veteran-class

[viscid trellis]

just needs 10 marksman stacks, a crit, a modded scope to have a decent sight picture, and a hoard not ontop of you while taking a strangely long time to flip a lever

[calm shard]

it has surgical

a crit is not asking a lot

it 2 shots without the full damage meme

with just Superiority Complex/Bring It Down which most builds run anyways

2000 carapace dps on an infinite ammo gun is pretty great

[viscid trellis]

i guess but a hoards almost always on top of you with the higher diffs. the thing desperately could use a swap speed increase

[grand perch]

bring back the old camoflage skill so enemies dont target you as a helbore passive

enemies see you have a death wish and dont want to oblige, refocussing to teammates. its just logical

[calm shard]

also the helbores hav different iron sights

Mk IV has much better ones

[bold sierra]

Veteran Executioner Stance with Bolter in Havoc 40 🙂

it's really not that bad at all

[calm shard]

deranged behhaviour

also whatever the fuck is going on here

oh and the "I don't know what my ping button is" node

[native ocean]

Jesus figureskating christ

And I'm still on h21 with my gunker

[calm shard]

Like sure you did well with the build but I can assure you the build has nothing to do with your peformance

With it built like that

[bold sierra]

20% dmg at range, 30% extra reload speed for bolter of course, 33% toughness reduction nuff said, one-shotting every single elite makes getting toughness back in the middle node is easy, swap speed is nice, 5% toughness epr kill is jsut also nice.

[calm shard]

do you know how far away an enemy has to be for that to actually be 20%

[bold sierra]

oh I have calculated the breakpoints

[calm shard]

no the distance

they have to be 30 meters away to get the full bonus

and it gives you absolutely nothing anywhere less than 12.5 meters

[bold sierra]

I dont need full bonus lol, just a few % to hit those breakpoints

cuz those few %s matter a lot, especially when u go into stance and you can basically one-shot EVERYTHING

compared to when ur not in stance

[bold sierra]

it's not the most solo-friendly build I'll give you that, but I was basically clearing out every single elite and gunner for my team, and deleting bosses in seconds with stance and bolter mag dump. Obviously it won't beat shout in terms of like CC, but being able to just kill Crushers in 3 shots each is also good.

I got the whole game recorded and everything

so far I've got like 3 games that went very well with this build

You really do need a lot of those toughness replenishment nodes perks tho xD, cuz ur definitely squishy af, got hella high skill ceiling

[calm shard]

I suppose Bolter does also make up for executioners stance's usual weakness of not having a button that can turn around a bad situation

since magdumping a bolter will usually turn around a bad situation real quick

won't work against captains though

[native ocean]

High skill ceiling? On veteran?

[bold sierra]

well of course, but captains are usually a team effort anyway

[bold sierra]

if u play executioner stance in havoc 40 yeah xD

[calm shard]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/517 new based mod just dropped

may smokes live long and prosper

[native ocean]

Awesome, not installing it though

I'll just stand inside the smoke 😎

[calm shard]

exe stance vet in general is very high skill ceiling

[bold sierra]

I also got a game with executioner stance with smokes, it synergizes with it really well lol cuz it tags elites for me and my team through smoke

[calm shard]

not least of which because it actually requires you to have good aim

[native ocean]

Oh ok with that in particular I agree

[calm shard]

you need good aim, very good awareness to not just get stabbed in the ass by 20 poxwalkers, and to be quick about your shooting

[native ocean]

Isn't that subnode insanely counterproductive though, it just lets your teammates steal kills needed to keep eye stance going

[calm shard]

I like helbore with exe stance+MMF quite a lot

absurdly high boss and carapace damage

[bold sierra]

I hope they'll eventually buff executioner stance to at least gives you innate toughness every kill or at least yknow, give you dmg reduction while in stance

[calm shard]

but then a bulwark shows up and I die on the inside a little

[calm shard]

It is counterproductive but not for that reason

Anybody good enough to make use of that information is good enough to know the audio queues that would tell them where enemies are to begin with

Also you can just ping things

[bold sierra]

helbore with exe stance is hella nice on vet, I played it a few times on havoc 40, hell, I honestly think it's way better than plasma in a lot of aspects

[calm shard]

Helbore is better than plasma

But you can't equip it fast without using exe stance

Which makes it worse

[bold sierra]

EH, the equip speed isnt that big of a deal imo

certainly isnt as bad as bolter

and I think bolter's way better than plasma in H40, wish people bring it more

but ig it's all about aim and decision making, I reckon not a lot of people are...comfortable enough to switch things up, even when they're at H40

[calm shard]

most success I've had with exe stance with randoms has been recon las

absolutely tears through gunner and shooter swarms

plus it doesn't take very much to get recon las to do that so I can actually build for melee

[bold sierra]

recon las is nice

I also play a lot of infantry lasgun in Havoc 40 with shout, sadly it doesnt work as well with executioner stance 😦

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb3IIBVR-O4 @calm shard here's the recording of that match if executioner stance + bolter game I had if you're interested xD

[bold sierra]

executioner stance replenishes fast enough already so i dont quite mind, some extra info for team is always nice imo. that is, if you're talking about the team-tag subnode for executioner stance

also, helps with smoke, when i play it

[severe jolt]

Both Exhilarating Takedown and Target Down give you toughness on ranged kills, yet you're not taking either despite having a clear path to both?

[bold sierra]

exhilarating takedown is nice, but I found it to be a bit too...specific and demanding I guess, only ranged headshots is pretty rough in a lot of situations, and ur already pretty squishy so that extra 30% toughness dmg reduction for only 8s doesnt exactly help too much.

Target down is alright, but I think it's a bit of a waste compared to taking Confirmed Kill and Out for blood xD, plus it's not consistent enough

[calm shard]

what do you use on the bolter

oh wait you posted earlier

oopsie

[bold sierra]

yeah xD, I'm not too sure how big of a difference the 10% elite dmg make, but given how close the one-shot breakpoints between non-stance and stance, especially against gunners, it probably is.

might try switching up to carapace or maniac damage, but with bleed + brittle, I doubt it would make any big difference vs Crushers, and it already 1-2 shotting ragers and such anyway so unsure if maniac dmg would make a difference as well

[calm shard]

opted to run it like this since I am personally biased against focus target

[void dragon]

Have people figured the difference in performance of the recon and infantry lasguns? I see the recon being easier to use but what's the actual maximum and averages of both weapons?

[umbral scaffold]

I have no idea which gun is which so i just stick to plasma

[spark cipher]

Recon Spew lasers
Infantry focus lasers

[bold sierra]

infantry lasgun built more for range, with more dmg the further the target is, recon lasgun is the opposite with more dmg the closer target is

[void dragon]

So but how much more damage an ideal always headshot InfLas can do compared to the recon?

[bold sierra]

2 headshots for a gunner usually, sometimes 3

[void dragon]

So the gun is better used as designated anti specialist?

[bold sierra]

imo, yeah, ive played some infantry lasgun in havoc 40 and I'd say it does very well at dealing with mass gunners and reapers at range

ofc, specials too

[severe jolt]

The infantry lasgun is actually the worst one. I tries to do everything so it achieves nothing.
Not mobile like the laspistol
Not high damage like the helbore
Not fast like the recon

[bold sierra]

it's a jack of all trades but I wouldnt say it's the "worst"

from my experience

it can one-shot headshot every enemy up to shotgunners in Havoc 40, I can use it to kill gunners and as anti horde a lot of the times

it also just doesnt burn through ammo like recon lasgun most definitely

[bold sierra]

I am quite curious on how this goes, I actually might try that keystone on bolter later, cuz I've only ever used it wth infantry lasgun and a bit on infantry autogun. I had toggle crouch on and basically went through the entire game dodging while crouched xD

bolter's actually hella easy to headshot with so it might be really nice

[void dragon]

Don't recall bolters having that good finesse, is it worth using that keystone still? I remember that with Infantry Agun it punches holes in most enemies

[bold sierra]

finesse is basically just headshot + crit dmg so yes, if anything it'll at least give you more headshot dmg, and if you wanna go all the way, take suurgical with it I suppose. The extra reload speed from the keystone will be nice tho

tho it might be a bit too much diminishing return xD

[severe jolt]

I will give it to the inf las, they have the best sights

[woven cove]

Also has recoil for some reason.

[odd sparrow]

the finesse multiplier got buffed from 0.5 to 0.75

or 50% to 75%

[void dragon]

yeah, those are LASER guns, why they have RECOIL?!!!

[unreal nova]

Because addon.

[void dragon]

seems that the damage difference between both on ideal always headshot scenario is around 25% in favour of Inf Lasg

[calm shard]

2 shots reapers at my current havoc level which is cool

but um it

can't really carry the randoms I have had in these games

it's certainly better than helbore for disaster scenarios

but like when all 3 teammates die instantly just to melee twin the second they spawn

I dno what to do about that

[void dragon]

man, why the recon lasgun can have AS MUCH damage as the Helbore whith max MMF AND full headshots?

[calm shard]

landing full headshots firing recon full auto is less practical than the helbore

since it's not burst damage

[void dragon]

vs a Pogryn
Recon 31s, Hellbore 32s, ILas 39s

also, the targets will be moving, many of them already on your pants, landing headshots with Helbore is also not as practical

if anything landing them on recon is more feasible

[calm shard]

not landing all of them

[void dragon]

enought to have far more uptime on rapid fire weapons

[severe jolt]

Why don't the frag grenades shoot shrapnel directly into your eyes blinding you for the entire match?

[bold sierra]

yeah well that's more or less a roll of a dice for the most parts, you can kill every single gunner in a game and sometimes your teammates will still die unfortunately, hell that applies to any build imo.

[void dragon]

that's a VERY ill intended position

[severe jolt]

Also fun fact, shrapnel is named after Lieutenant-General Henry Shrapnel, who invented the shrapnel shell.

[bold sierra]

lasguns are obivously not laser lol, they're more or less a kind of plasma or so I think, or at least laser that's so god damn strong that's visible to the eye xD. Think about it, the best laser we have irl right now weighs like...a ton or sth, and it takes a while to burn through sth and costs a lot of energy, if our las weapons can fire some kind of laser that can blow off limbs, it has to be doing sth internally to at least have SOME kick lol

[void dragon]

today i learned

i hate it, but it is what it is

[bold sierra]

also I heard in lore, las guns's shots are so hot that when it leaves the barrel, the superheats the air particles around the barrel which causes some...idk, pressure blow up or sth that can simulate some kind of recoil

[unreal nova]

I mean, I did that headshot in exe stance on recon.

[void dragon]

what would the rest of the other lasguns need to be comparable to the XII Recon? range might be the only thing some of them have, but even there the Helbore has drawbacks with no comparable benefit

[calm shard]

make them do max damage at shot range with falloff at long range

instead of the other way around which is how it works now

[hollow ibex]

reverse damage dropoff is fucking stupid in a game like this

[void dragon]

what about the Helbore? it doesnt have a mechanic like that and needs headshots to be on par with Recon

[bold sierra]

does it need to? I mean, imo, helbore is a way better weapon than the recon lasgun, wayyy better ammo economy, surgical is fucking dope, amazing anti-carapace and anti-elite dmg, the only thing that it isnt so good at is the switch speed and charge up but honestly to me, it's super negligible

surgical >>> the headshot crit blessing anyday

[void dragon]

i have a recon with onslaught that would need no switch of weapon to kill everything

[cerulean ridge]

working on my weapon masteries right now and I can confirm the helbore feels weak compared to... all the other weapons I used so far

[void dragon]

havoc enemies up to 25 included

[bold sierra]

yeah well you see, the fact that you need onslaught is kinda telling yknow

[calm shard]

Helbore one shot bodyshots a lot of things

[bold sierra]

and onslaught kinda does lose its effectiveness in high havoc (30+), Havoc 25 is like Damnation level

[calm shard]

Like even in havoc

[void dragon]

i put it there to go full gun, not because i cant switch to a melee and do the job, which is usually the meta way

also, switch speed privilege: melee weapons

[calm shard]

the three skill point tax to get onslaught is a build killer though

[void dragon]

yeah, why we have so terrible stamina regen?

so many nodes of those

[bold sierra]

the switch speed on helbore is honestly very negligible, plus, helbore actually has a very respectable melee

[void dragon]

its not negligible

[calm shard]

not the Mk IV helbore

that one has a shit melee

[void dragon]

that's not a discusion, its a fact

[calm shard]

and it's the one that has the good gun part

[bold sierra]

I mean it's not bad, but I do enjoy using the green and blue helbores a lot, especially with the rending blessing

I can even use them as horde clear

[bold sierra]

idk what to tell you, I make bolter switch speed work pretty well, and helbore certainly is nowhere near as bad as bolter's.

i guess it all boils down to well, decision making

[void dragon]

bolter has rapid fire and aoe, those 2 traits help on boss killing, emergency greanade all while being precision weapons

[bold sierra]

which is why I do love using the blue and green helbores

[void dragon]

those are still single target tools in a horde shooter

both taking power from the gun part

[tropic notch]

Nothing wrong with single target

[void dragon]

indeed, but i wonder if thats the problem on why frags are so important on vet

i dont think they have many tools vs hordes at all

[calm shard]

the main problem I keep running into playing gun vet in havoc

[void dragon]

frags are their most valuable tool for that

[tropic notch]

Power sword

[calm shard]

is how utterly useless randoms are when it comes to killing captains/twins

[tropic notch]

Rashad

[calm shard]

and gun vets tools are good at killing other bosses but not captains

[hollow ibex]

almost a crazy take bh

tbh

[tropic notch]

Hellbore is a meme atm sadly

[bold sierra]

hey man, when I already finished a few H40 with executioner stance, I think i do deserve to have at least my take validated to a degree xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb3IIBVR-O4

[tropic notch]

[void dragon]

rashad is something that bugs me, whit PS you kill a horde in 27 secs, rash on a focused melee do it on 59

[bold sierra]

just saying, no one gonna believe me without proof

lol

[void dragon]

is good but why is considered so good?

[hollow ibex]

talking abotu helbore

[bold sierra]

i understand

[hollow ibex]

then why link a bolter vid?

[bold sierra]

and helbore with shout is still VERY respectable

[tropic notch]

It’s taking you that long to clear on a Rashad? What da hell

[bold sierra]

even better than anything with executioner stance imo

[hollow ibex]

bolter drawtime is nowhere near as bad as helbore

[cinder stag]

rashad is zealot wep

[hollow ibex]

possible if you can't get BM to proc...

[void dragon]

YEAH! its weird to me

[tropic notch]

Really it’s just an all around good weapon

[void dragon]

ppl say is really good but idk why i feel it weak

[hollow ibex]

were you testign in havoc?

[tropic notch]

Good horde good single target

[void dragon]

yes

[hollow ibex]

oh havoc prob fucks it

because rashad is utterly dependant on BM proccing to not be dogshit

do hordes have more hp in havoc?

idr

[tropic notch]

Have you tried it with weapon Specialist

[void dragon]

OOOH... that makes some sense... sheep

[tame lodge]

[tropic notch]

Yeah havoc ruins it

[bold sierra]

aint no way bruh, Bolter has worse drawtime than Helbores. But your statement is making me doubt myself so I'll go back and test it later, and I have like 3k+ hours in DT

[tropic notch]

Damm that looks like my build except I take a stam node from superiority complex

[tame lodge]

A groaner goes from 300 HP to 405 iirc

A walker from 375 to 500

[calm shard]

they still die to that though

[tame lodge]

500 and something

[calm shard]

combat axe headshots do over 600

since thye can one shot both bruisers

[tame lodge]

Then a 21st Groaner goes to 800+ hp

💀

[calm shard]

yeah 21st is a garbage modifier wb it

[void dragon]

Nurgle blessings doing work

that's some numbers, and then there is the orange

which i assume mess even more the rashad BPoints

on the same note, that 58 test was with revolver, tried something similar with 2b shotgun and it went to 15

not bad horde cleaner weapon ngl

[bold sierra]

i do take unarmored dmg on my rashad so I'm no too worried, not to mention that 5%dmg blessing and BM

it's really not so bad

[void dragon]

at this point im willing to believe you are biased due your skill to not see the weapons shortcomings

[bold sierra]

tho tbh, i dont like rashad because its special attack is weird

the blue combat axe is much more reliable

[void dragon]

what does the special do? i dont recall ever using it. does it stagger more something?

[calm shard]

nothing

[bold sierra]

it staggers, but rashad's special is...slow, and it doesnt stagger as much

the blue combat axe's jab actualyl staggers ragers and has fast animation

[calm shard]

yeah but rashads push attack also staggers ragers

and it has cleave

[hollow ibex]

use the pash attack

[bold sierra]

i mean yeah, but not as good as blue Caxe's push attack I'm pretty sure

it's more blunt-ish i think, and less cleave

[hollow ibex]

they all have roughly the same cleave

[void dragon]

the other Caxes feel even MORE carp

[hollow ibex]

idr which one is the blue caxe

[void dragon]

blue is antax

[bold sierra]

the blue one is the one that has cleave targets stats

[hollow ibex]

same cleave

oh sorry

[void dragon]

1,8 is at 80

[hollow ibex]

roughly the same cleave

idk what the 5.5-9.5 means, prob an estimate?

idk

[bold sierra]

but i dont think rashad's and achlys's push attack deals as much dmg, cuz they hit with the blunt side I think

might have to check again

[hollow ibex]

idk about achlys but rashad PA is basically just to stagger ragers and shit

[bold sierra]

antax's special can stagger crushers I think

i dont think rashad can do that, mayb achlys cant too

tried in simulacrum

[calm shard]

rashads heavy attacks do that

[dreamy scaffold]

heavy spam when

[hollow ibex]

either way i still think PS is king in havoc

[void dragon]

they do not, tested just now

[hollow ibex]

but in auric/am, rashad is prob a bit better

[void dragon]

ragers keep swinging nonstop in spite of taking a heavy attack

[hollow ibex]

idk about havoc, but in auric/AM rashad def staggers crushers out of their combo

[void dragon]

Havoc also mess up stagger values?

[hollow ibex]

i've done it prob over a hundred times

[bold sierra]

it CAN but it's very inconsistent, antax's special basically applies guaranteed stagger

[dreamy scaffold]

ragers care not for whence the pain flows, only that it flows

[hollow ibex]

i'd assume so if all the hp breakpoints are fucked too

[void dragon]

even headshots dont interupt them

[dreamy scaffold]

havoc is the game version of a wrench in the gears

or 2x any property

[bold sierra]

i play a lot of zealot Thunder hammer with Hamerblow and Thrust in H40, so whatever stagger values they got in H40, it dont apply to taht xD

[void dragon]

tried it like 4 times already, Rashad does NOT stop the ragers

and yet, the Psword active does

[dreamy scaffold]

very inconsistent

[void dragon]

what the hay!?

[dreamy scaffold]

doesnt power maul special stagger?

[void dragon]

no stinkyng wonder that weapon is so good

[bold sierra]

it does

[hollow ibex]

ok yeah havoc def fucks up the stagger mechanics

[void dragon]

ogryn's power maul?

[dreamy scaffold]

10k volts

[dreamy scaffold]

vet..:

[void dragon]

the shock maul

[dreamy scaffold]

same diff

we in vet chat

i need some leniency

[void dragon]

shoc needs like 2 ticks for it to stagger

[dreamy scaffold]

so yes

i love maul

[void dragon]

yeah, just dodge good the first swings of those jerks

and then die when the friends join

[bold sierra]

shock maul is honestly pog

im sad not a lot of pople run it

[void dragon]

i kinda like the idea of the parry in the DC but their world just STOPS when crushers or maulers are on the scene, 380 dmg on a crit is not great

[void dragon]

low dodge count, not that remarcable cleave, special is more to 1on1, takes much more time to kill caparace enemies than a folding shovel and doesnt lock you on animation

there is reasons and i dont love them

[hollow ibex]

something about the combos just feel really janky for me

[tame lodge]

Real
It only struggles against monstrosities

[hollow ibex]

tried multiple times, still don't like the smaul

[tame lodge]

[sharp epoch]

its just better on zealot

[void dragon]

rashad and all its jankindes feels better into a horde than the shock maul, it takes a while to kill enemies

[unreal nova]

A folding shovel can one shot? Heck, it 2 shots on my 'nadier build. Even knoife takes like 4-5 hits.

[solar monolith]

mk3 with thrust can iirc

[unreal nova]

This is crushers on damnation.

[void dragon]

didnt said that it oneshots, but in a H40 the shovel can box a pack of crushers for 43 seconds while the Smaul takes a 70s to do the same

[unreal nova]

Yes, but the idea is, you are way underselling the mk3.

[void dragon]

oh probably, im just using averanges that could be used in every scenario, not the outliners

because that would sell the weapon for what it really is

[unreal nova]

Even if you mean the mk 1, that one compensates with bullying anything below a mauler for funni.

[void dragon]

i am using the mk3 shovel btw, the folding mode makes it easy to fight caparace

[unreal nova]

Yes, 2 shots in damnation. Faster pullout than 7.

Run uncanny and lul.

[void dragon]

and it does quite well in H40 compared to Psword

even if its horde clear is nowhere as impresive

[unreal nova]

Is still good.

It's not like it traded everything to break crushers.

[trim badger]

I'm surprised by the lack of knife vets on havoc

I feel no vet runs knife there

[bold sierra]

tbh, sometimes I prefer a simple pullout-and-hit with some weapons, cuz power sword you gotta charge it up to do anything meaningful with it, which can screw you alot, and it having pretty bad mobility and defense stats can be rough if ur not careful

[serene bough]

i use knife almost exclusively on vet

[void dragon]

i use knife vet, but mostly on gun centric builds

[serene bough]

its a great safety stick

[void dragon]

Probably the reason why the weapon is considered balanced in spite of its power, is good but it has drawbacks

[hollow ibex]

def has some major drawbacks lol

[unreal nova]

Cos it's a single target bleed stick there.

You could take Dueling and kill crushers faster.

[spark cipher]

single target bleed stick with city riot levels of mob density

[unreal nova]

Or take one of the actually cleavy weapons for hordes.

[unreal nova]

So, just use dueling sword if you wanna poke things from further away and such.

[dreamy scaffold]

too many enemies for bleed stick? use longer bleed stick

i had a dream i was ogryn using pickaxe

need to stop playing darktide

i have yet to even use the pickaxe

[trim badger]

Le speeeed is awesome tho

[unreal nova]

Naw, longer pokey stick is for crushers.

[trim badger]

also the new knife skin is sexy af

[unreal nova]

I know...

[dreamy scaffold]

my fav mastery skin is the knife

and relic sword lowk

[unreal nova]

Don't remind me... I'm like... I don't have the budget for an $8 knoife but I want...

[dreamy scaffold]

i bought vostroyan vox and was disappointed when it clipped with everything cept vostroyan😔

[trim badger]

I'm so sad there's no skinny premium DS skins

It's all with the fat blade of the MK2

No premium skin resembling MK4

[unreal nova]

I miss when getting 1 skin gets you 2-3 different skins one for every mark.

[hollow ibex]

gotta get on that

pick is so nice

all 3 of them

[dreamy scaffold]

i miss when weapon variants were separate from weapon type

[spark cipher]

When did they stop doing that?

[unreal nova]

I dunno. But an example is like the commisary skins and the Imperial skin.

They look diff when you switch marks.

The newer ones just use the most popular (usually) mark for everything.

See stuff like the force sword mastery skin vs the imperium edition skin.

[shell spire]

Anyone got any fun stealth vet builds for high difficulty content?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

do not take this into havoc though

it's for auric/AM

[calm shard]

if you don't see any talents it's because they're invisible

[bold sierra]

I played this in H40, with this build you basically gain gazillion toughness dmg reduction as well, it's almost like pseudo shout over-toughness xD

[shell spire]

Is there even a havoc viable vet stealth build?

[calm shard]

(stealth is not ran in high difficulty content)

[tropic notch]

Narp

[shell spire]

Okie dokie imma check them 2 out

[tropic notch]

Especially vets stealth

[hollow ibex]

i know there's one guy here that mains stealth in havoc

but he's def the exception

[calm shard]

Viable maybe but it's basically just worse VoC for most purposes

[bold sierra]

aw hell naw man, I'm gonna have to record a camo vet H40 gameplay

cuz that shit's nice

[hollow ibex]

shout at home 😭

[bold sierra]

I single handedly saved like 2-3 H40 fails by rescueing my silly teammates as well lol, you can use the camo as basically a boss killer thing too

stealth abiltiies can be MEGA clutch

[hollow ibex]

no i agree, but toughness infil really is shout at home in many ways

i actually like infil

it's fun, and has great utility

(i also usually run toughness infil)

[sharp epoch]

Stealth really makes it hard on your team, you basically need your team to carry you at least for h40s

[bold sierra]

true lol, that's why I take born leader, cuz getting full toughness back from camo = regain some toughness for team xD

[dreamy scaffold]

you get high enough and its required to run team builds

[bold sierra]

you can use stealth aggressively too

[dreamy scaffold]

its why i hate being stuck on only pubs

[bold sierra]

definitely gotta get yourself to H40 to be able to host your own lobbies xD

[sharp epoch]

Yeah, but you're: aggro dumping onto them, and shout you can use aggressively too, and there's not really a use case except "don't hit me, hit my team"

[dreamy scaffold]

hosting is still pubs..?

i dont have teammates

[dreamy scaffold]

shout is just better too

instant stagger

[bold sierra]

unless final toll, but yknow

[sharp epoch]

I played with a stealth zealot it made shit hard, we only won after he swapped back to book

[spark cipher]

i mean if you use it to revive you can see it as a VOC with 2 charges or a shorter cooldown

[calm shard]

ah uh

stealth has a longer cooldown than VoC

and that's before the double charges

[tall torrent]

u can game red's system by medium/heavy staggering elite enemies before u dmg them below 50% health

red is by far the best mutator they've done in recent history

[sharp epoch]

If it's not encroaching just dumping a lot of aoe damage still works well

[calm shard]

I kinda like all of the new havoc modifiers

[bold sierra]

I played stealth zealot with thunderhammer and basically played it as a kind of fury, shit on every boss

[calm shard]

And then they leave pox gas and moebian 21st there

The worthless fucks

[tall torrent]

red is above the rest imo

[calm shard]

I'm partial to purple myself

[bold sierra]

i'ma be real, Havoc isnt as restricting as people think it is

[tall torrent]

it should honestly be a base game mechanic

[trim badger]

They readded 21st and basically made the game worse

gg

[hollow ibex]

man i hate double charges

[calm shard]

It forces good target priority and interesting strategies or nothing dies

[trim badger]

And apparently they're gonna rotate some of the existing mutators for the previous ones

[hollow ibex]

they should really add a bunch of that shit to the base game

instead of locking it to havoc

[trim badger]

Which SUCKS

[calm shard]

*NO

[tall torrent]

make red baseline game mechanic but activate at 30% health instead of 50%

[calm shard]

I do not want any of old havocs modifiers to return

[trim badger]

Because the last 4 mutators were the best designed ever

[calm shard]

Even the old ones we have now suck ass every time they show up

They're not fun

[trim badger]

If they add fucking goo replacing red I'm ending it all

[dreamy scaffold]

the rage effect?

confusion

[tall torrent]

yea elite rage

by far the best mutator they've done

[dreamy scaffold]

outside of making elites almost unstaggerable i dont feel it does much

[tall torrent]

ur supposed to build for heavy stagger so u can kill them before they recover from stagger

[shell spire]

Does empty on curios mean run whatever you like

[tall torrent]

their stagger immunity doesn't instantly exempt them from pre-applied stagger animation

[trim badger]

"build for heavy stagger"
Brings DS

[tall torrent]

it 2 hits ragers (op) so works well enough

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[trim badger]

In h40 it doesn't 2 hit them unless thrust I think

[dreamy scaffold]

i feel lesser when people use these codenames

[tall torrent]

if they nerf it to 3 hit vs elites then it's much better balanced for red

[tall torrent]

1600+ on flak & maniac weakspot

is 2 hit

[shell spire]

Gotta do some testing if it works better with ability cooldowns or the usual stuff

[trim badger]

I'm NOT running +maniac on havoc

Wraaaaaaa

[tall torrent]

without maniac

with maniac it's 2k+

how come the DS user knows less abt DS than a non-DS user

[trim badger]

Cuz I'm goated with the sauce and just stab things and they die

:)

[hollow ibex]

personally i don't run with cdr curios, but it's really up to you

[shell spire]

What you got on?

Currently trying out the usual 2 toughness 1 stamina and toughness and tough regen

And block

[hollow ibex]

uh 3x dockets, 3x sprint eff (mandatory), and then something like 1x gunner/1x sniper/1x toughness

[trim badger]

• CDR
• Toughness
• Stam regeneration

Apply this to all 3 curios lol

[hollow ibex]

i usually do either 2x hp/ 1x toughness, or 2x tough/1x hp

[trim badger]

If you're feeling exquisite change 1 stam regen for a block efficiency

[shell spire]

Okie dokie I'll give em a shot

[hollow ibex]

sprint eff > stam regen on vet

[tall torrent]

nah

stam regen on vet has caveats attached

[trim badger]

Still better than many other options tbh

[tall torrent]

not better than sprint efficiency in majority of cases

[trim badger]

I love slide spamming

[tall torrent]

1s base stam regen delay makes stam regen rate nowhere as good as it sounds

[tall torrent]

yea sprint efficiency helps with that unironically

u can sprint slide like 150m+ without running out of stamina

for low stam weapons with high block profile, extra stam is better than sprint efficiency

at the cost of less health/toughness

[spark cipher]

what block profiles?

don't think I've ever seen any

[tall torrent]

diff melee weapons have diff stamina cost for blocking atks

for example

power sword (both) have x100% in 120 degrees front, x200% in 240 degrees back

tac axe (all) have x50% in 120 degrees front, x75% in 240 degrees back

so a mauler sweep which deals 4 stamina damage

will cost 4 stamina to block with power sword

but only 2 with tac axe

[spark cipher]

I didn't even know blocking was 360 degrees until I parried an attack from behind

[tall torrent]

assuming u block from front

[tall torrent]

most weapons use this "standard" block profile

[spark cipher]

also are overheads completely unblockable or just have a massive stamina drain?

[tall torrent]

unblockable

crusher overhead
mauler overhead
plague ogryn overhead
plague ogryn stomp
beast of nurgle slam & tail whip
scab captain (crusher) overhead
scab captain (sword) charged sweep
admonition champion overhead

chaos spawn's overhead is blockable

plague ogryn's uppercut is blockable but costs 10 stamina so u will almost always be guardbroken if u block it

[shell spire]

Alright build seems nice now I just gotta learn to play combat knife

I think dueling sword made me aoft

Soft

[tall torrent]

that's quite normal

[calm shard]

It is afaik

[spark cipher]

DC still parries them?

or no?

[calm shard]

Sorry it is unblockable

not blockable

[tall torrent]

parry can block all unblockable attacks

[tall torrent]

yea just checked

[tall torrent]

oh also
bulwark shield bash

technically also unblockable

[cinder token]

for some reason, i've started to hate psykers

[hollow ibex]

don't need a reason to hate freaks

[cinder token]

there're so many braindead ones. idk if it's a coincidence or the class encourages their idiocy

[calm shard]

that attack is so fucking stupid

stuns you for a million years, nearly undodgable, eats all your stamina

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's fucking annoying

[tame lodge]

Unblockable as in it eats all your stamina?

[tall torrent]

guardbreaks if hit, applies all dmg as normal

[red robin]

god

i wish the devils claw had fun parry blessings

like the relic blades perfect block blessings or shock mauls stun on perfect block

[calm shard]

all these gimmicky block blessings on weapons that have no reason to block

but the one with an actual honest to god parry doesn't get any

[red robin]

so true

heard you like impact

xd

[hollow ibex]

b-but they got buffed!

[red robin]

vicious slice, trauma, hammerblow, thunderstrike

[faint beacon]

Bulwark shield bash you kinda have to approach with if their shield gets hit at all immediately back dodge cause they’re most likely going to retaliatory bash you

[calm shard]

fatshark I need you to understand

that I have only ever blocked attacks in this game as an accident while trying to do a push attack

[tall torrent]

relic blade's +atk speed on perfect block blessing is pretty cool

[calm shard]

and of those times it has almost always gotten me killed

[hollow ibex]

honestly i feel like block should just not take stamina against non-elites

or the first block every X seconds should not take stamina against basic hordes

[tall torrent]

buff curio block efficiency to 20% each

and I will actually run that over CDR

[void dragon]

Honestly, why Vet has so bad stamina regen? I would expect him to have a decent one but it just makes using block to wait for dodges quite dangerous game

[tall torrent]

normal guy + carries a lot of stuff around + wears more armor than other 2 human archetypes

that's supposedly their justification?

[red robin]

what would 20% x 3 be multipucatively?

[calm shard]

The literal carapace plated knight that is Zealot

[void dragon]

Then we should not only have more ammo by default, we should have bigger guns

[red robin]

im bad at math

[tall torrent]

zealot has no carapace armor sets

only vet has 1 carapace armor set

and it's the kasrkin armor

[calm shard]

well it'd sure be fuckin' nice if vet had carapace armor durability

feel no pain keystone for veteran

[void dragon]

They don't?! I knew they were fanatics, but not crazy

[tall torrent]

u have >power armor durability by pressing F

[tame lodge]

Simply faith is your shield

[tall torrent]

space marines go down in 2 longlas shots (SM2)
vet can tank a longlas shot no problem (DT)

[void dragon]

Power armour for zealot when?

[calm shard]

tbf those SM2 marines that die in 2 longlas shots are severely lacking in plot armor compared to Titus

[tall torrent]

1 = x80% block cost
2 = x64% block cost
3 = x51.2% block cost

[tall torrent]

pretty sure titus squad still gets fked by longlas shots in campaign if u get hit

[red robin]

ty

[red robin]

how does this math out with a 0.50x block cost weap like tac axe?

[tall torrent]

currently it's
1 = x88% block cost
2 = x77.44% block cost
3 = x68.15% block cost

[tall torrent]

times 0.5

so 40% / 32% / 25.6%

[warm idol]

I mean the ogryn enforcer helm kinda looks like a primaris helm

[warm idol]

honestly I wish the bottom left keystone was based around damage reduction and staying in the fight while blasting enemies in exe stance

[wraith locust]

What’s the role of vet in havoc rn? Shout off cd, shoot specialists with plasma/bolter, and bring survivalist?

What are some of the best melees

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[faint beacon]

Power Sword

Dueling Sword actually gets countered by rampaging and tolls now

[wraith locust]

Oh fr? Did they change ps recently

I haven’t played since season 1

[tame lodge]

Ammo dispenser

[tame lodge]

What's season 1 specifically

Like the time span

[wraith locust]

Like 3-4 months ago

[tame lodge]

Do you mean season 1 havoc

[wraith locust]

When havoc first came out

[tame lodge]

Season 1 darktide

[spark cipher]

"3d print my ammo or pick a better class"

Guy who leaves havoc immediately if the vet doesn't have survivalist

[tame lodge]

Oh season 1 havoc

[wraith locust]

I just did 40 and took a break

[tame lodge]

Basically they recently made so activated weapons don't lose their active state when you get hit

[wraith locust]

Ohhhhhhhh

Wait that’s rlly nice

[tame lodge]

When it works yeah

Still have some rare woopsies

[wraith locust]

I see

Is it really still better than ds tho?

I’m surprised by that

Just bc of the low dodges and dodge range

[tame lodge]

Well current havoc wants you to kill things fast

Psword does it best

At the cost of poor dodges

[void dragon]

Something like "Hold the line" to be rewarded when standing still for a while with extra damage and defense?

[austere mica]

That would be worse

[tame lodge]

People yearn for sentry vet

[void dragon]

I get the fantasy of the cadians holding a position for the emperor but it's probably not the best option for this game, and is talking someone that made good use of MMF stand still for stack

[wraith locust]

Makes sense

[void dragon]

"Hold the land in the name of the Emperor of mankind"
Is a classic fantasy

[tame lodge]

Can't beat agitators voice lines

"I declare this ground as holy, drive them back"

[void dragon]

I mean, would you say he is wrong?

[faint beacon]

Left side tree should honestly reward precision via weak spots imo

[void dragon]

But the how is the real question, making the hit boxes bigger? Making repeated shot deal an extra % damage? Maybe the current iteration isn't that bad but kills keep the stacks for a shorter duration?

[red robin]

I would love if the left side of the tree rewarded elites and specialist takedowns

[faint beacon]

MMF should simply reward hitting Weakspots instead of decaying from moving for example

[gilded wraith]

Has anyone found a weapon/blessing combo that makes Serrated Blade a good pick? Trying to figure out something with high targets per swing, fast swings, and blessings that benefit bleed.

[red robin]

Like maybe 5% dmg for 8 seconds for every specialist/elites killed in succession stacking 5 times

[faint beacon]

If you miss

You drop 1 stack

So it encourages to hit heads

[austere mica]

Serrated's only practical use is Mercy Killer right now

[faint beacon]

Trust me the buff from 1 to 2 really helped it out

Trust me

[red robin]

Rewards the semi auto sniping weapons over the rapid fire guns too

[hollow ibex]

hey it's pretty good on lacerate knife

[faint beacon]

Yes and no

[red robin]

As how it is now rewards rapid fire

[sharp epoch]

I was thinking a sunder PS3 build haven't tried it yet, would work on super dense havoc hordes

[hollow ibex]

just take uncanny/lacerate

[faint beacon]

Trigger discipline

[austere mica]

only 3-4 attacks to a reasonable amount of damage, yippee!!!!!

[faint beacon]

It rewards trigger discipline

Aka firing when you know it’s actually time to shoot or not

[red robin]

Ye ye

If I could only have that in mind when playing hunt showdown

I see someone, I panic, I shoot, my element of surprise gone

[void dragon]

But when you hit body does it decay?

[red robin]

It should

But ngl hit registration kinda ass

[faint beacon]

I think it should but personally you could give a grace period

[dry cloak]

i agree with that marksman focus should reward weapons like vigil autos helbores and ifantry lasguns more than full auto weapons

[mortal horizon]

reddit is so funny, 1 guy a few weeks ago said '69 thermal/71 charge plasma was disproven' and i keep hearing people now say that over and over despite it being untrue and 69/71 still being the best.

[austere mica]

I mean

They are Technically Correct™️

Its 68 and 72

[faint beacon]

Like if you manage to land a headshot it won’t decay let’s say for-

2 seconds

[mortal horizon]

isnt it like 68.x and you need 69 to be safe?

[dry cloak]

we have that right now and its 3 secs iirc

kill is 6

[mortal horizon]

maybe 69 was just 'close enough'

[austere mica]

yes

[void dragon]

But they are on the side of weapons that should be automatic guns, the branch isn't about precision fire as much as trooper gunners

[red robin]

Man it’s wild too

Mmf says finesse strength

[faint beacon]

So it will also buff auto weapons

[red robin]

But it’s coded as dmg

[dry cloak]

lets be real vigil autos and helbores are the ,,precision.. weapons of this game

[red robin]

In the same way finesse is applied to only weakspot and crit dmg

[faint beacon]

Yes but I’m saying if you hit a Weakspot it grants 2 seconds on this new version where it doesn’t decay from moving but rather missing weakspots

[dry cloak]

ah

[faint beacon]

So it’s actively encouraging you to keep hitting heads without being extremely punishing

Even though I would love for you to get dunked on for not hitting heads

We have to consider new players

[void dragon]

And yet that benefits stuff like Inf Agun and recon

[mortal horizon]

like i keep seeing these comments and i just think its false right? you still want 69 thermal for 8 shots, and the rest might as well be dumped into charge

[hollow ibex]

i believe path over some rando on reddit

[mortal horizon]

same

[void dragon]

Wise

[mortal horizon]

and this is what ive been going by, and when ive tested (few weeks ago) it was correct

but i keep seeing people on reddit say this

like at least a dozen comments over the last week or two about plasma

[void dragon]

Redditors are dumber than ogryn

[mortal horizon]

why do they think it was 'fixed' is my question

some piece of misinformatin they all got and are now spreading i guess lmao

[pseudo fiber]

There's some moronic thing going on there and they hate you saying why it's actually 69/71

[tame lodge]

DRG texture

[formal ice]

"Sir the Beast of Nurgle exploded on my face"

[fading yarrow]

I love it when a Bulwark and bruiser pack spawns directly on top of my head when I'm almost done reviving a teammate

[faint wedge]

but surely the rest of your team came to assist you wiahahahahaha sorry i couldnt finish

[jagged canyon]

What mark should i use with this weapon build (Sniper build)

[uncut pebble]

This is on reddit? That's funny.

[dreamy spade]

How can crushers 1 shot instadeath if I have more than 1 wound of health

?

[woven cove]

Got full veteran squad.

[narrow frost]

havoc overkill

[dreamy spade]

Is it not a glitch? It just downs, and pretty much never instakills like it did just now

[narrow frost]

intended

[dreamy spade]

It's only happened to me like twice, and ive been hit by a lot of crusher overheads

[hollow ibex]

perhaps i understimated vigiliants

granted this is all headshots against a plogryn

so a very optimistic scenario lol

[umbral scaffold]

Braced autogun blessings ?

[hollow ibex]

not many options

[hearty panther]

Ceaseless Barrage is pretty good, I fuck with it on the BAGs

[hollow ibex]

ig might as well, brauto blessings need to be looked at

[hearty panther]

I see it as a pretty easy replacement for Fire Frenzy

[hollow ibex]

yeah fair

[umbral scaffold]

ty

[hearty panther]

For those unaware. 2.5% mag per stack when your gun is less than 100 rounds a magazine means it's one stack per bullet. It's damn near free.

[umbral scaffold]

I was thinking about CB

[hearty panther]

It doesn't work on all enemy types (Only groaners and ranged enemies, excluding shotgunners) but the stats are kinda too good

[orchid hemlock]

Ah a CB enjoyer

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0a3f5e-1fd1-4eb4-85ac-996f01651ac7/brace-for-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[woven cove]

I think I was the only one using a melee weapon.

The rest just shot recon lasguns everywhere.

[formal ice]

"They said that guns were more effective, so we decided to skip melee class"

[spark cipher]

New veteran keystone
"Skip melee class"

Replace your melee with another gun

[woven cove]

Helbore, for the stabby.

[formal ice]

Slayer Bardin if he was a range class

[spark cipher]

kinda surprised we haven't gotten a slayer bardin in darktide yet

[woven cove]

One guy was spamming voice of command and I'm pretty sure the other two were using executioner stance.

I was the infiltrate enjoyer with smoke grenades.

Had a sniper run in and try to melee me because of my smoke grenade.

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[umbral scaffold]

Must be the janitor : "Hey no smokin here boy!"

[woven cove]

Getting grenade tinkerer for smokes was a good tip.

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder how 4 vets with smoke run would look like😂

[hollow ibex]

what it'd look like?

[umbral scaffold]

I like smoke and light effect in this game

[hollow ibex]

i doubt you'd do much looking

[umbral scaffold]

😄

"Are we going the right direction?"

[narrow frost]

did it in a 3-veg

was fun

[umbral scaffold]

nice

[narrow frost]

relay station if I remember correctly

[fading yarrow]

All of my annoyances toward FatShark leave my body when I play an Assassination mission

[woven cove]

Someone shoots a daemonhost and dies, and a chaos spawn appears at the same fucking time.

Great.

[cunning haven]

hey lads, i haven't played darktide in a while. did the helbore bayonet speed get nerfed? it feels very slow now compared to before

[mortal horizon]

and not just once. multiple in this one thread claiming this, and ive seen it before over the last 2 weeks or so in other threads. There seems to be a good chunk of people on reddit who think it was "debunked" and 69/71 is incorrect and they keep spreading it lol

[eager bolt]

You're the last person to post here, so I figured I'd reply. This issue is driving me absolutely insane—connection and latency problems in the game have never been this bad, and I've been playing since the beta. It's especially problematic when someone leaves or joins, but random latency spikes occur every game regardless, even on US servers. I've tried nearly everything on my end to fix it.
Enemies skip attack animations, hits don’t register, and rubber-banding is rampant. This is the only multiplayer game that gives me such a headache, and it’s all been magnified in the past two months or so. It has completely killed my desire to play more than one game at a time. I contacted support, but they seem clueless—apparently, this issue used to happen in Vermintide 2 when users had VR headsets connected, which I don’t.
At this point, I think I'll just wait to play regularly until they fix it. Even then, I don’t expect the problems to disappear entirely, but any progress would be greatly appreciated. This has been terrible not only for me but also for other random PC players I've teamed up with.

[hollow ibex]

helbore too op

[cunning haven]

i just got a weird reload where the dude struggled to put the mag in the helbore 😅

[cunning haven]

wait so they did nerf the speed 😦

[hollow ibex]

i just remember bayo being nerfed again in the last major patch

[cunning haven]

damn

[hollow ibex]

maybe so that talents don't impact the attack speed

idr

[cunning haven]

it feels very sticky i dunno

[hollow ibex]

ngl i just gave up on the bayo entirely

[tame lodge]

They added a 0.1 delay

[cunning haven]

like when i hit a target the gun hangs and it is less spammy

[hollow ibex]

beacuse of the helbores, i only use mk iv

and that thing doesn't have a bayonet

[cunning haven]

damn, i thought i was getting old but i can detect a 0.1 delay 😂

after not playing for a long time too

i think i found a secret reload for the helbore. no idea how to trigger it. can i post a clip somewhere?

[fading yarrow]

My blood is on fire

[cunning haven]

😭

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, reddit is an echo-chamber-cesspool of incorrect information. Not surprising that they think 69/71 isn't the best roll.

At least if someone is wrong here then they can be corrected. Reddit just downvotes the correct information until it gets removed.

[cunning haven]

why do i live in this reality where my helbore is 0.1 second slower? the horror... the pain... i refuse this form of existance. it hurts my very soul

[uncut pebble]

Happens all the time, I try to remain correct but I misremember things alot due to scrambled egg brain, then someone reminds me, "hey frog, you're wrong and dumb," and I think "hey maybe I am."

[hearty panther]

It's closer to 160ms slower, which yeah, super sucks.

[fading yarrow]

Auric Damnation Maelstrom, Chasm Station Terminus, Specialist Waves and Monstrous Specialists, joined in progress on the data interrogator segment to almost a full bar of corruption and a revivable teammate next to me. I had maybe 15 hp

Picked off a bunch of trappers and flamers while getting the interrogator, then all three of my teammates died in the start of the next segment leaning up to the train station with one leaving, and at this point I was down to 2 hp against a horde and, a Spawn and Burgle

I just kept lobbing grenades, shouting and kiting after I managed to put the side passage between myself and the tide of death, then slide spammed my way to the central medicae to avoid snipers

I healed and thankfully there were no guards, but the Monstrosities had caught up to me at low health from the dps I did while running, with the Spawn nabbing me and throwing me away after only a brief gobble, at which point an Ogryn joined and distracted the Monstrosities long enough for me to nuke them and the now-funneled horde with nades. I rescued the captured two who stayed and we went on to clear

I am PUMPED

[cunning haven]

i will go sulk in space marines 2 while i consider playing recon lasgun 😅

recon lasgun looks cool but im gonna miss having bayonet and unlimited ammo

[hearty panther]

I wonder how many people even Helbore meme'd before the nerf. Like it was probaly a double digit number of people in the entire playerbase or something, right?

I think it was somewhat goofy that you could reasonably run through an entire mission with just your Helbore out, but it's not like it was easy

I know I impressed a lot of people clutching with nothing but a Helbore and a shovel to push.

[cunning haven]

i mean to be fair the bayonet was pretty powerful if used correctly but very niche melee cuz you can't block or crowd control. that and it's attached to the helbore which doesn't really fit the horde type gameplay. i just really liked playing the guardsman who can keep shooting and staby stab without being useless to the team 😅

[hearty panther]

Yeah it was a cool vibe. Wish they gave it a cleave boost at least.

[cunning haven]

i actually got pretty decent with it. it is impossible to play on maelstrom. i just tried a regular damnation game and it was very painful

yeah, maybe they couldve made it do more damage or something but it is horrible even against a small group of hungry peasants

[woven cove]

Got the penance for using all ammo with 90% hit rate and got kicked back into the main menu during extraction, lol.

Did get it tho, mission successful.

[hearty panther]

I think I cleared either slightly above or slightly below Havoc 30 with a pure Helbore.

[cunning haven]

damn, i wish i could do that

[hearty panther]

I don't recommend it lmao

It was mostly frustrating as fuck.

This was before the new Havoc changes.

70+% of my output was probably just shredder grenades and VoC.

[cunning haven]

ping becomes a big problem for me tho. at damnation i have to spam my ability 5 or so times for it to activate. the bayonet spam would actually save me with the bad internet 😅

but Havoc 30 with helbore sounds very inspiring. i hope they buff it otherwise ill never be able to do that

[cunning haven]

ill probably never do this penance cuz i hate running out of ammo 🙂

[woven cove]

I collected ammo along the way, I just made sure to not get too much and use up all of it during the final bit of the mission.

[cunning haven]

what gun did you use?

[woven cove]

Double Barrel.

[hearty panther]

i also did it with the dubbarrel

by accident, actually

so its probably the best choice

[woven cove]

Covered a reaper in smoke and he literally just stood still and watched me chop his head off.

[faint wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-merguez-cap-flocarla-hotbox-gif-15092225

[wraith locust]

for PS in havoc do you still run elites + maniac

[carmine wasp]

Important question

Does headshot damage count as crit

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Body

Weakspot

Critical

Critical Weakspot

[carmine wasp]

Thank fuck

I got stun locked

Building a bleed knife

Any good bleed builds

[tame lodge]

I personally don't run bleed knife

But there's Riposte Flesh Tearer
Uncanny Strike Flesh Tearer

[carmine wasp]

True

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Strike Mercy Killer with the serrated blade talent

[carmine wasp]

Dodge crit bleed

Ooh

I have a lvl 23 veteran I just started using knife

And I like bleed

But it doesn't stuck well

On bulwarka

[faint beacon]

Uncanny's rending effects bleed making it scale against armored enemies (Unyeild, Cara, Flak, and Maniac)

So you typically run Uncanny + A bleed blessing if you're doing a bleed knife

or Mercy Killer if you're pathing through Serrated Blade talent

[carmine wasp]

Ok so I use the bleed from talent and build of damage from perks

[faint beacon]

This is probably the most general lay out for a Mercy Killer + Uncanny with Serrated Blade build

I'd honestly pick up agile engagement cause its right there and its going to further boost your damage

[carmine wasp]

Ok I finished smoking I'm gonna fuck around a bit

[tall torrent]

carapace + elite

[fading yarrow]

Just had the most cursed Comms-Plex run

So much went wrong and three people left

Unhinged team cohesion throughout

Also
Tfw Zealot buzzes off to other side of first data interrogator room during Specialist wave

Tfw he goes straight to their spawn when tons of Snipers, Gunners and Shotgunners are up

Tfw he immediately gets trapped and downed

Tfw he shit-talks US for not going to save him when we're pinned down and barely holding on

[unreal nova]

Is a classic Zealot.

[fading yarrow]

[unreal nova]

The good ones just kill everything ahead or on the side... the bad ones, heh.

The average ones would be near you anyway.

[umbral scaffold]

I apologize, Melk. I was unaware of your game.

Been shit talking this guy for three days and I finally find it

[uncut pebble]

(defences is the proper dump btw)

[umbral scaffold]

Compared to the one I've been using, this thing is amazing. I'm still leveling.

Besides, that seems to be a split decision among the community. I'd like to have both, for testing to see which one I like.

[uncut pebble]

It's not really a split decision.

Mobility is better than defences on every weapon where both stats are present.

[umbral scaffold]

META is boring and for a game based on repetition, simply not fun for the end user.

Other people seem to enjoy dump stats being in different spots. Wasn't aware that the community was monolithic, though. Thanks for the input.

[signal cypress]

It isn't really monolithic, the meta nerds are just vocal as fucking shit here tbh

[hollow ibex]

bro

trying to play a precision ranged weapon with a team of only ogryns

is so fucking painful

[faint beacon]

let me guess, try to hit head but cant cause every fucking enemy is being tossed around

[hollow ibex]

that implies i can actually see the enemy with three fat fucks in front of me

i'm going back to taking camo for MMF

the 15 stacks is actually so trash

[faint beacon]

Camo is on Demand Stacks for standing still

its why I always run it even when playing aggressive with Tunnel Vision

[hollow ibex]

LRA is just never up enough

esp when the melee starts

[hollow ibex]

i feel like it's basically mandatory with MMF

[faint beacon]

Behold stacks rapidly decaying instead of 1 per every 3+ seconds

Camo is genuinely the only way to make it feel not completely fucking miserable

[hollow ibex]

yeah

i've heard arguments that 15 stacks can be built quickly

[faint beacon]

its why even after the bandage fixes everyone avoids the keystone like a plague

[hollow ibex]

i am unconvinced

[faint beacon]

It can with

guns that have high ammo pools

[hollow ibex]

well the problem is

half the time you're going to be in a mixed melee/ranged situation

[faint beacon]

Infantry Auto Guns to be exact

[hollow ibex]

you don't really have the luxury of just sitting there and picking up stacks

[faint beacon]

are like the only ones I can genuinely think of benefiting from LRA

[hollow ibex]

when you're getting mobbed by bruisers

[faint beacon]

literally everything else benefits from Camo

[hollow ibex]

i haven't really tried MMF much with IAG

[faint beacon]

They're finesse based so you'll notice

[hollow ibex]

i think i'd rather still stick with camo, so i'm penalized (less) for playing the fucking game

[faint beacon]

Besides I've gotten so hyper aware to my surroundings when playing Vigils I can get away with standing still in a horde to take pot shots with stacking MMF stacks

[uncut pebble]

Are you really gonna pull the "meta" card on objectively correct information? Dump stats are dump stats for a reason, it's because they have the least effect out of all the other stats on the weapon, and them being dumped doesn't change the performance in 99% of cases. Every weapon that has both mob and def dumps def, every time.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/grogu-gif-19583983

[faint beacon]

2k hours be damned my boy has done nothing but dump time into a lukewarm burst rifle

[uncut pebble]

If you wanna get butthurt because you got baited into buying an improper dump stat chaxe from Melk, go ahead, but that isn't gonna change the fact that defences is the dump stat on chaxe.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-adhd-the-more-you-adhd-audhd-add-gif-1101152267835397008

[faint beacon]

Not really, just in sync with the gun

[hollow ibex]

god damn it i thought there was a mod that made ogryns transparent

or translucent

[faint beacon]

that and its not a fucking sniper zoom variant

[hollow ibex]

but i can't find it now

[faint beacon]

The real benefit to the Agri 9 Vigil

[hollow ibex]

i was playing with graia and it's just such an ass experience

[faint beacon]

Agri 9 has normal ADS zoom

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[faint beacon]

V3 and C7 has increased zoom

[hollow ibex]

i think columnus has less zoom than graia

idr

[faint beacon]

why im always using A9

[hollow ibex]

felt a lot better than graia's fucking telescope

[faint beacon]

I can play insanely aggressive with it and still sharpshoot

[hollow ibex]

esp with ES

zoom on top of zoom

[frank basin]

mod that remove zoom on activate es

if that exist

[quiet valley]

Agri IX slaps

[hollow ibex]

there's a mod that allows you to reduce fov

for ads

but i was too lazy to configure it

[quiet valley]

H40 Agri IX

Its pretty ammo efficient

[hollow ibex]

yeah agri is super ammo efficient

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/416?tab=posts

never again will i have an ogry block all my shots because i can't see shit

[umbral scaffold]

All I said was thank you for the input.

Please take your sch izo meds and continue to mald while I have fun without your approval.

[quiet valley]

What happened 💀

[austere mica]

How could schizophrenia even be remotely related to this

[uncut pebble]

Some gremlins saying I'm a "meta elitist" because I stated that chaxe's dump is defences lol.

[quiet valley]

Both of the stats are whatever imo, you arent gonna feel the difference between Mobility or Defense dump

[faint beacon]

You ran Estance or VOC on that run? I've just never bothered seeing I play Very high havoc once in a blue moon and was genuinely curious if Agri IX was passable on High havoc

[quiet valley]

VoC, Exec stance will have you be a smear on the wall lol

[faint beacon]

Keystone?

[quiet valley]

I want Exec stance to get ranged toughness reduction it would make it so nice for Havoc

[faint beacon]

Cause im wondering if MMF helps boost it up in Havoc or if its generally not worth it with how well fucking crazy it gets with Elite spam

[quiet valley]

dont need it for most breakpoints, I went Focus Target Deadshot

[faint beacon]

I was sitting here thinking like, huh why Deadshot and it clicked to me its mainly for Sway Reduction the crit is just a bonus with the usual blessing combos you run on Vigils

I'll have to give it a try sometime once I pick up High Havoc more frequently again

[quiet valley]

Its pretty good, def give it a try

[serene bough]

I feel VoC and FT are the most useful for havoc

Especially considering the density of elites and emphasis on boss damage

[vale ledge]

Rate the veteran fit

[pallid jetty]

vostroyan comissar

[junior grail]

That Shovel th9

[pallid jetty]

kinda cool, doesnt fit darktide

[junior grail]

Brighttide

[vale ledge]

I put it on my 'Alternative Inspiration' class ">

[pallid jetty]

whatever that means

[vale ledge]

(Spamming shout and marking enemies while keeping everyone alive generally)

[pallid jetty]

i hope its not cadian

[vale ledge]

(Moreso focused on granting EVERYONE near me better survivability)

[vale ledge]

Loose cannon lmao

[pallid jetty]

thank god

i wish we had cool rags

and not just regiment stuff

[uncut pebble]

If you want "cool rags" then go look at 80% of the slop that's released to zealout.

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10805019896119349/0493C464E06CC035DDC9854C1316A97CE8F223C4/

gotta love spawn camping doggy waves with ES

entire wave just fucking disintegrated

[calm shard]

@bold sierra executioners stance bolter is very fun

[frozen meadow]

Is there a clear tierlist for current weapons for vet, melee and ranged?

[bold sierra]

hell yeah

[narrow frost]

I don't think there ever will be a "clear" tier list. But Path has made a good one in the pinned guide

It's only for non havoc though

And a bit outdated

Most of it still holds though

[fair notch]

best hellbore blessings ?

[dry cloak]

Surgical weight of fire for mk4 and mk3

For mk5 surgical and hotshot/armour bane

[manic badger]

Kind of disappointed in the double barrel

if it's gonna have that short of range it should go even harder with the damage

[dry cloak]

all human shotguns are rather lackluster

compared to other weapons

i find DB rather fun

[uncut pebble]

You must be using it wrong.

[dry cloak]

it has rather short range

but using is like doom supershotgun is fun

[woven cove]

It has a nice sprint speed increase.

So you can run up to something and annihilate it.

[placid portal]

Wait shotguns increase sprint speed?

[dry cloak]

nah

just good mobility stat thats it

[manic badger]

I went into the psykanium and tested it’s damage, then compared it’s one shot breakpoints to the kickback which is the only weapon that’s remotely similar in design

It’s damage falloff is so insane, if it’s going to fall of like that if you barrel stuff a reaper and unload both barrels it should one shot the reaper. Both barrels won’t even kill a mutant without a crit headshot.

Just seems they should have leaned into the extreme short range but extreme damage aspect a bit more

[calm shard]

monocular

[pulsar kindle]

Hello can anyone give me a tip for the Penance: Make Every Shot Count i try to do it but i do not get it

[pseudo fiber]

Don't bring survivalist (obviously)
Shotguns are your friend

[pulsar kindle]

Okay

i gonna try shotguns instead of Revolver 😄

[woven cove]

The double barrel does.

The dodge distance isn't very high tho.

[woven cove]

Use the double barrel, even if you only graze an enemy it still counts as a hit.

Also less chances of missing since you'll be shooting it at short range.

[umbral scaffold]

you need gold shovel (joking) I think hair color blends to much with
collar

[umbral scaffold]

it still on my to do list for vet I'm like missing 4 penaces

maybe today

[fading yarrow]

If you get put into a match with a Survivalist Vet, expend your reserves as normal, then swap to your melee and don't swap back to the gun for the duration of the match

You'll accumulate ammo from your teammate's Survivalist, but it won't affect your Penance as long as you don't swap to your gun

[umbral scaffold]

Nice gun wonder how it looks

[serene bough]

Morrow has that special big iron

[woven cove]

80 mobility double barrel gives +0.6 sprint speed.

80 mobility combat shotgun gives +0.27 sprint speed.

[pulsar kindle]

Got it thanks for the Help

[pulsar kindle]

Thx made 1 mission and got it

[pulsar kindle]

I have done them all now

[umbral scaffold]

nice

[pulsar kindle]

Killshot Ready and Be Methodical was both pretty annoying

[unreal nova]

Crabwalk sim?

[pseudo fiber]

Good shit

[faint beacon]

Tbf vet has some but it’s buried underneath the other copy and paste slop

[red robin]

I don’t like the gold lining sets

It’s kinda too much

[woven cove]

Psyker nearly ruins the mission when he runs off far ahead on his own while we're fighting a chaos spawn, and then at the end of the mission forces us all to wait like 5 minutes while he is fighting the end horde for fun.

Decided to take a devil's claw with me and it actually saved the run cause I just parried the chaos spawn to death when it trapped me in a corner.

Everyone else was dead.

[red robin]

Damn

Love the devils claw

What do you run on it?

Rampage and Shred?

[woven cove]

I don't normally use them, so it's not maxed and I don't really know what to use on it.

Just took stuff that would help with hordes.

[red robin]

True

It’s a fun weapon

Not optimal

But I just like the defensive option to gore ragers

[woven cove]

It also saved me when a horde pinned me with 3 maulers and the overhead I parried cleared a path to get out.

[red robin]

The riposte attack block duration going from 0.2 to 0.5 quite solid

You can block and riposte a horde of ragers with no chip damage

[woven cove]

Pressing a button and watching a rager kill itself is fun.

[red robin]

I honestly just wish the blessings on it rewarded parries

Counterattack wouldn’t be bad on it

12% attack speed for 5 seconds on perfect block ain’t bad ngl

[woven cove]

Idk why it doesn't have any "special action" blessings.

[red robin]

Old weapon design

[woven cove]

Like, idk, give me guaranteed crits on parry or smth.

[red robin]

Would love it had a finesse steroid on perfect block/parry

[woven cove]

Precognition but for parry.

[red robin]

Or perfect parry gives 100% crit on riposte attack with 60% finesse damage lingering for 5 seconds

A man could dream

As the finesse multiplier on the claw makes cleave dmg better

So shred and rampage are solid blessings for the claw

I recently found out that rampage gives strength

Even tho it’s listed as dmg in the tooltip

Coded as strength buff so it’s just free dmg, cleave, impact

[calm shard]

it's old

old weapons operated on the idea that there should be 2 or 3 obviously good blessings