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#veteran-class
narrow frost
shadow dagger
nice to know
uncut pebble
This is just not true.
narrow frost
sullen jackal
opinions aren't misinformation sorry :p
copper verge
coming back to darktide after almost a year, what's meta in Havoc i wanna give it a try
for vet ofc
Totally didnt buy the new vostroyan set
unreal nova
coming back to darktide after almost a year, what's meta in Havoc i wanna give i...
I mean, it's the same old shout plasma DS4/Power Sword thing.
unreal nova
Pick smoke to BS captains and such AI.
Nope. I don't really do Havoc on Vet. I just know that's the most used stuff.
Lul.
unreal nova
And no, Auric builds in very low and low Havocs do not count.
late moon
so close
tame lodge
That's uh
Pretty ok actually
faint beacon
"when off, the relic blade is a plastic lightsaber and does literally nothing"
It hurts reading this and then looking at the state of off power sword
trust me I've fucking tried and I seriously cant find anything that'll make it feel really good to use in off
tropic notch
tall torrent
trust me I've fucking tried and I seriously cant find anything that'll make it f...
slaughterer + BM
u can reach poxwalker 1hs
that's about it
quiet valley
MkIII Sunder goes hard in Havoc
tropic notch
Ps can’t live without bm
quiet valley
Sunder is pretty much BM
tropic notch
Sunder is cool when my enemies aren’t attacking me
Then I get hit out of my heavy
quiet valley
you dont get stopped by anything during your swings with Sunder
tropic notch
@tall torrent is this true
quiet valley
as in you can swing thru
Bulwark shields
quiet valley
It wont hurt the Bulwark, but it will hit the stuff past them
The Armor density in H40 makes it better than BM imo
tropic notch
Dis is cope!
tall torrent
The Armor density in H40 makes it better than BM imo
havoc at launch yea
but rn BM is just better for confirming multiple kills quickly
sunder runs the risk of turning a bunch of elites red preemptively
because power sword is not nearly as high cleave dmg distribution as people like to believe
quiet valley
Yeah like Zealots need relic blade buffs XD
quiet valley
Sunder is still my pick for MKIII, it keeps you way safer in mixed than BM, BM feels a lot better on the MKVI
tall torrent
there's a very valid reason to like sunder over BM for mk3 power sword
but mk6 power sword is just better
tropic notch
Reminds me of when I aruged with path about the mk 3 knife being better than 6
Then I used 6
Everything changed
@tall torrent was playing on my vet do the mk 3 and mk 6 knife have the same push attack?
As in damage?
With uncanny I’m getting the same damage on both knifes on Cara and unyielding
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> was playing on my vet do the mk 3 and mk 6 knife have the ...
Damage is same
Mk6 can push atk a bit faster
quiet valley
The MKIII drawing straight horizontal lines feels a lot better for me in H40, If I were to play full melee build I would go VI tho
faint beacon
How I feel though the lack of Block Canceling is noticeable
gaunt anchor
crimson garden
Has the veteran guide been moved to steam yet?
dry cloak
no
strange summit
How viable is melee vet (primarily uses std sapper shovel as primary weapon) in havoc? I'm thinking of running it with smoke grenades to help the team with ranged problems.
I know the melee vet to be significantly more fragile than the heavy hitter Ogryn, but more capable of handling the larger threats, like monstrosities with Krak grenades or elites with ranged. If I had to guess on my own melee vet, I would probably hit a ceiling at havoc 20. I'm not sure how the build would work with smoke grenades over krak grenades
loud belfry
civic knot
@tall torrent Is This really at all viable? I feel like you really need confirmed kill imho
grand perch
You don't need CK
sullen jackal
now want to see someone doing a havoc 40 run where everyone has 0 talents
grand perch
I'd go with the left subnode on FT though, stamina for deadshot and toughness regen
calm shard
I'd go with the left subnode on FT though, stamina for deadshot and toughness re...
I was doing fine without it, but I do feel like it would help a lot
I might drop tactical reload for it
calm shard
<@366562874039992331> Is This really at all viable? I feel like you really need ...
Btw no it's not viable
It's very glass cannony and you need your teammates to be good to justify it
And even if they are good it's not better than VoC at all
It is very fun to kill a havoc 40 monstrosity in one magazine though
sullen jackal
It's very glass cannony and you need your teammates to be good to justify it
so, it's viable (in certain situations)
native ocean
no, that's not what the bar for viability is
calm shard
tho in auric maelstroms it works
and it works pretty well in havocs up until like the 30s when it starts having its problems
native ocean
else you could say taking dclaw and vigilant ag is "viable"
sullen jackal
else you could say taking dclaw and vigilant ag is "viable"
yeah sure let's go with that
native ocean
in non havocs any kind of loadout goes really, you're only limited by your own skill and knowledge of the game there
sullen jackal
so viable is what you're saying :v
native ocean
you sending me over 500 dollars seems very viable right now
uncut pebble
All meta is viable, not all viable is meta, and not everything is viable.
Viable, itself, is a very annoying term, because what one person thinks is viable may not be what someone else thinks.
sullen jackal
All meta is viable, not all viable is meta, and not everything is viable.
tbh the last point is what I wonder, because if someone clears havoc 40 with everyone having zero talents :p
native ocean
yes, viability is hard limited by individual skill and playstyle
uncut pebble
No, skill and playstyle have nothing to do with viability.
sullen jackal
admittedly then there's still a question of viability for weapon and relic selection
native ocean
zero talents darktide is unplayable though
uncut pebble
What has to do with viability is breakpoints, talent interactions, blessing choice, moveset, and mobility.
For example, you can look at rashad as the peak example of a viable weapon.
sullen jackal
no I'm pretty sure people have played the game before with starting characters
loud belfry
anything could be viable for someone who is extremely good or has 5000+ hours and keeps trying at it
uncut pebble
Simple moveset? Check.
Decent mobility? Check.
Blessing choice? Bm + headtaker. (strong options)
Talent interactions? Works with just about everything on all 3 classes, less so on psyker due to less melee speed. (but you still have nutty damage with meleeker)
Breakpoints? Consistent oneshots on everything not ogryn/mauler shaped.
If you look at any weapon with these 5 criteria in mind you can tell at a glance whether or not it's viable.
sullen jackal
think viable is my new word to hate on like objective. no one uses it correctly and it's basically unusuable in it's actual definition
uncut pebble
think viable is my new word to hate on like objective. no one uses it correctly ...
That's why you use the 5 criteria I just said to weigh whether or not something is viable.
Assigning a "measurement" (for lack of a better term) to it is how you get around opinionated choices of "viability."
native ocean
see right now we're having an issue with this because we're trying to apply a concept to a broad range of darktide's difficulty settings
sullen jackal
you can't get around opinionated choices because it is opinion
uncut pebble
No, not really. Everything is typically spoken of being good/bad in the context of auric damnation.
native ocean
because I've never specified what difficulty setting "viability" refers to
sullen jackal
the most you can have is an opinion with evidence
uncut pebble
Because if I reach a oneshot breakpoint in damnation, I reach the same breakpoint in every difficulty lower than that.
sullen jackal
No, not really. Everything is typically spoken of being good/bad in the context ...
weird cause this conversation started with havoc 40 :p
uncut pebble
weird cause this conversation started with havoc 40 :p
Havoc is its own animal entirely.
sullen jackal
you don't say
uncut pebble
Thats an entirely separate conversation to discuss what is and isn't viable on, mainly due to one of said criteria being thrown completely out the window. (breakpoints)
vale berry
No, not really. Everything is typically spoken of being good/bad in the context ...
On lower difficulties just about any kit fully leveled up can get you by.
uncut pebble
That's the point I'm making.
What is viable for a malice player is not viable for a damnation player.
Spawns and hp of elites and specialists are drastically different between the two difficulties.
uncut pebble
A malice player can get by with something like a damage dump dclaw where they only use light attacks, with crit and weakspot damage perks, and use only cleave blessings, and do wonderfully, because malice is a nothingburger difficulty.
sullen jackal
tbh tried the lowest difficulty and uh it was an experience
uncut pebble
You bring that same hunk of garbage on a stick into a damnation lobby and one singular rager is going to beat you to death.
native ocean
tbh tried the lowest difficulty and uh it was an experience
make sure to use the unupgradeable weapons with no power rating you get at the prologue for the authentic "1st match ever" experience
uncut pebble
So yeah, the 5 criteria for non havocs are breakpoints, blessings, talent interactions, mobility, and moveset. Havoc is its own animal and I haven't come up with criteria for what you could use as "rules" on viability yet.
sullen jackal
make sure to use the unupgradeable weapons with no power rating you get at the p...
ok that's the goal now. One of each class. Those weapons. Havoc 40. No talents, no relics.
dont do this it sounds miserable
do it if you want to show that everything is viable tho
uncut pebble
ok that's the goal now. One of each class. Those weapons. Havoc 40. No talents, ...
Psyker would just be worse vet at that point.
Cause, yknow, they start with a laspistol, afaik.
native ocean
laspistol, dclaw, brain burst with half damage
it's the most ass of all class starts
uncut pebble
Dclaw, but you can parry fucking nothing because psyker has a tiny stamina pool...
sullen jackal
Dclaw, but you can parry fucking nothing because psyker has a tiny stamina pool....
ok to be fair psyker has infinite stamina for most cases with weapons
uncut pebble
Without talents, no.
sullen jackal
0.5 stamina regen is a hell of a drug
uncut pebble
Unless you're talking just strictly pushing.
native ocean
it's perfectly workable for the nothingburger difficulties because psykers have the shortest stamina regen
but a new player will not know that
sullen jackal
you know that psyker has like zero stamina talents right :p
loud belfry
viable: capable of working successfully
this basically means nothing unless you compare it to the average skill level or the skill level of the person asking the question. also need difficulty of course*
native ocean
viable: capable of working successfully
this basically means nothing unless you...
we have also completely discounted the fact that there'll be three other players with you with their own loadouts who will either help or hinder your chances to win or lose the mission
sullen jackal
psyker base stats are weird they also I recall have some broken stats on their dodge
uncut pebble
viable: capable of working successfully
this basically means nothing unless you...
To get around the skill level issue, we state viability based on auric damnation difficulty. If you can't function with a kit designed for that difficulty, that's on you.
sullen jackal
zealot is in general even more broken tho except for stamina delay
uncut pebble
No?
I seriously don't understand where people get the idea that zealout is broken. They legit have 3 strong talents outside their keystones.
Until death, duellist, and anoint in blood.
sullen jackal
zealot has generally above average stats in every category, but of course I mean broken by higher than other classes
uncut pebble
All other talents are either meh or just decent.
Save second wind, which is necessary for survival.
Because other toughness gen sources either lack magnitude or are too expensive.
sullen jackal
veteran has generally the worst base stats except for toughness
(although talents can make up for it)
uncut pebble
zealot has generally above average stats in every category, but of course I mean...
So you're just referring to base stats, yes?
Not including talents?
Because zealout only really has one real advantage over vet and psyker if you're looking at base stats.
Any hp increase, at all, from any source, with 1 sniper resistance perk, means you can eat a sniper shot, because base hp is 200.
Obviously, in havoc, this won't fly, but you get the idea.
sullen jackal
slide/sprinting damage reduction, sprint speed, high stamina stats in general including delay, actually highest stamina regen speed I recall, HP, crit like second best
uncut pebble
Vet has to work hard to eat that sniper shot and I don't even know if psyker can manage to get the hp to eat it.
sullen jackal
highest dodge length off memory(psyker has the lowest)
uncut pebble
slide/sprinting damage reduction, sprint speed, high stamina stats in general in...
Vet has better crit than zealout does.
sullen jackal
hmm right, is reverse. still other stuff applies
uncut pebble
Base crit, no, obv, but reciprocity is literally just better piety.
sullen jackal
technically ogryn is longest dodge length but also dodge is weird
uncut pebble
Ogryn doesn't have lingering dodge frames iirc so that's why their dodges are jank.
sullen jackal
...oh right you're ignoring base assumptions to be "right".
uncut pebble
What?
hollow ibex
Idk about havoc but in AM zealot has aged way way better than vet
sullen jackal
vets got pretty meh stats imo but great talents if a little heavy at the end
to the point most builds look like a rake
hollow ibex
to the point most builds look like a rake
That’s also largely because the talent tree is heavily taxed
spark cipher
psyker base stats are weird they also I recall have some broken stats on their d...
I thought they had some of the shortest dodge windows of the 4
sullen jackal
I thought they had some of the shortest dodge windows of the 4
they have lowest dodge distance but are some of the highest on all the other stats
hollow ibex
Also lowest stam
spark cipher
they have lowest dodge distance but are some of the highest on all the other sta...
You mean
2nd lowest toughness (shared with ogryn, only above zealot by 5)
Lowest health (shared with veteran)
Lowest base stamina (compensated by the fastest regen delay)
Slowest sprint speed (shared with ogryn)
Though I'd say vet has the worst stamina economy of the four
sullen jackal
dodge stats :p
spark cipher
oh
sullen jackal
also yes 1s delay base lol
hollow ibex
Though I'd say vet has the worst stamina *economy* of the four
Lol vet stamina economy truly is horrendous
sullen jackal
you can get psyker delay tho! It just takes EVERY SINGLE TALENT POINT
lost frigate
VOC really save our ass
spark cipher
I won't lie I do think the regen delay should swap places with the stamina nodes earlier in the tree
hollow ibex
It should just be baked in
unreal nova
you can get psyker delay tho! It just takes EVERY SINGLE TALENT POINT
When your silly recon build pesudo psyker. But can't actually shank things due to all in on pewpew.
lost frigate
Headshot = stamina should be passive for vet
hollow ibex
No reason why vet should just have horrible stamina economy for no fucking reason
hollow ibex
It’s the only class where I have to dedicate three curio perk slots for stamina 
lost frigate
And other ultnneed a buff to stand toe with voc
unreal nova
It’s the only class where I have to dedicate three curio perk slots for stamina ...
And here I am with 14 stam psyker and 16 stam oggy. Oops.
lost frigate
Right now I use weapon prof stamina for range kill then swap to melee for atamina
spark cipher
And here I am with 14 stam psyker and 16 stam oggy. Oops.
max stam oggy, 3 stamina curios, stamina on shield, bully the daemonhost
unreal nova
max stam oggy, 3 stamina curios, stamina on shield, bully the daemonhost
The blonk build.
spark cipher
The blonk build.
I ran a block build on my psyker, seeing daemonhost only cause 1% peril per hit was cathartic
unreal nova
I ran a block build on my psyker, seeing daemonhost only cause 1% peril per hit ...
Try 2% every 4 hits.
spark cipher
Try 2% every 4 hits.
maybe it was that, I thought it would always round up
unreal nova
maybe it was that, I thought it would always round up
Don't think so. I literally run a stupid DH tank meme for psyker build.
Oggy just made it easier since psyker running that is both tanky and paper at the same time.
spark cipher
Don't think so. I literally run a stupid DH tank meme for psyker build.
then if after 10 minutes the DH is still swinging and it starts taking stamina, can just shriek 
unreal nova
then if after 10 minutes the DH is still swinging and it starts taking stamina, ...
You mean double shriek. Cos burning warp charges means CDR and while less -peril gen... it was already stupid before.
spark cipher
So yeah if my psyker setup wasn't cursed enough in auric maelstrom, there was another psyker using the shield wall over the bubble 🔥
spark cipher
and apparently defenses does affect block effifiency, but isn't listed for some reason
unreal nova
Blonk crushers with hilarious rending.
unreal nova
and apparently defenses *does* affect block effifiency, but isn't listed for *so...
You dump warp resist anyway.
spark cipher
You dump warp resist anyway.
I know just saying I didn't even find out until yesterday about defenses working like that
unreal nova
I know just saying I didn't even find out until yesterday about defenses working...
Why do you think ppl just read the code. This happens in every FS game.
spark cipher
Why do you think ppl just read the code. This happens in every FS game.
It'd be nice if there was a wiki or something for all this (there really isn't)
unreal nova
Ask the crazy ppl who read the code lul.
calm shard
I won't lie I do think the regen delay should swap places with the stamina nodes...
They should be bundled together into a single talent alongside a seperate effect like sprint speed
or maybe making sprint always dodge ranged fire even if you're out of stamina
queen sky
is it possible to make the BP work as well as a Zarona for precision removal at higher difficulties, or is the revolver simply too powerful?
i notice that the Hammer Of The Emperor guide says BP should be specced with Lethal Proximity and RnG/Puncture, which suggests a sort of crowd control role?
inland orchid
Shredders are the definition of crowd control, with and without LP buffing its radius
but to answer your question I Believe a lot of builds are possible with enough “skill”
So go nuts with wtv u prefer and see how you size up
red star
i want this guys build
queen sky
Shredders are the definition of crowd control, with and without LP buffing its r...
"Shredders"?
queen sky
I'm referring to the Bolt Pistol?
inland orchid
You said LP so shredders are usually tied together to it
Barely seen lads wanna capitalize off the extra radius from the bolt shots
Considering it isn’t that wide a radius
queen sky
i mentioned Lethal Proximity because the Hammer Of The Emperor guide reccomends it for the Bolt Pistol with no alternatives
inland orchid
and does that build have shredders?
queen sky
it's not a build
inland orchid
Most situations can vary dramatically imo, ranging from squads of gunners to the iconic
“500 ragers”
queen sky
alright then
inland orchid
To double back on the crowd control thing I’d still see bolt pistol as more of a headhunter than something used in a crowd
Regular bolter is more filling of that role
Only due to its ability to be sprayed
hollow ibex
i want this guys build
VOC revive is honestly one of the single worst choices you can make in a vet build
I’m betting his infil build is shit
queen sky
To double back on the crowd control thing I’d still see bolt pistol as more of a...
yes
and my original question was "is it as good of a headhunter as the Zarona on higher difficulties?"
hollow ibex
i mentioned Lethal Proximity because the Hammer Of The Emperor guide reccomends ...
Recommended because it affects frags
queen sky
huh
hollow ibex
And is very good
queen sky
i don't use frags in favour of monstrosity-bombing kraks so i'll swap it for something of my own choosing then
thanks for the context
hollow ibex
If you take vet bistol and not take Lethal Prox, you’re gimping yourself
native ocean
i want this guys build
Infil is very fun, my fave vet ability
queen sky
If you take vet bistol and not take Lethal Prox, you’re gimping yourself
even if I'm not running frags?
hollow ibex
Because you should be taking frags too
queen sky
ah i see
hollow ibex
Krak is mostly just for the memes at this point
inland orchid
Kraks are situational and have a long fuse time, hell I can bet if u ask any krak users(including myself) about how many armored lads died before the krak went off
Any of them would tell u it’s happened at least once
you only really get to see its peak when u get to stagger cycling a monstrosity
hollow ibex
Even then pretty situational since the base count is only two
And the damage honestly isn’t that impressive unless you get red stimms
hollow ibex
The absolute state of vet as a top four class
spark cipher
Vets and Zealots arguing over who's the shittiest class (there's an ogryn doing more damage than both of them combined)
formal ice
Vets and Zealots arguing over who's the shittiest class (there's an ogryn doing ...
No?
Its just the vet which is the dhittiest
Zealot still strong
digital escarp
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed2e0ec-ae15-438c-85f0-5114460d28da/vet-improve
aside from the obvious skill issue (130h playtime, highest I'm playing atm is Heresy with ~70% completion), I'm looking for holes in this build as I got bored of my support vet (bolt pistol, VoC, shredder, focus target) and want to try a ranged build and I'm enjoying it but feel like it could perform better
advice appreciated, ignore missing minmax on curious and weapons, still farming
unreal nova
even if I'm not running frags?
Btw, did you know Lethal Prox works on kraks as well? Not to any really usable degree but heh.
hollow ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed2e0ec-ae15-438c-85f0-5114460d28da/ve...
Vigilants Ilas and helbore
queen sky
seconded
those three you can generally just pick from per your taste
vigilant autogun's the most responsive, hellbore's the most powerful and sluggish, infantry lasgun's somewhere inbetween
warm kettle
it may be worth seeing what youre consistently able to pick off with the helbore, either in the meatgrinder or field test in a run you dont care about
queen sky
hellbore is better at putting out consistent damage though, you can fire more shots before having to stop and futz with your gun
warm kettle
revolver IS pretty solid
queen sky
honestly my first thought was "zarona is a great marksman weapon" but thought that might just be me
warm kettle
it's my psyker's primary XD
queen sky
...and BP does have the inverse falloff...
warm kettle
BP as in bullet penetration? are you saying it gets BETTER with range?
queen sky
sorry, Bolt Pistol
warm kettle
oh my bad, yeah bolt pistols good but theyre looking for something fresh feeling to em
I did join this convo late XD
queen sky
oh my bad i didn't see that
hollow ibex
revolver with proper build on vet can one shot
Proper. You mean meme build
But it’s fun
queen sky
vigilant autogun's the most responsive, hellbore's the most powerful and sluggis...
a lot of people say the charge time on the hellbore makes it unusable, but it's honestly a matter of taste and practice
during my road to Mastery 20 i got pretty good at timing the shots out
i can appreciate others might hate it
i think the bayonet chop on the Lucius(?) pattern feels good as fuck too
warm kettle
dumb question, but does that melee bayonet chop have cleave?
hollow ibex
Prob next to nothing
warm kettle
I've been sticking to a braced auto on vet for a LONG time
considering branching out next time im on
hollow ibex
The chop is way weaker than the stab
warm kettle
ah, does it stagger?
queen sky
# Revolver Psyker
i mean, in a game where being ambushed by a bunch of tanky enemies with special abilities is usually what collapses a run, being able to instantly spit out a high-damage headshot is a fairly universally valuable thing
warm kettle
because just buying a moment can help
queen sky
dumb question, but does that melee bayonet chop have cleave?
it does not, it's very strikedown
warm kettle
yeah honestly thats what I pull the revolver out for usually
dry cloak
i think the bayonet chop on the Lucius(?) pattern feels good as fuck too
They all are luciua. They differ with the number
warm kettle
I dont run smite on psyker, I use shards, so it helps a lot
warm kettle
still, shame its got no cleave then
queen sky
just the chop downwards
queen sky
ah ty
hollow ibex
Mk 4 bayonet is so gimped. Though helbore in general is gimped
dry cloak
I think helbores in theyre current state are a relic of past. When there was less enemies on screen
spark cipher
a lot of people say the charge time on the hellbore makes it unusable, but it's ...
Helbore users complaing about charge time when brain burst exists 
unreal nova
Helbore users complaing about charge time when brain burst exists <:Sitgryn:1016...
We all know BB needs a big buff.
digital escarp
Vigilants Ilas and helbore
just the ranged weapon choice? nothing else?
warm kettle
who needs brain burt when you're a
Revolver Psyker
no im not correcting the typo, i simply do not respect my brian
warm kettle
I don't run recon but one of my besties does, yeah I take it seriously lol
soft trellis
now that did require talents that aren't good(also deadshot on a recon which sucks)... but that was also without carapace or the 20% ogryn damage talent
oh I also was missing the 15% elite damage talent, oops lol
I still wanna see just how fast I can do it with a recon for the lulz
spark cipher
I do really like helbore though, as far as getting rid of elites and specials goes
soft trellis
bam:
warm kettle
solid
soft trellis
A recon specialized in killing crushers... god it would hurt you guys if I showed you the pathing I had to take lol
soft trellis
<.<'
warm kettle
heresy
soft trellis
Sacrifices were made T_T
I am not going to use that tho
I was just testing to see how fast I could
warm kettle
how fast you could find yourself in a penal colony!...again!
dry cloak
# Revolver Psyker
try it with fanfire revolver
warm kettle
I have but im really keen on the one with ADS
warm kettle
oh it does, and is better for close quarters!
dry cloak
and boss deleting
warm kettle
I run weird shit on my revolver...I think I've got run and gun on it lol
its my anti armor/sniper tool
spark cipher
Sacrifices were made T_T
The pathing I'm about to take:
(Getting anti ogryn and anti elite as well as several melee skills)
warm kettle
oh wow that barely affected your damage-
oh
well it saved just about as much time
compared to the original
spark cipher
I forgot the 15% elite talent again lol
soft trellis
I am not seriously going to use this build past heresy if I am going to be honest lol
It feels wrong
spark cipher
I am not seriously going to use this build past heresy if I am going to be hones...
This is an auric maelstrom classic
frail escarp
that build literally just the vet meta build w/o the plasma gun
you can do a auric malestrom and just not die at all
dry cloak
its not
frail escarp
certainly feels like it since you can steamroll it with a decent build
soft trellis
Wow it's even faster with the rapid fire one
warm kettle
to be fair, more shots means more crits
spark cipher
Wow it's even faster with the rapid fire one
I think I saw something like that on an executioner's stance vet
they just shredded bosses
with the recon
frail escarp
its not
if the average pub that runs ep smite can get through maelstrom a non-garbage build can
soft trellis
with the recon
Kinda like this?
frail escarp
you can probably do that twice as fast with a gunspyker at this point
im not sure why they ever buffed the recon lasgun with more ammo
completely braindead gun
spark cipher
Kinda like this?
Yea but it was quite a bit faster, I think they were running kraks as well
spark cipher
completely braindead gun
So you can look at the brauto guns and laugh at them
quiet valley
Fastest boss TTK on Vet is Bolter or Fanning revolver
warm kettle
I like the brauto myself, though im looking to try something new
IDK about brainless, I'd like to think I'm somewhat considerate but DO treat it like a submachine gun
dry cloak
Fastest boss TTK on Vet is Bolter or Fanning revolver
fanning revolver
quiet valley
Yeah but Bolter comes with the perk of being a good weapon lol
soft trellis
Yea but it was quite a bit faster, I think they were running kraks as well
This fast?
spark cipher
This fast?
yea
warm kettle
the bolter may be better on vet, but it's my fave on zealot
quiet valley
This fast?
Spider Sense user 💀
warm kettle
I'm a spider sense user! It's fun
it DOES help knowing where everyone is
on vet I do my part in repelling shooters and focusing specials
frail escarp
i think an acessibility feature that's been in fortnite for at least 3 years should be in darktide actually
quiet valley
Unless you are doing Solo/Duo runs its a crutch tbh
frail escarp
spidey sense will stay until fatshark fixes the sound cues that's been broken since maelstrom become a thing
grand perch
Fastest boss TTK on Vet is Bolter or Fanning revolver
weakened bosses are just fun with fanning
quiet valley
weakened bosses are just fun with fanning
I go shout for the stagger but Exec stance is the max dmg ofc
grand perch
valid
warm kettle
eh, I don't care if it's a crutch, when im supporting the team
grand perch
its just max damage meme for me
quiet valley
The mod problem starts with just gettting Spidey Sense but then they also get special tracker, see ammo thru walls, auto mini game completion etc
grand perch
health bars....
warm kettle
OH wait, I don't use that mod
I thought you meant exe stance which highlights enemies lol
grand perch
though ive been flamed for using dodge tracker and customisation mod, which i really really dont mind
warm kettle
I LOVE exe stance, especially with shooter highlighting and the timer-refreshing
warm kettle
sometimes i install the scoreboard just so I can get some personal validation
I dont feel strongly about the vanilla scoreboard's removal
quiet valley
Scoreboard is good, just make sure to not cherrypick your stats on it
Some mfs remove shit like dmg taken and ammo pickups
warm kettle
I don't use it to improve anything or dog on people
some things you need to feel without metrics, like you should know if you're taking too much damage or hogging all the ammo
taking ammo is totally fine! as long as everyone's good
I learned to share on revolver psyker when the veteran's bolter is 10x the gun per bullet
quiet valley
I usually run zero ammo pickup builds in pubs now, some mfs got sticky fingers
vernal ermine
I maxed out the plasma gun buy simply buying from grunt and blessing it once 
I hoped to rople the perfect plasma gun.
warm kettle
I'm the other problem player that will ping you when you're in another ZIP code
come take this tin of 20 bullets plz
soft trellis
Why is it easier to build the recon lasgun to kill crushers than it is to build the brauto? I get either way it's building a weapon for something it's not meant for, but, still... :\
warm kettle
in my opinion, the brauto is better as a generalist weapon than anti-armor
soft trellis
in my opinion, the brauto is better as a generalist weapon than anti-armor
Oh I know, I just am seeing if I can make it do what the recon was to crushers >.>
tame lodge
Why is it easier to build the recon lasgun to kill crushers than it is to build ...
It goes brrrrr
soft trellis
Oh wait I got an idea
warm kettle
I will say, rending strikes on brauto does help for softening up crushers if you have a team around
or peppering before approaching in melee
soft trellis
lol
It needed deadshot was the thing <.<
This is how the bottom of that tree looks <.<'
warm kettle
I think mine does something similar actually
I'm super biased in this though as my build fundamentally isnt like, geared towards any particular target
soft trellis
I would never use something like that in an actual mission, I just wanted to see if I could melt a crusher <.<'
warm kettle
well, don't necessarily discount it! with a whole team, your weaknesses can be covered
plus sometimes its nice to be able to melt crushers when 6 are running up on you
balmy flume
This is how the bottom of that tree looks <.<'
You do know that if you swap to a Boltgun, and pick VoC.
That is almost exactly what I run.
That tree build + Boltgun is surprisingly flexible.
Also run P Sword
warm kettle
plasma sword is a nice backup tool, and I dont necessarily think using a recon lasgun is a bad idea for this
as focus-built as this is, the recon lasgun might offer some better utility for trash mobs
I'm not speaking to any real meta, just my sensibilities
soft trellis
Boltgun with shattering impact + puncture is pretty good for monsters and ogryn elites
warm kettle
I just play damnation and trials, the occasional auric whatever
yeah I run that on my zealot, which I have as a 'fuck you button' build
warm kettle
bolter to magdump monsters or snipe with, thunderhammer, relic ability
yeah the bolter is NUTTY on veteran
warped gazelle
Anyone got a good vet build
warm kettle
thats always subjective, i dont know if mine's "good" but it works for me
is there any vague role you have in mind?
warped gazelle
is there any vague role you have in mind?
Mmmmm assault rifle kinda build that keeps me alive from all running buggers
warm kettle
so specifically an autogun, thats good for poxwalkerS?
warped gazelle
I show u my build
warped gazelle
so specifically an autogun, thats good for poxwalkerS?
Oh okay
warm kettle
wait no I just assumed based on what you were saying
warped gazelle
Has here been any new campaign stuff
warm kettle
if you dont mind a loss of range, the braced autos are pretty well balanced on veteran
warm kettle
if youre having poxwalker issues, I recommend terrifying barrage blessing and the one that buffs damage on close quarters kills
warped gazelle
I have two builds
warped gazelle
if youre having poxwalker issues, I recommend terrifying barrage blessing and th...
Wanna run a few games
warm kettle
the range is much more generous than it sounds
im juggling other stuff atm, just haunting the vet discord
I am very opinionated about
Revolver Psyker
warped gazelle
Oh shit I have three builds uhh
warm kettle
after all
narrow frost
if youre having poxwalker issues, I recommend terrifying barrage blessing and th...
What
warm kettle
I get some use out of terrifying barrage, I don't care if it's not meta
narrow frost
Suppression doesn't work on melee enemies
Only works on reapers gunner shooters and some specials
warm kettle
huh, well I'm dumb then!
warped gazelle
warm kettle
I'll toss up swapping that out then unless I find that it does help enough for ranged units
warped gazelle
Suppression doesn't work on melee enemies
Would any of the builds in the vid work or should I scrap all three and make a new one with brace auto and lasgun
One with sniper thing on it is the braced auto gun build and the others are lasgun builds
warm kettle
personally id use a different middle ability, and would have recommended against the fully loaded+suppression immunity if you hadnt mentioned it was a lasgun build
and were going for that crit talent
warped gazelle
On what build
narrow frost
you have most of the talents that are worthwhile
I can make some changes that would make it perform better for you
warped gazelle
On what build sorry im just hella confused and hurts my head with this game
warped gazelle
I can make some changes that would make it perform better for you
YES PLEASE
OHH GOD PLEASE DO
narrow frost
What are you looking for
warped gazelle
Honestly something that keeps me alive and does fucking great dps
warped gazelle
warped gazelle
are you a mixed vet (useing melee and ranged)
depends if it gets to much then yes
Spam hordes with my gun
soft trellis
Meh, even killing a damnation plague ogryn in 11 shots doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment
warped gazelle
All my curious are the same
narrow frost
what do you need, talents only? or weapons and curios
warped gazelle
what do you need, talents only? or weapons and curios
I don’t know
I just returned to the game today
And. I 0 idea what is good
narrow frost
this is the generic vet build
it greatly benefits from weapon swapping
kill with ranged, melee gets stronger
kill with melee, ranged gets stronger
warm kettle
that build reminds me of Bounty Hunter Saltzpyre in VT2, which was super fun
narrow frost
nades is for bulwarks and bosses
warped gazelle
Uhhhhh
warped gazelle
this is the generic vet build
Will this one be better for me or na
soft trellis
Oh... the mk6 power sword can hit a bulwark through its shield like the mk10 relic blade with the push attack...
tall torrent
if youre having poxwalker issues, I recommend terrifying barrage blessing and th...
terrifying barrage doesn't apply to poxwalkers
warm kettle
yeah I just got edumacated earlier
narrow frost
Will this one be better for me or na
better for you is up to how well you can use it. It has alot more damage and surviability. But in non havoc you can perform well even without the "best" build
warm kettle
I thought it made dregs and the like cower
warped gazelle
I still do shit ether way
warm kettle
I know poxwalkers are different but I dont pay much attention to the crap mobs
warped gazelle
In general I mean
narrow frost
mess around with new weapons and setups, and have fun
its a video game
but try that build
tall torrent
I thought it made dregs and the like cower
suppression only affects:
groaners, shooters, stalkers, gunners and reapers
warped gazelle
Great lol
soft trellis
Wait it's even easier than it is with the relic blade, wtf
warped gazelle
but try that build
I made it
warm kettle
yeah you gotta build skill, and feel familiar with what you whip up
warped gazelle
@narrow frost thanks let me know if ya wanna play sometime
tall torrent
Wanna run a few games
I can play
warped gazelle
Ahh my head what is the best atuogun
tall torrent
Not good
warped gazelle
Ah fuck what about this one
tall torrent
Most weapons aim for mobility / collateral / defences dump
tall torrent
Stat distribution is fine
warped gazelle
Ok cool
warped gazelle
To what exactly
tall torrent
And change blessings to deathspitter + fire frenzy
warm kettle
You need to go to hadron and level up your 'mastery'
there's a whole tab in your menu too
you level that up by using guns in missions, or sacrificing green quality of above weapons to her
tall torrent
How do I unlock level lv perks
Vc?
warped gazelle
Oh Jesus
warm kettle
and trust me, only sacrifice the SAME weapon type
warped gazelle
Oh I know lol
warm kettle
because other weapons offer much much less
nimble bridge
why is cleave target the dump stat for the power sword?
formal ice
Because its cleave already suck
nimble bridge
i see
formal ice
And if you turn on the power it gets much cleaver
narrow frost
why is cleave target the dump stat for the power sword?
to my knowledge its because of the CDD
cleave damage distribution
calm shard
why is cleave target the dump stat for the power sword?
It only affects the base cleave of the weapon when it's unpowered
the extra cleave from turning the sword on is unaffected
narrow frost
changing 60-80 wont change anything for the cleave damage
nimble bridge
this stat just lets you hit more enemies?
calm shard
specifically when the sword is unpowered yes
nimble bridge
that sounds bad
calm shard
it is
narrow frost
zarona perk from crit chance to unarmoured
so maniac + unarmoured
seems like a funny build
but it does have all the damage nodes
(agile and the flat damage buffs)
tame lodge
Remove Deadshot and that small node on the middle and get the grenade every 60 secs
calm shard
ugh krak grenades
calm shard
spending a skill point to remove your grenade on the class with 2 of the best grenades in the game
nimble bridge
i just realized it was stealth
calm shard
stealth is okay
krak grenades are genuinely a build killer if you take them
they do nothing
calm shard
it's very mid
nimble bridge
is determined a good talent?
calm shard
no
this is where virtually every veteran build starts
the vast majority of good veteran builds will take all of these talents
nimble bridge
oo
calm shard
maybe with a different active or grenade
nimble bridge
i guess i will swap
calm shard
the seven extra skill points after are personal choice on what you want, or what your weapon needs
faint beacon
changing 60-80 wont change anything for the cleave damage
IIRC it is mainly cause in powered mode its such a minimal difference it literally doesn't matter
that and mobility is actually kinda helpful on PS of all things
nimble bridge
im planning to use the power sword + stub revolver
cyan ember
then you definitely want weapon specialist
nimble bridge
ok
cyan ember
I would do something like this. You have one flex point. I put it in stam. regen delay, because I like it.
nimble bridge
no need for confirmed kill + close order drill?
cyan ember
remember that with all these builds that take both grenade regen points to actually use and spam grenades
you should never have 3 grenades up
you want to keep the 1 min regen talent running.
you could go down the middle instead of the right for confirmed kill. it can work in higher difficulties. ammo regen is more important than close and kill
with ammo regen, on revolver, you will probably rarely need to pick up ammo
and you provide immense benefit to any ogryns on your team
if your team already has ammo aura, you could pick up close and kill and agile engagement
instead of catch a breath and survivalist
You should feel free to experiment with your builds though. You don't have to stick one that anyone gives you here
faint beacon
@narrow frost I think i've hit peak Veteran boredom cause im catching my ass making a build with the Heavy Recon and the Heavy ILAG
cyan ember
Its ok. I would rather dump mobilility than reload speed. It is also the fan the hammer revolver, not the aim down sights one.
calm shard
<@665740726474375168> I think i've hit peak Veteran boredom cause im catching my...
I like the heavy recon :)
cyan ember
I would go surgical, hand cannon on the aim down sights one
nimble bridge
fan the hammer revolver?
cyan ember
right click is a full auto mode with the mark 14
cyan ember
its ok, you can change the marks ingame now
you wont actually be reloading it that often with weapon specialist, so reload speed isnt the end of the world.
warped gazelle
@tall torrent gg
nimble bridge
thanks
devout wedge
can anyone explain this to me in simple terms?
spark cipher
can anyone explain this to me in simple terms?
have it go kaboom in midair :3
devout wedge
have it go kaboom in midair :3
and how?
faint beacon
Yeah after this match I just witnessed I think Zealot chat has a point in I think Veteran should just get fucking obliterated into the core of the earth
Vet stack immediately getting wiped LMAO
grand perch
what are you on about
faint beacon
Hand holdy class builds immediately folding cause they cant play using their brains
red robin
can anyone explain this to me in simple terms?
Places with long bridges are your best friend for this
Lethal proximity and grenade tinkerer will help you too with shredder frags
This was an awful penance before the class update and the bolt pistol
But grenade tinkerer veteran talent and lethal proximity blessing on the bolt pistol are both increases to explosion radius
calm shard
line enemy head up with bottom of default FoV TAP the throw button
blows up in the air about ~20 meters away
devout wedge
throw at thing very far
i see, so has need of a good group?
thanks all for the replies, ill try this out
red robin
So with grenade tinker and lethal proximity being 25% and 25% explosion radius increases
That’s additive to 50%
?
Epicentre is 2m default, grenade tinkerer makes it 2.5m and with that and lethal proximity both becoming 3m?
With max range being 10m, 12.5m with grenade tinkerer? And 15m both with GT and lethal proximity
Sorry abt wording I’m a moron
tropic notch
Yeah after this match I just witnessed I think Zealot chat has a point in I thin...
What were they using?
sharp epoch
line enemy head up with bottom of default FoV **TAP** the throw button
It's easier to just hold the frag and if you look at the throw guide line it fades out when it'll detonate mid air
calm shard
yes because it throws it to a much further distance than if you tap it
which means that if you throw it absurdly far then it would be easier to do it that way
sharp epoch
idk it was one of the easiest penances back in the day thats how I did it
when they had those standing hordes
faint beacon
This has been all of today
every single fucking match
this is my 5th one in a row where im like tripling everyone's total damage and we lose cause I get trappered once and it just immediately folds
orchid hemlock
This has been all of today
What rank?
faint beacon
What rank?
Its literally just Auric events LMAO
faint beacon
I kid you not everytime its ended in a wipe is cause I keep trappered
and then yeah this happens
immediate wipe
and I end up 2-3x outputting everyone's damage
spark cipher
Its literally just Auric events LMAO
damn can I play with you on aurics later?
faint beacon
This has been all of today
misty delta
I kid you not everytime its ended in a wipe is cause I keep trappered
that's so real tho
faint beacon
same match btw
devout wedge
whatever do they mean with secondary? aim or the bash one?
faint beacon
whatever do they mean with secondary? aim or the bash one?
Right mouse
ADS usually
They call it that cause there's also braced weapons
which dont ADS
devout wedge
ADS?
faint beacon
Aim Down Sight
devout wedge
aah. so if plasma is charges. and any weapon adviced?
faint beacon
Use guns with bigger ammo capacity and that are Single fire imo
pathetically easy to get
Vigils, Infantry Las Guns
Revolvers
Bolter if you really want something that hits hard
devout wedge
i see. but i don't know weakspots?
faint beacon
Headshots
again just generalized term
cause there's enemies with Different weakspot locations
Just view it as "Headshots"
devout wedge
this can work on thrash?
faint beacon
Yes
cause it doesn't state you need to kill elites or specials
so you can shoot typical horde chaffe to get it
devout wedge
wow, thanks man.
grand perch
immediate wipe
Siegfried? more like losefried
for real tho my condolences
@quiet valley
im doing well with the las X build but im never top damage against flame psyker and ogryn meatgrinding melee. how do you do it? im guessing im overusing the pistol and could throw more nades or melee
also people just shove ammo in my face and i cant not take it
jaunty herald
how did you cheese this penance? (Kill 2500 enemies while at 10 stacks of Marksman's Focus or more)
Last penance I have to do for vet
grand perch
you go to warrens map where its the infinite enemy spawn at the start, go to the spawndoor down in the kitchen area, crouch down and start farming
jaunty herald
And any of the sub-nodes for marksman's focus I should take
unreal nova
And any of the sub-nodes for marksman's focus I should take
Mercantile btw. Also the crouch stacks one.
Just keep swinging for 45 mins.
devout wedge
Vigils, Infantry Las Guns
does the helbore also good?
unreal nova
https://i.imgur.com/C4E6XUQ.png
Yeah. just keep in mind poxboomers still show up.
And specials might show up from behind.
tame lodge
does the helbore also good?
Are you able to hit heads?
If yes then Surgical+ Hotshot tier 1
You can hit 15 groaners with one shot
grand perch
a fatshark trademark of totally intended mechanics 
red robin
Hotshot tier 1 on the helbore also applies to melee weapon attacks, so free 80% hitmass reduction on headshots
But uhh
Not a lot of weapons make massive use of it
Ermm
It’s noticeable but like
It’s a option for the helbore before it’s fixed
You also gotta deal with the awful ass draw animation that’s 1.25 seconds on the helbore
Which becomes 1 second with one motion
analog hull
Please farshark just let me buy the armor I want without some fuckass rotation
I just want my green cadian armor and the scion helmet and my life is complete
orchid hemlock
Nope 😈
grand perch
Wdym theres an entire shop with ordo docket cosmetics that's not on rotation
spark cipher
also people just shove ammo in my face and i cant not take it <:staregryn:102208...
I will chase you around with an ammo crate and you will be happy
hexed trail
Trying to help my uncle and he likes the weapon
He's new
long hare
Duel sword does look dope
And I like the lil flourish you can do when spamming block
jaunty herald
@unreal nova On the Mercantile mission, which part of the mission should I farm enemies?
at the start, middle, or near the end?
unreal nova
<@229302123391614976> On the Mercantile mission, which part of the mission shoul...
Start, you drop down, blow open the way, climb down the stairs and fight your way into the kitchen. Do NOT blow up the way down to the holdout thing.
Just farm at the door in the kitchen and keep an ear out for specials.
jaunty herald
Aaaaah okay. That area with the first objective
unreal nova
Aaaaah okay. That area with the first objective
Before that.
Actually. XD
You don't wanna drop down to that objective.
jaunty herald
I don't remember seeing a kitchen
unreal nova
Do you want me to take you to the spot and then leave?
jaunty herald
nah it is fine
unreal nova
Cos you'll reuse it for many grindy things anyway.
It's the area after you go down the stairs. Check the room to the right before the second C4 place.
That's the kitchen.
jaunty herald
@unreal nova actually yes please show me and I can start a private team. I have random players joining me even with many more try mod enabled
unreal nova
<@229302123391614976> actually yes please show me and I can start a private team...
Cos those aren't exactly private so quick play MAY dump players in... players who are confused about an old mission being in play.
unreal nova
Anyway, getting on. Just look for a mercantile map when I finally load in.
jaunty herald
yes there is one
unreal nova
And on. just add me.
spark cipher
Cos those aren't exactly private so quick play MAY dump players in... players wh...
like the mission is unplayable?
jaunty herald
@unreal nova I know you are using your mic in-game but I do not hear you and I checked that player mic is enabled for me
quiet valley
<@195524192140132353>
im doing well with the las X build but im never top dama...
Prioritize Maulers with LasX, make sure you are saving nades for big armor packs, dump nades and go poke Crushers, since the shredders should kill anything else
unreal nova
like the mission is unplayable?
Is playable, but ppl will play normally.
tall torrent
What's the havoc meta for dueling sword?
uncanny strike
riposte or thrust
carapace
maniac or unyielding
use Mk IV, dump cleave damage to 60%
orchid hemlock
Where are my agile gangs
unreal nova
Where are my agile gangs <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Hrm? Agile Uncanny best.
Then you spoil yourself.
orchid hemlock
tame lodge
Where are my agile gangs <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
They dodged themselves off the map
unreal nova
They dodged themselves off the map
Only on my Pen dump mk 5.
Totally only for Gloriana.
spark cipher
My own mobility has killed me more than once
imagine having mobility
this post was wrotten by the blaze greatsword gang
unreal nova
<@229302123391614976> https://i.imgur.com/TVs9ux2.jpeg
Ded finger, heh.
I would have mentioned getting the auto light mod, lul.
jaunty herald
unreal nova
Or turbo controller.
unreal nova
imagine having mobility
this post was wrotten by the blaze greatsword gang
You don't take that node that gives you +1 dodge on it?
spark cipher
You don't take that node that gives you +1 dodge on it?
You can get the +1 dodge node but you still have the shortest dodge distance in the game
unreal nova
You can get the +1 dodge node but you still have the shortest dodge distance in ...
Yes, but 1 more dodge is still 1 more dodge. More chances to whoosh off the map.
:3
orchid hemlock
They dodged themselves off the map
A life worth living
vernal trench
unreal nova
I just got off and checked the armory exchance extention and my oggy has a 17% toughness in store... >_>
quick seal
quick question, is the assault chainsword good? I've been told power sword and dueling sword are the best veteran melees.
quick seal
I just got off and checked the armory exchance extention and my oggy has a 17% t...
lucky you
unreal nova
Also, wtf is ratings in that?
tall torrent
quick question, is the assault chainsword good? I've been told power sword and d...
Chainsword is not good enough for current game pacing
U can have fun with it
quick seal
Chainsword is not good enough for current game pacing
Frickkkkk
tall torrent
But it’s statistically beaten out by most melee weapons in most of the important metrics
quick seal
I've seen zealots do good work with the heavy chainsword
the one-handed chainsword is not comprable?
unreal nova
97 rating is 410?
tall torrent
They’re outclassed by relic blades in most metrics as well
quick seal
dang
what are your thoughts on chainaxe? @tall torrent better or worse than the assault chainsword, in comparison. And also I'd like to hear your thoughts on it, in comparison to the meta veteran melees (power sword / dueling sword)
tall torrent
what are your thoughts on chainaxe? <@366562874039992331> better or worse than t...
Chainaxe does different things from chainsword, being much more single target orientated
But they’re not nearly as good as top performers
quick seal
But they’re not nearly as good as top performers
and the top performers are the power sword and dueling sword, currently?
tall torrent
Mainly power sword VI
Duelling sword is not as good as power sword imo
Power sword is just perfectly attuned with veteran talents
quick seal
Ok, I'll try it out. Thanks, thanks for the recommendation. I'll take a look at the VI
Achlys mk VI
tall torrent
Achlys mk VI
hollow ibex
the one-handed chainsword is not comprable?
Sorry but literally all the chain weapons suck atm
orchid hemlock
quick question, is the assault chainsword good? I've been told power sword and d...
on vet it's ok
but yeah it's prob at the bottom of weapons I would bring to havoc
the problem with them is I am not going to wait 3 seconds killing a single elite
spark cipher
the problem with them is I am not going to wait 3 seconds killing a single elite
as a brain burst enjoyer I see no issues with doing this
orchid hemlock
as a brain burst enjoyer I see no issues with doing this <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188...
at least u can do that at 1000 meters
💀
image 20 crushers on you and u are like: "yeah it's REVING TIME"
and then u die
tame lodge
fading yarrow
quick seal
Sorry but literally all the chain weapons suck atm
Does this "continuous hits " thing apply to the chain attack on chain weapons?
tall torrent
Does this "continuous hits " thing apply to the chain attack on chain weapons?
no
chain-weapons' saw-rip attacks don't apply brittleness multiple times with onslaught
neither do pellet weapons' ranged attacks
it wouldn't matter that much in the end because even if it did, ur still too much dmg off from crusher 1 tap with either chainsword, without crit
and chainswords' issues are multitude
no elite group stagger
risky single target dps
safe single target has low dps
nimble bridge
is the power sword charging animation not supposed to block attacks?
unreal nova
"Mild" power creep things basically.
faint beacon
we're now on an 8th loss streak
why is everyone fucking abysmal tonight
I failed a 8 minute clutch cause of a silent trapper
nimble bridge
Only Relic Blade does that
💀
umbral scaffold
Been looking for some optimization to my recon lasgun build. I don’t really have a specific one, I’ve sort of just pieced together some ideas from a few that are a bit old and came out with a good one.
But I would like to know if anyone could recommend one? Just wanting to compare notes and see if I should change things.
random marten
Does vets precision strike perk actually do 30% extra weakspot damage cause I keep hearing that it doesn't?
random marten
How is it done?
austere mica
The 30% extra damage only applies to the extra damage provided by hitting a weakspot
unreal nova
Is just bad.
austere mica
So if you did 10 points normally and 15 on a weakspot you would do 10 + (5x1.3)
unreal nova
As in if you don't run high finesse guns.
random marten
So if you did 10 points normally and 15 on a weakspot you would do 10 + (5x1.3)
Would it be boosted further by the blessing deadly accurate (100% critical weak spot damage)
unreal nova
If you run low finesse guns, you get like what sub 3 extra damage per shot.
austere mica
But both function the same way
tame lodge
Would it be boosted further by the blessing deadly accurate (100% critical weak ...
Stacks additively with related bonuses
So it should add to each other
However, finesse is weird to calculate and I haven't learned it all yet
And depending on FS formula as well
Wait
I remembered something
unreal nova
Wouldn't it be easier to make the gun and live test?
tame lodge
Something something deadly accurate is calculated separately from PS
DA being the only source of one of these
Or something along those lines
There
"The only instance of %CWdmg is from Deadly Accurate (blessing)"
faint beacon
Doodooshit you missed these two important talents
narrow frost
I love looking at random people builds
I see a different world
shocktrooper for Dbarrel
"I NEED IT!"
spark cipher
why is everyone fucking abysmal tonight
ok I'm home now, can I add to your losing streak?
My rightclick has a hair trigger for some reason so even grazing my finger over it causes me to ADS
tame lodge
Ooh ooh me too
I got a crazy stick drift
On my right analog
Damn I love inspecting the ceiling
spark cipher
I got a crazy stick drift
Damn Higui playing darktide on a joycon 🔥
unreal nova
Damn Higui playing darktide on a joycon 🔥
Could be a 2 week old M$ controller.
Last one I had drifted after around 2 weeks of crazy amounts of gaming.
spark cipher
Could be a 2 week old M$ controller.
damn microsoft fell off ngl, my 360 era controller still has no drift, meanwhile anything made after xbox 1 drifts within a few weeks
signal cypress
Shoutout to disassembling 360 controllers just to slap custom covers on em
Still worked like nothin happened
They were that durable
umbral scaffold
So do A lot of people play on console? Is it cross compatible with PC?
dry cloak
@umbral scaffold what do you mean cross compatible? Console playing with pc? Yes. Cross platform proggresion? No
unreal nova
So do A lot of people play on console? Is it cross compatible with PC?
Cross.
unreal nova
damn microsoft fell off ngl, my 360 era controller still has no drift, meanwhile...
More or less. $90 with a use life of less than a month. Such quality, right?
calm shard
I have a PS4 controller that I've been using for PC and PS gaming since the console released
and the only issue it has is the connector is a bit worn down so cables don't stay in it completely firmly
unreal nova
and the only issue it has is the connector is a bit worn down so cables don't st...
I just get third party. Even a budget cheapo in comparison one somehow is better nowadays.
calm shard
yeah enshittification be like that
unreal nova
Then DT decided your Xinput controller in the shape of the switch pro is a PS controller with gyro turned on.
Funni stuff.
deep bone
What blessings should I run on the Catachan Claw Sword
balmy flume
So much melee on havoc 20+
Wait until you reach 30+, where it feels like the AI outright decides to cheat.
unreal nova
Wait until you reach 30+, where it feels like the AI outright decides to cheat.
But they are cheating.
Shooters used to cheat even more.
balmy flume
But they are cheating.
Won’t argue with that!
unreal nova
Aimbots with insanely long shoot strings.
grand perch
what i dont like about current h40 is how much your run can get fucked by random boss spawns
then you retry the mission and it goes off without a hitch just because rng didnt decide to screw you
thin minnow
unreal nova
then you retry the mission and it goes off without a hitch just because rng didn...
Basically new H40 in a nutshell. RNG.
We had 5 bloody karking bosses at the start before the first drop at Vigil.
2 real, 3 weakened.
WTF basically.
balmy flume
We had 5 bloody karking bosses at the start before the first drop at Vigil.
I find the Bridge part to be the most run killing.
unreal nova
I find the Bridge part to be the most run killing.
At the start. We haven't even dropped down to the play area.
5 bosses running us back to start spawn location.
grand perch
I find the Bridge part to be the most run killing.
ascension riser is such an awful map for h40
unreal nova
Oh, it was worse since that start already had bs numbers of chaos oggies. 5 reapers reaming us immediately before boss noises.
balmy flume
ascension riser is such an awful map for h40
Nevermind 40 I have been on severely instances on that for 30 and team gets downed.
Two bosses only spawn at the far end when your team is halfway across the bridge, and then a swarm is guaranteed to back swarm.
Mixed Swarm.
Not plain zombie swarm
grand perch
how much glass cannon do you want?
balmy flume
Also what difficulties you usually play…?
regal smelt
agri infantry auto is pretty funny for marksmen. it has a higher weakspot damage than the rest so if you get enough stacks while also taking basically every damage boost you can start 1 tapping light elites
lost frigate
hellebore swap timer made it uncomfortable for me to play this one
too bad it a gun i love to headshot
executioner stance is so hard to play lol compare to voc
unless u got buddy to protect melee
lost frigate
i played that in a morning
grand perch
you can build agrip vigilant autogun to oneshot everything except bosses and crushers + maulers(which are 2 taps)