veteran-class

[lost frigate]

ok ty bro

[dry cloak]

thats graia vigil auto my dude

agrip is the 2rd burst one

[grand perch]

youre right of course

i meant graia

as in the screenshot

[unreal nova]

Aurics event maps usually.

Either vent purge or lights out... ALWAYS.

Has terribad luck.

[calm shard]

at least it's not pox gas

[unreal nova]

That's just havoc.

[cinder token]

two questions:

1. how do you use smoke grenades?
2. how do you use infiltrate and what subnodes do you take?

actually,
3) what is your favourite blessing combination for combat blade?

[unreal nova]

1. Throw at gunners/shooters. Or at the shooty twin to break his AI.

3. Flak/cara uncanny/flesh tearer.

Uncanny/mercykiller if serrated blade.

The only time I used infil, it ended up as budget shout. Pop in melee and bonk to suppress things. Lul.

[crimson pebble]

procog riposte also good combo

[unreal nova]

So don't do that lul.

[cinder token]

thanks!

[crimson pebble]

also if youre thinking of taking the tdr node for it dont if anything use the threat reduction or just use somewhere else

[cinder token]

not going to take it to aurics or anything, just having fun with trying something different
i've been playing voc+plasma for a week to get auric exemplar, I feel sick of it a bit

[unreal nova]

Don't use threat reduction if you plan to use it for revives though. You are just helping ppl into their next down at that point.

Rather than breaking it to suppress and half the aggro by taking some of it.

[crimson pebble]

also to note over zealot stealth vets infiltrate gives back all your toughness 4 free

[unreal nova]

If you plan to be the objective monkey/mule, take threat reduction to make it easier.

[cinder token]

something to think about, thanks

[tame lodge]

Stay inside the smoke

[warm idol]

kantrael or accatran laspistol?

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[warm idol]

also I want desperado + dumdum on it right?

[tame lodge]

Mk2

So accatran

[warm idol]

what about combat knife? they both seem pretty good

mk6 seems more appealing with the heavies for hordes

[tame lodge]

Mk6 is also slightly faster against single targets

So mk6>

[warm idol]

also isn't it a bit messed up how much the heavy sword sucks against armored enemies but the power sword can kill crushers while also being able to just clear hordes like no tomorrow?

and the dueling sword while not having amazing horde clear can just dance around everything

[unreal nova]

It needs activation. The power sword is a pool noodle unactivated.

[warm idol]

true

[tame lodge]

Well
Lore accurate power weapon

[warm idol]

yeah I prefer having it be actually strong instead of hitting like a fart

the funny power field

[crimson pebble]

i hope and pray they rework vets p sword one day

[warm idol]

I wonder if changing it to work like the relic blade will be a nerf

since with power sword you can just

keep charging and slicing

with no breaks

but it will prolly feel better to play with if they rework it and buff the uncharged attacks

since it's still a sword

[crimson pebble]

with its current dmg itd absolutely be a buff but id suspect theyd lower some of its dmg if they gave it relic like heat mechanic

[warm idol]

and I imagine it's a well crafted one at that

[hollow ibex]

I mean it’s only three swings

[warm idol]

yeah but you can just block cancel the full anim

[hollow ibex]

And then you have to recharge

It’s still a break

And then there’s mark iii that can’t even block cancel

[crimson pebble]

i stll think they should give zeal crusher and ogryn power maul power cycler 4 the funnies

[warm idol]

poor mark 3 just got powercrept

mark 6 handles hordes with it's lights

has the push attack into overhead combo to smash single targets

like there's no reason to pick mk3

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

And mk6 has built in increased sprint efficiency

[crimson pebble]

you could maybe argue a thurst and sunder mk3 build but even then its not exactly great

[hollow ibex]

Just salt in the wound for Mk 3

[warm idol]

the real question is when they are gonna rework vet

is it wrong to say that at least compared to ogryn (the other class I play) vet feels kinda weak at times?

[crimson pebble]

i mean vet was the first of th 4 to get sweeping class changes so erm inbetween ages and never

[warm idol]

it's still my fav class

[warm idol]

considering fatsharks speed

maybe in 40000 years

[crimson pebble]

if anything id like if theyd shorten the tree as vet has some of the heaviest point taxs imo

[warm idol]

i'd be fine with that

[unreal nova]

Just make some stuff baseline. Like what Oggy got.

[sharp epoch]

ogryns busted af the balancing is way off there, easiest class to play and strongest

[unreal nova]

They are clearly overtuned atm.

[hollow ibex]

What was it?

I just remember them fucking up the tree

[crimson pebble]

fleshing out the rest of the tree and you know adding keystones

[hollow ibex]

And then not releasing keystones

Cuz they forgot

Then they went back to add keystones

So it’s more like they never finished the tree until later

[pseudo fiber]

They then compressed it down

[hollow ibex]

Yeah basically a hotfix

[unreal nova]

This is compressed???

[pseudo fiber]

Then tag the keystones on teh bottom

[hollow ibex]

Cursed

[pseudo fiber]

that's what keystone launch looked like

[unreal nova]

Joke is, doesn't look too diff. Traded some for keystone nodes lul.

[hollow ibex]

Looking forward to the actual vet rework in 2027

[sharp epoch]

fatshark hate vet or something why were they the only ones without keystones 😭

[pseudo fiber]

because the og keystones were weapon based

power sword, plasma an dbolter iirc

[blazing cargo]

What are good melee options for havoc? Is weapon specialist good also?

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword, DS4 and yes

[sharp epoch]

DS4 if you want to improve survivabillity, powersword is if you want to round out your teams hordeclear

[blazing cargo]

I hate power sword, is rashad still good?

[sharp epoch]

Rashad's fine, the main reason for the other two choices is for boss/armor spam of havoc

[hollow ibex]

Prob better off learning to love power sword

[limber frost]

Guys how feasible is a Double Barrel+Knife Infiltration build?

[sharp epoch]

DB choice is fine, infil is questionable, what role are you trying to fill with that build?

[limber frost]

Like from an Elite/Special killer to Boss viability? I’m not entirely sure for the most part. I just want to get off Voice of Command tbh.

And executioner stance is kinda eh, with double barrel from my experience

[tame lodge]

Power Sword

Uh

Power Sword

And uh

Power Sword

[grand perch]

nothing wrong with infil

[trim badger]

Never wrong with using knife/ds4

But powersword is really good

So yeah any of those 3 should do

[spark cipher]

I mean if you want to run a shotgun focus like that you may as well go point blank barrage ogryn

bit more tailored for shotguns

[blazing cargo]

I dont like pushing the button on ps saar

[limber frost]

Damn, shame I don’t really vibe with Ogryns T^T love em, but don’t really like playing as em if you feel me.

[crimson pebble]

one of my favorite builds for vet but youre kind of screwed into having to run kraks or smokes

aswell as arguably the worse aura

[gilded wraith]

Just be prepared for reddit bros to give you build criticism if you play anything other than shout. Anyone that gets netted, dogged, or blown off the map will also attribute it to your selection of Infiltrate before rage quitting 🤔

[candid agate]

gunner ogryn with rumbler is fun

[sharp epoch]

DB as a special killer is really unreliable same for ranged elites because long range ones will take too many shots to kill or your running all the way to them

And for boss killing it's actually harder to fight most bosses without their aggro on you because their weakspots are always faced away (except BoN ofc)

Infil in general is kinda worthless, it doesn't add any meaningful stats or value unless you want to spend a lot of node tax. The only use is like for clutches I guess and aggrodumping on your team instead of you

[gilded rock]

That sounds like a fun build to me

Run Weapon Specialist with it most likely

The toughness on stack swap will let you dive and approach ranged fire too, love that with DB

[quick seal]

is Shock Trooper viable?

All I see is plasma guns

but I like my recon lasgun. I want to know if it is viable before I heavily invest in it and then take it to havoc

[candid agate]

its viable if u have a crit build

[gilded rock]

Recon shock trooper is great

Focus Target is the best keystone for it I'd say

[quick seal]

thoughts on the recon lasgun? When rolling for a recon lasgun, which stat should I dump, and which perks/blessings am I looking for?

[gilded rock]

Haven't played with it in Havoc but don't see why it wouldn't perform well

[gilded rock]

Shite I forgot, haven't used one in a good bit

Dumdum and headhunter I believe are good blessings for it

And you dump Collateral

Can also do Headhunter Infernus

[devout wedge]

is the cheese for on on overwatch and untouchable still real?

[devout wedge]

Where the vet kills himself and doesn't get rezzed and at the end gets the two penances

[heavy rover]

i use shocktroop on a mk iib infantry las build with deadshot. Even on havoc I don't find myself desparate for ammo. If anything I spend more time offering it to my teammates

[tall torrent]

collateral dump
dum dum + infernus
flak + crit chance/unyielding

[quick seal]

try to get collateral as low as possible and get high as possible everything else. Am I understanding this correctly?

what does collateral do on a recon lasgun, again?

[tall torrent]

collateral dump to 60%

[tall torrent]

stagger and suppression

it doesn't change its stagger breakpoints

[quick seal]

OK cool. I'll try to reroll it to hit 60%

[quick seal]

collateral's a dumb name for that, then. I thought collateral would be like, about shooting through targets. Like a collateral in COD or something

[tall torrent]

yea well

[balmy flume]

Just 3 more
Just 3 more for Lights Out penance
Then I don’t have to voluntarily touch a power supply outage map ever again lol

Still have to farm Ventilation Purge and pox gas afterwards…

[cinder token]

i like lights out, it's like playing new maps (because I don't recognize anything in the dark)

[balmy flume]

Fair enough, but farming for it means I have been playing the condition non stop 😅

Usually I just join a random map

Last one

[orchid hemlock]

Which recon? 🤔

[tall torrent]

VIc

[orchid hemlock]

Wait infernus is good now on the VLc

[tall torrent]

Has been?

[heavy rover]

it is?

[quick seal]

this is the "god roll"?

[orchid hemlock]

No I thought u put it on XII

[lusty ether]

Been testing out the shock maul more.

[tall torrent]

I don’t like XII

[lusty ether]

It's not useless.

[quick seal]

🫡 thx steam guide wip

[quick seal]

I'm looking at dum dum + infernus rn. are there any other particular blessings i'm looking for, if I'm doing Shock Trooper (i.e., any that are crit-focused). Or are dum dum + infernus still the best, in that context

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

[quick seal]

what about Sustained Fire? I am shooting second, third, and fourth shots quite often

oh I think I am misinterpreting the description

this blessing only works if you fire in burst

[tame lodge]

Yup yup

[balmy flume]

Right Lights out got.
Now I just need to figure out how to get another 10 track points for something…
Then upgrade all the weapons remaining…
Thus, finally, completing the full penance track.

[ember coyote]

Im trying to get higher lvl gear, but im only getting 320 dmg. How do I get hire gear?

[uncut pebble]

Gear rolls low because you're supposed to empower it at Hadron.

[ember coyote]

I don't think I'll get to a 500 item by upgrading a 290 item

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-grabbing-zoom-yellow-stare-gif-25084978

[hollow ibex]

the power level is worthless anyway

all you care about is the max empowered stats

and whether you have the right combination of them

[ember coyote]

Cute gif

[orchid hemlock]

whats the mod that lets you play any maelstrom?

[tame lodge]

Many More Tries?

[limber frost]

Guys am I crazy or does Demolition Team + Tactical Awareness with Infiltrate and Smoke seem good?

Just dropping all the smoke

[slow spade]

I find it pretty eh because you need to be in coherency for demo team

[limber frost]

You don't count as always in coherency with yourself? Or is coherency only counted with 2 people?

[narrow frost]

but it also counts for yourself

[slow spade]

yeah but you're not getting the coherency kills from allies

[narrow frost]

so?

rule #1 is never trust teammates

[limber frost]

This is assuming you're the one just mobbing and assassinating all the elites in the smoke yourself

[narrow frost]

the heretics die when their hp goes to 0

[unreal nova]

If they help, it's nice. If they actually watch your back to a degree, you watch theirs to a degree.

[limber frost]

My friends suck at this game and just do mob clear because they don't want to be assed to learn how to identify and eliminate priority targets

They're the ttype of turn off their brain and press button kind of players

Can't bring them anywhere higher than barely beating Heresy difficulty

so the whole theology of the idea is making it so that I can just keep them covered with smoke while I'm infiltrating and just selectively attacking specials/elites

[sharp epoch]

If your friend are like that itd be better to run shout to help them 😭

infiltrate kinda makes it even harder on them

[limber frost]

They can handle themselves against the horde, but once a few gunners start raining down the las fire they start getting chewed up. They struggle against the melee specials but they at least know how to block and sidestep enough to survive until I can help them.

[unreal nova]

Still, shout is generally better to help them with a buffer. If you are killing all the specials already, you get a really high uptime on it. Stealth will just throw more aggro on them, including ranged stuff aggro. And with Born leader, you will basically always ensure they get to gold toughness if they get into trouble.

[mental smelt]

I've gotta ask, what's the obsession with the recon lasgun? I really feel like I'm missing something. Personally I just have a better time with the Infantry autogun.

[austere mica]

Extreme ammo economy plus virtually no recoil, access to Infernus, and pretty good damage

Iag does better damage but muches ammo

[tame lodge]

While it can operate without Onslaught, try with it

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/people-die-if-they-are-gif-20318194

[frank basin]

Someone modded this sound kantrael

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079235834777186406/1368800332267917312/shotgun.mp4?ex=68198a26&is=681838a6&hm=5659840ad1d95ce993e513ce4220afd6e7a64126d157d431096e6546451001f3&

[potent imp]

would 68 therm 72 charge work for the plasma

[loud belfry]

fuk u

[tame lodge]

Go into sikanium
From 0 to 100 heat see if it's 8 shots

[potent imp]

it got the bug and went to 69 72

should be good

[loud belfry]

oh

didn't know that still happened

[unreal nova]

No, Do in a live game.

Just start a solo sedation.

[loud belfry]

what's even the point

[unreal nova]

Local server and live servers round differently.

[tame lodge]

Like the stamina curio

[unreal nova]

More or less.

[vast rivet]

Helbore

Oops

[grand perch]

look at those mofos t-posing in spawn

their smug posure mocks me

[bold trench]

Aren't they just posted up looking different directions?

[loud belfry]

isn't that just two people on top of each other aiming different...yes

[frank basin]

Yeah

It happen like that

[austere mica]

Thought that was a broken muzzle flash

[grand perch]

so youre telling me they made a concerted group effort to t-pose me?

thats even worse

[frank basin]

Yes

I think it’s auto mod thing give red name

[bold trench]

Wonder when I'll see a Zealot named "Taxe-Collector"

[grand perch]

thats...what i should have named my zealot

[bold trench]

Veterans named "Krak-Dealer" are always a treat

[frank basin]

Krak-dealer

[bold trench]

Just go rename them, unless you'reBRRRRROKE

[frank basin]

“Broke kraker alert”

[bold trench]

That or Krak-Head

[frank basin]

Hehe krak-head

[bold trench]

But that's more Ogryn-adjacent

[frank basin]

Kra’ ade

[bold trench]

Despite Ogryn names that aren't single syllable being HERESY

Thelonius gets a pass

[loud belfry]

Rock Slinging Slasher

for ogryn

probably too many characters

[bold trench]

Also no space requirement

[frank basin]

We can use -

[bold trench]

15 char I believe

[loud belfry]

my name is 16 chars so

[bold trench]

Walk up to a level 500 Ogryn in prison garb named ROCK-THROW-DEAD

Is it 16?

[frank basin]

17 perhaps

It’s 18

[bold trench]

Yeah that makes sense now, my Psyker is named CRASH-THREE-WARPED

[frank basin]

I named my psyker “Exiled-Sorcerer”

[bold trench]

Waiting for them to buff Venting Shriek modifiers so I can change to Unchained-Sienna

[frank basin]

Sound dope

Too bad is cone shape

[bold trench]

I want the damaging modifier to change it to a radius, and fry the fuck out of anything in groping distance

[frank basin]

You can mod change psyker venting shriek sound to reverb fart

It would be nice

[bold trench]

Right now my mod has it to a DBZ deathfire blast

[frank basin]

Kek lovely

[bold trench]

Reverb fart is the death sound

[frank basin]

Ooh sweet

[bold trench]

Of course it's all modular by the user by just replacing the audio file

[frank basin]

Aye

[bold trench]

Already have the dog doing silly stuff, might make Trappers have fnf car's voice

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-stare-gif-9584871492475656015

Oh that's just great

[frank basin]

Talking about mod I did making

Tf2 mvm custom bot

Did I told you last time?

[bold trench]

Yea

[frank basin]

I think I did

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-stare-gif-9584871492475656015

[frank basin]

okay thanks lamb

[frank basin]

Oh shit

[rough stream]

So i have a 71 thermal resist and 69 charge rate plasma but it’s supposed to be the other way around. Does it matter too much so long as I still get 8 shots off before overheat ?

[frank basin]

It’s a good roll

Perfect one

[narrow frost]

I don't think it reaches the 8 shot Breakpoint

but you do want 71-72 charge

[frank basin]

So it still 7 shot?

[unreal nova]

It does? 71 Thermal is more than 68-69.

[narrow frost]

idk

[unreal nova]

It's a waste, but if you don't wanna go crazy, it should work

[potent imp]

so i got it, good to know

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[bold trench]

I'm afraid if I touch the plasma, I'll never go back to my beloved Vrak IAG

[frank basin]

There’s guy like Vigilant

[bold trench]

Vigilant has too high a floor and not enough flexibility

Also no Stripped Down, which I love dearly

I want it on Vigilants so bad

[frank basin]

Aye

Plasma is too much for gamble for perfect roll

[bold trench]

Demoman_Initiates_High_Five sounding response

[supple stag]

I've wasted 3.5 mil dockets to get a perfect plasma roll iirc

[soft river]

What are the best perks for Plasma?

[frank basin]

Unarmored/flak

[soft river]

I though it was flak/maniac

[frank basin]

One shotting dreg gunner if built correctly

[bold trench]

Bling and Danger Close

[frank basin]

Well read the pinned guide

If you want make sure

Flak is the most use

[soft river]

I'm tempted to go unyielding

[frank basin]

Pick if you want it

If doubt the performance, the guide help you

The dude here said the plasma isn’t good for boss dps

[soft river]

But I have bring it down probs not necesary

[soft river]

autogun go brrrrr

[frank basin]

Iirc he mention something bring it down is either he said bad or meh

[hollow ibex]

yeah plasma boss damge is meh

[bold trench]

Unless it achieves Ogryn thresholds prob not worth

[soft river]

No where else to go really tbh

[bold trench]

Used to run blazing Gunlugger to delete bosses, wonder what the DPS diff is like after the nerf

What's your tree

[soft river]

I would say it deletes monster but mission boss it aint good against

[bold trench]

Can't grab Weakspot it Close damage on ability?

[frank basin]

Congratulations you got red name @bold trench

[bold trench]

Bruh lmao

[frank basin]

Monster is hard to delete unless you do headshot dmg

With most buff stacks dmg like stimm and ES

And constant headshotting

To achieve good dps

But you have 7-8 shot

[soft river]

Fair

[bold trench]

There's gotta be something better than Take it Down, Vet is loaded with good talents

[frank basin]

I test on ogryn boss with blessing combination @soft river

[frank basin]

20% dmg against monstrosity is okay for Vrak IAG

Achieving on headshot kill very fast

[soft river]

I'm running gets hot and rising heat

[frank basin]

Optimized cooling increase your light attack count

From 7-8 to 11-12

[soft river]

I got rid of stam node for marksman

[bold trench]

Don't see much marksman when weapon mastery is so good

[soft river]

Is killzone any good?

[bold trench]

Not taking melee hits for bonus base ranged is good

Did you post your talents?

[soft river]

no

one sec

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok

[bold trench]

The 1.2x Weakspot multiplier on ability use is slept on

[bold trench]

You getting a lot of value from Exhilarating Takedown?

[soft river]

I proc it alot

[bold trench]

I feel like Out for Blood + that juicy 5% move speed node is better in more situations

[soft river]

Eh, if I wanted to be fast I'd switch to zealot lol

[bold trench]

Unless you aren't nading a bunch, demo team might be better than Take it Down

You could get rid of the 8 stack keystone modifier and grab Reciprocity or the +15% Close damage talents

[soft river]

I can live without nades, I dont spam them unless there's a crazy patrol or a boss

[surreal wedge]

How bad are the high-level veteran penances (On Overwatch, etc) with a group that knows what its doing?

Like, is it worth it?

They look genuinely terrible for both the person doing them and the group they're in.

[frank basin]

It need lfg if you hate pub didnt protecting you

[bold trench]

Taunt Ogryn buddy helping you makes it really easy

[frank basin]

Yup

[surreal wedge]

I honestly don't wanna attempt them because it feels like I'm screwing over my team.

[surreal wedge]

Already a good start, thanks for the idea.

[narrow frost]

I can cheese it for you if you need

[soft river]

I think I'm stuck between killzone and marksman

[bold trench]

I'm pretty sure if you grab the Close Damage talent, you can one shot Ragers w/ DS without any blessing assistance

[soft river]

DS?

[frank basin]

There’s the cat told Catch a breath and Kill Zone get deactivate if you get hit with melee blocking

[bold trench]

Duelling Sword

[soft river]

Oh

[bold trench]

Catch a Breath gets disabled if enemies are just near you

[frank basin]

It changed

[bold trench]

I mean target

[frank basin]

It changed to not melee hit get benefit

[bold trench]

If they attempt a swing it goes

I thought killzone was changed to only getting hit disables

[frank basin]

It does too

But only melee hit

Both of them need melee hit to disable

[bold trench]

Isn't it disabled the same way T Regen is now?

Says target, not hit like Kill Zone

[frank basin]

This cat said it @bold trench

Wait wrong one

I remember he said it deactivated on blocking

@bold trench yeah this one more properly

[frank basin]

The cat is the turbo nerd anyway

[bold trench]

Yeah I wonder why they worded it diff

[frank basin]

Who this guy made?

It is Path?

The cat trying make guide in steam now

[bold trench]

Kuli

[potent imp]

Also someone just tested it, that has 8 shots for some reason

[signal cypress]

71 69 works

[bold trench]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[tame lodge]

That's Kuli's

[frank basin]

So path haven’t establish the guide

[bold trench]

Inshallah those guides are good

[soft river]

Thanks for the help

Think I will do marksman

[frank basin]

i love sethical

[bold trench]

I wonder what the use rate is on the Accatran shotgun

I hardly see anyone with ANY shotgun

[frank basin]

they said Cshotgun are not great

but still viable

[bold trench]

I might push that mod update to live, but if it ain't being used I could wait until I get more hooks established

[frank basin]

put on nexus they might try it

but it would conflict with pewpew

pewpew mod thing

[bold trench]

Yeah only if someone decided to put shotgun_3 firing sound over another weapon

[frank basin]

probably no one download pewpew

i means few does

and the zealot chat is back to shenanigan

[cobalt lance]

Veteran needs more guns

Weak class

Where is meltagun

[frank basin]

inside nurgle soup pot

[cobalt lance]

I will reach inside

And pull it out

Emperor bids me

Eww it's just poop

An endless ocean of poop

Emperor save me

[unreal nova]

I mean, couldn't you tell from whatever the heck is spewing forth from those Nurglites?

[cobalt lance]

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A POT

NOT A COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS OF ALL THE PHONES DROPPED INTO THE TOILET

[sullen jackal]

why am i somehow learning about skibidi lore here

[tame void]

historians will 100% skip our generation

italian brainrot, skibidi toilet

we are so cooked

[grand perch]

There has always been brainrot

[limber frost]

Like Egyptians and cats

[wanton vapor]

I don’t think vet necessarily needs new guns

They’re definitely due for one, but if they just reworked shotguns it might be better

[supple laurel]

once.. upon a time.. there was an ancient civilization known as the skibidi sigmas...

[visual remnant]

The itsy bitsy sigma climbed up the rizzler spout

[uncut pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[supple laurel]

down came the betas and drove the sigma out

anyone know why i cant hit the breakpoint to oneshot combo a crusher with powersword?

[grand perch]

Wrong combo

[supple laurel]

whats the combo for it?

[grand perch]

Push attack into light attack on head

Also please take reciprocity on the right it's great

[supple laurel]

oh so push then light?

.

oh i pathed wrong

thanks for point that out

[grand perch]

Push attack is a stab after the push, then another light attack will do a strike down that finishes him off

[supple laurel]

yeah i found it

stabby stabby then slashy slashy its head

ty

[grand perch]

You now hold TRUE POWER (as long as you don't get hit and lose charge while you're doing it)

[supple laurel]

(happens too much)

[supple laurel]

might have to use this or spend 2 million on a perf

cryinng yeah im done

[queen sky]

that's rough buddy

mine's 62/78

[supple laurel]

i can live with minus 2% damage honestly

its almost a perfect roll

itll be fine

[queen sky]

but you'll know

[supple laurel]

damage might go up if i consecrate it

i got a 79 thermal 61 charge i hate this game

[dawn garnet]

can someone explain the logic behind unarmored perk on plasma gun

[elder fiber]

Kill unarmoured better

[dawn garnet]

what breakpoints does it have exactly?

[supple laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1129176478257524876/1273356200171536455/attachment.gif?=&width=735&height=960

what do i run on plasma

perks and blessings

[dawn garnet]

dawg just run elite flak blaze away+whatever

[dawn garnet]

tank u

@supple laurel

here either go unarmored maniac or flak elite

[supple laurel]

uhhhh

bulwarks are flak right

what little armor they have

im just using the gun to get through bulwark shields

😭

[normal bay]

Wut

Bulwarks are unyielding

[supple laurel]

dont they have armor though

[normal bay]

With some carapace on their shoulders

[supple laurel]

on theyre shoulder

oh its carapace

alr

okay what about blessings

isnt it gets hot and something else

[normal bay]

You have options iirc, check the Vet PDF in pins

[queen sky]

yeah the only ogryn enemy with armour on their heads is the Crusher

bulwarks and the gunner boys have Unyielding heads

i'm looking at numbers in the meat grinder and it looks like Plasma Gun has worse headshots than Zarona Revolver?

is the benefit of the PG the insane penetration?

[normal bay]

Big mag, ammo efficiency, crit multiplier

Infinite cleave

Pen through cover

[queen sky]

ah ok, so PG skews a bit more towards horde clearing than the Zarona?

better ammo economy and cleave means you can fire into crowds and not waste ammo?

[deep bone]

Bruh the Single Shot Vigilant Autogun actually fucks

[queen sky]

yeah the slug is amazing

[deep bone]

Haven’t used it in ages and decided to try it

[queen sky]

oh wait autogun

yes that rocks too

[deep bone]

Actually popping heads

[queen sky]

it's the zippiest and most responsive of the marksman rifles

[deep bone]

Fatshark give it a scope please

I would be so happy

[queen sky]

they won't even give the hellbore a sight but the infantry lasgun does

it's never getting one

[deep bone]

I wish we could customise the weapons ourselves

Give it a scope and a bayonet

[queen sky]

agreed, though if you're dead set there are mods for that

goddamnit

my zarona build currently does ~2650 damage on a fully-charged headshot... 50 short of one-shotting a Crusher on Heresy

[supple laurel]

if it cant oneshot on damnation it doesnt matter imo

unless heresy is your main played difficulty

[queen sky]

currently it is

in the past week i think i've found my sea legs there

i'm using Mk.13 chainsword for horde clear and the Zarona for precision removal

i wanted to keep using BP but unfortunately it keeps needing too many shots to kill specials and elites

a crit Zarona setup is simply too good of a railgun

[manic drift]

Anyone got a vet revolver build for fun?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205/reeeevolver-crusher-deleter

if you want to go full meme...

and one-shot crushers

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[vernal ermine]

Dods somebody know how much damaged the base krak grenade does?

[calm shard]

it's actually quite garbage

here on one of the karnak twins who are flak armor you can see a krak does fuck all damage

[spark cipher]

ohh if you have the damage number of blitzs, can I see brain rupture?

[dawn garnet]

@tall torrent https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/getting-significantly-better-performance-in-offline-games-than-online-ones/107633

do you have better fps in offline games?

[tall torrent]

I don’t play true solo

[calm shard]

It's likely because of the games anti cheat

When you're playing solo offline the servers don't have to check to see if every action you do is valid

[dawn garnet]

u dont have to play to try it

[dawn garnet]

the anticheat would still run even if its offline

@rotund tartan EGG confirm pls

even if the game itself isnt hosted on fs servers you still need internet to log in

[calm shard]

it can't be running though because solo play QoL mod allows you to just teleport

[tall torrent]

Meat grinder does run better than online matches

[calm shard]

and doing that in an online game has you rubberband right back to where you started

[dawn garnet]

im pretty sure its still running the server just force syncs you to where you were

tbh in general instead of anticheat i think they should just use death squads

[vernal ermine]

Was this with grenade tinkerer?

[hollow ibex]

that's actually super fucked

i feel like if you want meaningful boss damage on krak

you need tinkerer+red stimm+grenadier

[tough tiger]

Or just petition fatshark to buff krak

[bold trench]

Krak getting 4 uses and quick-throw would be awesome

[calm shard]

no, but it doesn't make it much better

kraks have extremely bad boss damage

the only thing they're good for is bulwarks

any other option will be faster and more efficient than them for every other thing you'd want to throw them at

[tough tiger]

Makes no sense they're bad at boss dmg

[calm shard]

they are my vote for the worst blitz in the entire game

Brain Burst narrowly being better because it has KF

[tough tiger]

Considering kraks are used to remove tanks and space marines if u can hit one

[bold trench]

just pressing G to instadelete a bulwark instead of doing the ritual of pulling it out first

[calm shard]

kraks are so bad

[vernal ermine]

Well i don't know if i had "brin it down" in my build but the base krak delt around 10% heald thamage to All bosses

[calm shard]

like here a krak sticking and then detonating on a crusher

1770 dps

or I can save myself the time, and the grenade by just doing this

[calm shard]

excellent point

here's 2 plague ogryns

one of them I threw a krak at, the other I swung at 3 times with my power sword

can you tell which is which

This is with grenade tinkerer btw

[vernal ermine]

1. John warhammer
2. The Power sword did THAT

[calm shard]

Kraks are really bad

same comparison this time swinging 3 times with a combat axe

do you see how little the difference is between the damge of these extremely limited krak grenades and just swinging your melee weapon a few times?

[grand perch]

however one is safer and will stagger them

[vernal ermine]

I wish krak were more powerfull

[gilded rock]

Chaining BBs is neat because it can one shot any non-ogryn elite for no peril and gives great toughness regen while doing so

[grand perch]

doesnt change that kraks do that too

[rotund tartan]

they turned off anticheat

all enemies in solo play run locally

[gilded rock]

If we're talking about from a game-health and design standpoint, smite is probably the worst blitz

Performance-wise, probably BB

[calm shard]

BB is better than kraks

[spark cipher]

chaining brainbursts causes no peril? are we talking about the same blitz?

[gilded rock]

BB FORCES you to build around it

[calm shard]

doesn't eat into grenade economy, and it has KF which lets you use it automatically

[vernal ermine]

Kinda disagree but who am i to judge

[gilded rock]

Pigeonholes you into taking a keystone to even be usable

[vernal ermine]

But veteran cant use bb

[gilded rock]

Grenade regen is in every single vet build I use because it's so accessible

[calm shard]

You get 2 krak grenades

[spark cipher]

i know about ep, but bb by itself def does not cause no peril buildup

[calm shard]

without grenadier

[gilded rock]

With the keystone that you need to take for it to be a usable option it can do that

[calm shard]

and they do absolute dogshit damage without grenade tinkerer

[gilded rock]

They one shot whatever they attach to other than monstros and stagger every other armor around it

That's plenty for me

[calm shard]

hey crazy shredders stagger armor too

and do more damage to everything other than that one guy the krak is stuck on

[gilded rock]

I didn't say shredders were worse

[calm shard]

while also killing most trash enemies around them

[gilded rock]

I said kraks were better than BB

Ofc shredders are silly

[calm shard]

Also worth noting that stagger is a light stagger

[tall torrent]

Worst is ogryn box still
Drops frames

[calm shard]

So they stumble for .2 seconds and then immediately go back to fighting you

Except now they have stagger resistance so you can't open a bulwark or stagger crushers/maulers out of their overhead because of it

[spark cipher]

well aware you need to go all in on warp, take both bb point taxes, and EP to make it remotely worthwhile

[tall torrent]

Krak is usually heavy stagger

[spark cipher]

[tall torrent]

On whatever it sticks to

Stagger does decrease from center to edge

[gilded rock]

For me it usually heavy staggers the pack members around it too

The displacement still breaks up how they approach you in either situation

Kraks could be better but at least they're not BB

[calm shard]

I don't see it in this improbably dense ball of crushers

[spark cipher]

you know what else staggers bosses?
ogryn rocks on weakspot hit

[gilded rock]

Love ogryn rocks

Probably my favorite blitz

[gilded rock]

Now you can pick them off better while they're staggered or at least purchase more space

If you approach that with BB you get flattened because BB's dodge count is horrible and it'd wear out your keystone charges after the first two so it'd take longer and force you to need to quell

Granted I could be wrong about heavy stagger to nearby non-sticks but I swear I've seen it plenty back when I used it

[calm shard]

Though I guess Kraks would at least kill one or two of them on the first 2 thrwos

but then you'd have no grenades and if you don't have another way to kill armor you die

[spark cipher]

So what I end up doing is fully charged voidblast first, which softens them enough to kill in one EP bb

of course needing all that prep just for the strongest version of BB to deal with a crusher in one use 🔥

[sharp epoch]

BB is still pretty good and gives psyker a long range tool that kills most specials in one shot

kraks on the other hand, does almost the same damage as a couple melee swings, the only useful part is the guaranteed heavy stagger on bosses

[trim coral]

best talents and blessings, and mark for sapper shovel?

[tame lodge]

Maniacs + Flak/Carapace
Uncanny Strike + Skullcrusher/Decimator

For mk1

Mk7 is Carapace + Flak
Uncanny Strike + Decimator/Thrust

[trim coral]

is mk3 not recommended then

[tame lodge]

Comparatively
Mk3 is only better at anti armor, sucks at everything else

Mk1 is pretty safe
Mk7 is pretty similar to mk1 but instead of being safe, it has a better time dealing with Heavy armor

[red robin]

mk7 has the better weapon special but the impale state can get you killed, basically single target nuke for carapace if you optimize for it

the mk3 is kinda like a in then out impale on special

but the best shovel special attack is the sapper shovel

stagger mutants on headshot and gore em

nutty with skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

They’re all called sapper shovel

[faint beacon]

If they could give the CS Rev cancel mechanic to the Sapper foldable variants it would feel much better to use imo

Mk1 is just better in every way

[brittle turtle]

People still arguing smokes are relevant when shredders exist

^ this is a screenshot, not me saying it btw

Why is still an argument, though. Shredders are above the best aura in the game too.

[tame lodge]

What is bro cooking

🗣️

[brittle turtle]

random thread where people discuss smokes, with people still praising it over shredders somehow

[tall torrent]

Smoke needs at least 3 buffs

[brittle turtle]

extinguish fire+ cancel pox gas+ actually make gunners stop firing

[tall torrent]

Nah

Light stagger every enemy
Block LoS of bombers
x0 stamina cost inside smoke cloud

[brittle turtle]

stamina cost one is kinda weird, no ?

[tall torrent]

Why

[brittle turtle]

I dont see why smokes would have that effect

[tall torrent]

Give it a niche

For melee that’s infinite push attack

For ranged that’s infinite deadshot

[brittle turtle]

melee users would rather infinite melee attack, I wager

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons have very useful push attacks

[brittle turtle]

as set ups, yeah, but you're not gonna spam them

ogryns, for exemple, with pickaxes, only need one push attack to start their combo

[normal bay]

That would be nuts with shield though

[brittle turtle]

Yeah but then you'd want the shield to step outside the smoke to taunt all the gunners

[tall torrent]

No??

[orchid hemlock]

Yes.????

Maybe?????

Idk

[normal bay]

Not if there are things to krump inside the smoke

[tall torrent]

The only pickaxe that needs to PA combo start is branx and only for horde

Karsolas loops PA for single target

With a PA that can stagger crushers

[orchid hemlock]

Btw speaking of Ogryn, I'm wondering which weapons benefits a lot from Dominate 🤔

[tall torrent]

Besides this is only looking at weapons that don’t push atk as much and entirely ignoring the ones that do

Knife
Crusher
Power sword

x0 stamina cost also means infinite blocking and no guard break

[sharp epoch]

make it like an impact grenade too, the fuse is pretty long when you really need it

[tall torrent]

Cleaver
Slab shield (kinda)

That’s about it

[hollow ibex]

That would be pretty cool actually

[normal bay]

I never really use dominate. I think brittle on push is better on shield personally

[sharp epoch]

its gonna break deadshot recon build 🤯

[tall torrent]

Deadshot as a whole needs additional support to be useful

[brittle turtle]

dominate has a generous length

[tall torrent]

So just make smoke that support

It’s not complicated

[brittle turtle]

10 seconds is a lot

[tall torrent]

Dominate doesn’t matter too much most of the time

[sharp epoch]

they should really just add grenade subnodes like ogryn instead of tinkerer

[normal bay]

10s of not really benefitting you isn't a lot lol

[sharp epoch]

10% rending just isnt a lot especially if its not 100% uptime

[brittle turtle]

I mean, it matters a bit if you stand at the front line bonking ragers, maulers and crushers

not saying its a life changer but it does help

[normal bay]

Not if you kill them in 2 hits anyway

Which a lot of Ogryn weapons will on a melee build

[brittle turtle]

If you use the debuff stick, its quite efficient since you also apply brittleness

[calm shard]

the rending is really more useful for weapons that are bad at killing armor

to make your bleed do more damage to them

[tall torrent]

Very little

Rending mainly benefits attacks with low inherent ADMs against specific armor types

Which for ogryn usually is maniac, carapace and unyielding

But it’s just not that much

You can get higher damage bonuses that apply equally against all enemies

[brittle turtle]

I mean, its a nice skill thats right above a must pick, and leads into your keystone

[normal bay]

A must pick?

[tall torrent]

It’s on the side

[brittle turtle]

sorry, meant below, not above

[orchid hemlock]

I usually need to decide to take it or something else for better defense

I'm wondering if it does help with breakpoints within mixed hordes tho

[brittle turtle]

Yeah, I'd say frenzied blows is a must pick for any frontline ogryn

[tall torrent]

if you’re starting to think about cleave damage distributed breakpoints, stop

[orchid hemlock]

U can also stack it with the 5% above charge to get 15%

[sharp epoch]

only on like club, its harder with slower hitting weapons to build up before you lose it

or knife too

[orchid hemlock]

I mean damage in general, it's usually either taking it for more damage or taking something like toughness damage reduction

[red robin]

Oi

[tall torrent]

Frenzied blows basically mandatory for all melee dps ogryn builds

[red robin]

Would onslaught be broken af if melee applied 4 stacks instead of 1?

[normal bay]

I just think Ogryn has many more nodes that will make a meaningful difference than some rending node with little benefit

[tall torrent]

No it’ll still be niche

[brittle turtle]

12.5% attack speed for meleeing into hordes and elites is a no brainer

[tall torrent]

Because then it’s just thunderous plus

[brittle turtle]

or hell, bosses too

[sharp epoch]

onslaught is good cause it stacks with thunderous

so you can melt bosses extremely fast

[tall torrent]

They’re the same brittleness type

[red robin]

Doesn’t it still cap at 40% or 16 stacks

[tall torrent]

Only if base attack sucks vs unyielding

[red robin]

Whilst exploit weakness is unique 20%

[spring tide]

what does rending even do? I remember using it for recon lasgun but I always forget it since every game has a rending mechanic

[sharp epoch]

oh wait im thinking of exploit weak ess

[brittle turtle]

rending is brittleness but for you only

[spring tide]

ah i see

[tame lodge]

Short answer
More damage against flak, maniac, carapace and unyielding

[red robin]

Self buff vs debuff enemy

[tame lodge]

^ Long answer

[orchid hemlock]

Wait u take replenish over toughness reduction for HH? 🤔

[tall torrent]

That’s the short answer actually

I could write it longer if I wanted to

[tame lodge]

I refuse to believe so

[brittle turtle]

short answer, if you weapon deals 1000 damage in general but only 800 against , lets say, carapace, britleness and rending helps for those

[tall torrent]

Heavy hitter’s TDR is dogshit at best

[orchid hemlock]

Then why don't u take more damage reduction on top?

[red robin]

I wish vets node for toughness replenishment was not based off coherency

[brittle turtle]

FINALLY, someone says it

[red robin]

But similar to how tunnel vision is

[orchid hemlock]

What about no stopping me?

[tall torrent]

Why are they needed

[orchid hemlock]

For the heavy spamming melees

It's nice to have

[tall torrent]

I don’t get why u need it tbh

Heavy hitter’s toughness gain node makes u go from 5%/Mkill to 11%/Mkill

So with the toughness gain nodes up top

[brittle turtle]

So its a 12% bonus to the 5% thoughness you get per kill, right ?

But not 17%, more like bad resulst

[tall torrent]

x(100%+15%x8)

Which is x220%

Base is 5%

[brittle turtle]

oh right, dunno why I was on the 1.5% damage reduction still

[tall torrent]

With this talent, up to 5x2.2 = 11%/Mkill

With the toughness gain talents up top

Light attack goes from 5+5=10%/Mkill

[brittle turtle]

useless against bosses too.

and doesnt proc on bleed too, right ?

[tall torrent]

To 11+5=16%/Mkill

[tall torrent]

U mean the melee kill toughness node for heavy hitter?

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s only from melee attack kills

[brittle turtle]

In general, yeah, since I tend to use clubs lights, which give a lot of bleed around, horde dying to bleed means I dont get anything out of it with more thoughnes on melee kill

[tall torrent]

Club exists to be mogged by pickaxe

[brittle turtle]

I disagree, the debuff stick is a fun build

[tall torrent]

Debuff stick is just ok

[brittle turtle]

Yeah, I dont use the other clubs anymore

MK3 forever

[tall torrent]

That point is flex

For pickaxe I think toughness gain modifier is good

For shield too

Shovel too

[brittle turtle]

I mean, other clubs rely on heavies, but pickaxes do their job better

[tall torrent]

Cleaver not necessary if u take confident strikes

[tame lodge]

Punch>>>> pickaxes

[tall torrent]

Cleaver punch is better

[hollow ibex]

But mk3

[tall torrent]

Shovel punch is better

[tame lodge]

Not as fast

I love Brunt's Pride Punch

[tall torrent]

I’ll consider them when they reach near pickaxe dps

[tame lodge]

Best feeling in the game

No idea why it is hidden behind a slap though

[hollow ibex]

Thing is, it already shreds hordes while being ultra safe, idk if the lower dps matters that much outside of bosses

[tall torrent]

Yea but the boss dps is lacking quite a bit in comparison

[tame lodge]

They should've kept the insane unyielding adm on the sweeping heavies

[tall torrent]

If I’m not gonna play an all rounder peak dps why would I play melee ogryn

[tame lodge]

[orchid hemlock]

oh no I meant no stopping me, not the TDR

[tall torrent]

that one is ok

[orchid hemlock]

the points are taxing tho

so Im trying to figure out if they are good or not

[brittle turtle]

it depends on your melee

your melee dictates your build perks

its not like zealot where you always pick the same stuff

[orchid hemlock]

yes I know but I'm wondering if it is just a QOL talent and not actually useful in high skilled scenarios

this is what I would love to have on all my melees:

[brittle turtle]

aside from beat them back, its very close to a mk3 spam build

[sharp epoch]

some of those are loadout dependent, what weapons are you bringing?

[orchid hemlock]

or this for shield

[orchid hemlock]

no I am wondering if "no stopping me" is good in any scenario

[brittle turtle]

imo, bruttish strength, even on shield, isnt all that worth it

[orchid hemlock]

because thhere are some damage nodes you loose out on

[brittle turtle]

4 stacks of britleness isnt all that much, even if you can spam the push

[orchid hemlock]

it's very strong on Havoc because it allows you to set up the crusher waves to be melted by your psyker

it basically turns your shield into a half club

[sharp epoch]

its decent for taking space and getting up to ranged elites, works better when you can spam your ult a lot, and its either that or faster weapon swap

[brittle turtle]

I'm pretty sure most psyker are already gonna use their own britleness on their flamer

[orchid hemlock]

20% is not enough

and no, most psykers take crit

[sharp epoch]

most psykers run blaze away and warp nexus not penetrating flames

[brittle turtle]

You can take crit and britleness

[orchid hemlock]

and not take blaze away

no thanks

20% doesn't do damage to crushers anyways

[brittle turtle]

crit double applies stacks, so unless there is an healing aura, its good enough

[orchid hemlock]

flamer has horrific cara damage

blaze away is also better into bosses

[cyan ember]

most psykers take uncanny on melee, which works with flame ticks

[orchid hemlock]

actually its better into everything except crushers

[cyan ember]

blaze away is insane on staff. They probably should not have given it to flame staff

[orchid hemlock]

if u have 2 sources of brittle thats a different story though

but that's dependant that both you and your zealot both bring the same blessing 💀

[brittle turtle]

well, its useless if the zealot is there too since they'll use either flamer with brittle

or boltgun with possibily brittle too

[orchid hemlock]

u can stack them

up to 40%

as long as they are from different weapons

[brittle turtle]

I've seen up to 60%, but 40% is enough with double flamer power

[orchid hemlock]

unless they patched that

[orchid hemlock]

was it in mortis?

[brittle turtle]

nah, havoc

[orchid hemlock]

i have never seen that

[brittle turtle]

I'm using the mod to show debuffs

[orchid hemlock]

the mod in older versions has shown incorrect information

so idk, fatshark doesnt tell us anything themselves

but back to what I was saying about no stopping me

is it actually useful, because it's hard to "test" it since it's utility based 🤔

[brittle turtle]

well, for ogryn debuff stick, its fun to see 7 different debuffs, and if you have allies with debuffs too

since I tend to play ogryn, I'm the one applying debuffs the most often, but its good to keep track of what debuffs are active or not

its quite useful for bleed and flame builds since you see the stacks

[tame lodge]

Most brittleness will stack up to 40%

Penetrating Flames stacks with that 40%, making it 60%

Vets Exploit Weakness stacks with those, making 80%

[orchid hemlock]

what about onslaught?

wait this is soo confusing, so some brittle stacks, but others dont?

[tame lodge]

Up to 40%

[orchid hemlock]

average fatshark development

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[brittle turtle]

Its hilarious that Darktide has 3 times more mechanics than Vermintide and is still much easier

[tame lodge]

Thunderous, Onslaught and whatever only goes up to 40%

Just pen flames and exploit Weakness that can add to and go beyond 40%

But you'd need exploit weakness 🤢

[manic badger]

Are you taking thsi screenshot from in game if so what mod to get an overview of the tree like that

[orchid hemlock]

Gameslantern

[manic badger]

ah the talent calc

[bold trench]

Chat, "calc" is short for Calculator

[loud belfry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

this exists

[hollow ibex]

It’s ugly though

[manic badger]

It's ugly which is why I didn't download it

also has some clipping issues on the ogryn talent tree

[calm shard]

It's as ugly as you set it to be in the menus :)

[manic badger]

Caps at 16 stacks 40% pen for your entire team it makes a world of difference on crusher packs and bosses. you can spam the hell out of shield push really quickly and its completely safe blocks crusher top heavies and any boss hits. then you just weave in a push every 4.5 seconds to keep the stacks at max. If you are playing pure frontline support shield ogryn it's one of the stronger talents for havoc.

Shield push hitbox is also absurd

[calm shard]

I use it a lot with shield and bull butcher

the bleed damage increase is huge

[manic badger]

also yes increases bleed damage which is a substantial portion of shield damage

[balmy flume]

Feeling angry.
Going to vent on some digital heretics…

[narrow frost]

Caxe shredder Auto. Moebian 21st HISTG

[quick seal]

can you farm this by making your friend jump off the ledge over and over again and helping him back up repeatedly

[crimson pebble]

i dont think

do think it works on bots that get downd tho

[hollow ibex]

Just one of those penances you slowly farm

If you play pubs you should get it relatively quickly

Unless you’re the one that’s always going down that is

[quick seal]

nah wouldn't be me

i'm specifically playing Until Death Zealot to do this penance

[austere mica]

Got that one unintentionally helping friends level

[brittle turtle]

Play Ogryn

Much easier to get it that way

[severe jolt]

On Malice the only thing you're really worrying about is getting barreled. It doesn't really matter what you play as.

[brittle turtle]

Getting barreled,getting netted/dogged with bad teammates/getting eaten by Beast of Nurgle

Third one can be avoided

Second too but not always

First one, your allies are your worsy enemies

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I’ve gotten very barrel-aware thanks to going for ASS

Well I guess it’s both barrels and ledges

Since barrels by itself usually aren’t lethal

[quick seal]

had some scares with a daemonhost lol. And I got dogged and my teammates were too slow so I just quit the game :-p

[quick seal]

god dammit i died to a rager that kept chasing me

I was at five. Back to zero :-\

[quick seal]

so fucking mind numbing doing 15 malices in a row

I wish I could just choose levels I want to do (speedrun train 15 times) as opposed to just hoping a good level will turn up

[quick seal]

god dammit and when I try again, I just get lagged out. No point in even reconnecting, It doesn't progress the penance. This is so stupid

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly i stopped caring about most penances

unless they're easily farmed in mortis or something

[jaunty herald]

https://i.imgur.com/S2QGoV5.png

[austere mica]

I think that was my first gold frame

[split grove]

Best shovel?

[hollow ibex]

1

[lost frigate]

i love the one that both light and heavy is vanguard atk but special turn it into single target killer

just find the one that rhytm suit your taste

[vapid thunder]

ogryn with shield simple as

[tame void]

In the average auric damnation game, what'd be better, the grenade every minute, or the one that any kill from your team has a chance to give you a grenade back

[tough tiger]

always get both

[hollow ibex]

both is usually the right answer

though less necessary for krak/smoke

you always want at least one tho

[tame void]

Well, my current setup only allows one, so that's why I'm asking

If you could only pick one, which would you rather have

[hollow ibex]

i'm not a gambling man, so i'd rather take the 1 per minute

if you're below damnation, def take the 1 per minute

the chance based one shines on damnation and higher

[tame void]

That's why I specified, in the average auric damnation mission

[hollow ibex]

i'd still take the 1 per minute

though you really want both for frags

[tame void]

Ditto, yeah I felt the guaranteed 1 per min would be better, but wanted to ask just in case

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's what i'd prioritize if i could only get 1

[unreal nova]

The 1 per min one. Unless you really like gambling.

[fading grotto]

Hey guys, culd you explain me how the lasgun is better than the plasma for high tier content plz ?

I've always thought that plasma was better

[narrow frost]

lasgun is not better than plasma

[fading grotto]

Why everybody is making havoc build with lasgun ?

[narrow frost]

peoploe are getting bored of plasma

[fading grotto]

Hmmmm

[grand perch]

Maybe you are referring to the recon lasgun? Cause I don't think a lot of people go for infantry lasgun

[narrow frost]

I think he was

even then, plasma outclasses it in all but ammo eco

and maybe boss dps

[manic badger]

It just relies on getting fed ammo to really maximize it's output in havoc 40

but like there's no beating infinite cleave

or wall banging specials

[manic badger]

It's better for applying brittleness to bosses so you and your team all benefit from a really quick 40% armor pen on all bosses. It's also more ammo efficient and arguably better at killing spread out specials/ranged/disablers. But otherwise it doesn't compare for cleaving through mixed hordes in havoc 40. You also free up talent points taking Plasma that you would never take for anything other tha specific las weapons.

[severe jolt]

The plasma gun feels horrible to use. It doesn't even feel like you're firing a gun, but just clicking a button. No matter how powerful it is, I'm just gonna not use it. For the big boom there's always the bolter anyways.

[unreal nova]

The 1 sec delay to hit is annoying.

[severe jolt]

It's frustrating is it not? By the time you get to fire your shot the enemy is already dead because a teammate already got to shoot it with a faster gun. People rag on the Helbore for being slow to wield but at least you get to actually shoot things as long as you are wielding it.

[unreal nova]

0.65 to fire+0.4 delay due to ping lag means most useless gun. Only thing worse is projectiles with no massive AoE.

[tame void]

Doesn't the helbore need to charge too?

[severe jolt]

Yes but it's still somehow faster than the plasma. But that's not really the point. The Helbore feels like a gun. The pl*sma feels like a toy.

[tame void]

I'm not advocating for plasma, I hate that weapon too, but as a swap enjoyer with weapon specialist, the helbore feels horrible too 🫨

[unreal nova]

They are both arse.

[severe jolt]

Well that's another good thing about the Helbore, the stab is strong enough that you don't need to swap it all that often.

[tame void]

But I do want to swap, for weapon specialist

😭

[bold sierra]

fr tho, I just played helbore in h40 with deathclaw, bayonet is fucking goated

played the green helbore

[tame void]

I like snappy weapons like the revolver where I cna instantly whip out, shoot it, then swap right back

The helbore i gotta fill out an application, and wait for hadron to approve its use

[bold sierra]

higher skill ceiling, what can we say xD

[severe jolt]

You gotta use what you like, then build around that.

[tame void]

Yeah, this isn't a "weapon good or bad" rant, just holy crap, why does it take 3 business days to pull out

[unreal nova]

That's with the faster pull out.

[bold sierra]

i mean, if helbore had snappy pull-out speed, I think it'd be TOO strong probably, it already got so many amazing things going for it. Until they buff some things about some other weapons (and maybe do sth about plasma lmao), I think helbore's pullout speed is a pretty fair balancing factor

helbore got amazing armor strip, amazing breakpoint one-shots, amazing melee special, AMAZING ammo economy

[tame void]

Is it actually that good?

[pseudo fiber]

I think they'd just buff the equip speed anyway lmfao

[bold sierra]

I think I can deal with a bit of slow pullout

[tame void]

I still don't care tbh, it can deal insane dmg, just doesn't feel good to use imo

[unreal nova]

It has inf ammo basically but the main weakness is having to trust ppl to watch you as you use it.

[severe jolt]

Fun fact, the Helbore stab also procs Agile Engagement so you get a free damage bonus if you stab something every once in a while.

[cobalt lance]

Best blessings for fanning revolver?

[grand perch]

For boss deletion meme or general use?

[severe jolt]

Well you should use what's fun to use, if you wanna feel stressed out you should get a job. At the end of the day video games are supposed to be entertaining.

[bold sierra]

if anything I'd say helbore is one of the best defensive guns if u know what ur doing, with the bayonet and everything. And if you take devil's claw, which works extremely well with helbore, you can easily deal with things yourself without others' help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t641hO9Z-DQ Havoc 40 helboring

[tame void]

Aye, I'll drink to that