
severe jolt
You gotta remember to build for the weapon you're using. With pistols things like reload speed and swap speed are a non-issue.
latent pelican
What in the Sam Hell and conniption are you doing, taking the right hand side of...
normal bay
Builds ruined guys, I'll uninstall darktide 
latent pelican
normal bay
(Or you could swap talents around)
latent pelican
I hate that gotta start a new tree or delete everything after the talent u wanna change
normal bay
It's painful
severe jolt
Isn't there a mod that lets you have more than 5 builds?
severe jolt
Don't tell me you're a consolepeasant
severe lark
Hello
normal bay
Don't tell me you're a consolepeasant
This may shock you but lots of people play darktide on console 
severe lark
Im one of them and is a little shitty compared to the PC darktide with his mods
latent pelican
Isn't there a mod that lets you have more than 5 builds?
Xbox pleb i am
severe jolt
I'm sending thoughts and prayers
grand perch
What in the Sam Hell and conniption are you doing, taking the right hand side of...
You have strong opinions for someone who doesn't know how good right side top is
I guess that's the spirit of vitriol
tame lodge
Bro's not out for blood
grand perch
latent pelican
so
when trying to get a powersword with low cleave target, i got this peak
Tried using the power sword last night with basically these stats and got my ass handed to me
mossy monolith
normal bay
Power sword benefits from learning animation cancels and combos for elites
latent pelican
<:ogryn_pathetic:1083359691742122014>
mossy monolith
<:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
latent pelican
Power sword benefits from learning animation cancels and combos for elites
Having to reup the sword every few swings for it to do something other than tickle everything was incredibly annoying
grand perch
Boy is it, with psword you're paying in mobility and getting annoyed for its power
uncut pebble
Yet another example of relic blade superiority. (please fatshark just give psword the relic blade heat system I fucking beg you)
grand perch
Yet another example of relic blade superiority. (please fatshark just give pswor...
Inga inga
normal bay
Having to reup the sword every few swings for it to do something other than tick...
That's my issue with PS. I'm not wearing out my R3
latent pelican
Yet another example of relic blade superiority. (please fatshark just give pswor...
FOR REAL
Ik we r rejects but giving us a discount powersword is just messed up
normal bay
Ogryn with a metal pipe with some bits glued to it 
severe jolt
I guess that's the spirit of vitriol
I picked that name for a reason. Do you know what "spirit of vitriol" is? It's sulfuric acid. A caustic compound that corrodes just about anything it comes in contact with.
pseudo fiber
Our weapons are probably broken shit thougb
latent pelican
Ogryn with a metal pipe with some bits glued to it <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244...
Ogryn needs a big piece of metal with a sticker saying "sword" on it
I will have my real demogryn
devout wedge
How viable is the max grenade and grenade spawn veteran? Since you have several passive that does things with grenades. Like grenade every few minute. Grenades from ammo crate, chance to throw two. Grenade capacity. And i think grenade on elite/specialist kill?
And i see there was a discussion more above of me. But it still stands.
latent pelican
I think what we came to is the passives can be kind of redundant altogether
tame lodge
How viable is the max grenade and grenade spawn veteran? Since you have several ...
Very
Specially frags
Still lots of gambling though
devout wedge
I see. Thanks. I wanna try it out on auric one day. When i am 30 and have better stuff. But i enjoy lobbing krak's into mobs and elites.
calm shard
How viable is the max grenade and grenade spawn veteran? Since you have several ...
very good
basically worthless with kraks and smokes tho
devout wedge
Oh.
calm shard
kraks are just worthless in general, and smokes already last 30 seconds with tinkerer so you don't really ever need to spam them
devout wedge
Thought Krak's better because of carapace and so elites
calm shard
no not really
Kraks are vastly outpaced by even mid tier melee weapons in terms of elite/carapace damage
They only see value against Bulwarks and very thick elite hordes
And even then Shredders do good into those very same elite hordes too
Like Kraks one shot crushers and stagger things around them which is distinctly a good thing
but the Power Sword 2 shots them, Combat Axe 3 shots them, Dueling Sword can one shot them I think, Knife can 3 shot them, Chain Axe can 2 or 3 shot them can't remember off the top of my head
Helbore can 2 shot them consistently, Bolter kills them in 3-5 shots depending on build, plasma is a 3 shot
I think Bolt Pistol can also 1 or 2 shot them
They do far worse damage than it seems like they do
Largely because of their extremely slow fuse
elder fiber
I'm so glad goo is back in havoc rotation, fighting at full corruption b/c of people constantly mashing on infinite cleaveshit owns
elder fiber
not being sarcastic tbc, I do in fact love tha goo
need orange goo mobian 21st in my life so badly rn
grand perch
Nothing creates suspense like being corrupted to one HP
elder fiber
its suddenly very freeing to be surrounded by goo guys and huffing pox gas at 1hp, simply don't get hit
latent pelican
Anyone have any idea when the savlar chem dogs stuff came out last
I been waiting for them to come around since i found out they existed
elder fiber
idk I think it was some half-assed tie in a year or so ago
there's also black leather recolor slop iirc
latent pelican
I really just want the coat
I saw that the vet mask only covered like half the top of his head for some reason
pseudo fiber
Anyone have any idea when the savlar chem dogs stuff came out last
Once October 2023 for 2 hours.
Then April 2024 for 6 weeks. Then again I wanna say November 2024.
Best to ask in driptide maybe Krismor knows
latent pelican
Bet, appreciate you
balmy flume
I just want some Boltgun skins to reappear on the rotation..
pearl mason
I just want a dang tempestus scion skin. Come on Fat Shark take my money!
candid wren
I just want a dang tempestus scion skin. Come on Fat Shark take my money!
Yes plz. Or the third edition storm trooper look. I love those figurines.
balmy flume
There is the Scion helmet, only missing...the entire body armor lol
candid wren
The carapace armor on current Kasrkins would also be acceptable. Please let me give you more money, Fat Shark 😦
pearl mason
The scion blends with the dropship trooper body and legs.
But I want my chunky carapace armor!
unreal nova
I'm still annoyed the H 50 assists helm has neck line on all the penance stuff.
tame lodge
Welcome to vet cosmetics
Ḯ̵͚ṯ̷͊ ̵̉͝č̷̯l̶͂̓i̴͆̓p̷͌̽ś̵͖ ̶̉͝w̷̩͋i̵͂̈t̷h e̵̒verything
pseudo fiber
There is the Scion helmet, only missing...the entire body armor lol
Well there is body armour
It's just not finished
Also doesn't have gloves
heavy rover
Copium for Vitrian dragoons is what keeps me going
slow spade
Janissary armour would be baller af too
sadly there's a dispute between the creators and GW so I doubt it'll be added ever :c
latent pelican
sadly there's a dispute between the creators and GW so I doubt it'll be added ev...
Awww what
What they arguing about?
latent pelican
Copium for Vitrian dragoons is what keeps me going
That scale mail is gonna have em near the bottom of the list
slow spade
given that the Janissaries aren't from GW, I presume GW fucked them over though
unreal nova
Welcome to vet cosmetics
Ḯ̵͚ṯ̷͊ ̵̉͝č̷̯l̶͂̓i̴͆̓p̷͌̽ś̵͖ ̶̉͝w̷̩͋i̵͂̈t̷h e̵̒ver...
Less clip, more neck gap.
midnight totem
buff krak grenades
hollow ibex
Instructions unclear, we’re buffing gunker again - fatshart prob
devout wedge
no not really
Well, i thank you good sir. This is very detailed. And perfect explained.
tall torrent
The carapace armor on current Kasrkins would also be acceptable. Please let me g...
kasrkin heavy armor clips with every headgear ever
swift jolt
Out of pure DPS, which Mark of the Recon Lasgun is the best?
swift jolt
yeah and I just learned you can change marks/patterns, like, yesterday lmao
all the patterns are confusing when you get into them
hollow ibex
Out of pure DPS, which Mark of the Recon Lasgun is the best?
VI and XII
slow spade
recon benefits from rending though
so getting rending strikes from the middle path is a good idea
hollow ibex
Onslaught is just a different way of spelling noob trap
mortal horizon
anyone got a good smoke grenade build for havoc? trying to figure out the points and always missing something from the normal build. Do you have to drop survivalist?
orchid hemlock
anyone got a good smoke grenade build for havoc? trying to figure out the points...
Idk
cyan ember
@hollow ibex if you are using it for crushers, sure. But it gives easy brittleness for bosses and increases the whole teams DPS.
mortal horizon
i was hoping to be able to grab WS or focus target, but i guess a keystoneless one would work
orchid hemlock
i was hoping to be able to grab WS or focus target, but i guess a keystoneless o...
U have 3 points left
U can also drop a couple
mortal horizon
is crit chance even high enough to warrent running shock trooper
orchid hemlock
<@195316712143323137> if you are using it for crushers, sure. But it gives easy ...
Crushers are the only use case for onslaught
Bosses maybe, but many other classes can set up brittle as well for bosses
orchid hemlock
is crit chance even high enough to warrent running shock trooper
For recon, always
Even Laspistol
Just take reciprocity
Or infantry las gun
mortal horizon
i typically use plasma or recon, but was also planning on trying out some other stuff
if im using plasma with this just drop shock trooper i guess
orchid hemlock
Don't take shock with plasma
mortal horizon
but you cant grab reciprocity if you want keystone with this
orchid hemlock
I'm just giving a quick example
orchid hemlock
agile engagement not worth?
Yes it's very strong but you are running out of points
Agile is good with WS builds
This is what I do for recon in havoc
tropic notch
@tall torrent for vet what perks do you run on the heavy sword?
orchid hemlock
Smoke requires a lot of investment unfortunately
tropic notch
Thinking about taking the hsword into havoc
mortal horizon
This is what I do for recon in havoc
this is basically what i typcially run, but been hearing smokes are good at 40 so was trying to make something similar work with smokes
orchid hemlock
this is basically what i typcially run, but been hearing smokes are good at 40 s...
For smokes I would run ILG
thanks to headhunter and Ghost you don't need to invest heavily into it for things like crit rate
tropic notch
Or maybe I’ll be stuck with my stupid power sword chud life
mortal horizon
ILG? sorry
orchid hemlock
Infantry Las Gun
orchid hemlock
I'm also thinking about taking krak, if you already have another vet taking survivalist
mortal horizon
feel like i would prefer ahelbore lol
orchid hemlock
The best thing to do with smoke is to have another vet take frags and survivalist
tame lodge
its actually viable in havoc of all things?
Lasweapons are viable on havoc
Although the elites have lots of health at some point
And your ammo pickups are debuffed so you're not swimming on ammo spawned through the map
mortal horizon
I came up with this for smokes, plasma + powersword.
Could drop the stam regen and run knife/DS and get an extra point for 10% attack speed
orchid hemlock
feel like i would prefer ahelbore lol
ILG has ghost, it is viable
hollow ibex
<@195316712143323137> if you are using it for crushers, sure. But it gives easy ...
You’re spending 2-3 points for a talent that only meaningfully helps against one enemy. What a bargain.
orchid hemlock
I came up with this for smokes, plasma + powersword.
Could drop the stam regen ...
Plasma also wants to take Always prepared in Havoc
cyan ember
Personally I really like the stam delay reduction above it and the stam regen above that.
orchid hemlock
Survivalist is not enough to keep it topped off
mortal horizon
Plasma also wants to take Always prepared in Havoc
I play without it all the time on my shredder build /shrug, just animation cancel
its nice but i dont find necessary
orchid hemlock
This plus power sword is pretty nasty
mortal horizon
This plus power sword is pretty nasty
ya, close, this is how i usually run power sword + plasma
some of the guys i play with like field improv and ask for it
so i usually slot it for high havoc
and i find the extra stamina regen delay helpful for powersword
hollow ibex
Personally I really like the stam delay reduction above it and the stam regen ab...
Even if the pathing wasn’t ass, it’d still be a mid talent. Use case is just too narrow atm.
hollow ibex
so i usually slot it for high havoc
and i find the extra stamina regen delay hel...
They really need to fix vet stamina economy lol
It’s such a fucking joke
mortal horizon
This plus power sword is pretty nasty
do you find Kill Zone worth it? i dont usually take it
cyan ember
Vet stam economy is good if you build for it. It just doesn't fit on most builds.
Both stam regen delays give you payker
hollow ibex
Vet stam economy is good if you build for it. It just doesn't fit on most builds...
Yeah I mean no other class has to build for a semi usable stam economy
On the second most heavily taxed tree in the game
mortal horizon
Also, on plasma in havoc, you guys still running Flak + Unarmoured?
cyan ember
I think I run carapace unarmored in havoc. Should still get one shots on flak gunners.
mortal horizon
i just dont dump ammo into carapace often unless emergency
thats what powersword/ds is for imo
ammo economy is rough in havoc
cyan ember
Probably go unyielding then. Mostly for reapers. I would have to check how it affects breakpoints though.
tropic notch
I came up with this for smokes, plasma + powersword.
Could drop the stam regen ...
If I’m using the power sword I gotta have weapons specialist
mortal horizon
i saw you taking, or someone, taking Killzone before - dmg buff on not taking melee hit.
Is it important? Without it could take stamina regen and always prepared
ive never taken it anyway, but dunno if im missing out on important dmg / breakpoints in havoc
mortal horizon
instead of always prepared? bc i feel i need the stam regen node, so i gotta choose between it and always prepared
i often drop always prepared but
recognize its good especially with PS when you dont have mobility
and can kill to reload
swift jolt
I’ve been using the Sapper Shovel Mark I for as long as I can remember, are Marks VII or III any good with their ‘switch mode’ options
faint beacon
No
tame lodge
I’ve been using the Sapper Shovel Mark I for as long as I can remember, are Mark...
7 is ok
3 is basically anti armor but sucks at everything else
faint beacon
Aka no
swift jolt
I hear this
however the mode switch is funny when I tried it out in Psykhanium so I’ll try it out in a regular match with it now
high token
Still lots of gambling though
thats the fun part no?
blazing jetty
I kinda like the Mk 7 shovel
It's easy to use
The Mk 3's attack pattern is too wonky
magic trout
Out for blood perk work on ranged kills?
magic trout
Thanks
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> for vet what perks do you run on the heavy sword?
Flak
Maniac or elite
tall torrent
<@195316712143323137> if you are using it for crushers, sure. But it gives easy ...
“Brittleness for team” is nowhere as good as most people think because brittleness’s inherent application depends on how much an attack sucks against an armor type
tall torrent
it's free 15% ranged damage if you're good at the game
Killzone is mid at best
Same code as CaB but 8s CD instead of 5s
calm shard
15% damage gives me life though
tall torrent
*15% damage gives me life though*
Only ranged damage and finicky uptime against high melee pressure
calm shard
Like I would ever get hit in melee
faint beacon
You're going too
its almost inevitable you'll get tagged by a Bruiser or Groaner tracking you through a wall and you didn't hear the warning
calm shard
lost frigate
does killzone give your bonus if u dodge a melee tho?
hollow ibex
does killzone give your bonus if u dodge a melee tho?
Yeah. But if you block an attack you lose the bonus
quiet valley
Just run 9 stam and push mfs before they hit you
tame lodge
Hold on a second
Are you telling me
That I can't parry
Because it'll turn off Killzone
quiet valley
ya
tame lodge
unreal nova
Because it'll turn off Killzone
No blocks for you or no CaB or KZ.
tame lodge
tame lodge
Atleast it’s somewhat usable
lost frigate
How cleave work on range atk?
I heard hotshot is bugged and affects hellebore range atk too
hollow ibex
Hotshot is supposed to affect ranged attacks lol
The bug is that it affects your melee too
lost frigate
so it make projectile pierce more?
hollow ibex
Yes
quiet valley
H40 lmao
hollow ibex
rest in ripperonis to that captain
light veldt
Can someone send me the grenade veteran build?
light veldt
the grenade veteran build?
Grenade vet
light veldt
Thx
tall warren
I haven't played veteran since the update, what's the best melee weapon for it now?
hollow ibex
Knife 3
charred kraken
quiet valley
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/in...
infil user 💀
hollow ibex
infil user 💀
thanks
lucid crest
anybody care for a tontine?
slow spade
Power Sword 6
Rashad Combat Axe
Knife 6
I LOVE POWER SWORD
red robin
Ngl
I’m a mk1 shovel enjoyer
Shovel puts me back to using the frying pan in l4d2
Good ol thwack
austere mica
(its also better for what its good at)
red robin
Making clunky sounds on heavy attacks
hollow ibex
shovel buff when
though realistically most of vet's kit needs buffs or reworks
i'm sure fatshart will find some time to make sure assail/sg/dd get buffed again tho b
red robin
Idk what they could put on shovel
hollow ibex
they could make it actually good at horde clear
good cleave damage distribution
higher cleave
faster push attack on the mk1
hollow ibex
yeah it's good, but it can be a struggle with vet stam economy, which i would like to see unfucked
vet stam economy being on par with weimar republic's economy in the 1920s
red robin
1 sec stamina delay and 1 stamina regen btw
The point tax to lower the delay is saddening to see
supple laurel
H40 lmao
this is proof that with the right build every class is just unbalanced as fuck
slow spade
Clearly vet should get both stam delay nodes 😎
supple laurel
we love oneshotting bosses in havochttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342021392685596736/1369320639827021855/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.05.06_-09.20.08.02.DVR-_Trim.mp4?ex=681cc039&is=681b6eb9&hm=123eecfc9edf1ff8ae2393515aa2d760aca34333bbea66e47712e120a44ec53d&
steep pier
I do just fine with vet with helbore
hollow ibex
you can still topfrag with vet in any gamemode
it's just waaaay waaaay waaaay fucking easier to do it as one of the broken classes (ogryn/psyker)
and waaaay waaaay fucking easier to do it as a class that aged better (zealot)
faint beacon
Zealot has easier ways of obtaining insane Damage numbers mainly through Fury and their talents like Duelist, yes Veteran has Static talents but I'd say the real thing that bloats Veteran's numbers in the Blitz spam you can do
Outside of Exec Bolter and Fuck FT Plasma?
Rest is genuine skill on the players part when it comes to outside of those weapons ranged wise
quiet valley
this is proof that with the right build every class is just unbalanced as fuck
Vet is still trash in Havoc im wet paper with Exec stance but its worth for funny numbers
faint beacon
Vet is still trash in Havoc im wet paper with Exec stance but its worth for funn...
I feel like you're able to make it "work" if you strictly pair it with CaB seeing you really dont have a reliable way to passively generate Toughness outside of in Melee when being shot at
though this is a scenario of gunner spam
Why I've been pairing Camo + Tunnel together
shockingly does wonders on exec builds
faint beacon
Fatshark...
I beg of you
fucking rework my favorite keystone...
I love the concept of being rewarded hitting heads but holy shit
walk 2 feet
10 stacks magically vanish
quiet valley
Yeah why does DD have better stack decay
faint beacon
The Obese Fish likes their favorite child more unfortunately
All seriousness yes the Weakspot hit and kill helps not make them decay instantly
but its seriously not enough
rarely in fucking AURICS
do I ever have 10 stacks for more than 5 seconds
usually immediately drops down to like 3 or 6 and then goes up or down from there
Im honestly one for making it to where if you hit heads you gain stacks if you miss weakspots you lose but they'll most likely not do that
faint beacon
Holy shit you reminded me about that
I'll give them this
yes thats moderately rare to tag a Monster/Captain as a DD target
but like
you strike not even gold like, you strike fucking pure diamond
if you get that
faint beacon
You're kidding
quiet valley
ikrr
faint beacon
You're telling me
quiet valley
ask pskyer chat
faint beacon
they just have to HIT A BOSS
and they get stacks
if thats so Im beyond fucking jealous
Honestly in a perfect world I'd prefer MMF to reward just weakspot in general on Melee and Ranged but the melee bonus be a subnode you have to invest into
but I think they'll keep it as a ranged only Keystone
grand perch
MMF rework coming 2027
lost frigate
marman focus work well with rapid shooting gun seems funny tome
more like spray and pray focus
grand perch
rapid shooting guns that have at least decent finesse, yeah
lost frigate
for me it work best on laspistol and recon las
grand perch
ive always argued recon doesnt profit from it enough
cause its like 1.3 finesse modifier which is shit. so you get 75% of a 30% bonus in perfect conditions. wowsies
lost frigate
and decent on autogun if my team doesn't ammo hungry
it really turn autogun into crusher melter
but autogun ammo eco is worse than las
warm kettle
vigi autoguns are fun
lost frigate
damn i wish fs reduce scavenger cd to 3 sec
5 sec is a bit too long
and no more 40% more ammo passive made me sad
hollow ibex
The Obese Fish likes their favorite child more unfortunately
don't worry. i'm sure they'll find some way to work in more gunker buffs next patch.
lost frigate
how long usually Fs release a big patch after previous one?
hollow ibex
several months
lost frigate
i just return during ogryn got rework
supple laurel
Vet is still trash in Havoc im wet paper with Exec stance but its worth for funn...
VOC still helps in a pinch tbf
gold toughness my beloved
lost frigate
yeah voc is goat
excutioner stance work well on steel train mission where rushing is essential and gunner horde line up for u
faint beacon
dont sleep on vigi autoguns with it
Agri 9 with it is pretty fucking insane for a more Mobile Sharpshooter playstyle
Especially if you're pairing Camo for passive and Tunnel for banking on increasing your Stamina gain and Overall toughness gain
Its either that or FT with Target Down! for something a bit more reliable to lean on with your Agri 9
orchid hemlock
not my beloved pookie Agri 9...
dry cloak
not my beloved pookie Agri 9...
columnus 3 my beloved
sharp epoch
Vet is still trash in Havoc im wet paper with Exec stance but its worth for funn...
Vets ok, they don't got the consistent infinite cleave like zealots and psyker, but they do special and ranged elite kills well even though heavy stubber/ GG ogryn can do that role just as well
sharp epoch
frags are their source of infinite cleave, but 2 frags doesn't do as much damage as just a mag of flamer
austere mica
I was talking about Manstopper I entirely forgot about frags
sharp epoch
Ehh shotties I would not consider consistent, they have really bad ammo eco and manstopper alone is pretty bad with the damage dropoff on shotguns
sharp epoch
Inside havoc DB is okay, but it mainly functions as a way to proc WS and agile engagement for melee
austere mica
It’s good for 20 kill scatters every 3 melee kills
Almost like voidstrike except zero carapace damage and not spammable
sharp epoch
It just has like clear weaknesses, you can't kill ranged specialist/elites that well, and yeah armor
You kinda need your team to pick up the slack for the ranged threats
austere mica
Oh you can absolutely kill specialists with dbarrel
sharp epoch
you can but its a pain
sharp epoch
I usually run PS and use smokes to force them into melee
austere mica
And if shootouts are an issue you’re running smokes anyway
austere mica
I usually run PS and use smokes to force them into melee
Ps is eepy and lame and has a ton of role crossover with dbarrel
Defeats the point in my opinion
sharp epoch
I think it covers the weaknesses like armor
and yeah I use it to just proc WS and agile engagement mostly
sharp epoch
It's just armor/bosses are spammed so much knife doesn't kill them all to well
faint beacon
As overpowered PS is, it does teach you a good habit of managing pushing and dodges way better vs like Rashad/Knife where you can kinda just spam Dodge and live 90% of encounters
sharp epoch
And is a poor pick for swapping
I found this, it does pretty well on h40
austere mica
As overpowered PS is, it does teach you a good habit of managing pushing and dod...
That would matter if I hadn’t already learned that
junior grail
Question
Does Inf Autogun benefit from Marksman Focus?
grand perch
Yes
junior grail
Hmmm gonna try and build around it
calm shard
Question
Does Inf Autogun benefit from Marksman Focus?
one of the highest finesse values of any gun in the game
so very yes
MMF with Vraks in particular is funny because it one shot headshots gunners
grand perch
The things having a decent finesse modifier does to a gun
thin minnow
What does finesse even do
sharp epoch
What does finesse even do
Increases weakspot and crit damage
thin minnow
Ah
junior grail
MMF with Vraks in particular is funny because it one shot headshots gunners
What about the other Marks of Inf Auto?
calm shard
Agri has better range and damage
Columnus is awkward middle child that excels at nothing
and has the shortcomings of both
junior grail
Pffft poor Columnus
calm shard
Vraks has I think the highest DPS of any gun in the game outside of like the Bolter
Or damn close to the highest
And with high enough finesse it kills literally every health type, does excellent boss damage
junior grail
I'm a little tired of Vraks ngl haha
calm shard
Genuinely a laserbeam that you point at anything and it dies
Yeah Agri is good too
I prefer it over Vraks for its longer range and less excessive recoil
junior grail
Okie dokes thanks will give it a go
balmy flume
Does Agri still have the punch through (I.e. a bullet hits multiple targets?)
I found it really helpful for brute forcing bullets through a horde
At that ONE hidden ass Trapper
cinder token
new vet costume from the commodore shop doesn't look very vet to me
it would look better on a zealot
it's actually frustrating when classes have no visual identity and you can't easily identify it in the heat of the moment when you're surrounded by enemies
sharp epoch
just reruns
also zealot has a lot of cosmetics that look like vet with flak armor and the guardsman helmets
balmy flume
looks at rotation
No Boltgun skin.
I sleep.
balmy flume
it would look better on a zealot
I mean, lorewise at least they try to explain it as a Ministorum related militia, so the garb will look zealot-y
bold sierra
More H40 Executioner Stance + Bolter w/ MkIII Power sword. 2nd highest dmg and boss dmg, only 100k dmg below psyker with inferno staff says a lot
umbral scaffold
So if you run a helbore build and take the ammo talent, would the dump stat be ammo or am I missing something?
pseudo fiber
Stability
balmy flume
Ammo talent is a chance to spend no ammo (it still does drain when you do not Crit)
So ammo is still a stat worthy to max out.
umbral scaffold
Was exploring options for builds in the future, so I've not run it yet personally. Will dig around to see what I can find in the shop.
Much appreciated on the input.
bold sierra
Was exploring options for builds in the future, so I've not run it yet personall...
here's a helbore build that I run in Havoc 40 if you want to look through, for consideration's sake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t641hO9Z-DQ&pp=0gcJCYUJAYcqIYzv
it serves very well
tame lodge
Does Agri still have the punch through (I.e. a bullet hits multiple targets?)
Agri Iag has 2.1 cleave
So yeah punch through most stuff
Can even go higher with Deathspitter
bold sierra
sadly it's kinda gimped in H40 😦
i tested deathspitter on it, dont think it helps with the cleaving multiple chaffs in H40 tho
tame lodge
It doesn't
With 5 stacks you get ~2.7 cleave
Groaners and Poxwalkers have 4 or more mass
bold sierra
yeah, sadly
I do hope they'll eventually buff colum and agri iag up a bit, at least more dmg
tame lodge
I think bruisers don't have their mass changed, unless I missed some info, so you'd be able to shoot through Dreg Bruiser (2.5 mass)
bold sierra
I think bruisers don't have their mass changed, unless I missed some info, so yo...
wowie, at least there's taht lmao
quiet valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjlfFuiT6e4 full game
No Marksman or Deadshot whaaaa
void gyro
they should just buff vet by giving us two extra skill points 🙂
limber frost
Man sititng on the character creator for right now just expirimenting with the character backstory, and it irks me that you can originate from a schhola progenia, but also end up as a hive ganger. Like there ain’t no dropouts, you’re ass is cooked if you so much as stutter.
Like the only route that makes sense would be Progenia > Comfort through Discipline > Storm/Decorated/Elite Formation
bold trench
^ iirc none of that background stuff even matters for voicelines?
orchid hemlock
Like the only route that makes sense would be Progenia > Comfort through Discipl...
The only Warhammer backstory that makes sense is the one where you die
limber frost
^ iirc none of that background stuff even matters for voicelines?
Nah, just wanted to see the end result paragraphs at the end.
But like, the Progenia one is always what annoys me. Because there’s no way you’d get taken into it and then just turn into a hive ganger or go into debt.
From a thematic view everything pans out to your character getting recruited into the guard. Which is nice. But depending on the first two choices, it completely throws away any sense of connection. Like your character somehow lived two completely seperate lives instead of a singular coherent timeline.
calm shard
why do you not already have precision strikes
drop the extra grenade since kraks are worthless, grab precision strikes, the extra ammo, and superiority complex with the free points
bold sierra
MAN
the only realy why I dont run headhunter autoguns as much is because FS gave the stock bashing special attack on the guns that have flimsy af wireframe stocks
at least the brown one doesnt but MAN
sleek garden
the only realy why I dont run headhunter autoguns as much is because FS gave the...
It does look goofy but the stock bash is actually massive stagger for some reason
I've knocked over crushers by bashing them in the head
sleek garden
It is kinda weird
You'd think it would be on the infantry autos
But I like bonking a rager on the head and then barrel stuffing his mouth while he's on the floor
bold sierra
give it the braced autogun melee special aniamtion and I'm happy
sleek garden
give it the braced autogun melee special aniamtion and I'm happy
just charge the bash
You can charge it and chain a heavy bash over and over
balmy flume
You know what a stronger bash should be?
The Boltgun.
It is a massive hunk of a gun after all…
bold sierra
just charge the bash
i know how to do it, but hitting enemies with the butt of a WIREFRAME stock is goofy af xD
sleek garden
It is a massive hunk of a gun after all…
You whack them with the magazine it's a wonder all the bolts don't explode at all
balmy flume
You whack them with the magazine it's a wonder all the bolts don't explode at al...
Now that you mention it.
I do wonder if Bolt Shells can/have been used as improvised thrown explosives by some desperate Guardsmen/criminals/gangers at some point…
(Be it the shell unmodified, or they somehow know how to “cook” one without killing themselves…)
orchid hemlock
What’s the best option for this last point?
What weapons are this for
Bruh why do people ask for advice and then leave
red robin
It’s so over
south thistle
What weapons are this for
Dagger and plasma/bolter/revolver
formal ice
Bruh why do people ask for advice and then leave
Orcka why do you take so long to respond
red robin
Dagger and plasma/bolter/revolver
Always ready
Also reciprocity instead of close quarters killer might have more mileage
And take 25 toughness instead of exploit weakness might have more mileage
But if you want to use exploit weakness, reciprocity will make exploit weakness proc better
But combat knife kinda makes the 20% brittleness from exploit weakness a bit redundant as the knife has good armor pen and does plenty of damage that would probably kill anything before you stack up that brittleness to be used
Also uncanny strike as a blessing will be all the rending you’ll need, so that brittleness won’t be that effective for killing armored
Rending and brittleness once over 100% isn’t that wild for extra damage
as it’ll be 1/4 as effective once over 100%
orchid hemlock
Orcka why do you take so long to respond
Oh no I thought they LEFT the server cus their name turned white
Average discord moment
formal ice
orchid hemlock
Dagger and plasma/bolter/revolver
What's a dagger?
formal ice
Dumbass
orchid hemlock
That's my secret, I'm always stupid
orchid hemlock
Dagger and plasma/bolter/revolver
That's 3 different guns 😞
Also, I would not take knife if you are going krak and those guns
What are you going to wave clear with? 💀
blazing jetty
- fire the bolter at the head to do more damage
- fire the bolter at center mass to explode their torso and send their limbs flying (awesome)
what a dilemma
serene bough
does agile engagement range dmg apply to nades
mossy oasis
yeah i noticed
tame lodge
1 has no reliable Strikedown
mossy oasis
and against carapace.. dont even try right
mossy oasis
so, wouldnt 4 be the best just because it deals the most DMG on heavy?
mossy oasis
Best you can do is parry
does the parry actually deal decent DMG vs carapace / flak?
tame lodge
does the parry actually deal decent DMG vs carapace / flak?
Against flak yeah
Carapace still carapace so it won't be big damage but it'll be something
tame lodge
so, wouldnt 4 be the best just because it deals the most DMG on heavy?
4 and 7 have inverted heavies iirc
One is Strikedown into Sweep
The other is Sweep into Strikedown
mossy oasis
what about blessings? I assume cleave and dmg when hitting many enemies for hordeclear? Everything else seems doodoo feces.
tame lodge
Shred + Rampage/Savage Sweep yeah
Perks are Flak Maniacs
Or was it Rampage + Shred/Savage Sweep
calm shard
it was the former
shred is mandatory dps blessing for the devils claw
rampage/savage sweep are pick your flavor of horde clear blessing
+36% strength? or a billion cleave
mossy oasis
huh why is shred good
i guess free crit chance but its conditional (if i miss i lose it, and im not a god)
south thistle
What's a dagger?
😭😭😭
mossy oasis
makes me think rampage / savage sweep is better together for the ultimate hordeclear since it feeds into itself.
blazing jetty
it's kinda hard to miss when you're swimming in poxwalkers
calm shard
shred gives you single target damage and horde clear
rampage/savage sweep only give horde clear
tame lodge
If you go into your inventory and inspect the damage on the attacks, you'll see that Critspot damage is good
orchid hemlock
Cloak and Dagger
serene bough
what do people prefer on their PS sunder or bromentum
serene bough
i see
tame lodge
When there's a perfectly horizontal heavies on the mk3
serene bough
would never pick mk3 over mk6
tame lodge
serene bough
mk6 just purely better
thin minnow
What are mks
tame lodge
Slightly better
But better
thin minnow
How do u raise it
tame lodge
What are mks
"Marks" aka variations
If the weapon has different mks you unlock them by acquiring mastery
You get mastery by bringing the weapon to a game or sacrificing
tame lodge
Well you get a cosmetic at level 20
tame lodge
Vigilant autogun is so poopy
red robin
huh why is shred good
shred improves cleave dmg distrubution i fink
in the sense that crits do better cleave dmg
red robin
man
you think there's gonna be a update in the next few months?
i forgot the times where fatshark takes vacation time
summer update or pipe dream?
faint beacon
Hot take Mk6 is better for the sole purpose you can block cancel
Cause I’m personally enjoying the Scandar more
sharp epoch
you think there's gonna be a update in the next few months?
nah
red robin
its so over
sharp epoch
there will be cosmetic ones but no major ones most likely
grand perch
hang on that is fucking german on the scripture
thats just a catholic prayer
immersion ruined
lusty ether
hang on that is fucking german on the scripture
Me, when I realize what 'gothic' actually is.
'these guys aren't holy or Roman at all! Fuckin posers.'
cobalt lance
Three round burst vigilant autogun is so bad
red robin
cobalt lance
Bolter doesn't have as much recoil
red robin
true
lusty ether
Three round burst vigilant autogun is so bad
Single shot is based.
tame lodge
Bolter doesn't have as much recoil
hollow ibex
Three round burst vigilant autogun is so bad
No u 😠
Such a great weapon that fatshart balances it by giving it a 46 round mag
Because giving it a mag size divisible by its burst size would make it instantly broken
hollow ibex
lol was that a FAMAS issue too?
frank basin
3 round brust be hard control
calm shard
it fires at 1200 rounds per minute
hollow ibex
3 round burst
Typical Fr*nch
cobalt lance
God nerfed Famas so french wouldn't take over the world
thin minnow
25 round mag
Yeah cuz
Once you shoot the last burst
You will see and feel it shoot 1 and not 3
And know that you are out
In case you don't wanna count
And 25 rounds is the upper limit that can fit into a straight magazine of that size I believe
Any longer you either gotta curve or it will look weird
(I am making shit up I just love the gun)
unreal bone
thin minnow
Driptide channel
calm shard
is that a panda
faint beacon
Oh yo
Might yoink the pants
Cause they are Similar to the SL outfit pants just a different color
So might end up looking good
cinder token
finally (killshot ready was cheesed using mercantile kitchen method)
cinder token
mortis is goated for armourbane farming because of that grenade regeneration bonus that gives you one every 20 sec
but kraks are awful tbh, they're not very impactful. each time you throw a krak grenade you wish it were a shredder one
sleek garden
Three round burst vigilant autogun is so bad
Unbelievable pain when you three tap a tox flamer to the head and she doesn't die
but God it feels so awesome to get a crit on a mauler and watch his head light up with sparks
calm shard
but God it feels so awesome to get a crit on a mauler and watch his head light u...
why are you shooting maulers in the head vigi autogun has like 1.40 adm against flak or something absurd
sleek garden
why are you shooting maulers in the head vigi autogun has like 1.40 adm against ...
satisfaction+deadly accurate headhunter
tame lodge
I don't have too much experience with triple tapper nor double tapper
tame lodge
But I know the semi can 2 body shot mauler
calm shard
triple tap one is funny for critting crushers to death
hollow ibex
Man I haven’t been able to vibe with the semi at all
Surgical and deadly accurate
I think I’d rather just use a helbore tbh
hollow ibex
It doesn’t need to be charged in the lore?
calm shard
eh
"limiting the rate of fire"
making it charged is a good enough compromise on that
tall torrent
making it charged is a good enough compromise on that
Nah
No charge
Just big ammo cost + big damage
And slow down fire rate
Except helbore is neither big ammo cost nor big damage
calm shard
I mean Mk IV is both of those thing
if you don't crit with shocktrooper
it do sizable damage
and it costs what 12 ammo per shot?
tame lodge
9 iirc
hollow ibex
How big is helbore supposed to be?
In terms of damage
Because ngl it mostly just feels like a lasgun that isn’t total ass against carapace
You need to really build it to do big damage
And then the faster marks just straight up feel like charge lasguns
faint wedge
It’s a knife you can shoot people with
calm shard
How big is helbore supposed to be?
more than a lasgun
I don't own the only war books and can't be assed to pirate one just to see how much more than a regular lasgun they do
because the only war books are the...only source for helbore information
apparently
hollow ibex
Oh rip
Tbh outside of bosses
The revolver is better for taking out big game lol
And the faster helbores are kinda mid against carapace
calm shard
yeah
Mk V is outright bad against it
which should be a crime because it sounds the coolest
cobalt lance
Why veteran armors covered in bullets
When most of the guard uses lasguns
And we have no non-guard veterans so far
calm shard
autoguns are also standard issue guard regiment weaponry
hollow ibex
Why veteran armors covered in bullets
Because they know lasguns suck
calm shard
lasguns are the primary standard for cadians
but guard regiments vary heavily
being from entirely different planets will do that
cobalt lance
Because they know lasguns suck
Compared to autoguns they dont
hollow ibex
Compared to autoguns they dont
Nah Vraks is a beast
austere mica
Or even a vigilant to an inflas
orchid hemlock
Nah Vraks is a beast
Vraks Deez
hollow ibex
Agri is pretty good as well
calm shard
actually i'm wrong lasguns are standard for astra militarum
but autoguns were standard up to the 32nd millenium
and still see regular use in the guard
if the fandom wiki isn't fuckin' wrong that is
austere mica
Use Lexicanium
tame lodge
I'm trying to find when Path said that Helbore charged shot had rending against some armor type
nimble bridge
why are heavy attacks not used on the mk6 power sword?
tame lodge
But all I see is plasma
Too slow or weird angles
L1 and L2 are pretty horizontal
And fast
nimble bridge
bc means block cancel?
tame lodge
Yup
crimson pebble
why are heavy attacks not used on the mk6 power sword?
push attk into light is enough to handle majority threats
orchid hemlock
Agri is pretty good as well
I heard Path likes Gala a lot
nimble bridge
i cant seem to get the single target combo right
the last attack is a horizontal slash for me
calm shard
lexicanum says mostly the same thing
hollow ibex
i cant seem to get the single target combo right
You need to charge, bc and push attack immediately
Then light attack
crimson pebble
autoguns were the guards standard issue for majority of the crusade and heresy im p sure
hollow ibex
The timing is tight
nimble bridge
wait nvm ive been doing it correctly all this time
the last attack is a horizontal slash
uncut pebble
All lasguns use same batteries
I'm like 99.99% sure that lasgun mags are not interchangeable.
nimble bridge
Usually won’t need the last light 🤔
sometimes they just survive with like 1hp
the power sword does so much damage
high token
on recon lasgun, is dumdum better than headhunter?
tame lodge
Yeah
orchid hemlock
on recon lasgun, is dumdum better than headhunter?
Headhunter is a trap, because it's designed for weapons that don't get high crit values
tame lodge
Close damage maximum effectiveness up to 12.5 meters, then it falls off to 30 meters
Iirc
orchid hemlock
But with recon you want to build around getting as much crit rate as possible from the tree
crimson pebble
Headhunter is a trap, because it's designed for weapons that don't get high crit...
youre only wanting crits for infernus anyway
orchid hemlock
And the more base crit rate you have, the less valuable it becomes
orchid hemlock
youre only wanting crits for infernus anyway
I personally think it's just for shock trooper
Because I prefer deathspitter on all lasguns except for the XII
orchid hemlock
Headhunter is good on ILG
Because you don't want to build high crit rate on it from the tree
And it's 20% per shot
Versus 5%
high token
wait, dump on recon is collateral not mobility?
narrow frost
yes
orchid hemlock
Yeah
high token
and dmg on knife?
orchid hemlock
Collat is horrible on Recon anyways there are no breakpoints at lvl 80
orchid hemlock
and dmg on knife?
STOP
high token
IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS
orchid hemlock
I SPENT 7 DAYS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FORBIDDEN ONE 😭
cobalt lance
I'm like 99.99% sure that lasgun mags are not interchangeable.
That's ur wrong and I'm right
high token
I SPENT 7 DAYS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FORBIDDEN ONE 😭
im lacking critical information
cobalt lance
I bet you sont even have a PhD in warhammer lore
hollow ibex
and dmg on knife?
Damage isn’t dumped on any vet weapon
cobalt lance
Peasant
high token
Damage isn’t dumped on any vet weapon
im being fooled by guides on games lantern yet again
narrow frost
rule #1 never trust gameslantern
high token
issa shame cuz im really bad at doing my own builds
tame lodge
and dmg on knife?
The only
Only
Only
Weapon that really dumps damage is the Zealot's Flamer
slow spade
oh I thought Purg staff did too
tame lodge
Seems like no one told you the Knife's dump
It's mobility
hollow ibex
The only
Only
Only
Weapon that really dumps damage is the Zealot's Flamer
Purgatus though
high token
Seems like no one told you the Knife's dump
It's mobility
ye thats what i have currently
slow spade
It did but then Blaze Away got added
oh interesting I didn't know it scaled well enough to matter
hollow ibex
issa shame cuz im really bad at doing my own builds
Just ask here. We’re all meta slaves here
slow spade
everyone says "play what's fun to you". But we all think winning is fun 😎
high token
I noticed somethin' bout keyless recon lasgun in the pinned guide but didnt find anythin
rn im running weapon specialist
but i do suck at it
nimble bridge
why unarmoured for the helbore lasgun?
narrow frost
dreg gunner
nimble bridge
ok
high token
is field improvisation bad?