veteran-class

[unreal nova]

That won't solve cara up close.

[bold sierra]

Armourbane, easy 3-shot headshot Carapace with Surgical

[severe jolt]

THAT'S havoc40? Am I just playing with morons, because that looks surprisingly easy

[unreal nova]

Luck of the draw basically if you PF.

[bold sierra]

probably on the more fortunate runs, not to mention it's friggin Throneside lmao, Throneside is gigantic, lots of wiggle room, makes large hordes seem smaller

no silly goofy ledges for your teammates to fall off from

no silly goofy tight ass corridors and alleyways

but given all the boss spawns and crusher clowncars I've got in there, it's still pretty much H40

[severe jolt]

I really ought to play a few games with you lot instead of just playing with randoms.

[tame void]

My strike team when I drop a medpack

[unreal nova]

I miss my floofy gremlin already.

[manic fog]

Is "get at least +34% health (200hp)" still a thing? I see several old messages mentioning this, but then again i see most people running around with 3x tough or 2x tough 1x stam curios on vet, makes me wonder if it's still a priority

[uncut pebble]

The 200hp threshold is for being able to eat a sniper shot and not go down.

[manic fog]

so isnt a single +20% sniper res perk accomplishing the same with much less?

[crimson pebble]

think it has something to do with health chip through dmg or smthing

[unreal nova]

It's just mostly for newer players to avoid getting blown up by boomers and snipers.

[manic fog]

Right, I see. Tyvm for the clarification

[tame void]

Golden armor fixes this, i think hp is kinda redundant ngl

Toughness all the way

[cobalt lance]

Marksman's Focus is a joke

Standing still is a joke

[crimson pebble]

but

wait

you could crouch walk

[unreal nova]

You mean crabwalk. Cos dodging is possibly still faster.

[tame void]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-squat-walking-gif-7554391

[balmy flume]

I really want to say that is AI generated…

But it’s a sign of times that I am not 100% certain.

[severe jolt]

I don't think it is. Walking like that, alternating between the heels and the balls of your feet, is something that any halfway decent dancer could do.

[tame void]

That's a lot of feet details for ai

[unreal nova]

Too be fair, if it learnt from Deviantart...

[grand perch]

yeah heres the kicker, you dont have to stand still

[tame void]

This game wasn't built for marksman focus, especially not anywhere auric or above

If you're doing sedition sure

[grand perch]

until you realise how much damage that finesse bonus can be

people dismiss it way too easily

[tame void]

You gotta be alive in order to do the dmg

[grand perch]

yeah its not an easy keystone

[tame void]

Its horrible xd

The downside massively outweighs the positive

[grand perch]

suit yourself

[normal bay]

It feels great when you have your stacks up

But I can't be bothered to deal with that

[tame void]

Its just too much work, def not worth the reward

You need a benevolent director and a babysitting team

[bold sierra]

you can also just crouch toggle and play the game like that, it doesnt dampen dodging at all lol, I did it before

[quiet valley]

The crouch modifier is unironically pretty good

It’s a good way to keep stacks from decaying

[bold sierra]

yeah but I wish we got a separate keybouch for toggle crouch, cuz my finger really does hurt a lot trying to hold crouch so much

and without hold crouch, you can screw up at times when sliding

[unreal nova]

There is a thing to set it as toggle?

[bold sierra]

yeah

it's in input

[unreal nova]

I know. I mean, why not use it.

[bold sierra]

I did use it for quite a long time before, when my pinky was aching a lot

but found myself occasionally slide dodging and stuck in crouch, getting myself killed

it's not all the times, but it still happens

[unreal nova]

Probs holding it too long. Though usually pressing sprint makes you stand up again.

To be fair, I usually am trigger happy on dodge as well, and crouch dodge works.

[bold sierra]

it works

[tame void]

Weapon specialist is better, more fun imo

[bold sierra]

weapon specialist is cool, but tbh I think it's mostly a nothing burger, but that's just me

[unreal nova]

Not for some melees. It just pushes quick swap weapons though. And mostly single shot guns.

[bold sierra]

it's great for melee vets at least

[tame void]

Like me c:

[unreal nova]

Knoife loot gremlins, yes.

[severe jolt]

I ONLY PLAY SEDITION

And I never have any problems, no matter what weapons I use!

[tame lodge]

Lots of heads to hit on Aurics and above

[unreal nova]

But but, it's so hard.

[tame void]

you dont need marksman focus to click heads

[tame lodge]

Yeah but marksman focus likes clicking heads

MMF is not about standing still
MMF is about hitting heads

Tunnel Vision even gives you stamina so you can sprint around

[tame void]

i play auric maelstroms with a randomizer, i relate

[misty lance]

what do you think

[tame lodge]

The perks are a little weird

[misty lance]

hmm

[tame void]

its a bolt pistol, thats for sure

[misty lance]

yeah 10% realodad speed maybe isnt that much

[tame lodge]

The blessings and the sprint perks tell me you're going grenadier so you can just keep it in your pocket or use it to run
But the reload perk tells me you're planning to shoot it

[misty lance]

yeah its granadier build

but im mainly use pistol

[tame lodge]

The usual perks are Maniacs+Unarmored/Elites

[cinder token]

have you guys discussed mr.e's video with a breakdown of vet's skill tree?

[tame lodge]

I don't watch Mr E

[normal bay]

2+ hours for vets talent tree? No thanks

[unreal nova]

Why are you watching him? We already know vet is just overtaxed in everything.

[tough tiger]

Ewww mr.e

[void dragon]

So much time, and for what? I think we already know it's almost as bad as Zealot?

[agile forge]

Marks focus is just fun tbh. You really want to put it on something that's accurate, fast firing, and has strong Finesse modifiers already though

I think it's a trap on marksman style weapons

[cobalt lance]

Imagine standing still

[agile forge]

Marks focus gives the biggest reward for clicking heads though

[cobalt lance]

Like a moooooron

[agile forge]

I know right

If you can click on heads you don't have to stand still :D

[unreal nova]

Better and worse at the same time. Better cos SLIGHTLY more build options, worse cos the tax is hilariously bad. We just have it bottom tax heavy.

[orchid hemlock]

Oh no

[cobalt lance]

Your teammates will kill everything before you get ten stacks

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

Mr E is the vet expert now 😔

[agile forge]

Nah, vraks 5 builds stacks in no time

[orchid hemlock]

Wtf is this, is he going thru his synth wave phase now? 💀

[agile forge]

I use the build a lot. Maintaining stacks is not the issue with it at all lol

[cobalt lance]

If vraks 5 is so good why isn'y there vraks 5 2?

[agile forge]

The issue is that I take E stance to double down, and that means my melee survivability is karked

[cobalt lance]

Checkmate atheists

[agile forge]

Imagine being an atheist in 40k lmao

[cobalt lance]

Tau lmao bottom text

[agile forge]

I suppose actually you could get into ontological arguments about it

Do the ruinous powers really constitute gods? Does Jimmy Space?

[cinder token]

I don't think he claims to be an expert on anything, he's just your average youtuber, good at talking, but not the most knowledgeable or skilled person around

[orchid hemlock]

MY EYES

[orchid hemlock]

Yes he does, that's how the YouTube algorithm works

[agile forge]

Veteran middle ability is a hard drive

[tame lodge]

It's not about standing still though

It's about hitting heads

[orchid hemlock]

He's literally making a tier list

[cinder token]

I can also make a tier list. It doesn't mean I'm knowledgeable about veteran

[void dragon]

And all of the reward is just damage with no special difference, like the boat different a build can go is the lasgun free ammo on crit and maybe onslaught, from there nothing feels like an unique style

[cinder token]

He just enjoys sharing his opinion with his subscribers and he's entitled to one

There's 0 (zero (null)) problem with that

[orchid hemlock]

What is this passive aggressiveness?

If someone is making a video about what is good and what isn't, they are subjected to criticism. That's how it works

If I told my manager that I think I deserve a promotion because it's "my opinion" he would laugh and fire my ass.

[void dragon]

I find far more chances to reliable stand still in some fights than chances to reliability hit heads in the middle of a charging horde, probably less true on higher havoc but the risk/reward game of MMF is not that rewarding imo

[pearl mason]

I've found if you tell your team you are running marksman it can work on aurics. Get yourself a infantry Las gun the 2nd option and cast headshot on the heresy you'll go about just fine.

[void dragon]

What you think is the worse he said in that vid?

[hollow ibex]

lol onslaught at S, skirmisher at B

too lazy to check the rest

[void dragon]

"...and cast headshot..." The smart but more nerdy brother of "I cast fist"

[pearl mason]

The brother who doesn't go to the gym.

[void dragon]

Truly the veteran-ogryn relationship

[pearl mason]

^

[void dragon]

Onslaught is not bad but skirmisher is just garbo

[hollow ibex]

onslaught is a noob trap

so ig i'm not surprised Mr. E likes it

[grand perch]

if onslaught wasnt effectively a 3 point investment, yeah i'd say its S tier for some weapons

but thats just it, very build dependant

[void dragon]

I use it for a only recon las build so burn can kill everything and everyone

[grand perch]

slapping a generic S tier on that, yeah, no

[pearl mason]

I dropped my laser hose of a recon Las and traded it for a infantry las for that guardsman feel.

Accuracy improved and snipers are blinded by my laser pointer lol.

[unreal nova]

You still get 'nadier, pewpew man and Weapon Specialist which is basically melee vet.

[pearl mason]

Isn't onslaught the brittleness one?

[unreal nova]

Oh and ammo dispenser to the gunlugger. I forgot.

[void dragon]

Yeah...oh wait THAT'S ALL WHAT VET IS! almost like it has one single aura

[pearl mason]

All I need now is a long las and I'd be golden.

[void dragon]

Helbore sitting in a corner, crying

[unreal nova]

I mean, the other two are meh.

[candid agate]

how many days since hotshot lasgun mention?

[unreal nova]

Even if survivalist is overnerfed, the other two are just so meh compared.

[void dragon]

Not only boring but trash

[hollow ibex]

sprint speed is great

[pearl mason]

There it IS!

[hollow ibex]

i love it

[tawny badger]

survivalist but you get 1% of your ammo with a cooldown of 1 minute

[void dragon]

What's different between long las and a Helbore?

[grand perch]

usually both mentioned within minutes of each other

[candid agate]

not surprised

[pearl mason]

I want to like helbore, but the feel of the weapon is just not there for me. I feel my infantry Las drops things faster than a helbore can.

[hollow ibex]

of course a dreg rager would advocate for this

[candid agate]

a heavy stubber like the artwork for the executioner stance would also be good

[grand perch]

you couldnt do this with longlas https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1htj4mj/havoc40_a_place_where_the_best_players_can_still/

[hollow ibex]

well helbore will wreck ogryn elites much faster

but it's just a super jank weapon

[pearl mason]

There is so many variables for the helbore to fail.

Infantry Las out does it for me at least. Probably a skill issue for me and the helbore.

[void dragon]

I always sucked with sniper guns so it's hard to tell for me

[tawny badger]

from what I can gather (since I couldn’t find anything on the wh40k wiki on helbores specifically)

long-las lasguns are, functionally, just standard lasguns with a scope and a stronger barrel to support the stronger power packs they use

helbores are special, charge-fire lasguns that seem to use regular power packs but with the potential of using more of the pack’s power per shot depending on charge

[pearl mason]

You can snipe like a mad man with the infantry Las.

[unreal nova]

They hate being shot at.

[void dragon]

Don't we all?

[grand perch]

release skill tree vet: "i dont even feel a thing"

[unreal nova]

Ragers hate it more than anything else.

[unreal nova]

75% TDR is hilarious.

[void dragon]

Sure, but they deserve it the most

[candid agate]

most of the community assumes a long-las would be like a snipers las gun, when its just an infantry lasgun that packs a little more punch and has a scope

[pearl mason]

Ragers get my tac axe to the dome. No reason to waste ammo on them.

Thud thud thud

[grand perch]

+9000 social credit with me

[tawny badger]

if anything ain’t that what the las fusil is for

[void dragon]

Maybe I had to deal with packs of them too often but I really don't like meleeing them, too risky, specially for vet I feel

[candid agate]

yeah, but thats probably out of our league for what the inquisition will spend on us

[tawny badger]

true

[pearl mason]

I used to use the knife until a true zealot spoke to me with a laugh and said, "drop the butter knife bud, get a tac axe"

Zealots speak the imperial truth

[pearl mason]

The slam special staggers ragers!

[tawny badger]

drop the hatchet bud, get a combat axe

who thumbs downed me

[grand perch]

i never heard of las-fusil and truly am in awe they called it las-rifle in another language and passed it off as somethng different

[pearl mason]

Of course the rager would say that, I wish I could use 2 at once. But that is against the Infantryman's Primer.

[tawny badger]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Las_Fusil

[grand perch]

yeah i know

[candid agate]

a fusil is not a regular rifle

[grand perch]

its literally french for rifle

[pearl mason]

Good luck lifting that on corpse starch rations mate

[tawny badger]

that’s what makes us ragers cool and awesome, we can dual wield

commit heresy today

[tame lodge]

Except when enemies are close

Ilas reverse fall off

[pearl mason]

Tis why the Emperor gave me a tac axe

[candid agate]

that doesnt change how it could kill a space marine, instead of being a regular las rifle

[tawny badger]

reverse falloff makes no goddamn sense to me

[tame lodge]

Tac axe bad

[grand perch]

my point is we have 2 things that are called lasrifle but one's different. its a stupid name imo

[pearl mason]

A dissenting opinion....ON THE INTERNET?!

[grand perch]

the personal attack

[candid agate]

ok then

[grand perch]

the injury

[tawny badger]

chai axe good

fucking

autocorrect

[grand perch]

chai latte axe

so good

[pearl mason]

Relaxing with every strike

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spiderman-spiderverse-across-the-spider-verse-chai-tea-gif-14428002463126744265

[grand perch]

hehe Teetees

[pearl mason]

Well played

[tawny badger]

how it feels to use thammer (5 years of endlag on every charged hit)

[pearl mason]

Power axes would be cool to have through.

[grand perch]

power axes yes HOWEVER

[pearl mason]

Tac axe has all those copper wires in it for some reason.

[grand perch]

psword style activation?

[tawny badger]

give them a use experience as terrible as the power sword

[grand perch]

or relic blade

[tawny badger]

relic blade

[hollow ibex]

but no power cycler

[void dragon]

Relic blade is preferred almost universally, even for PSword

[tawny badger]

because psword activation fucking sucks

[grand perch]

but if they want power weapons to be coherent with each other, theyd have to go psword activation mode

[pseudo fiber]

They should make the relic blade play like the power sword instead

[pearl mason]

The real questions here huh, that is hard one. Each has its drawback, safe bet because of the speed of the swings, ps sword I'd say.

[pseudo fiber]

Then it's truely fair

[tame lodge]

It's not personal
It's more like a running gag

[tawny badger]

I would jump off a bridge

[void dragon]

Imagine doing rapid push a attacks with a constant activated PSowrd, insane world would be

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[tame lodge]

I have 66+ messages with some sort of "tac bad" written on it

[heavy rover]

Oh I got one

[void dragon]

Would be too much to ask for the PS to be usable when not active? It really struggles to kill anything without active

[pearl mason]

I think a power axe would be better with ps sword over the relic blade imo

[heavy rover]

Deadshot good

[grand perch]

@VVardens ban this guy

menace to society

[void dragon]

If you love having no stamina for pushing the poxburster

[pearl mason]

Ouch but true

[grand perch]

thats what gun bashes are for

when they work

[pearl mason]

Which mark of tac axe do you use as the no1 enjoyer?

[grand perch]

7 is generally the best due to moveset

2 is what lots of people enjoy as well

[pearl mason]

Is that the second or third option?

[grand perch]

4 is kinda the worst and only good for light spam

[void dragon]

Imagine using the crappy special of those guns, disgusting

[pearl mason]

So the heavy attacks of the 7 are for rank and file?

[void dragon]

Believe in glorious insta melee swap

[hollow ibex]

4 is funny tho

[pearl mason]

I'm trying to up my game play, ive got my aim down, but the melee still gets me.

Ragers especially.

[unreal nova]

But you can shoot them before they get close, RIGHT?

[void dragon]

Nope,not unless me gun is a shotgun that covers all the screen, that's why me have me club

[grand perch]

horde is heavy attack into push attack or L2

[unreal nova]

But, that's just kickback in a nutshell.

[pearl mason]

When does the light come in?

Like it's uses

[grand perch]

single target, notably crushers

[void dragon]

Also, when I shoot them someone suddenly go close, I explode it on their face as they fly off the map and got blamed for the event

[grand perch]

if you want the advanced combo:
[SP1 → L3] → [L1 → H2 → L3]

[pearl mason]

Really? How does it clean them up on auric storm

[grand perch]

not well

[pearl mason]

Lol

[grand perch]

notable weakness of tac axe are unyielding and carapace

[pearl mason]

Yeah I've seen that. I put carapace on the axe with crit damage as 2nd.

[unreal nova]

This is why you ping them and run away, I guess.

[grand perch]

crit damage is terribad unfortunately due to FS maths

[hollow ibex]

don't do crit damage, on any weapon, ever

it's a trap

[grand perch]

carapace and maniac

[pearl mason]

Oooo

[void dragon]

I wish we had better pings, this feels just one of many scenarios of the shortcomings of the system currently in

[pearl mason]

I'm doing that than. Didn't know crit damage was a trap.

I have it on my Las, what would be better?

[hollow ibex]

yeh let's say crit on the weapon gives 30% bonus damage. the crit perk applies only to the bonus damage.

[hollow ibex]

uhh check the hammer of the emperor guide in the pins

[pearl mason]

Alright than

[unreal nova]

I mean, what else? You go to push, someone shoots. You shoot a distant one, team goes to push or so. You shout push an explody guy, somehow team runs too close to push it more and gets boomed.

[void dragon]

Are you spying on my games or this is far more common than what I expected?

Jokes aside, would be neat to have some pings for call for help when you are being chased by the Bulwark conga

[unreal nova]

This just happens all the time so I just got used to pinging and running away unless I'm the guy in the back and the pox is coming from behind since nobody else ever turns around.

[pearl mason]

I suppose weakspot would be better than. This is a huge guide, by the throne!

[void dragon]

And people don't watch it enough, it's seriously amazing

[hollow ibex]

weakspot has the exact same issue lol

you usually just want a 25% damage type blessing

[pearl mason]

Alright than, I was half way to a good Las, time to bug Hadron.

[unreal nova]

Go pester Path to finish the updated ver if you like it. He's procrastinating again.

[void dragon]

He is?

*pulls out whip

[unreal nova]

It's more a joke that even the Zealot guide got finished before the Vet Steam Guide is partially done.

[void dragon]

And when they finally remake both veteran and zealot to make those irrelevant again, Path will have to start again from square 1

[faint beacon]

Not really it’d only effect like

[pearl mason]

I really hope for a rework for vet. Or some new pew pews. Hellgun pls or let me steal the scab gunners weapon.

Give it to me!

[faint beacon]

1/5th of the guide

[unreal nova]

Is why the joke is... Will Vet get a rework before Path releases his guide...

[faint beacon]

Tree and Vets base stats

The guide literally has everything including the other 3 classes base stats for comparison

[void dragon]

I'm putting Karien' Krak nadé sandwich in the vet rework will come first

[faint beacon]

We’d only have to revise if they did actual game changing reworks to vet talents

Meaning like we’d have to figure what’s good on what weapons etc

[faint beacon]

Highly doubt it

2026+ we’ll at most have bad talent reworks and a tree rehaul

Not a full blown rework like Zealot

[unreal nova]

Who knows. Though, needs to be less taxes for everything and buffs for everything except like 4 nodes.

[void dragon]

BS, veteran needs a rework almost as much as zealot because it's build diversity is quite terrible and once the zealot is fixed like orgyn everyone will agree that is AWFUL

[faint beacon]

No

[void dragon]

Yes

[faint beacon]

We have builds outside of a staple build that actually work lmao

VOC is just so fucking overtuned it feels like we don’t

[unreal nova]

Not when you compare to Oggy rn.

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is the best class in the game next to Psyker

[unreal nova]

If Zealot ends the same way...

[faint beacon]

That’s a given

[unreal nova]

WELL.

[faint beacon]

400% melee damage for ahem

Playing the game

[void dragon]

Zealot with build diversity and infinite damage and survivability

[faint beacon]

Zealot does not have build diversity

Lmao

What

[unreal nova]

Let's just say, Vet needs crazy buffs at that point.

[void dragon]

I know, but imagine a world like that

Would be insane peak

[faint beacon]

Minor buffs

[unreal nova]

We are assuming AFTER the rework.

[void dragon]

Nah, remove VoC and frags and the veteran in high difficulty crumbles much more consistently

[faint beacon]

Vet is fine there’s like a handful of ones that genuinely need reworks and the entire tree just needs reshuffling to be less taxing

[void dragon]

The power difference is quite noticable

[pearl mason]

Zealot is kind of locked into a set atm just like vet is. If anything a rearranging of perk placement trees would be a blessing.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, Zealot is getting a full rework soon.

If it becomes like oggy.... Vet will need massive buffs to compensate.

[pearl mason]

That means vet isn't to far behind. Ya know the guard has to hold the line!

[faint beacon]

If they gave EStance either ranged TDR on ADS/Activation it would be able to fight with VOC on Havoc

Again it’s literally just

VOC is overpowered

That’s why everyone uses it

[unreal nova]

The guard is now ammo dispenser.

[void dragon]

Imagine having toughness regen while the stance last, would be solid to gunfight enemy gunners

[pearl mason]

No argument there

[pearl mason]

I engage them from cover or strafing, if anything stagger them with a center mass before laser pointing them in the eyes. That or just pop a smoke and use ES.

[void dragon]

I wonder how much power of VoC is overpowered that needs nerf and how much is something we should look to give to all around it's perk tree

[faint beacon]

50 to 20 golden

It’s that easy

[orchid hemlock]

It's not specifically what he says, it's the fact he just made a video of himself going on photoshop and putting ABC tags on every talent node.

No analysis, no data, no examples, no tests, no in game execution, no references.

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[void dragon]

Yeah, I don't say it's not possible, specially if you actually use cover unlike other rejects

[pearl mason]

Though I've noticed ALOT of guard and gunner spawns. Like 30 at once I've seen. It's a tad wild.

[unreal nova]

VoC by itself isn't OP though.

[void dragon]

Sounds AND feels lazy

[faint beacon]

Ehhhh

VOC without Duty and Honor is still incredibly strong

It’s just when you get that sub node it instantly becomes overpowered

Strongest stagger in the game + full toughness refill

[unreal nova]

I'm just saying you shouldn't be nerfing the base ability.

[faint beacon]

Is pretty fucking crazy

[void dragon]

Piss toughness ruining the game

[faint beacon]

It’s Duty and Honor + Tac Awareness

[orchid hemlock]

Also, given how in previous videos he just copy and pasted Tanner's analysis

I am very subject to think he just copied the Vet guide, because a lot of talents he never said where good all of the sudden are 🤔

[faint beacon]

We’ve already had ideas on how to nerf them without hitting Infil and EStance hard

But hitting VoC hard

[unreal nova]

I don't see the point if Zealot ends up like oggy.

At that point, why play Vet?

[faint beacon]

Which is reduce Duty golden to 20 and rework Tac to be % decreased CD

[void dragon]

Path's perk tier list when

[pearl mason]

To yell at the karkers?

[faint beacon]

Veteran will always have HPV sniping

[candid agate]

honestly ive switched to ogryn for the guardsman marksman experience, vet feels like he has so little identity

[void dragon]

That's why we have shouty (zealot)

[faint beacon]

And the benefit of increased Weakspot damage

[orchid hemlock]

Actually nevermind he said damage aura is D tier

[unreal nova]

But you can do that as oggy, and not even need to aim as well.

[orchid hemlock]

And smokes is D

He's playing the conventional opinion IG 😈

[void dragon]

I...that...Isn't that illegal?

[pearl mason]

To feel like a dude with a gun

[void dragon]

Shouty has a gun, and when he mini-charge it's infantry autogun crits a lot!

[unreal nova]

It is the worst of the three to pick for most. So IDK. I'm assuming you mean the aura.

[pearl mason]

I just want to wear my cadian armor with a Las gun and tac axe and show the world even the Emperor needs a little help from the Guard!

[faint beacon]

A lot of Vets hate smokes but they don’t really do two things with it that imo jumps it up to like B

Iirc that’s where Path kinda ranks it

[orchid hemlock]

No it's not, damage aura is better than survivalist in 90% of the guns, unless you are playing havoc

[faint beacon]

Above average but not great

It’s literally on demand Turn range off

Or

[orchid hemlock]

Damage aura also has better pathing for VOC

[unreal nova]

Or playing with pubs.

[faint beacon]

Flush gunners out from a position they’re dug into

[void dragon]

But not for frags, the one best veteran option for cleave vs hordes

[unreal nova]

I literally have 0/0/0 playing with pubs because they grab all the ammo leaving me with none.

Unless it's really out of place.

And i'm going full loot gremlin.

[orchid hemlock]

Even if they take all the ammo, I still prefer the damage aura so I can grab agile engagement

[void dragon]

Honestly ppl rush to fast, I can't count the times I was left behind because they rushed ahead and I had to loot the med pack because no one search for it

[faint beacon]

One of Vets strongest talents but made less interesting solely cause it’s taxing to get lmao

[unreal nova]

I mean, I can technically get it... I just took serrated blade cos funni.

[faint beacon]

AE is so fucking good though

[orchid hemlock]

Nah B tier 😈

[pearl mason]

I go with damage because I have like 900+ rounds with crits costing no ammo. I can go half the mission without a need to re arm.

Though I can't stand when Ogryns steal all the ammo!

[faint beacon]

Talents that aren’t abilities or keystones I’d say like imo

Iron will and AE are easily insanely strong picks

[void dragon]

Melegryns taking little ammo vs luggers eating all of it on sight

[faint beacon]

Also not mentioning Tac cause every vet uses that

[unreal nova]

Why just loot grem anyway.

[pearl mason]

When I see a lobby with a gun lugger....sadness

[unreal nova]

I just live on survivalist for a reason.

[void dragon]

The full team should loot grem, it's free resources! JUST LOOT YOU FOOLS!

[serene bough]

only aura that matters is survivalist on vet imo

[unreal nova]

I don't wanna deal with people screaming about needing ammo at me constantly, bonus if they refuse to get their own survivalist as a vet.

[serene bough]

you only take damage aura for easier pathing to agile engagement

[faint beacon]

Survivalist and Fireteam are good

Close and Kill is the only one that is “Bad”

It’s actually good imo but it’s the weakest of the 3

[serene bough]

fireteam doesnt push any breakpoints its hardly noticable

if it were 10% id value it

having a constant source of ammo on the other hand (esp in havoc) will always be noticed

[unreal nova]

More or less.

[faint beacon]

10% imo is too much but 7.5% might be fine cause it’s all damage

[unreal nova]

At least I will have ammo without having to deal with other vet or gunlugger complaining about ammo to me.

[faint beacon]

Also that’s a given, in Havoc you’re kinda forced to play Surv

[unreal nova]

They can fight each other for all i care.

[faint beacon]

Or you’re actively throwing your team under the bus

[void dragon]

If no ammo, your damage with the cool gun goes to 0, ergo having ammo is good and survivalist will always be king

[serene bough]

even outside of havoc though surv is the only one that really matters

[unreal nova]

There's also free 'nades from the crate so they can also fight over that.

[serene bough]

7.5% is too low bc it needs to compete with survivalist

thats kind of vet in a nutshell, Exec & infil cant compete w/ VoC, fireteam & close and kill cant compete with survivalist, and maybe less certain but OfB is just the overall best path

[void dragon]

That's why I always give the ammo box to the vets, some random luck can be it has the perk for free nades and we can crash some PCs with triple box

[unreal nova]

It don't matter who drops it as long as said vet is alive.

[serene bough]

yeah pretty much

which lies the problem of the other auras its too hard to compete with unless you make busted stat adjustments

[faint beacon]

O4B is the most convienent cause it applies to everything but CK is solid on Havoc from the sheer and utter elite spam in 30+

[void dragon]

Make survivalist a passive only for vet and actually make the auras worth a grog

[faint beacon]

Eh? That would just discourage teamplay and force vets into a "Must choose or throwing" talent

[warm kettle]

Oh people thinking I'm throwing doesn't stop me, I played revolver psyker in the beta

[void dragon]

How? I'm straight up suggesting survivalist to be removed from the perk tree and given as a passive only for veterans, who are the most gun focused class

[warm kettle]

And people apparently hate exe stance, my beloved

[normal bay]

They don't hate exe stance but your survivability drops noticeably when you run it

[faint beacon]

The one talent they should make into a passive is Determined

[warm kettle]

I do fine

[faint beacon]

thats the only one I genuinely think should be a Passive on Veteran cause it makes the most sense

[unreal nova]

Vet of war... Being shot at is normal by now.

[serene bough]

im not too opposed by this idea tbh

because people bring vet for surv anyways

[unreal nova]

Watch as nobody wants a Vet anymore for high havs.

Except as a last resort due to playing on a somewhat dead server at weird hours.

[warm kettle]

If people want to run 4 ogryns that's a them problem

[serene bough]

just saying if surv is baked into vet by default you have more freedom to path around without feeling like a handicap

[warm kettle]

3 ogryns and a loner zealot die a mile away

[unreal nova]

Thing is, people take vet for their havs specifically for survivalist.

But if it's made selfish, it's probably better to take a second psyker or a second oggy.

[serene bough]

oh, no i still want surv to be teamwide

just a passive

[unreal nova]

Innate? I guess, yeah.

[serene bough]

that and determined

[warm kettle]

Ohhh this whole time I didn't even realize what survivalist was

[serene bough]

because why not, you cant compete with survivalist anyways and everyone brings vet just for survivalist (in regards to auras)

[grand perch]

why oh why did they bring back blight for havoc

[warm kettle]

Yeah that'd be very nice to have as a convenience on vet

Funny gas

[void dragon]

The removing of survivalist can open the chance to make actual buffs on the perk tree

[grand perch]

who the fuck said "green shit on the floor everywhere, thats fun right?"

[unreal nova]

Don't ask me. All i know is my dumb build is back in action.

[warm kettle]

Oh right the snot

[unreal nova]

3x corruption resist beacon Zealot.

[warm kettle]

The snot is my mortal weakness

[void dragon]

Close minded orgyn time to shine

[warm kettle]

Maybe it's a lack of feedback, or I'm just horribly inattentive

[unreal nova]

But what will be a good replacement aura if Survivalist is just innately baked into vet?

[grand perch]

suppression aura

wheeze

[serene bough]

maybe just some weakspot dmg

[warm kettle]

I was gonna say weak spot damage would be nice

[serene bough]

to keep inline with the sharpshooter theme

[warm kettle]

Especially with the right build on others

[serene bough]

10% weakspot left 7.5% damage fireteam

[void dragon]

We need to clarify the archetypes, one is supposedly full gunner, other is support and the other is melee, right?

[serene bough]

close&kill some stamina related aura

[unreal nova]

Long ranged gunner... If we are going by how a CERTAIN thing that needs to be reworked is like.

Stares at longshot...

[void dragon]

That side of the perk tree is so ded nowadays

[unreal nova]

It's just that node is the most useless thing I have ever seen.

Like, why can't it be... Increasing damage the longer you aren't hit by a melee attack?

[void dragon]

Dumb question of the day: what would happen if we have smoke nades with a node upgrade that give us Stealth?

[unreal nova]

It should just be team stealth within smoke.

[void dragon]

Second upgrade is team infiltration vs toxic gas nades

The team one has reduced duration tho

[unreal nova]

Eh, don't think it matters depending on how it's done.

If I were to cook, it's..

On smoke, grants team within the smoke radius infiltrate equal to that of the vet. Once broken, grants equal to what the vet subnode grants. Each smoke can only grant Infil once.

So you can totally smoke save an ally about to die horribly by throwing a smoke towards them.

And if you are worried they'll aggro you, you throw one under yourself as well. XD

Or well, you use your own.

Oh, assuming the vet doesn't have infil, you just get a basic version of it.

Or a weakened ver if you want it to be fairer.

[faint beacon]

Imo left side should just rework Weakspot hitting consistency and have more Weakspot focused Talents there so it also stays in line with a Sharpshooter mindset they were going for

[tame lodge]

Players were having too much fun on the hard game mode

[unreal nova]

Now forced beacon zealot or pain.

Oh wait, simple minded oggy.

_>

Overtuned class 2.0.

[hollow ibex]

I feel like left side is always going to be shit with how bad hitreg is

[orchid hemlock]

At least they didn't bring back pus harden

[unreal nova]

Don't jinx us.

[grand perch]

pus-hardened is back, now with 90% reduction and applying to melee as well ☠️

[unreal nova]

Why are you all trying to jinx us?

[grand perch]

i just want to see how ridiculous they can go

every enemy replaced by chaos spawn (but weakened so its fair)

[tame lodge]

Applying to melee is evil

And encourages dogshit lacerate

Or the ever reliable Bloodletter

On weapons that aren't Havoc certified

[unreal nova]

Flesh Tearer knoife.

Or just pray for inf 'nades.

[tame lodge]

Make it pus hardened but invert the polarity

Only ranged hurts it

No dots

No melee

[spark cipher]

also remove all ammo pickups from the level

[unreal nova]

You wanna force survivalist even more, is it?

[spark cipher]

Yes, fat shart intention

[unreal nova]

Or ehm, more psykers running Voidstrike.

Well, LMB EK works as well.

[spark cipher]

ogryn rock meta

zealots in shambles

[unreal nova]

Naw, you still want a Chorus bot.

More free crits for your recon anyway.

[tall torrent]

I started rogue trader

guide delayed by at least 3 months

[tame lodge]

I don't believe you
It should be more than 3 months

[void dragon]

nice, with more of this we will have the guide line up for the Veteran rework!

[unreal nova]

I told you all... Procrastination happening.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

?

[orchid hemlock]

Behold

Graphic design is my passion

[void dragon]

is this the full Mr E ranking? didnt even touched MMF?

[red robin]

Do a shovel only playthrough and do a vet inspired build

[orchid hemlock]

Idk I just screenshoted random points

The neon colors burn my eyes

[void dragon]

screenshot better random points

[pseudo fiber]

S tier onslaught?

D tier smokes C tier Kraks?

Swap them

[void dragon]

it is ok for recon las for the fire burn, but is not universally good for it to be S

[tame lodge]

Mostly ranged vet

Fortress World Soldier

[red robin]

Damn thinking abt it, soldier into master tactician might be baller

Hit em with the focus target

[orchid hemlock]

What about lacerate light spamming knife?

[faint beacon]

What did he rank MMF...

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

also you stingy for pixels i see

[tall torrent]

no

[red robin]

It’s so over

[tall torrent]

who made dis

[orchid hemlock]

Mr E

[red robin]

I don’t want to do it myself because I’m waiting for the next big dlc

[tall torrent]

Shovel is not even good in DT lol

[red robin]

A man can dream

[void dragon]

shovel taking L even in other games? ist Jover

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[tall torrent]

I cannot comprehend hate watching

[spark cipher]

Only good shovels you'll find is killing floor 2 or far cry 5

[orchid hemlock]

Someone here said to look at the video so I did

[void dragon]

is he right or wrong on its ranking? i know a lot of folks will folow his guidance

[faint beacon]

Summary: Yesn't

[tall torrent]

Step 1 don’t follow him lol

[faint beacon]

What you can do is listen to Veteran's in here

[elder fiber]

listen to the voice of the god emperor

[red robin]

Damn, I can’t even enjoy the limited number of darktide content on YouTube

[elder fiber]

that's correct

[red robin]

Even from people who I find endearing and engaging

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't the one should not be named a "Vet Main?"

[void dragon]

step 2: be lost wondering what is a reliable source of guidance
step 3: be told that Mr E is good source by people that dont know
step 4: folow Mr E

[red robin]

Tragic

If he directs a player to have fun, where’s the harm?

[sharp epoch]

hes not really a vet main 😤

[red robin]

Who is really

[orchid hemlock]

I think ultimately, the reason why content creation on Darktide is soo dry is because the learning curve gets obscenely steep and is required to progress into the "fun" part of the game

You can unfortunately only have soo many Vtuber screeching reaction videos before it turns stale quickly

[red robin]

Helps if the personality teaching the game isn’t dry or condescending

[tall torrent]

I may or may not have to make a video but editing on Linux is cursed

[tame lodge]

I mean, it's an act1 weapon

You replace it halfway through act 1

💀

[void dragon]

another one is the rate of update, making fresh content for a game that updates so slowly must be troublesome

[tall torrent]

Nah just do freight line quest and grab the power pick

[sharp epoch]

I think for streaming you really have to lock in to play harder difficulties and it's hard to like talk to chat at the same time, there's like zero downtime

[red robin]

True

Gotta be mindful of sound cues for everyone and yourself

[orchid hemlock]

Idk everyone needs to lock in in any competitive game, I don't think that is the problem.

The game has such a piss poor teaching experience

[red robin]

Or the pesky backstab notifier

[sharp epoch]

Big streamer games like valorant even though its competitive there is periods of breaks in the end and beginning phase, and also just waiting for enemies

[orchid hemlock]

It also has to do with the fact that the game's progression isn't just a carrot dangling in front of your face that you can flex to your friends.

[tame lodge]

I don't have Void Shadows yet

💀

[pseudo fiber]

But on the other side what is darktide missing?

We got casual videos by folks like frip frop

Meta analysis but insert your favourite

Lore

What is something that isn't really done by the community

[orchid hemlock]

We had Sirdim do like 2 videos

[pseudo fiber]

There was a destiny guy who did it too

[orchid hemlock]

Zanny?

[pseudo fiber]

Nah

[sharp epoch]

WE NEED BRAINROT VIDEOS

[orchid hemlock]

Ironically I think the crux of the problem is this

You can't make clickbait videos unless you do this:

0 actual gameplay, 100% windows sketch/Photoshop

[pseudo fiber]

SirDimetrious

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah I said SirDim

He's now addicted to MR tho 💀

[pseudo fiber]

Oh you did lmfao

I saw Sirdim and was like

Who's that lmfao

He said the melee combat was bad too

What a world

[orchid hemlock]

In other words, Darktide isn't really "memebale" or "editor friendly"

[orchid hemlock]

He corrected everything in the latest video

He actually plays an auric mael

https://youtu.be/xM1gseguhvY?si=66ZXEuY7kWsg09E4

[sharp epoch]

he still doesnt really know how to melee and just uses DS

[warm kettle]

I will also say, the smog and fog effects make a lot of footage super blurry! When I tried streaming it with OBS and Twitch

[pseudo fiber]

That's good

[sharp epoch]

Yeah you really need to change the bitrate settings to make it look good

[warm kettle]

I'm sure there's some shenanigans to make it look better, but most video encoding hates stuff like smoke and darkness and...Darktide is very smokey and I'm sure you're gonna need to sit down for this

Darktide is....||kinda dark||

[orchid hemlock]

😈

[orchid hemlock]

Idk thousands of people watch DBD

[tall torrent]

Disable local light shadows and turn darktide into brightide

[warm kettle]

fair, which IS good vtuber screech react content!

enable fullbright

[orchid hemlock]

That game gives me blindness watching it

The fact that cringe ass games that were made in unity in 2 hours get millions of views per day makes me wonder if any of that is actually relevant

Fundamentally it's all about content

The more content you can shit out in a shorter amount of time, the more likely you end up at the top of the algorithm

[sharp epoch]

also pvp games just have a lot more randomness and content to make from it

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine having to edit Darktide Content

Like wtf do you crop and leave in? 💀

[tall torrent]

I got the entire game for cheap on cdkeys

I think deluxe game + season pass added up to be less than base game on sale

lol

[warm kettle]

I cropped a little test clip to show my friends

[tall torrent]

I kind of want to make a big guide vid

[warm kettle]

one good segment between airlock elevators

[tall torrent]

Just the basics

But then again Linux video editing is cursed beyond repair

[warm kettle]

I've gotta be real...while Darktide has plenty of complexities! It's a very deep game if you know where to look

[tall torrent]

And I already have a guide to work on

[warm kettle]

It's not that complicated on the surface

if you have a good gun/s0rd, good aim, and dont run off alone like an idiot

Of course, I have my melee sensibilities from VT2 so maybe I'm biased

[warm kettle]

what difficulty are they on.

[tall torrent]

Probably malice or lower

[warm kettle]

I remember liking malice and considering it a 'normal mode'

back in ye olde days

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1343685279130583182/Screenshot_2025-02-24_154514.png?ex=681b1daf&is=6819cc2f&hm=e2aadbeaffcff41536d1ab383cf6c4a8f3c615fad0f633f530d4a445c273049e&

“How is damage calculated in this game”

[warm kettle]

All of those things are important and matter to those who crunch numbers

I do damnations and mortis fairly casually with good-ish builds, I don't know the real maths

[sharp epoch]

just shoot until die 😤

[warm kettle]

I dont know the order of operations, importantly, for how the calculation works

at least its better than when we ONLY had the little bars to decipher our stats

[tall torrent]

Ask any player with <50hr playtime and most won’t understand how toughness works

It is what it is

[warm kettle]

The way you say that makes me worry I don't

(I will not seek information in this matter)

[tame lodge]

Psyker mentality

[tall torrent]

Ask any player with <200hr playtime how dodges work and most can’t give the correct answer

Ask any player with <500hr playtime how to avoid ranged attacks and most won’t give u the complete correct answer

[warm kettle]

I've got just under 400 and I've played since beta

[sharp epoch]

psyker bubble next

[tall torrent]

It’s not complex when u understand it, but getting to a point of understanding is complex

[warm kettle]

Well since we've found an actual breakpoint for me, is this that answer you're looking for? That it's hitscan with a targeted flash, and you need to either have the dodge 'effect' up or already be behind an object the hitscan cannot touch

hence why shieldgryns were undercooked for so long

[tall torrent]

Which question is this for

Avoiding ranged attacks?

[warm kettle]

Avoiding ranged attacks

it's a hitscan after a warning

[austere mica]

There’s more ways

[warm kettle]

Or are you looking for something more broad like tactical position

I like using staggers and suppression to discourage spam in the team's direction, myself

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/Zdm-8MvLpUI?si=oeWqeH5u7EA7bWQH

[austere mica]

Mechanically to dodge a ranged attack you either have dodge state, are sliding, are running at a specific angle, have ranged immunity (EE) or block with a deflector weapon

Or Dome/Smokes

[warm kettle]

ah, see I didnt know there was a freebie window on your flanks

which seems a little counterintuitive

[austere mica]

It tells you in the tutorial

Very explicitly

[warm kettle]

I played that back in the beta

[tall torrent]

It does tell u in tutorial
But it doesn’t tell I the explicit angle

And that angle has been changed before

[warm kettle]

Hm.

[tall torrent]

Used to be more generous

[warm kettle]

at any rate I tend to only run like that when a situation's kinda fucked anyway

but I will backpocket that

[tame lodge]

It's the secret last option

[tall torrent]

It’s the first option for long distances

[warm kettle]

You can also shoot them before they shoot you, since we're on the shooty class

I'll concede, I haven't messed with havoc past rank 20-something? So different tactics may be called on

[tall torrent]

Veteran hasn’t been the ranged class for like over a year lol

[warm kettle]

Yes and I'm sure exe stance is bad and that we should all use smoke grenades

I get by plenty well

[tame lodge]

At havoc campaign one you really didn't want to be on a shooters line of sight

💀

[austere mica]

Yeah we should all use smokes they’re good

[warm kettle]

I'm partial to kraks for my purposes but I'm not going to sit here and ACTUALLY shit on smoke nades

[tall torrent]

Smoke needs at least 3 major buffs

Krak needs 2-3 major buffs

[austere mica]

Which

I’d like to know what you think

[orchid hemlock]

Smokes bad cus deez

[warm kettle]

I find the krak to be reliable as a delayed get-out-of-jail free card, albeit with shit AoE

like yes it blows up crushers but so does a bolter

[tall torrent]

Light stagger all enemies on blast
Block both bombers’ line of sight
All players inside smoke cloud have stamina gated at 100% and have x0% stamina cost

[sharp epoch]

krak is very meh cause you want anti armor melees anyways and they kill a crusher way faster

[warm kettle]

oh, the smoke staggers? I legit might consider it now

the krak works for me, shame it doesnt for you!

[tall torrent]

It does but the current stagger value is very low

[austere mica]

The stamina thing is interesting

[tall torrent]

It can’t interrupt melee elites

[austere mica]

Why

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah because if I was smoking that much my stamina would deplete 💀

[tall torrent]

I proposed this when I first made my vet tree rework draft

[orchid hemlock]

Nap time

😴

[austere mica]

I feel like it would make a good subnode if you hit the numbers a little

50% gate and like 25% total consumption

[orchid hemlock]

Make it so I one shot everything

[tall torrent]

The idea is:
melee players get infinite push attack and block inside smoke
And if you play deadshot, u can force it to work indefinitely on demand without major external investment

[warm kettle]

proposed change for krak grenades: give them the fuckoff loud beep that Call of Duty semtex has, so people waste them less D:

thats all id want

[tall torrent]

Nah, x0%

Basically make it a much more melee friendly version of bubble

(And a better version of bubble)

[austere mica]

It’s still stop consuming at 50 right

[tall torrent]

No

Cap 100%

[austere mica]

(With my proposal)

[tall torrent]

And x0%

If cap 50% that’s ok but not too different ultimately

Surely that’s gonna benefit the 3 AoN enjoyers out there

[austere mica]

100% just feels too high

[tall torrent]

So might as well cap 100%

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have toughness gain effect like bubble

It doesn’t have toughness gain modifier effect either

Remember, I said “at least” 3 major buffs

It could use more

[austere mica]

We’ll see

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1353390313929965609/1353410563236958278/image.png?ex=681b8f4f&is=681a3dcf&hm=4633b321fb8a79010ca48254bec29b6eef9d07cc5d8b15673db0cf3fe7b0ef1b&

[austere mica]

Depending on how zealot turns out after the makeover those might be entirely reasonable

[tall torrent]

This was the draft I had after talking with arthiio

[orchid hemlock]

Vet rework leak??????

[tall torrent]

It definitely won’t look like this

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

But arthiio said this was the first good vet tree proposal he saw

So maybe some parts could make their way in

[spark cipher]

Can't even do l4d2 funnies because no friendly fire

[warm kettle]

as long as I don't lose my support role

[austere mica]

Winning

[spark cipher]

Friendly fire havoc modifier

[orchid hemlock]

U can support the team by killing them

[warm kettle]

meanwhile in Vermintide 2...

O BLESSED SHOT

[tall torrent]

I’ve also had new ideas for some talents after making that draft

[spark cipher]

Getting those green circles and my teammates aren't gonna stop me

[warm kettle]

barrel is an honorary reject

MVP

[orchid hemlock]

Game is actually pvp

[sharp epoch]

field improv in the middle omg were being forced to be team
players 😫

[tall torrent]

Pay 1 point for the team for confirmed kill

[warm kettle]

kerillian main?? elf???

[tall torrent]

Like
For skirmisher I’d actually rather they make it slaughterer equivalent but talent

Give me +30%Tdmg from any 5 kills

Hell yea

[warm kettle]

you have to earn your right to kill your friends

its khorne's influence, ysee

Damn you, Chaos! shoots the zealot

[red robin]

I’d like skirmisher if it stacked up faster, and the decay timer started once you make an attack

Or even a 5 second delay to the decay timer

[warm kettle]

wait, how does it stack? is it like, X amount of time sprinting makes you hit with Y stacks when you stop?

[red robin]

Basically sprint for like a second and get a stack

[warm kettle]

oh I'd shorten that if given creative liberties

something to incentivize short bursts between packs

[red robin]

Yeah, it doesn’t factor the timing for sprint sliding

[tall torrent]

Nah just obliterate this sprinting stacking mechanic altogether

[red robin]

Which cancels the stacking ticks

[warm kettle]

I'd get if sliding didnt add to the stacks, but wiping them sounds rough

[tall torrent]

1 stack every full 1s spent sprinting

[warm kettle]

yeah thats REALLY slow

[tall torrent]

If u cancel that by any means before 1s, no new stack

[warm kettle]

I like the way this talent seems to have been intended but it's just too slow

[red robin]

Yeah

[warm kettle]

thats darktide in a nutshell lol

'this sounds cool but when you stop and consider, it kinda sucks??'

[red robin]

I personally like it, but it’s clunky to manage

[warm kettle]

reminds me of the one scattergun in tf2

[red robin]

It needs to feel seamless to maintain if you’re actively being mobility oriented

[warm kettle]

the one where you build up running speed and damage by running around as scout, but lose it if you jump or take damage

[candid agate]

baby face's blaster

[warm kettle]

I tend to conserve short bursts of sprinting and save stamina for melee

[red robin]

Like if it stacked during dodge sliding I’d love it

[sharp epoch]

SODAPOPPER

[warm kettle]

nah its baby face's

the sodapopper just builds a minicrit bar

[sharp epoch]

oh they changed baby face then

[red robin]

Also if sprint whilst reloading was baked in I’d like it moreso

[warm kettle]

no baby face's blaster was always a running gun...I think?

[red robin]

Or even omni-movement sprint

Like black ops 6

[sharp epoch]

it used to just stack on damage dealt then you just kept that speed, if you jumped you lost your speed stacks

[tall torrent]

If vet didn’t have the worst stamina management in the game it wouldn’t be as bad, it’ll just be mid at best

[warm kettle]

oh wait right, you got it for doing damage...

still my point stands

there's some particular weapon blessings that allow running reloads IIRC

I don't think they're 'meta'

[red robin]

Skirmisher inspires a fun movement shooter type of build, but in practice it’s clunky and anti-movement with its dissonant intent of just solely sprinting

[warm kettle]

yeah combat seldom allows for running around THAT long, or so I find

[tall torrent]

None

[red robin]

Like movement tech has many useful variables in combat, but skirmisher doesn’t reward full implementation of it

[warm kettle]

oh wait yeah, run n gun lets you SHOOT while sprinting nvm

[red robin]

Run and gun a fun blessing but it’s also clunky

Sprint sliding doesn’t count

[sharp epoch]

I think they should keep the flavor of skirmisher and do something with sprinting like reload on sprint or toughness regen or something

[warm kettle]

THIS BITES

[red robin]

I’d love if it were to count during sliding state

[warm kettle]

sprinting while reloading on that talent would be neat, and I dont think it'd be a 'must have'

it'd be USEFUL

[red robin]

15% close damage is rarely used unless I’m bolting directly towards something

[warm kettle]

close damage is further than you might think!

[red robin]

Like omni-sprinting movement would be so based

[sharp epoch]

close damage is like 20m its pretty huge

[red robin]

I mean close damage is only active during sprinting, doesn’t apply when you slide

[warm kettle]

the sliding thing does suck tho yeah

nerfed for styling

[red robin]

That’s what I’m saying

[sharp epoch]

nvm I think it's 13M

[red robin]

Movement shooter support in game design is such a fun option

Like payday 2 had it as an option

[warm kettle]

I think payday 2 got a little out there in terms of design

I wouldn't like darktide to go as far off the deepend as it did

[red robin]

running reload, hipfire sprint, and omni-movement skills were peak

[warm kettle]

in general I feel too floaty in that game, especially with movement stuff

[red robin]

The hood classic of sprint crouch jumping

The floaty mileage

[warm kettle]

the BLJ of payday (somehow, I forgot normal long jumping was a thing in SM64...)

the primal urge to hop on geometry

[red robin]

I know darktide should orient into one basket for combat design, but I like variety for gameplay styles

[warm kettle]

a basket can hold a lot of different kinds of stuff

[red robin]

Movement shooters are hella fun but I can see that it isn’t everyone’s cup of tea

[warm kettle]

like apples, and oranges, and bread, and hand grenades

darktide does have SOME variety, and I dont think more movements bad for a fun niche build

I just think payday 2 was kinda fucked feeling by the end of all things

[austere mica]

I think omnisprint would have legitimate balance issues in Darktide

[warm kettle]

Id rather play brink than payday 2 lol

[red robin]

Yeah

[austere mica]

Because you could kite at full speed and fight in melee or shoot

[warm kettle]

hear me out: capstone ability omni

[hollow ibex]

Well it’s 12.5, but scales down linearly past that until 30. So it’s still really damn far

[red robin]

Dodge sliding giggling in the corner

But that’s a super limited resource that depletes when spammed

[austere mica]

Dodge slides are 2 dodges a piece and have no active control mid maneuver

[warm kettle]

I just think if there were significant investments to do it, it wouldnt be too broken

perhaps additional, understated stamina costs

[red robin]

Sprint sliding backwards sounds hellish to balance and less resource dependant due to stamina being able to have its downsides removed by having sprint efficiency or more stamina

[warm kettle]

oh yeah no fuck backwards sprinting lol thats silly

hilarious to watch someone moonwalk at mach 10 though I'm sure, but kinda feels like it'd be too goofy

[red robin]

100%

[warm kettle]

strafing sprinting doesnt sound AWFUL

dumb idea: sprint slide backwards = diving leap to maximum grace

[red robin]

Even if the sprint speed was reduced on directions you aren’t facing just like how black ops 6 does it

I think

A lot of time and energy I’m wasting on a pipe dream balance nightmare that seems redundant to implement

[austere mica]

It would let you crab walk at gunners and take no damage

[red robin]

True

[warm kettle]

the pinnacle of evolution

[red robin]

Sprint sideways and dodge bullets whilst being able to hit back

Alas

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[tawny badger]

jump and press backwards at the same time to backflip

[red robin]

LMAO

Have a devil may cry style rank from D to SSS+ tier for how many 360 no scopes, backflips, perfect parries and successful dodges

[tawny badger]

do all that and get trapper netted

[red robin]

Die instantly and rage quit in shame

[candid agate]

why are LTs the most unbalanced shit in the whole game?

[narrow frost]

LT?

[austere mica]

Lieutenants

And half because they’re bugged right now

[signal cypress]

Darktide with movement mechanics like you mentioned or even anything like wall running would be absolutely peak

[warm kettle]

I haven't had any particular issues fighting the karnaks

[narrow frost]

how are they bugged>

the knockback insta kill?

[candid agate]

cant they just remove them for the time being while they fix them?

[tall torrent]

Captain sword combo was invisible for like 2 years and they didn’t fix it until very recently

I wouldn’t count on it

[candid agate]

damn that accursed shark

[tame lodge]

Sword Captain muhfuh

Ended my havoc run because he kept walking into us

[slow spade]

hell even the stuff they do fix isn't really fixed

like psword still deactivating when hit

[sharp epoch]

I think it breaks the combo which deactivates any psword charge

[thin minnow]

What weapons would fit an officer look?

A pistol and a chainsword?

[sharp epoch]

Most people rp with bolt pistol and chainsword

Also the focus target build

[tall torrent]

Power sword
Boltpistol, laspistol or revolver

[thin minnow]

Is there a long barrel revolver?

or something like a rapier

[tall torrent]

There is

It’s overpowered

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword for the rapier

[thin minnow]

That would look good

With uniform

[tall torrent]

But it’s not as good as power sword for veteran specifically

[thin minnow]

There is officer uniform looking fashion right?

[thin minnow]

It is alright I can make it work I suppose

[tall torrent]

You’d have to buy them when they’re in rotation

[thin minnow]

Of course

[tall torrent]

They’re ok

[tall torrent]

Not as good as actual soldier uniforms imo

[sharp epoch]

they have the comissar cap idk about that exact coat though

[thin minnow]

Nah not a fan of the comissar drip

I want something more like

https://tenor.com/view/krennic-look-of-superiority-signature-look-of-superiority-director-krennic-star-wars-krennic-krennic-gif-24416692

[tall torrent]

Veteran rogue trader outfit is pretty good

Unfortunately it clips with every other set lol

[thin minnow]

Lemme check all the premium stuff

[tall torrent]

U need a mod for that

[thin minnow]

Nah steam has forum posts listing them all

This is baller

Damn veteran has been hoarding all the cool stuff

Holy moly

Love these jackets

[tame lodge]

That's uh
Chem Addicted Dogs

It comes back every now and then

[thin minnow]

The color just sucks

These outfits are straight out of cod

Or metro

Or just ww2 lmao

Guess I will go with one of these 3 jackets

Nothing with the exact feel I am looking for

Like the navy officer outfit in rogue trader

[slow spade]

tbh I wish the outfits had more actual armor on them

[thin minnow]

This is cool tho, might just go for a post apocalyptic look

Just finished the metro series so I fw that

[tall torrent]

It’s armageddon steel legion

[thin minnow]

I won't look forward to any of them

Will just buy 7000 currency and pick whatever catches my eye

[tame lodge]

Have you seen the Blind Faith oath on zealot?

[thin minnow]

Yeah

What a silly idea

You can just lift up the paper

You can't even read it like that

So dumb

[tame lodge]

It's very comical

[thin minnow]

Just looking at it gives me a headache

[unreal nova]

Is there no wind at all in Warhammer 40k?

[thin minnow]

They ARE in space

[slow spade]

there's wind in the Warp

[hollow ibex]

My favorite cosmetic in the game

I just wished it was properly rendered in first person

[unreal nova]

Not when you are on a hive planet though. And man made wind is also possible. Stares at all the LARGE fans all around... Including that one death trap.

It just makes no sense, I expect it to flap around horribly so you are just half blind randomly.

[thin minnow]

Think the point is to be blind all the time

So they probably do blind themselves beforehand

But it should be mailed at the lower corners too yeah

[hollow ibex]

True

[unreal nova]

I guess this would work. to make it stay in place. It not flapping hilariously atm is a sin.

[lucid crest]

i got put into a game with 3 cadia veterans

[severe lark]

Happened to me but with ogryns

[boreal void]

Just unlocked my first Helbore lasgun. This is all I could think about.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/PzkqkQ.gif

[lucid crest]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/PzkqkQ.gif

[formal ice]

Thank you for making the IP grabber a GIF IP grabber

You are a savior